It's fascinating you managed to cram three interesting topics into one video: g-g charts & product to get one, yamaha r7 review, and educational video on how to be a better rider!
As with everything in life, that’s a matter of opinion 😊 It’s interesting as a channel, but I get flashbacks to my schooldays which isn’t the reason I got into biking lol. Each to their own though, live and let live.
@@KurlachRyan's work is a full tank of fresh air in a world of bros who record themselves reading off a script in front of a camera or simply posting 30 minutes of unedited vlogging riding their bikes on ugly stroads. If anything, it is amazing to find content that satiates both my interests in scientific subjects and motorcycling with such a production level. Although I can understand it, if that's not what you want for your motorcycling content you can go ahead and watch literally any other channel around.
This is the best way I've seen to explain how to properly take a corner and why. So simple and so effective, as all of Ryan's video's. Still can't believe you don't have your own show on a streaming service.
Only thing not specifically covered, but aluded to, is that on street there are constantly changing conditions...even on a road you ride every day. On the track they mostly stay the same or at least very similar over a given period of time. Where this is an issue is normally on the corner entry into a blind corner...balancing the limit of lateral and longitudinal grip is risky so slow in, fast out has its place. I totally agree, super clear explination that the transitions are what we get wrong. I still have not always mastered it car racing and the I do probably 8 hours a year WtW and another 8 on the track in test and tune....for about 10 years.
Obviously he has UA-cam, but he can do more than one thing at a time. He has a talent for presenting quite complex subjects very well without dumbing it down and having an engineering degree, I can see him presenting a tech show or something like that. His dry wit also makes it a lot of fun to watch. I'd love to see Ryan do more things, as he makes great content, not move away from UA-cam. Like The Grand Tour trio, who all have their own shows but still do The Grand Tour.
Kudos to you for showing your 'less than ideal' GG chart. Most riders wouldn’t dare. While we all should always be striving to improve our skills, a certain nirvana hits once we realize we’ll never ride like Rossi. It is at that point you find you’re comfortable with your 'less than ideal' abilities and now you can start to enjoy every moment on the bike.
@@manbunmyname5866 Oh, I’m leaving some then. One of my bikes has ABS. On a planned hard stop (non-emergency), the ABS kicks in and lengthens the stopping distance.
Reality is learning those gaps involvves taking risks and making mistakes most riders aren't prepared to. In my first couple of years I came off so often pushing those boundaries. Luckily the old naked UJM's were a lot tougher than modern plastic fantastics. A set of new bars, a lever and maybe a footpeg and you were back up and running. Something to be said for say a 650 GT in the modern market.
@@SushiArmageddon it certainly is, if held for more than a few seconds. The dense body organs, heart, lungs become detached at that level. Even fighter pilots only handle 9Gs, for very very brief periods, & that’s with training & G suits.
@@SushiArmageddon No, you don’t need 50+. Sustained at even 6-8 is fatal. Think about the physics. At even 10G, a 220lb person is now supporting one full tonne.
I've heard of trailbreaking in car racing first, where it's a crucial technique to increase the weight / traction on the front tires and helping to rotate the car into the corner. You essentially learn it by braking later and later and later, which at some point forces you to start mixing steering with braking, which is trailbraking. When you learn trailbraking, your laptime takes a little leap.
Just like the G spot, the perfect G-G chart requires a deft finger, good posture, the right balance between slowing down and speeding up as well as good practice, to make you truly a pro at hitting it right every time.. :)
And just like ladies, finding the right motorcycle takes time, effort and money. Your current one suits your needs, but you still end up oogling the younger models. You push her over the limit sometimes, but with the right equipment might make it unscathed and learn a thing or two in the process. And being more flexible, muscular and lean is quite beneficial but in no way a necessity.
Yamaha does more demo events than any other major manufacturer, definitely get a ride on one before you decide to go that way, the ergos are not for everyone.
i just got my r7 a week ago and absolutely love it!! granted it is my first bike so i don’t have much to compare to, but it seems like a wonderful experience so far.
Keeping a fairly constant G force on the bike, but changing the direction of that force going into and out of the corner just makes you feel like a racer, even at 40mph on a country road. Great video as always, I hope you and your team have a great Christmas.
Fabulous presentation. I'm in my eighth decade and you're the best "teacher" I've ever seen (besides myself). I wish you'd been available to me when I started riding (1955 on a Cushman Eagle). Rock on!
Finally! An understandable (and funny) traction-pie explanation for max performance. Unfortunately it's about 30 years too late for my racing "career" ;) Love the channel and the tech/physics segments!
It's just mesmerizing to watch your videos. Combining a Yamaha R7 review, in depth topics like G-G charts and riding techniques into an educational videos is staggering. Very well packaged, quality content it is. Keep up the good work Ryan and Team F9!
The dyno chart for you R6 should have torque and HP cross at 5252. I have to say though, I’ve watched dozens of videos of yours over the past couple days and you are by far one of the most interesting, Knowledgeable and passionate UA-camrs, period! Keep up the great work!
