Another great production Steve, thank you 🙏🏼 and upon your recommendation, I fitted Nokian Outpost to Huntsman a few months ago and I’m so pleased with them after so many disappointments with other brands. Thank you, keep the videos coming, I miss those dulcet tones 😉☺️
Hahah! Dulcet tones! That’s a first! Glad that you’ve had a good experience with them, Andy! I would have hated for you to have been disappointed. I think they’d be a great look on Huntsman - they’re a nice looking tyre for the Defender as well as having excellent road manners. I’m hoping to be gearing back up on the video front now the good weather has arrived and my back is healing. No news on the dicky ticker issue yet; I expect results this week sometime.
@@shedlock2000 Hope all goes well Steven, ……and as for dicky ticker…..it doesn’t help wearing a kilt when it’s -5, and 6” of snow on the ground! ……I’ve watched Carry on up the Khyber….😳🥶🤤😂
Thanks for making this! I'm a fellow Nokian Outpost AT owner (on my 4runner). I think you and I are currently the only guys outside of Russia posting videos about these tires LOL. I also hail from the Commonwealth and am now navigating this early ice and snow in the PNW of the US. I'll have to get out in the slop with my camera soon and also share my thoughts. I'm still delighted with these tires. Cheers to you and please keep posting!
Thanks for your comment! They’re still pretty new here, and I don’t think many know that they’re made in the US factory (which is perhaps just as well given that they’ve just closed down the Russian factory). I’m assuming they’ve done well for you out in the PNW? I’ll look forward to seeing your video when it come out!
@@shedlock2000I only got to try them in a couple of inches of snow last spring. They did great all spring/summer on highway, dirt, mud, gravel, and 2-6" rock. Nice and quiet on the highway, while still seeming to offer plenty of grip and protection on the trails. My rig is mostly for camping and exploring - with a hybrid on hand for my urban driving - so I don't drive it much around town. Mostly highway miles to a trail network, then it's all mud/dirt/gravel/rock until I setup camp. They've been perfect for that. It's been snowing and icy here the last two weeks but I haven't been driving much this month. I'm going to try to get on some snowy forest roads this week and put them through their paces. Thus far I love them and have no regrets 👍
Good to hear that they’ve been good for you! I was able to get them in a little bit of snow in the spring too - you might see a glance of it on the mud videos. I suspected they’d do well, and they did. I imagine they’re the perfect tyre for your needs, if you’ve a city hybrid (which one, btw).
@@shedlock2000 Just as a follow up to our exchange above... 1. My city car is a Rav4 Prime, the vehicle with the Outposts is my Toyota 4Runner. 2. After driving on the Outpost tires last winter I can say I 100% agree with your observations regarding loss of traction laterally in winter conditions. I've found these tires certainly keep my rig moving in the snow (never got stuck), but they are prone to giving out on roundabouts - and in deep snow my rig seems to wander left to right. And, as you noted on packed snow/ice, the ABS tends to be triggered. It's a bit unnerving! I ended up switching them out for Blizzak winter tires after a couple of near misses and the difference is night and day. I'm still very pleased with the Outpost A/T for the other three seasons (its a very quiet AT tire!) but will be running my Blizzaks again when the temps drop in the coming weeks.
Agreed. I’ve just produced a video (coming next weekend) explaining why a dedicated winter tyre is better than any AT - 3PMSF or not! These are an excellent summer and shoulder season tyre, better than most (if not all) AT tyres.
This is great. Exactly the tire experience to compare and this is a good comparable for high mountain Colorado for my Tundra. Also a Scotsman with a Border Collie chasing his LR! I completely agree with you that Nokian should make more tall skinny tires. I want a 35x10.5!
Nokian and other manufacturers really do need to spit out more talk and skinny tyres - they’re currently catering to the aesthetics not the practicalities (which is odd, given that their job is to maximise traction). I’m running 275/55/20s and they’re too wide for most uses, but the height is good. Like most hardcore tyre groupies amongst us, a 255/60/20 is the perfect size, but not made by anyone hardly!
They are very quiet on the road, considering their retread pattern. Mine were a touch louder until the bedded in, but are now as quiet as the AT3 4S and the Pirelli’s I took off!
I put a set of LT265/70/17s on my work truck back in August. I live in Kansas. I have about 28,000 miles on them so far. I just lost the 80% marks this week. So far I have loved them. They are amazingly quiet and smooth on the interstate at 80 miles per hour. I have been rotating them about every 6k. I keep 39 psi up from and 35 in the rear if I'm not hauling. Didn't get any deep snow this winter but they did great in what we had. They do well on dirt, gravel, and about as well as you can hop in mud for an AT. I've run the Cooper ATs, BFGs, the old Hankook, Toyo AT3s , Mastercrafts. It was a toss up between these and the Falkens but ended up going with the outpost based mostly on price. I may have been just as happy with them, but the outpost is easily my favorite of any tire I have ran. I would recommend them to anyone.
That’s pretty much exactly what I’ve found. Their price makes them very appealing compared to the other ATs. The other tyres you mentioned are also good tyres, but I think these win out on their shoulder and winter season performance. My experience with the Falken’s is they’re not quite as good in ice and snow. Ymmv.
Glad you’re feeling better and able to make videos again. I like the look of those tyres and would consider them when my 1999 Defender 90 needs some new ones. Currently running General Grabber HTS 60 as I drive mainly on tarmac with some green laning here in Yorkshire. Wish we had some snow like that in England!
