***** First of all, by your own logic your god must have an builder. On that fact alone, your argument fails. But lets forget all your false logic, and trow you a bone, lets say the universe is created, and the creator doesn't need a creator, what evidence you got that the creator of the universe is the god mentioned in the bible? Lets also forget the fact that everything in the bible is proven wrong, about how the universe works and its history. See how much of reality we have to ignore for your ''argument'' to work? We even need to ignore the words of your god. And even now you fail, because if we ignore all that, you can still not prove the creator of the universe is the guy mentioned in the bible.
this one guy I dueled with in a comments section wanted me to watch a 40+ hour playlist of "Truth" wherein it was a repetitive compilation of the same old, same old creationist arguments. It claimed to present evidence, said evidence being their own faith.
+Robert Lindey the answer is the question. It's a closed loop. God created himself.. at least that's what they claim. It's the only possible way :P It's not hard to understand.. if god created everything.. he is everything.. If the universe didn't exist.. he is also nothing. all at once. I ask you.. what does that mean to your question? By that logic.. nothing created everything. But i thought atheists think that! That's because everyone does. The word "god" = nothing inside religion That's how it works. you might as well pray to nothing as that's what god really is. Nothing and everything at the same time. It's the only way it could be possible.. If they were correct. lol
***** How about a world where greed gets away with it and we are stuck to hate them? If there is a god, may he strike down the greedy and give back to the world for once he "came"
if Captain America is real, so are the Avengers... that means Thor is real, so let us all obey Thor, at least he used to be a god in some places of the earth. I'm kidding, but it actually makes more sense than anything anyone ever said on Fox "News"
@@jeff1992000 First off it isn't a quote from a movie. It's a reference to a comic story from WW2. Second off what you've said backs up the points many atheists make. It's a story therefore not factual. Edit: Referring to the subject of religion.
Lies! Lies! Lies! There is an enormous amount of archeological evidence that disproves the Bible. In fact, most archeologists gave up on proving the Bible decades ago. This guy learned well from his brother Rush, on how to give parts of a true story, and leave other true parts out so as to create the narrative that their position is correct.
Clay Smith if its an honest person and giving an honest view, they wont be in fox news the true testament to bullshitness if something or someone is being endorse by fox news
he is making money off of conservative fundamentalist Christians with this bullshit book because it's easier to get money out them than non believers and non religious people.
Charla Lee why work in a religious related field if you are not gonna suck people money or use them for your personal advantage? thats kinda the main purpose of religion in the first place
+Clay Smith It's because the bible was written too long ago. It's not correct in our new world. Things that are written a long time ago will ALWAYS be somewhat incorrect. Why do people defend the bible? It's a losing battle. Everything points to lies.
That dude, Darkmatter2525, made a video pointing out that last statement called "God's god", and think that is an interesting point. We're designed by a designer, but who designed our designer?
***** I liked the episode of " The thing God doesnt know" where he is picking who goes to heaven / hell and someone asks him if he ever did some weird ass thing that would be considered bad.
Really dude? I had that thought when I was like 5. It isn't novel enough to be pointing people to a video about it...I would think most humans have had the same thought concerning the nature and existence of god/s at one point or other.
***** Nice try, but ... no. Those with belief/faith in a 'god' posit an ultimate source of all being that is supernatural and completely unique. To say that this ultimate source has a designer is inane.
I'm SO glad the host stopped short of claiming mother theresa was a good person, when in actuality she DELIBERATELY made people suffer agony so "she could get close to god"! She went out of her way to ensure the people in her care were denied basic medication, as she felt that the only way she could be holy was to witness suffering. and BOY did she cause a lot of it! Not only that but she accepted blood money from dictators and drug dealers! A TRULY odious woman
May be a horrible thing but Limbaugh's just need to be sterilized then killed and locked in a iron coffin with chain around it in an unmarked grave sealed in concrete because those mother fuckers might rise from the dead they are so evil lol xD
As a kid i never believed, i thought it was just stories with lessons to make you a better person...then i realised everyone around me thought it was real and that religion isnt a way to better yourself but its something you can use to act like a dick and think you are right, so i ran for the hills and never looked back
Lol when i was little i thought that it was intreasting but church and all the bible bs dident take with me beacuse Christianity dident affect me like it affected my parents
Not for me, Mother Theresa was a horrible monster, a lot of people died/were put in worse conditions because of that person's corrupt and evil ways. Someone who thrives on human suffering to feel closer to God... that's just sociopathic
3:05 Actually, we can make a difference between good and evil without religion; explained in Adam Lee’s essay “The Ineffable Carrot and the Infinite Stick”, available on Patheos Nonreligious. In a nutshell, I don’t need a Bible in order to feel pain and want to avoid it.
