Whenever the subject of countersteering comes up it usual becomes either a physics class (usually the wrong physics) or it's effing magic...The beauty of this channel is that they are consistently correct, informative and entertaining.
I must especially emphasize how this video wastes exactly zero seconds of time. Straight to the point, brief, concise, clear. Not something you come by often.
I would also add that you can increase your range of sight by standing, which is important to anticipate upcoming bumps, obstacles and over hills etc. I think you're also in a more active position to shift your weight to correct lean, especially if on an uneven surface that threatens to tip you sideways.
I love how Ryan gives a lot of science lessons and explains things in a way that most people can understand. He's basically the Bill Nye the Science Guy of the motorcycle world. Edit: To clarify (since this is the internet and people will make an unnecessary shitstorm out of anything and everything) - I was referring to the old school Bill Nye series on PBS (1993 to 1999) that made learning science fun and engaging. I have never seen (nor do I have any opinion on) any stuff he's done after that. Mike down in the comments knew what I was talking about (thanks, Mike).
I always thought that centre of gravity argument was utter tosh but couldn't quite state why, now it all makes perfect sense - thanks Ryan, another corking episode!
I'm always amazed by the quality of this channel. He took 4.30 minutes to explain what everybody else would need 20 minutes for. Concise and understandable information with excellent animation and accompanying humour. What else we can ask for?
High quality content as always. I particularly enjoyed the moment of inertia explanation using a bloody axe and the "common debris" otherwise known as a hockey stick. High tier knowledge delivered with high tier humor.
Several years ago, British Columbia enacted a law that outlaws standing while riding on public roads. Know-nothing lawmakers considered it unsafe operation and lumped it in with sitting on the bars while wheelie-ing, presumably, calling it stunting. I still sand up when I feel the need, or the situation calls for it, scofflaw that I am. Great video; great channel,
I ride trials as well, so- next to zero sitting down on that bike. I ride the FSR’s on the Sunshine Coast, but mainly just to connect the single track. Getting back to off-road riding has revolutionized my two-wheeled life. All the fun you can stand at 15kph!
This part appears to have been repealed. Standing on the motorcycle is now only (albeit still kind of unnecessarily) outlawed while traveling on the highway and although it is an infraction it isn't considered stunt driving.
@@nikolaceh No, it was because lawmakers think that it's "showing off and reckless" to stand up rather than remain on the seat "like you're supposed to".
Great video Ryan! One thing I was taught by off road BMW instructors is one of the most important reasons to stand off road is the body senses all balance for the body from around the ball of the foot. If you are standing and the bike starts to slip or slide you will notice it much quicker if standing and will be able to respond much quicker. If you are sitting, by the time you notice any slide it has already gone past the time to make a correction that will have a positive outcome.
I don't believe that statement for a second. Imo it's more about bike getting some momentum and your bodyweight slightly just stabilizes the movements making things easier. Like riding in deep sand. You're for sure not faster reacting standing up. I dare to claim most are actually faster in inputs sitting down and it creates even more problems on such ground. Stand up and that counterweight of your body does some stabilization. Heck doesn't even physicians say that balance comes from your ears, not your feet.
@@thehighwaystar1339 but the statement about not noticing a slide until it's too late is clearly wrong. In motocross riders usually sit in corners. And they certainly slide. Even enduro riders will sit in tight corners. The reason for standing is bumps, not corners. A smooth corner could be taken faster sitting down.
It's always impressive how you can take simple and relatable topics and explain them so thoroughly yet clearly, all while making the most entertaining videos on UA-cam!
Just spent the last 2 years restoring my uncle's 40-year-old motorcycle and finally took it out to the mountains last weekend, thank you Fortnine team for giving me the knowledge, skills, and confidence, to tackle the challenge.
Living in a country like Bangladesh, where unmarked speed bumps are everywhere, knowing this technique is crucial to avoid any potential crash. Fortunately, I have been utilizing this technique for a while with great results. Thank you Ryan for further clarifications.
@@winstonbyronic1248 I love how a foreigner uses punctuation better than most natives. Still see people not using a single period in paragraphs the size of short stories.
I have been using this for so long,on a uncertain bump I apply pressure to my elbows & stand a little up & then the bike gets less shock damage & I don't feel it in my bones just a bit in hands Over time I have come to drive at the speed of 35/km because I don't get adrenaline rush anymore, instead I get headaches & palpitations
Same. Brazilian here with bumpy and terrible roads. I always knew to do it, I always felt like it was the right thing. I just never really knew why I did it. Now I do. F9's production is just so amazing.
F9 keeps putting up high quality content with solid humor and interesting lessons to learn. And he does so without needing to make a 20 minute video with 13 ads baked in
The deadpan jokes have me laughing out loud every time. Here with the Australian restaurateur, in the dealership video with the toilet plunger - comedy gold, man!
Your engineering and tech specs are awesome but almost always have to watch your videos twice to catch all your subtle humor. You killed on this one with the bloody axe!
This is without a doubt the best motorcycle UA-cam channel- definitely miss the longer videos and “cinematic motorcycle documentaries “ I watch those over and over! You should consider a video on or about a long distance dual sport adventure from A to B through the woods-
@@cowmath77 not saying ya wrong but its important to remember a company that large has parts. I wont say who or what (confidentiality shit) but i worked for a company with 50k+ employees in 7 nations, i was on a team of about 100 responsable for GLOBAL manufacturing issues l.
Two pegs will however limit ankle movement, you should also be standing forward of the arch on your feet so they wouldn't be used much anyways unless you're doing long distance.
@@Wintersdark Well, mostly, I ride a lot of MTB and the biggest and the most crucial difference for creating grip is body position, on bikes, your body helps, but it only makes up 1/3 of the system's mass, on a bicycle, your body is 4/5 of the total mass at the very least, so what you do with your body makes a far bigger difference than your bike, for example when jumping a motorcycle there is not much to do apart from absorb the upwards bump with your legs and the landing again with your legs. With a bicycle it's the exact opposite, you are wanting to push the bike into the ground on takeoff so the lip transfers into your body, it is then your body pulling the bike up with you, not the other way around.
@@AntaresSQ01 while the scale is different, the impacts are the same. There's some differences of course. When jumping a motorcycle, you can adjust the pitch of the bike with the throttle to some extent, for example. But your body position *while less crucial* is still important on a motorcycle and the concepts remain the same. MTB skills absolutely make you a better street motorcyclist, just like learning to ride dirt bikes does too. There's differences, but they're usually more just about proportions than actual incompatiblities. With the weight ratio making body position so important on a MTB you're *forced* to learn it correctly, whereas you can fudge it a lot on a motorcycle in comparison so it's easy to not learn well there. But if you can manage good body position riding a MTB down trails, you'll fucking nail it on a motorbike.
