The way KG explains things makes it feel like JYP does what both small and big agencies used to do back in the day. I don’t think JYP’s Korean groups are living in some kind of fairy tale, but at least with the "Big 3" companies, when groups debut, they get paid from Day 1. The debt system from training is something you usually see more in smaller companies. I feel like JYP takes advantage of the fact that they’re American and not Korean to exploit their trainees. Also, when you brought up Korean law vs. American law, it hit me: JYP made an American girl group on American soil but applied the Korean system without respecting American laws. That’s a big problem because when you move to another country, you have to follow their rules. I’m French, and I want to visit both Korea and America, but if I went there, I wouldn’t act like, "Oh, I’m French, so I’ll follow French laws here." Thankfully, JYP doesn’t have much power in America, and Californian laws about children are super strict. I really hope the other VCHA members will follow KG’s example. Another thing is, even if all this mistreatment hadn’t happened, I don’t think VCHA would have been very successful worldwide as JYP wanted, especially given their style and concept. JYP made a huge mistake. Instead of researching what works in international markets, they based VCHA on Twice. While Twice fits Korean standards and K-pop fans’ expectations, that doesn’t always align with what the international market wants. That’s why we ended up with VCHA, which feels like it came out of a Disney Channel series. Long-term, this group would only really appeal to K-pop fans or super young teenagers because it’s too “childish” to attract adult non-K-pop fans. On the flip side, HYBE has done proper research. Kateyes has a more mature concept that isn’t overly sexy, so it can appeal to kids, teens, and adults while still maintaining that K-pop touch. Unlike the typically pure and cute concepts common in Asian groups, international audiences prefer a more mature style.
I don't think SM groups got paid. There was a group suing SM for a slave contract. It's very similar to KG's situation. The big 3 companies were never good. The California labor laws are there to protect minors, minors cannot work without a permit and only work certain hours. With the right management, promotions and following the labor laws, VCHA would have been a sucessful group. Katseye have consultants that help them with labor laws and the youngest has certain times of work. But I don't think everything is good, there are still problems. I remember some of the Twice members having to sneak food and Bang Chan took the blame for it. JYPE starving these trainees is horrible, what's the point of this. It makes no sense since they have to train like athletes but can't eat anything to properly fuel themselves for the physical labor of training. Ridiculous beauty standards.
@@AwakeningWings I know that idols sued SM in the past, but if I were a small to medium-sized company, you would have the debt system in place. This means that during the time you were trained by the agency, you would only begin being paid after paying off your debt. In the Big 3 companies, that system doesn't exist. This is what I meant to say. However, JYP USA seems to use that system for VCHA. I’m also glad that Californian law is strict about child labor-it's the same here in France. You can legally start working between the ages of 16 and 18, but it is very strict when it comes to working hours. There are a few exceptional cases where you can start at 14, but these are highly regulated and strictly enforced.
@@NingKook000 But the Big 3 companies are the ones that started that system. They were using it. That's why the group that sued them said it was a slave contract. They had to pay a fine to break/leave the contract too. The system is there, sometimes we can't see it. But it's there. Yeah, I am glad too. Children shouldn't work like slaves. Yes, it's very similar to what it's like in France. The Industrial Revolution forced children to work, factories are horrible places.
@@AwakeningWings like i said i know all this but for the salary now a day i'm not sure qbout hybe but when you debut in a korean group under JYP, SM or YG you are payed since D-1, the dept system you found it in small and medium agencies it mean like in JYP VCHA have the dept system while nmixx getting payed since D-1 which a difference of treatement.
It's so sad that this had to happen for people to get a reality check that jyp is not the good company everyone is making them out to be, they are one of the top 4 agencies in kpop to accomplish that you need to do some unethical things. 2024 is just depressing and I am so happy it's almost over(also because I am getting a 2 week break from uni in january)
@@Leidyybug still a sublabel of jyp, very thing that label does goes through two agencies including jyp including the practices of the stuff working vcha. I would admit to my mistake if you show that jyp america is independant from jyp in everything but financially like the hybe labels.
