Motorcycle Riders - Your Throttle Grip is Wrong
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
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Sore wrists? Many motorcyclists will be faster and more comfortable holding their throttle like an ice cream cone.
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“Free custom engraving!” That is the best thing I’ve heard in a long time!
Who needs to spend money and time on rally tear decals when the kind asphalt will do it for free and in an instant lmao
there is chance to engrave some metal band logo on it!
😂 priceless
Another "free" thing to be avoided due to unspecified attendant costs... it's something like socialism...
Better than "spontaneous acrobatic dismount"?
Props to Ryan for always giving us good quality content.
AND ice cream! 😂
Nigga went to a supermarket to record a 15s clip hahaha
Good? It's GRRRRRRREEEEEEEAT!
I read that as food quality content lol.
Amen to that. I found this channel about 2 months ago. I didn't think I was going to like it. But, it's one of my favorites now. I have years of experience. But, listening to other's perspective always helps.
As a 50-year-old motorcyclist, I have to admit that every time you get me out of my comfort point, I think: no, it can't be. But pondering better, yes, I think you're right, again.
I'm a 45 year old biker, I think I do this somewhat, but not to the extent that he shows on here. Guess what i'm going to do next time I go out and play? 😛
and i was thinking i am too old at 28 to get a sports bike and cruise around
@@everengaged9370spine is 50yo, but the heart is 20 ;)
But at what cost? RIP Ice Cream.
But how long have you been riding? The age is not relevant otherwise, unless you are assuming older people are less likely to change their ways.
That's how I've always gripped my throttle, but you've taught me to eat and enjoy ice-cream cones for the first time in my life.
That's just your oral fixation, sitdown
One aspect, among many, that sets F9 apart is the quality of the writing. Always to the point, always entertaining, always informative. Beautifully done, fellas!
Tried this today after watching last night. Four hour ride. No lost circulation, no arthritis in my wrists flaring up and a more relaxed riding experience. I was aware of dropping the elbow but the ice cream cone grip made a significant difference. Thank you kindly
Traveled to 35 countries on my bike and have 15 years of motorcycle experience with more than 100k kilometers and I still learn a lot from this channel?
Thanks guys for this great work 👍
yawn
And humble enough to continue to try learning and not immediately feel you are right and they are wrong. You’re a good person!
Why are you asking us?
Well this is race bike stuff.
I dont know about you but I have never traveled to another country and have been on motorcycles for a long time. Tell me, when in your years of experience have you turned the throtle like seen on the vid taking a corner???
Nailed it - clever and understandable method to explain motorcycle dynamics and proper techniques👍
I just finished my 5th ice cream cone.....I thought I'd be able to use this practice and go for a ride, but I can't move and my brain is frozen.
Every video you guys make is cinema quality, full of perfectly timed tasteful humor and you always do your research. I get a good laugh, and a good bit of knowledge every time. You're easily one the best motorcycle channels there are, right next to motojistu for me.
Totally agree! I follow both as well!
I’ve been riding motorcycles for 56 years, and this is the first time I’ve heard of this. Never too late to improve your technique - thank you for a useful, potentially life-saving tip.
Was just going to type same!!
agreed! i am a similar vintage, and actually wasnt going to watch this episode. Then i realised who made it.
I think you did heat about it, actually. Just, not explained like this. You did hear something like: "don't grip hard, just hold the handles gently, relaxed". That relaxed grip will make sure your hands move naturally when you change the position. It is normal, you probably were doing the ice-cream grip when hitting the curves without thinking about it.
That’s cus it’s trash lol done 4 views . This grip is not comfortable unless it’s a sport bike
I've also heard it referred to as the "screw driver" grip.
More of a twisting motion then a straight up and down rotation.
It apparently helps with preventing the dreaded hand numbing.
just use the C grip and roll the throttle between thumb and fingers if that happens. after a while you dont get numb any more
That's a symptomatic change for a structural problem. I.e. fix your rider/bike ergonomics. Look up e.g. Dave Moss's ergonomic bike setup videos.
The ice cream grip.
But not as tasty.
Let's not be drinking and riding.
Watching this channel for a few months has convinced me that i need to get my motorcycle license.
Do it! You won't regret it. It's a great hobby / lifestyle!
