The saddest thing about Gorgon is that if you read her profile one of the sections say that she possesses a 4th skill called Roar of Fear A++; which inflicts AoE fear, massive defense down for 1 turn, stacking defense down each turn, and a curse. But they didn't add that skill to the game because it was considered too broken. It's a sad day for us Gorgonbros.
Roar of Fear A++ (9T-7T): Inflicts Terror status for 1 time, 5 turns to all enemies (60%-80% chance per turn to activate a 500% chance Stun) Reduces their defense by 50% for 1 turns Inflict a state where their defense is reduced per turn for 5 turns (10%-20% for 5 turns) Inflicts Curse with 2500-5000 damage for 5 turns to them
On a non-simping note. For anyone wondering about the chicken rib, mentioned by Plushie, iirc the saying originated prior to the three kingdoms era. Cao Cao had just taken over control of Hanzhong, but the city was besieged by Liu Bei shortly after. During this siege Cao's cousin, Xiahou Yuan, was slain in battle. When this news reached Cao, his subordinates asked what the right course of action was, to which Cao simply responded with chicken ribs. All but one were baffled. A minister by the name Yang Xiu was able to decypher the message. As Plushie mentioned, it's a waste to toss it despite the meat attached to is near negligible . In Cao Cao's case, Hanzhong was not particularly valuable and he was willing to abandon it. In Himiko's case, she's just nice to have, but does not add anything to your account. This is my head cannon, not putting words in Plushie's mouth. You'll have to ask him yourself if that is what he meant when he mentioned chicken ribs.
I will say this about Himiko: Before Morgan was released, I used her to make the Invincible comp, and it always worked. It would take a lot longer than the Morgan version, but it was just as consistent (if not more, 5 hits Purge vs 4) as long as the enemy didn't have lots of healing every turn to outpace the occasional massive crits she could get with Merlin when you didn't need NP that turn. Morgan is a lot more enjoyable for the consistent damage that makes fights not take forever, but Himiko still got the job done.
@@gunnarschlichting9886 personally, I don't give a rat's ass about immortal team comps. I really dislike using them. However, I do think Himiko's skills and role are weird. People often say she's a support, but barring skill 1, she is rather selfish. Even the np benefits Himiko more than her team. The party wide overcharge is just a nice bonus.
@@M0nk3yK1ng1 Yeah, Himiko has more on common with Super Orion than she does most supports, it just so happens that her buffs on NP are party wide and contains an Overcharge buff. She's more a hybrid Crit dps that also allows allies to do decent crit damage (especially Buster crits) as well, and usually works best with other crit focused Servants. It's just that Castoria has a busted OC effect that Himiko enables, because everything about Castoria is busted lol. Another say to look at it is, she's a Buster focused, Ruler version of van Gogh, but with less insane multipliers and more selfish buffs in exchange for also being far less niche, which ends up not being worth the trade-off most of the time.
This is what you do with Salieri to make him do damage: You pop his first two skills if you don't see any Arts card on turn 1, and hope they both come up on turn 3. Then on turn 3 you either hope both Arts cards were there, or you pop Bunnytoria's deck change skill and hope you get both Arts cards for him. Then you swap out the Bunny with a Summer BB with a Golden Catches the Carp equipped, and lock in the cards. Then you pop skill 3 of Salieri on the boss, and do a NP-A-A chain for huge refund. Then you use Koyanskaya's Battery and Star Dump, pop skills 1 and 2 of Salieri again, and do another NP-A-A Chain for Massive Damage /s
I like that Otto picked up on the fact that Avengers have the highest attack value in each rarity they are present - Jalter for 5*, Gorgon for 4*, Salieri for 3*, and technically Angra Mainyu for 0*. As a general avenger simp, this is the fact I personally like to bring up whenever the opportunity arises.
@@thefool8224 Which is even more powerful the more you invest levels and fous into them~! for instance a 120 Jalter with 2k fous, and a level 100 atk CE (2k atk) has 21,017 atk stat +2101 from the passive boost making it 23,118 before any other mods/buffs xD
What I really like about using Caren is that it feels like you're setting the pace of the battle. With 2 drains you can decide when the enemy nps. With her taunt you can decide who gets hit that turn. She really feels like a defensive wall in quick teams. Plus her just being very reliable in farming and her damage being great and you get, dare i say, the best AOE quick unit. Also i really like her with Yui, even tho she drains her, because of her rainbow buff you can get Yui's buffs whenever you want and you don't have to wait as often for buff cds
@7:33:30 Independent Manifestation is alway low rank (i.e. E rank) because the Beast itself is suppressing their Beast Nature when summoned. When they stop suppressing their nature you get the *"BAD END"* (depending on how horny you are) where Kiara, Kama and Koyanskaya (wow, 3 Ks) kill you in their interludes or Valentine's interlude. At that point that skill goes up in rank. Imo, that's one of the reasons Kiara, Kama and Koyanskaya are always trying to *"corrupt"* us, their Master.
I remember Myst being worried as hell about Jalter's placement in the list, but I feel like Spishtar & Jinako's placements were probably the most controversial part of the list as a whole 😂 Good on you for standing your ground Myst! Excited to see Part 2 next week!
I started Jp around Summer so I got Summer Chloe. She was very good, especially since I lacked a ton of great supports. Honestly if a units np damage is already good enough and you just need refund running double Summer Chloe can also be a really fun setup, especially with Artoria Alter. Also she really should keep her manuscripts herself, its pretty stupid she doesnt.
Lobo is MAGIC, man. I cant even really explain why, but they ALWAYS come through. They never outright stomp any fight, but in my experience using them in every single ruler CQ over the past few years as well as some neutral CQs, they always have just enough damage, they always have just enough survivability and they always have just enough utility. And my lobo copy isn't even that good, up till a few weeks ago they were only 6/6/6 skill levels, and they're still ungrailed now. They're np4 now from spooks, but I've been using them since they were np1. They're just an honest servant with nothing busted but with all the tools they ever need to get the job done. I might grail mine soon too tbh, I've just grown to love them more and more every year, both as characters and in gameplay. And I really love his S3, especially in the fights against qin shi huang and sherlock. Being able to completely nullify their nps with a skill button press is just... amazing. Top ten best feeling button presses in the game. I can't even hate them for spooking me because I ended up using them more than my 5* avengers outside of farming lmao.
As much as I love Lobo a lot I still wish he had an evade I mean he ffs he had an entire ginmick with it in the story. So plz just give him a buff with atleast something of an Evade. Best doggo really deserves a bit more survivability imo. Edit: Oh damn I thought he be ranked lower hurray!
I personally think Otto's take on Avenger Kuro was really misplaced He tends to downplay her gimmick but the thing is, her ability to swap while giving buffs allows other dps with lower NP than the usual requirement for min turn farming or CQ to be able to. Comparing her to Waver was the most confusing thing, to be fair I didn't watch the entire thing yet at this point of time, but was said has been said and I think Otto doesn't truly understand how the east utilize her as a support as he keeps emphasizing "Just look out how people in JP use her on UA-cam, look at their comps" but he gotta remember, that's like below 0.01% of the actual community at the end of the day. On normal farming cases you'd use someone like Knocknerea, Santa Martha, Ruler Da Vinci for your 4 star picks and admittedly Kuro is the less picked out of the group but like Otto said, she's not exactly the best at buffing but what her ability to make access for another support is what covers that. The whole matter of Bond efficiency or whatever argument he was trying to make shouldn't really be a factor Yeah fixed team and high party cost because you use her with other supports, not a cheap replace A support option, but the thing is that's exactly why people use her, other than she technically can't be replaced at what she does, she does it extremely well as a 4 star. Her position is sorta like a Miss Crane but for farming and can do it by pure skill and not NP Again, she allows servants who normally wouldn't be able to clear or have a chance of safely kill an enemy due to low np levels to make use of that extra boost to clear the enemy, black grail or not, and the charge does actually make a difference
Thank you guys for making this tier lists, i always have something to watch while I'm busy with my job or work at home, always watching them from the begging to the end❤.
3:04:59 lmao I don't blame chat all. As an avid first emperor enjoyer, i agree with their tier placement. I'd use them in every available cq possible and even in situations where they'd be at a disadvantage, QSH can somewhat do fine with the help of command cards. That said, ramping up their damage can take awhile, depending on the situation. but yeah, once you get the ball rolling, first emperor can dish out amazing numbers and can keep their tempo fairly well.
Im still pissed that Lasangle hasnt buffed Qin shi huang's np. Superhuman Orion and Van gogh exist, clearly they dont have a problem with giving passive star gen on np on crit focused characters
Orion is not as incredible as they make it out to be. His only survival is a 3-turn guts. It depends too much on the rng of the stars to generate criticals, it depends a lot on charging its np because it is almost 80% np, but it has 3 busters xd. In teams the ruler is better because of his two arts and he protects the team from an np st, also his class is much better and he has life recovery
@@ReInvader Orion doesn't need survival, he is there to SMASH and SMASH he does xD If your enemy is still alive after 3 turns with him, you may be using him incorrectly, haha
@@ninjablade2 in that case, Qin shi Huang can deal a lot of damage too. It's just what a plushie said. Orion has one hit buster. That's why you see 1 million damage or something. Qin shi Huang can do that too.
"You're not gonna press the buster" for Spishtar is bullshit, if you happen to have Koyans light and not Castoria which was my case for a long time, Space Ishtar is a pretty decent Buster Looper, she's not the best, but she works.
I can't imagine playing spishtar without 100% card type buff on wave 1 and 2. Why do people do this to themselves? Just use her as arts. Keep it simple
@@Byssbod Because I didn't have Castoria, and Koyans+Oberon is much better than forcing arts with a single Castoria? It isn't hard to understand. She worked fine for all the content FGO NA had back then.
@@Byssbodalso, what kind of koyan system are you using where you don't press both her skill 3s turn 1? Put a 50% CE on spishtar and she's good to go Turn 1 pop all her skills, switch NP to buster and start looping
@@Byssbod yes she is, ehat the fuck are you talking about? Are you confused because the NP damage only is 1 time 3 turns? Because her NP card type change lasts 3 turns
Honestly it was kinda weird that right around when you guys were talking about Jinako and established that servants are ranked only at what they do best, you guys then left Spishtar at A tier lol. She has better damage on wave 1 and 2 compared to Kama, which I would argue matters more than wave 3. Just during last lotto you needed Np 3 Kama but only Np 2 Spishtar for comfy looping. The outside of farming argument holds no value based on your own rules.
@@TheFlashzieShe is for anything with a huge life bar not just CQ but farming which will continue to become a bigger need. People need to stop downplaying an AOE stun with Single target like damage on an AOE just to justify Space Ishtar being on the same tier. I have both, I use both, I love using both together, they are both great servants, Kama is just a little better honestly.
@@VioletDeathRei for that reason why is kashin kojin in B+ as well? No one here that is doing these tiers tries most of the characters past day 1. Its just like they go by personal feelings and no experience on the matter some times. I advise you both to take this tier list as something fun to watch, not serious
@@bifeclassico Because Kashin is way more rng and has a worse card type and doesn't have the same damage potential. Assassin low class mod vs Avenger class with the 2nd highest ATK in the whole game.
I love when I’m watching these and laugh when I hear a mildly controversial take and Myst says “I can already imagine all the angry comments” because I always think “I doubt anyone would get too upset about that” …and then Spishtar got put into A tier… Great video as always! I always enjoy this series coming around every year and love to watch it during my commute or while gaming. Great content and gives lots of great ideas for servant usage outside of what most people know!
I can't agree more - new Dantes is just stupid - his skills and np are literally "Kenshin but better" in almost every way (did he really need 3 debuff immunities AND invul pierce) but Kenshin is already a top tier servant that was released less then 6 month ago. And yet somehow he's still worse then Bastoria because any semblance of balance has left to buy milk 3.5 years ago and hasn't returned since. On a more positive note summer BB is a lot more fun with the "new" buff and mighty chains, she's probably the second best servant to pair with Gogh. She could have been A+ but unupgraded NP does hurt her but not her enemies, right now it's just a drain and BBB enabler if you are lucky. A small consolation is beacuse of how low the NP damage is you only need one copy so you can save for Doorman or Gogh.
Honestly, i don't really see the hype around Berserker Castoria. I don't even think she was the best arts ST released last year when considering everything. Let alone the best ST overall Sure in farming, she is maybe possibly the best (though even there Kintoki's damage advantage rears it's head) but outside of that it isn't even close. Dantes does 553k neutral by turn 2 Dantes also notably out--crits her (by 100k average damage over 3 turns) This means you need 2 niches for Summer Castoria to be better outside of farming
@@adrastos8401Even with 2 niches, if Dantès is well stacked (not even fully stacked), his damage is superior, unless we take overcharge in consideration, or we are talking of a Threat to Humanity enemy that Arthuria will not be hitting 0.5x, in which case mainly Cernunnos come to mind (which also fills another niche), but then Dantès also deal 2.0x since it is a Berserker, and thus their damage end up quite equivalent anyways. With 7 stacks he is surpassing Arthuria's damage if she is hitting both her niches, and with 10 he surpasses her even considering that she is on Overcharge 3. Only with 4 and more overcharges, which honestly is quite unrealistic most of the time, her damage will be unparalelled, and that is counting them both with 2 Arthurias Caster and 2 Summer Skadis. Still, that is not to say that she is not really absurd, and even if Dantès could catch-up to her damage even with 2 niches active, in this case I would use her, because her damage would be more consistent, since you also will not stay on 10 burns all the time. Honestly I have no idea how you can't see how powerful she is, and the only other Arts ST that I would say that is superior to her is Draco, but Draco is useless against Extras, while Arthuria works against anything but Foreigners. Kriemhild and Erice are both good competitions to her, and just as much universal, but given the superior utility tools that Arthuria has in her kit, I would say that she is better for someone without a lot of Servants. Definitively she was overhyped on last tier list by being on that separate tier, when you have Servants like Erice, Kriemhild and now Dantès, but that doesn't change she is a monster, and arguably the best Arts ST-best ST overall before Dantès existed.