Some of us actually do , it just depends what budged you have , someone with a r1m really needs to be Rossi to outride his bike . I can say I have outridden my SV 650 on multiple occasions
@@DrKampfpudding I get that , sometimes I feel like I've outridden sportsters I've had . However I was generalizing and have an understanding that even a grom can kill you , situation dependent.
Dirt bikes I would say are even more extreme in this regard. You see guys on 450s throttling all over the track and ripping long straights only to see them being lapped by some kid on a 125 who can actually ride.
Awesome video. All these concepts make sense coming from a car enthusiast background, but it is a lot scarier to apply the theory in reality. But I think this video helped me with just trusting my gut feeling when trail braking.
Thank you so much, for not feeling the need to post 3 days a week and post interesting videos instead. You have some of the best videos I watch on UA-cam, thank you again for that.
I've clocked up 1200km so far on my R7 and I love it. You've done it a good justice with this video, that's for sure. A lot of reviewers just don't get it (albeit a lot do) and you've really hit the nail on the head. Now to get a G-G Meter and see if I'm riding my R7 to its potential.
Nice detail about the MT-07. I have ridden mine for 6 years (bought as new when I got the license) and have started maxing out the suspension. A wonderful bike that I recommend to all beginners and somewhat experienced, but not so much to fast cornering riders. Thank you for yet another instructive video! I'll check the G-readings from my track days with this new insight and hopefully get faster. Much appreciation from Denmark (yeah, I speak on behalf of everybody here) 😉
In my third year with my mt 07. Still loving it. Still don't want to change. But I think I still have things to learn, because I am yet to max out the suspension.
I think there's a "fix" that includes spending shortening something inside the forks. I think I learned about it from Dave moss? Search for his videos, might be something you can do over the winter
@@chrishavill6458 the front has too much preload essentially removing the sag. I think the pipes inside should be shortened about 20 mm, but Moss is the guy to watch. The rear is mediocre, but can be upgraded fairly cheap. Yet another winter project 🙂
Excellent video. I'm sure FortNine knows this. The GG chart is also known as the traction circle. A more advanced look is that the loop isn't a perfect circle. The G limits in forward/back are1.2 and 2.0. The side to side limits are 1.5 G. If you go half way up the limit curve between 1.5 and 1.2 and look at the component in each axis you might find that it is .8G accelerating and 1.0G cornering (centrifugal) force. This is a total force of 1.8G which larger than 1.2 or 1.5. The G forces add in vector (heel to toe) fashion, not linear fashion. A racer using a total force of 1.8G can smoke a rider limited to 1.5G. Trail braking in and accelerating out puts you in the gravy spot of accelerating and cornering simultaneously. On the street you want to leave lots of safety margin. Even on the track if you have responsibilities to fulfil. Those pesky mortgage payments and your daughter's ballet lessons.
@@brunoo.sanchez7175 You are correct. It is a kind of subtle thing. The point is that the linear sum of the individual forces is greater than the vector sum (assuming both are non-zero). If you only brake or only turn, (one force is 0) your linear sum is limited to the single axis. Being able to exert more linear sum force is better. It takes a shorter time to get through the corner braking AND cornering. Speed = distance/time. If you work through the math this will be the result.
@@BTrain-is8ch You get some benefit below the maximum. Consider overcooking a corner entry. You are going too fast to keep that radius of turn. So, you roll of the throttle and smoothly apply the brakes. Now you are in the traction circle. The sum of your cornering force and braking force can be greater than just the cornering force you started with. This is why you don't want to give up on a corner. You can go from outside the limit to back inside the limit if you keep your wits about you. Unless you really overcooked it. Then you are toast.
@@MrBCRC wow, I had never thought about that. I grew up around cricket, so it never seemed weird. Now that you've pointed this difference out though, I can see how it would confuse new comers.
@@tappajaav the back is generally not flat. If you were to cut through the bat across its length, you would see a cross section like a typical child's drawing of a house (rectangle with triangle on top) but stretched wider i.e. there is a triangular ridge running up the back. Presumably this adds extra mass and strength to the bat.
I imagine my G-G chart closely resembles the wall behind the unlucky fellows at the St Valentines Day Massacre. Yet...I'm ok with that . I'm 62 and my current bike is 40...as were my previous 2. Neither bike nor rider is overly enthusiastic about the exploring the other side of the line, so my chart is less G-G and more trying to maximize the WHEEEEEE...!!! and minimizing the OUCHDAMMIT!!!! To that effort, I do employ a bit of a lean to keep the bike more upright around corners...but more for butt comfort...than butt clenching, limit seeking. Thanks, Ryan.
I can't understand how ahead of every other channel fortnine is, this content is light years of interest ahead of every other motorcycle content on youtube.
I also have a horizontal oval shaped GG graph on my WeeStrom which is why my front tyre is worn out before my rear. When I was younger, rear tyre wore out quicker than front.