I love your video, you are always unbaised and objective and that is so hard to come by in K-tube, I hope you are blessed with a successful and happier 2025
It’s not just K-pop. I don’t have much hope that there will be a global change. Ballet, tv/music, gymnastics the list goes on. The people that think an American lawsuit will be a slap down precedent, I hope so, but please look at the trainee bleeding from her stomach and told to put a feminine pad on it and go to the dr. After practice hours later. Yup. That was Jojo Siwa’s show from….. 2024. Nothing changed-obviously-
So true... this type of treatment is not only happening in kpop, it happens in other places too. I remember when I was 6, my teacher would make me spin continuously from one side of the room the the other. In the ballroom, the type of spin technique you use stops you from being dizzy. He would make me do it again and again until I did it right. This was back in the early 2000s of Australian summer, unless you were in a major city, there were no Air Conditioners. The number of times I almost puked... 😅
I don't really have anything to say this time, other than I'm tired. I'm just tired of seeing this happen over and over again with hardly any changes. I've kind of been falling out of K-pop music. I don't feel like I'll be listening to a lot of it now. Maybe when BTS comes back or something but it's just gotten very tiring.
feeling burned out and taking a break is totally normal, do what is best for your mental health and comeback when and if you are ready because that doesn't make any less of a fan, I wouldn't have been a kpop stan for 11 years if I didn't take breaks
@@Haifa386 Thank you ☺ Your words are really sweet. I'm taking a break. Oh, and I know I'm not less of a fan if I leave and come back later. I just meant in general. Plus, 2024 was a strange year with low vibration energies.
You know some bunnies are comparing KG situation to to Hanni saying it's similar? Even as far as saying oh probably got courage from Hanni, which I guess. But that's so unnecessary
I agree, it is unnecessary. That's how K-pop stans are, especially bunnies. KG has been trying to leave since before Hanni said anything. None of what Hanni said or did compares to what KG had to go through. Hanni also used media play by her former CEO. That former CEO MHJ should have done her job and helped NewJeans, not use them. Hanni should have talked about actual mistreatment and should have concrete proof of it but she didn't do that. And Hanni doesn't need to be the perfect victim or whatever but she needs proof and should have taken it to court.
@@AwakeningWings kpop stans and there one track mind is something that deserves a study funded on it because it amazing how a music genre can make you lose your sense of bjjective reasoning and moral compass
@@Haifa386 I know, the psychologists need to study this in more depth. I don't know where K-pop stan's minds are at. They complain about mistreatment but then go and bully the idols. Then there's the whole appropriation stuff; it's like they are mad just to be mad at something. Make it make sense. There is no reason or moral compass. And Hanni should have taken it to court if she had a problem like that. HYBE isn't a company like SM, YG, or JYPE, they would have treated this fairly if Hanni really truly had a problem. KG has been doing this since May. Around that time MHJ was CEO of Ador, so it makes no sense to compare the two things.
To the people who are blaming JYP Korea, they obviously haven’t done their research. This was their secondary sub agency in California. KG said that the Korean staff and JYP himself actually took very good care of them.
@ Like I said, stop blaming JYPE Korea for an incident that happened in the US. Incidents like this haven’t happened in Korea for JYP in 7-8 years. I’m not about to hate JYPE in Korea for something that went on in the US. I’m sorry. Also, there are different divisions in the company. VCHA are under division 3. They have totally different staff. Not to mention they’re in a whole other country.
@@mochi_finley What happened with Lia? She chose to go haitus to get her mental in check. What’s wrong with that? And not all staff in the American branch are from Korea. There is more American staff than you think The Korean branch as a WHOLE should not be affected. Only division 3. If you think otherwise, I honestly don’t know what to tell you. But anyway neither of us are obviously not gonna chance our views so I see no point in debating farther.
@ That’s what I’m saying..wether they came from the Korean branch or not, the abuse took place in the US. The staff are grown adults and it sucks that this happened to her and other members aswell. But this is automatically going to affect the groups under the whole agency because then hate will start pouring in targeted at TWICE, ITZY, SKZ, Xdinary Heroes, NMIXX, NEXZ, BOYSTORY etc.
This subsidiary is appart of JYP so it their respensability to check. it we learn that Hybe US mistreat kat eyes people will critizise hybe for the same raiso
@ How do we know they didn’t and that’s the reason KG came out and said it? And people are not only criticizing JYPE, but the groups under the label as well.
The way KG explains things makes it feel like JYP does what both small and big agencies used to do back in the day. I don’t think JYP’s Korean groups are living in some kind of fairy tale, but at least with the "Big 3" companies, when groups debut, they get paid from Day 1. The debt system from training is something you usually see more in smaller companies. I feel like JYP takes advantage of the fact that they’re American and not Korean to exploit their trainees.