@@Wintersdark Oh don't get me wrong the reason i do MTB is to be better at motorcycling, and a fun way to get fit that's also cheap (well apart from initial buy in). It definitely helps, the control you learn there slow speed, brakes, cornering, definitely transfer, especially going over obstacles, I've jumped kerbs on my S1000XR I never dared to go near before i started doing MTB, same with rolling burnouts and wheelies, I learned that on MTB haha
I learned to stand off-road the hard way when, while coming down a rut sitting, I hit a rock with the rear tire and it sent me flying over the handlebar only to then be crushed by the bike. I wasn't hurt but that told me my legs are free suspensions
I’ve been raving about this channel to family, friends and work colleagues for a long time here in Europe. It’s the best combination of well delivered information, engines, science, dead-pan humour and incredibly well put together cinematic productions. Ironically, NONE of us ride motorbikes … until now, I hope. I start my first lesson in a couple of weeks. My biggest motivation to finally do it is without a doubt this channel. So yea, fingers crossed it works out - either way, it’s FortNine’s fault.
This is literally the best channel to exist on this site. The way you convey info, back it up with real world experience and demonstration; all with eagerness and a fun attitude its awesome to see man. I'm only 20 but I turn 21 on the 25th of this month and recently became an MSF rider coach for the basic rider course in the us and just want to say you really are one of the best teachers I have seen and I love your content so much.
This is the quality of video production quality, delivery and content that EVERYONE aspires to... Increases moment of inertia!! I've been off-road riding for ~45 years, BS degree with physics and you just taught me something I can use, again! Thank you Ryan!
Incidentally, I'm discovering this is _exactly_ what you should be doing when riding bicycles as well, especially if you have a rigid frame without suspension. Staying "in" your bike transmits the full force of a bump/curb/ridge/pothole, whereas standing up lets your body act as a natural suspension or even augments your existing ones.
Most of your video's have taught me something. This one is no exception. I applaud you for the quality you've been delivering for years now. And I thank you.
That’s why I love this channel - thanks again for an ACCURATE, informative, and well produced video. I’m no scientist, but watching all the other videos describing how standing lowered your center of gravity always rubbed me wrong. It never sounded correct to me, but I assumed - like an idiot - that people on UA-cam knew what they were talking about. Yes, they were describing a proper technique, but their use of scientific jargon was off. It’s why I always look forward to new content here - just wish it was more often!
I didn't find a comment that explain this, but I guess F9 is wrong at 0:50. If you sit on the motorcycle, you gravity center is closer to the ground, if you stand the center go up. The demonstration is simple, a steady man has the center of gravity close to the navel (considering that the arms are along the body). If you sit the navel will be closer to the fuel tank than if you are standing, no ? The other part of the explanation about moment of inertia seems more credible, but I watched more than 3 times the explanation of the center of gravity and makes me mad to know if I'm wrong because I don't understand or if F9 is wrong. Maybe I should talk to driving4answer...
Standing also has a couple extra useful benefits. You can see what your wheel is about to hit without moving your weight forward so you can be better prepared for it. You can shift your weight more easily when standing allowing you to get more traction on the rear or make climbing a hill easier. Additionally, you can also see a little bit further away, though the benefit of this is academic at best.
Actually sitting on the rear provides traction and sitting forward for preventing front wheel lift; flat surface. Sitting rearward is great for sand and bulldust, standing is a one way ticket to a broken neck. Standing is useful for jumping, hard landing, steep inclines, slow large obstacle traversal, some water crossing, sighting and isolation from whoops and the like. Sitting is for everything else. I am sick to death of "Adventure Bike" douchebags standing on a flat gravel road and waxing on about standing in general.....which is really just posing....posing douchebags.
Greetings from Adelaide Australia, it has been a while, however every time I see your informative videos I have more to learn and enjoy my riding even more. The whole issue of standing V sitting is an issue that needs attention and you have done this. The extra footpads is a good idea. Thanks. David...Adelaide...Tiger 900GT
Side point, adjust your bars/levers so that they're a compromise between sitting and standing. A lot of people forget that, adjust everything to be comfortable sitting, and then wonder why standing is so hard. Knees bent, elbows up and bent, head slightly over the bars, and everything relaxed is the goal. Not that this lasts more than a few seconds at a time... dirtbike riding is usually about trying to get back into that position before the next thing that comes along to push you off.
For strictly off-road use, the twin peg isn't technically a good option because by planting the heel you are eliminating the extra suspension that your calves give, when the heel is planted only the thighs are reacting to the bike. Whereas if you are on the balls of your feet you get the flexion of your foot and calve involved which actually creates more efficient body suspension. By placing a peg under your heel, it will stop that flexing motion and create a greater shock into your body = greater shock into your lower back = more taxing on the body. Something very important is to make sure the balls of your feet are on the peg rather than the arches of your foot. Proper foot placement on the peg is the first key to creating the union between the bikes suspension and your own.
Since this video was made, TwinPegs have been raced successfully at Baja 1000, Finke desert race (Australia), Sunraysia Safari Rally ( Australia, first desert race gold medal with TwinPegs), Rallye Breslau, European enduro championship. This is only the beginning, as the racers who dares to take the leap, are very satisfied. They get an additional ride technique tool for effortless weight transfer towards the rear wheel. Try it, and feel the difference 😊🏁🇳🇴
Perfect timing. I just started riding the Trans Euro Trail and have been experimenting with standing up and sitting down. Standing up does help with the bumps, but when it's slippery sand or mud I prefer sitting down. Only a few days into the trip and I really start noticing my muscles and exuastion from standing.
Standing may not lower the CoG but it puts your body in a much better body position to quickly and freely make rider inputs to the bike. From a standing position I often use my knees and hips and weight through the pegs to move the big ADV bike to quickly avoid obstacles or to recover from loss of traction, it can be done from sitting as well but when the bike literally jumps sideways when you hit a rock, especially one you didn't see under water it's a lot easier to control the dance the bike is doing from a standing position, dryer too.
Every time man, every time. I am STILL not that bothered about motorbikes in much of a way at all, but I STILL love it when there's a fresh Fortnine to view. Why is this channel so good? Who cares - so long as they keep coming 😁. Thanks again Mr. Ryan!!! 😎
Interesting. As a hiker, I always considered standing (pegs bearing your weight) vs sitting (seat bearing your weight) like the difference between carrying the weight of a heavy backpack up on your shoulders only vs having that same heavy weight born on your hips (with shoulder straps to just hold it in place). It may not lower the center of gravity, but it certainly feels less top heavy.
Yeah. I agree. There is still a difference on how much actual weight you put on the pegs instead of the seat in, say, low speed maneouvers (did i spell that correctly?) when you require it for better control/balance. Sure the center of gravity might be the same. But in what way it affects the bike, is not
I recall having that same revelation while portaging a heavy backpack in Algonquin park as a young lad. After a day of aching shoulders, I loosened the shoulder straps and tightened the waist band firmly around my hips. Wow! I could go all day like that. Makes sense, pelvis evolved to carry our body weight vertically, whereas collar bones and spine are for keeping the arm sockets in line with the head and neck, not for supporting 50-70 lbs added weight all day.
It's a little more complicated, since when you put the back pack weight on your hips it's mostly your leg muscle doing all the work, which they can handle. When you wear only shoulder straps, it's your legs and all of your trunk and spine muscles having to do the work. Which strangely enough doesn't make it easier for your legs because they are still carrying all the weight, just much harder on your back since it also has to help. And you trunk and spine muscles don't like doing that much work and fatigue much quicker.