Thanks! I’ve some heart issues too, but I’m waiting on a specialist consultation for that! The snow is better here than it is back home - least these days. They’re a great tyre for the UK, as we don’t get that much ice and snow there and the tyres will provide great traction in those conditions.
Thank You for an excellent video! I drive Nokian Rotiiva AT Plus on my Tahoe. Soon about to buy new, and I hope Outpost will be available then. The Rotiivas do very good on muddy and rocky roads. In the winter I prefer studded Nokians as the winter roads here in Finland can be very icy.
Where are you in Finland? I’m studying my PhD at Helsinki and have lived there for a little while while taking my courses etc. I’ve never tried the Rotiiva, but I have seen them on vehicles here. I think the Outpost AT are an improvement, though I’ve no direct comparison. The design, as you will know, is very different between the two, but I’m very pleased with their overall performance. I think Nokian are struggling to keep up with demand in light of their Russian factory being closed down, but I hope they’ll catch up soon. I don’t know if the Outpost are available here at the moment, and I suspect you’d have much less difficulty sourcing them in Finland. I strongly recommend them over the other manufacturers of AT tyres, but I do wish @nokian would make them in a 255/55/20 to suit Land Rover owners - the move to 275/55/20 is ok on some models, but it’s a bit too large for the rangy from preference.
From North Dakota. Just installed a set of non-LTs on my '17 Expedition Max (Canadian model). Very much looking forward to seeing how they perform this winter.
I’ll be doing another video on their winter performance shortly, we’ve just had some more snow here and the tyres now have 30k miles on them - their performance has dropped off a bit, but they’re still top of that AT winter performance list.
How's the fuel economy with these during regular driving conditions? Are you close to the EPA rating ? They seem like they'd be one of the better tires, low rolling resistance and rather light. Trying to decide between these and BFG trail terrains, any experience with those to compare ?
Yey fuel economy is very good - I exceed the EPA pretty much all the time (even with the rack). The last careful fuel economy I recorded was 21.4mpg (imperial) on a 500 mile round trip on a flat, slightly windy, highway. I should note that, despite some adjustment in the CCF files, it’s not possible to perfectly adjust the milometer - however, due to it being more closely set to the stock tyre size, the fuel economy runs short and would suggest an even better actual result. My current average over 5,000 miles of miles use biased towards short city runs of less than 4 miles is 18.4mpg (imperial) - though it is going down due to loading the rack with fuel solutions and traction mats (and the use of additional electrical items such as heated seats at -20°c)! From experience of running tyres on an L322, the tyres make much less difference than does the roof rack - especially when it’s loaded. Accordingly, it’s a bit difficult for me to provide a comparative fuel report to others. I also never run premium and I don’t drive harshly. In further addition, there’s a considerable amount of idling due to how much filming I do! Lol In terms of all round performance, the Nokian will massively outperform the BFG. However, the tread on the BFGs is more road-biased, so if there is any appreciable fuel efficiency difference, then the BFG will win out. The tiny differential (if any) between the two would not be my deciding factor - my deciding factor would be stopping and steering ability in adverse condition.
@@shedlock2000 thanks alot for the detailed write up. Having good control in adverse weather is the #1 priority. I'm in central Saskatchewan where we get ice, freezing rain, -40c and lots of snow. I just don't like having two sets of tires and dig the all terrain look. Will give the nokians a shot and see how they do.
You’re welcome! That is what the community is here for. If you don’t want two sets, then I think these will provide you the best possible alternative in my experience. Of course, they won’t match the performance of a dedicated winter set, but they will be your best all year option. One more thing, though, don’t forget to drop your pressures to 35 or so in winter to let the walls do their thing.
I have the 275/60/20 LT Outposts on my F-150. The LTs are probably still overkill for it, but the ride feels better than the stock P all-seasons. The LTs also have deeper thread which puts them pretty close to the KO2s. I am unsure if it's a fair comparison, but compared to the 255/55/20 Toyo Open Country AT3s, the LT Outposts feel much better when hitting standing water on highways. The Toyos are excellent on my LR D5 except on slush and deep water at speed, hope to hit some slush in the PNW with the Outposts soon.
I had wondered about the water and slush ejection of the Toyo’s - I briefly considered them before throwing on these. I expected the LTs to be very overkill for the rangy - I value the condor of the Range Rover, so putting LTs seemed a bit of an odd move (especially Ghent that the P rated load rating is already high enough to cover the GVW of the rangy). Interesting to know about the deeper tread, though, I didn’t know that!
Great tire. We put it on the family Yukon to get us over mountain passes when heading out skiing. So far they have done exactly what we wanted them to do for rain, dirt and now a little bit of snow that it has seen. I still love my E rated wildpeaks for the L663
I liked something a bit chunky on my Defender too - that’s why I went with the AT3s at the time. How do you find the Wildpeaks? They aren’t very popular here, but I don’t know why. The conservative farmers and the oil and gas crew swear by the KO2s, but the RCMP have now moved to the Hak9s from Blizzaks, so the world is clearly shifting! Lol
Hi Neil! Im glad that the video was useful to you! I’m afraid I’m not one of those people who drop their tire pressures all the time. There are two reasons for this. 1) when dodgy terrain is discovered, it is often unexpected and there is no time in the real-world to drop pressures in order to transect some terrain; 2) most people in the real-world don’t carry means to re-inflate tyres even if they were to have the time to lower pressures. Accordingly, in almost all of my videos, there’s are at the minimum pressures permitted by the TPMS - which on this vehicle is F34/R36; however, because I often carry loads on the roof rack, I lift the pressure in summer or when load bearing to 36/42.
