Get Ready For Winter: We Compare Winter Tires Against All-Terrain Tires With The Subaru Forester
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Just how much better is a "proper" winter tire over a stock snow-rated OEM all-terrain tire like found on the Subaru Outback Wilderness? We hit the Winter Test Hill to find out.
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CONTENTS
00:00 - Introduction
00:43 - Tires and Vehicle Used in the Test
03:00 - Subaru OEM Yokohama Geolander A/T Tested
09:40 - Vredestein Wintrac Pro Winter Tires
13:46 - Wintry Pros vs The Rattler
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Ryan, As a Canadian, I advise that all genuine winter tires be mounted on genuinely cheap steel wheels. Ideally, winter rims will be downsized to add more protective sidewall in peak pothole season. Save cash by saving the nice alloy rims for spring, summer and fall. For the record, my comment was not sponsored by the Cheap Steel Wheels Association or the Sidewall Society.🤩
With 1/2 the year on Alberta being winter I prefer factory aluminum rims in the winter (and a set of aftermarkets for summer), not to mention steel rims rust ultra quick in winter with road salt 😬
@@James-il3tq I've seen this too where the corrosion on steelies can cause slow leaks on a dedicated set of winters.
As a Canadian, I can say you’re fine 99% of the time on just ATs if there’s road salt. IMO winter tires are much more necessary in a place like Colorado that does not use road salt and where you can easily encounter ice on a highway
@@montechie My cheap steel wheels get a quick spray of Krown Rustproofing every year. In their 18th winter, there is just a tiny bit of surface corrosion near the edge and no substantial air loss at all. 😁
@@maxtvtvtv8623 In Ontario I encounter ice on my driveway before I ever get to the roads. Beyond the measurable traction advantages (as seen in this video) I also avoid exposing my expensive alloys to the time of the year when potholes become craters.
With over 20 years driving experience with Bridgestone Blizzaks I would say you’re preaching to the choir. No better way to keep our family safe in Wisconsin winters! Great video.
Ryan always "goes the extra mile" when doing these videos! Kudos!
Yes, yes, and yes. This is my first season running winter tires (blizzak ws90) on my Subaru and I have been mindblown by their performance, especially in deep snow and very icy conditions. They’re not even comparable to the all seasons I used to have, and are a huge step up from the geolander g015 A/T’s I’ve ran before.
I'm running the g015's right now and have blizzaks on the side. Im torn because most of the road conditions in my area only require winters maybe 10-15% of the time, and its hard to put the winters on full time cause i would just wear them down on pavement. Keeping the AT's on for now, and swap em out for sketchy touring days.
@@kjw1603 what you wear down on winters, saves on the Geolandars , plus added safety. win win.
@@kjw1603 The thing is, accidents happen 0.0001% of the time and sometimes people get hurt (or worse). I've been switching winters every year now since I became a father (yes, it made me more responsible), and I've never ever regretted it. The $ costs even out in the end, and I know I would never forgive myself is something bad happened just trying to 'save' a few bucks (which, in long run isn't even so). I drive a 2017 Forester and I've never felt safer in the winter. We can't control other drivers and how prepared they are in the challenging winter roads, but we can ensure that we are as safe as possible - and dedicated winter tires are part of it..BIG time!
I have those on my Subaru too. But we didn't get any snow this year. But they were great for the colder temperatures.
@@apocalypse487 lolzzzzz great for colder temps huh……😂😂
Glad to see this comparison. I have an Outback Wilderness that I picked up in early December. I live in Ottawa and have always gone with dedicated winter tires on my vehicles. I decided to risk it and just go with the 3-peak A/T tires on the Outback for this first winter. I was skeptical but I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised. We've had close to record snowfall this winter (the snowbanks on my street are approaching 10ft high) and it's ploughed through no problem. We've also had temps down to -35C and the tires have stayed relatively supple compared to all seasons. They aren't quite as good in terms of stopping on slick ice and my wife's Crosstrek with proper snow tires is grippier but overall I've been impressed. In fact, i plan to keep them on next winter as well.
