Which Champions Are Stronger - Early Or Late Game? | League of Legends
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For today's video I wanted to start a comparison between champions who are strong in the early game and champions who are strong in the lategame to decide which one is objectively stronger!
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Is kled a late game scaler?
Cuz his W and R do max health physical scaling with ad.
I play lethality kled with dark harvest and hubris and axiom arc because I often fall behind but I can catch up fast with repeatedly ulting. Hubris let's me get a lot if ad
Early game junglers are meant to snowball other lanes that scale better into late game, around the time when they become irrelevant. Late game junglers are meant to counter the laners that the early game junglers snowballed, either way, you’re getting yelled at.
Yes, either way, if one of your laner starts to lose, they will surely say... "Jungle Difference."
That is why we pick early game junglers.
@Aarón Arjona cough ivern
@Aarón Arjona also how would we know if you've said it or not
@Aarón Arjona Ivern is the Best. Attempt. You're wanting a braindead champion that doesn't need to gank, that doesn't need to make plays, and just needs to sit there are press keys. You're asking for way too much. Yuumi is squishy, she needs others, she needs assists, there's nothing different about Yuumi and Ivern. You don't even know how the jungle works. Just play Yuumi while pressing qwer 4 only every game if you want that
Fiora is a lategame midgame earlygame hypercarry with only weakness, being potential potato brain of the user
yone too
You just described the four horsewomen of toplane and the disrespect to humanity called Vayne.
and the fact that she's terrible in 5v5s
@@damour3317 and why would you team fight if the pressence of you require 2-3 people to defense the lane you had dominated else you can bulldoze their base cuz for some fucking reason Riot let your Q hit turrent and the fact that you have 3 fucking auto reset to destroy base ?
@@nghiatrantrung834 that's the whole point of a splitpusher. they're good in sidelane, they're monsters at 1v1s, they're mobile and can take towers fast, but as a trade off they're horrible in an organized 5v5 teamfight.
the objective of a fed splitpusher is to splitpush the lane that's the opposite to the upcoming objective. their presence draws pressure from the enemy team and forces them to collapse on them and kill them. if their team knows how to play around the splitpusher, they will take an objective while the splitpusher draws pressure away from the rest of their team. this isn't even a fiora exclusive thing- this applies to every duelist that can splitpush. Yorick, Jax, Tryndamere, Camille etc..
Keep in mind that if a splitpusher falls behind they are essentially useless. if they lose the 1v1 to their counterpart, they won't draw any pressure as the enemy team doesn't need to send any extra people to deal with the splitpusher. they can just take the 4v4 and win. or worse, if the enemy top laner has tp, tp to the teamfight and fight 5v4.
It all depends on the skill of the player, Brother Vars. Draven is glorious, strong, and stylish. But if the player doesn't take advantage of my strengths. I will be going 0/10.
Draven is best champion early game midgame lategame and outside of game.
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The problem with early game champs is if they get behind or don’t have an opportunity to snowball they’ll try to shift blame, ff at 15, or run it down. That’s why learning how to be carried is just as important as learning how to carry imo
i don't understand why some should learn how to get carried, i mean it should be more like an instinct and not something that you need to learn, i would gladly let myself be carried but idk why some don't feel the same
@@vinaayagamkarunagaran3439 huge egos
@@Mimi-py8mf so it's this ego that ruins a lot of my games, it's odd how even when it seems obvious that we should be carried if we are fall behind, we humans somehow do the total opposite just because of the ego
Me who has always played with people who are better than me: Yea stepping outside of tower is just death, doesn’t matter the champ you will die. So just farm and don’t die and hopefully your team got you.
Fax
Funny how Fiora is strong in early, mid and late game
ssshhh. fiora mains will get upset at the mere reference that their champ is actually a bit too strong.