@@Rahdwiin Dantes damage will be more consistent not less, because he isn't as reliant on skills for damage, he can maintain stacks with command codes during downtime, He can generate stars for crits on downtime too. You don't need 10 burns to win. 6 is enough when considering crits, something that can be pretty easily maintained with CCs. Bastoria just doesn't work well with Castoria support. Her NP interferes with Castoria's. Her damage with double Castoria is low (basically the same as Kriemhild). She is 70% battery the servant. And even then a single NP from Vlad or Galatea and the refund difference makes up for the battery difference, so if you are using an NP twice in multicore, Vlad or Galatea are better, and if you are using it once Kintoki is better. and outside of farming Galatea is better, Kriemhild is better. Vlad and Erice are a little to much the opposite way being sucky without Castoria to be better than Bastoria, but you need to be good with and without Castoria. Draco is worse. She doesn't work against the servants you want her too most, her triple buster deck is a problem (unlike Galatea her has her third skill to help), her damage is even lower than Bastoria's, needing 7 knights servants, and the roman command code to be useful against anything except berserkers and assassins. She is good, but the only way she is close to the best ST arts DPS is if you assume her normal support self isn't available. And even then I would probably take Galatea, Astraea, or Kenshin, taking 1/3rd of the hits just isn't enough for a berserker without Castoria, RNG can easily screw Bastoria here.
@@adrastos8401Kriemhield's damage isn't low, so it doesn't makes sense for you to say that her damage is low because it's the same as Kriemhild; she (Kriemhild) is literally among the best STs in the game, straight-out better than Vlad and Galatea, though the former has more damage than her (by a little). All of these Servants basically score among the highest universal damages in the game, and the fact that Arthuria competes with them makes her simply amazing. As for Draco, "needing 7 knights Servants", and a command code which is free, means nearly nothing. She is exactly what I said: with all her niches that are nearly a given and free, she will have colossal damage, the only one able to compete with Dantès besides very specific situations, and performing even better than him on many of them, however it does comes with a weakness; since her class is useless against Extra classes, you can't really say that she is an universal Servant like Dantès is, and therefore I would say Dantès is a favorite between these two-most of the times she will be absolutely amazing, but Dantès will be amazing on nearly ALL the times. As for consistency, Arthuria Berserker will always be more consistent than Dantès when they are fighting a Chaotic AND Divine enemy. Her turn 1 damage will always be bigger, her turn 2 damage will most of the times be bigger as well, unless they are solo, and when Dantès is on cooldown on his burn stacking skill, even with command codes, his damage will decrease again, whereas Arthuria will ALWAYS be hitting at the very least the damage of Dantès with 7 stacks. With overcharges, she will be doing a damage so big that not even with 10 stacks he will be able to follow-up. For double Arthuria Caster, honestly there is few point to begin with, to bring two Arthuria Casters unless you are a Servant who really needs them both like Vlad, and that is true specially for a Servant that likes overcharge-like Arthuria Berserker in the context of Chaotic AND Divine-a mix of Reines and Arthuria is much better, specially because on many quests you can't even bring duplicate Servants to begin with. And with Reines, you don't have to bother with putting the Berserker's NP before the Caster's NP, because with Reines spamming her NP, the Caster will already have enough overcharge anyways. Basically she is much better than both Vlad and Galatea, and she only isn't straight-out better than Kriemhild because Kriemhild has her powerful buff removal before NP, something she doesn't have in any way, nor ignore invulnerability, which puts them both on a competitive spot. Draco is superior to both, in the many scenarios where she works, but if we are talking of a superior universal Servant, then indeed she loses because of being useless against Extras, and the one that comes in play instead is Erice Summer, a much better version than the Astrae that you mentioned. As far as universal damage dealers go, these three: Arthuria Berserker, Kriemhild and Erice Summer are easily the best STs Arts in the game, and yet they lose against Dantès as I said, unless we are considering that the enemy is Divine AND Chaotic which is what I said in response to your own reply mentioning "unless she hits 2 of her niches", and if she does, she will simply be the best Servant in the game, and it's not even a competition. She will ALWAYS hit the equivalent to a Dantès with 7 stacks, from turn 1, and this damage will be further increased by the equivalent of a 50% NP Strength by each Overcharge level she gets. I really have no idea from where you take that having a NP that will give you +100% NP Strength +50% per Overcharge level-which is what she does against Chaotic AND Divine enemies, the scenario you mentioned and the only scenario where I said she is more consistent-is being dependent on skills to do damage.
@@Rahdwiin Kriemhild's damage is low comparative to Vlad and Galatea. An NP2 Vlad matches an NP5 Kriemhild (619k for vlad vs 618k for kriemhild) with double supports. and the higher attack stat and upgraded NP means he will scale better with more supports. Sure Artoria berserker is amazing. Never said she wasn't. but that's the point, she just competes with them, she isn't the best of them. Neither command code or seven knights servant are "free". Almost no major story bosses are servants (even like Morgan, Melusine, Li shuwen, etc. aren't servants when we fight them, let alone the obvious ones like Cernunnos and Demeter) In farming, only the third wave is a servant. Which can matter, but Draco's batteries are a bit awkward for farming, and you usually want the ST to clear an earlier wave too if you are using them on the third wave. The command code is limited to a specific event, and is not relevant for any future rate ups Draco may get, plus it requires getting one specific card (unlike say Dantes burns where you can slap 5 burn CCs on him and his skill applies to all cards anyway) Artoria berserker loses her 50% arts and the overcharge when her skills are on cd. and the overcharge is 1 time bonus only I am including Overcharge in the 6 stacks. You are using a suboptimal comp for Dantes. Double Summer Skadi is never the best for damage. It is only best for looping, which Dantes will suck at anyway. You want double Caster Skadi or Caster Skadi+Summer Skadi for both crit and NP damage. Her damage fluctuates quite a bit even against Chaotic and Divine enemies. Draco works well when she works, pretty much anyone does. And it takes way to much to make her work, and even then her cards hold her back. She just isn't one of the best. Of the 3 you mentioned the only one close to the best is Kriemhild. Summer Erice has worse card gains than Vlad without Castoria support (He can use Xu Fu better). And berserktoria is the opposite and just doesn't play well with the main arts support. Berserker Castoria isn't even the best if she hits two niches, Kriemhild still actually wins overall because Georgios+Chaotic. I take it from the fact that 50% arts up and 50% power mod are dependent on skills, one of those has a 4 turn downtime. that's basically half her damage buffs against a Divine and Chaotic enemy. Compared to Dantes who has defense down and burn SE on NP vs 60% buffs on skills. Even 30% SE from burn codes alone and the defense down keep him way more consistent than someone with a 1 turn 50% power mod on a skill and a 3 turn 50% arts on a skill. Especially when you consider crits too. Yes, on two niches, she is really strong. But any servant hitting two niches is going to be nuts. Nemo against a super giant caster (Demeter says hi as one of the toughest bosses in the game if you think it isn't relevant) does a ton of damage too.
As someone with a level 118, soon to be 120, Spishtar, I’ll run some defense for my girl. Her challenge quest utility comes in during CQ’s where the enemy either changes what card type it’s immune/resistant/weak to, or where there are multiple enemies that each are immune/resistant/weak to a different card type. In these cases you use Spishtar’s card change skill not to run her as a Buster or Quick servant, but rather as an Arts servant until the ‘Arts Section’ is over, and then you switch to Buster or Quick for their section. Semi unfortunately her best showcase of this has likely already past on NA during Teslafest. But anytime you can use an MLB damage CE and you can’t bring double supports then she really shines here. If you can’t bring double Castoria then you can bring a Reines instead and plug suit in an Oberon or Skadi for when it’s time to switch Card Types. I wouldn’t even say this should change her tier placement, wherever she ends up. It’s probably one of the smallest niches around. But in that specific niche she has no real replacement.
For Summer Chloe I think she's really underrated as just a damage booster. Yes the battery enables servants that can't normally BG farm but I think it's much more practical to just use her as a damage booster, you can use all her skills turn 1 so she's gone by turn 2. 20% attack and np damage may sound lackluster but I've found it useful surprisingly often since getting her, it's universal and synergizes with Oberon. Here's an example with np1 lvl 90 Tiamat(BBG, cavalry class, non man enemy,standard VVO supports, new plug) chloe, w1:138.2K w2:250.6K w3:811.1K no chloe, w1:144.7K w2:199.8K w3:663.7K That's a small loss of 6K damage for wave 1 in exchange for +50K on wave 2 and +147K on wave 3. Worth noting that 800K to a million is fairly standard for 90++ wave 3 servants. Pretty crazy for an np1 semi omni looper (this is definitely not Tiamat propaganda for extra 2 list).
if only Space Ishtar's 3rd skill is a 100% rainbow buff instead of 80%. she's definitely EX. she needs an update now especially with the new servants. she's still amazing though.
Thing that was not mentioned about Kenshin and I find very important is that she is best at enabling Arts-only immortal comp with Lady Avalon and Castoria. Something neither Luvia nor Zerktoria can do well (either no overcharge or NP not working well with Castoria). With Kenshin you have 4 (Lady Avalon skill) or 5 stacks (Kenshin skill) of Anti-Purge Defense, which is better than Morgan. However, with Zerktoria you move between 3 and 4, with 3 being not enough very often (she has advantage of uncoupling her NP from supports, but it is still a problem).
Monte Cristo is so completely absurd. I never thought I would see anytime soon a Servant straight-out powercreeping Summer Erice, but Monte Cristo managed to do it. Even without any burn stacking his damage is already insane, surpassing Jeanne D'Arc Alter (with buffs from supports and all included) and coming close to the giga-Berserkers, and then when you start actually accounting his burn stacks, his damage just gets so colossally high that only a monster like Draco can compete with him with her niches that are all nearly free and a given. He is much more universal than her though, since he only doesn't work against Moon Cancers, which are...nearly non existent as enemies, whereas Draco is useless against all Extra classes, and on top of that, he has way more tools on his kit: Ignore Invincibility and a guaranteed stun, which is spammable. If that wasn't enough, he is probably the Servant with the highest synergy with Summer Skadi, having AMAZING critical hits. Yeah, he is that crazy. It just takes one to look to the actual numbers to see that even if he is not from the best class of all-Berserker-he is still actually better than some of the most OP Servants released in the game so far, like Arthuria Caster Berserker, and Kriemhild.
So happy to finally see SKama's CQ's potential aknowledged. That partywide charm on top of the def down ramp up is really strong, you can very easily destroy at least a couple of bars one the first few turns and even ramp up the damage on the bulkier enemies with the blaze damage mod. Also really solid survivability with the double evasion + castoria and charm to lock down enemies. For farming i agree that she can be tied to Spishtar, but on bosses i think she's much better.
The defense down ramp up is no different than Space Ishtar's NP damage ramp up. And it's AFTER damage. Imagine a CQ with multiple waves, Kama may not get the full benefit of the ramp up like Space Ishtar does. And the charm can miss, of course, which everyone always mentions when this topic comes up. The only thing I like more on Kama is the blaze on normal attacks. There are few situations where I would consider Kama better than Space Ishtar, and vice versa. They're just too similar and should be ranked the same.
3:40:04 From Three Kingdom, a quote of Yang Xiu (杨修), when he decipher Cao Cao's message, only to get beheaded because he was too good at reading Cao Cao's thought and intention Also, I really want to see Cao Cao being in FGO one day
At the same NP level I'd take Summer Kama into a CQ before Space Ishtar every single time. I agree their farming is similar but I can see the half tier difference just from Kama's extra use as a DPS.
As a Jalter fan I gotta say I perfectly understand most sayin she is more of A, she lacks in many areas sadly but at the end of the day like most servants we like we gotta understand, no matter how bad they are, even E, we will still use em if we love em enough so fellas pull ur pitchforks down 😂 Except for Jekyll and Hyde, idk how that one is saved…
Man i've tried so hard to make jekyll and hyde work but he's the only servant I've had to give up on... He needs something massive to save him, like not just making his np recastable but also giving him an np effect like "after NP immediately cast all of his new skills for free"
Got her np3, my only 2k fou'd, and currently level 108. I agree. Summer Erice especially did her pretty dirty. While she is still top tier for nova damage, that is so rarely that useful these days that it is a lot less of a benefit to her name.
I disagree with Skama being higher on the list than Spishtar. They should be on the same tier since both have downsides and upsides over each other. Like yes Skama has more use in CQs, but she is not all that reliable with her charm that can be resisted making her damage fall of significantly. Also her second skill is scuffed in farming since you either sacrifice damage on the first two waves, or you waste it on one of the early waves (in 90+ and 90++ it can make or break it). Spishtar can miss arts up on her third skill that can affect refund and damage on lower mobs waves, but she has some utility for multi core since she provides party wide attack and her NP has ramp up on np damage that pretty much gives her a non mlb BG on wave 3 that synergies well with Oberon. Also Rin faces > Sakura faces.