Another brilliant video! The R7 isn't a bike I'd ever considered, but you make me think about my own rides and how much different they are from that R7.
Can't wait to try this on my new bike! In 4 months when the snow is gone 😭. I swear your team can make anything interesting and it has me excited for every new upload!
Absolutely love this! I've been doing this with a lot less sophistication in my car... Trail brake, feel tire limit into the corner, and on the throttle as fast as you feel the g force start leaving. Unlike a bike, with a car you can leave a bit of slack in the steering wheel, so when there's a bump mid-corner, you're cars steering angle widens on bump so that when the front suspension rebounds, your steering input isn't too much for the added weight on the front wheels. Once you can do this you'll have a better idea of your cars body roll, and can get it to roll before the corner and hold it, less bouncing. Pretty much you use the body roll to tell you if you hit the "g max" and can play with the throttle and brake to help make the body roll happen predictably. "slow is smooth, smooth is fast" -mikeonbikes or you, Ryan :)
Absolutely love my r7. It's my first bike and I feel that it's a great (for responsible riders) learning bike. Mechanically simple and very manageable yet still fun power.
It's a great bike. My first bike was an RM80 when I was 10 in the 90s, but if we're talking modern street-legal bikes the R7 is a great choice. More recently, I had a 2020 Vitpilen 401 (a rebadges KTM Duke 390 more or less) that I really loved. Had up-down quickshift, could do power-wheelies, stoppies, lean like a dream, etc. A great bike for short-medium commutes. I have a 2023 Street Triple 765 RS (carbon black, as with the Striples it's honestly now easier to figure out modern years by color given the confusion between the 23s and 24s). It's probably my favorite bike so far.
Yamaha has done this every ten years or so..they did the same thing with the SZR 660. A dirt bike single in a lovely frame and a racing ride position...crazy kids. Thanks for the best motorcycle videos....
I'm the dot at 0,0 falling over stationary. Oh well, at least I can enjoy your fantastic videos. I may not have an interest in all of your topics, but I so greatly enjoy your presentation, production values, I always watch.
ctrl + f "I don't have a bike but I love your videos" and find several hits for the exact same comment including the double thumbs up from different accounts... why?
I'm a pretty fast mid pack plus club racer and I feel like I have a graph in my head when trail breaking and launching out of a corner. As I lean and lean I lift my brake finger at about the same rate and it's surprising what you can do at lean safely while railing. Learning how to turn fast while racing down at Chuckwalla has been one of the highlights of my life so far. Pushing the limits of two wheels is amazing.
Excellent topics for clean (track performance) road surfaces. However, on public (imperfect) roads, the bikes maximum performance abilities are not the limiting factors to creating one's personal g-g chart. Trying to ride from messiahs level to gods level on public roads is very irresponsible...
Good video for riders striving to be racers. Out on the street there are too many variants to try to ride at the max G-G..road imperfections, debris, animals, oncoming traffic, speed traps, etc. Riding at 8 or 9 tenths is the way to stay safe.
New sub…You are a master story teller and your the best blackboard/ ride board educator I’ve ever seen…..I am concerned as a master mathematical magician you are still wearing a lcd watch from 1978. I had the same one in middle school… You truly have a great show!
Ryan, thank you! You just made me realize that since I have an assist and slipper clutch, I don't have to ease out the clutch when down shifting... It's a holdover from when I rode sport bikes without assist and slipper clutch. Blip, then ease out. Cheers!
Ryan Please consider making more content, all that holds you down from being top influencer/entertainer/instructor/comedian etc is the low number of videos and how short they are. Of course everyone watches every second but we need more content and duration. Hell I would watch Ryan every day, make and drink coffee or walk the dog, doing dishes, whatever, the guy is a media genius and we are here because we love him.
If you're a new rider you'll probably come across what trail breaking is and if you do, please dont try it... not until you can go 20kph in a 90° corner id say, you need to learn many more things before even thinking about learning trail breaking.
@@bobturnbull18 i dont know what you mean. Maybe the 20kph comparison was a bit stupid. I was trying to say that trail breaking is dangerous for new beginners, as it requires a lot more skill than it is explained by youtubers. To say " *just* slowly let go of brake pressure " is equal to " *just* get good grades and be successful " . Sure man, let me "just" do that.
This topic is exactly why I'm riding a modified GPZ500S on road and track (couldn't afford an R7, and don't think my wrists would cope). After 16yrs off a bike I wanted a capable light-middleweight to relearn my skills. Learning to go fast on a slow bike is so rewarding and a lot of fun.
When someone finds a machine that compliments their abilities while challenging them in a positive way maximizes the rider's potential is an intoxicating feeling. That is a very special bike, no matter what it is.
@ryan ive used those gloves for years. im pretty sure you recommended them to us a while back in one of your gear guides. glad to see you sticking to your guns
i find it so fascinating how you achieve a video level of a disney short or a slept on low budget netflix show with "only" 1.77 million subs like this actually fascinates me keep up the good work!