If there was no evil, there would be no reason to compare good to it. Because there wouldn't be any evil. There is no reason why an omnibenevolent, omnipotent god would create evil. Yet here we are.
If God is willing to destroy all evil, but not able, he is impotent. If he is able, but not willing, he is malevolent. If he is able and willing, why is there evil? If he is neither able nor willing, then how can he be God?
This is what's really going on. As more and more stop believing, every one who profits from religion and anyone that wants to be in the spotlight will come out and try to keep the bullshit going. People are waking up and they can't stop it. Religion is dying.
One believed in torturing people to death for having been raised in the wrong religion. The other believed in torturing people to death because it "purified their souls". It's a very, very subtle difference.
Everything in the Torah, New Testament and Koran is purely fictitious. Don't get me wrong, though, of course; just because there are ruins in Mycenae and on the coast of Turkey doesn't prove there's a Zeus.
He easily states that bullshit because it was live. They believe once it's stated in front of ignorant it will stick. Sad thing is, their right. When we live in a world where 84% if not more, believe in a God and haven't read their book with a rational mind. They'll believe anything stated with the right amount of charisma, swag and pretty lights.
+Immanuel M. Eames It's all just a game. Lets mix our unknown together and make god shall we? Sure that sounds fun! we might as well start believing in everything we read. how about it?
It is amazing how much money has been wasted by grown men trying to find the remains of Noah's ark. The book said it was made of wood. If it was real, it would have rotted away by now. Loonies!
Yeah because Boma Boma is much.... Mmmmmmuch too intellectual to believe in God. We're, we're, we're beneath him...... Intellectually....... We're, we're, we're, out of our league..... Intellectually.
I just say "make god appear" and then rub it in when they can't, Oh and guess what? they will never be able to either, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ooooohhh my stomach hurts from laughing so much.
Note: Carbon dating is used for short timespans with a half life of 5.7K years. The age of the Earth figured out by a different radiometric method like Uranium-Lead or Samarium-neodymium.
I'm not a Christian, but I have to say any person that says "the God of the Bible doesn't exist because bad things happen" has clearly never actually read the Bible.
2:09 I like how Fox thought it was necessary to put up a graphic of a ripped sheet of paper in front of the bible that says "ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE", like that's what intellectually seals the deal for what's being claimed for the audience. Just so much facepalm, I need another face and like 5 more hands
Being a highschooler i can tell you that a LOT more kids these days are athiest/Agnostic/Diest...I do live in the California Bay area which is supposed to be very athiestic but still I am talking out of the 20 ish people I socialize with a decent amount only 3 are not athiest...
Whenever I hear a fundamentalist saying that " no other religious book" says this or that about humanity, the cosmos, or whatever, I am positive they have never actually read any other religious writing.
_God can either do nothing do stop catastrophes, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn't exist - therefore he is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick carefully."_ - *Sam Harris*
2:00 Every time someone brings that up "oh, we found a place mentioned in the bible" it's pretty easily dismissed. *Tokyo* existing does not mean that God *zilla* exists.
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree Revelation 7:1 (do I get a cookie?)
...and then they counter (or so they think) with, "But god has infinite complexity," thereby making the entire argument even more convoluted, confusing, and, by definition, confusing. It's just an argument they cannot win and one where they have to violently shove back the goal posts.
Can somebody please send me Kyle's studio street address so I can mail him a lengthy letter about how Mother Theresa is actually more alike Hitler than he thinks she is.