@@Phiro00 Not really for CQs don't use any of them and just bring Summer Ibuki instead. She is not that great of a CQ unit just cause of Charm. Honestly I don't see why ppl say she is even good at CQs Summer Kiara is far more versatile and reliable than her at them. ESP WHEN ALL OF THEM ARE NP1.
@@ReInvader yes because she actually has a complete and functioning skill set compared to space ishtar. You cant honestly sit there and try to tell me spischtar has a CQ presence. Kama is so infinitely better in hard content. Her charm failing isnt even that bad in dpsing, because her 3rd skill can guarantee high dmg anyway.
@@Phiro00 They should both go in the same position. I see that one is given a lot of favoritism when if she doesn't hit her charm she loses a good part of the damage potential and on top of that it's only once every 7 turns (if she hits it right). It could be a little better for cq but in itself it doesn't stand out in it and space is more consistent in its damage, besides it can work in any system and she doesn't depend on the enemy's resistance or she has bad damage the first two waves like the other
This is probably just due to it being an early day balancing nerf, but it still astounds me that Robin Hood's NP got nerfed, but then they release an NP like Draco's and then don't smack her over the head for it.
I have to agree that Jinako is a really good secondary/tertiary support. To be fair, I can see myself freely shuffling servants in A and A+ depending on the situation. The only questionable thing is Antonio's placement, he always find a way to do some work in multi class nodes even with his gimped skill set. I would say B.
Strongly agree w/Plushie on Dantes, he's unhealthy for the game. Way too strong of a character, his np gain should be alot trashier with that np. The day Quick gets a good defensive support he will be the best dps in the game easy. Eh
@@TrueBladeSoul Give it a better support then, or at least more than literally 1 support (skadi and summer are only slightly different). They just hate quick for some reason, Xu Fu was clearly supposed to have been a quick support, it just makes waaay more sense.
I also disagree on Summer BB being on A. Should be A+. If she ever gets an NP buff she is easily EX. Her kit just makes SENSE. She shits out stars with her 1st and 2nd skills and crits reliably and well with the same skills. Jinako is not above her that is pure bias there. Summer BB is the single best dps against Avengers and is a train that never stops. Jianko sure fills out a more supportive role but her supportive capabilities are not A+ worthy.
Sadly Qin, our king doesn't make it to A+ but, he will always be the imbodiment of "When you unlock a boss, and they are as strong as you fought them" He doesn't have 3 hp bars so his invul makes up for it.
i wanna spishtar to change deck based on np type. for quick it`s BAQQQ, for arts BAAAQ and for buster BBBAQ. if u think that 3 arts would be broken, remember her arts cards gains, it`s pretty bad. sadly i doubt devs would do this but we can imagine
The only thing I can think of that would make Angra neat is if he had QQQAB deck and you somehow kept him alive multiple turns that quick buff is the biggest in the game and it isn't close because of the rampup since turn 1 40% isn't too bad, 80% is absurd, then 120%+ is just holy steroids batman. So with OG Skadi his quick crits would be incredibly stupid with his 10% crit dmg passive and Skadi's quick crit damage up. The problem there is his defensive skills are his one guts, attack down, and no crits.
Something I didnt mention about summer Chloe and wasn't brought up is her 2nd skill is technically a dodge. She can jump out of the party and avoid attacks which is a really unique function and kinda acts like a 1 turn evade.
I think people should need to stop looking at looping to be the end all of good placement. This is why I like these discussion on the tier list. Because they bring up teh CQ , dps , boss fights and support also as a factor
I'll never forget the one time that Summer BB's burn immunity came in handy during the Gilfest Nero Bride CQ with Billy inflicting burn. I was tweakin when I saw that.
I knew I’m gonna be mad because of Salieri. I will try to defend my beloved’s honor even though he deserves a buff I got Salieri on the first day of the playing the game from the GSSR and for a very long time he was my only Avenger. Of course he’s np5, but I had a lot of experience with him even before his buff and Castoria. Even at np1 his damage against rulers is acceptable because of okay crits and counter class. Salieri lacks attack buff and 3 times 3 turns skills are kinda sad. I wish his absorb and defense down wasn’t 1 turn. Despite this, 1.He is chaotic evil and that allows him to use crit and atk buffs from Douman 2.Debuff on his np can be easily clenced by Castoria 3. Really heigh atk stats and class carries him, at lvl100 his stats are better than some SSRs Salieri’s performance is okay in general. I like to use him as anchor against rulers and my big fat copy can farm with black grail If Ranmaru is added to evocation shop, he is dead and so am I with my 2k foed 100lvl grailed Salieri copy
Aah a fellow Salieri enjoyer I see :') he's one of my main looper too (lvl 90 but still trying to 2000/2000 him). Super happy I managed to NP5 him on junao's banner. He's doing pretty good job on farming as you said with double castoria. I also have Douman so I always bring them together if I want to see some big crit. he's a 3* too so the cost party isn't too high. I'll gladly accept the buffs if they decided to, my man deserved it honestly :'D 🙏
I'm a salieri enjoyer myself but I unfortunately have to agree with his low placement. Just so we are clear, my copy is lvl120 10/10/10 skills, 10/10/10 appends and 2k/2k fou. His rarity really hurts him. Yes I understand a grailed copy does have more attack than even some SSRs, but I'm pretty sure they're not factoring grails in this list, and would be highly unrealistic. So moving forward in my discussion I'll be assuming a NONE GRAILED Salieri. As a farmer he's ok, he has really good refund and has good loopability, but that's sadly pretty much it. Him not having a battery of his own severely hurts his flexibility in farming, because the moment an irregular node shows up, he instantly has trouble clearing it. Not to mention farming neutral damage as a 3 star really does hamper his looping since he can't overkill as often. Another point against our boy is his Crit Potential. He's an Arts AoE Avenger, which is probably one of the worst combinations for a crit servant imo. Arts inherently has the hardest time critting since they can't generate them as easily and being an Avenger means he has very bad star weight. Yes I know he has innocent monster but it's like the bottom tier version, which only gives 10 stars and his Star absorb only lasts 1 turn. It barely does much especially thanks to him being a 3 star. Second to the last point I have is his 3 hits 5 turns arts buff. It directly makes both of his playstyles work against one another during CQs. You're forced to pick between looping his NP or saving the arts up for crits, he can't do both which is counter intuitive. And last point I have is his availability, he's a story locked 3 star. That should be self explanatory by itself. 😂
Recently, I have managed to pull off S.Kama solo on Prison Tower and Camazotz, and without Honey Lake and Jeanne CC. For Prison Tower I managed to find a consistent skill cycle and everythings left was praying for Jeanne to not crit and Dante to not use his skill. For Camazotz, 1000 years was use to push his NP to a turn slot where I can dodge his NP using evade and Mephisto was used to prevent 1st guts and a Sure-hit,finding out he cannot use 2 extra skill in one turn was revolutionary as I can try to NP 3 times in 4 turn so he will use the his other skill than putting up NP resistance.
A little more Jalter backup here, something people really over look with Jalter multi core is that 40% atk for dragon allies... guess who are dragons that are able to farm almost anywhere? Saber Ibuki, Summer Ibuki, Lancer Melusine, Summer Melusine, Tiamat, and the list actually now goes on quite extensively! With the prominence of single target being used to do 90++ first/second wave I think with that battery addition Jalter has become a serious contender over other berserker options that don't have any additional support to give~ (not to mention the 30 star bomb on NP she drops can allow her to even take out a second single enemy wave depending on your setup/dealt cards or just give your other teammates the stars to NP gen or clean up an aoe wave~)
Would not be surprised if more and more CQ bosses come in as Stun immune now. It's a self-created problem from the devs since Monte Cristo didn't need to have a 500% base chance to begin with, but eh.
still confused about the different placements for spishtar and s.kammer. Since theyr release we always put them in the same tier since their arts looping is 99.5% the same. Meanwhile I admit that kamas challenge quest is better, but not THAT much better to warrant half a tier. While Spishtar can do Buster too and doing legit numbers. She functions as any other 50%CE Busterlooper so I dont understand why it never gets the credit for these tierlists. So i would kinda hope to put her on the same tier as S.Kamer just because spishatrs utility warrants the A+the same as S.kamas CQ presence (which again, isnt that much better, considering you can run spishtar with bustercrit teams if you want). EDIT: I see even arceuid is A+, considering np1 i dont see how she would be a better farmer than spishtar. With the antitrait they are EVEN imo
I don't know if I like Kama above Space Ishtar tbh. Her charm dependent damage feels like a hinderance. But otherwise pretty good list. 🎉 Since QSH is one of my favourites, I'd like to see him get a buff which gives him stars over turn. And something like Dantes buff where he removes buffs with crits would be perfect too.
I have managed to solo Prison Tower and Camazotz with Kama so she is not that bad. With out Honey Moon (or the CEs with SE againts burn) or Jeanne CC btw, it is pretty rough but doable with Kama.
@@mmlaughing6458 Oh I'm not saying Kama is bad at all. I'm just saying I don't agree that she is better than Space Ishtar. I think Space Ishtar's flexibility is better.
Except her damage isn’t dependent on charm. The charm is just icing on the cake, it’s bonus damage. And even if you don’t get that, you’re still getting a 20% NP buff for 3 turns.
@@pougetguillaume4632Reality is she just does not have enough dmg to use on 3rd turn enemies though. Usually I use a 2nd dps for that, she is often used to deal with 2nd turn and damage buff for 3rd turn. She is loop able enough that you can use her NP 3 times with minimal buff but still have enough dmg for big enemy in either 1st or 2nd turn which make her more flexible than Ishtar since she does not have to build up.
The thing about Salieri is he was meant to be a Farmer, not a DPS that will have an endurance test against the other classes except Moon Cancer. That's why all of his skills are capped at 3T. DW back then already giving him that farmer role as a budget Avenger. Again, he is NOT meant for endurance DPS, he's only a farmer that if needed with his mediocre damage, he can crit the high HP mob so you can still 3T a node.
@@Ottobean Nasu already confirmed that planning for FGO takes 3 years in advance during his joint interview with David from Star Rail. Being released several years before Castoria doesn't mean a thing when she's already planned to be released. The things we are getting right now are pre-planned for 3 years worth, and Salieri having that kit was already a foreboding thing. Remember that Sieg, the ultimate farming welfare, was also released before Castoria, even Paracelsus. There are Servants that they planned to be Farmers, and not DPS with endurance.
this is pretty much a pretty correct list with the only odd part is that kagekiyo is either top of A+ or bottom of ex. also I'm on the fence with Marie alter because she's weird for me.
They have a veil in front of their eyes because of the new Dantes, although Taira is still one of the best solo performers and this will not change. What exactly puts her lower now than last year, or other servants, is an open question
3:13:00 I started FGO when summer 4 dropped on NA. Bunnythoria saved my ass a lot of times during the Singularities. In a lot of boss battles(including Solomon) she was the last servant standing and won the battle.
3:08:00 What lobotomized freak of nature is doing a Ruler Artoria min-turn?!?! Also as a sidenote, I know single core farming is going out of style, but her numbers are still higher than Tametomo’s ):
As a certified Rin-enjoyer, it saddens me to see Spishtar catching so many strays in this video, but... it's deserved. Here's hoping the bois shining a light on her *clearly* outdated skills puts the energy out there to finally get a cracked skill buff. Something along the lines of what Eresh got recently would do so much for her.
man, Chat deff speakin facts. Angry Mango really is EX tier as a Boss/Enemy Servant since his np as an enemy hurts significantly more, to the point the player version wishes they could do that much damage💀
Love the courage to stand your ground lmao, these comments are amazing. I also specially loved the whole last bit with Amakusa and Otto vs. Plushie in the end. This is probably my favorite tier list video ever lol. Also I'm sad that while I adore Arcueid, probably my second favorite servant only after Eresh, I have to 100% agree with Otto that she is incredibly boring :(. And they did her dirty with moon cancer... surely we'll somehow get another arcueid servant, or a buff that not only makes her stronger but also makes her gameplay more interesting, when Nasu finds some crazy absurd way to put her in some future story chapter right? Clueless
I personally would have placed S. Kiara in A+. I use my NP1 copy on any CQ that has multiple enemies in them; regardless of class. She's just such a solid and fun dps servant. Plus side is that her 1 time evasion stacks with Castoria's multiple-hit invincibility too. It's also good to argue that since we're ranking servants in what they're good at, of course you would not bring her to any CQ with enemies that have high debuff resistance or immunity. I'm satisfied with A because at least her best points about her being a DPS were still covered. Thank you.