I run the newer Outpost nATs on my 2004 v8 4Runner in Calgary. I am really pleased with them for now and hope to test them out further during the winter. They are lighter than the 10 ply KO2s I use on my Tacoma and I can't really say I've noticed a significant difference in traction.
That’s a good comparison feedback! Thanks for the input. Did you get your new Nokian ATs from Kaltire? I’ve heard some people are having difficulty finding stock!
@@frustratedalien666that’s what I thought. I’m glad they now have stock again. I’m not sure why they ran out, but for a while they were impossible to find (from all accounts).
Great and useful review, sincerely thank you for this. I’d also like to suggest - if you have an opportunity to try out the Falken wildpeak at3W (the all weather variant) - strongly suggest it. Have it on my L322 and it’s proved brilliant as well in similar conditions (last Christmas took a 2000 km trip up north, and it snowed a LOT). Also run it year round - like them a lot. Anyhow - thanks for the review
I did think about the Wildpeaks for the discovery, as I think they and Nitto made a 22” version. I decided against them though and swapped the rims over from Finn. There aren’t many that run them up here, which sort of suggests they are lacking in some way (though there aren’t many running the Nokians, either)! They are on the list to try out. I wonder if @Falken would send me a set! 😀
@@shedlock2000 Certainly. I'm keenly interested in the Nokians. In my location in Indiana our winters are generally rather mild with temperatures rarely below -10C. We get perhaps 17" avg snowfall per year. But I find that in dry road conditions, almost any tire is adequate. It's at the margin where they distinguish themselves.
Interesting. I'll check these out for my lr4. Way back I had Nokian wr3 suvs on my old d2. Pretty good. Lol... I pulled a large semi tanker off of snow covered street car tracks in trono couple of winters ago with my lr3. Most capable all round tire I've used was bfg ko2 at on my 3.
I had the KO2s on my LR3 too, I switched them out for my L322, as they were noisy and very poor at ejecting water. Some people love them though! I’ve never run the WR3s, sounds like they were good back in the day too!
Ey up, Julia! I’m from Whaley Bridge in Derbyshire. I spent most of my formative years farming, quarrying, and truck driving in the Derbyshire hills, so I’ve a pretty broad (and rural) dialect! Whereabouts in Derbyshire are you from? Glad that you’re enjoying the videos!
@@shedlock2000 well bloody hell, aup mi duck! Tha can spot an accent from a mile off!! 😆 I live in a small village near to Matlock bath, close to the cromford canal. Family is from alstonefield and hilcote. No problem, found your videos whilst looking at tyre reviews 👍
My Great Grandma is from Cromford and worked in Matlock Bath; my Great grandfather was from Birchover - I know all that area pretty well, as I spent time with them both; I’ve always been fond of the Birchover area and did think about moving back there recently. I’ve spent many years at the Matlock Bath illuminated procession and kayaked the river once or twice when I was a younger chap! I also trialled at the top of Cromford hill several times when I was competing! Small world! Glad you found the video and channel! Hope the content was useful! (I’d recommend the Nokian’s or the Cooper AT3s for your neck - but avoid the XLTs and go with the 4S for the latter).
I need to replace my f150 stock tires and have been between these and the KO2’s. I do slight off road and have been torn which would be better. Love the price of these and the warranty vs the KO2’s. I’m in Calgary so this was the perfect video for me and I think I’ll grab a set!
Thanks for sliding by, Corey. Yes, I’d recommend these over the KO2s - not only because of the price difference, but because they’re far superior in the snow and ice, and a lot better in standing water. The KO2s look like a great tyre, and they’re reasonable off road, however, they’re a very dated tyre and don’t hold up to contemporary tread patterns or compounds.
@@briansleepylee I didn’t yet but this is the set I’m going with. They haven’t had any at all and don’t even come up on the site anymore. I’ve been told the us plant is up and running so the tires are coming soon. They are now exclusive to kaltire I was told too.
Howdy! Been a while since we chatted. I hope you're enjoying the nice days we've had in the city and surrounding area. Anyways. Wondering if you have any updates regarding the tyres. I am still running mine on my Avalanche and they're holding up quite well. Curious of your thoughts. Happy trails!
Nice to hear from you again! I’ve been really busy with some major life drama, so I haven’t had much chance to do anything nice or fun for about 12 months now (it’s one reason I am behind on release if video content). In addition, I’m currently commuting to Calgary throughout the week, so I’m clocking up big miles. I can tell you that I had two punctures in the same tyre recently, which was annoying, but they were pluggable, so that’s a relief! The fryers seem to be holding up to the miles well, though as they wear they’re becoming slightly noisier on the highway (more noticeably in corners). I don’t know that they’re wearing as well as the Cooper AT3 XLTs, but they are a much softer compound, so that would a logical consequence; the improved shoulder season performance makes up for it. All in all I am very happy with them! I do wish there were available in a 255/55/20, though, as I’m not a fan of the size for my rangy - I don’t think that’s so much of an issue for you, though? Glad you’re still liking them! Anything to report on your end?
What will you be running as a winter tire? I previously had a set of X-Ice (Ontario) that were less than stellar in anything deeper than a few inches and we have to go on unplowed roads regularly. But if these aren't great on the packed stuff, these might not solve my winter problem. Running KO2's right now. OK in the deep stuff, terrible on ice. Not against having 2 sets of wheels.