This is the best R7 review and you threw in all the extra about GG diagrams this is why you guys are the best motorbike channel and also why I bought an R7 😂
It's fascinating you managed to cram three interesting topics into one video: g-g charts & product to get one, yamaha r7 review, and educational video on how to be a better rider!
and crucial info about having sex in a kayak
All in under 10 minutes
And why braking in corners with soft forks is a no go
And a joke on cricket too! Bloody impressive as usual!
well said @eugeneyunak , i was thinking exactly the same :D
Dear Ryan and the entire F9 team,
thank you.
- A German Motorcycle Safety Trainer
Do you train people who don't ride BMW's?
@hanshuber456 Didn’t you fall off Nakatomi Plaza?
@@1998TDM The least of people in Germany ride BMW's
@@MrDeepseadweller 🤣🤣🤣
Underrated comment!
@@MrDeepseadweller That'd be Gruber, not Huber.
Seriously though, this is by such a wide margin the consistently best motorcycling channel on the internet.
As with everything in life, that’s a matter of opinion 😊 It’s interesting as a channel, but I get flashbacks to my schooldays which isn’t the reason I got into biking lol.
Each to their own though, live and let live.
I agree. My only complaint is that this kind of quality takes time, so we can't get F9 videos nearly as often as I'd like.
there was some screeching from the tesla bros about this channel, i think they were hopped up on feelgoods till the tesla hitting bikers vid came out.
@@felderup really? I haven't seen any of that, though I can imagine the Musk minions losing their minds over the video.
@@KurlachRyan's work is a full tank of fresh air in a world of bros who record themselves reading off a script in front of a camera or simply posting 30 minutes of unedited vlogging riding their bikes on ugly stroads. If anything, it is amazing to find content that satiates both my interests in scientific subjects and motorcycling with such a production level.
Although I can understand it, if that's not what you want for your motorcycling content you can go ahead and watch literally any other channel around.
Master of synthesis. Lots of topics in less than 10 minutes, and keeping it cool for us smoothbrains 👌
This is the best way I've seen to explain how to properly take a corner and why. So simple and so effective, as all of Ryan's video's. Still can't believe you don't have your own show on a streaming service.
He does. It's called UA-cam.
If you'd rather pay to watch, you can donate a few dollars by clicking on his links.
Only thing not specifically covered, but aluded to, is that on street there are constantly changing conditions...even on a road you ride every day. On the track they mostly stay the same or at least very similar over a given period of time.
Where this is an issue is normally on the corner entry into a blind corner...balancing the limit of lateral and longitudinal grip is risky so slow in, fast out has its place.
I totally agree, super clear explination that the transitions are what we get wrong. I still have not always mastered it car racing and the I do probably 8 hours a year WtW and another 8 on the track in test and tune....for about 10 years.
Obviously he has UA-cam, but he can do more than one thing at a time. He has a talent for presenting quite complex subjects very well without dumbing it down and having an engineering degree, I can see him presenting a tech show or something like that.
His dry wit also makes it a lot of fun to watch.
I'd love to see Ryan do more things, as he makes great content, not move away from UA-cam. Like The Grand Tour trio, who all have their own shows but still do The Grand Tour.
youtube is pennies... networks/streaming = dollars. simple as that.
Kudos to you for showing your 'less than ideal' GG chart. Most riders wouldn’t dare. While we all should always be striving to improve our skills, a certain nirvana hits once we realize we’ll never ride like Rossi. It is at that point you find you’re comfortable with your 'less than ideal' abilities and now you can start to enjoy every moment on the bike.
'less than ideal'
It looks pretty impressive to me. My radii would be quite a bit smaller for sure.
@@billparker8954 I wouldn’t want to know what mine looks like. It would be good to know if I’m leaving any braking on the table.
@@blipco5 If your rear tire isn't floating as you enter the corner... you're definitely leaving some braking on the table.
@@manbunmyname5866 Oh, I’m leaving some then. One of my bikes has ABS. On a planned hard stop (non-emergency), the ABS kicks in and lengthens the stopping distance.
Reality is learning those gaps involvves taking risks and making mistakes most riders aren't prepared to.
In my first couple of years I came off so often pushing those boundaries. Luckily the old naked UJM's were a lot tougher than modern plastic fantastics. A set of new bars, a lever and maybe a footpeg and you were back up and running. Something to be said for say a 650 GT in the modern market.
"Newbies can hit TEN G--once." Oh my gosh that got me 😂
Ten g isn't that much
@@SushiArmageddon do it then
@@Electro2040k an impact from a motorcycle crash, one that would break bones and things like that would be more like 50+ g's.
@@SushiArmageddon it certainly is, if held for more than a few seconds. The dense body organs, heart, lungs become detached at that level. Even fighter pilots only handle 9Gs, for very very brief periods, & that’s with training & G suits.