As someone who is a Catholic and beileves in a God. I refuse to let my beilefs change my view on how the world should be run. And my religion is just what I personally believe, and half the stuff on the Bible isn't even accurate. So it shouldn't be taken as 100% accurate. The minor details aren't true. Just be a good person and never. NEVER let your beilef be reflected on other people.
Regarding the moral equivalence of Hitler and Mother Teresa, perhaps Chris Hitchens can help. Shit, I can even make a case that Hitler was morally superior - in that his life, and the effects of the same, led to a greater increase of good than did Teresa of Calcutta. And if I wanted to keep it real, I might point out that both of these individuals are effectively caricatures in that neither one is truly known as they were in themselves. Hitler was no more the Antichrist than Anjeze was a saint. The degree to which we ascribe honorable and/or dishonorable traits to key historical figures is largely determined by which chair we're sitting in.
@secular talk Just a note, at 6:30 you mention radio active carbon dating as if it could be used to determine the age of the earth. Radio active carbon 14 only has a half life of 5,730 years so it's only good for a few tens of thousands of years. Also, only for once living matter which obtained the carbon from the atmosphere. Radiometric dating using uranium-238's decay to lead-206, with a half-life of about 4.5 billion years, is more useful and uses mineral crystals.
Actually "mother Thereasa" was atleast as bad as Hitler. Traveling the world, begging for money to help the poor, then spending it to build churches. NOT 1 person was helped by all that money in any way.
Jesus is about 2000 years late according to Bible. Mark 13:29-31 (KJV) "29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. 30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. 31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away."
I remember asking my former step mom, "if God created us, then who created God"? she then replied with, "His Mothers and Fathers". And then I asked, "Then who created them"? She quickly tried to evade the question with some other bullshit that had to involve how great God is..... hilarious!
Just a thought about the golden rule... What if somebody is a masochist and likes having their balls trodden on? Should they treat others the way they want to be treated?
The problem with holy books and morality is that it simply teaches what to think, instead of how to think. IT teaches that in sunday school, you should parrot back the ten commandments to Mrs. Smith, because that is what she wants to hear, and what she thinks you should be able to do. You are never asked to explain why, and on the off chance you are, the expected answer is that God will punish you if you break any of the commandments. Then, as adults, you'll go around nodding your hea to authority figures and parroting back whatever phallacy they want you to reply with. This is how we end up with modern day Nazi's that don't even understand that they agree with Hitler, and that half of our population are fascists. They hear the boogy man words they've been conditioned to fear and they shrink away, and they throw them at the people they disagree with without really understanding what any of them mean.
If he believed, or believes, Jesus to be god, then he is willfully violating the bible -- Jesus worshiped a god who commanded not to put any before him. So either Jesus was god worshiping himself, or they are putting Jesus before the god Jesus worshiped. Man that Jesus was a real narcissist - "Saint Paul's Joke: 'The Punch Line's A Killer'"
Justin Griffith God wouldn't worship god -- that is the perpetual sequence Kyle refers to. God would need to accept itself as god. But consider god's condition, by definition god is everything ... picture awakening with no prior memory, none of your five senses, no need to eat or drink and no facility to do so. All you know is that which is inside you mind and the awareness that you exist. That's the problem god would have. Since there is, as far as you know, nothing but your thoughts, how much of an egomaniac would you be? Any thought that references another, or something external to your pure thoughts, would be irrational and totally unconfirmable -- there is no external where you can test any hypothesis. To worship and external requires there be an external. The best god could do would be to accept its own thoughts. Note that all the religions insist there is another place -- an existence external to ours ... a heaven and hell ... our frame of reference has senses and internal and external ... but think in terms of not having that ... just the ability to think. an egomaniac? really?
if first you get back massage and then you get a hard slap across the face, do you really need an outside source to tell you which one of those is good or bad?
It's dangerous for either side to react without knowledge. You must look at the world from all angles to get the best picture, and too few people do this.
The whole "no other holy book does this" is such a bad argument. So it's a competition, we'd just pick the best option and assert that as absolute truth?