Do it. I got my Class A license this past week. Now i just need a bike.
I long ago took a course. It was not only fun, but it gave me the confidence to ride with minimal terror when first starting out.
Everybody would benefit from a motorcycle license.
@@realgenjutsu8181 I have my A2 licence and ride a 2015 Honda CB500. I can't recommend this bike enough, or any old CB500 for that matter. Apart from the sound, (parallel twin) it's literally faultless
2 months after this was shot, I came alongside Burrard dry dock having sailed through the arctic! I love all your filming locations, thanks for making our whole country your studio. Also love love the care that goes into the script, so witty it gives the videos infinite rewatchability.
I loved the Wizard of Oz reference at the end.
Many good quips / puns in every episode!
Adding this to the list of things enduro has taught me. The elbows out screwdriver/ice cream grip may not be comfy for long miles, but when you wanna be a fast-boi, the control and feel and unbeatable.
As always Ryan, on point 🤙
I just got my license this week, and in Brazil, they teach you everything wrong on how to ride a motorcycle. Your videos are helping me a lot
Good luck, and enjoy! Watch all this content and stay safe friend!
Watch out for two dudes on a moto……
Congrats on the license! And I agree, these videos are great!
Yep. I got my license 5 years ago, just renovated it and don't even know how to ride a motorcycle. Last time I did it was for the test, after that just cars, now I want to by a bike but don't even know how I'll take it out of the the dealership
You gonna be the best rider in Brazil.
Elbows up is a habit from riding dirt bikes my entire life. I’ve noticed I subconsciously changed my had positions and body posture depending on the situation. “Ice cream” grip is one of them and I actually do it more often than I think. Watching videos like this help me understand why I do what I do, or what I do that’s just a bad habit. It’s been a few decades since I last took a rider course. I think everyone should they’re helpful even for the experienced.
I'm remembering my MSF course a few years ago. I took it as a refresher after some years off bikes. Elbows were up slightly, and there was a lot of talk about neutral hand position so you can work controls but reduce chance of whiskey throttling. The bike I was on took a lot of twist to WOT, so I ended up with elbows down by knees for a bit.
Пузико, слишком много мороженого 😂
I ride a dirtbike on the road, so my elbows are up in the corners.
@@savage22bolt32 totally understandable. Lol I have caught myself on the street and trying to stick my foot down. That’s a whole nother topic on why we do that on dirt. It’s weird that it’s something I would do subconsciously.
My first street bikes were 70s and 80s dirt bikes with plates. Hodaka 100, xl500, dt400. All before I was 10-15yo. Idk why I didn’t buy a DRZ400 or something similar in my 20s-30s. Same reason I never owned a crotch rocket I guess. I’d do stupid crap I shouldn’t with it. Like ride wheelies up and down the road. I’ve ridden may of family members and never really did that but it wasn’t mine. I’m 41 now. I have 3 younger kids. I only get to ride a few times a year cause we’re always busy. I need a dirt bike with a plate more than ever so it gets ridden more often. I really want a 690KTM.
@@chriswilliams9069 im 68. Brought up on Bultacos, OSSAs, Yammys, & SuzyQ's. And my brother had an Ace 100 Hodaka!
Last year I bought a CRF250L, Guzzi V7 & an OSSA Plonker. For my age & riding style, they're just about perfect!
Interesting thing I noticed. Most instructional/educational videos end on a summary of everything discussed. This one nearly did the same. Ryan just cut it off with a joke, and left us hanging. That's a level of trust that the audience is intelligent enough not to need the summary to actually grasp the information put forth in the video that's rarely seen in UA-cam content. Mad props for the risk and for the respect you guys give to the audience, with a simple decision to end a line early. Really cool stuff.
Agreed. It also helps that the vid is so concise; if you take 45 minutes explaining the shape of the ice cream cone and the driver's dinner plans, the viewer probably does need a summary by the end.
Thanks for pointing that out. That was indeed nice.
After getting my BS in mechanical engineering from UA-cam and ignoring my on track instructors and watching thousands of instructional motorcycle vids on UA-cam in order to get to the advanced group, I appreciate a joke at the end instead of a normal review.
@@nsant You got a degree on UA-cam?