@@SushiArmageddon No, you don’t need 50+. Sustained at even 6-8 is fatal. Think about the physics. At even 10G, a 220lb person is now supporting one full tonne.
I've heard of trailbreaking in car racing first, where it's a crucial technique to increase the weight / traction on the front tires and helping to rotate the car into the corner. You essentially learn it by braking later and later and later, which at some point forces you to start mixing steering with braking, which is trailbraking. When you learn trailbraking, your laptime takes a little leap.
I remember left foot braking through corners on highway 9 in ca a decade a go. Good times
key word, Racing, if anyone needs to trail brake in a public road/highway, they are going way too fast.
@@mannyechaluce3814 Nice. I've mastered trail braking without ever going to the track.
@@mannyechaluce3814 Roads are made to drive fast, otherwise I would take the train😊
As always, Ryan and the F9 crew setting the absolute standard of motorcycle videos on any platform today. Love it.
If videos like this were shown in high school math classes, you'd get a lot more engineering students in uni.
Just like the G spot, the perfect G-G chart requires a deft finger, good posture, the right balance between slowing down and speeding up as well as good practice, to make you truly a pro at hitting it right every time.. :)
This line was sadly lost in the editing suite...
/Totally not humping my motorcycle seat
Also good hand eye coordination.
And just like ladies, finding the right motorcycle takes time, effort and money.
Your current one suits your needs, but you still end up oogling the younger models.
You push her over the limit sometimes, but with the right equipment might make it unscathed and learn a thing or two in the process.
And being more flexible, muscular and lean is quite beneficial but in no way a necessity.
A bike review and an educational tutorial at the same time. F9 doesn't miss. I kind of want an R7 now lol
I know, right? I'm an adv/dual sport/vintage type rider, with zero interest in sport bikes, but now I find myself wanting an R7.
Honestly ignore the hate it gets, I’ve been riding one for about 6 months and it’s absolutely awesome.
Yamaha does more demo events than any other major manufacturer, definitely get a ride on one before you decide to go that way, the ergos are not for everyone.
i just got my r7 a week ago and absolutely love it!! granted it is my first bike so i don’t have much to compare to, but it seems like a wonderful experience so far.
Keeping a fairly constant G force on the bike, but changing the direction of that force going into and out of the corner just makes you feel like a racer, even at 40mph on a country road. Great video as always, I hope you and your team have a great Christmas.
The high lateral g's at low speed is where is at.
I have a somewhat unsophisticated bike but have a blast on the Appalachian back roads
@@littlet-rex8839 Some of the best roads! I was in OH, WV, MD, and PA in Oct. Beautiful.
The camera angle viewing you and the clutch at 4:03 is insane
Extremely well done. Even without the cameraman
Fabulous presentation. I'm in my eighth decade and you're the best "teacher" I've ever seen (besides myself). I wish you'd been available to me when I started riding (1955 on a Cushman Eagle). Rock on!
Finally! An understandable (and funny) traction-pie explanation for max performance. Unfortunately it's about 30 years too late for my racing "career" ;) Love the channel and the tech/physics segments!
Ryan pushing the limits of traction and age restriction.
It's just mesmerizing to watch your videos. Combining a Yamaha R7 review, in depth topics like G-G charts and riding techniques into an educational videos is staggering. Very well packaged, quality content it is. Keep up the good work Ryan and Team F9!
The dyno chart for you R6 should have torque and HP cross at 5252.
I have to say though, I’ve watched dozens of videos of yours over the past couple days and you are by far one of the most interesting, Knowledgeable and passionate UA-camrs, period! Keep up the great work!
One thing alot of people won't admit or often forget , say it with me , I can NOT outride my bike. Great video , I wish we saw more f9.
Some of us actually do , it just depends what budged you have , someone with a r1m really needs to be Rossi to outride his bike .
I can say I have outridden my SV 650 on multiple occasions
@@DrKampfpudding I get that , sometimes I feel like I've outridden sportsters I've had . However I was generalizing and have an understanding that even a grom can kill you , situation dependent.
Dirt bikes I would say are even more extreme in this regard. You see guys on 450s throttling all over the track and ripping long straights only to see them being lapped by some kid on a 125 who can actually ride.
Only bike i felt i rode to it's potential was an 82' xl 185. Nothing since.
You’re a genius at explaining these things and doing it in such a way to keep us smoothbrains both entertained and intrigued. Keep up the great work
Brilliant brother! Even the wife came and sat down laughing at the V-word at the start and stayed watching intently to the end. Well done!
Awesome video. All these concepts make sense coming from a car enthusiast background, but it is a lot scarier to apply the theory in reality. But I think this video helped me with just trusting my gut feeling when trail braking.
Hope Yamaha is paying you for this.
It's one of the best motorcycle advertisements I've seen all year.
Thank you so much, for not feeling the need to post 3 days a week and post interesting videos instead. You have some of the best videos I watch on UA-cam, thank you again for that.