@@HeyAddieImTojo isn’t that still about managing your mass independently of the bike’s? More weight through your feet lets you shift around on or just above the saddle, or shift the bike itself under you.
Another great video from Ryan F9. I am glad to see the BS about “lowering your center of gravity” clearly debunked and explained. Ryan and crew are great at teaching the science of how motorcycles work, reminding me of the late great Issac Asimov’s many science fact books [Asimov did great Science Fiction as well]. I appreciate Ryan’s practical advice on when standing helps control your bike and how it really works.
As an off-road cyclist, this makes perfect sense. Anyone who wants to ride a motorbike off-road should go mountain biking first, and work up to old poorly-maintained BMX tracks. And where you have to carry the bike a mile to the nearest shop yourself if you break anything on it in the process.
I had to watch your moment of inertia demo about 3 times before I could actually hear what you were saying. Your choice of a bloody axe for the demo had me laughing so hard I couldn't pay attention! Excellent and highly entertaining content once again from the F9 crew👍
Ryan and the guys at fortnine are real heros. I rewatch tips almost every morning before a ride, and I would’ve had a worse spill without them. Thank you guys from the bottom of my heart and broken metatarsals. Boots are important gear too, if you don’t wanna take a 7 month hiatus from walking and riding. Stay safe and ride smart y’all.
I dont even ride motorcycles but I wait in anticipation to watch your new videos as soon as they come out! One of the greatest channels on the platform hands down.
Very good video, and I loved the detailed explanation. And this all seems great for street and duel sport riding. But for motocross or enduro you want to be able to drop your ankles by standing on the balls of your feet and keep your knees basically behind the foot pegs pointed inwards and flex at your hips which will act as so much better absorption than standing on the arch of your foot. Again, this applies to motocross and enduro racing mainly. AWESOME VIDEO! (Aj Catanzaro explains this very well teaching the attack position for motocross.)
I see a lot of ADV riders as passive lumps whilst riding off-road. As an ACU Motocross Coach I used to teach a lot about weight positioning depending on terrain, slope angles and turns. Basically, we need to be purposely moving our mass about a lot, in appropriate directions to ride safely and effectively. It's my favourite form of exercise 😀
This^ Stay on the balls of your feet and squeeze/lock with your knees. Critical to not getting exhausted on longer hillies, you can stand for way longer cause your knees are locked into the tank which lets the shin bone takes most of the weight and leaves you upper body loose.
My bike looks great and the TwinPegs are totally awesome. The video is once again awesome filled with great content and visually stimulating. Thanks for your continued commitment to high production values and descriptive explanations that make motorcycling more interesting and exciting. Shout out to Luke on a great job!
@@JediLeba hey, floor boards are probably great in the right application, which is probably on a street cruiser. I would not want floor boards on my local single track or anywhere else off road. TwinPegs give you the comfort and feeling of floorboards for sure but they also do not detract from the off road performance of the bike or even the original feel of the bike in technical terrain. They also give you some additional support for getting weight on the back wheel when required. If you ride single track or even just forest service roads TwinPegs are the way to go. Twinpegs are not cheap but they are a well engineered solution that solves many issues of control and fatigue with an adventure bike off road. If you ride nothing but the tarmac and want to cruise you are not even likely going to want to stand on the pegs or floorboards.
@@RodNeufeld all good points, I guess, but you didn’t answer the question - how are they different? I would add, there are visible bumps and railroad tracks to cross that do give occasion to stand on any bike, even my tourer.
@@JediLeba if you like they function the same in theory and that is as far as it goes. TwinPegs function completely independently of your original pegs or aftermarket pegs. They also work in conjunction with them. A floorboard is a large inflexible unit that if by chance it folds up the entire board folds. TwinPegs will fold independently of the original pegs. They are more narrow as well to provide better travel past common obstacles on the trails without losing function of the original pegs. It does not take much of a stretch of the imagination to understand the results of riding through rocks, roots and other such objects that will hook onto, fold or even tear off a floorboard. Yes floorboards are the same as TwinPegs in basic function. When used in the same environments there is going to be a drastically different result due to very real functional and design differences.
2:55 -- not quite. Standing on the pegs, not only are you reducing the amount of upward force that the mass of your body adds to the entire package, but you are also allowing the shock absorbers to do a better job, by reducing the amount of damping that they have to do. Insulating each mass from the others makes control of individual masses easier (try pushing a chain).
Yes, but from the simple view of the bike being a mass and the rider being a mass what he said already holds true. So there is no need to complicate his explanation by adding the workings of a suspension into the mix. Would he have done that I am certain someone wouldve commented „Not quite, what if I perfectly tune the spring rate and dampers of my suspension to the combined weight of my bike including myself and then suddenly I am standing up, absorbing bumbs with my legs?“ There is always one more minor „not quite…“ in physics explanations
I don't understand what you're saying. Standing on the pegs does not change your mass. What upward force? Standing or sitting, your sprung mass is the same so how do you reduce the load on the shocks? Way to complicate a simple explanation.
@@sv650nyc7 Total mas doesn't change, but you are reducing the mass into smaller, lighter sections, which are moving in relation to each other. Another example of this is when a freight train starts or stops. By having some "draw" in the couplers, only one car at a time must start or stop moving at any moment. The overall weight of the consist doesn't change, only how those weights interact with each other.
@@sv650nyc7 Sitting or standing may not change the total mass, but it changes where that mass has an effect of the bike. Try this, put 100lbs on the seat of the bike and move your bike around in the garage. Now put that weight on the pegs and move your bike again. I bet you will find the bike a lot easier to control with the weight at the pegs rather than on the seat. That's what your changing when you stand or sit while riding. This is reason so many people prefer BMW GS or GSA 1200 /1250. Everything is down low and makes the bike easier to control and when you stand, you put that much more weight down low making these bikes the easiest to low speed control vs a top heavy bike.
I definitely use the pegs as much as possible. On a sportbike I think using your legs gets the weight off the handlebars and your wrists and makes the bike handle better.
If you can stand properly on the pegs without gripping the bars, then yes. Also it's not about "getting weight off the handlebars", that really depends on the surface. Sitting or standing, you should be loose on the bars.
> It gets the weight off the handlebars Nonsense, it gets more weight ON the handlebars because you usually sit further back compared to standing. Please don't perpetuate another pseudoscience BS. The reason why handlings get improved is something else.
@@thomas316 kind of works that way. The suspension absorbs the bump and dissapstes it in the shocks, but when it's too much it pushes up into the rider. The sitting rider moves with the bike and this can get launched off the bike. The loosely standing rider uses his/her thighs as a second suspension, absorbing the movement of the bike so the rider stays in control. This is of course work so you will get tired as you do mini squats on every big bump
This method of standing was actually created by a senior with Rheumatoid arthritis. It enables 75 yr. old FARTS like me to continue riding when my knees swell up like balloons and don't bend that well. Riding for long periods of time sitting can be extremely painful. By standing yes even on the highway I am able to ease the pain and ride for most of the day. I ride about half of the time standing on the highway. It also gives me what I crave and that is all of the attention from passing motorists wondering what the hell I am doing. The only real issue that I face is getting on and off the bike as my right leg which is the one that bends the most can be a challenge to get it over the seat. I could change to something with a lower seat (street bike ug) but then I would not have the joy of pain relief by standing and of course riding all of the dirt roads and trails that I love so much! RIDING TILL MY LAST BREATH!