A review generally helps with retention of information. Has nothing to do with being smart.
I've always heard it described as screwdriver vs baseball bat grip. One definitely has more control over a screwdriver. But yes, same idea. I did appreciate the explanation of the separation of feedback into three degrees of freedom - that was well done.
I had to adjust my grip because it was hurting my thumb joint quite a bit. Angled grip, as this video discusses, helped me some and also had the benefits you mention. Chris Birch has some great videos on riding adventure bikes where he also recommends the same angled grip for better control, even for off-road riding.
I've been riding for 40+ years, today I've learnt something new. I often learn new stuff on this channel. Thank you and, well explained. Going for a ride to train myself in this new method now.
Same here! Though whats the point. I only commute casually on the highway anyway...
@@arthoer The point is that you have the information to make a choice to make your riding experience arguably better.
Hopefully you don’t need the front brake in a hurry!
If you front brake when leaning, well something was already rong before leaning ;)
seen this subject so many times, but NEVER in as way that sticks to the mind like this. Amazing a presentation as always!
I can't even believe how much effort is put into these videos despite some of them being as short as they are. No matter how big of a video you always deliver an incredibly high quality viewing experience that I can't even fathom.
This, countersteering and opposite leaning are things I use all the time on the road. Far more responsive, accurate and quicker, tighter steering. Great videos Ryan.
Leaning the bike while staying upright has greatly improved by confidence while riding
Been riding sport bikes for 15 years. In the last year, my mid corner throttle was far less than smooth which is a major problem on a 1441cc torque monster. This video fixed that!
As someone else points out below, the "best grip" depends on the type of bike mainly, then the style of riding. On my Harley I can only think of ice cream grips after I put the bike on the stand and looked for an ice cream parlor. On my Ducati, the shape of the bar invites to adopt the ice cream grip in turns. On my GS, it is a bit in between but more leaning towards the Harley due to the large bar.
Useful video anyway
So if you ride a harley in the rain, you still have to keep it as straight as possible, meaning you wanna lean off, meaning this applies. So, no not really.
@@jeanpaulmeyer5772 it totally depends on the shape, height and angle of the bars. Try that with ape hangers. 😆
Next you'll try and tell me I should use this grip riding my CRF1100 in the dirt as well as my CR500. 🙄
@@AzTurboMini it's more important to be light on the bars then what the grip looks like.
I would agree - most of these motorcycle skills videos are only considering one type of riding on one type of bike, doesn't take into consideration or acknowledge that many of these things are situational. A lot of cases I get the sense only think about being on a track on a sport or race bike, don't consider the realities of street riding, or maybe some perfect Southern California roads with zero traffic. Like always talking about outside-inside-outside not considering that the middle of the lane in a curve is where gravel tends to collect in my experience, or saying to look through a curve as far as possible when it is often necessary to dodge potholes and man hole covers you don't want to hit leaned over. Or for that matter talking about the importance of fine throttle finesse when the proper technique on my GZ250 is to twist it all the way and pray (by which I mean mutter "shitshitshitshitshit") as traffic gets big in the mirrors. I see this with a lot of channels (cough Motojitsu cough), I think FortNine is better about acknowledging different circumstances and scenarios, but I don't think their skills videos are all that good - they're more done for entertainment, putting jokes and sometimes cinematography ahead of actual good, much less complete, information. Still fun and entertaining though, worth watching with a grain of salt. Their more investigative videos (telling the story of various motorcycles, helmet standards, why Harleys suck and why people still like them anyway, and so on) are amazing though.
@@AzTurboMini You can have serious discussion about handlebars or talk about ape hangers.
0:12 ...that fall and landing! 😂 - don't ever change man, love your show.
Your ability to break down complex scientific principles coupled with the comedic segues is what keeps us coming back. Always interesting. 👍
This video is comic genius with science for punctuation! Great job! I’m a motorcycling virgin and I’m doing all of the research I can while slowly saving and while having no one in my waking life that knows or cares about my bikes.. meanwhile, I’m already addicted and have only driven quads and moped! It’s all that’s been on my mind since the decade long relationship I was in has ended. A few months of saving and I’m not even close to getting something yet but at least I have quality videos like yours to pass the time and learn as much as I can before I get out there.. thanks a lot and keep it up.