Same for GP
Akshan as well
@@JV-km9xk probably they will come with their cope "umm, actually fiora is duelist so she can deal more damage 🤓" and this more damage is fucking 1000 true damage per attack to tanks
@@NELTIofficial i mean if you're trying to 1v1 a fiora as a tank in the late game you're not playing the game correctly
Camille and Yone are THE early game, mid game, late game top, mid, adc, support, jungle, tank, adc, skirmisher, bruiser, assasin, mage. So they are THE stronger champion.
Weirdest stereotype about Camille. Can't argue too much about Yon- just don't auto him standing still getting hit by all his q lvl 1
Camille early game isn’t even very good with limited damage. Pre divine/trinity you only trade with passive and never again until it’s up because of her low early game damage
@@ProperScroll I think one item still counts as early game.
@@komgoo4974 that’s fair
Yome I get it but can u explain why Camille too?
Edit:oh yea forgor her passive thingy
Fiora is late game? Why is a """late game""" champion allowed to be such a pain in the ass during laning phase?
The e-girls champs like fiora, camille, riven, akali. Are "weak" earlygame but really they're broken at every point of the game and will oneshot you even when 0/10. Or you're 15/0 and try to 1v1 them and you still die. Great champs.
@@roberto9612 what's egirl about the champ you listed lol?
@@Mimi-py8mf E-girl as in the champs themselves look like disney princess e-girls that are allowed to be broken because riot makes 10000 skins for them every week.
@@roberto9612 camille disney princess?
@@roberto9612 none of those champs look even remotely like a princess, do you actually play league?
Has anyone else noticed that a lot of the modern champion scale well or at least relatively decent into the late game?
A lot of early game and mid game champions are stat checkers, which Riot is trying their best to prevent
Even some early game champs like Renek have had theyr scaling buffed, like Renek doesnt fall of as hard anymore same with panth do to some ''recent'' ult buffs with panth getting free armor pen on ult and renek getting ad scaling on ult, and some late game buffs on his basic abilities.
@@milonchello1643 renekton is dog shit in the late game unless u have a full ad build and can one shot someone.. that or u are lvl 18 when they are 15 or u will not do dmg or be tanky
@@alex2005z bruh, if a early-mid game stat checker can be counter by not letting them kill you it's easy as fuck to play against. But if the stat checker is a late game power house(basically lethal tempo Kayle Jax,Yone,Yasuo,Yi or Camile,Fiora) can bully your opponent and carry the game while effectively snowball. That shit is just pure toxic. The fact that you can name alot of late game carry that can be early game stat checker is retarded as fuck.
The Kayle thing is the worse, lethal tempo + passive = the most bull shit late game carry with supose worse early game ever but out trade everything and effectively 1v1 almost every bruiser.
@@StoneDeceiver there is a way. buy the strongest flat damage dealing(no scaling) item and then build tank. trinity does give ad that scaled from your base ad but thats not what i mean, just go blade into full tank. blade deals more damage than 3 crit items. do the yone build of bork sunfire deaths dance or bork sunfire gargoyle and full tank.
no bork isnt countered by armor and no you dont need armor pen for it to deal damage. super good build for teamfights since you can tank and deal a lot of damage as long as the enemy is full hp
Keep in mind that the enemy team will be tilted and exhausted faster if you had the advantage most of the time, so even at the late game they won't play that great
But if you manage to keep earlies from getting a lead and they know they're early, they might get frustrated (I tend to avoid many early game Champs cuz I feel stressed about getting a lead the whole time)
Yesterday I had a Malifaux match against a Nellie Cochrane crew. She is a controller, meaning she just doesn't let you play the game, but as the game goes on, her crew starts to die and thus deteriorate.
Game runs for five rounds. At turn three, 3 hours were spent and I was exhausted. I won eventually, but at the cost of my sanity.
This is what playing against an early game heavy comp is like. Infuriating and sapping.
Coping with a "okay, we scale" is hard af, while they push your tier 1 towers and get both heralds, while you struggle to keep dragons or at least your jg fed even...