I’m running Hak9s for my dedicated winters - rhey’re studded. Depending where you are in ON you could run studded tyres or not. The studded Hak9s are good in relatively deep snow, but if you can’t run them then I’d pick something like the Nokian R5 suv. The Nokians Outpost are ok in compacted snow - but not so good on glazed stuff, as I’m sure you can tell from the video. The R5s will improve on the KO2s (as do the Outpost, to be honest). The difficult thing is that dedicated winter tyres are generally not chunky enough to do well in deep snow - oddly enough, an AT tyre does better in these conditions. But a dedicated winter like the Hak 9 or R5 will provide excellent traction on the icy stuff.
@@shedlock2000 right. I’m not allowed to have studs. There’s no such thing as a do-it-all tire so pick your poison I guess. We’ll be seeing more of the compacted and slush than the glazed stuff. So the Outpost might be a good solution. Just that if you do happen to run in to a slick patch of ice…oh boy. Any feedback on the LT2 or LT3s? 2018 4Runner, so I may not be heavy enough for the load rating.
The LTs are similar to the Haks, but have a higher load rating. You can get the Hak10s unstudded (as you can the Hak 9s) - these would be my choice over the R5s, but the LTs are a fairly aggressive tyre too. They have a greater tread depth and more directional venting for slush ejection. They do a studded and unstudded version of the LTs too. The LT3 is a newer version of the LT2, and has superior studding and siping. You won’t go wrong with any Nokian tyre, but in your position, thinner is better than fatter, so the defining matter would be what tyre size options are available in the various tyres. I would recommend the LT and Hak over the R5, and (for your use) the Hak 9 over the Hak 10.
Not a patch on Hakkas especially on ice compact and corners on 5% down grades. Stopping distance seems poor in comparisson to Hakkas Deep snow traction ok good as a shoulder season tire in BC
Oh! Of course not! One is a dedicated winter with directional tread and a soft compound - the other is an AT tyre with some winter performance! I run Haks too for my winter tyre - I’m only remarking at their performance as an AT tyre in the winter (which significantly improves on all the other AT tyres I’ve run). No AT tyre would perform as well as a dedicated winter tyre.
Thanks for the kind words, @no spark! I’ve run both the AT3 4S and XLT. For a summer tyre, the AT3 is good - the XLT is particularly excellent on gravel roads. However, the winter performance is dreadful. I ran the XLT while I was in the Arctic, and brand new, they were passable in deep snow. Post 10,000 miles when the sharpness had gone from the tread, they became quite poor in snow - I would argue that they were so poor they wouldn’t pass the 3PMSF benchmark with 10,000 miles on them. The XLTs did wear exceptionally well. I lost only 3/32 in 40,000 miles, and they were excellent on the road and in loose mud. However, they weren’t excellent in clay mud, deep gravel, or snow and ice. These Nokians run rings around them on everything but gravel roads.
This is the second video I’ve made of the tyres and it reports on the shoulder season performance as well as their mud performance. If you want a more detailed inspection of the tyre itself, take a look at my other video on the Outpost AT.
i like Nokian as a company and their slant on tires and testing. they did make a big mistake producing this tire in Russia, which they implicitly acknowledge by virtue of the fact that this tire is currently out of production. ie. they shut down their Russian factory (good). they are in the process of moving production to their Tennessee plant, and building a new factory in Romania. i imagine they have plans to get these back up and running asap, as they had only just been launched when Russia started the war. i hope they come back on line by the time my current tires are ready for replacement.
Well a Russian plant was obvious, given that it was next door to Finland and they were able to take over a pre-existing factory rather than build one. It was, before the war, a shrewd decision - though, in hindsight, perhaps not wise! Canada has plenty of the Outpost AT, but I think they’re struggling for the ATP. Do your stockists not have any at all down there? Interesting to find out how bad supply was - I thought that the US plant had been making these already, which is why we have some! Interesting to hear that’s not the case.
@@shedlock2000 i'm on Vancouver Island. Kaltire does have some, but a limited size range and they do come in a considerable range. i have at least a year left on my current tires (Summitomo Encounter, excellent tires) and will look at these again if they resume production.
like you, I am also a fan of Nokian tires. Russia has no problems with this tire model. recently purchased in the amount of 265 * 70 r16 the cost per tire is about $ 120. As for the production of tires by Nokian in Russia and the opening of the plant, it was economically beneficial for the Finnish office, the convenience of logistics. and other factors of production.
@@G_300_turbodiesel_ Absolutely -- A plant in Russia made a lot of sense to Nokian, I think. I also believe they took over a pre-existing factory of some sort, so I think the initial set-up costs were quite small too.
Another great production Steve, thank you 🙏🏼 and upon your recommendation, I fitted Nokian Outpost to Huntsman a few months ago and I’m so pleased with them after so many disappointments with other brands. Thank you, keep the videos coming, I miss those dulcet tones 😉☺️
Hahah! Dulcet tones! That’s a first!
Glad that you’ve had a good experience with them, Andy! I would have hated for you to have been disappointed. I think they’d be a great look on Huntsman - they’re a nice looking tyre for the Defender as well as having excellent road manners.
I’m hoping to be gearing back up on the video front now the good weather has arrived and my back is healing. No news on the dicky ticker issue yet; I expect results this week sometime.
@@shedlock2000 Hope all goes well Steven, ……and as for dicky ticker…..it doesn’t help wearing a kilt when it’s -5, and 6” of snow on the ground! ……I’ve watched Carry on up the Khyber….😳🥶🤤😂
Hahah! It’s -15 today!