This is not related to this list but isn't there a ce which gives damage mod against cursed enemies🤔🤔🤔... So having curse on skill or nps isn't as bad as it was before... That ce also has a starting gauge i think
I mentioned that on most of the Curse niche Servants briefly but it's still not the most relevant thing because anyone can just use curse CCs if you wanna utilize it.
these tier lists are so interesting and informative for me as someone who just seals through cq's and find them annoying to bother with makes me want to engage with the game on a deeper level, even though my chaldea enables me to be braindead (have all the meta supports + oberon)
While I agree Sumer Kama is the better arts looper in most cases I think Space Ishtar should be above Summer Kama due to her being able to arts and buster loop(not quick sadly even though I love quick) while Kama is just an arts looper. For whales it really doesn’t matter but f2p players can really invest in one(since you need multiple copies to get good damage and the proper supports for that card type) and SpIshtar can buster loop with Atlas Academy mysticcode which comes in very handy for weird 1-1-3 like notes which is something Kama can’t do. I think this versitality should put SpIshatar above Summer Kama. Whether you place them on A+ and A respectively or both on on of them is up to you really
I wouldn't put Kama there, she depends on the charm to do good damage and it will only last one turn, in 3-turn loops she will only reach high damage at the end, and if the enemy has passive magic resistance it will even fail, it has already happened to me when I used it at the time
I haven't seen final adjustments yet, but in defense of Jalter, I believe she should be A+ just for the damage. Her kit is simple, but it has the most important simple things. Shes a one use aerial strike and the amount of damage she can do is utility in itself. I dont have an arjuna Alter, but i believe that damage ceiling was also the reason he was EX, similarly I plead a case of A+ for her (EX++++ in my heart tho)
@@lumaw152 Both are great single target dps with very similar kits; both have crit up, atk up, buster up, absorb The count is certainly better just by nature of having that stun lock, but that by no means makes Jalter worse; at the end of the day they are both gonna absolutely incinerate whomever you point them at xD
Damn Space Ishtar that low?? I mean I understand that she's powercrept by S!Ibuki and S!Melusine. Idk I feel like she should just be next to Summer Kama. They are pretty much the same unit. But idk Plushie probably knows better than me
Honestly a 50% battery might be simple, but it makes Jalter a lot more useful in multi core than you’d think. I’d say she’s definitely one of the better servants for it now especially with how much dmg she does without being restricted by class most of the time. Plus she is also really strong for harder content because of her nullify and high dmg, while also having at least some survival. Current Jalter being useful in multi core, boss killing, and cq is a little too good of a package to be lower than A+.
Also something people really over look with Jalter multi core is that 40% atk for dragon allies... guess who are dragons that are able to farm almost anywhere? Saber Ibuki, Summer Ibuki, Lancer Melusine, Summer Melusine, Tiamat, and the list actually now goes on quite extensively! With the prominence of single target being used to do 90++ first/second wave I think with that battery addition Jalter has become a serious contender over other berserker options~ (not to mention the 30 star bomb on NP she drops can allow her to even take out a second single enemy wave depending on your setup or just give your other teammates the stars to NP gen or clean up an aoe wave~)
@@ninjablade2 yeah Jalter might have some old skills that need an upgrade still, but funnily enough some of her bad skills have somehow actually gotten more useful as newer units come out. Her kit is simple but very effective and has surprisingly good synergy with a lot of meta units/setups.
space ishtar below kama makes no sense , those units are interchangeable. Especially when you say you rate unit based on what they do the best. I think you let yourself be influenced by plushie's opinion on spishtar kit which is mainly for farming and had no business being observed on a CQ stand point. What is even more funny is that some AOE cq are just glorified farming nodes and spishtar destroys them unlike someone like dantes. Jinako in A+ is too much as well , you said it yourself at one time , defensive unit are not that valuable in the state of the game they arent bad but arent the best obviously because they arent very relevant , that is one of the argument that could put jinako in B+ if you consider how bad she is in both multicore and single core farming , because in both cases she wont be clearing waves despite the support she gives. Lastly plushie take doesnt warrant A+ , cause it is very niche and sound more personal than anything , just because she gives anti-lawful doesnt mean she is all of a sudden better than all the unit in A that give far more than her and in a more relevant way like spishtar , kama , pope johanna (has no business being here , should b at least A+ or even EX due to incredible versitality) or himiko with immortal comp (morgan castoria her) . What is funny is that it isnt even super necessary in the decisive point unless you want to TA or something (reason why i said earlier that it seem quite personal on plush part) and still niche. I btw always was a jinako defender and never thought she was bad even at release , this time tho i genuinely feel she is being overrated.
For jinako cases, i kinda see why you said that, but after watching alot of solo video of her and use her many time, i can say that i kinda agree with this tier list. In a solo run, she is pretty flexible despite her bad NP gain. As a support she is pretty good if i may say. Even without the lawful special damage, she still had that 30% NP damage up and the NP gain up. Altho, yeah, in some cases, i get what you trying to say. So well, to each their own i guess.
No one is saying that Jinako is better than everyone at A, you understand the whole list wrong. She is A+ because of what she herself does and brings to the table, not because she is better than everyone under her. Basically everyone in A can be substituted in one way or another. They are still good at what they do of course, A isn't a low rating after all but the fact remains that they aren't the end all be all for their respective roles.
seeing Jinako's buffed skill justifies her A+ rank. In the right scenario, she provides at least 100% damage increase from different STACKING damage modifiers. Solid support. She applies Invincible and Taunt too.
I agree with most of your placements Myst, don't be too scared of the comments. You also made me realize I have definitely not been using Jinako as much as I should; I currently take Amakusa more than her. So thanks!
In all honesty, I don't think Quetz should be in a lower tier than Martha. Like, Martha has literally just one turn of good damage and that's most of what she does
Why does Butterfly Blossom have skill names similar to Draco? Did she still them from Nero because she's a Mooncancer? She even has a skill with the name Grail in it too like Draco.
despite my criticisms in my other comment , i still think it is a good list overall , some lil inconsistencies here and there arent gonna ruin it if a large part of the placements are more or less deserved.
Crazy how the game has changed since early units like Astolfo where they gimped his gains super hard because the np has two evade stacks but now we have an easily loopable st nuker that basically guarantees a stun
Summer Chloe’s potiential in 3turns is crazy high, her practicality is non existent because 1 plug suit can be slow, 2 plug suits takes forever and the party cost out ways her value as a support, can be fun to make servants that couldn’t 3 turn now 3 turn but in a lotto she is kinda useless
Damn that Jinako take is wild (yes even after the JP buff is considered.) her ‘support’ capability doesn’t match up to the other servants capabilities in that tier.
6:03:00 “Ushi Gozen is a dps not a farmer” Respectfully disagree I since her release I have farmed every event, free quest and most of the lostbelt 5.5, lostbelt 6 and now traum with Ushi Gozen and a friend summer skadi because i don’t even have my own quick support on JP. Maybe it’s just because i have a fat copy but i rarely if ever have trouble getting her to farm outside of like a rough 90++ node I use her more than i use BG Arts loopers with castoria
Oh boy... Gonna have to grind this out the next couple days. If you were splitting the classes I expected this to be shorter... But I guess there are a lot of Rulers and Avengers (not a lot of Moon Cancers, tho) and they are all 5 Stars, mostly, so there is a lot to say... I would assume the next one will be shorter just because of how few Alter Egos, Foreigners, and Pretenders there are.
Not only Spishtar in A, she also below S Kama? Damn, that's another huge miss. This year's tierlists just can't stop getting them. I got NP2 Space Ishtar on first SW2 banner and it was a game changer for my account. She was an easy answer to any farm-nodes and non-bosses story-nodes even before Castoria. Even now after all other servants I get I still use her in farming, non-boss story and bring her in CQ if there is multiple enemies that don't have some really special gimmick. I would love to see buff for Spishtar, but even without it you just can't put her below S Kama. If you don't have any of universal arts loppers, getting either of them from GSSR will equally enhances your account.
I use both, and on the same team because they are actually bomb together with one Castoria FYI they you can trade NP each turn with both avaliable on turn 3. That said Space Ishtar can't touch Summer Kama's damage, and well Summer Kama never falls short Space Ishtar can even with three turns of ramp up. For most content it doesn't matter but Summer Kama is higher damage then Summer Ibuki-Douji turn 3 when it matters and no one acknowledges it just to make Space Ishtar sound better. Obviously the reason I use both is Space Ishtar has untouched utility but again that's better for multi-core, I'd do EX her and EX+ for Kama but I never leave home without summer Kama.
Plushie's point on the "everything's in a box" is 100% valid. Also like, I get that QSH isn't the beast that he used to be just because of the way fights are designed nowadays, but in the fights that he is applicable to, he's way more of a silver bullet than the likes of Jalter. A lot of those EoR, early lostbelt units are in a bad place in the "meta" right now because a lot of fight gimmicks have been really unfriendly to abilities that aim to control the threat an enemy can pose. Lockdown immunity + full NP on break is on like every fight worth talking about nowadays. Regardless of all that, I'd move Caren, QSH and Johanna to A+... maybe OG BB to A.
The thing about jalter is, she got another point plus beside being a DPS in a quest, which is you can use her for farming too. That is something QSH cant do. She is basically more flexible than him. Not to mention, despite being a crit DPS, he need an external support to generate star meanwhile jalter can easily generate alot of star even without her NP.
Yeah... I was running Caren for the V-day event and she was performing pretty well with a Triple Skadi comp, but my Caren isn't high investment. As for Jalter, even using her post buff and with flashy new animations, she still feels like a unit of her era. The biggest thing going for her is the cataclysmically high attack power that can be pumped up higher if you support her. On paper, QSH does more, even if he's slower.
I think Angry Mango deserves D or E+ over E if you’re accounting for synergy with other limited SSRs (specifically Caren). Even though you can trigger her passive with the Black Grail demerit, you won’t always have access to it (like say a 6 slot comp or if you simply don’t have one). Because of that, he does have a decent bit of value since he’s the lowest party cost way of triggering it. He only has a cost of 4 vs. Salieri’s cost of 7 who would be the second best choice. I do think that lower party cost does add some value to him though. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
i mean normally servants cover their own cost, but high class servants cost 16 certainly do way more than 4 angras, you can always just not bring one or two CE and take lobo
@@ultimatesonic47 harder to do in a lotto or when you’re running a 6 slot since with 6 copies of an event 5* CE you’ll only have room for like 4 SSRs, Mash, and a 2 star. Lobo won’t fit unless you skip out on having a 4th SSR or aren’t 6 slotting.
@@mattyhatesyou in what lotto would you ever need more than the front line? at that point you can bring one star servants in sub slots to bring your event CEs 2 ssr with ssr CE (friend servant on the front) 58 cost then 45 with 3 1star and 3 ssr CE 103 cost or 100 with mash and that in the case you get 5 ssr CE of the event when you would normally go for a mix with sr and r ce to get all the materials so more efficient farming would have a lower cost
They seriously overcooked with new Dantes. Then again, its not like balance hasn't been completely thrown out the window for a while now. Can we get a Scathach buff now? I'm terrified of future gameplay implications/design now that we have a servant that call loop stuns.
As someone with a grailed Bunnytoria, it’s hard to defend her. Her skill set is super inconsistent and her stats and deck don’t compliment her in any role. There was no reason for her Attack to be that low. She’s not awful, but she’s never a good option-just someone you use because she’s waifu.
The saddest thing about Gorgon is that if you read her profile one of the sections say that she possesses a 4th skill called Roar of Fear A++; which inflicts AoE fear, massive defense down for 1 turn, stacking defense down each turn, and a curse. But they didn't add that skill to the game because it was considered too broken.
It's a sad day for us Gorgonbros.
could lower the amount and make it 3 turns but every 4 turns so it doesnt stack then its more normal
Wait a debuff each turn?
I wanted that for the Abigails
Roar of Fear A++ (9T-7T):
Inflicts Terror status for 1 time, 5 turns to all enemies (60%-80% chance per turn to activate a 500% chance Stun)
Reduces their defense by 50% for 1 turns
Inflict a state where their defense is reduced per turn for 5 turns (10%-20% for 5 turns)
Inflicts Curse with 2500-5000 damage for 5 turns to them
Plushie's rant on Monte Cristo was incredible lmao.
"He's actually lucky that he didn't die before he gets to move."
Monte Cristo -> Avenger Castoria
@@brunosanto3488 I think he’d be the *best* single target DPS in the game if he was Arts and it wouldn’t even be close. He’s insane.
On a non-simping note. For anyone wondering about the chicken rib, mentioned by Plushie, iirc the saying originated prior to the three kingdoms era. Cao Cao had just taken over control of Hanzhong, but the city was besieged by Liu Bei shortly after. During this siege Cao's cousin, Xiahou Yuan, was slain in battle. When this news reached Cao, his subordinates asked what the right course of action was, to which Cao simply responded with chicken ribs. All but one were baffled. A minister by the name Yang Xiu was able to decypher the message. As Plushie mentioned, it's a waste to toss it despite the meat attached to is near negligible . In Cao Cao's case, Hanzhong was not particularly valuable and he was willing to abandon it.
In Himiko's case, she's just nice to have, but does not add anything to your account. This is my head cannon, not putting words in Plushie's mouth. You'll have to ask him yourself if that is what he meant when he mentioned chicken ribs.
I will say this about Himiko: Before Morgan was released, I used her to make the Invincible comp, and it always worked. It would take a lot longer than the Morgan version, but it was just as consistent (if not more, 5 hits Purge vs 4) as long as the enemy didn't have lots of healing every turn to outpace the occasional massive crits she could get with Merlin when you didn't need NP that turn.
Morgan is a lot more enjoyable for the consistent damage that makes fights not take forever, but Himiko still got the job done.
@@gunnarschlichting9886 personally, I don't give a rat's ass about immortal team comps. I really dislike using them. However, I do think Himiko's skills and role are weird. People often say she's a support, but barring skill 1, she is rather selfish. Even the np benefits Himiko more than her team. The party wide overcharge is just a nice bonus.
@@M0nk3yK1ng1 Yeah, Himiko has more on common with Super Orion than she does most supports, it just so happens that her buffs on NP are party wide and contains an Overcharge buff. She's more a hybrid Crit dps that also allows allies to do decent crit damage (especially Buster crits) as well, and usually works best with other crit focused Servants. It's just that Castoria has a busted OC effect that Himiko enables, because everything about Castoria is busted lol.
Another say to look at it is, she's a Buster focused, Ruler version of van Gogh, but with less insane multipliers and more selfish buffs in exchange for also being far less niche, which ends up not being worth the trade-off most of the time.