Not to mention the fact that Egypt had a strong hold over Canaan in the supposed time of the conquest by joshua or that architecture attributed to Solomon has been carbon dated to be from the time of the omride dynasty hundreds of years later or even that biblical descriptions of locations supposedly from the 14th century bc and older have much more in common with 7th century versions (meaning those stories were probably written in the 7th century bc).
I don't know with the Hitler vs Mother Theresa thing. Mother Theresa isn't a good person. It seems logical to say that Hitler is worse, but Mother Theresa was so sickly bad too that I don't feel comfortable with saying either one is objectively worse.
They always claim to have evidence, but never share it. Why is that? Hmmmmm.
they lied
***** First of all, by your own logic your god must have an builder.
On that fact alone, your argument fails.
But lets forget all your false logic, and trow you a bone, lets say the universe is created, and the creator doesn't need a creator, what evidence you got that the creator of the universe is the god mentioned in the bible?
Lets also forget the fact that everything in the bible is proven wrong, about how the universe works and its history.
See how much of reality we have to ignore for your ''argument'' to work? We even need to ignore the words of your god.
And even now you fail, because if we ignore all that, you can still not prove the creator of the universe is the guy mentioned in the bible.
***** Yeah but that's not valid. If you try to use that in court you're insane.
this one guy I dueled with in a comments section wanted me to watch a 40+ hour playlist of "Truth" wherein it was a repetitive compilation of the same old, same old creationist arguments. It claimed to present evidence, said evidence being their own faith.
*****
When's the last time you pinched a loaf? Afterwards, you'll start to feel normal again.
My take on "Intelligent design." Why would such an intelligent designer design and produce such an unintelligent species?
+Robert Lindey the answer is the question. It's a closed loop. God created himself.. at least that's what they claim. It's the only possible way :P
It's not hard to understand.. if god created everything.. he is everything.. If the universe didn't exist.. he is also nothing. all at once. I ask you.. what does that mean to your question? By that logic.. nothing created everything. But i thought atheists think that! That's because everyone does. The word "god" = nothing
inside religion That's how it works. you might as well pray to nothing as that's what god really is. Nothing and everything at the same time. It's the only way it could be possible..
If they were correct. lol
+Robert Lindey
i mean, on the female models, the waste port is right next door to the playground.
who does that?
Hej
*****
How about a world where greed gets away with it and we are stuck to hate them? If there is a god, may he strike down the greedy and give back to the world for once he "came"
+Robert Lindey god created us in his image; explains why were hateful, egotistical, genocidal maniacs
There's evidence Brooklyn exists, that doesn't mean Captain America is real.
if Captain America is real, so are the Avengers... that means Thor is real, so let us all obey Thor, at least he used to be a god in some places of the earth.
I'm kidding, but it actually makes more sense than anything anyone ever said on Fox "News"
Wait hes not?!? Dude now i have to rethink my religion...i guess i can base it off deadpool
Just4MTF also Thor promised to destroy frost giants, do you see any frost giants? Nope? Thank you Thor
TheOtakuX a quote using a movie which is not real, your real intelligent lol!
@@jeff1992000 First off it isn't a quote from a movie. It's a reference to a comic story from WW2. Second off what you've said backs up the points many atheists make. It's a story therefore not factual.
Edit: Referring to the subject of religion.
My fucking god. That tv segment made me loose IQ points
"The Bible is the good book" They're right. The pages are a great substitute for toilet paper!
good for blunts
pages aren't usually as soft as toilet paper though
bolaji odude Ya gotta make do with what you have sometimes.
WHAT? HOW DISRESPECTFULL!!
it sucks as toilet paper but it's great for rolling joints
Toilet paper? I use them to throw at people
Mother Theresa wasn't a nice person. She took joy in suffering.
+Lady of Crows
she didn't try to cure anyone, she turned buildings into a mass prison for the dying
hmm, well, I'm basing my knowledge on a documentary, so I could be wrong. But didn't she get the nobel price?
Lady of Crows No, she got the Nobel Prize. But, so what?
Well, I'd have thought they wouldn't have given it to her if she did indeed have a "mass prison for the dying."
Lady of Crows They did't know until it was too late and locked up.
The ghoul of Calcutta was not a nice person at all.