Hi virgin nice to meet ya
Ice cream cone grip is for short technical distances, Flintstones grip for longer distances it relaxes your muscles in hands
Ryan got me cryin'! You are brilliantly informative and absolutely hilarious! This world needs you now more than ever.
Thank you
Suddenly I am in the mood for an ice cream cone to celebrate yet another improvement to my riding skills. Thanks Ryan, thanks F9 crew!
Nice as always BUT: what about the one(or two) finger on the front brake? On the Street , i think it is a must , and in this position its hard to keep Your finger on the lever
I agree, I always do that if I don't have clear visibility or there are pedestrians, parked cars or a lot of traffic. It really drastically increases how fast you can brake, the reaction time is basically zero, i once drove whilst tired and was surprised by a car suddenly coming to a stop unexpectedly but since my fingers already were on the brake, I was braking before my consciousness had even caught on to the situation.
I am riding on the road over 60 years ( Had Nortons , Ariel Square Four , Triton and Egli Vincent ) and today I learnt something new , Thank You
The content delivery on this channel is second to none!! Thank you for all you do for the world of motorcycling.
This grip is one of the first things my instructor taught me 11 years ago when I was starting out. I was really surprised how many people don't know about this. The instructor never brought up the ice cream analogy, however, it is spot on!
" ... sending your bike for free custom engraving." That about just killed me.
It literally could 😅
Man I love the knowledge I gain from Ryan’s videos and the editing and his humor top notch
It’s really interesting to see and think about this, because it’s similar to something we teach people who learn how to row competitive boats. The “regular” grip can lead to injuries when rowing fast and hard, so we teach the ice cream grip to lessen the impact on the wrist and keep control over the oar.
So, I have found your channel like three days ago. You hooked me up, and I watched most of your videos. I just want to thank you for all of the effort, skills, knowledge and work you guys are putting in every of those movies. Supreme quality. Hats off! Respect, props, etc etc. Seriously, thx,
These are some of the best videos on YT, no joke. Thanks for continuing to put out solid, clever, helpful content.
I love your silly, writing and how you use it to help us understand motorbikes better. Keep up the good work!!!!
Ice creams are not silly
@@jsprite123 indeed. Ice creams r srs bsns.
@@adam346 Serious vanilla beans indeed.
I think the ice cream grip also lessens hand numbing
Correctly setup your bike/rider ergonomics. Look up Dave Moss's ergonomic bike setup videos to actually solve the underlying problems causing numbness.
@@_johnm thanks!
I honestly have never had this issue since I started riding because I watched your videos in prep and learned to cover my levers 😉
Puts your hand in the natural position
Thank you! I'm a new rider, the ice cream cone grip immediately improved my throttle control and comfort!
I'm a professionally trained traffic motorcycle rider. This tip on icecream grip is imho only meant for track riding, and track riding only. You must make that very clear when you post such content on internet. Have you ever seen a professional trained motorcycle trafic rider like policeofficers hang beside the bike? This professionals know what they do, because there life depends on it.
In normal traffic motorcycle riding, you never use any racetrack techniques, it's way to dangerous.
GERT Z; I could not agree more! The riders I see today riding way too fast for the street and getting themselves in trouble in corners do not need another thing to think about while looking for a spot to crash. This type of learned skill is as useful on the street as knee dragging! Dangerous info to be feeding the young inexperienced riders that are out there today. They get their endorsement and think they are young Kenny Roberts as it is and buy a bike that is way too much for them to be learning the fine aspects of motorcycle handling. I'll stick to the grip I have used for 150,000 miles over 20+ years of riding, many of those miles on canyon roads in Southern California.
@@seniorrider9337 thanks, there is a tendency to try to integrate track techniques into everyday traffic riding. I strongly disagree on that. It gives way less control especially in canyon road situations, when you counterlean you have 50% more insight in corners and you see apex 50% sooner.
@@gertz1281 I primarily use lean into corner when I want to reduce the lean angle of the bike or to tighten my turn when a corner tightens and I don't feel safe increasing the lean angle of the bike. There are a few windy roads that have more than 180 degree turns with obstructed vision so you can often pass the apex without knowing it or the road changes lateral pitch during the turn.