I'm not so sure about that
Pro play: early game jungler, scaling everywhere else (except support). Jungle has the highest impact in the game early on, so they can hold 3 lanes without push and give up camps, while lanes powerfarm for late
Why would you not want your support to scale lol
@@jensentaylor1384 if u watch proplay, the sp often dies 6 times for his team, knowing he is not as worth as the mid ryze or adc aphelios. That's why tanky engage supports like Leona, Nautilus or Braum are used in every single pro game. They sacrifice themselves instead of sitting down like that dumbass Yuumi bronze 3 player, and don't need to scale to be useful because their base kit is useful enough.
@@EruCoolGuy yuumi has one of the highest pick ban rate in lec and lcs :)
@@goodknight2496 but thats the lcs and lec
@@EruCoolGuy Dude my favorite sprt champ is Braum and Allistar cuz even if my adc is whack I can atleast support the crop out of everyone else haha
The main problem with some champs is that even though they scale well their early game agency is amazing too. I'd argue that ornn scales almost just as well as a kayle, with team item upgrades to follow but his earlygame is sometimes too strong, letting him even WIN lane often times even when the two players are similar skill, that should not be allowed
Well, Ornn is a tank so he needs to have at least some kind of early to mid game power or else he doesnt get to do his job till the adc can scale and carry.
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Ornn specifically is not a problem in my opinion because he has as a tank inherintly a very limited abbility to use his power to win the game. For instance he relies on teamfights. And additionally he is very easily counter picked.
But I do agree with your point that well scaling champions with good early games are a problem and that it happens regularly. I just think usually riot is pretty good at patching it out again.
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Funny that of all the toplane champs that has decent early game that scales well , you would complain about a tank
But to be fair , unless ornn is ultra fed , he is not gonna 1v5 the game , unlike kayle , he still needs at least some other laner to have actual agency. And if the other team adc is fed ? Ornn isnt going to do shit alone
Vars : i think i am forgetting something for this video
editor : if you forgot it, then its not important
Vars : yeah
mid game champions : ...
edit : hey vars, could you make a video on nasus vs renekton or kayle vs morgana?
i know this isnt the topic but its kinda funny that many of the champions in the "why no one plays" series are actually getting a lot of attention and are good nowadays
i think the most difficult part of playing late game champs is just the fact that you're gonna have to deal with the inherent tilt factor of teammates who don't want to wait till late game before they make their bonobo ass plays. If they feed early and you're not strong enough early to stop them or reset the difference, they'll be less motivated to wait for your scaling. If you hard push and win lane, roam and gank hella, the general mental of a team is stronger because you experience slight wins, and avoid/mitigate losses at the start of the game that might tilt your team.
This is League in a nutshell.
Late game champs only work with the entire team of other late game champs (lets say Nasus, Kayn, Orianna, Jinx, Lux) because they are just as patient as you lol and will try to play safe the entire early
Why choose between early and late when you can have irelia, akshan, yone or Jax who are strong in every phase of the game
Well rn Irelia isnt really strong, especially not at lategame. Obviously with godly mechanics you will always be the best, but she's just nerfed enough that most Irelias can be easily countered
Irelia is soooo weak rn and home doesn’t do a thing early? I agree akshan is op and also max but yk irelia isnt strong
Jax isnt strong early
@@periklisperperis6868 As Jax, I've dived people who got a little too greedy before level 6. At 6 to 11, I can dive into towers. He has a strong early game, mainly against aa champs top he will crush no matter the phase.
@@grimdagoblinmain i can dive people as karthus lvl 6. Doesnt make me good early gane
Early game champions typically have more hard carry potential, but just not as much innate consistency in their kits. In short, play Tryndamere. He's OP in both.