+Krister Andersson Amen.
+Krister Andersson A hellish woman if there ever was one!
"I don't know if there's a worse kind of fame than being Rush Limbaugh's brother."
Sure there is. Being Rush Limbaugh.
how can you be an attorney and still not understand the burden of proof.
wait what? the brother of Rush "blame them liberals" Limbaugh is an attorney?
"Fox News, the alternative history channel" -- Bill Maher.
+jeff darnell "Fox News, Well you might as well slam your head into a car and you would make more sense then us!" - Me
the history channel is the alternative history channel any more...
faux news is fantasy land.
Lies! Lies! Lies! There is an enormous amount of archeological evidence that disproves the Bible. In fact, most archeologists gave up on proving the Bible decades ago. This guy learned well from his brother Rush, on how to give parts of a true story, and leave other true parts out so as to create the narrative that their position is correct.
Clay Smith if its an honest person and giving an honest view, they wont be in fox news
the true testament to bullshitness if something or someone is being endorse by fox news
he is making money off of conservative fundamentalist Christians with this bullshit book because it's easier to get money out them than non believers and non religious people.
Charla Lee
why work in a religious related field if you are not gonna suck people money or use them for your personal advantage?
thats kinda the main purpose of religion in the first place
+Roma X true lol
+Clay Smith It's because the bible was written too long ago. It's not correct in our new world. Things that are written a long time ago will ALWAYS be somewhat incorrect. Why do people defend the bible? It's a losing battle. Everything points to lies.
The answer to every Christian argument ever: because God.
Funny how Christians claim that Satan is the evil one, yet the bible is filled with horrible acts that are gladly attributed to God.
I once burned a bible and keeping me warm was the only time the Bible has ever done anything good.
Michael Parker # good man
That dude, Darkmatter2525, made a video pointing out that last statement called "God's god", and think that is an interesting point. We're designed by a designer, but who designed our designer?
***** I liked the episode of " The thing God doesnt know" where he is picking who goes to heaven / hell and someone asks him if he ever did some weird ass thing that would be considered bad.
Really dude? I had that thought when I was like 5. It isn't novel enough to be pointing people to a video about it...I would think most humans have had the same thought concerning the nature and existence of god/s at one point or other.
if that were true then religion would probably be dead.
***** Just wait 3 days and it will rise again Hallelujah!!
***** Nice try, but ... no. Those with belief/faith in a 'god' posit an ultimate source of all being that is supernatural and completely unique. To say that this ultimate source has a designer is inane.
I'm SO glad the host stopped short of claiming mother theresa was a good person, when in actuality she DELIBERATELY made people suffer agony so "she could get close to god"! She went out of her way to ensure the people in her care were denied basic medication, as she felt that the only way she could be holy was to witness suffering. and BOY did she cause a lot of it! Not only that but she accepted blood money from dictators and drug dealers!
A TRULY odious woman
yet another good argument for birth control.
No; these Limbaugh spawn are a good argument for retroactive abortion.
May be a horrible thing but Limbaugh's just need to be sterilized then killed and locked in a iron coffin with chain around it in an unmarked grave sealed in concrete because those mother fuckers might rise from the dead they are so evil lol xD
religion never took to me as a kid either.
i thought it was just a game the adults played.
As a kid i never believed, i thought it was just stories with lessons to make you a better person...then i realised everyone around me thought it was real and that religion isnt a way to better yourself but its something you can use to act like a dick and think you are right, so i ran for the hills and never looked back
Lol when i was little i thought that it was intreasting but church and all the bible bs dident take with me beacuse Christianity dident affect me like it affected my parents
They ALWAYS say "There's so much archaeological/scientific/whatever evidence available." Then they NEVER name a single example. Ugh.
I can never tell if these people genuinely believe their bs or they're malevolent. And i grew up fundamentalist
Adolph Hitler and Mother Theresa are different people??
If you have a reference point
not by much they where both death cult charlatins
Not according to Chris Hitchens lol
Not for me, Mother Theresa was a horrible monster, a lot of people died/were put in worse conditions because of that person's corrupt and evil ways. Someone who thrives on human suffering to feel closer to God... that's just sociopathic
I frankly thought Hitler was the worst of the two, but I may be biased because Mother Theresa never invaded Norway.