Also, when you brought up Korean law vs. American law, it hit me: JYP made an American girl group on American soil but applied the Korean system without respecting American laws. That’s a big problem because when you move to another country, you have to follow their rules. I’m French, and I want to visit both Korea and America, but if I went there, I wouldn’t act like, "Oh, I’m French, so I’ll follow French laws here."
Thankfully, JYP doesn’t have much power in America, and Californian laws about children are super strict. I really hope the other VCHA members will follow KG’s example.
Another thing is, even if all this mistreatment hadn’t happened, I don’t think VCHA would have been very successful worldwide as JYP wanted, especially given their style and concept. JYP made a huge mistake. Instead of researching what works in international markets, they based VCHA on Twice. While Twice fits Korean standards and K-pop fans’ expectations, that doesn’t always align with what the international market wants. That’s why we ended up with VCHA, which feels like it came out of a Disney Channel series. Long-term, this group would only really appeal to K-pop fans or super young teenagers because it’s too “childish” to attract adult non-K-pop fans.
On the flip side, HYBE has done proper research. Kateyes has a more mature concept that isn’t overly sexy, so it can appeal to kids, teens, and adults while still maintaining that K-pop touch. Unlike the typically pure and cute concepts common in Asian groups, international audiences prefer a more mature style.
I don't think SM groups got paid. There was a group suing SM for a slave contract. It's very similar to KG's situation. The big 3 companies were never good.
The California labor laws are there to protect minors, minors cannot work without a permit and only work certain hours.
With the right management, promotions and following the labor laws, VCHA would have been a sucessful group. Katseye have consultants that help them with labor laws and the youngest has certain times of work. But I don't think everything is good, there are still problems.
I remember some of the Twice members having to sneak food and Bang Chan took the blame for it. JYPE starving these trainees is horrible, what's the point of this. It makes no sense since they have to train like athletes but can't eat anything to properly fuel themselves for the physical labor of training. Ridiculous beauty standards.
@@AwakeningWings
I know that idols sued SM in the past, but if I were a small to medium-sized company, you would have the debt system in place. This means that during the time you were trained by the agency, you would only begin being paid after paying off your debt. In the Big 3 companies, that system doesn't exist. This is what I meant to say. However, JYP USA seems to use that system for VCHA.
I’m also glad that Californian law is strict about child labor-it's the same here in France. You can legally start working between the ages of 16 and 18, but it is very strict when it comes to working hours. There are a few exceptional cases where you can start at 14, but these are highly regulated and strictly enforced.
@@NingKook000 But the Big 3 companies are the ones that started that system. They were using it. That's why the group that sued them said it was a slave contract. They had to pay a fine to break/leave the contract too. The system is there, sometimes we can't see it. But it's there.
Yeah, I am glad too. Children shouldn't work like slaves. Yes, it's very similar to what it's like in France. The Industrial Revolution forced children to work, factories are horrible places.
@@AwakeningWings
like i said i know all this but for the salary now a day i'm not sure qbout hybe but when you debut in a korean group under JYP, SM or YG you are payed since D-1, the dept system you found it in small and medium agencies it mean like in JYP VCHA have the dept system while nmixx getting payed since D-1 which a difference of treatement.
@@NingKook000 Oh, you mean now. Then possibly they get paid since day 1. It's so strange how VCHA is treated then.
It's so sad that this had to happen for people to get a reality check that jyp is not the good company everyone is making them out to be, they are one of the top 4 agencies in kpop to accomplish that you need to do some unethical things. 2024 is just depressing and I am so happy it's almost over(also because I am getting a 2 week break from uni in january)
@@Haifa386 I’m sick of people associating VCHA with Korea. This was JYP in America.
@@Leidyybug still a sublabel of jyp, very thing that label does goes through two agencies including jyp including the practices of the stuff working vcha. I would admit to my mistake if you show that jyp america is independant from jyp in everything but financially like the hybe labels.
@@Haifa386 They both have different staffs tho
@@Leidyybug It was a Korean staff that allegedly abused KG, I think it was in her lawsuit document.
@@Haifa386 Yeah, it's connected to JYPE in South Korea.