Unfortunately the reality is that Canada's trails are relatively few and far -- very far -- in between. Areas that I used to ride as a kid are now all locked down by resource companies. And any good single track that's out there tends to be a secret jealously protected by the locals, not that I blame them. As well Canadians in general look down on those damned off-roaders and their nature destroying machines. You risk many scowling gazes of disapproval and haughty clucking of tongues by venturing out on public land.
PNW trail rider here ;) I love to see things like this reach the masses. Sole street riders struggle with these concepts the most. Keep these things in mind. Road or dirt.
Every time a Fortnine educational video is released, another squadron of internet "expert riding advice" trolls dies inside. One by one, you'll get 'em all. Love you man.
This is beautiful because F9 delivers an interesting and informative video, and then seamlessly provides me with a great solution to the problem they just described. They don't jest tell me the problem, they provide a legitimate solution. That was very satisfying to watch 👏
Great lesson in physics. What’s funny is when you see an “adventure” rider stand up when entering a gravel parking lot thinking since they’re “off road” they should stand up.
Also good for stretching your legs on a long ride as well as letting more airflow around the crotch, cooling you off and aiding comfort. Do it all the time on highways on hot days.
Offroad motorcycles need an independently sprung pegs and seat assembly really. Much like the double chassis on a truck or F1 car, one lower suspension system optimised for handling and the other upper suspension optimised for comfort.
Great video. I think everyone should start out on trail riding dirt bikes for their first motorcycle. Teaches so much with a much lower risk of injury!
I have NEVER ridden a Motorcycle in My Life but Ryan F9 You have earned a Subscription... I Remember the Stuff You talk about going Way Above My Head in Calculus and Physics... I Should have paid more Attention in School... TY for the Education and Excellent Production... God Bless
I am absolutely convinced that this is the most consistently high quality channel on this entire website
There's also Gears and Gasoline, they're pretty high quality too.
KaptainKristian for music too!
Agreed
it's so good, it's the only channel where i actually have notifications turned on.
What website?
"Like an Australian Restaurateur we want our system to be resistant to tipping"
As an Australian, I approve this message
Too right, mate.
I agree. Underpaying workers and expecting customers to fill in the gap is a terrible system.
@@clonkex as an american, I agree
@@Kim_Miller Or as we would pronounce it in Stralyin, tu roit might ;D
@@martythemartian99 or alternatively “fuck oath”
I always love a physics class that involves motorcycles
Wish physics was this entertaining in school
And a bloody axe will garner a lot of attention.
Whenever the subject of countersteering comes up it usual becomes either a physics class (usually the wrong physics) or it's effing magic...The beauty of this channel is that they are consistently correct, informative and entertaining.
...and subtle humour (note that I spelled it the Canadian way 😉)
I prefer a motorcycle class that includes physics...
I must especially emphasize how this video wastes exactly zero seconds of time. Straight to the point, brief, concise, clear. Not something you come by often.
don't forget comiedic, the true wonder of this channel.
The ‘common debris’ being a hockey stick made my day 😂
Bloody axe. 😉
I’m conditioned to do precisely one squat per morning… two levels of comedy genius!
It's the little things that make FortNine and Ryan stand out from the others. :)
Keep your stick on the ice.
@@mikeburke5823 lol I didn't get the joke until now
I would also add that you can increase your range of sight by standing, which is important to anticipate upcoming bumps, obstacles and over hills etc. I think you're also in a more active position to shift your weight to correct lean, especially if on an uneven surface that threatens to tip you sideways.
Yeah, I thought the lean factor would be fairly important too.
I am up in parking lots on my DL 1000. I can see every idiot, and the open parking spaces.
@@geneticepistomologyand hopefully a few of those idiots can see YOU!
I love how Ryan gives a lot of science lessons and explains things in a way that most people can understand. He's basically the Bill Nye the Science Guy of the motorcycle world.
Edit: To clarify (since this is the internet and people will make an unnecessary shitstorm out of anything and everything) - I was referring to the old school Bill Nye series on PBS (1993 to 1999) that made learning science fun and engaging. I have never seen (nor do I have any opinion on) any stuff he's done after that. Mike down in the comments knew what I was talking about (thanks, Mike).
No need to be insulting
Except Ryan understands what he's talking about.
Let's hope he never becomes shill nye
He is way smarter than Bill.
@@JW-xk8bd his mom is n physicist
I always thought that centre of gravity argument was utter tosh but couldn't quite state why, now it all makes perfect sense - thanks Ryan, another corking episode!
I'm always amazed by the quality of this channel. He took 4.30 minutes to explain what everybody else would need 20 minutes for. Concise and understandable information with excellent animation and accompanying humour. What else we can ask for?
Could have been 5 seconds: "standing is better. trust the science" 🙃
High quality content as always. I particularly enjoyed the moment of inertia explanation using a bloody axe and the "common debris" otherwise known as a hockey stick. High tier knowledge delivered with high tier humor.
Came here to say this😁👍🏼
Can somebody, anybody PLEASE tell me what the ending song is called?
I noticed that too...
Agreed. Always top tier content
You can watch them several times to extract all the value added. Very high calibre productions. ❤
Several years ago, British Columbia enacted a law that outlaws standing while riding on public roads. Know-nothing lawmakers considered it unsafe operation and lumped it in with sitting on the bars while wheelie-ing, presumably, calling it stunting. I still sand up when I feel the need, or the situation calls for it, scofflaw that I am. Great video; great channel,
Not a lot of cops on the FSRs around Kelowna!
I ride trials as well, so- next to zero sitting down on that bike. I ride the FSR’s on the Sunshine Coast, but mainly just to connect the single track. Getting back to off-road riding has revolutionized my two-wheeled life. All the fun you can stand at 15kph!
I'd assume the logic is that you can't use your mirrors while standing.
This part appears to have been repealed. Standing on the motorcycle is now only (albeit still kind of unnecessarily) outlawed while traveling on the highway and although it is an infraction it isn't considered stunt driving.
@@nikolaceh No, it was because lawmakers think that it's "showing off and reckless" to stand up rather than remain on the seat "like you're supposed to".
Great video Ryan! One thing I was taught by off road BMW instructors is one of the most important reasons to stand off road is the body senses all balance for the body from around the ball of the foot. If you are standing and the bike starts to slip or slide you will notice it much quicker if standing and will be able to respond much quicker. If you are sitting, by the time you notice any slide it has already gone past the time to make a correction that will have a positive outcome.
Flat track racers and GP road racers never stand as it would make the bike uncontrollable . And they know what slide is.