Edmond really came in with the same Class and NP Card Type and proceed to become one of the best ST DPS in the Game
He has high heels. HIGH. F@CKING. HEELS. On his second Ascension. ✨ A e s t h e t i c ✨
Abigail is in shambles
@@alisonmolina6670 has she ever been good, even on released and back then's standard ?
@@ShiraFuyu2022 yes
And I'm so happy for him (not so happy for my wallet when he comes out)
This is what you do with Salieri to make him do damage: You pop his first two skills if you don't see any Arts card on turn 1, and hope they both come up on turn 3. Then on turn 3 you either hope both Arts cards were there, or you pop Bunnytoria's deck change skill and hope you get both Arts cards for him. Then you swap out the Bunny with a Summer BB with a Golden Catches the Carp equipped, and lock in the cards. Then you pop skill 3 of Salieri on the boss, and do a NP-A-A chain for huge refund. Then you use Koyanskaya's Battery and Star Dump, pop skills 1 and 2 of Salieri again, and do another NP-A-A Chain for Massive Damage /s
He figured it out 💯
Or you can use any other avenger for the same dmg for half the brain power and time.
This is what you do with Salieri to make him do damage: hope 😂
I like that Otto picked up on the fact that Avengers have the highest attack value in each rarity they are present - Jalter for 5*, Gorgon for 4*, Salieri for 3*, and technically Angra Mainyu for 0*.
As a general avenger simp, this is the fact I personally like to bring up whenever the opportunity arises.
Average Avenger enjoyer
they also have an extra 10% on top of that due to their class multiplier
@@thefool8224 Which is even more powerful the more you invest levels and fous into them~!
for instance a 120 Jalter with 2k fous, and a level 100 atk CE (2k atk) has 21,017 atk stat +2101 from the passive boost making it 23,118 before any other mods/buffs xD
What I really like about using Caren is that it feels like you're setting the pace of the battle. With 2 drains you can decide when the enemy nps. With her taunt you can decide who gets hit that turn. She really feels like a defensive wall in quick teams. Plus her just being very reliable in farming and her damage being great and you get, dare i say, the best AOE quick unit. Also i really like her with Yui, even tho she drains her, because of her rainbow buff you can get Yui's buffs whenever you want and you don't have to wait as often for buff cds
No way in hell Himiko is worse than Jinako
How much money did Myst bribe these 2 to make Jinako A+ tier?
Nuclear hot takes right here.
Facts
I couldn't afford to bribe anyone 😂
wait, I'm not getting cash for that?
@@Ottobean you got scammed bro.
Better make sure Okita Alter gets put in D tier as payback xD
@7:33:30 Independent Manifestation is alway low rank (i.e. E rank) because the Beast itself is suppressing their Beast Nature when summoned.
When they stop suppressing their nature you get the *"BAD END"* (depending on how horny you are) where Kiara, Kama and Koyanskaya (wow, 3 Ks) kill you in their interludes or Valentine's interlude.
At that point that skill goes up in rank.
Imo, that's one of the reasons Kiara, Kama and Koyanskaya are always trying to *"corrupt"* us, their Master.
I remember Myst being worried as hell about Jalter's placement in the list, but I feel like Spishtar & Jinako's placements were probably the most controversial part of the list as a whole 😂
Good on you for standing your ground Myst! Excited to see Part 2 next week!
I started Jp around Summer so I got Summer Chloe. She was very good, especially since I lacked a ton of great supports. Honestly if a units np damage is already good enough and you just need refund running double Summer Chloe can also be a really fun setup, especially with Artoria Alter. Also she really should keep her manuscripts herself, its pretty stupid she doesnt.
Lobo is MAGIC, man. I cant even really explain why, but they ALWAYS come through. They never outright stomp any fight, but in my experience using them in every single ruler CQ over the past few years as well as some neutral CQs, they always have just enough damage, they always have just enough survivability and they always have just enough utility. And my lobo copy isn't even that good, up till a few weeks ago they were only 6/6/6 skill levels, and they're still ungrailed now. They're np4 now from spooks, but I've been using them since they were np1. They're just an honest servant with nothing busted but with all the tools they ever need to get the job done. I might grail mine soon too tbh, I've just grown to love them more and more every year, both as characters and in gameplay.
And I really love his S3, especially in the fights against qin shi huang and sherlock. Being able to completely nullify their nps with a skill button press is just... amazing. Top ten best feeling button presses in the game.
I can't even hate them for spooking me because I ended up using them more than my 5* avengers outside of farming lmao.
As much as I love Lobo a lot I still wish he had an evade I mean he ffs he had an entire ginmick with it in the story. So plz just give him a buff with atleast something of an Evade. Best doggo really deserves a bit more survivability imo.
Edit: Oh damn I thought he be ranked lower hurray!
@@TheTheKraven yeah , it is really stupid for agile or fast characters *cough* og dantes *cough* to not have evade
I personally think Otto's take on Avenger Kuro was really misplaced
He tends to downplay her gimmick but the thing is, her ability to swap while giving buffs allows other dps with lower NP than the usual requirement for min turn farming or CQ to be able to.
Comparing her to Waver was the most confusing thing, to be fair I didn't watch the entire thing yet at this point of time, but was said has been said and I think Otto doesn't truly understand how the east utilize her as a support as he keeps emphasizing "Just look out how people in JP use her on UA-cam, look at their comps" but he gotta remember, that's like below 0.01% of the actual community at the end of the day. On normal farming cases you'd use someone like Knocknerea, Santa Martha, Ruler Da Vinci for your 4 star picks and admittedly Kuro is the less picked out of the group but like Otto said, she's not exactly the best at buffing but what her ability to make access for another support is what covers that. The whole matter of Bond efficiency or whatever argument he was trying to make shouldn't really be a factor
Yeah fixed team and high party cost because you use her with other supports, not a cheap replace A support option, but the thing is that's exactly why people use her, other than she technically can't be replaced at what she does, she does it extremely well as a 4 star. Her position is sorta like a Miss Crane but for farming and can do it by pure skill and not NP
Again, she allows servants who normally wouldn't be able to clear or have a chance of safely kill an enemy due to low np levels to make use of that extra boost to clear the enemy, black grail or not, and the charge does actually make a difference
Also if party cost is a down for her they it should also be for yu in casters.. but that would be fair placement
Thank you guys for making this tier lists, i always have something to watch while I'm busy with my job or work at home, always watching them from the begging to the end❤.
3:04:59 lmao I don't blame chat all. As an avid first emperor enjoyer, i agree with their tier placement. I'd use them in every available cq possible and even in situations where they'd be at a disadvantage, QSH can somewhat do fine with the help of command cards. That said, ramping up their damage can take awhile, depending on the situation. but yeah, once you get the ball rolling, first emperor can dish out amazing numbers and can keep their tempo fairly well.
Otto's heart broke when Amakusa was about to go down lol
Im still pissed that Lasangle hasnt buffed Qin shi huang's np. Superhuman Orion and Van gogh exist, clearly they dont have a problem with giving passive star gen on np on crit focused characters
Orion is not as incredible as they make it out to be. His only survival is a 3-turn guts. It depends too much on the rng of the stars to generate criticals, it depends a lot on charging its np because it is almost 80% np, but it has 3 busters xd. In teams the ruler is better because of his two arts and he protects the team from an np st, also his class is much better and he has life recovery
@@ReInvader Orion doesn't need survival, he is there to SMASH and SMASH he does xD
If your enemy is still alive after 3 turns with him, you may be using him incorrectly, haha
@@ninjablade2 I'm talking about the last lb not about camelot's kindergarden fights or lb 1
@@ninjablade2 in that case, Qin shi Huang can deal a lot of damage too. It's just what a plushie said. Orion has one hit buster. That's why you see 1 million damage or something. Qin shi Huang can do that too.
QSH is a small star gen buff to being one of the best in the game, and honestly I wish he was
Dantes on A and Monte Cristo on EX tskr Myst-san 🙏
Dantes really rose from last year's placement, mainly because his competition contemporary is somehow worse than him.
"You're not gonna press the buster" for Spishtar is bullshit, if you happen to have Koyans light and not Castoria which was my case for a long time, Space Ishtar is a pretty decent Buster Looper, she's not the best, but she works.
I can't imagine playing spishtar without 100% card type buff on wave 1 and 2. Why do people do this to themselves? Just use her as arts. Keep it simple
@@Byssbod Because I didn't have Castoria, and Koyans+Oberon is much better than forcing arts with a single Castoria?
It isn't hard to understand.
She worked fine for all the content FGO NA had back then.
@@Byssbodalso, what kind of koyan system are you using where you don't press both her skill 3s turn 1?
Put a 50% CE on spishtar and she's good to go
Turn 1 pop all her skills, switch NP to buster and start looping
@@xolotltolox7626 the issue is in the koyan system spishtar isn't benefitting from the red buffs on all turns.
@@Byssbod yes she is, ehat the fuck are you talking about?
Are you confused because the NP damage only is 1 time 3 turns?
Because her NP card type change lasts 3 turns
Honestly it was kinda weird that right around when you guys were talking about Jinako and established that servants are ranked only at what they do best, you guys then left Spishtar at A tier lol. She has better damage on wave 1 and 2 compared to Kama, which I would argue matters more than wave 3. Just during last lotto you needed Np 3 Kama but only Np 2 Spishtar for comfy looping. The outside of farming argument holds no value based on your own rules.
But Kama was placed as a DPS on CQs mostly, not as a farmer.
@@MystFGO That sounds crazy, I've never heard anybody talk about her in that role. Fair enough though, not like I have experience on that
@@TheFlashzieShe is for anything with a huge life bar not just CQ but farming which will continue to become a bigger need.
People need to stop downplaying an AOE stun with Single target like damage on an AOE just to justify Space Ishtar being on the same tier.
I have both, I use both, I love using both together, they are both great servants, Kama is just a little better honestly.
@@VioletDeathRei for that reason why is kashin kojin in B+ as well? No one here that is doing these tiers tries most of the characters past day 1. Its just like they go by personal feelings and no experience on the matter some times. I advise you both to take this tier list as something fun to watch, not serious
@@bifeclassico Because Kashin is way more rng and has a worse card type and doesn't have the same damage potential. Assassin low class mod vs Avenger class with the 2nd highest ATK in the whole game.
I love when I’m watching these and laugh when I hear a mildly controversial take and Myst says “I can already imagine all the angry comments” because I always think “I doubt anyone would get too upset about that”
…and then Spishtar got put into A tier…
Great video as always! I always enjoy this series coming around every year and love to watch it during my commute or while gaming. Great content and gives lots of great ideas for servant usage outside of what most people know!
I can't agree more - new Dantes is just stupid - his skills and np are literally "Kenshin but better" in almost every way (did he really need 3 debuff immunities AND invul pierce) but Kenshin is already a top tier servant that was released less then 6 month ago. And yet somehow he's still worse then Bastoria because any semblance of balance has left to buy milk 3.5 years ago and hasn't returned since.
On a more positive note summer BB is a lot more fun with the "new" buff and mighty chains, she's probably the second best servant to pair with Gogh. She could have been A+ but unupgraded NP does hurt her but not her enemies, right now it's just a drain and BBB enabler if you are lucky. A small consolation is beacuse of how low the NP damage is you only need one copy so you can save for Doorman or Gogh.
Honestly, i don't really see the hype around Berserker Castoria.
I don't even think she was the best arts ST released last year when considering everything. Let alone the best ST overall
Sure in farming, she is maybe possibly the best (though even there Kintoki's damage advantage rears it's head)
but outside of that it isn't even close.
Dantes does 553k neutral by turn 2 Dantes also notably out--crits her (by 100k average damage over 3 turns)
This means you need 2 niches for Summer Castoria to be better outside of farming
@@adrastos8401Even with 2 niches, if Dantès is well stacked (not even fully stacked), his damage is superior, unless we take overcharge in consideration, or we are talking of a Threat to Humanity enemy that Arthuria will not be hitting 0.5x, in which case mainly Cernunnos come to mind (which also fills another niche), but then Dantès also deal 2.0x since it is a Berserker, and thus their damage end up quite equivalent anyways. With 7 stacks he is surpassing Arthuria's damage if she is hitting both her niches, and with 10 he surpasses her even considering that she is on Overcharge 3. Only with 4 and more overcharges, which honestly is quite unrealistic most of the time, her damage will be unparalelled, and that is counting them both with 2 Arthurias Caster and 2 Summer Skadis.
Still, that is not to say that she is not really absurd, and even if Dantès could catch-up to her damage even with 2 niches active, in this case I would use her, because her damage would be more consistent, since you also will not stay on 10 burns all the time. Honestly I have no idea how you can't see how powerful she is, and the only other Arts ST that I would say that is superior to her is Draco, but Draco is useless against Extras, while Arthuria works against anything but Foreigners. Kriemhild and Erice are both good competitions to her, and just as much universal, but given the superior utility tools that Arthuria has in her kit, I would say that she is better for someone without a lot of Servants. Definitively she was overhyped on last tier list by being on that separate tier, when you have Servants like Erice, Kriemhild and now Dantès, but that doesn't change she is a monster, and arguably the best Arts ST-best ST overall before Dantès existed.
@@Rahdwiin Dantes damage will be more consistent not less, because he isn't as reliant on skills for damage, he can maintain stacks with command codes during downtime, He can generate stars for crits on downtime too. You don't need 10 burns to win. 6 is enough when considering crits, something that can be pretty easily maintained with CCs.