I love your video, you are always unbaised and objective and that is so hard to come by in K-tube, I hope you are blessed with a successful and happier 2025
Thank you so much Haifa! That means a lot 🙏
It’s not just K-pop. I don’t have much hope that there will be a global change. Ballet, tv/music, gymnastics the list goes on. The people that think an American lawsuit will be a slap down precedent, I hope so, but please look at the trainee bleeding from her stomach and told to put a feminine pad on it and go to the dr. After practice hours later. Yup. That was Jojo Siwa’s show from….. 2024. Nothing changed-obviously-
So true... this type of treatment is not only happening in kpop, it happens in other places too. I remember when I was 6, my teacher would make me spin continuously from one side of the room the the other. In the ballroom, the type of spin technique you use stops you from being dizzy. He would make me do it again and again until I did it right. This was back in the early 2000s of Australian summer, unless you were in a major city, there were no Air Conditioners. The number of times I almost puked... 😅
@@strawbinni_ Were you allowed to take any breaks? Did they tell you to continue on an injury?
You aren't wrong, but this video is only talking about the K-pop industry here. The broader stuff also needs to change.
I don't really have anything to say this time, other than I'm tired. I'm just tired of seeing this happen over and over again with hardly any changes. I've kind of been falling out of K-pop music. I don't feel like I'll be listening to a lot of it now. Maybe when BTS comes back or something but it's just gotten very tiring.
feeling burned out and taking a break is totally normal, do what is best for your mental health and comeback when and if you are ready because that doesn't make any less of a fan, I wouldn't have been a kpop stan for 11 years if I didn't take breaks
@@Haifa386 Thank you ☺ Your words are really sweet. I'm taking a break. Oh, and I know I'm not less of a fan if I leave and come back later. I just meant in general. Plus, 2024 was a strange year with low vibration energies.
I like KG a lot too. Her vocal tone is so pretty. I just wish she was treated better.
You know some bunnies are comparing KG situation to to Hanni saying it's similar? Even as far as saying oh probably got courage from Hanni, which I guess. But that's so unnecessary
Interestingly enough, I actually watched a video recently, explaining why KG’s situation is not the same as Hanni’s situation.
I agree, it is unnecessary. That's how K-pop stans are, especially bunnies.
KG has been trying to leave since before Hanni said anything. None of what Hanni said or did compares to what KG had to go through. Hanni also used media play by her former CEO. That former CEO MHJ should have done her job and helped NewJeans, not use them. Hanni should have talked about actual mistreatment and should have concrete proof of it but she didn't do that. And Hanni doesn't need to be the perfect victim or whatever but she needs proof and should have taken it to court.
@@moonlight_antonio I saw a video like that too.
@@AwakeningWings kpop stans and there one track mind is something that deserves a study funded on it because it amazing how a music genre can make you lose your sense of bjjective reasoning and moral compass
@@Haifa386 I know, the psychologists need to study this in more depth. I don't know where K-pop stan's minds are at. They complain about mistreatment but then go and bully the idols. Then there's the whole appropriation stuff; it's like they are mad just to be mad at something. Make it make sense. There is no reason or moral compass.
And Hanni should have taken it to court if she had a problem like that. HYBE isn't a company like SM, YG, or JYPE, they would have treated this fairly if Hanni really truly had a problem. KG has been doing this since May. Around that time MHJ was CEO of Ador, so it makes no sense to compare the two things.
She’s the voice of the vcha and her leaving, it’s gonna be boring and a total rebranding
To the people who are blaming JYP Korea, they obviously haven’t done their research. This was their secondary sub agency in California. KG said that the Korean staff and JYP himself actually took very good care of them.
@ Like I said, stop blaming JYPE Korea for an incident that happened in the US. Incidents like this haven’t happened in Korea for JYP in 7-8 years. I’m not about to hate JYPE in Korea for something that went on in the US. I’m sorry. Also, there are different divisions in the company. VCHA are under division 3. They have totally different staff. Not to mention they’re in a whole other country.
@@mochi_finley What happened with Lia? She chose to go haitus to get her mental in check. What’s wrong with that? And not all staff in the American branch are from Korea. There is more American staff than you think The Korean branch as a WHOLE should not be affected. Only division 3. If you think otherwise, I honestly don’t know what to tell you. But anyway neither of us are obviously not gonna chance our views so I see no point in debating farther.
@ That’s what I’m saying..wether they came from the Korean branch or not, the abuse took place in the US. The staff are grown adults and it sucks that this happened to her and other members aswell. But this is automatically going to affect the groups under the whole agency because then hate will start pouring in targeted at TWICE, ITZY, SKZ, Xdinary Heroes, NMIXX, NEXZ, BOYSTORY etc.
This subsidiary is appart of JYP so it their respensability to check.
it we learn that Hybe US mistreat kat eyes people will critizise hybe for the same raiso
@ How do we know they didn’t and that’s the reason KG came out and said it? And people are not only criticizing JYPE, but the groups under the label as well.