I don't believe that statement for a second. Imo it's more about bike getting some momentum and your bodyweight slightly just stabilizes the movements making things easier. Like riding in deep sand. You're for sure not faster reacting standing up. I dare to claim most are actually faster in inputs sitting down and it creates even more problems on such ground. Stand up and that counterweight of your body does some stabilization. Heck doesn't even physicians say that balance comes from your ears, not your feet.
@@dantownsend4246 this video is obviously not about flat track racing or MGP but about adventure biking.
@@thehighwaystar1339 but the statement about not noticing a slide until it's too late is clearly wrong. In motocross riders usually sit in corners. And they certainly slide. Even enduro riders will sit in tight corners.
The reason for standing is bumps, not corners. A smooth corner could be taken faster sitting down.
It's always impressive how you can take simple and relatable topics and explain them so thoroughly yet clearly, all while making the most entertaining videos on UA-cam!
Can somebody, anybody PLEASE tell me what the ending song is called?
Just spent the last 2 years restoring my uncle's 40-year-old motorcycle and finally took it out to the mountains last weekend, thank you Fortnine team for giving me the knowledge, skills, and confidence, to tackle the challenge.
Living in a country like Bangladesh, where unmarked speed bumps are everywhere, knowing this technique is crucial to avoid any potential crash. Fortunately, I have been utilizing this technique for a while with great results. Thank you Ryan for further clarifications.
Looks like perfect colloquial American English. Goodonya dude.
You mean the goat-tracks have smooth bits?
@@winstonbyronic1248 I love how a foreigner uses punctuation better than most natives.
Still see people not using a single period in paragraphs the size of short stories.
I have been using this for so long,on a uncertain bump I apply pressure to my elbows & stand a little up & then the bike gets less shock damage & I don't feel it in my bones just a bit in hands
Over time I have come to drive at the speed of 35/km because I don't get adrenaline rush anymore, instead I get headaches & palpitations
Same. Brazilian here with bumpy and terrible roads.
I always knew to do it, I always felt like it was the right thing. I just never really knew why I did it. Now I do. F9's production is just so amazing.
F9 keeps putting up high quality content with solid humor and interesting lessons to learn. And he does so without needing to make a 20 minute video with 13 ads baked in
Feels like it's been forever. Love seeing the notification for a Fortnine video.
Same here!
Science and two wheels, this is the only channel I need. I will never get enough of your content, keep rollin' brother.
Brilliant as usual...so much information imparted concisely. And "the one squat each morning" bit was so subtle 😁
No, I got it ... really.
So you're saying he dumped info on us?
@@michaelmaier7262 you make it sound like a bad thing. I'm saying... exactly what I said. I don't know how else to put it.
@@martinsanderson5240 Michael was making a poop joke bro
@@iguana51 way too sophisticated for the likes of me lol
The deadpan jokes have me laughing out loud every time. Here with the Australian restaurateur, in the dealership video with the toilet plunger - comedy gold, man!
You missed the blood stained axe he was holding!
I love all the science you put into your videos. You back up everything you say with proof. Awesome content!
That’s what makes this channel the best motorbike channel there is
@@yesno7378 Not only the best motorcycle channel, but up there as one of the best youtube channels overall.
@@jasonb6570 fully agree thete
Every one of FortNine's videos are actually works of art, it's beautiful. Keep doing what you're doing!
Your engineering and tech specs are awesome but almost always have to watch your videos twice to catch all your subtle humor. You killed on this one with the bloody axe!
This is without a doubt the best motorcycle UA-cam channel-
definitely miss the longer videos and “cinematic motorcycle documentaries “
I watch those over and over! You should consider a video on or about a long distance dual sport adventure from A to B through the woods-
I agree with everything you’ve said. Haven’t even got a minute into the video but I agree
Im 2 minutes in, i also agree
@its Time Yes bro, I've been waiting for a fucking air fryer my whole life.
@@ginger_nosoul all hail the mighty Ryan
@@cowmath77 not saying ya wrong but its important to remember a company that large has parts. I wont say who or what (confidentiality shit) but i worked for a company with 50k+ employees in 7 nations, i was on a team of about 100 responsable for GLOBAL manufacturing issues l.
Been riding dirt bikes for a decade and it literally never occurred to me that two pegs would make everything more stable
Two pegs will however limit ankle movement, you should also be standing forward of the arch on your feet so they wouldn't be used much anyways unless you're doing long distance.
Glad to know what I do instinctively on a bicycle at 25 mph transfers over well to motorcycles. Always a pleasure watching your videos- keep it up.
Bicycle riding skill does transfer extremely well to motorcycles, particularly when riding offroad.
They work the same, after all.
Same. Especially now that I have an eBike that I can soup up from 20mph to 30mph (~35-50 km/h).
@@Wintersdark Well, mostly, I ride a lot of MTB and the biggest and the most crucial difference for creating grip is body position, on bikes, your body helps, but it only makes up 1/3 of the system's mass, on a bicycle, your body is 4/5 of the total mass at the very least, so what you do with your body makes a far bigger difference than your bike, for example when jumping a motorcycle there is not much to do apart from absorb the upwards bump with your legs and the landing again with your legs. With a bicycle it's the exact opposite, you are wanting to push the bike into the ground on takeoff so the lip transfers into your body, it is then your body pulling the bike up with you, not the other way around.
@@AntaresSQ01 while the scale is different, the impacts are the same. There's some differences of course. When jumping a motorcycle, you can adjust the pitch of the bike with the throttle to some extent, for example. But your body position *while less crucial* is still important on a motorcycle and the concepts remain the same.
MTB skills absolutely make you a better street motorcyclist, just like learning to ride dirt bikes does too. There's differences, but they're usually more just about proportions than actual incompatiblities.
With the weight ratio making body position so important on a MTB you're *forced* to learn it correctly, whereas you can fudge it a lot on a motorcycle in comparison so it's easy to not learn well there. But if you can manage good body position riding a MTB down trails, you'll fucking nail it on a motorbike.
@@Wintersdark Oh don't get me wrong the reason i do MTB is to be better at motorcycling, and a fun way to get fit that's also cheap (well apart from initial buy in). It definitely helps, the control you learn there slow speed, brakes, cornering, definitely transfer, especially going over obstacles, I've jumped kerbs on my S1000XR I never dared to go near before i started doing MTB, same with rolling burnouts and wheelies, I learned that on MTB haha
I learned to stand off-road the hard way when, while coming down a rut sitting, I hit a rock with the rear tire and it sent me flying over the handlebar only to then be crushed by the bike. I wasn't hurt but that told me my legs are free suspensions
I’ve been raving about this channel to family, friends and work colleagues for a long time here in Europe. It’s the best combination of well delivered information, engines, science, dead-pan humour and incredibly well put together cinematic productions. Ironically, NONE of us ride motorbikes … until now, I hope.
I start my first lesson in a couple of weeks. My biggest motivation to finally do it is without a doubt this channel.
So yea, fingers crossed it works out - either way, it’s FortNine’s fault.
I also stand on the pegs to stretch out leg cramps. Ryan's did not cover that part of the science.
@@chargingcycles 100%!!! Same here...I do bloody "yoga" on my bike at times. And ya gotta stretch out those kinks somehow!
