"What Is The Cost Of Lies?" | CHERNOBYL | Episode 5 Reaction
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2023
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"Vichnaya Pamyat"
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Episode title "Vichnaya Pamyat" is Ukrainian for "eternal memory" and it's a funeral sermon in orthodox church. The exact sermon which is sung by a church choir at the end of episode.
Based.
it's literally russian
@@skipe94 хуюссиан
@@skipe94 it's Ukrainian language, not Russian. These are separate languages and I can understand their difference.
@mnemet you unironically spelled russian as "ruzzian" so I'm not even gonna take you seriously.
For me, the most emotional part is the tribute to real events with real footage at the end. Every time I watch it I admire the heroes who prevented even bigger consequences of this disaster.
I wish they had named the three divers, they should be remembered by name
Same. The whole show was super stressful. But it was the black and white footage that got me to tears.
Just like with Band of Brothers. The show being about real events makes the emotions hit a lot harder, but nothing makes me weep like the interviews at the end of each episode, especially the last one. Same thing here with Chernobyl
the part, where they mention that chodemchyks body is permanently entombed under the reactor, gets me every time. no one of the reactors seems to pay attention to that
@@vahdoomthey were named in the show, when they stand up to volunteer.
Boris Shcherbina also helped during rescue operation after Armenia earthquake. This earthquake was quite huge - 25 thousands people died, 140 thousand became disabled and half million lost their home. Boris was a talented organizer and leader, who organized and mobilized all resourses needed for helping people
There is actual monument of Scherbina erected in Armenia in memory of him.
@@juriskrumgolds5810I did not know this. That actually brought me to tears. He is definitely one that deserves a monument.
He also realised that they needed help and asked for and got aid from the rest of the world, from search and rescue teams to medical aid and emergency food and clothing. An amazing man.
It's still mindbogling how he managed to became a deputy chair of the cabinet of ministers. In soviet union. The only good and actually competent man among all obedient fools.
@@mariusrutkaus U dont get to that position without fucking ppl over and seing how Boris was in the beginning of the show he definatly hade screwed ppl over to get to where he was. Even Legasov hade screwed jewish scientists over by limiting there promotions earlier in hes life to gain favors with the higher ups. So no chans that Boris climbed that high without doing shady deals.
It all comes together in this episode. The explanation of how the explosion happened is done so well and the scene between Boris and Legasov is *chefs kiss*
"When the bullet hits your skull, what does it matter why!?"
That line gives him away. People like him don't see that this "why" makes all the difference in the world.
People like him are malignant sociopaths.
Would you explain what that line is supposed to mean? I'm not sure I fully understand.
@@jordanhenshaw Basically, nothing matters when you're dead.
@@johnl6176 And what he is forgetting is that death is the fate of all. Your demise is inevitable, so you may as well make it mean something.
While it's a very odd place to draw a quote in this context, Splinter in the first TMNT had a good answer; "Death comes to us all, but something much worse comes for you. For when you die, it will be without honor".
Communism dude...they don't care Why 😂
My dad at that time worked at the nuclear plant in Doel Belgium.... one day when they came in to work... alarms started going off from radiation.... they had to take showers to rinse off the radioactivity.. dad called home and ordered everybody to stay inside and close the windows.... a couple days later.... Chernobyl was in the news... A friend of my dad worked in pipe inspection, and because they take x-rays from pipes.. they have a geiger counter at hand... it went off when somebody had a cup of coffee.... there was contaminated milk from West Germany in it...
I live in Brussels. I was a teenager back then, and we heard these stories.
Same in sweden, that is how they knew that there was a leak, they first thought that it was their own leak, but then later understood that shit was coming from russia/ukraine. So even tho russia tried to keep it a secret the world knew
I was Born 1982 in West Germany and was a child when Chernobyl went down. I was not allowed to play outdoors and the schools and kindergardens had been closed down. I remember this still today. This HBO Series moves me and the Epilog / Tribute at the end of episode 5 breaks me every time again when I see it. People argued that the Bridge of Death is a Myth. Bullshit "The Bridge of Death" was something we learned about in school when we had Chernobyl as Topic. You can guess that even today 5-10% of all upcoming cancer in Central Europe still has its source in Chernobyl so many years back. Even in 100 years you can track down the red line towards chernobyl when investigating the inheritance of cancer.
@@MKev_Gaming knowing, that in the Western countries, far away from Chernobyl, it was prohibited for children to play outdoors, makes it much more ridiculous. Children in Ukraine and Belarus were celebrating Worker's Day on the 1st of the May, for example in Kyiv, only 100km away from Chernobyl power plant. Not mentioning other parts of Ukraine and Belarus.
And some people are asking why so much hate towards Soviet Union. Well, that's only one of the reason.
My family moved from London to a new city around this time. I remember my dad putting plastic over the windows and we thought it was to keep the heat in (we moved from a small little flat to a town house). But looking back on it me and my siblings now think he was probably trying to reduce the impact it would have on us if it turned out to be worse than was being reported. We had a lot of scare stories in the UK at the time. The government banned farming in certain regions, livestock had to be culled and milk had to be dumped, all because the radiation levels from Chernobyl were so high. There are allegedly still hot spots all over Europe, but thankfully nothing serious enough to cause major health concerns.