For offroading with snow...I'll stick with 3 peak all terrains for the durability.
For snow/ice-covered roads...go with the winter tires.
So you're going to swap only when it's icy out? 😂😂😂
I have a 2023 Subaru Crosstrek. I have the Konig rims with Nokian, Hakkapeliitta factory studded snow tires. They are a fantastic setup but for one problem with the rims. In prolonged deep snow driving the open design of the rims tends to allow snow to pack in through the spokes which then gives you a quite severe imbalance situation once back on cleared roads and travelling at a higher rate of speed.
Especially if the car sits for a while after driving in the deep snow. The packed snow gets heated by the brakes, sags a bit, and then freezes into, as you say, a SEVERE imbalance. I was amazed the first time I drove my 2017 Forester Touring in deep snow and had to deal with the results. Fortunately, I got to work cleaning them out with a garden hose as soon as I saw what was about to happen. That, of course, made a nice skating rink...
Never considered this. In life there really aren't solutions huh just compromises
You WANT big open spokes. The snow will fall onto the rim from behind the wheel anyway. Driving will pack the snow hard from centripetal force. Then, the only way to get it off is to crawl under and scrape it off. With open spokes you can simply reach through and get it.
Nice test. Winter is over now, but I would love to see a test of a specific designed "all weather tire" like the Cross Climate 2 against the Wilderness all terrains.
Me too.
I’m definitely a Toyota truck guy but I have to admit I really like that Forester Wilderness in that particular green color.
Same. I'm constantly tempted to trade in my Tacoma OR for the Wilderness.
I was between a Tacoma TRD OR and the Wilderness. For the price and space, I couldn’t justify the Tacoma. The backseat is basically useless in the Tacoma, and having 2 large dogs the Wilderness is what I went with. The headroom also played a part as well, as being 6’4 the Tacoma was a bit more snug in fit.
@@ryant939 Any issues? Do you expect similar reliability?
No issues at all. And not concerned with reliability with the Subie.
I love the Wilderness videos! KEEP THEM COMING!!
I've driven on snow tires most of my life before I moved down south. I'd wouldn't go through winters without them. The worst snow tire is going to be immensely better than even the best all season. I've been pretty happy with, Michelins Xi2/3, Michelin Pilot Alpins, Hankook Icebear w300, Hankook iPikes, Yokohama Iceguard, IG20's, Blizzack WS-50, WS-60's, Blizzack DMZ3's and Nokian HakkleipeinnpiepkpiepkekkKKpkepkekekpklan. The predictability of snow tires even in ice make it worth every penny. The confidence it instills is untouchable unless you've tried them out yourself.
Snow tires don't have to be that expensive, but if you live in a bad cold climate, they're worth it and then some. I was lucky enough that my job paid for my snow tires every winter so we could basically make it to work with little excuses. If there was a storm overnight I would go out in the middle of the night around 3am ish to drive around in fresh powder with the streets all to myself and I would have a blast. I moved down far enough south that there is no snow. There is a part of me that does miss driving in it because I found it fun. I don't miss the cold that much, but in a warm cozy vehicle, it was worth it.
Also.
I'm glad you brought attention that the way you where changing the wheels was the wrong way and dangerous. At least have one of the rims underneath if the trolley jack failed. Redundancy in safety is paramount. I've seen a leg destroyed by having a jack fail.
Also while mounting,
Star, Star, lower, star, circle torque. If I had mounted wheels on a hub the way you did I would have been fired from my old job. It did look like a hub centric ring suddenly appeared in red later on.
I appreciate the great content and you are one of my favorite car channels.
yeah, the way he was changing it was pretty bad. Like you mentioned, the way he was mounting it was also all wrong. Besides everything else, not cross patterning could have easily led to shift and flex. more than likely it would in the long term. I suppose its okay for such a short term test, but in any normal situation it was pretty bad.