@@SurmaSampo the thing is that you MUST be able to stop within your line of sight, and choose your speed accordingly. Especially in windy road situations with obstructed view. You never know what is behind the corner. When you hang beside the bike and drives race lines, you obviously reduce your insight in a corner dramatically. When you then choose your speed according to be able to stop in your line of sight, you are quicker when walking that corner.
@@gertz1281 That is great advice if I am the only person on the road. If I have a angry bloke in a LandCruiser up my arse because I am doing 20kph under the speed limit then that is more dangerous than assuming the road ahead is clear.
There is a far higher risk of road rage idiots forcing me to go flying off the mountain than there is of an unknown blockage ahead. Blind corners are everywhere and often just because the view is obstructed by traffic. Do you slow down to half the speed limit to go over a crest or every obscured bend because that would make any form of driving impractical?
I don't knee slide or even hang beside the bike. I just go from tall to laid on the tank with my head in line with the inside mirror. I am no racer boy and don't corner a blinding speeds but I am still moving my weight low and inside compared to cantilever when called for.
No offence but the approach you suggest for visible distance would make just my regular commute on a straight motorway basically impossible. There is .ore to collision risk management than brakes and sight lines.
Also every motorcycle rider in Australia who got their licence since the 90's is professionally trained to ride in traffic.
I guess this also depends on the type of bike, as the ‘ice cream’ grip is quite difficult to use on cruisers and some large upright adventure bikes. I predominantly use a sports tourer and find the ice cream grip feedback essential and better for cornering on twisties, but on motorways I find the more relaxed hand grip better for long straight rides, once again great content fortnine!
For me... I guess this is predominantly for the knee sliding "ignore speed limits" riders or race track enthusiasts - most riders won't need or gain anything from this "modification".
Basics like counter steer (pushing on the grip in the direction you want to travel/turn) far more beneficial to the everyday rider (who doesn't wear metal plated knee sliders etc)
My opinion ^^
I heard that the trick is to slowly switch to the ice cream grip the more you turn the handlebars, it’ll gradually turn into muscle memory and will become smoother over time!
@@philhunt9297 read my reply to the guy above, it helps for stability in tight corners and also REALLY helps when doing a VERY SLOW u-turn so u don’t hit your hand on the tank if (unless you got long cruiser bars) or lock the throttle in place.
@@OmNi08 Never had those issues. Counter steer will help on tight corners and good clutch control will eliminate smacking your hand on the tank if you've got idiotically long handlebars. Fort9 only covered (insinuated with the clips and emphasis) on getting good steady control on fast cornering hence my comment regarding metal knee sliders/speeders and race track enthusiasts - I've got nothing against the aforementioned so long as they're on a race track.
Bro, he's talking about leaning. Demonstrating riders who are riding fast in the video. Not cruiser on the highway.
Love this channel. Got my first bike a few months ago (N400) and I've described this to people as 5-10 minute Top Gear clips with bikes.
As my carpel tunnel numbness gets worse I find it more difficult to maintain the "ice cream grip" ,when this occurs it definitely slows my pace
Hope you've got your surgery booked!! No more numbness.
That's Beautiful!
Explains why the naturally positioned "Ice Cream Hold" on Triumph SpeedMaster 2018+ stock beach bars feel soooo RIGHT... So suited for Aggressive Cruising
Takes me back to the time of my first forays on the track, when 'A Twist of the Wrist' (written by Dylan's father, Keith) was essential reading for wannabe racers.
I still think ‘A Twist of the Wrist’ is essential reading/viewing
When I took the California Superbike School (at the Ridge) the whole drop the elbows thing and even rest them on the tank was absolutely game-changing. That one single change completely changed how I rode, it was incredible.
I love the dropping to earth like a comet (screaming enhances the affect), BUT landing like a lunar module - Soft!! Excellent video as always. Thanks for the how NOT to hold my throttle grip - but how to hold my ice cream cone with my most sensitive grip. I will use that at my local Dairy Queen...
Very informative not at all boring . F9 is the first most interesting educational content creators on the tube
Great content creator. Always great videos. Ryan’s witty banter is entertaining and intelligent. Kudos to you sir. 🎉
Someone get this guy an icecream
Edit: Hi Ryan, I would really love a scientific video on clutch/break finger grip
And why would you want a grip that breaks your finger?