Boris Shcherbina was a hero. After Chernobyl he did other great things until his death in 1990 four year's after Chernobyl. Shcherbina served in a similar role after the catastrophic 1988 Armenian earthquake. He proposed inviting international rescuers - from Austria and Czechoslovakia - who had thermal imagers and specially trained dogs at their disposal to search for living people. He was a Ukrainian Soviet politician.
The best things about the USSR came from Ukraine. The worst things came from Russia.
Sending our soldiers to Armenia to help out with the Search & Rescue as well as relief effort actually led to creating the AFDRU (Austrian Forces Disaster Relief Unit). Beside securing the supply of clean drinking water, they also managed to save 14 people from the rubble.
Since then, AFDRU has been providing assistance and disaster relief after earthquakes in countries like Mozambique, Sri Lanka, Iran, Pakistan and Turkey, to name a few.
It's sad that it takes great catastrophes and suffering for people to come together.
Ukraine deserved better than the SSR.
@@agp11001 helping Iran? Why?
@@Lorrdd Humanitarian/disaster relief missions don't care about politics. They care about pulling kids out of collapsed buildings.
"That is how an RBMK Reactor explodes; lies." Just a great mic drop moment, one of the great lines.
Especially when same guy asked it to people twice and tried to prove a point with them not responding.
Your editing is excellent for me. In the limited time you hit the scenes that move me the most. You’re better at it than most. Well done and thanks. Incredible series and reaction.
the only thing i missed was the final sentence with the KGB chief, with the comment about printing it on their money.
Also don't understand why all the people ignore or don't include the recognition of Valeri Khodemchuk, whose body couldn't be recovered because he was buried under the reactor remnants
@@thenexus7070
not all...but most.
i guess its not as emotional as the rest.
24:20 -- Did you see Legasov notice the drain in the floor? It was there to drain the water they used to hose down the room after KGB interrogations.
Means people were shot and after which it was cleaned up
They made Dyatlov out to be the bad guy in the series, but in real life, he was shrewd and difficult to work with but not as arrogant or condescending as they made him out to be, he sent some of them home, he vouched for them and during one of the interviews with him you can see the remorse in his expression and his speech. He wasn’t a hero by any stretch but he was no villain. He took responsibility and died from illness as a result of the radiation.
The purpose of them making him out to be this way is to encourage emotion out of you/the viewer. It shows the stubbornness and the blind eye of the Soviets through the prism of Dyatlov
Cinematically-wise, it made perfect sense to have all those scientists represented by one character. It allows us to still experience their significant aid and effort while not being overwhelmed with having to keep track of numerous faces and names. I’m glad that HBO would clarify that, they still honored their trials and efforts without having them misrepresented or ignored.
Also Amazing Fact: the third diver who died was Baranov, and he died of heart disease, no radiation-related whatsoever.
"I would like you to record your command" was the correct thing to say. I was taught that in Army basic training. If an order is illegal, make them write it. (They never will, and they will flip out, but it's the polite way of saying "No")
I think this describes what mankind is, and always will be.
Utter splendid beauty in heroism and sacrifice, and complete horrid ugliness in lies and deceit, all happening at the same time.
An eternal dance of light versus dark, with each and every one of us capable of both.
Great reaction, ty!
Beautifully put
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So, fun fact about the trial in real life. Legasov and Scherbina weren't there - fair enough, they're the main characters, they *should* be at the climax. But the actual expert witnesses presented stuck pretty firmly to the "it was all operator error" line. They guy who *actually* hammered away at the "it was a shitty design, covered up! graphite tips on the control rods!" thing, in real life, was... Anatoly Dyatlov. Both because it was pretty much his only possible defense, and because, really, what did he have to *lose* at that point? And also because the real-life person (who was kind of a jerk and a bad boss, but not quite so one-dimensionally awful as in the show) was genuinely appalled at what had happened and thought that if he'd been told beforehand, he might have been able to make different decisions.
I can see why the writers did it the way they did, but it might at least have been interesting to have Dyatlov, after four and a half episodes of him being a deep-in-denial bullying asshole, now be on the same side as the heroes (even if it's for somewhat selfish reasons).
That sounds a bit odd though. When did Dyatlov get aware of this and how?? It must be after the incident and before the trial, because otherwize it would make no sense that he pressed AZ5, knowing that this would lead to explosion, because of that flaw! But if he got aware of this in this time between, wherefrom would he got that classified information? And why would anybody tell this to him, the accused person??
@@heiko3169why? The alternative is to not lower the control rods? Then it still would have exploded.
@heiko3169 The show is simplifying heavily for time and also for theme. The graphite tips were public knowledge (well, if you were an RBMK reactor engineer at least) and the fact that they could increase power under some circumstances wasn't a state secret, it was in the much more boring category of "theoretical issues that engineers aren't informed about because they will never come up in real life". By a few months after the disaster, the people running the plant operations and the cleanup (including the trial defendants) more or less knew what had happened, even if the details weren't publicized.
In the hypothetical other version of the show, presumably Legasov could get him the paper, and then get arrested by the KGB afterwards just the same, etc.