Bastoria just doesn't work well with Castoria support. Her NP interferes with Castoria's. Her damage with double Castoria is low (basically the same as Kriemhild). She is 70% battery the servant. And even then a single NP from Vlad or Galatea and the refund difference makes up for the battery difference, so if you are using an NP twice in multicore, Vlad or Galatea are better, and if you are using it once Kintoki is better. and outside of farming Galatea is better, Kriemhild is better. Vlad and Erice are a little to much the opposite way being sucky without Castoria to be better than Bastoria, but you need to be good with and without Castoria.
Draco is worse. She doesn't work against the servants you want her too most, her triple buster deck is a problem (unlike Galatea her has her third skill to help), her damage is even lower than Bastoria's, needing 7 knights servants, and the roman command code to be useful against anything except berserkers and assassins.
She is good, but the only way she is close to the best ST arts DPS is if you assume her normal support self isn't available. And even then I would probably take Galatea, Astraea, or Kenshin, taking 1/3rd of the hits just isn't enough for a berserker without Castoria, RNG can easily screw Bastoria here.
@@adrastos8401Kriemhield's damage isn't low, so it doesn't makes sense for you to say that her damage is low because it's the same as Kriemhild; she (Kriemhild) is literally among the best STs in the game, straight-out better than Vlad and Galatea, though the former has more damage than her (by a little). All of these Servants basically score among the highest universal damages in the game, and the fact that Arthuria competes with them makes her simply amazing.
As for Draco, "needing 7 knights Servants", and a command code which is free, means nearly nothing. She is exactly what I said: with all her niches that are nearly a given and free, she will have colossal damage, the only one able to compete with Dantès besides very specific situations, and performing even better than him on many of them, however it does comes with a weakness; since her class is useless against Extra classes, you can't really say that she is an universal Servant like Dantès is, and therefore I would say Dantès is a favorite between these two-most of the times she will be absolutely amazing, but Dantès will be amazing on nearly ALL the times.
As for consistency, Arthuria Berserker will always be more consistent than Dantès when they are fighting a Chaotic AND Divine enemy. Her turn 1 damage will always be bigger, her turn 2 damage will most of the times be bigger as well, unless they are solo, and when Dantès is on cooldown on his burn stacking skill, even with command codes, his damage will decrease again, whereas Arthuria will ALWAYS be hitting at the very least the damage of Dantès with 7 stacks. With overcharges, she will be doing a damage so big that not even with 10 stacks he will be able to follow-up.
For double Arthuria Caster, honestly there is few point to begin with, to bring two Arthuria Casters unless you are a Servant who really needs them both like Vlad, and that is true specially for a Servant that likes overcharge-like Arthuria Berserker in the context of Chaotic AND Divine-a mix of Reines and Arthuria is much better, specially because on many quests you can't even bring duplicate Servants to begin with. And with Reines, you don't have to bother with putting the Berserker's NP before the Caster's NP, because with Reines spamming her NP, the Caster will already have enough overcharge anyways.
Basically she is much better than both Vlad and Galatea, and she only isn't straight-out better than Kriemhild because Kriemhild has her powerful buff removal before NP, something she doesn't have in any way, nor ignore invulnerability, which puts them both on a competitive spot. Draco is superior to both, in the many scenarios where she works, but if we are talking of a superior universal Servant, then indeed she loses because of being useless against Extras, and the one that comes in play instead is Erice Summer, a much better version than the Astrae that you mentioned.
As far as universal damage dealers go, these three: Arthuria Berserker, Kriemhild and Erice Summer are easily the best STs Arts in the game, and yet they lose against Dantès as I said, unless we are considering that the enemy is Divine AND Chaotic which is what I said in response to your own reply mentioning "unless she hits 2 of her niches", and if she does, she will simply be the best Servant in the game, and it's not even a competition. She will ALWAYS hit the equivalent to a Dantès with 7 stacks, from turn 1, and this damage will be further increased by the equivalent of a 50% NP Strength by each Overcharge level she gets.
I really have no idea from where you take that having a NP that will give you +100% NP Strength +50% per Overcharge level-which is what she does against Chaotic AND Divine enemies, the scenario you mentioned and the only scenario where I said she is more consistent-is being dependent on skills to do damage.
@@Rahdwiin Kriemhild's damage is low comparative to Vlad and Galatea. An NP2 Vlad matches an NP5 Kriemhild (619k for vlad vs 618k for kriemhild) with double supports. and the higher attack stat and upgraded NP means he will scale better with more supports. Sure Artoria berserker is amazing. Never said she wasn't. but that's the point, she just competes with them, she isn't the best of them.
Neither command code or seven knights servant are "free". Almost no major story bosses are servants (even like Morgan, Melusine, Li shuwen, etc. aren't servants when we fight them, let alone the obvious ones like Cernunnos and Demeter) In farming, only the third wave is a servant. Which can matter, but Draco's batteries are a bit awkward for farming, and you usually want the ST to clear an earlier wave too if you are using them on the third wave. The command code is limited to a specific event, and is not relevant for any future rate ups Draco may get, plus it requires getting one specific card (unlike say Dantes burns where you can slap 5 burn CCs on him and his skill applies to all cards anyway)
Artoria berserker loses her 50% arts and the overcharge when her skills are on cd. and the overcharge is 1 time bonus only
I am including Overcharge in the 6 stacks. You are using a suboptimal comp for Dantes. Double Summer Skadi is never the best for damage. It is only best for looping, which Dantes will suck at anyway. You want double Caster Skadi or Caster Skadi+Summer Skadi for both crit and NP damage. Her damage fluctuates quite a bit even against Chaotic and Divine enemies.
Draco works well when she works, pretty much anyone does. And it takes way to much to make her work, and even then her cards hold her back.
She just isn't one of the best. Of the 3 you mentioned the only one close to the best is Kriemhild. Summer Erice has worse card gains than Vlad without Castoria support (He can use Xu Fu better). And berserktoria is the opposite and just doesn't play well with the main arts support.
Berserker Castoria isn't even the best if she hits two niches, Kriemhild still actually wins overall because Georgios+Chaotic.
I take it from the fact that 50% arts up and 50% power mod are dependent on skills, one of those has a 4 turn downtime. that's basically half her damage buffs against a Divine and Chaotic enemy. Compared to Dantes who has defense down and burn SE on NP vs 60% buffs on skills. Even 30% SE from burn codes alone and the defense down keep him way more consistent than someone with a 1 turn 50% power mod on a skill and a 3 turn 50% arts on a skill. Especially when you consider crits too.
Yes, on two niches, she is really strong. But any servant hitting two niches is going to be nuts. Nemo against a super giant caster (Demeter says hi as one of the toughest bosses in the game if you think it isn't relevant) does a ton of damage too.
As someone with a level 118, soon to be 120, Spishtar, I’ll run some defense for my girl. Her challenge quest utility comes in during CQ’s where the enemy either changes what card type it’s immune/resistant/weak to, or where there are multiple enemies that each are immune/resistant/weak to a different card type. In these cases you use Spishtar’s card change skill not to run her as a Buster or Quick servant, but rather as an Arts servant until the ‘Arts Section’ is over, and then you switch to Buster or Quick for their section.
Semi unfortunately her best showcase of this has likely already past on NA during Teslafest. But anytime you can use an MLB damage CE and you can’t bring double supports then she really shines here. If you can’t bring double Castoria then you can bring a Reines instead and plug suit in an Oberon or Skadi for when it’s time to switch Card Types.
I wouldn’t even say this should change her tier placement, wherever she ends up. It’s probably one of the smallest niches around. But in that specific niche she has no real replacement.
I've watched every tier list so far and will continue to do so. I drive a lot for work, so these help the day go by smoothly. Keep up the good work!
For Summer Chloe I think she's really underrated as just a damage booster. Yes the battery enables servants that can't normally BG farm but I think it's much more practical to just use her as a damage booster, you can use all her skills turn 1 so she's gone by turn 2. 20% attack and np damage may sound lackluster but I've found it useful surprisingly often since getting her, it's universal and synergizes with Oberon. Here's an example with np1 lvl 90 Tiamat(BBG, cavalry class, non man enemy,standard VVO supports, new plug)
chloe, w1:138.2K w2:250.6K w3:811.1K
no chloe, w1:144.7K w2:199.8K w3:663.7K
That's a small loss of 6K damage for wave 1 in exchange for +50K on wave 2 and +147K on wave 3. Worth noting that 800K to a million is fairly standard for 90++ wave 3 servants. Pretty crazy for an np1 semi omni looper (this is definitely not Tiamat propaganda for extra 2 list).
if only Space Ishtar's 3rd skill is a 100% rainbow buff instead of 80%. she's definitely EX. she needs an update now especially with the new servants. she's still amazing though.
yeah, the chance are unnecessary for the current content
I can imagine the devs buffing her first skill and giving her buff success up.
I would rather have better base numbers, like more np gain and star drops and more hits on extra card.
I've used chloe's second skill to survive nps before where she like disappears to the backline so she cant get hit and immediately comes back out
Thing that was not mentioned about Kenshin and I find very important is that she is best at enabling Arts-only immortal comp with Lady Avalon and Castoria. Something neither Luvia nor Zerktoria can do well (either no overcharge or NP not working well with Castoria). With Kenshin you have 4 (Lady Avalon skill) or 5 stacks (Kenshin skill) of Anti-Purge Defense, which is better than Morgan. However, with Zerktoria you move between 3 and 4, with 3 being not enough very often (she has advantage of uncoupling her NP from supports, but it is still a problem).
Monte Cristo is so completely absurd. I never thought I would see anytime soon a Servant straight-out powercreeping Summer Erice, but Monte Cristo managed to do it. Even without any burn stacking his damage is already insane, surpassing Jeanne D'Arc Alter (with buffs from supports and all included) and coming close to the giga-Berserkers, and then when you start actually accounting his burn stacks, his damage just gets so colossally high that only a monster like Draco can compete with him with her niches that are all nearly free and a given. He is much more universal than her though, since he only doesn't work against Moon Cancers, which are...nearly non existent as enemies, whereas Draco is useless against all Extra classes, and on top of that, he has way more tools on his kit: Ignore Invincibility and a guaranteed stun, which is spammable. If that wasn't enough, he is probably the Servant with the highest synergy with Summer Skadi, having AMAZING critical hits.
Yeah, he is that crazy. It just takes one to look to the actual numbers to see that even if he is not from the best class of all-Berserker-he is still actually better than some of the most OP Servants released in the game so far, like Arthuria Caster Berserker, and Kriemhild.
i also love how chat was saying how he is boring as if they didn't just defend space ishtar and jalter.
brrrr instantly skipping to my favorite servant then going back to rewatch it it
Exactly what I do, start the video, watch my favourite servant reviews, restart video and play games with the video in the background 😂
So happy to finally see SKama's CQ's potential aknowledged. That partywide charm on top of the def down ramp up is really strong, you can very easily destroy at least a couple of bars one the first few turns and even ramp up the damage on the bulkier enemies with the blaze damage mod. Also really solid survivability with the double evasion + castoria and charm to lock down enemies. For farming i agree that she can be tied to Spishtar, but on bosses i think she's much better.
The defense down ramp up is no different than Space Ishtar's NP damage ramp up. And it's AFTER damage. Imagine a CQ with multiple waves, Kama may not get the full benefit of the ramp up like Space Ishtar does.
And the charm can miss, of course, which everyone always mentions when this topic comes up. The only thing I like more on Kama is the blaze on normal attacks. There are few situations where I would consider Kama better than Space Ishtar, and vice versa. They're just too similar and should be ranked the same.
3:40:04 From Three Kingdom, a quote of Yang Xiu (杨修), when he decipher Cao Cao's message, only to get beheaded because he was too good at reading Cao Cao's thought and intention
Also, I really want to see Cao Cao being in FGO one day
At the same NP level I'd take Summer Kama into a CQ before Space Ishtar every single time. I agree their farming is similar but I can see the half tier difference just from Kama's extra use as a DPS.
As a Jalter fan I gotta say I perfectly understand most sayin she is more of A, she lacks in many areas sadly but at the end of the day like most servants we like we gotta understand, no matter how bad they are, even E, we will still use em if we love em enough so fellas pull ur pitchforks down 😂
Except for Jekyll and Hyde, idk how that one is saved…
Man i've tried so hard to make jekyll and hyde work but he's the only servant I've had to give up on...
He needs something massive to save him, like not just making his np recastable but also giving him an np effect like "after NP immediately cast all of his new skills for free"
Jalter is a top 5 ST buster after her buff, lol
@@Founder_of_Morgans_Fanclubcan you say who those 5 are?
@@Karvantes that is true, I still think she could use some improvements with her charisma but besides it, A+ for me
Got her np3, my only 2k fou'd, and currently level 108. I agree. Summer Erice especially did her pretty dirty. While she is still top tier for nova damage, that is so rarely that useful these days that it is a lot less of a benefit to her name.
The Amakusa argument at the end 😂😂😂
I have Astraea NP4 and man she's one of the best DPS in my Chaldea, she destroys every evil boss in her way
I disagree with Skama being higher on the list than Spishtar. They should be on the same tier since both have downsides and upsides over each other. Like yes Skama has more use in CQs, but she is not all that reliable with her charm that can be resisted making her damage fall of significantly. Also her second skill is scuffed in farming since you either sacrifice damage on the first two waves, or you waste it on one of the early waves (in 90+ and 90++ it can make or break it).
Spishtar can miss arts up on her third skill that can affect refund and damage on lower mobs waves, but she has some utility for multi core since she provides party wide attack and her NP has ramp up on np damage that pretty much gives her a non mlb BG on wave 3 that synergies well with Oberon.