I have a standard 2021 and have been using Blizzak ws90 tires on OEM rims. I'll mention I live in South Dakota and on weekends I drive hundreds of miles on the interstates, back highways, unplowed section roads, and frozen lakes. There's been snow on the ground since before Thanksgiving. I've had Blizzaks for the past four years (including 2014 Forester) and am really sold on them. Not only are they great in the snow (which we've had a LOT of this year,) but also on black ice on the highways. The tires perform well even at 30 below zero. The difference between winter tires and all season tires is just huge.
I truly appreciate all of your time and efforts Sir. Thank you for all that do.
Absolutely amazing video, the vehicle, wheels, tires and the skid plate. It's like a complete incomparable package.
For what it's worth I currently have Wintrac Pro's on my CT4-V BW this winter. It has been a game changer in terms of confidence while driving throughout the whole winter. The Wintrac Pro has been good during the dry cold days also. Hope Vredestein can expand their winter tire sizes.
I recently grabbed a 2011 grand Cherokee Hemi, and put on some falken wildpeak AT3W with a snow rating, and they do amazing! Previously I’ve always used winter tires on past vehicles
Thank you for doing this test, I’ve previously been complaining about winter testing cars w/o proper winter tires - Kudos to you!
Always good when you’re doing any testing with a Subaru. Thankfully no winter in ne Ohio this year but definitely good information for my decision for tires next year. I’ve got the three peak but this definitely gave me something to think about! You’ve got to get a Grammy for your montage 🏆😂
Thank you Ryan for another super great video! Québec citizen here, I run a 2023 Crosstrek outdoor (2.5L with dual x-mode) mounted on hakkapeliitta R5 SUV... HO BOY! I got myself a tank! I'm so in love with this setup. I`ve ran 2 WRX and a BMW X-Drive (all on Nokian winter tires)before my crosstrek. I can see the step up. And yes u just showed how a proper winter tire does a BIG difference. Again, TY for your videos.
I have been in love with my AT3Ws since I put them on. Wet, dry, hard launch, snow, they don't care.
Absolutely love your content. Greatly impacted my recent car purchase and my desire to be off the beaten path. Not only road and track. Anyway, keep up the good work
Ryan,
Thanks for the review. I appreciate it
Yep, been using Vredesten Wintracs on my (pre X-mode) 2010 2.5l manual Outback for the last 2 winters here in Scotland. Absolutely amazing in snow. Much better than the Vredestan Alltracs which I used to keep on all year round, and were still good in snow. The Wintracs got the fully laden car up a very steep (18 degrees) forest track covered in 8 inches of virgin powder snow last winter, which still amazes me. The section of the track is so steep that rather than risk losing it we shovelled the snow off it to make braking areas before we came back down.
I use Wintracs on my 2023 Outback and my previous 2019 Outback, also in the Highlands.
I use Dunlop Winter Sport 5 on my STi, and for that car, they offer more stability and traction.
Awesome video! Just wished you would have tried all the trails with AT tires as well to see the difference on the hardest lines, where they start to fall short. I happen to be on my 2nd set of those same AT tires and I love them! Got 80K miles out of the 1st set and the 2nd set are doing just as well. I don’t do a lot of snow driving, and definitely no trail driving in the snow. But they have performed well in all conditions for me. Really good all around tire.
I have told people time and time again that it’s not about the vehicle, it’s about the tires. A 2WD car with winter tires can perform better than a 4WD with seasonal tires. It’s worth the investment if you live in a northern climate.
Snow tires with dedicated wheels, so its quick and easy to swap them at home would be the way to go for sure. Haven't had enough snow to need any winter tires the past few years though LOL.
It’s amazing how people that have never driven with dedicated snow tires on a FWD car will argue with you about it, too! In the winter, I’d rather drive a FWD car with 4 snow tires than an AWD car with all-seasons.