@@SuperSpecies Yeah, but he argued that he wouldn't have put it in such an unstable state to begin with. Which may or may not be true - everybody did cut corners, and he really wanted the test done - but that was his defense, at any rate.
@@SuperSpecies at that point, yes, you may be right. The route to disaster was already set when he decided to raise the power by removing the cooling.
"This is a real life horror movie" I think this sums up the story of Chernobyl extremely well. Even if it is 5 hours long and split into 5 acts.
In Poland we had verry dark joke:
powerplant director go to minister and say: i have a good news and bad news.
good news are that we filled energy production plan for 10 years.
and bad news is that we did it in 1 second...
So breaking down some things in this episode.
1. Dyatlov wasn't actually like how he was portrayed in the show. The show needed a "villain" and they decided to use him. He never screamed at anyone in the control room that night, threw binders, smacked the book out of Akimovs hands, or anything like that. He, just like everyone else in the control room were professionals, and reflected that in their work. They most likely did that because Dyatlov was known to be tougher and take less shit than the other bosses, so they decided to amplify it for the show.
2. The trial in the show never happened. In reality, there were dozens of trials, meetings, investigations etc. The footage of Dyatlov, Brukanov, and Fomin was taken from a trial that Legasov wasn't even a part of, but again for narrative purposes they decided to make it seem like the truth came out in this one trial when in reality it didn't.
3. The reason the "tips" of the rods are made of graphite is because it just has to do with the geometry of the reactor. Nuclear reactors are very complex and way the fuel and rods are positioned matters a lot. Also it wasn't really the tip of the rods so much as more of the bottom 1/3 of them, but tips just sounded better I guess. This wouldn't matter during normal operations since you would never fully remove almost all of the control rods in the first place.
And just to not scare anyone, an accident like Chernobyl can't happen again. They say this in the show but it's true, no one else in the world uses RBMK reactors, mainly because even in those times it was already known as a shit design, but the Soviet Union being the Soviet Union used them anyway. Them not having containment buildings is also true, and while a containment building wouldn't have completely prevented the roof from being blown apart, it definitely would've helped. Every other nuclear plant in the world except for the ones in the former Soviet Union have containment buildings around them.
The better reactor design already helps prevent another Chernobyl from happening, since with some of them it's physically impossible for such a reaction to take place due to the overall design of the reactor itself. Modern computers are also way better than they were in 80's, and nowadays if you even tried to do something like Chernobyl you wouldn't be able too because the computer physically wouldn't let you and automatically shut the reactor down long before you ever got to that point.
Chernobyl was a wake up call for the Soviets, and after the disaster they did modify all their RBMK reactors to prevent another Chernobyl from happening.
Glad you two enjoyed the series!
One wee caveat, British nuclear power plants don't have containment buildings because our reactors are cooled by carbon dioxide rather than water so the coolant can't produce steam or hydrogen, the two big explosion dangers. Incidentally our AGR reactors also look like bigger versions of RBMK reactors as you can walk across the top of them, you can't do that with BWR, PWR or CANDU reactors as CANDU reactors are vertical (they look like an AGR or RBMK built into a giant wall rather than a floor) while BWR and PWR reactors are encased in giant metal pressure vessels that need you to shut down the reactor for six months and then partially disassemble it in order to refuel it (while AGR, RBMK and CANDU reactors can be refuelled while they are in use).
After Chernoybl the Soviets also modified their government, though that took a little longer.
They only modified their RBMK reactors *after* Legasov's tapes were circulated and the cat was out of the bag.
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Now, imagine it wouldn't have been Gorbachev at the helm of the SU.
@@o.b.7217Stalin
10 out of 10 for your reactions to this great series. You started with very little background on the actual story and it was really rewarding to see you learn the history and react so perceptively and empathetically to it. Beautiful work. (And cheers for picking up on the little detail about the sunflower seeds... I never noticed that in three viewings!)
It should always be remembered that Chernobyl is not a problem fixed, it is a problem contained.
I love seeing young people like you watching this kind of movies, keeping history alive. We should nevder be allowed to forget these things.
I remember after the accident, that we got a warning (in Norway) about the radiation from the accident.
I am sure that if we then knew how serious it was, we would be more worried.
The Soviet Union placed a lid on it, so all we heard was assumptions of what had happened, and that it only had a small impact in the neighboring countries.
Great series, great reaction.
31:55 To be fair, the Soviet Union stopped existing in 1991, not many years after the disaster. Many think the disaster played a role in the fall of USSR.
Gorbachev himself said that it was one of the main reasons the USSR failed.
The Russian Federation is the legal successor of the Soviet Union and could therefore change the numbers. They won't .... but legally they could.
@@Annonymous0283745 No, the Soviet Union was already experiencing an economic crisis in the early 80s, and perestroika completely destroyed it.
tho horrible, chernobyl did one good thing, help end the soviet union...nowadays, more militancy is being destroyed...in similar region
But, the Russian government took up the USSR's responsibilities as their successor, and yet they still haven't changed it. That is the argument that is made.
But, that number is supposed to be representative of those who died in the immediate aftermath, from the blast and radiation poisoning in the weeks after, mostly the plant workers and firefighters. What should be included as part of the death toll is being debated to this day.