3:05 Actually, we can make a difference between good and evil without religion; explained in Adam Lee’s essay “The Ineffable Carrot and the Infinite Stick”, available on Patheos Nonreligious. In a nutshell, I don’t need a Bible in order to feel pain and want to avoid it.
"It goes back to the suffering." What a sad way to view existence.
The guy talks like they kidnapped his family and made him say this
If there was no evil, there would be no reason to compare good to it. Because there wouldn't be any evil.
There is no reason why an omnibenevolent, omnipotent god would create evil.
Yet here we are.
If God is willing to destroy all evil, but not able, he is impotent.
If he is able, but not willing, he is malevolent.
If he is able and willing, why is there evil?
If he is neither able nor willing, then how can he be God?
Fox Believes the bible is literal? cows also go "moo"
First comment on ISIS execution video
"This reaffirmed my faith"
This is what's really going on. As more and more stop believing, every one who profits from religion and anyone that wants to be in the spotlight will come out and try to keep the bullshit going. People are waking up and they can't stop it. Religion is dying.
God was created in the mind of man to answer what was at the time unanswerable. With science those times have changed enormously, almost daily.
One believed in torturing people to death for having been raised in the wrong religion. The other believed in torturing people to death because it "purified their souls". It's a very, very subtle difference.
4:25 - 4:28 The summary of all my religious arguments EVER
That God is a cruel douche? He's worse
Everything in the Torah, New Testament and Koran is purely fictitious. Don't get me wrong, though, of course; just because there are ruins in Mycenae and on the coast of Turkey doesn't prove there's a Zeus.
He easily states that bullshit because it was live. They believe once it's stated in front of ignorant it will stick. Sad thing is, their right. When we live in a world where 84% if not more, believe in a God and haven't read their book with a rational mind. They'll believe anything stated with the right amount of charisma, swag and pretty lights.
+Immanuel M. Eames It's all just a game. Lets mix our unknown together and make god shall we? Sure that sounds fun! we might as well start believing in everything we read. how about it?
I lost it as soon as Kyle said "Super god" and I could not gain my composition until the end of the video.
I love these videos! Please never stop
It is amazing how much money has been wasted by grown men trying to find the remains of Noah's ark. The book said it was made of wood. If it was real, it would have rotted away by now. Loonies!
Fox news is so explicitly biased. Here's the irony though, their slogan reads, "fair and balanced". lol. smh
Anyone ever get that feeling like you're screaming bloody murder inside? Cuz I think that's happening to me right now...
this guy wants to prove bible using "science" hahaha
Yeah because Boma Boma is much.... Mmmmmmuch too intellectual to believe in God. We're, we're, we're beneath him...... Intellectually....... We're, we're, we're, out of our league..... Intellectually.
Golden Rule: "Do unto others, before they can do unto you".
Who buy these books? According to Bill Maher, the same book all over again and again.
Taresa let little children suffer cause she thought it brought them closer to god >_>
I just say "make god appear" and then rub it in when they can't, Oh and guess what? they will never be able to either, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ooooohhh my stomach hurts from laughing so much.
Limbaugh:We've got tons of evidence.
Goes on and on without mentioning one piece of said evidence in the interview. Good enough for fox.
Note: Carbon dating is used for short timespans with a half life of 5.7K years. The age of the Earth figured out by a different radiometric method like Uranium-Lead or Samarium-neodymium.
It seems this guy is very biased when he talks, and he's not an atheist, he's an anti-theist.
I wish I had the narcissism and complete lack of self-awareness to confidently fill a book with nonsense and bullshit. Too bad I have standards
I remember reading David Limbaugh's book "Persecution" back in 2009.
The town of Hamelin exists in Germany, therefore the Pied Piper of Hamelin existed. Therefore Jesus is real. Checkmate, atheists!
I'm not a Christian, but I have to say any person that says "the God of the Bible doesn't exist because bad things happen" has clearly never actually read the Bible.
Mass Debator He's pretty wrathful.