@@chriscon8463 People don't grasp the concept that just because they got that fancy 4x4 pickup or AWD crossover, etc. doesn't mean its going to do anything to help them stop, or control their vehicles...most drivers today are always on the verge of a major accident as they honestly don't have the driving skills at all, they rely 100% on all the electronic nannies to get them around town...they see all the TV commercials of AWD/4WD vehicles doing all these amazing things or what they deem as amazing and think they can jump in and that vehicle is going to perform exactly like those commercials...well their lack of driving skills, lack of physics education, and poor tire selection gets them in the ditch every snowstorm....some of them I swear really is every snowstorm.
@@wildbill23c Yes! Exactly! It’s crazy.
Frigid temps and black ice are where winter tires really shine. I have driven either Blizzaks or Extreme Winter Contacts for 25 years. I did a long drive in icy conditions with zero driving or braking issues. When i got out of my car at a rest area I almost fell flat on my back as everything, including the car, parking lot, and sidewalks were covered with ice. Never even noticed when I drove it.
Great video, I was thinking about getting skid plates. Learning from your video that they can also be used as jack points sold me on them.
I’d maybe reach out to Primitive just to double check. Ryan is pretty experienced in the world of Subaru but would hate for something to happen just from following a UA-cam video that says you can. If the plates are nice and tight against the diff or oil pan might be fine but you want to make sure you’re centered else there may be some bending occurring which could damage what the skid plate attaches to. Primitive doesn’t mention it on their website and some forum posts have already brought up recommending against it.
Nice seeing what proper winter tires on a crossover can actually do. Many of these comparisons they're usually comparing AWD with all season vs FWD with winter tires.
I got my subaru when I moved to hilly winter country... my 3 peak yokohamas were no match for snow and hills. Xmode was little help. On Winters I feel invincible, but I still go slow because I ain't no dummy. But Winters are night and day and is why subarus can be crowned king of snow. Assuming I'm not high center, I can out drive all those jeeps that think lockers on mud tires are invincible. My Winters helped me pull out a 4runner sport... that felt cool. I had no clue what I was doing, and was probably dangerous, but subaru pulling out a 4runner felt rad, all because of winter tires.
Put Vredesteins on my Prius of all things. Suddenly didn't have any problems with our PNW winters. I was amazed at the drive ability with them! Wonderful tires!
Great video
Excellent video thanks Ryan, will wait still I visit Canada😀 👍
An excellent video, thanks for sharing. 👍
I’m using Nokian R3’s on my Elantra GT and even on a FWD car they make a huge difference. I’m hoping my next vehicle will be a Forester Wilderness and it will definitely get winters as well. At any rate thank you for the great tire comparison in this video. 👍
Wintrac tyres are underrated. I had a winter set which were brilliant. None of the big tyre tests include uphill traction. I remember towing a car stuck in snow on a steep hill. Total satistraction !
Great Video.
Great video! it s good to have those kind of presentations for things that are very useful in every day living with a car! i am from Greece, i am using vredesteins as winter tires in a front wheel drive car and are very very good!but once again, i am amazed from how good this Subaru performs in such conditions! once again, very good video, well done!!
Where I live in the mountains of Colorado, on most days, every third car you see is a Subaru. There is a reason why, Subarus are one of the best in snowy conditions if not the best. Their symmetrical all wheel drive has been perfected.
I appreciate the quick pan to both rear ends when you said "this package looks amazing" 😆
It would be great to compare with some all weather tires like the cross climate 2, Firestone weather grip or General Altimax 365s cuv as they're supposed to be closer to winters that ATs with 3 peak.
Thanks for doing the comparison! I'm sure it's difficult to set up tire comparisons, but definitely need more of these. So much info out there is based on a single study done in 2000. I would love to see a similar comparison on something like your Ranger with a true AT 3 peak like a AT3W, KO2, or ATX vs a Winter. LT ATs tend to have deeper lugs and better side knobs, but obviously not the center grip.