Tristana can fuck you up early if you're not careful and still scales like a mf
Or fiora
Personally ever since the durability update my average match time has been 35-50 minutes long in draft normals so I'm very much in the camp of late game champs, but the more important thing is having a engage that's good at all points of the game like rakan or thresh it makes such a difference in team fights and allows late game champs to get early kills and early game champs to stay relevent into the late game now the person piloting that champ still needs to know what they are doing, but I think as a whole having a engage that doesn't care about what point of the game they are in matters far more than if your carries are late or early game champs
Shit I wish I could get some 50 minute games. I love late game when you have all your items and you're a god on the rift. My average is probably 35 minutes so I'm usually not hitting the super late game
In my low elo draft pick normal games in Turkey lasts so fricking long. Bcs everyone has an ego problem where they do not take towers and just try to fight as much as possable. I play Sion, Yorick etc. And they get soooo madddd. Some guy even called me out saying that we played for towers and did not fight. Yeah that is how you win games. As a Sion I never surrender and usually someone else does not too so I usually win.
playing champions that are good at every stage of the game >>>>
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The thing with late game champions is that they aren’t always at a disadvantage early. That might be the case some of the time or even most of the time but even the most heavily scaling champions have lane matchups in which they are favored. Conversely, even the best early game champions have lane matchups they lose. So late game champions have the advantage because it is possible to line things up where they win early and still have all their late game power, whereas 30 minute Renekton is always 30 minute Renekton regardless of how hard you won lane.
Once in ranked i won against a enemy Renek that had won his lane hard (he was mid against Sera) but thought that he could do the same and go 1v5 in team fights.
Late game fiora does an avarage of 23% max health true dmg per proc
Ulti make it 92%
What a bitc...
Minmaxed full ad fiora with highest ad possible without gathering storm, and I didn't get numbers that high even with fully stacked conq.
Here is my hot take: every game has an early game phase, but not every game has a late game phase
Homie it's hard to end games especially for players in low elo
Or you can just get kills/assists early game and get to 3 items before 2nd herald and that's ur late game.
Wdym your hot take
You just copied what he said in the video Xd
how is stating a fact a hot take? lmao
How is that a hot take ? Its just a fact wtf
To me the problem when comparing early to late is that in the current state of the game, a lot of champions that used to be very late game oriented are much stronger at earlier stages than before. This has been the case ever since Riot reworked the items. The first item mythic power spike is so big that even late game champs can trade as soon as they get it. Champs like Vayne should not be able to win against early-mid game oriented bot lane comps (and she generally doesn't), however since the release of the new runes and new items, Vayne has access to lethal tempo or press the attack plus a huge shield along with life steal on her first item, that's nuts. And the same can apply to a lot of champs. Champs like Camille, Gwen or Fiora are also scaling duelists but as soon as they hit one full item they can poop on early game champs because the power spike is just that strong.
100% this. I just hate how mythics gab3 everyone one item powerspike buffing champs that didn't have it but also nerfing champions that arent super strong early but for which the first item was a "now go get fed before you fall off at 3 items" moment. Plus to me it just took away one of the cooler skill testing things in league which is knowing your champions and enemies' champs power spikes and playing accordingly, as now everyone gets a big boost to power after 1st item
Both are equally important, in my opinion. But I'm more comfortable playing late-game champs since 1) Once I'm relevant, I'm always relevant, and 2) I'm naturally a pacifist, I don't want to just get into fights constantly, so while many people say late-game champs don't get to play the game for the first 20 minutes, I very much enjoy just sitting back and farm for 20 minutes straight.
As a jg main there are 2 scenarios:
- Play a early game jg, get lanes ahead, become useless later on and prob get flamed.
- Play a late game jg, scale and counter other snowballed lanes at the cost of your own lanes, and prob get flamed.
- Exist and prob get flamed.
I really feel like riot really doesnt make scaling champs weak enough in the early game
i ask why can bel 1v1 early and win, shes a late game hypercarry
Kayle is horrible early bel veth only wins since he has her 70% damage reduction 15% life steal E and her Q gives her extra attack speed as a dash and she's still probably weaker then a Lee sin early
@@andreijorge7084 tell that about kayle to my teammates. Somehow they always loose vs kayle starting with lvl 1. A week ago i had a panth top getting solokilled by kayle with lvl 3.