I don't always follow each and every physics point in your videos. But I DO love the physics! Makes me stretch my mind.
8:35 Another factor is the tyre radius is smaller on the outside of the contact patch essentially changing your gear ratio when leaning.
At explaining the general friction circle, this was the best short discussion video I have ever seen.
Really amazing how much practical and usable wisdom we got from such a crisp video although I've never been to the track and not planning to either..
My 1 yr old daughter settled down with your videos.
Amazing I have been watching you for ages
I've clocked up 1200km so far on my R7 and I love it. You've done it a good justice with this video, that's for sure. A lot of reviewers just don't get it (albeit a lot do) and you've really hit the nail on the head. Now to get a G-G Meter and see if I'm riding my R7 to its potential.
I broke my wrists long ago, and I ride a Z400. How bad is the pressure on your wrists?
@@NaleeTamawong honestly not too bad. Certainly worse than a cruiser or naked but for how leaned it is, I’m surprised at how comfortable it is.
Nice detail about the MT-07. I have ridden mine for 6 years (bought as new when I got the license) and have started maxing out the suspension. A wonderful bike that I recommend to all beginners and somewhat experienced, but not so much to fast cornering riders.
Thank you for yet another instructive video! I'll check the G-readings from my track days with this new insight and hopefully get faster. Much appreciation from Denmark (yeah, I speak on behalf of everybody here) 😉
In my third year with my mt 07. Still loving it. Still don't want to change. But I think I still have things to learn, because I am yet to max out the suspension.
I think there's a "fix" that includes spending shortening something inside the forks. I think I learned about it from Dave moss? Search for his videos, might be something you can do over the winter
@@chrishavill6458 the front has too much preload essentially removing the sag. I think the pipes inside should be shortened about 20 mm, but Moss is the guy to watch.
The rear is mediocre, but can be upgraded fairly cheap. Yet another winter project 🙂
Excellent video. I'm sure FortNine knows this. The GG chart is also known as the traction circle. A more advanced look is that the loop isn't a perfect circle. The G limits in forward/back are1.2 and 2.0. The side to side limits are 1.5 G. If you go half way up the limit curve between 1.5 and 1.2 and look at the component in each axis you might find that it is .8G accelerating and 1.0G cornering (centrifugal) force. This is a total force of 1.8G which larger than 1.2 or 1.5. The G forces add in vector (heel to toe) fashion, not linear fashion. A racer using a total force of 1.8G can smoke a rider limited to 1.5G. Trail braking in and accelerating out puts you in the gravy spot of accelerating and cornering simultaneously. On the street you want to leave lots of safety margin. Even on the track if you have responsibilities to fulfil. Those pesky mortgage payments and your daughter's ballet lessons.
Isn’t that you need to calculate the total force using the module of the vector? 0.8 and 1.0 gives me a total force of 1.28 g. What am I missing?
You're also unlikely to be able to hit any of those peaks unless you're a very skilled rider, on a very well set up 1000, on slicks, on a race track.
@@brunoo.sanchez7175 You are correct. It is a kind of subtle thing. The point is that the linear sum of the individual forces is greater than the vector sum (assuming both are non-zero). If you only brake or only turn, (one force is 0) your linear sum is limited to the single axis. Being able to exert more linear sum force is better. It takes a shorter time to get through the corner braking AND cornering. Speed = distance/time. If you work through the math this will be the result.
@@BTrain-is8ch You get some benefit below the maximum. Consider overcooking a corner entry. You are going too fast to keep that radius of turn. So, you roll of the throttle and smoothly apply the brakes. Now you are in the traction circle. The sum of your cornering force and braking force can be greater than just the cornering force you started with. This is why you don't want to give up on a corner. You can go from outside the limit to back inside the limit if you keep your wits about you. Unless you really overcooked it. Then you are toast.
Always taking me to school. As usual, tons of great knowledge with some entertainment thrown in.
It's like cricket. It confuses most people into not trying. LOL. Merry Christmas Ryan and crew, thank you for the great content!
how is hitting a ball with a bat so confusing lol.
@@oldbot64 A bat having a front and a back is extremely complex. That's why some bats were changed to be round.
@@MrBCRC wow, I had never thought about that. I grew up around cricket, so it never seemed weird. Now that you've pointed this difference out though, I can see how it would confuse new comers.
@@2bfrank657 Is there any difference between the front and back?
@@tappajaav the back is generally not flat. If you were to cut through the bat across its length, you would see a cross section like a typical child's drawing of a house (rectangle with triangle on top) but stretched wider i.e. there is a triangular ridge running up the back. Presumably this adds extra mass and strength to the bat.
Absolutely love the video! The explanation of g-g chart is amazing, and also happy to see sport bike getting some love on the channel!