Lessons pursued beyond the basics lead to excellence. Have fun,!
Awesome!
How did it go? Are you on a bike yet?
This is literally the best channel to exist on this site. The way you convey info, back it up with real world experience and demonstration; all with eagerness and a fun attitude its awesome to see man. I'm only 20 but I turn 21 on the 25th of this month and recently became an MSF rider coach for the basic rider course in the us and just want to say you really are one of the best teachers I have seen and I love your content so much.
Damn I hate there's a lot of motorcycle channels that put a lot of content but the best one take his time.
Great has always.
My favorite moto channel by far.
Show deserves awards and prime-time funding.
Deserves? Yes. Would be made better by? Less likely.
I could not have tapped faster at a FortNine new upload. Way better than my pullout game. 🤣🤣
As usual, very informative. Love it.
Gonna have a fourth kid soon, sounds like we’re well matched 😆
That was a zarking good commercial for the double pegs. Well done sirs.
Cheers from the Netherlands!
Starting to think Ryan is retiring on us. Glad to see you releasing content again! Love the consistent quality!!
This is the quality of video production quality, delivery and content that EVERYONE aspires to... Increases moment of inertia!! I've been off-road riding for ~45 years, BS degree with physics and you just taught me something I can use, again! Thank you Ryan!
Incidentally, I'm discovering this is _exactly_ what you should be doing when riding bicycles as well, especially if you have a rigid frame without suspension. Staying "in" your bike transmits the full force of a bump/curb/ridge/pothole, whereas standing up lets your body act as a natural suspension or even augments your existing ones.
F9--- the absolute BEST at integrating and explaining complex physics at a level a dullard like me can understand.
Fantastic!!
A science lesson with humor, a bloody axe and a hockey stick as common debris. I freaking love these FortNine videos.
Canadians..
Most of your video's have taught me something. This one is no exception. I applaud you for the quality you've been delivering for years now.
And I thank you.
That’s why I love this channel - thanks again for an ACCURATE, informative, and well produced video.
I’m no scientist, but watching all the other videos describing how standing lowered your center of gravity always rubbed me wrong. It never sounded correct to me, but I assumed - like an idiot - that people on UA-cam knew what they were talking about.
Yes, they were describing a proper technique, but their use of scientific jargon was off.
It’s why I always look forward to new content here - just wish it was more often!
This guy’s great, but of course, he’s biased occasionally, and panders to the western audience more.
I didn't find a comment that explain this, but I guess F9 is wrong at 0:50. If you sit on the motorcycle, you gravity center is closer to the ground, if you stand the center go up.
The demonstration is simple, a steady man has the center of gravity close to the navel (considering that the arms are along the body). If you sit the navel will be closer to the fuel tank than if you are standing, no ?
The other part of the explanation about moment of inertia seems more credible, but I watched more than 3 times the explanation of the center of gravity and makes me mad to know if I'm wrong because I don't understand or if F9 is wrong. Maybe I should talk to driving4answer...
I like how everyone gets Ryans humor and nobody questions the bloody axe.
Always a great day when Ryan and crew make a new Fortnine video. Thanks guys!
Can somebody, anybody PLEASE tell me what the ending song is called?
I just bought a 2022 KTM 690 SMCR and seeing the thumbnail got me soooo excited lol My favorite bike and favorite UA-camr in one video.
Standing also has a couple extra useful benefits. You can see what your wheel is about to hit without moving your weight forward so you can be better prepared for it. You can shift your weight more easily when standing allowing you to get more traction on the rear or make climbing a hill easier. Additionally, you can also see a little bit further away, though the benefit of this is academic at best.
Actually sitting on the rear provides traction and sitting forward for preventing front wheel lift; flat surface. Sitting rearward is great for sand and bulldust, standing is a one way ticket to a broken neck. Standing is useful for jumping, hard landing, steep inclines, slow large obstacle traversal, some water crossing, sighting and isolation from whoops and the like.
Sitting is for everything else.
I am sick to death of "Adventure Bike" douchebags standing on a flat gravel road and waxing on about standing in general.....which is really just posing....posing douchebags.
@fortnine we need more content out of you guys. It's amazing and this wasn't enough.
Greetings from Adelaide Australia, it has been a while, however every time I see your informative videos I have more to learn and enjoy my riding even more. The whole issue of standing V sitting is an issue that needs attention and you have done this. The extra footpads is a good idea. Thanks. David...Adelaide...Tiger 900GT
Hi David, from another Aussie Tiger 900 GT rider. All roads lead to Fort Nine. :)
Love the channel Ryan. You've taught this 67 year old a lot!
Side point, adjust your bars/levers so that they're a compromise between sitting and standing. A lot of people forget that, adjust everything to be comfortable sitting, and then wonder why standing is so hard. Knees bent, elbows up and bent, head slightly over the bars, and everything relaxed is the goal. Not that this lasts more than a few seconds at a time... dirtbike riding is usually about trying to get back into that position before the next thing that comes along to push you off.
Literally the best education channel on this website. Not one is even close
For strictly off-road use, the twin peg isn't technically a good option because by planting the heel you are eliminating the extra suspension that your calves give, when the heel is planted only the thighs are reacting to the bike. Whereas if you are on the balls of your feet you get the flexion of your foot and calve involved which actually creates more efficient body suspension. By placing a peg under your heel, it will stop that flexing motion and create a greater shock into your body = greater shock into your lower back = more taxing on the body.
Something very important is to make sure the balls of your feet are on the peg rather than the arches of your foot. Proper foot placement on the peg is the first key to creating the union between the bikes suspension and your own.
Since this video was made, TwinPegs have been raced successfully at Baja 1000, Finke desert race (Australia), Sunraysia Safari Rally ( Australia, first desert race gold medal with TwinPegs), Rallye Breslau, European enduro championship. This is only the beginning, as the racers who dares to take the leap, are very satisfied. They get an additional ride technique tool for effortless weight transfer towards the rear wheel. Try it, and feel the difference 😊🏁🇳🇴
Perfect timing. I just started riding the Trans Euro Trail and have been experimenting with standing up and sitting down. Standing up does help with the bumps, but when it's slippery sand or mud I prefer sitting down. Only a few days into the trip and I really start noticing my muscles and exuastion from standing.
Standing may not lower the CoG but it puts your body in a much better body position to quickly and freely make rider inputs to the bike. From a standing position I often use my knees and hips and weight through the pegs to move the big ADV bike to quickly avoid obstacles or to recover from loss of traction, it can be done from sitting as well but when the bike literally jumps sideways when you hit a rock, especially one you didn't see under water it's a lot easier to control the dance the bike is doing from a standing position, dryer too.
The bloody ax with no explanation? Priceless Fort Nine!!
As a physicist I thank you for cleaning up the BS about lowering your centre of gravity!