Please!!!
I use my 1st 2 fingers
you want a video on a clutch breaking fingers?
Brake….not break.
Check out this link.
ua-cam.com/play/OLAK5uy_nujJLU-nXq87IURoPwYdZcN2c88QM4sGY.html
As someone who has just recently passed their CBT and has a motorcycle on order, this channel has both simultaneously been the most entertaining, and educational out of anything I've ever watched! The sheer quality that goes into these is nuts!
Braap braap, what are you getting?
@@sexycowman Yamaha MT-125
This might also help when you're trying to navigate your streetbike down these post-apocalyptic paths they laughingly called "paved roads" in Tulsa. The constant bumps can get transferred to the throttle.
I hate driving through Tulsa.
@@gabrielmclaughlin7669 Everybody does. Especially if they're from Tulsa.
This is where off road skills are useful. I've seen it often suggested that all motorcyclists should learn off-road skills to become a better rider, but it's also good to have those techniques for some so-called "roads" you might encounter. Same as how I think all pilots should learn to fly gliders, both because it will make them better pilots as well as the fact that any airplane can become a glider.
I honestly don't know why your not more famous! your videos are just the best period!
I was recently searching this question and couldn't find a good quality answers. Ryan is always coming in with the goods.
Thank you Ryan, thank you editing team, thanks to everyone who puts effort into these videos. You all are legends! #icecreamemoji
This dude is the jeremy Clarkson of motorcycle riding! Great to watch! Keep it up! 👏👏
Jeremy Clarkson minus the inflated ego.
jeremy clarkson, don't insult the lad
Clarkson is the man. No one is even close.
And cue the CLARRRKSONNNNNNN!!!!!! Hate...
@@sugarnads Yeah never met the easily offended soyboys near a bike in real life, but in the comments on this channel they seem to exist. AI-bots?
The shopping cart analogy was beautiful!
And the intro was great too!
Always enjoy your videos!
The ending gave me flashbacks from when I was a young man...bravo.
I have been looking for someone who speaks my type of humor and memery. Subscribed.
I've been applying the ice cream grip my whole life and I was always criticised for doing it. Thans for the support.
Disclaimer: "Several ice cream cones were harmed during the making of this film"
They would have admitted it, but they were waffling.
Long time back I have watched naska video he explained this throttle limits beautifully
I saw that one too.
Thank you. As a new rider it's great watching your content to help me adjust grip, understand those pigeon eyed drivers etc!
Love that more people are bringing this to attention, just one of the little things that makes a big difference.
Makes sense for aggressive turning ..I’ve seen some UA-camrs take this to exaggerated extremes and asked em why …and only got “it’s hard to explain “ as a response …which to me meant they saw a pro doing it and just figured “if they’re doing it ,then it has to be right so I’ll push the idea as far as possible without knowing why” …literally saw one UA-cam guy with the bar end pointed into his palm ,making his fingers grab the bar basically parallel to it. it looked ridiculous and nowhere near helpful at all so I just wrote it off…now I see what he was trying to emulate and the right way to incorporate it into my riding . Thanks
I clicked as soon as I saw the notification
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Cool story bro
Always do. Never disappoints.
How many takes to get that ice cream drop right? (: One thing I'd like to see added is the finesse of rolling hard onto the throttle from a trail brake situation. I never seem to get that one right.
I think UA-cam sponsored his ice-cream.
That would be great. BTW - I watch AVweb too - great channel!
Cool to see My second favourite UA-cam channel commenting on my favourite UA-cam channel. (Sorry AVweb)
You don’t roll hard onto the throttle during trail braking. Do it slowly mid corner and let the brake go at the end and then open the throttle. Trail braking only needs one finger, use the fun finger for that.
So cool to see AVweb here :)
I'm not a pro rider and it's interesting to see that every time i watch a video like this i figure out i was already doing it without even noticing. Is awesome how our body adapts in better ways on it's own after some time
Yeah, I specifically changed it to the "ice-cream" grip as my throttle wrist was paining during right leans, especially on straight bars. Glad to know this is actually how it should be and not a workaround.