Thanks for making this! I'm a fellow Nokian Outpost AT owner (on my 4runner). I think you and I are currently the only guys outside of Russia posting videos about these tires LOL. I also hail from the Commonwealth and am now navigating this early ice and snow in the PNW of the US. I'll have to get out in the slop with my camera soon and also share my thoughts. I'm still delighted with these tires. Cheers to you and please keep posting!
Thanks for your comment! They’re still pretty new here, and I don’t think many know that they’re made in the US factory (which is perhaps just as well given that they’ve just closed down the Russian factory).
I’m assuming they’ve done well for you out in the PNW? I’ll look forward to seeing your video when it come out!
@@shedlock2000I only got to try them in a couple of inches of snow last spring. They did great all spring/summer on highway, dirt, mud, gravel, and 2-6" rock. Nice and quiet on the highway, while still seeming to offer plenty of grip and protection on the trails. My rig is mostly for camping and exploring - with a hybrid on hand for my urban driving - so I don't drive it much around town. Mostly highway miles to a trail network, then it's all mud/dirt/gravel/rock until I setup camp. They've been perfect for that. It's been snowing and icy here the last two weeks but I haven't been driving much this month. I'm going to try to get on some snowy forest roads this week and put them through their paces. Thus far I love them and have no regrets 👍
Good to hear that they’ve been good for you! I was able to get them in a little bit of snow in the spring too - you might see a glance of it on the mud videos. I suspected they’d do well, and they did. I imagine they’re the perfect tyre for your needs, if you’ve a city hybrid (which one, btw).
@@shedlock2000 Just as a follow up to our exchange above... 1. My city car is a Rav4 Prime, the vehicle with the Outposts is my Toyota 4Runner. 2. After driving on the Outpost tires last winter I can say I 100% agree with your observations regarding loss of traction laterally in winter conditions. I've found these tires certainly keep my rig moving in the snow (never got stuck), but they are prone to giving out on roundabouts - and in deep snow my rig seems to wander left to right. And, as you noted on packed snow/ice, the ABS tends to be triggered. It's a bit unnerving! I ended up switching them out for Blizzak winter tires after a couple of near misses and the difference is night and day. I'm still very pleased with the Outpost A/T for the other three seasons (its a very quiet AT tire!) but will be running my Blizzaks again when the temps drop in the coming weeks.
Agreed. I’ve just produced a video (coming next weekend) explaining why a dedicated winter tyre is better than any AT - 3PMSF or not! These are an excellent summer and shoulder season tyre, better than most (if not all) AT tyres.
This is great. Exactly the tire experience to compare and this is a good comparable for high mountain Colorado for my Tundra. Also a Scotsman with a Border Collie chasing his LR! I completely agree with you that Nokian should make more tall skinny tires. I want a 35x10.5!
Nokian and other manufacturers really do need to spit out more talk and skinny tyres - they’re currently catering to the aesthetics not the practicalities (which is odd, given that their job is to maximise traction). I’m running 275/55/20s and they’re too wide for most uses, but the height is good. Like most hardcore tyre groupies amongst us, a 255/60/20 is the perfect size, but not made by anyone hardly!
Installed mine last week and waiting for snow to arrive. So far I like Outposts on rainy and dry tarmac.
They are very quiet on the road, considering their retread pattern. Mine were a touch louder until the bedded in, but are now as quiet as the AT3 4S and the Pirelli’s I took off!
I put a set of LT265/70/17s on my work truck back in August. I live in Kansas. I have about 28,000 miles on them so far. I just lost the 80% marks this week. So far I have loved them. They are amazingly quiet and smooth on the interstate at 80 miles per hour. I have been rotating them about every 6k. I keep 39 psi up from and 35 in the rear if I'm not hauling. Didn't get any deep snow this winter but they did great in what we had. They do well on dirt, gravel, and about as well as you can hop in mud for an AT. I've run the Cooper ATs, BFGs, the old Hankook, Toyo AT3s , Mastercrafts. It was a toss up between these and the Falkens but ended up going with the outpost based mostly on price. I may have been just as happy with them, but the outpost is easily my favorite of any tire I have ran. I would recommend them to anyone.
That’s pretty much exactly what I’ve found. Their price makes them very appealing compared to the other ATs. The other tyres you mentioned are also good tyres, but I think these win out on their shoulder and winter season performance. My experience with the Falken’s is they’re not quite as good in ice and snow. Ymmv.
Thank you! I've been looking for info on these tires since I first saw them, I really appreciate this video and how you detailed multiple uses.
Thanks! I’m glad it helped!
Glad you’re feeling better and able to make videos again. I like the look of those tyres and would consider them when my 1999 Defender 90 needs some new ones. Currently running General Grabber HTS 60 as I drive mainly on tarmac with some green laning here in Yorkshire. Wish we had some snow like that in England!
Thanks! I’ve some heart issues too, but I’m waiting on a specialist consultation for that!
The snow is better here than it is back home - least these days. They’re a great tyre for the UK, as we don’t get that much ice and snow there and the tyres will provide great traction in those conditions.
Thank You for an excellent video! I drive Nokian Rotiiva AT Plus on my Tahoe. Soon about to buy new, and I hope Outpost will be available then. The Rotiivas do very good on muddy and rocky roads. In the winter I prefer studded Nokians as the winter roads here in Finland can be very icy.
Where are you in Finland? I’m studying my PhD at Helsinki and have lived there for a little while while taking my courses etc.
I’ve never tried the Rotiiva, but I have seen them on vehicles here. I think the Outpost AT are an improvement, though I’ve no direct comparison. The design, as you will know, is very different between the two, but I’m very pleased with their overall performance.