@@chiidybang370 kayle has one of the best level 1.
How to beat Korean players in ranked on their server. Lock in a team of late game Champs, play extremely safe and farm let nothing happen, they'll go insane and lose their minds and ff for wasting time or theu will lose because early game is all they practiced.
Champions who are great at both (riven, fiora, gangplank, etc…)
I hope you'll consider Pantheon not only as an strong early champion, because he's actually strong late, while being a bit weak in mid game witch is funny.
No????? With my Pantheon Top or Mid its 75% likelihood that I get first blood
@@law8861 "Not only as a strong early champion" I said...
"5 out of few hundred games are genuinely unwinnable" there is a line between being optimistic and insane and you crossed it with triple speed of sound
some games just get decided by the time scuttle crab spawns, and loosing all outer turrets before plates fall are a pretty good indicator the game aint turning around, especially if your team happens to have early game champs vs late game champs.
I personally enjoy late game and scaling champions more. The power fantasy they bring far exceed whatever you could pull off with a lane bully of some sorts. Being the patient person I am, it's logical that I don't mind the waiting for that moment to arrive.
I'd say it depends on lane. In solo lanes, if you play a late game champ and know how to play the early game safe, then you will be more likely to be able to carry your game as it progresses. With jg or bot, you are kind of forced into early game champs because of how kill-focused those roles are. Jg needs to put pressure on lanes early to be able to make a consistent difference. Bot is so early game focused because of jg pressure and the fact that almost every adc and support seems to tilt harder than a seesaw when anything goes wrong in lane.
I remember a Dota pro once described position 1 (equivalent of ADC) as the team's insurance policy. Which makes total sense considering their naturally late-game oriented kits! Time is on their side, if your team doesn't have a significant advantage by a certain timer, that's when the insurance comes into play.
Fun wise I think it comes down to your own preferences, but I will say that snowballing as a late game champ is so much more fun. Being able to carry because you kept up with the role opponent feels good
I think its just best to have a even mix of both types of champs tbh
It is also important to note that some early game champions have strong utility value late game aswell, i.e. pantheon E shield wall gives him damage invulnerability from a specific direction. This gives the champion additional value as the game goes later enabling him to still function as a threat for the enemy team to deal with in teamfights along with his point and click stun and decent burst damage.
Characters arent just simply limited by a binary of being strong early and weak late or the opposite weak early and strong late, we must also estimate their value from a functional and mechanical stand point as certain abillities enable champions to be valuable as a pick even in later stages of a game and vice versa.
I think scaling champs generally have the edge unless your team drafts 5 scaling champions that are forced to afk during the laning phase giving up all pressure to where the enemy starts going for risky plays that normally wouldn't work but, since your team has no way of countering it you just hard lose. Also, if your goal is to climb picking a champion that you don't think can win lane phase consistently will probably be a big obstacle to you so, ideally pick something with an all around decent set of skills that if you're good enough you can outplay someone that maybe specializes in a certain thing
my team with 5 early game champion losing to 5 late game champions and ff's at 15:
I think the answer is based on kits with good utility.
Utility lets the strong early people contribute later on and the strong late people to still be useful before then.
For Yone, attackspeed doubles as cooldownreduction and he basically has double the attackspeed to begin with since his Q behaves mostly like an autoattack, crit chance is 2.5x effective and grants bonus ad and ad increases his physical, magical and true damage. With these scalings, he is not only a late game champion, but he reaches mit game with just his boots and late game with his first item. Which is great fun for all involved.
Is there are list where you could see which supports are early game champs and which are late game? I haven't found such list yet, still relatively new to league and sometimes struggling with understanding which champs scale well and which don't..
Would it be possible to make the argument it depends on your team? For example, could a late game champion survive on a early game team composition, and then could a early game champ survive on a late game composition? And if so, which is easier/better?