Soviet law required the trial to be held in the same jurisdiction as the crime. Afterword: Dyatlov really was like that, according to his surviving colleagues. Not always, but enough. He threatened people's jobs. He claimed to his dying day that he'd been out of the room at the time. The show made Lyudmilla a celeb. She had to move out of Kyiv to keep people from showingt up on her doorstep. She wanted to move on and turned down five offers to come on as a consultant. The dialog about "I told you I'd show you Moscow" plays like Hollywood, but it happened.
Bryukhanov found himself virtually unemployable and ended up a paper pusher in the Ukranian Ministry of Trade. Fomin broke his glasses and cut his wrists awaiting trial. He was released early for mental instability. He was let go of his job at Kalinin for the same reason. The show stuck very close to real events. The biggest rewriting was that Legasov wasn't at the trial. But the results were the same. His colleagues shunned him. He was voted down for Director of the Kirchatov, which he'd expected to get. It broke him. The second biggest is that there was no document with two pages redacted. The designers were aware of the flaw but--planned economy--ran out of time and money to fix it. So they documented it and wrote instructions for the operators. The KGB deemed those--which showed a design flaw--so sensitive that they never made it to Priypat.
The Soviet number is so low because immediately after the accident, they made it illegal to attribute death to radiation sickness.
Thank you for your reaction , it really hits different when you see how someone else relives the tragedy even in a TV format. My father was one of those who went into exclusion zone when all this happened. In fact, some of the shots from a heli and some of miners' work were done by him back then. I consider this masterpiece to his tribute as well.
I know I said this earlier, but now that it's all wrapped up, I wanted to reiterate my earlier point. Both of you did such a fantastic job in this reaction video series. If more reaction channels were like you 2, I would be a much much happier person. Y'all had the perfect amount of reactions, proper conversations, and emotions. As I said previously, you both pay attention to what is going on, without getting caught up in unnecessary discourse. I am most definitely Subscribing to your channel. And one day, when I hopefully get a little more financially stable, I will become a Patreon viewer. This is the first and only thing I've watched on your channel, so far. If your other reactions are as half as good as this one was, I will be more than satisfied. Good job ladies.
Chernobyl and the Three mile island are two of the incidents that make people afraid of nuclear power. The common thread of both of them is greed, wanting to cut corners to save money. Nuclear power is like anything, if you take it seriously and done things properly its safe... If you don't it creates trouble, and its regular people that pay the price. Regular people ALWAYS pay the price.
All people are regular people. Some of them just have an inflated opinion of themselves
@@jwnomadBy regular he probably meant people that don't have any powers to impact the masses. You don't expect a mailman to cause a nuclear meltdown now do you ?
@@oscaka0073 They probably meant what they said, which was that regular people pay the price for negligence. As if there is another group of people that are separate and above other people. But such concepts of class or hierarchy are only illusions designed to control other people and keep them subservient. You are as worthy, accountable and vulnerable as any naked emperor.
This is just not true. A director of a nuclear power plant has substantially more power to affect the world around him than a fire fighter on the front line. It's not about putting people down, it is a reference to how much sway they have to make things happen or not happen around them and also how far that change will carry. If a fire fighter doesnt put out a fire, the house burns down. If the head of a bank leads it into debt, he doesn't suffer the consequences when the bank closes, his customers that put money in the bank do.@@jwnomad
"Anything" doesn't have the power to make the world's breadbasket unusable for at least 5 times longer than written records of human civilization have existed.
Your fanboi deliberate ignorance of proper risk management makes you a big part of the problem.
What about Fukushima? No money to be saved in TEPCO's 30 years of ignoring the advice that keeping back-up generators in a basement in a tsunami zone is a bad idea, but they did it anyway, and nobody even faced charges as a result. Where's that fit in your convenient know-nothing stance on nuclear energy?
No matter how many times I've seen reactions to this phenomenal series, no matter what day of the week or at what time of day I start watching episode 1,
every single time I just have to watch them all back to back.
You girls were amazing, thank you!
I was just a 1 year old when it happened and even back here in Poland my aunt, who was a doctor, advised my mum to give me iodine. Obviously, all media behind the Iron Curtain downplayed the accident.
Your reaction was probably the most emotional I've ever seen on UA-cam. It’s like I'm experiencing this series again, with you...
I know several people who lived near Chernobyl, and they confirm that everything was like that: no one said anything to anyone, people were sent to street demonstrations on May 1 (5 days after the explosion) in Kyiv and Minsk to show that supposedly nothing terrible happened.
Some of these people refuse to watch this show because they don't want to go through the whole thing again. Some people are still angry at the Soviet government for all this.
Thank you for this reaction.
I remember this very well even though I was only 11 at the time. Norway got affected most after Soviet union, and central European countries like Austria and Switzerland. The topography and weather cause a lot of rain after, and combined with the winds a lot of particles ended up there.
Due to this we couldn't eat meat and fish from many areas in Norway for a while.
Hungarian here - my mother was worried that my brother is going to suffer brain damage, she was pregnant at the time and radiation is absorbed by the baby the most - it binds incredibly well like a mineral a growing fetus needs and wants.