Every time man, every time. I am STILL not that bothered about motorbikes in much of a way at all, but I STILL love it when there's a fresh Fortnine to view. Why is this channel so good? Who cares - so long as they keep coming 😁. Thanks again Mr. Ryan!!! 😎
Interesting. As a hiker, I always considered standing (pegs bearing your weight) vs sitting (seat bearing your weight) like the difference between carrying the weight of a heavy backpack up on your shoulders only vs having that same heavy weight born on your hips (with shoulder straps to just hold it in place). It may not lower the center of gravity, but it certainly feels less top heavy.
Yeah. I agree. There is still a difference on how much actual weight you put on the pegs instead of the seat in, say, low speed maneouvers (did i spell that correctly?) when you require it for better control/balance. Sure the center of gravity might be the same. But in what way it affects the bike, is not
I recall having that same revelation while portaging a heavy backpack in Algonquin park as a young lad. After a day of aching shoulders, I loosened the shoulder straps and tightened the waist band firmly around my hips. Wow! I could go all day like that. Makes sense, pelvis evolved to carry our body weight vertically, whereas collar bones and spine are for keeping the arm sockets in line with the head and neck, not for supporting 50-70 lbs added weight all day.
It's a little more complicated, since when you put the back pack weight on your hips it's mostly your leg muscle doing all the work, which they can handle. When you wear only shoulder straps, it's your legs and all of your trunk and spine muscles having to do the work. Which strangely enough doesn't make it easier for your legs because they are still carrying all the weight, just much harder on your back since it also has to help. And you trunk and spine muscles don't like doing that much work and fatigue much quicker.
@@HeyAddieImTojo isn’t that still about managing your mass independently of the bike’s? More weight through your feet lets you shift around on or just above the saddle, or shift the bike itself under you.
@@Badenhawk and to turn the pack it’s much easier if it follows your pelvis, without involving your abdominal muscles to control your twisty back.
Another great video from Ryan F9. I am glad to see the BS about “lowering your center of gravity” clearly debunked and explained. Ryan and crew are great at teaching the science of how motorcycles work, reminding me of the late great Issac Asimov’s many science fact books [Asimov did great Science Fiction as well].
I appreciate Ryan’s practical advice on when standing helps control your bike and how it really works.
Do not fight the momentum.
Rather, there is no momentum.
Thank you Ryan and crew. I learn lots from your video and put them in to practice regularly.
Really worried about the sudden drop in production quality! Normally you clean the murder axes before using them as props.
I caught that as well🩸
The spelling myths, using science to elevate motorcycle riding to Art. Bravo Ryan, you rock!
Man, you’re amazing! The content, the editing, the effort, you’re great at what you do. Thank you!
Love the blood on the axe and the hockey stick "common road debris". Always so good RF9 & Crew.
"I'm conditioned to make exactly one squat each morning..." That was so familiar.
As an off-road cyclist, this makes perfect sense.
Anyone who wants to ride a motorbike off-road should go mountain biking first, and work up to old poorly-maintained BMX tracks. And where you have to carry the bike a mile to the nearest shop yourself if you break anything on it in the process.
I had to watch your moment of inertia demo about 3 times before I could actually hear what you were saying. Your choice of a bloody axe for the demo had me laughing so hard I couldn't pay attention! Excellent and highly entertaining content once again from the F9 crew👍
The red on the handle was awesome
Ryan dropping the knowledge...
Answers based on science, facts, and data. It's why I love this channel.
Ryan and the guys at fortnine are real heros. I rewatch tips almost every morning before a ride, and I would’ve had a worse spill without them. Thank you guys from the bottom of my heart and broken metatarsals. Boots are important gear too, if you don’t wanna take a 7 month hiatus from walking and riding. Stay safe and ride smart y’all.
I dont even ride motorcycles but I wait in anticipation to watch your new videos as soon as they come out! One of the greatest channels on the platform hands down.
Very good video, and I loved the detailed explanation. And this all seems great for street and duel sport riding. But for motocross or enduro you want to be able to drop your ankles by standing on the balls of your feet and keep your knees basically behind the foot pegs pointed inwards and flex at your hips which will act as so much better absorption than standing on the arch of your foot. Again, this applies to motocross and enduro racing mainly. AWESOME VIDEO!
(Aj Catanzaro explains this very well teaching the attack position for motocross.)
I see a lot of ADV riders as passive lumps whilst riding off-road. As an ACU Motocross Coach I used to teach a lot about weight positioning depending on terrain, slope angles and turns. Basically, we need to be purposely moving our mass about a lot, in appropriate directions to ride safely and effectively. It's my favourite form of exercise 😀
This^ Stay on the balls of your feet and squeeze/lock with your knees. Critical to not getting exhausted on longer hillies, you can stand for way longer cause your knees are locked into the tank which lets the shin bone takes most of the weight and leaves you upper body loose.
Finally someone who can explain was is ACTUALLY going on!
My bike looks great and the TwinPegs are totally awesome. The video is once again awesome filled with great content and visually stimulating. Thanks for your continued commitment to high production values and descriptive explanations that make motorcycling more interesting and exciting. Shout out to Luke on a great job!
Thanks for the loan Rod! I'll hit you up for that tour soon :) ~RF9
I’m failing to see how twinpegs are different from floorboards, though? Besides being way more expensive?
@@JediLeba hey, floor boards are probably great in the right application, which is probably on a street cruiser.
I would not want floor boards on my local single track or anywhere else off road. TwinPegs give you the comfort and feeling of floorboards for sure but they also do not detract from the off road performance of the bike or even the original feel of the bike in technical terrain. They also give you some additional support for getting weight on the back wheel when required. If you ride single track or even just forest service roads TwinPegs are the way to go. Twinpegs are not cheap but they are a well engineered solution that solves many issues of control and fatigue with an adventure bike off road.
If you ride nothing but the tarmac and want to cruise you are not even likely going to want to stand on the pegs or floorboards.
@@RodNeufeld all good points, I guess, but you didn’t answer the question - how are they different?
I would add, there are visible bumps and railroad tracks to cross that do give occasion to stand on any bike, even my tourer.
@@JediLeba if you like they function the same in theory and that is as far as it goes. TwinPegs function completely independently of your original pegs or aftermarket pegs. They also work in conjunction with them. A floorboard is a large inflexible unit that if by chance it folds up the entire board folds.
TwinPegs will fold independently of the original pegs. They are more narrow as well to provide better travel past common obstacles on the trails without losing function of the original pegs. It does not take much of a stretch of the imagination to understand the results of riding through rocks, roots and other such objects that will hook onto, fold or even tear off a floorboard. Yes floorboards are the same as TwinPegs in basic function. When used in the same environments there is going to be a drastically different result due to very real functional and design differences.
The quality of this emission is just insane, great guys !
2:55 -- not quite. Standing on the pegs, not only are you reducing the amount of upward force that the mass of your body adds to the entire package, but you are also allowing the shock absorbers to do a better job, by reducing the amount of damping that they have to do. Insulating each mass from the others makes control of individual masses easier (try pushing a chain).
Yes, but from the simple view of the bike being a mass and the rider being a mass what he said already holds true. So there is no need to complicate his explanation by adding the workings of a suspension into the mix. Would he have done that I am certain someone wouldve commented „Not quite, what if I perfectly tune the spring rate and dampers of my suspension to the combined weight of my bike including myself and then suddenly I am standing up, absorbing bumbs with my legs?“ There is always one more minor „not quite…“ in physics explanations
@@ritterkeks The more you understand about the dynamics, the more you can make them work for you.