I would place my bets on the early game. In my train of thought, it's better to quickly dominate your opponent in lane when they're still struggling to wind up and deal with them late game.
But that doesn't mean I don't value late game play. As a Panth main, I have had many games where I've started off on a solid foot only to be overpowered by an enemy Veigar, Fiora, Darius.
To also answer the question of team comp. I think it would be wise to have a range of champions with their power spike at each early, mid and late game focusing on the early game.
An interesting question 🤔
In my opinion I'll say early to mid game heroes are superior to late game monsters Especially is you're playing solo que
You're more likely to win more games with a champion who is really good at snowballing than a one who needs couple of items to become online
But at the end of the day is all up to the skill of the player not the champion
It's so situational that there is no one better playstyle. It's just as you said if late gamers can play the early mid well they are garunteed to win. If early gamers can pop off early they have a good shot at shutting their opponents outs. But the chance is never zero for the latest.
I think the key point this fails to mention is what champions your team and the enemy team picks. If 9 players are playing early game champs, there's a very high chance that one of those 9 start to snowball. Unless you can Cs massively better than an average player, your scaling champ won't get to their spike before one side wins. And then you feel hopeless seeing this, and start playing early champs, perpetuating the problem. Personally I feel late game champs tend to be better, but you need to team to work with you, and not just coin flip the early game, which without being premade can be really hard to do
Always watching these on the treadmill
It heavily depends on matchup, role, and player skill. When played well an early game top laner can effectively lock their opponent out of the game creating an unwinable situation. On the other hand an unkillable late game tank can act as an anchor for enabling picks and team fights that can be pushed to win the game.
The best teams have a mix of both and play to their teammates strengths unless they have a champion that’s hyper focused on a single phase like Lee Sin early, or Vigar late who can act as win conditions by themselves.
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*Add a reverb fart sound effect for that Yone Ult* 😂😂
I actually think its fairly balanced between the two, but the interaction centers around the existence of the late game scaler. The point of the early game champ is to stop the enemy late game champs from reaching late game, and simultaneously help your team's late game champs reach their late game faster. However the pressure is super high on early game champions to shut down that late game champion through whatever means necessary, and if you can't find a way to do it before they reach powerspikes it can start to feel impossible to take them out. On the flipside, late game champions need to find a way to get the gold necessary to reach their late game status as fast as possible, but their weak early game makes doing that a lot harder when up against early game champs, which is why you need to play cautiously and take fight with thought in order to ensure you don't fall behind as said fight is a risk. I don't think any late game champ excels at showing this more than Viktor, whose passive is a great mid/late game scaling passive, but without fighting, takes extremely long to reach its full potential as it requires nearly 300cs. With champ takedowns giving 25 progress taking fights early is paramount to getting ahead on him, but you can't just rush in for kills recklessly because of how weak he is early. Sometimes on Vik i've played my cards perfectly and become an absolutely unstoppable monster at 20 minutes, and others i've screwed up one fight early on and became irrelevant for the entire rest of the game. Its a delicate dance that both parties have to play and I don't think one is inherently stronger than the other, its just that late game champs are what the interaction between early and late game champs centers itself on.
"U can't afk farm 20 minutes."
Ryze mains : i'll ignore that
I play competitive pokémon (specyally VGC), and I can understand the allegory of sweepers, but actually sweepers are used often in late game because in that time every pokémon has been damaged and bulky-defensive pokémon cannot resist much. There are still "early game" sweepers. Most of them are pokémon with recoil damage moves like talonflame (in 6th gen), or darmanitan, that deal as much damage as possible before falling due to recoil, they usually are powerful wall breakers (specially darmanitan); but late game sweepers are more valuable in VGC even more if they have AOE damage, an example is scarf landorus T using earthquake, kyogre with water spout (Yes, this year are allowed a max of 2 legendaries like kyogre, zacian, etc.), etc. Another example of late game sweepers are boosters. You can't use it unless you take down the opposing pokémon that walls it. In general, you cannot use much boosters because VGC tends to be solid, with bulky pokémon to resist and deal damage at the same time (there are not much stall in VGC due to the shorter battles), so the best option is bring one, or two, but not more fast late game sweepers in a VGC team.