This year in the US we had the Ohio train derailment. The official report was that the chemical burn off didn't reach any dangerous levels, but people in the area reported symptoms. We don't have to go far in distance or time to find smaller Chernobyls. Sometimes the cost of lies is merely the cost of doing business.
Удивительной доброты девушки!!
Я из России,во мнигих семьях были люди кто спасал чернобыль,большенство умерли не дожив до старости.Но эти девушки поразили меня своей мягкосердечностью.
Thank you so so much for doing this series.
The scene in the garden with Boris and Valeri always hits me right in the feels
Diatlov's personality is 'correct'. You never met an angry Russian. Also he is angry not because he is just 'angry' he has a backstory that perfectly explains why he is such a shit. Also, if you his backstory the sentence 'I have seen worse' from the very first episode sounds hauntingly scary.
Really enjoyed this series, you both had such genuine reactions
I know it wasn’t the easiest thing to watch, but rly glad u girls did this series.
Those events were so meaningful, and so often we oversimplify in our memories what happened back then. It really deserves thinking about more than reading a paragraph in a schoolbook and moving on, and this series is a really moving and dramatic representation of the events
If you want some more of Stellan Skarsgard, I can't recommend Andor enough. Incredible show.
He was also spectacular in the film Ronin with Robert Deniro and Jean Reno
Thanks for sharing the traumatic and harrowing account of what happened. I have seen this series 3 times and still, sharing the emotional journey with you both raised the impact of this expertly told story. Thank you.
I love watching these videos because it's amazing the details you guys pick up on. at 18:55, the guy who asked for a cigarette while dying was actually trying to quit smoking because he was eating sunflower seeds. I would never in a million lifetimes have picked up on that lol
ohh I have been awaiting this, checking in on the channel multiple times to make sure I just didn't miss it.
Just remember this show strived to tell the stories that went down from mouth of word and the stories people told happen, not what is scientificly correct. There was ofc some licenses to change up stories to make it more of a follow along and extra interesting as we go threw the show. it is after all a dramatisation.
The producer said when ever they had two different stories of how anything went down they always went with the one that was the least extreme, they feared people wouldn't belive it as it was, so they where sure to play it on the safe side.
The event it self is so terrible but so many wonderfull unsigned heroes stepped forward, not only what was shown here in this show but also "older" men taking the shifts of some of the younger mens when it came to the roof top, so that the youth could go on.
Goverments have to look at the bigger picture and so they sure come across as evil, and sometimes they surley are, but people are amazing when given the chance!.
Ty for an amazing series, a most watch for everyone imo even how sad and horrible it is and makes you feel it is one of those things imo that we as humans can never afford to forget
Thank you for reacting to this miniseries. Wonderful reactions, i think best reactions to this series i have seen in youtube.
Really enjoyed watching this mini series with you, both.
Showing empathy and sadness for people suffering isn’t as common as it should be. You both showed more than your fair share.
Wishing you only good things and good people in your lives.
A tidbit on the graphite "tipped"😏control rods, is that one third of each control rod was made of graphite not just the tip, and it was to help operate the reactor not to make the control rod cheaper. The reason being was to help increase reactivity in cold spots of the reactor. The reactor had such cold spots for a number of reasons but the two primary reasons requiring the graphite has two main parts. 1: The poorer fuel refinement level on top of it being inaccurately/unevenly manufactured. I don't remember the exact numbers but say this fuel rod was 60% pure and this rod was 50% and this other rod was 40%. 2: Rods with nearly spent fuel. When you get a cluster of rods with lower fuel content or spent and nearly used up fuel, this causes cold spots in the reactor and the easiest way to milk more heat and production out of these low or spent fuel rod clusters was, put some of the graphite rod into that area and increase reactivity. Another side effect that was caused by the low fuel purity is that it required these reactors cores to be uncommonly large. They needed a lot of fuel rods to heat enough water fast enough to generate the amounts of power they wanted. But this size in turn allowed for more chances of these cold spots appearing throughout the reactor. So having the control rods made with a third of graphite was built into the design to mitigate the problem.
They never saw this graphite as a major risk or problem that the rods could turn the reactor into a bomb as it wasn't viewed as feasible or possible under normal operation for things to go so badly so fast, and they were technically right. They expected, and more or less rightfully so, that the speed at which these would drop through the reactor during an actual accident that required a SCRAM during normal operation would never be able to cause a problem in them dropping through. That they couldn't heat things up and drive power up high enough fast enough before they passed through and that it should be impossible for the reactor to ever be in a state in which it could become a problem during normal operation...
Except these tests were not normal operation, they intentionally put the reactor into a terrible failing state with the huge addition of the Xenon buildup on top if it all with the days of half power operation poisoning it, making the whole setting even worse. Setting them up to literally forcibly put the reactor into a state that could and would go badly so instantaneously that the graphite rod ends would become the detonator like they did. From Valery's explanation in the show they took away every single method of control leaving the reactor to rapidly start to heat up and start to rapidly burn off the Xenon, and because of this the main reason the rods did what they did is because by the time the power began instantly spiking like it did it was already starting the core meltdown and was causing a number of the control rod tubes to be warped, melted, and or broken so that when the rods came down with the AZ-5 scram button, many of them literally stopped in the middle of the reactor from the damage being done to the rods tubes. That's when you see that already rapidly climbing power spike that was melting the core down inside, instantly go through the roof when the control rods get stuck in the already failing tubes.