I don't understand what you're saying. Standing on the pegs does not change your mass. What upward force? Standing or sitting, your sprung mass is the same so how do you reduce the load on the shocks? Way to complicate a simple explanation.
@@sv650nyc7 Total mas doesn't change, but you are reducing the mass into smaller, lighter sections, which are moving in relation to each other.
Another example of this is when a freight train starts or stops. By having some "draw" in the couplers, only one car at a time must start or stop moving at any moment. The overall weight of the consist doesn't change, only how those weights interact with each other.
@@sv650nyc7 Sitting or standing may not change the total mass, but it changes where that mass has an effect of the bike. Try this, put 100lbs on the seat of the bike and move your bike around in the garage. Now put that weight on the pegs and move your bike again. I bet you will find the bike a lot easier to control with the weight at the pegs rather than on the seat. That's what your changing when you stand or sit while riding. This is reason so many people prefer BMW GS or GSA 1200 /1250. Everything is down low and makes the bike easier to control and when you stand, you put that much more weight down low making these bikes the easiest to low speed control vs a top heavy bike.
Crisp beautiful visuals + understandable physics explanations + snappy dialogue = another amazing Fortnine video
I definitely use the pegs as much as possible. On a sportbike I think using your legs gets the weight off the handlebars and your wrists and makes the bike handle better.
Would it not be better to make an improved motorcycle? Change the weight distribution by moving the rider, engine and tank to optimise those factors.
If you can stand properly on the pegs without gripping the bars, then yes. Also it's not about "getting weight off the handlebars", that really depends on the surface.
Sitting or standing, you should be loose on the bars.
> It gets the weight off the handlebars
Nonsense, it gets more weight ON the handlebars because you usually sit further back compared to standing. Please don't perpetuate another pseudoscience BS. The reason why handlings get improved is something else.
@@thomas316 kind of works that way. The suspension absorbs the bump and dissapstes it in the shocks, but when it's too much it pushes up into the rider. The sitting rider moves with the bike and this can get launched off the bike. The loosely standing rider uses his/her thighs as a second suspension, absorbing the movement of the bike so the rider stays in control. This is of course work so you will get tired as you do mini squats on every big bump
@@barryobrien1890 Should just put a suspension in the seat, like a power boat seat where it absorbs bumps by being independently sprung and damped. 🧐
This method of standing was actually created by a senior with Rheumatoid arthritis. It enables 75 yr. old FARTS like me to continue riding when my knees swell up like balloons and don't bend that well. Riding for long periods of time sitting can be extremely painful. By standing yes even on the highway I am able to ease the pain and ride for most of the day. I ride about half of the time standing on the highway. It also gives me what I crave and that is all of the attention from passing motorists wondering what the hell I am doing. The only real issue that I face is getting on and off the bike as my right leg which is the one that bends the most can be a challenge to get it over the seat. I could change to something with a lower seat (street bike ug) but then I would not have the joy of pain relief by standing and of course riding all of the dirt roads and trails that I love so much! RIDING TILL MY LAST BREATH!
great video and for anyone wondering what song is when they roll credits : Soleil - Rise Up Now
i knew i can find this comment with the help of ctrl+f thanks stranger you saved me the struggle of shazaming
dude, literally just bought a RE Himalayan and was worried about that specific thing
Keep up the great work my man
Another informative excellently made content F9 crew. And, Canada definitely has beautiful riding trails! Must see to believe
Unfortunately the reality is that Canada's trails are relatively few and far -- very far -- in between. Areas that I used to ride as a kid are now all locked down by resource companies. And any good single track that's out there tends to be a secret jealously protected by the locals, not that I blame them. As well Canadians in general look down on those damned off-roaders and their nature destroying machines. You risk many scowling gazes of disapproval and haughty clucking of tongues by venturing out on public land.
Can somebody, anybody PLEASE tell me what the ending song is called?
PNW trail rider here ;)
I love to see things like this reach the masses.
Sole street riders struggle with these concepts the most. Keep these things in mind. Road or dirt.
Thanks for explaining scientifically what all of us dorky ADV riders have known for years! That hockey stick though! LOL
And let's not forget the bloody axe! Felt like Ryan filmed this with spare Halloween props. Love it.
Hockey Sticks 🏒 in the road in Canada 🇨🇦 as common as Tumbleweeds rolling about in Montana! Lol 😝
Every time a Fortnine educational video is released, another squadron of internet "expert riding advice" trolls dies inside. One by one, you'll get 'em all. Love you man.
This is beautiful because F9 delivers an interesting and informative video, and then seamlessly provides me with a great solution to the problem they just described. They don't jest tell me the problem, they provide a legitimate solution. That was very satisfying to watch 👏
I'm so damn glad he doesn't ask for "Like, subscribe and ding-dong!". 5 minutes of quality!
Great lesson in physics. What’s funny is when you see an “adventure” rider stand up when entering a gravel parking lot thinking since they’re “off road” they should stand up.
And the BMW "adventure" guys who stand up entering Starbucks or the campground at 10 MPH so they can look just like the Charlie and Ewan wankers.
Some of us adventure riders stand up because our seats suck and our asses get really sore lol
It is mostly about an opportunity for crotch ventilation, not taking action poses.
More please. Any video you feel like making. Best channel on UA-cam.
Also good for stretching your legs on a long ride as well as letting more airflow around the crotch, cooling you off and aiding comfort. Do it all the time on highways on hot days.
On longer trips, I found I did that instinctively. It just seemed to make sense.
Blod for the bum and air for the package. Win wind!
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The best motorcycle channel on the planet
When I need to air out the boys I stand …
Same.
(Professor FortNine) "Well, that concludes our class for today students. Please remember to do your homework!" Excellent as always!
Cheers!
Offroad motorcycles need an independently sprung pegs and seat assembly really. Much like the double chassis on a truck or F1 car, one lower suspension system optimised for handling and the other upper suspension optimised for comfort.
That independent upper assembly is your legs.
The production quality of this channel is insane.
4:24 name of the song plz
Rise up now- Soleil
@@dibyaranjanoram9056 Thanks
Aussie here, I love the comment about resisting tipping. As a bi motorcyclist, I'm intrigued by this 'double pegging' concept lol.
Those twins feet pegs... How could I not think of that earlier? Your channel is so inspiring sir. Thank you.
Great video. I think everyone should start out on trail riding dirt bikes for their first motorcycle. Teaches so much with a much lower risk of injury!
Don’t have any ability to ride off road for several hours in any direction of where I live, but I still love these videos lol
No matter the video content. This channel always produce the best quality ever. Ryan and FortNine just gives better reviews
I have NEVER ridden a Motorcycle in My Life but Ryan F9 You have earned a Subscription...
I Remember the Stuff You talk about going Way Above My Head in Calculus and Physics...
I Should have paid more Attention in School...
TY for the Education and Excellent Production...
God Bless