SpadaccinoLuciano This! God is kind of a jerk, even in his own book
2:09 I like how Fox thought it was necessary to put up a graphic of a ripped sheet of paper in front of the bible that says "ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE", like that's what intellectually seals the deal for what's being claimed for the audience. Just so much facepalm, I need another face and like 5 more hands
Being a highschooler i can tell you that a LOT more kids these days are athiest/Agnostic/Diest...I do live in the California Bay area which is supposed to be very athiestic but still I am talking out of the 20 ish people I socialize with a decent amount only 3 are not athiest...
Whenever I hear a fundamentalist saying that " no other religious book" says this or that about humanity, the cosmos, or whatever, I am positive they have never actually read any other religious writing.
mother teresa was no saint herself
The difference between people is BEHAVIOR
_God can either do nothing do stop catastrophes, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn't exist - therefore he is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick carefully."_ - *Sam Harris*
2:00 Every time someone brings that up "oh, we found a place mentioned in the bible" it's pretty easily dismissed. *Tokyo* existing does not mean that God *zilla* exists.
If the Bible is 100% fact, then Donkey from Shrek is based off of a biblical story.
Lmao! where does it say the Earth is flat??
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree Revelation 7:1 (do I get a cookie?)
"ya there are a lot of archaeological and scientific that affirm the bible"... you want to name one specific example?
Now now now, let's not rule out the possibility of a seven headed dragon. I want one
Seven-headed dragons? So was Yamato no Orochi in the Bible? Now I AM kinda interested...
I'm so glad that everyone in my family is an atheist
Obviously, delusional behavior must run in their family.
...and then they counter (or so they think) with, "But god has infinite complexity," thereby making the entire argument even more convoluted, confusing, and, by definition, confusing. It's just an argument they cannot win and one where they have to violently shove back the goal posts.
Can somebody please send me Kyle's studio street address so I can mail him a lengthy letter about how Mother Theresa is actually more alike Hitler than he thinks she is.
As someone who is a Catholic and beileves in a God. I refuse to let my beilefs change my view on how the world should be run. And my religion is just what I personally believe, and half the stuff on the Bible isn't even accurate. So it shouldn't be taken as 100% accurate. The minor details aren't true. Just be a good person and never. NEVER let your beilef be reflected on other people.
Regarding the moral equivalence of Hitler and Mother Teresa, perhaps Chris Hitchens can help.
Shit, I can even make a case that Hitler was morally superior - in that his life, and the effects of the same, led to a greater increase of good than did Teresa of Calcutta.
And if I wanted to keep it real, I might point out that both of these individuals are effectively caricatures in that neither one is truly known as they were in themselves. Hitler was no more the Antichrist than Anjeze was a saint.
The degree to which we ascribe honorable and/or dishonorable traits to key historical figures is largely determined by which chair we're sitting in.
@secular talk Just a note, at 6:30 you mention radio active carbon dating as if it could be used to determine the age of the earth. Radio active carbon 14 only has a half life of 5,730 years so it's only good for a few tens of thousands of years. Also, only for once living matter which obtained the carbon from the atmosphere. Radiometric dating using uranium-238's decay to lead-206, with a half-life of about 4.5 billion years, is more useful and uses mineral crystals.
He thinks Mother Theresa was a good person 😂
Actually "mother Thereasa" was atleast as bad as Hitler. Traveling the world, begging for money to help the poor, then spending it to build churches. NOT 1 person was helped by all that money in any way.
they are embarrassed to be religious now and are not christians anymore, they want to be called intelligent designist..sounds smarter
I've stared at my belly button for twent years, and I believe that the lint in there is the result of intelligent design.
Jesus is about 2000 years late according to Bible. Mark 13:29-31 (KJV) "29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. 30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. 31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away."
Absolute morals don't exist
I remember asking my former step mom, "if God created us, then who created God"? she then replied with, "His Mothers and Fathers". And then I asked, "Then who created them"? She quickly tried to evade the question with some other bullshit that had to involve how great God is..... hilarious!