Also Rin faces > Sakura faces.
they are only interchangable in farming. in CQs and hard content kama is definitely better.
@@Phiro00 Not really for CQs don't use any of them and just bring Summer Ibuki instead. She is not that great of a CQ unit just cause of Charm. Honestly I don't see why ppl say she is even good at CQs Summer Kiara is far more versatile and reliable than her at them. ESP WHEN ALL OF THEM ARE NP1.
@@Phiro00Kama's charm even fails against the third line servant in daily farming and you say it's good for cq xd
@@ReInvader yes because she actually has a complete and functioning skill set compared to space ishtar. You cant honestly sit there and try to tell me spischtar has a CQ presence. Kama is so infinitely better in hard content. Her charm failing isnt even that bad in dpsing, because her 3rd skill can guarantee high dmg anyway.
@@Phiro00 They should both go in the same position. I see that one is given a lot of favoritism when if she doesn't hit her charm she loses a good part of the damage potential and on top of that it's only once every 7 turns (if she hits it right). It could be a little better for cq but in itself it doesn't stand out in it and space is more consistent in its damage, besides it can work in any system and she doesn't depend on the enemy's resistance or she has bad damage the first two waves like the other
This is probably just due to it being an early day balancing nerf, but it still astounds me that Robin Hood's NP got nerfed, but then they release an NP like Draco's and then don't smack her over the head for it.
I have to agree that Jinako is a really good secondary/tertiary support. To be fair, I can see myself freely shuffling servants in A and A+ depending on the situation. The only questionable thing is Antonio's placement, he always find a way to do some work in multi class nodes even with his gimped skill set. I would say B.
Strongly agree w/Plushie on Dantes, he's unhealthy for the game. Way too strong of a character, his np gain should be alot trashier with that np. The day Quick gets a good defensive support he will be the best dps in the game easy.
Eh
Look quick needs his bullshit it’s still the worst card type
@@TrueBladeSoul Give it a better support then, or at least more than literally 1 support (skadi and summer are only slightly different). They just hate quick for some reason, Xu Fu was clearly supposed to have been a quick support, it just makes waaay more sense.
If he was a saberface I would hate it and complain, but since it’s Dantes I’m absolutely fine with him being broken 😂
@@100StepProgram fair
And Ibuki isn't? Gtfo dude. Quick needs more strong characters
I also disagree on Summer BB being on A. Should be A+. If she ever gets an NP buff she is easily EX. Her kit just makes SENSE. She shits out stars with her 1st and 2nd skills and crits reliably and well with the same skills. Jinako is not above her that is pure bias there. Summer BB is the single best dps against Avengers and is a train that never stops. Jianko sure fills out a more supportive role but her supportive capabilities are not A+ worthy.
Sadly Qin, our king doesn't make it to A+ but, he will always be the imbodiment of "When you unlock a boss, and they are as strong as you fought them" He doesn't have 3 hp bars so his invul makes up for it.
i wanna spishtar to change deck based on np type. for quick it`s BAQQQ, for arts BAAAQ and for buster BBBAQ. if u think that 3 arts would be broken, remember her arts cards gains, it`s pretty bad. sadly i doubt devs would do this but we can imagine
The only thing I can think of that would make Angra neat is if he had QQQAB deck and you somehow kept him alive multiple turns that quick buff is the biggest in the game and it isn't close because of the rampup since turn 1 40% isn't too bad, 80% is absurd, then 120%+ is just holy steroids batman. So with OG Skadi his quick crits would be incredibly stupid with his 10% crit dmg passive and Skadi's quick crit damage up. The problem there is his defensive skills are his one guts, attack down, and no crits.
But bad stats
Something I didnt mention about summer Chloe and wasn't brought up is her 2nd skill is technically a dodge. She can jump out of the party and avoid attacks which is a really unique function and kinda acts like a 1 turn evade.
I think people should need to stop looking at looping to be the end all of good placement.
This is why I like these discussion on the tier list. Because they bring up teh CQ , dps , boss fights and support also as a factor
I'll never forget the one time that Summer BB's burn immunity came in handy during the Gilfest Nero Bride CQ with Billy inflicting burn. I was tweakin when I saw that.
I knew I’m gonna be mad because of Salieri. I will try to defend my beloved’s honor even though he deserves a buff
I got Salieri on the first day of the playing the game from the GSSR and for a very long time he was my only Avenger. Of course he’s np5, but I had a lot of experience with him even before his buff and Castoria.
Even at np1 his damage against rulers is acceptable because of okay crits and counter class. Salieri lacks attack buff and 3 times 3 turns skills are kinda sad. I wish his absorb and defense down wasn’t 1 turn. Despite this,
1.He is chaotic evil and that allows him to use crit and atk buffs from Douman
2.Debuff on his np can be easily clenced by Castoria
3. Really heigh atk stats and class carries him, at lvl100 his stats are better than some SSRs
Salieri’s performance is okay in general. I like to use him as anchor against rulers and my big fat copy can farm with black grail
If Ranmaru is added to evocation shop, he is dead and so am I with my 2k foed 100lvl grailed Salieri copy
Aah a fellow Salieri enjoyer I see :') he's one of my main looper too (lvl 90 but still trying to 2000/2000 him). Super happy I managed to NP5 him on junao's banner.
He's doing pretty good job on farming as you said with double castoria. I also have Douman so I always bring them together if I want to see some big crit. he's a 3* too so the cost party isn't too high.
I'll gladly accept the buffs if they decided to, my man deserved it honestly :'D 🙏
I'm a salieri enjoyer myself but I unfortunately have to agree with his low placement. Just so we are clear, my copy is lvl120 10/10/10 skills, 10/10/10 appends and 2k/2k fou.
His rarity really hurts him. Yes I understand a grailed copy does have more attack than even some SSRs, but I'm pretty sure they're not factoring grails in this list, and would be highly unrealistic. So moving forward in my discussion I'll be assuming a NONE GRAILED Salieri.
As a farmer he's ok, he has really good refund and has good loopability, but that's sadly pretty much it. Him not having a battery of his own severely hurts his flexibility in farming, because the moment an irregular node shows up, he instantly has trouble clearing it. Not to mention farming neutral damage as a 3 star really does hamper his looping since he can't overkill as often.
Another point against our boy is his Crit Potential. He's an Arts AoE Avenger, which is probably one of the worst combinations for a crit servant imo. Arts inherently has the hardest time critting since they can't generate them as easily and being an Avenger means he has very bad star weight. Yes I know he has innocent monster but it's like the bottom tier version, which only gives 10 stars and his Star absorb only lasts 1 turn. It barely does much especially thanks to him being a 3 star.
Second to the last point I have is his 3 hits 5 turns arts buff. It directly makes both of his playstyles work against one another during CQs. You're forced to pick between looping his NP or saving the arts up for crits, he can't do both which is counter intuitive.
And last point I have is his availability, he's a story locked 3 star. That should be self explanatory by itself. 😂
@@Zictive I agree with everything you said, especially about battery, but I still think that he is not D, it’s too harsh
Recently, I have managed to pull off S.Kama solo on Prison Tower and Camazotz, and without Honey Lake and Jeanne CC.
For Prison Tower I managed to find a consistent skill cycle and everythings left was praying for Jeanne to not crit and Dante to not use his skill.
For Camazotz, 1000 years was use to push his NP to a turn slot where I can dodge his NP using evade and Mephisto was used to prevent 1st guts and a Sure-hit,finding out he cannot use 2 extra skill in one turn was revolutionary as I can try to NP 3 times in 4 turn so he will use the his other skill than putting up NP resistance.
A little more Jalter backup here, something people really over look with Jalter multi core is that 40% atk for dragon allies... guess who are dragons that are able to farm almost anywhere?
Saber Ibuki, Summer Ibuki, Lancer Melusine, Summer Melusine, Tiamat, and the list actually now goes on quite extensively!
With the prominence of single target being used to do 90++ first/second wave I think with that battery addition Jalter has become a serious contender over other berserker options that don't have any additional support to give~
(not to mention the 30 star bomb on NP she drops can allow her to even take out a second single enemy wave depending on your setup/dealt cards or just give your other teammates the stars to NP gen or clean up an aoe wave~)
haven't seen it yet but already know skadi gonna be on that EX timing
Banger list. Watching plushie defend against Jinako non-believers was a treat to witness. 10/10 will watch again
Would not be surprised if more and more CQ bosses come in as Stun immune now. It's a self-created problem from the devs since Monte Cristo didn't need to have a 500% base chance to begin with, but eh.
Love these discussions. Keep them up guys 🙌🏾
Can someone explain why Myst doesn’t like buster spishtar?
I mean, what's to like? It's Spishtar's weakest form.
@@kusanagi-no-tachi5303lol 🤦
still confused about the different placements for spishtar and s.kammer. Since theyr release we always put them in the same tier since their arts looping is 99.5% the same. Meanwhile I admit that kamas challenge quest is better, but not THAT much better to warrant half a tier. While Spishtar can do Buster too and doing legit numbers. She functions as any other 50%CE Busterlooper so I dont understand why it never gets the credit for these tierlists. So i would kinda hope to put her on the same tier as S.Kamer just because spishatrs utility warrants the A+the same as S.kamas CQ presence (which again, isnt that much better, considering you can run spishtar with bustercrit teams if you want).
EDIT:
I see even arceuid is A+, considering np1 i dont see how she would be a better farmer than spishtar. With the antitrait they are EVEN imo
Bro 8 hours of myst analyzing servants... This is the best day of my life.
I don't know if I like Kama above Space Ishtar tbh. Her charm dependent damage feels like a hinderance. But otherwise pretty good list. 🎉
Since QSH is one of my favourites, I'd like to see him get a buff which gives him stars over turn. And something like Dantes buff where he removes buffs with crits would be perfect too.
I have managed to solo Prison Tower and Camazotz with Kama so she is not that bad. With out Honey Moon (or the CEs with SE againts burn) or Jeanne CC btw, it is pretty rough but doable with Kama.
@@mmlaughing6458 Oh I'm not saying Kama is bad at all. I'm just saying I don't agree that she is better than Space Ishtar. I think Space Ishtar's flexibility is better.
Agreed in farming as soon as there's a servant with a modicum of debuff resist there's a non negligible chance for her to screw your run over
Except her damage isn’t dependent on charm. The charm is just icing on the cake, it’s bonus damage. And even if you don’t get that, you’re still getting a 20% NP buff for 3 turns.
@@pougetguillaume4632Reality is she just does not have enough dmg to use on 3rd turn enemies though. Usually I use a 2nd dps for that, she is often used to deal with 2nd turn and damage buff for 3rd turn. She is loop able enough that you can use her NP 3 times with minimal buff but still have enough dmg for big enemy in either 1st or 2nd turn which make her more flexible than Ishtar since she does not have to build up.
I'm happy to see Draco in EX this year!!😄I can't wait for the final episode of this anime arc next week!
Pov 3rd tierlist I’ve finished watching 1 day b4 the next ones supposed to be made:
The thing about Salieri is he was meant to be a Farmer, not a DPS that will have an endurance test against the other classes except Moon Cancer. That's why all of his skills are capped at 3T. DW back then already giving him that farmer role as a budget Avenger. Again, he is NOT meant for endurance DPS, he's only a farmer that if needed with his mediocre damage, he can crit the high HP mob so you can still 3T a node.
He came out several years before Castoria
@@Ottobean Nasu already confirmed that planning for FGO takes 3 years in advance during his joint interview with David from Star Rail. Being released several years before Castoria doesn't mean a thing when she's already planned to be released. The things we are getting right now are pre-planned for 3 years worth, and Salieri having that kit was already a foreboding thing. Remember that Sieg, the ultimate farming welfare, was also released before Castoria, even Paracelsus. There are Servants that they planned to be Farmers, and not DPS with endurance.
@@cainlaxeus06112 Nah no way it's 3 years, that's super exaggeration. This is just 2D turn based game dude. It's probably 1 year at most
if he was designed to be good with a servant released several years after him then why isn't he good with them lol
@@Ottobean still rn he deserves at least B , he can W castoria oberon with bg and his dmg are huge
this is pretty much a pretty correct list with the only odd part is that kagekiyo is either top of A+ or bottom of ex. also I'm on the fence with Marie alter because she's weird for me.
They have a veil in front of their eyes because of the new Dantes, although Taira is still one of the best solo performers and this will not change. What exactly puts her lower now than last year, or other servants, is an open question
3:13:00 I started FGO when summer 4 dropped on NA. Bunnythoria saved my ass a lot of times during the Singularities. In a lot of boss battles(including Solomon) she was the last servant standing and won the battle.
3:08:00 What lobotomized freak of nature is doing a Ruler Artoria min-turn?!?!
Also as a sidenote, I know single core farming is going out of style, but her numbers are still higher than Tametomo’s ):
As a certified Rin-enjoyer, it saddens me to see Spishtar catching so many strays in this video, but... it's deserved.
Here's hoping the bois shining a light on her *clearly* outdated skills puts the energy out there to finally get a cracked skill buff. Something along the lines of what Eresh got recently would do so much for her.
man, Chat deff speakin facts. Angry Mango really is EX tier as a Boss/Enemy Servant since his np as an enemy hurts significantly more, to the point the player version wishes they could do that much damage💀
Love the courage to stand your ground lmao, these comments are amazing. I also specially loved the whole last bit with Amakusa and Otto vs. Plushie in the end. This is probably my favorite tier list video ever lol.