Also, those Primal Racing skids look awesome! Makes me want to get a set on my Forester Touring even though I totally don't need them. 😉
tremor comes with 3 peak legit all terrains, general grabber
@@brohammer Yep, that's what I was thinking, but couldn't remember if DL had replaced them on their Tremor. I've ran the GG ATX and it's a great tire year-round, and have had it on some gnarly roads in our Montana winters. It's also one of the few ATs (maybe only?) you can do a double column of studs on each side. Most ATs only allow a single column per side if they're even studdable.
Thank you, for yours professional video’s!
Snow tires are a game changer. This is the 2nd season I'm running Blizzaks and I drove no problem the morning after a 14inch snow storm with snow heavily still coming down. Snow tires cannot compare to stock tires. If you are driving in wintery conditions frequently like me, I like to think of snow tires as cheap insurance.
Side note, I've heard great things about Nokian Hakkepelida snow tires but I wasnt able to find a dealer near me.
Excellent work. I've heard a number of folks say they don't need winter tires because of their ATs. I always suspected dedicated winter tires would be the safer option in winter. And its pretty clear from this video that that is the case.
Exactly.
Goodyear Blizzak rated snow tires on my 2WD F150. Left northern Minnesota in an ice storm and I35 was an ice rink. Biggest problem: Defrost could not keep up with the freezing precip on the windshield so I had to stop a lot to get more than 4" of viewing. The next year it was heavy snow over virgin ice - made me yearn for AWD. Otherwise; in my buddies sketchy driveway I dropped a wheel off the track and the locking rear diff, and tires, saved my bacon.
My wife has a base-model ‘21 Forester & we put 4 studded-snow tires on it in the winter. It’s an absolute tank in the snow!
I live in Sweden and recently got me a Forester XT 2014. Our winters often are very shifting with no snow, snow/slush, ice, bare asphalt, well any conditionreally😊. I am contemplating changing my worn summer tires to ATs, and when my great Nokian Hakkapelitta with crystals are done get regular studded winter tires. That way I can use the ATs for all year ( living in a forest with some bad roads) except when a real winter hits my neighbourhood, then I'll just pop on my studded winters.
I have a 19 compass with Maxxis Razr AT's. I would LOVE to bring for a test with them. In my area on the snow/ice they have been amazing. The muddy places (though not extreme) they have performed awesome as well. A test on your course would be a fun.
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I live in the highlands of Scotland and use the Wintracs on my Subaru Outback 6 months of the year.
It was -10C last night, currently -7.8C just now. I live on an unclassified, hilly road that does not get ploughed or gritted and sees farm traffic. The snow tends to be rutted and packed, and if cold at night, very icey.
The Wintracs are a really good tyre for those conditions.
They also handle fresh snow well.
Awesome setup.
We have exact same tires on 23 Forester Sport. This combo does the interstate speed limits when others do 20mph with flashers on. If you hit a too slick spot and rear end steps out - traction control steps in and straightens the Forester. The tires are cheap, the Forester has the best price tag and features in it's class.
nice work, That's what I want to see it.
Nice ! Video .
Thank you for this video. The difference in performance between the two sets of tires was obvious; however, the Forester did very well with just the stock tires on it. Given the Winters we experience here in Southwestern Pennsylvania, USA, my 2023 Forester Wilderness may not get Winter tires.
Maybe I will invest in a set of high-quality chains, in case we get that once-in-a-great-while severe snowstorm.
Looks like soooooooo much fun!
I have videos on my channel taking my stock Continental tires with just a M&S rating, up snow covered roads in Park City, stopping, then starting up again with almost no slippage. My truck is AWD, but those regular tires dig in even with all the big storms this year. Really surprised me.
Hakki 1s would crush all seasons. :) A good dedicated snow tire always rules in snow. Cool vid Ryan.
The cheapest snow tires are better than the most expensive all terrain tires .
For some people maybe
Accurate
Glad to know the Yokohama tires is all I need here in the northeast . I was worried I might need snows on my forester . But I’m not worried any more 👍
Great video as usual. I've got the Primitive skid plates on my Subaru Crosstrek and I'd be real careful using them as a jack point. On the diff in back I think it's likely fine. Up front, at least on the crosstrek, there's a lot of unsupported alluminum that I'd not trust to jack the car up from.