I imagine my G-G chart closely resembles the wall behind the unlucky fellows at the St Valentines Day Massacre. Yet...I'm ok with that . I'm 62 and my current bike is 40...as were my previous 2. Neither bike nor rider is overly enthusiastic about the exploring the other side of the line, so my chart is less G-G and more trying to maximize the WHEEEEEE...!!! and minimizing the OUCHDAMMIT!!!! To that effort, I do employ a bit of a lean to keep the bike more upright around corners...but more for butt comfort...than butt clenching, limit seeking. Thanks, Ryan.
I can't understand how ahead of every other channel fortnine is, this content is light years of interest ahead of every other motorcycle content on youtube.
The Aprilia app has a G-G diagram built in. I can see the G-G for every ride. It’s amazing. I have a sideways oval shape for city riding.
I also have a horizontal oval shaped GG graph on my WeeStrom which is why my front tyre is worn out before my rear. When I was younger, rear tyre wore out quicker than front.
It is always good to wake up and see a new video from best motorcycle crew on UA-cam!
Really really cool stuff Ryan and F9 guys. You're videos are always a pleasure to watch for a data nerd like me.
Incredible! Love from Egypt 🇪🇬
Another brilliant video! The R7 isn't a bike I'd ever considered, but you make me think about my own rides and how much different they are from that R7.
Best description of trail braking I ever heard! Keep up the good work, this channel is the best!!
Can't wait to try this on my new bike! In 4 months when the snow is gone 😭. I swear your team can make anything interesting and it has me excited for every new upload!
I don't ride motorcycles or watch MotorGP. But I enjoying watching these video all the same. Perfect balance of educational and entertaining.
And so we are blessed with another gem.
Man that Netflix soundeffect while shifting! Love the detail
I used to have a motorcycle. Your videos make me want to have a motorcycle again. (And I thought, naively, perhaps, that I'm over it).
Same boat here 😅
@@WatThaDeuceget a pit bike
Absolutely love this! I've been doing this with a lot less sophistication in my car... Trail brake, feel tire limit into the corner, and on the throttle as fast as you feel the g force start leaving. Unlike a bike, with a car you can leave a bit of slack in the steering wheel, so when there's a bump mid-corner, you're cars steering angle widens on bump so that when the front suspension rebounds, your steering input isn't too much for the added weight on the front wheels. Once you can do this you'll have a better idea of your cars body roll, and can get it to roll before the corner and hold it, less bouncing. Pretty much you use the body roll to tell you if you hit the "g max" and can play with the throttle and brake to help make the body roll happen predictably.
"slow is smooth, smooth is fast" -mikeonbikes or you, Ryan :)
Absolutely love my r7. It's my first bike and I feel that it's a great (for responsible riders) learning bike. Mechanically simple and very manageable yet still fun power.
It's a great bike. My first bike was an RM80 when I was 10 in the 90s, but if we're talking modern street-legal bikes the R7 is a great choice. More recently, I had a 2020 Vitpilen 401 (a rebadges KTM Duke 390 more or less) that I really loved. Had up-down quickshift, could do power-wheelies, stoppies, lean like a dream, etc. A great bike for short-medium commutes.
I have a 2023 Street Triple 765 RS (carbon black, as with the Striples it's honestly now easier to figure out modern years by color given the confusion between the 23s and 24s). It's probably my favorite bike so far.
I use XGPS150A, but it's my first time hearing about the friction circle. Fascinating indeed. Also, Cypress mountain!
Thanks for another super interesting and informative episode.
I always learn a lot here.
Yamaha has done this every ten years or so..they did the same thing with the SZR 660. A dirt bike single in a lovely frame and a racing ride position...crazy kids. Thanks for the best motorcycle videos....
I achieve Negative G "accidentally" over a certain crest on one of my favourite roads lol. Terrifying but at the same time it's addictive!
No, you hit zero G. Negative G requires a force pushing you down other than gravity.
@@LTVoyager you don’t know his aero setup
@@andrewahern3730 I doubt he has a wing on his motorcycle.
Absolutely the best explanation on the planet. It’s about time someone put this together so we’ll. Thank you. 👍👍
Ryan, you truly have the most fun AND informative videos. Thank you for what you do.
He really just called out all the highway roll racers lol respect.
I love how this video is simultaneously a how-to to get a better G-G and an excellent advertisement on why the R7 is a pretty darn good beginners bike
"Separates a Messiah from a God", love the cross reference
I just gained a lot of respect for the R7. Thank you for the info and the quality videos. Have a good one my 2 wheel brothers
"How I suck." *proceeds to explain the chart and reveal that he's a god*
I'm the dot at 0,0 falling over stationary. Oh well, at least I can enjoy your fantastic videos. I may not have an interest in all of your topics, but I so greatly enjoy your presentation, production values, I always watch.
I don't have a bike but I love your videos.
Keep up the great work 👍🏻👍🏻
I have a bike and I also love his videos.
ctrl + f "I don't have a bike but I love your videos" and find several hits for the exact same comment including the double thumbs up from different accounts... why?