Just a thought about the golden rule... What if somebody is a masochist and likes having their balls trodden on? Should they treat others the way they want to be treated?
say I was doing a medical study and had to do an assignment and I quoted from the Bible men living 900 years as factual.
well both Hitler and Mother Teresa contributed to the deaths of millions so, there, in that sense, isn't big difference between the two :D
He may be looney, but he has a better speaking voice than the fingernails on chalkboard of his brother.
"What is truth?" - Pontius Pilate
So where is evidence of the earth being round?? we don't have both!
I think FOX stands alone as a little Primary School Play Group
"Scientific evidence shows the universe couldn't happen on its own". Really? Because we mathematically proved the universe came from nothing.
So, there is no tall or short people, because there is no outside reference? There is such a thing as a relative, internal frame of reference.
Kyle have you read hitchens writings on Theresa .?
The problem with holy books and morality is that it simply teaches what to think, instead of how to think. IT teaches that in sunday school, you should parrot back the ten commandments to Mrs. Smith, because that is what she wants to hear, and what she thinks you should be able to do. You are never asked to explain why, and on the off chance you are, the expected answer is that God will punish you if you break any of the commandments. Then, as adults, you'll go around nodding your hea to authority figures and parroting back whatever phallacy they want you to reply with. This is how we end up with modern day Nazi's that don't even understand that they agree with Hitler, and that half of our population are fascists. They hear the boogy man words they've been conditioned to fear and they shrink away, and they throw them at the people they disagree with without really understanding what any of them mean.
Show me the evidence. ( where have I heard that before?) Lmfao.
Unless I misheard him, he said he didn't believe in Christianity, but he never stopped believing Jesus was God. O.K. . . .
If he believed, or believes, Jesus to be god, then he is willfully violating the bible -- Jesus worshiped a god who commanded not to put any before him. So either Jesus was god worshiping himself, or they are putting Jesus before the god Jesus worshiped.
Man that Jesus was a real narcissist - "Saint Paul's Joke: 'The Punch Line's A Killer'"
I think it's creepy that god worships himself! How much of an egomaniac do you have to be man.
Justin Griffith God wouldn't worship god -- that is the perpetual sequence Kyle refers to. God would need to accept itself as god. But consider god's condition, by definition god is everything ... picture awakening with no prior memory, none of your five senses, no need to eat or drink and no facility to do so. All you know is that which is inside you mind and the awareness that you exist.
That's the problem god would have.
Since there is, as far as you know, nothing but your thoughts, how much of an egomaniac would you be? Any thought that references another, or something external to your pure thoughts, would be irrational and totally unconfirmable -- there is no external where you can test any hypothesis.
To worship and external requires there be an external.
The best god could do would be to accept its own thoughts.
Note that all the religions insist there is another place -- an existence external to ours ... a heaven and hell ... our frame of reference has senses and internal and external ... but think in terms of not having that ... just the ability to think. an egomaniac? really?
if first you get back massage and then you get a hard slap across the face, do you really need an outside source to tell you which one of those is good or bad?
It's dangerous for either side to react without knowledge. You must look at the world from all angles to get the best picture, and too few people do this.
CJ Werleman is an Australian born atheist author and i highly recommend looking up his books.
what the fuck? there's stuff that happened in real life that is in the Bible? so? London and kings cross exist, doesn't make harry potter true!
The whole "no other holy book does this" is such a bad argument.
So it's a competition, we'd just pick the best option and assert that as absolute truth?
The acorn didn't fall far from the Limpbrain tree..
Look at them all paying careful attention.
Not Surprised!
They're not talking about the Bible. They're talking about the Babel. The Babel is factual. The Bible, however, is up for debate.
Not to mention the fact that Egypt had a strong hold over Canaan in the supposed time of the conquest by joshua or that architecture attributed to Solomon has been carbon dated to be from the time of the omride dynasty hundreds of years later or even that biblical descriptions of locations supposedly from the 14th century bc and older have much more in common with 7th century versions (meaning those stories were probably written in the 7th century bc).
I don't know with the Hitler vs Mother Theresa thing. Mother Theresa isn't a good person.
It seems logical to say that Hitler is worse, but Mother Theresa was so sickly bad too that I don't feel comfortable with saying either one is objectively worse.