This was an amazing series, and it was almost like watching it for the first time again, seeing both of your reactions, thank you
Finally, there is hope for mankind! You two ladies has shown me there is still people with brains and enormous hearts in this world! You guys are awesome! Glad i found your channel, and will follow it with great interest :)
Love your reaction to this amazing show!
Vichnaya Pamyat is a funeral phrase that can be tied to the church and all that but goes way deep than that. Its a saying that roughly translate to "dont forget" or "forever remembered" , is like the "in memory" but in a darker and nostalgic way. Dont forget their sacrifice, dont forget their lies, dont forget their faces, dont forget their betray, dont forget their words, dont forget our destroyed land. Ukraine suffered the brutality of the communist politburo stupidity with its land, sons and nature, because of that vichnaya pamya, moij brat.
Much appreciated reaction. Thank you for sticking it out through this gut wrenching docuseries.
Great and very humane reactions. Enjoyed your video series very much.
awesome job girls.. even had me in tears
Russia ks still like this today. When they invaded Ukraine, the russian solders occupied chernobyl and dug trenches in the radioactive spil because they had no idea the accident even happened
Girls, I want to give the warmest hugs to you both! Your reaction is most human, most compassionate!
There's a lot of complication, like the Soviet death toll couldnt possibly change since the Soviet Union doesnt exist anymore.
Boris Scherbina did some good things, and he was portrayed positively in this documentary/series, but he also was one of the drivers behind the Soviet law that made it illegal for Soviet doctors to list radiation as the reason for cancer/death after Chernobyl.
You also notice Scherbina was a relatively high ranking official in the Soviet Union, but they portrayed him as also afraid of the KGB. Thats quite accurate. At the start of the USSR the central committee and the council of ministers etc had a pretty strong control over the various secret police and security groups. Thats why they had so many different names and were constantly changed. Cheka, GPU, OGPU, NKVD etc and all the subgroups under them. They were constantly being reorganized or dissolved. But the KGB was the version that finally stuck. And by the 1980's the KGB in many ways were the ones running things..
The Central Committee made the political decisions, but they knew they boundaries and to watch there backs because they were no longer fully in command of the KGB. It had become its own power center intertwined with but also separate from the Kremlin.
Such a good series. One of the absolute best and I loved your reaction to this.
Very pleased to have journeyed again thought this series with both of you. The reactions felt really sincere and that's exactly what I need when I watch these. They woke sometimes repressed sadness and grief in me, that needs to get out someway.
Congratulations on the vids!
At long last. Great reaction guys! best mini series ever
19:06 I don't know how many times I've watched this and been reminded, *for some reason*, of my Dad around this part -- but when you pointed this out, I finally noticed and understood why ❤
I was there in 2011. Carried around one of the same yellow dosimeters you see in the final footage. Stood beside the sculpture of the hand holding the reactor. Walked through Pripyat (don't lie on the ground, don't touch the vegetation, no open-toed shoes allowed). On a beautiful day with a clear blue sky.
Eerie.
is it allowed ?
@@antoinebrg6299: I had to go with a guided tour. I don't know what it's like today, but probably easier.
@@alanfoster6589 It's on the border with Belarus where Russia invaded from (and could invade again). It's probably closed for tourists now.
Yes, the invasion might well have put a (temporary) stop to any visitation.@@JustAsPlanned1
that powerful ending montage always gets me whenever I watch it
You two are my favorite reaction channel. Left girl is an emotional adorable mess and you (I assume you take care of YT and tech stuff) are really smart and savy, and equally beautiful ofc. You make a great team. Keep it up!
Easily one of the best shows I have watched in the past decade. Felt like an expert by the end of it!
That speech was very well told so even the viewers could understand. Love kiss looks today, looks very lively
The red and blue plates were not only a great touch but were also used during the original trials and hearings back in the 80's, someone decided that red and blue plates on some shelves would be the most effective way to explain how a nuclear reactor works to a regular person and it worked fantastically.
@@krashd Ah, smart
So I have a story for you both. My girlfriend is Ukrainian. During my first trip to Ukraine I wanted to visit Chernobyl as you can get guided tours there. When I told my girl that I wanted to see that place? She flew into a rage! She told me to never ever go there. This was in 2016. Since then I've been to Ukraine several times and never once visiting Pripyat. Then when this series came out in 2019, it really made me see why my girl didn't want me to visit this place. It just wasn't about the deaths, it was about what the USSR did to it's own people. A real life horror story. Oh and before you ask? Yes, I've asked her parents about this incident. Their stories and the stories from others are sad and amazing to hear.
6:22 So the reason they are holding the trail in the city of Chernobyl is because of old Russian law that has never got out of style, even today, that the trail needs to be held in the city, if not the province, where the crime happened to quote on quote “give closure for the people and community affected by the crime”
Thanks for sharing your watchthrough with us. Yeah, it's an intense miniseries.