Yeah.. I'd advise jacking from the point under thr front crossmember
Winter tyres are very good in non-winter situations as well. I've deflated them a little and used them to get out of deep sand, deep mud, they got me out of everything successfully.
At last, a now and ice driving test on proper winter tires!
But indeed, use 15-16" steel wheels and high-profile winter tires instead of mags and low-profile tires. And I am disappointed with the fact that you did not use studded tires - they would behave much better.
Have the same vehicle, live in Kansas so the Geolanders worked great for city and country roads but we had a mild winter, worked well for Colorado but there were a couple times wished I had some more aggressive winter tires, if I were in a place with snow on the ground for more than a week I’d invest in some winters
MazdaSpeed6 on Blizzack’s was some of the most fun driving I have ever had. Thirteen inches of fresh powder at 5:00 am of the Taconic pkwy.
I put those tires on my daughters cx 30 last winter. They are awesome in the snow.
I have the same Geolander A/Ts on my Crosstrek, and I've been contemplating getting dedicated winter tires for a few years now, but where I live we only get snow and icy conditions maybe a few days out of the year. It's difficult to justify a purchase of nearly a thousand bucks to only need them at most a week out of the year. I guess if I purchased them it'd motivate me to drive up to the mountains more often in winter, but it's still a big expense that you'll only need a very limited time--and when the A/Ts do a good enough job in most of the conditions I see.
Good stuff Ryan. You are making me into a fan of the Subaru Wilderness.
We didn't have winter this season here in Bulgaria. It was too warm for snow most of the time, but when we have it it is a lot. Winter tyres are must in winter! Nothing else can manage ice and snow better. Fulstop.
Have Vredestein Hitracs on both of my cars and love em. Cheaper than most other companies and perform better.
I'll mention something else. I have the standard OEM rims. Deep snow (especially the powder we get when it's well below zero) will fall onto the rim where it's packed by centripetal force as I drive. To remove I have to crawl under the car and scrape it off with an ice scraper, then pull the car forward a few feet and get the rest of the rim cleared. What Subaru needs are rims with open spokes so I can simply reach between them to scrape the snow out. I've thought of spraying the surface of the rim insides with silicone spray or even PAM, but it would probably wash off eventually. I can't even think about going to a car wash or using a hose to get it off here in South Dakota. It's just too cold.
I've got Forester SJ and set of Toyo Open Country R/T tires for all seasons. Very adequate on ice and snow
I find if funny how people claime A/T are the same as snow/ice tires
Same people you see sitting in the ditches along the highways in their jacked up 4WD trucks. They got 4WD and AT tires, they can go as fast as they want...yes, usually, its the turning and stopping...rather trying to turn and trying to stop that they find out the hard way doesn't work out for them. That 4WD and AT tire may have gotten them going 75mph, but it won't help them stop or turn. AT tires suck for anything but backroads driving, their rubber compound isn't made for rain even, let alone snow/ice.
@wildbill23c this isn't entirely true. Lots of A/T tires are 3 peak mountain snow rated meaning you get some guaranteed baseline performance in snow.
The one thing that was missing, was the mode setting on the car.
Anyway, thanks for giving the temperature since "cold" alone doesn't have any significant meaning. I grew up in Florida, so 50 degrees is cold to me.
I love that green color on the forester, do you know what it's called? Also those rims on the snow tires look really really nice👌🏼
Autumn green metallic
Need? No. Want, yes. If you have the income to spend and you can swap these beauties on over your all seasons then why not!
We had few days of snow in the south. My AWD SUV is equipped with Michelin Defender. They are comparable to 3 peak Falken All Terrain, and I had no problem driving on 4 inch snow. I just couldn't see putting All Terrain on my luxury SUV.
TireRack refers the Vredestein Wintrac Pro as a "Performance" winter tire, so it's a central european tire, less focus on snow and ice and more on cold-wet and cold-dry winter roads.