Traditional logic would suggest early game would be more impactful since it A) occurs in every game and B) directly impacts the late game.
However, since 95% of all games are low elo in which we know games go longer, I’ve gotta go with late game.
Me: Sees Fiora in "Late game"
Also me: _Thomas has never seen such bullshit before_
There are really only 3 (arguably 5) metrics that you need to look at to determine if a champ scales well. Survivability, Tankbusting and Aoe. You could argue engage potential and CC, but those are less important and really just make it so you don't scale poorly.
What i believe is more important? a mix a both on the team as the early game champions can protect the late game champions or try to end early through snowballing and if they can't then hopefully they did enough damage to where the late game champions can take over. And trust me we all want to have a early game support over a late game support to save the useless adc from feeding the enemy bot. Or a Soraka that is good through all of the stages of the game in top lane
6:56 The rare vars stater. We don't see that often
In pisslow you are required to have a late game champ everyone chases for kills.
This Guy is a master of talking on end without getting to the Point
Would like to know about those champs that are good the entire game and what gives them such qualities
I'd rather divide the game by ongoing map objectives, slightly differently than by tower plates and dragon soul. Early is laning phase where everyone is spread out, Mid game is grouping up to take towers/dragons/baron beyond just roamers lending an assist - this is when the team fighting really starts, and late game starts when an inhibitor falls and the team that's behind is really on its back foot. However, it could just be that I'm not good enough to be in the games with good enough farming during the laning phase that people are ready to take towers as soon as the plates fall, as well as dragons not prioritized enough to make them the tipping point for late game.
How I feel old - when I have no idea what these new Pokemon do since I haven't kept up with the newer generations....
I don't remember the last time a game went late enough for my xerath to really pop off. FF at 15 means I win or lose long before I have even 3 items. ussually just after plates go down.
I think it depends on the ranks.
High rank player will know how to take advantage of an early kill with an early champ and use the extra gold and exp to keep on ganking and snowball early and mid making it imposible for late champs to scale.
On the other hand, low rank players will get one good gank and just just farm for the next 5 minutes giving the enemy late champs a chance to farm and scale.
I think some lategame champs have it too free earlygame. Things like vlad is strong early and insane late, same with yasuo and yone. There are a loooot of other champs that have not abusable/are even lane bullies in majority of matchups, such as gp
My only problem with scaling champs is that some of them are lane bullies/ have strong laning as well. When you consider champs like Gangplank, Fiora, Camille, Riven, etc there’s just no reason they should be so strong early but also hyper scale into late game monsters.
I main Swain who’s an interesting case, while the latest mini rework made his late-game a bit better he’s never been a late-game champion. He does function okay late but early on I noticed he can get more kills and late game he takes on a role of tanking the enemies and adding some extra damage. I guess it’s because he doesn’t really one shot people, he’s more about damage over time and thriving the best in teamfights
He just gets oneshot because damage scaling is insane and the balance is terrible. If you play for late game you are a fool and make the game more boring for everyone.
thats mostly cause swain is a battle mage rather than a burst or poke mage. we dont really have many of those
they tend to fill more a role of magic damage marksmen with their consistent damage uptime
@@geoDB. Oh I don’t play for lategame you just don’t get to pick and choose how long the game goes most of the time, you gotta adapt to the game
Pantheon is the strongest early game champion if your team mates follow up whenever you cast your 2nd ability .
"To Skayle you have to fight" Laughs in Kayle
You either win or lose a game under 15 mins. If opposing team gets one dragaon and plates in not lane. Its very hard to come back and win.