Also I'm sad that while I adore Arcueid, probably my second favorite servant only after Eresh, I have to 100% agree with Otto that she is incredibly boring :(. And they did her dirty with moon cancer... surely we'll somehow get another arcueid servant, or a buff that not only makes her stronger but also makes her gameplay more interesting, when Nasu finds some crazy absurd way to put her in some future story chapter right? Clueless
Lets go late night upload for the win! Who needs school anyway?
I personally would have placed S. Kiara in A+. I use my NP1 copy on any CQ that has multiple enemies in them; regardless of class. She's just such a solid and fun dps servant. Plus side is that her 1 time evasion stacks with Castoria's multiple-hit invincibility too. It's also good to argue that since we're ranking servants in what they're good at, of course you would not bring her to any CQ with enemies that have high debuff resistance or immunity. I'm satisfied with A because at least her best points about her being a DPS were still covered. Thank you.
This is not related to this list but isn't there a ce which gives damage mod against cursed enemies🤔🤔🤔... So having curse on skill or nps isn't as bad as it was before... That ce also has a starting gauge i think
I mentioned that on most of the Curse niche Servants briefly but it's still not the most relevant thing because anyone can just use curse CCs if you wanna utilize it.
these tier lists are so interesting and informative for me as someone who just seals through cq's and find them annoying to bother with
makes me want to engage with the game on a deeper level, even though my chaldea enables me to be braindead (have all the meta supports + oberon)
While I agree Sumer Kama is the better arts looper in most cases I think Space Ishtar should be above Summer Kama due to her being able to arts and buster loop(not quick sadly even though I love quick) while Kama is just an arts looper.
For whales it really doesn’t matter but f2p players can really invest in one(since you need multiple copies to get good damage and the proper supports for that card type) and SpIshtar can buster loop with Atlas Academy mysticcode which comes in very handy for weird 1-1-3 like notes which is something Kama can’t do. I think this versitality should put SpIshatar above Summer Kama. Whether you place them on A+ and A respectively or both on on of them is up to you really
Damn, Otto destroyed Chloe’s whole career. For me though she allows Summer BB to use Double Koyan and Oberon and that for me is what matters.
Let’s go, I was the guy who messaged Myst about Amakusa
Never expected to see you comment here
I wouldn't put Kama there, she depends on the charm to do good damage and it will only last one turn, in 3-turn loops she will only reach high damage at the end, and if the enemy has passive magic resistance it will even fail, it has already happened to me when I used it at the time
I haven't seen final adjustments yet, but in defense of Jalter,
I believe she should be A+ just for the damage. Her kit is simple, but it has the most important simple things. Shes a one use aerial strike and the amount of damage she can do is utility in itself.
I dont have an arjuna Alter, but i believe that damage ceiling was also the reason he was EX, similarly I plead a case of A+ for her
(EX++++ in my heart tho)
yeah but new dantes exist and i don't think they are that close in tiers.
@@lumaw152 Both are great single target dps with very similar kits; both have crit up, atk up, buster up, absorb
The count is certainly better just by nature of having that stun lock, but that by no means makes Jalter worse; at the end of the day they are both gonna absolutely incinerate whomever you point them at xD
is Draco good on NP1. she is very tempting to np 2and higher but I don't know if I could get 1 copy the least.
She's good on np1
No you need NP2. NP2 is needed for full ECE comps Duel DPS and cost management. You need NP3 now tho for alot of farmers cause they want the money.
Yes
@@flareless6713 cap
Damn Space Ishtar that low?? I mean I understand that she's powercrept by S!Ibuki and S!Melusine. Idk I feel like she should just be next to Summer Kama. They are pretty much the same unit. But idk Plushie probably knows better than me
She is not even powercrept , they are just better at doing what she can do.
That isnt a powercreep
@@morsayxdThat's literally what powercreep is
Plushie is just bias towards Kama and we all know that, Spishtar and Kama are both in the same tier
"youre not gonna push that Buster button". * me buster looking with spishtar*: '-'
Honestly a 50% battery might be simple, but it makes Jalter a lot more useful in multi core than you’d think. I’d say she’s definitely one of the better servants for it now especially with how much dmg she does without being restricted by class most of the time. Plus she is also really strong for harder content because of her nullify and high dmg, while also having at least some survival. Current Jalter being useful in multi core, boss killing, and cq is a little too good of a package to be lower than A+.
Also something people really over look with Jalter multi core is that 40% atk for dragon allies... guess who are dragons that are able to farm almost anywhere?
Saber Ibuki, Summer Ibuki, Lancer Melusine, Summer Melusine, Tiamat, and the list actually now goes on quite extensively!
With the prominence of single target being used to do 90++ first/second wave I think with that battery addition Jalter has become a serious contender over other berserker options~
(not to mention the 30 star bomb on NP she drops can allow her to even take out a second single enemy wave depending on your setup or just give your other teammates the stars to NP gen or clean up an aoe wave~)
@@ninjablade2 yeah Jalter might have some old skills that need an upgrade still, but funnily enough some of her bad skills have somehow actually gotten more useful as newer units come out. Her kit is simple but very effective and has surprisingly good synergy with a lot of meta units/setups.
space ishtar below kama makes no sense , those units are interchangeable.
Especially when you say you rate unit based on what they do the best.
I think you let yourself be influenced by plushie's opinion on spishtar kit which is mainly for farming and had no business being observed on a CQ stand point.
What is even more funny is that some AOE cq are just glorified farming nodes and spishtar destroys them unlike someone like dantes.
Jinako in A+ is too much as well , you said it yourself at one time , defensive unit are not that valuable in the state of the game they arent bad but arent the best obviously because they arent very relevant , that is one of the argument that could put jinako in B+ if you consider how bad she is in both multicore and single core farming , because in both cases she wont be clearing waves despite the support she gives.
Lastly plushie take doesnt warrant A+ , cause it is very niche and sound more personal than anything , just because she gives anti-lawful doesnt mean she is all of a sudden better than all the unit in A that give far more than her and in a more relevant way like spishtar , kama , pope johanna (has no business being here , should b at least A+ or even EX due to incredible versitality) or himiko with immortal comp (morgan castoria her) . What is funny is that it isnt even super necessary in the decisive point unless you want to TA or something (reason why i said earlier that it seem quite personal on plush part) and still niche.
I btw always was a jinako defender and never thought she was bad even at release , this time tho i genuinely feel she is being overrated.
For jinako cases, i kinda see why you said that, but after watching alot of solo video of her and use her many time, i can say that i kinda agree with this tier list. In a solo run, she is pretty flexible despite her bad NP gain. As a support she is pretty good if i may say. Even without the lawful special damage, she still had that 30% NP damage up and the NP gain up.
Altho, yeah, in some cases, i get what you trying to say. So well, to each their own i guess.
completely agree with everything.
Learn how to use paragraphs please
W take
No one is saying that Jinako is better than everyone at A, you understand the whole list wrong.
She is A+ because of what she herself does and brings to the table, not because she is better than everyone under her. Basically everyone in A can be substituted in one way or another. They are still good at what they do of course, A isn't a low rating after all but the fact remains that they aren't the end all be all for their respective roles.
Spishtar is A+ for me if Skama is up there too.
Space ishtar below Kama is a crime
I feel like ishtar is much more flexible
A good tier list otherwise
seeing Jinako's buffed skill justifies her A+ rank. In the right scenario, she provides at least 100% damage increase from different STACKING damage modifiers. Solid support. She applies Invincible and Taunt too.
I agree with most of your placements Myst, don't be too scared of the comments. You also made me realize I have definitely not been using Jinako as much as I should; I currently take Amakusa more than her. So thanks!
In all honesty, I don't think Quetz should be in a lower tier than Martha. Like, Martha has literally just one turn of good damage and that's most of what she does
Why does Butterfly Blossom have skill names similar to Draco? Did she still them from Nero because she's a Mooncancer? She even has a skill with the name Grail in it too like Draco.
despite my criticisms in my other comment , i still think it is a good list overall , some lil inconsistencies here and there arent gonna ruin it if a large part of the placements are more or less deserved.
Crazy how the game has changed since early units like Astolfo where they gimped his gains super hard because the np has two evade stacks but now we have an easily loopable st nuker that basically guarantees a stun
Summer Chloe’s potiential in 3turns is crazy high, her practicality is non existent because 1 plug suit can be slow, 2 plug suits takes forever and the party cost out ways her value as a support, can be fun to make servants that couldn’t 3 turn now 3 turn but in a lotto she is kinda useless
Damn that Jinako take is wild (yes even after the JP buff is considered.) her ‘support’ capability doesn’t match up to the other servants capabilities in that tier.
6:03:00 “Ushi Gozen is a dps not a farmer”
Respectfully disagree I since her release I have farmed every event, free quest and most of the lostbelt 5.5, lostbelt 6 and now traum with Ushi Gozen and a friend summer skadi because i don’t even have my own quick support on JP. Maybe it’s just because i have a fat copy but i rarely if ever have trouble getting her to farm outside of like a rough 90++ node
I use her more than i use BG Arts loopers with castoria
Oh boy... Gonna have to grind this out the next couple days. If you were splitting the classes I expected this to be shorter... But I guess there are a lot of Rulers and Avengers (not a lot of Moon Cancers, tho) and they are all 5 Stars, mostly, so there is a lot to say... I would assume the next one will be shorter just because of how few Alter Egos, Foreigners, and Pretenders there are.
Not only Spishtar in A, she also below S Kama? Damn, that's another huge miss. This year's tierlists just can't stop getting them.
I got NP2 Space Ishtar on first SW2 banner and it was a game changer for my account. She was an easy answer to any farm-nodes and non-bosses story-nodes even before Castoria. Even now after all other servants I get I still use her in farming, non-boss story and bring her in CQ if there is multiple enemies that don't have some really special gimmick.
I would love to see buff for Spishtar, but even without it you just can't put her below S Kama. If you don't have any of universal arts loppers, getting either of them from GSSR will equally enhances your account.
I use both, and on the same team because they are actually bomb together with one Castoria FYI they you can trade NP each turn with both avaliable on turn 3.
That said Space Ishtar can't touch Summer Kama's damage, and well Summer Kama never falls short Space Ishtar can even with three turns of ramp up.
For most content it doesn't matter but Summer Kama is higher damage then Summer Ibuki-Douji turn 3 when it matters and no one acknowledges it just to make Space Ishtar sound better.
Obviously the reason I use both is Space Ishtar has untouched utility but again that's better for multi-core, I'd do EX her and EX+ for Kama but I never leave home without summer Kama.
Plushie's point on the "everything's in a box" is 100% valid.
Also like, I get that QSH isn't the beast that he used to be just because of the way fights are designed nowadays, but in the fights that he is applicable to, he's way more of a silver bullet than the likes of Jalter.
A lot of those EoR, early lostbelt units are in a bad place in the "meta" right now because a lot of fight gimmicks have been really unfriendly to abilities that aim to control the threat an enemy can pose. Lockdown immunity + full NP on break is on like every fight worth talking about nowadays.
Regardless of all that, I'd move Caren, QSH and Johanna to A+... maybe OG BB to A.
Imo Caren is way too loaded not to be EX, she's very cracked.
The thing about jalter is, she got another point plus beside being a DPS in a quest, which is you can use her for farming too. That is something QSH cant do. She is basically more flexible than him.
Not to mention, despite being a crit DPS, he need an external support to generate star meanwhile jalter can easily generate alot of star even without her NP.
Yeah... I was running Caren for the V-day event and she was performing pretty well with a Triple Skadi comp, but my Caren isn't high investment.
As for Jalter, even using her post buff and with flashy new animations, she still feels like a unit of her era. The biggest thing going for her is the cataclysmically high attack power that can be pumped up higher if you support her.
On paper, QSH does more, even if he's slower.
I think Angry Mango deserves D or E+ over E if you’re accounting for synergy with other limited SSRs (specifically Caren). Even though you can trigger her passive with the Black Grail demerit, you won’t always have access to it (like say a 6 slot comp or if you simply don’t have one). Because of that, he does have a decent bit of value since he’s the lowest party cost way of triggering it. He only has a cost of 4 vs. Salieri’s cost of 7 who would be the second best choice. I do think that lower party cost does add some value to him though. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Found the copium comment of the list this time 😂
Applauding the effort though 👍
@@MystFGOI’m a big Caren simp so felt obligated to attempt a defense for him. 😂
i mean normally servants cover their own cost, but high class servants cost 16 certainly do way more than 4 angras, you can always just not bring one or two CE and take lobo
@@ultimatesonic47 harder to do in a lotto or when you’re running a 6 slot since with 6 copies of an event 5* CE you’ll only have room for like 4 SSRs, Mash, and a 2 star. Lobo won’t fit unless you skip out on having a 4th SSR or aren’t 6 slotting.
@@mattyhatesyou in what lotto would you ever need more than the front line? at that point you can bring one star servants in sub slots to bring your event CEs 2 ssr with ssr CE (friend servant on the front) 58 cost then 45 with 3 1star and 3 ssr CE 103 cost or 100 with mash and that in the case you get 5 ssr CE of the event when you would normally go for a mix with sr and r ce to get all the materials so more efficient farming would have a lower cost
the spishtar slander is heart breaking...
GIVE HER A BUFF
They seriously overcooked with new Dantes. Then again, its not like balance hasn't been completely thrown out the window for a while now. Can we get a Scathach buff now?
I'm terrified of future gameplay implications/design now that we have a servant that call loop stuns.
You asked, they delivered
As someone with a grailed Bunnytoria, it’s hard to defend her. Her skill set is super inconsistent and her stats and deck don’t compliment her in any role. There was no reason for her Attack to be that low. She’s not awful, but she’s never a good option-just someone you use because she’s waifu.