The difference I’ve noticed between my falken wildpeaks and true winter tires is in stopping. The wildpeaks do well enough
You said it’s cold at 29 degrees. As a Minnesotan, that a nice warm day after the cold spell broke.
Love your videos, and as your neighbor to the south in PDX, you know our roads are sometimes horrendous because of ice, no salt, and probably the worst DOT and city governments in the country. What are your thoughts on studded winter tires? My property sits on a 14-degree incline and the only way I can get down it is with chains. Also, I recently purchased a 2023 Outback Wilderness Edition... thanks in part to your videos on the vehicle.
Studs can damage road surfaces so I would try a good set of winters first.
I’m in the same boat here, but really we only (so far) see maybe 1-2 days of really bad freeze conditions that would warrant anything more than good studless winter tires. I ran studs for a couple of years but due to what Ryan said would only put them on when I knew the roads had enough on them that I wasn’t hitting asphalt at all. Blizzaks have been outstanding on or FWD car and pretty decent hill during the last couple of storms. Never once had to park it up at the bottom like half the neighborhood seems to do.
FWIW, studded tires cause about $8.5M in road surface damage annually across Oregon per ODOT.
I must admit the fact that the winters are better than the all seasons is no shock. I would be really interested to see a high end winter tire used like the Hakka10 studded. I suspect this would be another leap upward so to speak.
You put a half ton of faith in that rear diff guard! 😅
Primitive makes really good Sh*t. 😉
My new Subaru Onyx 2.5 will arrive next week. I live in the Pac NW . Should I change out the new tires for a better 4 season one? Is this something a Subaru dealer would do while the tires are still brand new on delivery?
I had the Geolander G075s on my GX470 and they were excellent tires in all conditions except stopping the big SUV. I swear by winter tires and will never not have a set.
I will never ever not have winter tires neither.
Try the winter tires in deep snow vs a heavily-siped mudder, like the Trxus MT or the Duratrac.
I thought this was going to be a shootout between a set of real all-terrain tires vs. winter tires, not the crappy OEM So-called all-terrain tires vs. winter tires. My friend had a Forester with those Geolander tires, and he quickly got rid of the tires because they were terrible on any driving service! Not a bad shootout, because it really showed the reason why The Wilderness Forester I buy shortly down the road is not rolling off the lot with the OEM tires on it!
I have Michelin Latitude Cross tyres on my 2.0 diesel Forester ......great tyres
This topic brings me to ask, what scan tool would you guys recommend for changing your tires or even just a tire rotation? Mr.subaru's recommended scan tool is about $500-1000.
I did my first tire rotation myself and the Forester dash went nuts. Then Subaru wanted to charge me for the TPMS reset. I find making an appointment at being charged for tire rotation/ tire pressure monitoring system reset is unacceptable. I would rather do this myself. So any recommendations would be awesome!
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I've already know the answer from Tyre Reviews, but good to know it's the same when it's on off-road terrain as well.
I wonder how it would drive comparing ATs against stock? like if you fitted KO2s.
Can you do one that uses more aggressive all terrain tires on an offroad test?
sold!!!
Firestone destination ATS out perform most for winter why I used them for my last 3 sets now. Their tread is designed for it unlike many other ATs
While I don't dispute the conclusions, the second run was made in the tracks left by the first run. So the conditions were not the same
Ryan, very impressive, both the car and the winter tires. Question: for all around use, what do you like driving more, this Forester or your old 4Runner?
Forester gets 2x the fuel economy than a 4Runner ever would...and the Forester is much more comfortable.
always wondered why you ride on summer tires in winter, even alpine tires give a big advantage on snow, but if you take the Scandinavian type of tires the difference will be incredible especially on ice.
Cool! 😊👍🏼
I’d like to know what’s brand name of those wheels, and how much does each rim weigh?
What I love about Ryan's reviews is that unlike some other reviewers he knows what he's talking about with all the technical parts of the tires