I think Nokian are struggling to keep up with demand in light of their Russian factory being closed down, but I hope they’ll catch up soon. I don’t know if the Outpost are available here at the moment, and I suspect you’d have much less difficulty sourcing them in Finland. I strongly recommend them over the other manufacturers of AT tyres, but I do wish @nokian would make them in a 255/55/20 to suit Land Rover owners - the move to 275/55/20 is ok on some models, but it’s a bit too large for the rangy from preference.
From North Dakota. Just installed a set of non-LTs on my '17 Expedition Max (Canadian model). Very much looking forward to seeing how they perform this winter.
I’ll be doing another video on their winter performance shortly, we’ve just had some more snow here and the tyres now have 30k miles on them - their performance has dropped off a bit, but they’re still top of that AT winter performance list.
@@shedlock2000 That's great to know. They really do come across as a Swiss army knife tire for SUVs and trucks, for better or worse.
How's the fuel economy with these during regular driving conditions? Are you close to the EPA rating ? They seem like they'd be one of the better tires, low rolling resistance and rather light.
Trying to decide between these and BFG trail terrains, any experience with those to compare ?
Yey fuel economy is very good - I exceed the EPA pretty much all the time (even with the rack). The last careful fuel economy I recorded was 21.4mpg (imperial) on a 500 mile round trip on a flat, slightly windy, highway. I should note that, despite some adjustment in the CCF files, it’s not possible to perfectly adjust the milometer - however, due to it being more closely set to the stock tyre size, the fuel economy runs short and would suggest an even better actual result. My current average over 5,000 miles of miles use biased towards short city runs of less than 4 miles is 18.4mpg (imperial) - though it is going down due to loading the rack with fuel solutions and traction mats (and the use of additional electrical items such as heated seats at -20°c)!
From experience of running tyres on an L322, the tyres make much less difference than does the roof rack - especially when it’s loaded. Accordingly, it’s a bit difficult for me to provide a comparative fuel report to others. I also never run premium and I don’t drive harshly. In further addition, there’s a considerable amount of idling due to how much filming I do! Lol
In terms of all round performance, the Nokian will massively outperform the BFG. However, the tread on the BFGs is more road-biased, so if there is any appreciable fuel efficiency difference, then the BFG will win out. The tiny differential (if any) between the two would not be my deciding factor - my deciding factor would be stopping and steering ability in adverse condition.
@@shedlock2000 thanks alot for the detailed write up.
Having good control in adverse weather is the #1 priority. I'm in central Saskatchewan where we get ice, freezing rain, -40c and lots of snow. I just don't like having two sets of tires and dig the all terrain look. Will give the nokians a shot and see how they do.
You’re welcome! That is what the community is here for.
If you don’t want two sets, then I think these will provide you the best possible alternative in my experience. Of course, they won’t match the performance of a dedicated winter set, but they will be your best all year option.
One more thing, though, don’t forget to drop your pressures to 35 or so in winter to let the walls do their thing.
I have the 275/60/20 LT Outposts on my F-150. The LTs are probably still overkill for it, but the ride feels better than the stock P all-seasons. The LTs also have deeper thread which puts them pretty close to the KO2s. I am unsure if it's a fair comparison, but compared to the 255/55/20 Toyo Open Country AT3s, the LT Outposts feel much better when hitting standing water on highways. The Toyos are excellent on my LR D5 except on slush and deep water at speed, hope to hit some slush in the PNW with the Outposts soon.
I had wondered about the water and slush ejection of the Toyo’s - I briefly considered them before throwing on these.
I expected the LTs to be very overkill for the rangy - I value the condor of the Range Rover, so putting LTs seemed a bit of an odd move (especially Ghent that the P rated load rating is already high enough to cover the GVW of the rangy). Interesting to know about the deeper tread, though, I didn’t know that!
Great tire. We put it on the family Yukon to get us over mountain passes when heading out skiing. So far they have done exactly what we wanted them to do for rain, dirt and now a little bit of snow that it has seen. I still love my E rated wildpeaks for the L663
I liked something a bit chunky on my Defender too - that’s why I went with the AT3s at the time. How do you find the Wildpeaks? They aren’t very popular here, but I don’t know why. The conservative farmers and the oil and gas crew swear by the KO2s, but the RCMP have now moved to the Hak9s from Blizzaks, so the world is clearly shifting! Lol
Thanks very much. This was very interesting and informative. What tire pressure were you using snow and mud?
Hi Neil!
Im glad that the video was useful to you! I’m afraid I’m not one of those people who drop their tire pressures all the time. There are two reasons for this. 1) when dodgy terrain is discovered, it is often unexpected and there is no time in the real-world to drop pressures in order to transect some terrain; 2) most people in the real-world don’t carry means to re-inflate tyres even if they were to have the time to lower pressures.
Accordingly, in almost all of my videos, there’s are at the minimum pressures permitted by the TPMS - which on this vehicle is F34/R36; however, because I often carry loads on the roof rack, I lift the pressure in summer or when load bearing to 36/42.
I run the newer Outpost nATs on my 2004 v8 4Runner in Calgary. I am really pleased with them for now and hope to test them out further during the winter. They are lighter than the 10 ply KO2s I use on my Tacoma and I can't really say I've noticed a significant difference in traction.
That’s a good comparison feedback! Thanks for the input. Did you get your new Nokian ATs from Kaltire? I’ve heard some people are having difficulty finding stock!