The series is a must watch for everyone. My only beef with it is the fantasy parts - like how they showed radiation sickens, that baby "absorbed the radiation" or bridge of death at the end (it's an urban myth and it was named such because of traffic accident). Show would hit just as hard if they didn't make those up.
Not so much fantasy as outdated incorrect information. They believed that about the baby absorbing the radiation back then. It's only in recent years that we realized it's not true.
I can believe that people, including medics, thought or said that about the baby, though. Many old wive's tales in medicine then (still too many now).
I think they included that stuff because the people at the time thought that was real.....but maybe i am wrong
@@Ordog213 actually general public at the time (at least in Poland and i assume eastern block) was more aware of the effects that currently,. Mostly because of portrayals like this
Ladies, this is one of the best reactions to this series I've seen and I've watched quite a few. The both of you are also quite beautiful. Great job.
I'm probably a little wrong here but a crazy thing I've heard with the whole incident is that there is a second reactor right next to the one that exploded, along with two others that were never evacuated or shutdown and remain in use today.
All reactors have been shut down for the past 23 years but the three undamaged reactors were kept running after the accident, reactor #2 was shut down in 1991 after a serious fire in the turbine hall wrecked it's power supply and water supply and so it was cheaper to decommission it rather than fix it. Reactor #1 (the oldest) was shut down in 1996 twenty years ahead of schedule and reactor #3 was shut down in 2000 twenty-five years ahead of schedule. The plan was to keep reactors #1 and #3 running for their expected lifetimes but in the early 90's Ukraine requested a trade deal with the European Union and one of the conditions the EU gave to them was to shut down any remaining reactors at Chernobyl, so Ukraine got working on that and the last operating reactor was shut down a few hours before the millennium so that Ukraine could enter the 21st century with no remaining RBMK reactors.
Went on a binge last night watching your other chernobyl reactions wondering where the last episode was. I wake up and find this waiting. Talk about serendipity.
If you're interested in another story of the USSR during this era, I would highly (very highly) recommend an older HBO movie called Citizen X. Like Chernobyl, it's based on true events. It's about the hunt for a serial killer, one of the most prolific in history, and the problems in the Soviet system that let him get away with it for so long. More importantly, it's another great story of heroic people working within a terrible system.
Anyway, love the reaction here.
When he says "ALC disabled, Global Control activated" he essentially put the reactor in a "autopilot mode", but the setting was placed a 0. So, the computer is trying to get the reactor down to 0 and that's why the megawatts went down.
Chernobyl is widely accepted as one of the main reasons for the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The cost and damage to their reputation, put them on a path that was irreversible, similar to the accident itself.
Literally the most emotional video I've ever seen on UA-cam 😢
Jared Harris is such a beast actor! You shoud really consider watching him in „The Terror“ as Captain Crozier commander of the HMS Terror!
I really enjoyed your reaction to this phenomenal series. It's a very genuine and heartfelt viewing of the greatest man-made disaster in history
As a Latvian American with family still living in Latvia, which is right across the border from the corner of Ukraine where Chernobyl is. In Latvia to this day sometimes you have to shoot cows. Because the cows eat the grass, and there are still patches of radiation in Latvia from the explosion at Chernobyl. Chernobyl and the exclusion zone will be uninhabitable for another 200 years. The reactor itself will be dangerous for another 100,000 years. The new containment unit will only last 100 before it has to replaced again. That of course is a job for the next generation. Anyone that tells you that Nuclear Reactors are safe. They're insane. Just one blowing its lid will leave 1/4 of the USA as radioactive as that corner of Ukraine.
You said, “It just makes you wonder how many other governments are hiding things.” As you get older and more experienced in life, you will find that the answer is: All of them.
Some more than others, of course. But generally speaking, it is a feature of government.
amazing series, great reactions
I was a boy of 15 in the UK when this happen , I remember watching the news , we were terrified
I was the same when I first saw this, haunted is definately the word to describe it.
Great reaction! You make a good team, hoping to see more from you in the future.
Someone once described the disaster using a lorry as an example. This is like trying to get a lorry on a hill to start, by cutting the brakes and stamping on the accelerator.
just when you thought this show has drained you of all your tears and emotions these memorial credits hit your like a brickwall
I loved the relationship between Boris and Valery, and how it goes from Boris shouting at Valery about how he's in charge and not to call Boris by his name to what we see at the end and sticking up for him at the trial. The two went through so much in such a short time, both in the show and real life when you think about it. Even when the end tribute talks about how Ulana was a fictional representation of dozens of scientists working with Valery, you still know that Boris was the go-between to get everything they needed.
Suggestions "Arrival" - "The Right Stuff" - "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot"
Congratulations to you both for concluding one of the best shows ever made (imo). This is a show that's incredibly difficult to watch but should be watched by all at least once to know the truly awful disaster that happened and affected so many lives. Also, I think that epilogue was the first time I've seen Halyo shed actual tears. Which, of course, brought me to tears, lmao. Thanks for sharing your reactions on this show (and many others). You two are adorable and your reactions are top-notch. Keep it up!