These videos are just a pleasure to watch, I don’t ride anymore but been here since early days 👍🏼
I love fort nine. Ryan’s videos are always my favorites.
Like others mentioned, this only applies to sport bikes. When you're on the tank of an Aprilia RS V4, there's no other way to effectively hold the bars but the ice cream cone grip because your head is basically above the instrument board - that's how tiny the bike is.
When you're on a Versys 650 however, the situation is completely different and there's enough space on the bars that there's no risk of ever twisting the throttle mid-turn unless you want to, even if you're elbow-dragging.
Also, this works best with free-turning sport bike throttles. Not so much on my 4 carburetor cb750f lol. Takes way more torque to open it up.
Watching Mike on Bikes' video about this subject made me very conscious about how to hold the throttle and ever since, I've become a much more advanced rider. I strongly recommend everyone adapting this technique.
Mike is great too.
Depending on the design of your bars, if you just drop your hands on the bars, you’re probably doing a partial screwdriver grip.
I do not use an extreme screwdriver grip as is recommended by race school instructor Dylan Code because I don’t ride a sport bike, I don’t have clip ons, I’m not leaning on the tank, I’m not tall and I’m not trying to ride like Rossi.
But for use mere mortals, it can be handy at full lock or in bumpy sections. Pay attention to your ability to control the clutch and throttle. Use what works for you or even better, what works best for what you’re dong at the moment.
It's the last bit that is most important for EVERY rider, not just racers on sportsbikes: The Screwdriver Grip will naturally stop any movement of the bike (bumps, braking, tar snakes) to be transferred into your throttle hand.
I just had a customer over 60, who's been riding for over 30 years tell me, that he nearly crashed his GS on a straight road because he hit a bump in the road and because of the impact, he pulled the throttle wide open. Wouldn't have happened with a screwdriver grip
@@SgtRaptor I really don't understand how this happens regardless of grip. I have hit ruts, bumps, potholes and all sorts of other road defects. Every time I come home I have to ride over the 45 degree angles kerb and never has any of this caused me to twist the throttle. Is your friend aware that they should be maintaining their plane in relation to the bike when dealing with these forces and not using the handlebars to hold any of their body weight except their arms? Even if you brace against the bars to handle the force you are pushing against the bars and keeping your forearms in the same relative position to the bike as your body jots forward other wise you are actively vaulting over the top of the bars as a pivot point.
Yeah, I just don't get it.
Yeah pretty irrelevant for anyone not on a sports bike or commuter.
Amazing,.
I've been doing it all wrong since 1974, over one million miles in the saddle, including a good few laps of the Isle of Man TT course, some falls, no broken bones and still riding at 67.
You learn something every day!
I really need to show appreciation every time i come back to enjoy the same great videos. Learning every day, thanks guys!
I'd like to use this, but I'm one who likes to cover the brake with 1 finger at all times. And I find that impossible to do with this sort of grip
I'm pretty new to bikes, but I've watched 100s of videos on rider skills. How is this the first time I'm hearing this? Thanks!
Because it’s nonsense! Watch some of his other videos, sure doesn’t practice what he preaches!
This grip is only really (practically at least) useful on the Racetrack/if you drive like a racer, if you drive somewhat normally you won't really benefit much from it.
Though either way you shoudn't be gripping the bars hard either way, relaxed grip+ arms is the way to go.
I think I'm going to need to watch this video a few more times to get it all to sink in. 😵💫
thanks for the great video as always
Watch this again while you’re eating something sweet. That might help. 👌🏼
I don't have a ride right now, but every time I watch one of your videos I increase my riding knowledge base a little more. Great content.
I came to this channel as a reomendation from Chaos Causes to learn about chain cleaner.....but I found gold!!!!!!! Already watched all your videos and I cant wait for you to release some new ones.... regards from 🇨🇴 Colombia
I cannot accurately count how many times I have twisted a throttle and yet I have just learned something today. Just goes to show I cannot know it all.
To be fair, even someone who has ridden a motorcycle once couldn't accurately count how many times they had twisted a throttle.
Your channel makes me feel really special haha. I think I'm a born rider because most of your advice on bike riding is something I've been doing naturally after 3 years of riding, been riding for 10 years now, making my own bikes for the past 4 :) love your channel.