@@shedlock2000 yes, only Kal tire stock Nokians here. Haven't seen anyone else stock them, I don't know why.
@@frustratedalien666that’s what I thought. I’m glad they now have stock again. I’m not sure why they ran out, but for a while they were impossible to find (from all accounts).
Great and useful review, sincerely thank you for this. I’d also like to suggest - if you have an opportunity to try out the Falken wildpeak at3W (the all weather variant) - strongly suggest it. Have it on my L322 and it’s proved brilliant as well in similar conditions (last Christmas took a 2000 km trip up north, and it snowed a LOT). Also run it year round - like them a lot.
Anyhow - thanks for the review
I did think about the Wildpeaks for the discovery, as I think they and Nitto made a 22” version. I decided against them though and swapped the rims over from Finn.
There aren’t many that run them up here, which sort of suggests they are lacking in some way (though there aren’t many running the Nokians, either)! They are on the list to try out. I wonder if @Falken would send me a set! 😀
Biggest thing I have against the Falken's is they are pretty heavy compared to other tires in the same sizes.
I enjoyed watching this, thanks for making this video.
You’re welcome! Thanks for enjoying it and for leaving a comment! ☺️
@@shedlock2000 Certainly. I'm keenly interested in the Nokians. In my location in Indiana our winters are generally rather mild with temperatures rarely below -10C. We get perhaps 17" avg snowfall per year. But I find that in dry road conditions, almost any tire is adequate. It's at the margin where they distinguish themselves.
Interesting. I'll check these out for my lr4. Way back I had Nokian wr3 suvs on my old d2. Pretty good. Lol... I pulled a large semi tanker off of snow covered street car tracks in trono couple of winters ago with my lr3. Most capable all round tire I've used was bfg ko2 at on my 3.
I had the KO2s on my LR3 too, I switched them out for my L322, as they were noisy and very poor at ejecting water. Some people love them though!
I’ve never run the WR3s, sounds like they were good back in the day too!
I'd absolutely love to know where you're from!! Your accent sounds local to mine in Derbyshire, really enjoying your videos 👍
Ey up, Julia!
I’m from Whaley Bridge in Derbyshire. I spent most of my formative years farming, quarrying, and truck driving in the Derbyshire hills, so I’ve a pretty broad (and rural) dialect!
Whereabouts in Derbyshire are you from? Glad that you’re enjoying the videos!
@@shedlock2000 well bloody hell, aup mi duck! Tha can spot an accent from a mile off!! 😆 I live in a small village near to Matlock bath, close to the cromford canal. Family is from alstonefield and hilcote. No problem, found your videos whilst looking at tyre reviews 👍
My Great Grandma is from Cromford and worked in Matlock Bath; my Great grandfather was from Birchover - I know all that area pretty well, as I spent time with them both; I’ve always been fond of the Birchover area and did think about moving back there recently.
I’ve spent many years at the Matlock Bath illuminated procession and kayaked the river once or twice when I was a younger chap! I also trialled at the top of Cromford hill several times when I was competing!
Small world! Glad you found the video and channel! Hope the content was useful! (I’d recommend the Nokian’s or the Cooper AT3s for your neck - but avoid the XLTs and go with the 4S for the latter).
Thanks for the info going to put a set on my 4Runner
I’m sure they’ll work out really well for you! Good luck!
I need to replace my f150 stock tires and have been between these and the KO2’s. I do slight off road and have been torn which would be better. Love the price of these and the warranty vs the KO2’s. I’m in Calgary so this was the perfect video for me and I think I’ll grab a set!
Thanks for sliding by, Corey.
Yes, I’d recommend these over the KO2s - not only because of the price difference, but because they’re far superior in the snow and ice, and a lot better in standing water.
The KO2s look like a great tyre, and they’re reasonable off road, however, they’re a very dated tyre and don’t hold up to contemporary tread patterns or compounds.
Did you get a set for your F150? I'm in Calgary too but Kal Tire hardly has anything for Nokian tires right now.
@@briansleepylee I didn’t yet but this is the set I’m going with. They haven’t had any at all and don’t even come up on the site anymore. I’ve been told the us plant is up and running so the tires are coming soon. They are now exclusive to kaltire I was told too.
@@briansleepyleejust put lt3s on a f150 and will put new outposts in the spring😅
Is it same as outpost atp?
No, the ATP is a softer (less aggressive) version. They’re good tyres, but are more road biased.
Howdy!
Been a while since we chatted.
I hope you're enjoying the nice days we've had in the city and surrounding area.
Anyways. Wondering if you have any updates regarding the tyres. I am still running mine on my Avalanche and they're holding up quite well. Curious of your thoughts.
Happy trails!
Nice to hear from you again!
I’ve been really busy with some major life drama, so I haven’t had much chance to do anything nice or fun for about 12 months now (it’s one reason I am behind on release if video content).
In addition, I’m currently commuting to Calgary throughout the week, so I’m clocking up big miles. I can tell you that I had two punctures in the same tyre recently, which was annoying, but they were pluggable, so that’s a relief! The fryers seem to be holding up to the miles well, though as they wear they’re becoming slightly noisier on the highway (more noticeably in corners). I don’t know that they’re wearing as well as the Cooper AT3 XLTs, but they are a much softer compound, so that would a logical consequence; the improved shoulder season performance makes up for it.
All in all I am very happy with them! I do wish there were available in a 255/55/20, though, as I’m not a fan of the size for my rangy - I don’t think that’s so much of an issue for you, though? Glad you’re still liking them! Anything to report on your end?