@@jnh8381 someone is copying my comment for some reason 🤷♂️
I'm a pretty fast mid pack plus club racer and I feel like I have a graph in my head when trail breaking and launching out of a corner. As I lean and lean I lift my brake finger at about the same rate and it's surprising what you can do at lean safely while railing. Learning how to turn fast while racing down at Chuckwalla has been one of the highlights of my life so far. Pushing the limits of two wheels is amazing.
Excellent topics for clean (track performance) road surfaces. However, on public (imperfect) roads, the bikes maximum performance abilities are not the limiting factors to creating one's personal g-g chart. Trying to ride from messiahs level to gods level on public roads is very irresponsible...
Perfect timing, dropping this vid a few minutes before I'm done watching Daily Rider. It's like Saturday morning cartoons!
Same here!
New riders can hit 10g's ONCE! 😂
Rookie numbers.
Good video for riders striving to be racers. Out on the street there are too many variants to try to ride at the max G-G..road imperfections, debris, animals, oncoming traffic, speed traps, etc. Riding at 8 or 9 tenths is the way to stay safe.
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You explained trail braking in a way I finally understand!! Thank you!! My personal Jesus Christ!
0:50 as a firefighter medic I assure you it's not 10G of force
It's *God's* force at that point
New sub…You are a master story teller and your the best blackboard/ ride board educator I’ve ever seen…..I am concerned as a master mathematical magician you are still wearing a lcd watch from 1978. I had the same one in middle school…
You truly have a great show!
We could all use a little help widening the hole in our GG's
My GG hole isn't GGG.
this video explains what i tell everybody for the last ten years since i bought my NC700S. still the best motorcycle
Yamaha, they make motorbikes, pianos and vocaloids
There's a real reason why you have 1.61M subs.. Merry Christmas to you and the gang behind this channel. Here's to 2023.
If you can hit redline in your top gear, then you need another top gear. I thought you knew about this stuff?
Ryan, thank you! You just made me realize that since I have an assist and slipper clutch, I don't have to ease out the clutch when down shifting... It's a holdover from when I rode sport bikes without assist and slipper clutch. Blip, then ease out. Cheers!
Ryan, how often did you have to repeat the red circle on the board, until you hit every point perfectly :D ?
Once. Motorcyclist. All about seeing the line!
Ryan
Please consider making more content, all that holds you down from being top influencer/entertainer/instructor/comedian etc is the low number of videos and how short they are. Of course everyone watches every second but we need more content and duration. Hell I would watch Ryan every day, make and drink coffee or walk the dog, doing dishes, whatever, the guy is a media genius and we are here because we love him.
That most of us are fat joke was on point.
I love watching these videos with a hot cup of coffee! Thanks for making them!
Wait...so now you want me to buy an R7 as well, along with the DesertX you sold me 3 weeks ago?
Another AMAZING exposition of how some cool things work. Thanks!
Rather stay a n00b than have a toy that rides for me. I don't even like the idea of quickshifters
I've learnt more about fast cornering from this video than every other one I've watched combined
If you're a new rider you'll probably come across what trail breaking is and if you do, please dont try it... not until you can go 20kph in a 90° corner id say, you need to learn many more things before even thinking about learning trail breaking.
Is trail breaking what you do when making a new trail through the woods ? Not sure how this relates to trail braking.
@@bobturnbull18 i dont know what you mean.
Maybe the 20kph comparison was a bit stupid. I was trying to say that trail breaking is dangerous for new beginners, as it requires a lot more skill than it is explained by youtubers. To say " *just* slowly let go of brake pressure " is equal to " *just* get good grades and be successful " . Sure man, let me "just" do that.
@@ibrahimdeniz7308 Just commenting on the spelling of breaking versus braking, nothing more than that. I apologize for the confusion.
I just ride carefully and safely. I'm happy.
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This is quite helpful. Never got actual motorcycle training, good to see that my instincts were correct this whole time.
This topic is exactly why I'm riding a modified GPZ500S on road and track (couldn't afford an R7, and don't think my wrists would cope). After 16yrs off a bike I wanted a capable light-middleweight to relearn my skills. Learning to go fast on a slow bike is so rewarding and a lot of fun.
When someone finds a machine that compliments their abilities while challenging them in a positive way maximizes the rider's potential is an intoxicating feeling. That is a very special bike, no matter what it is.
Brilliant video, and Cypress Mountain is the perfect spot to demonstrate.
@ryan
ive used those gloves for years. im pretty sure you recommended them to us a while back in one of your gear guides. glad to see you sticking to your guns
I liked the R7 when I test rode it. I loved how it made my T7 feel when I got back on it to ride home!
i find it so fascinating how you achieve a video level of a disney short or a slept on low budget netflix show with "only" 1.77 million subs like this actually fascinates me keep up the good work!
Just boggles the mind how good these videos are.
Quite surprised to find my clip at 6:50 hahaha
You are famous now see
This is the best R7 review and you threw in all the extra about GG diagrams this is why you guys are the best motorbike channel and also why I bought an R7 😂