Glad to see that others mentioned trail braking… it seems to me that the ice cream grip could be used as a lead-up to learning how to combine throttle and brake.
Before folks either turn off or get defensive at the mention of trail braking (‘who needs it?’ ‘It’s too hard to learn’), it’s not just for racers, it’s for safety in corners, and it’s for everyone!
Use it all the time.
I'm a touch confused. because throttle and brake should never be combined. are you implying that trailbraking is braking while still on the throttle? if so you are mistaken as to what trail braking is
@@michaelhunter2309 The brake on the throttle is for the front, not the rear... so trailbraking is not the issue.
Front brake and added throttle is useful in some off-road, loose-crap, cornering situations.
I appreciate the civil conversation! Combining brakes and throttle is taught by the likes of Bret Tkacs- search his name along with ‘trail braking’ to see him explain blended controls. The technique is VERY subjective based on surface conditions and visibility around the corner, but the logic is sound.
@@SirLionofBiff I understand but as a technique used for the road it is only hazardous, and is, most importantly, not called trail braking
Savage humor tastefully delivered along with the best information. Why are the best channels on UA-cam always from Canada???
Good learning in a very high quality standard video, as always! Great job Fortnine!
I tried this new grip in my morning ride today and it changed my life!
It really simplified my throttle control.
Thanks Ryan F9!
Great video yet again Ryan thanks for sharing. Funny I’ve been using the ice cream grip on both on my motorcycles and push bikes for as long as I can remember and I’ve never really thought about it until this video. Having buggered wrists mainly from arthritis I’ve always found the ice cream grip far more comfortable than the death grip.
How does this apply to riding offroad on a dual sport? I think the Icecream cone would melt very fast. Chris Birch teaches high elbows and two fingers on the clutch and brake lever.
Is this Icecream only for track and road riders?
Off-road, a rider does not lean past his machine in corners. So yes…ice cream grip applies only to road and track riding.
If you don't hold the Ducati Death Grip, you can reduce the amount of shock transmitted from bars to your arms. Changing the angle of your grip means changing the angle of your forearm, allowing your elbow to pivot more easily.
@@SoloPilot6 all good off-roaders have elbows up and a grip. Sort of a Tai Chi position for maximum strength and efficiency absorbing bumps with your arms. This is true for any typical off-road single track or motocross track.
You would not do any of this offroad. In most cases you're not cornering hard like you see being demonstrated in this video. You'll even likely be in the standing position.
The video title is poor because it’s wrong, there is much more to the picture. It also assumes that racers/sports-bike riders AREN’T already doing it right. UA-cam for the masses 🤷🏽♂️
The Rocky cry from Intervention at the end is the best use of the best clip of all time.
I just realized who Fort9 reminds of.
How many viewers also follow Keith(?) Cameron, the writer of technical articles for Cycle World since it was published on clay tablets? Now online.
Both of you have the gift of interpreting mundane technical trivial into pertinent information that leaves one both wanting more and wanting to rush out and apply ASAP.
Ryan you are in very good company.
Thanks for continuing the conversation.
ICH
Truly a work of art, as always! Keep it up
Got my a1 license yesterday and feel like i already know more than most veteran riders thanks to this channel
RIP
You probably do. Alot of veterans learned how to drive or ride years ago and never kept up with the rules of the road.
But knowing is also half the battle, you need to practice and get used to being on the bike and develop your road sense too.
Congrats on your A1, ride safe and good luck getting unrestricted in the future ;)
Now you just need to learn humility
Remember, knowing and using are two different things. Knowing how an airplane works doesn't make you a pilot.
Knowledge is valuable.
Experience is invaluable.
Go hit them roads, Biker fren.
Me, knowing damn well I don't have a throttle grip, let alone a throttle to grip or a motorcycle to attach that grip to: "Intriguing..."
I absolutely like this video. Last weekend I bumped up from my Suzuki gz250 to a Harley Road King and sometimes cornering my rear was squirrely in the bad way. I now understand it was operator error.
Dude, the ice cream cone analogy has been a life saver. I'm a new rider and I'm learning how to relax my shoulders, elbows and grip. Whenever I find myself white knuckling it, I remember: ice cream cone. It helps me relax everything. Thank you!