What will you be running as a winter tire? I previously had a set of X-Ice (Ontario) that were less than stellar in anything deeper than a few inches and we have to go on unplowed roads regularly. But if these aren't great on the packed stuff, these might not solve my winter problem. Running KO2's right now. OK in the deep stuff, terrible on ice. Not against having 2 sets of wheels.
I’m running Hak9s for my dedicated winters - rhey’re studded. Depending where you are in ON you could run studded tyres or not. The studded Hak9s are good in relatively deep snow, but if you can’t run them then I’d pick something like the Nokian R5 suv.
The Nokians Outpost are ok in compacted snow - but not so good on glazed stuff, as I’m sure you can tell from the video. The R5s will improve on the KO2s (as do the Outpost, to be honest).
The difficult thing is that dedicated winter tyres are generally not chunky enough to do well in deep snow - oddly enough, an AT tyre does better in these conditions. But a dedicated winter like the Hak 9 or R5 will provide excellent traction on the icy stuff.
@@shedlock2000 right. I’m not allowed to have studs. There’s no such thing as a do-it-all tire so pick your poison I guess.
We’ll be seeing more of the compacted and slush than the glazed stuff. So the Outpost might be a good solution. Just that if you do happen to run in to a slick patch of ice…oh boy.
Any feedback on the LT2 or LT3s?
2018 4Runner, so I may not be heavy enough for the load rating.
The LTs are similar to the Haks, but have a higher load rating. You can get the Hak10s unstudded (as you can the Hak 9s) - these would be my choice over the R5s, but the LTs are a fairly aggressive tyre too. They have a greater tread depth and more directional venting for slush ejection. They do a studded and unstudded version of the LTs too. The LT3 is a newer version of the LT2, and has superior studding and siping.
You won’t go wrong with any Nokian tyre, but in your position, thinner is better than fatter, so the defining matter would be what tyre size options are available in the various tyres. I would recommend the LT and Hak over the R5, and (for your use) the Hak 9 over the Hak 10.
Not a patch on Hakkas especially on ice compact and corners on 5% down grades. Stopping distance seems poor in comparisson to Hakkas Deep snow traction ok good as a shoulder season tire in BC
Oh! Of course not! One is a dedicated winter with directional tread and a soft compound - the other is an AT tyre with some winter performance!
I run Haks too for my winter tyre - I’m only remarking at their performance as an AT tyre in the winter (which significantly improves on all the other AT tyres I’ve run).
No AT tyre would perform as well as a dedicated winter tyre.
Whats your thoughts on these VS the Cooper Discoverer AT3 line? Thanks for the great content!
Thanks for the kind words, @no spark!
I’ve run both the AT3 4S and XLT. For a summer tyre, the AT3 is good - the XLT is particularly excellent on gravel roads. However, the winter performance is dreadful.
I ran the XLT while I was in the Arctic, and brand new, they were passable in deep snow. Post 10,000 miles when the sharpness had gone from the tread, they became quite poor in snow - I would argue that they were so poor they wouldn’t pass the 3PMSF benchmark with 10,000 miles on them.
The XLTs did wear exceptionally well. I lost only 3/32 in 40,000 miles, and they were excellent on the road and in loose mud. However, they weren’t excellent in clay mud, deep gravel, or snow and ice. These Nokians run rings around them on everything but gravel roads.
Did you watch the video?
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как они на льду?
They’re not as good as a dedicated winter tyre or anything studded, but they are a significant improvement on other AT tyres like KO2s and Duratrac.
Did not show us the tires.
This is the second video I’ve made of the tyres and it reports on the shoulder season performance as well as their mud performance. If you want a more detailed inspection of the tyre itself, take a look at my other video on the Outpost AT.
i like Nokian as a company and their slant on tires and testing. they did make a big mistake producing this tire in Russia, which they implicitly acknowledge by virtue of the fact that this tire is currently out of production. ie. they shut down their Russian factory (good). they are in the process of moving production to their Tennessee plant, and building a new factory in Romania. i imagine they have plans to get these back up and running asap, as they had only just been launched when Russia started the war. i hope they come back on line by the time my current tires are ready for replacement.
Well a Russian plant was obvious, given that it was next door to Finland and they were able to take over a pre-existing factory rather than build one. It was, before the war, a shrewd decision - though, in hindsight, perhaps not wise!
Canada has plenty of the Outpost AT, but I think they’re struggling for the ATP. Do your stockists not have any at all down there? Interesting to find out how bad supply was - I thought that the US plant had been making these already, which is why we have some! Interesting to hear that’s not the case.
@@shedlock2000 i'm on Vancouver Island. Kaltire does have some, but a limited size range and they do come in a considerable range. i have at least a year left on my current tires (Summitomo Encounter, excellent tires) and will look at these again if they resume production.
Ahhh! Gotcha! I’m sure Nokian will have something sorted by then!
like you, I am also a fan of Nokian tires. Russia has no problems with this tire model. recently purchased in the amount of 265 * 70 r16 the cost per tire is about $ 120. As for the production of tires by Nokian in Russia and the opening of the plant, it was economically beneficial for the Finnish office, the convenience of logistics. and other factors of production.
@@G_300_turbodiesel_ Absolutely -- A plant in Russia made a lot of sense to Nokian, I think. I also believe they took over a pre-existing factory of some sort, so I think the initial set-up costs were quite small too.
put on your seatbelt
I have several reasons I don’t wear mine. I advocate for you to you wear them if you like them, though - I have my own reasons for not wearing mine.
So nice to have random people worrying about ya.
Lol! Of course!