Hi girls. I'm in UK and remember watching the news when this happened. We had fallout cloud over our country but most was over northern Europe, Sweeden, Norway, Finland. The Eastern Block took most, GDR, Belarus, Ukraine. You have to understand that Soviet rule meant that EVERYTHING , news, papers, radio, was controlled by the state and nothing happened unless the central soviet council approved it. The Soviet mantra was to show the world how powerful the army is, that was #1, and how wonderful life in the Soviet utopia was. . In reality , life under the Soviets was a different thing altogether. You had two lives - those that were comfortable (the high ranking politicians and corrupt businesses) and everyone else was poor. Everything was lies. Lies Lies Lies. To keep up the pretence. However, Chernobyl was just another pack of lies, adding to the debts of truth that one day needed to be repaid after decades of lies, grinding poverty, poor infrastructure, high infant mortality and more. In 1986, those debts of truth came home and the Soviet Union was exposed for what it really was. In fact, I watched the Berlin wall coming down three years later in 1989 on BBC News. The Soviet leader at the time Mikhail Gorbachev was quoted as saying that Chernobly was the start of the end of the Soviet dream. People could no longer be lied to, cajoled, and have the wool pulled over their heads. The Soviet Union was dissolved 26 December 1991 when 15 states [mostly EU countries now] gained full independence from Russia, ushering in a new world of fear, persecution, oppression albeit of course now under new rule - Russia !! We're fighting Russia on its border - Ukraine - to defend democracy, freedom, and free speech ... the very pillars of our friends in the US and across the democratic world. Having seen what Soviet rule was like, and now what Russia is doing to its own people, we should look to the havens if we ever feel down, depressed, lost ... hold up our arms and thank God we do not live under 'Red Rule'.
Fantastic reactions to one of the scariest true stories on television!
Thank you for a wonderful reaction to an actual masterpiece of a true story tv show.
I live in Sweden, we had a rise in cancer for many years after the explosion.
Its almost 2024, in Sweden as far as I know, we still have areas that the government and wildlife service advice that you do not pick berries, mushrooms and similar.
My mom got thyroid cancer just few years after explosion (I am from Chernihiv that is 80 km away from Chernobyl). Of course there is no way to know if it's related but I believe it is as few of her friends, one of which was forced out of Pripyat did suffer same fate (all of them are alive, just have thyroid completely removed)
Have you two ever seen Apollo 13? Another real life story about heroism and determination in the face of disaster.
Chernobyl show very far from real story.
@@Velanteg You're right. Chernobyl took a lot of liberties. But there were heroes, and the events did happen, more or less.
@@fakecubed Show changed story to paint USSR in black color, not to show heroes.
The thing that really gets me is the quote about not knowing how high the power went. I’m fairly certain that the thermal power on a reactor in such a state would increase exponentially with time, in the milliseconds between the control system showing 33000 MWt it could have increased 10 or 100 times. Either way the amount of power is ridiculous, the human mind is simply not able to comprehend that amount of power
I was honestly more emotional by watching you than when i was watching end of the show myself lol.
If you're still interested in Chernobyl, there are some videos on the wildlife in the exclusion zone that have defied scientists' bleak prognosis and also babushkas (senior ladies) that refused to evacuate or sneaked back in and have lived within the exclusion zone for nearly 40 years.
In the end, it's a story about hope. How a flawed social structure allowed and worsened a disaster, and how a gathering of brave souls traded their futures for the sake of the entire world.
I think you both nailed it. This show is a tribute. It is also a warning coming at a good time for the world as we dance around the truth in so many areas as the lie is much easier to stomach. This show simultaneously destroyed and restored my faith in humanity. There is no level we can't rise to and no depth we can not sink to. Choice is the decider. Legasov's character proves this. Thanks so much for reviewing this show. You both did great with very difficult subject material ❤
I'm afraid that the ones who need to hear this message will never do so because they're too caught up in their own lies and schemes. Like it's always been the ones who end up suffering the most are the innocent. How do we fight ignorance and selfishness when they are the ones in power?
Spot on. Most people seem to focus on the nuclear disaster itself, but that's really just the backdrop to explore the ugliness of institutionalized, organizational and managerial lies and dysfunctions.
@@Corusame If we are speaking on misinformation and propaganda, then all we have to do is stop the source of the lie. Russians did a lot of study on the topic and simply put, if the lie stops being told people stop believing it. Guess that's why so many people lie so much. Its the last defense of the guilty.
Y'all are so pretty! Are you guys twins? Great reaction videos. Subscribed !
The actor who played Dyatlov was also a great comic actor, check him in the UK sitcom Friday Night Dinner if you need some light relief after this ;)
Shit on it!
Great reaction. Keep it going.
A fascinating fictional account of the Franklin Expedition in the artic in the 1800's is worth a view. Jared Harris is the main actor in it, and he is great. The actor that plays the fireman in Chernobyl also plays a major role. The expedition is a fact. The series, however, adds some wild supernatural components. Like Chernobyl, I've watched the first season of The Terror a dozen times. Great acting, great story line.
The Skarsgård clan is top of the line actors! Stellan (father) and the sons Alexander, Gustaf, Bill and Valter
He have kids so there must be more
@@hakandelabiarritz6750 6 kids two are not actors!