I used to spam Renekton on almost every game, oftenly winning hard on lane but losing to a 10/1 Vayne and that type of fed hypercarry anyways so yeah, I prefer late game champions as I can at least do something even if my team did nothing but play for the other team
Here's the strawpoll! strawpoll.com/polls/7rnzG9PvLgO
Why did you have to pick vayne and fiora in the thumbnail, that's just early game vs unitemisable game
To this day I am yet to see a champion who comes close to being as powerful as jax with the old spear of shojin in mid to late game.
What you think about a universal defensive option in a moba like lol? How would you design that for lol2? And my way of doing it would be, if you are facing the projectile or atack and you arent in a animation, you take 0 damage from nom projectile attacks and 30% damage from projectiles attacks, and it would reduce crowd control in half if you got hit by any
That’s the worst idea I’ve ever heard 😭
@@itzretakes272 how do you respond to this?
@@ultimocontrole9980 Making cc less effective would RUIN entire champs… think Lux,Neeko, Morg,Fiora,Sej and Veigar
@@itzretakes272 good, and this is a thought experiment about a universal defensive option in a moba, where i copy blocking in fighting games, and this could be ANY defensive option on ANY moba
And how to design a moba around it, not just throw into lol
Where is the link for the strawpoll ?
This video explain very well why you should play riots favorites like yone strong early mid and late game
Youve been using competitive pokemon as examples for a while now, any plans on vids focusing on its history? Smogon singles and vgc?
Honestly I mostly play tanks so no matter what point in the game I’m in I’ll always be useful in someway. Even if I’m not doing the damage I used to do I’ll always be a meat shield and have a lot of CC so I’ll always be useful in Teamfights.
Important point is that many powerful earlygame champs don't actually have a weak lategame. They just have a weak midgame. Examples are champs like Darius, who will 1v5 kill your entire team, Panth, who can push sidelanes, ult into teamfights, and oneshot your carry, or Jayce, who has an extremely powerful neutral.
OR Volibear, champ that outlasts in teamfights even more than Dr. MUNDO with the right build..
@@citizencj3389 I wouldnt classify Voli as an earlygame champ, but instead as a lategame scaler who just so happens to also have a really strong early, kinda like Urgot. In fact, I find that for a lot of champs, they shouldnt really be classified as earlygame, lategame, or midgame champs but instead as early/mid, early/late, or mid/late champs. These examples would all fall under the early/late category, with an emphasis towards the earlygame. One number change, however, and they could be easily stronger late than early. In fact, I find that Pantheon is maybe even stronger in the lategame than the early under the right circumstances, but I mainly play him in the jungle, so my experiences could be skewed.
nothing like playing a hyperscaler with a terrible early game, doing well (relatively) in lane, starting to ramp up, and then the enemy team ffs at 20 before you can reach that delayed gratification
The most important thing is the elo. Low elo players don’t know how to end games early, so most of the time, we’re hitting end game, and our ADC is trying to frontline, so Nasus walks around like a demigod, sticking his staff up our asses because our team drafted like blind mice and the jungler had to AFK because his mom called him down for dinner and
maybe its cos i've never been rly high elo (avg plat, peak d2) - but I personally prefer more early game pressure on a comp, rather than scailing comp. Reason is simple - if you have more early "stat/champion" pressure you are in control of what is going to happen on a map. And its always less scary to drive, than to be a passanger :)
I play to low gold and usually games drag over 25 minutes because of some people that have a bad game so scalers are much more valuable than early game champs that just have a bad game because if a scaler have a bad game in most game he/she can turn the game into winnable just by farming and teamfighting
There is infact , not a strawpoll in the description
My bad! Here it is~ strawpoll.com/polls/7rnzG9PvLgO
Every time i watch you my mind thinks better make more pls
So you are telling me Yone is a fully charged battery with a fueled electric generator attached to it?
As a person who has gone multiple times 20/4 on Akali and lost due to going into late game, the same or other early to mid game champs I play, its definitely better to play a late game champ, if played well, and the job for early game champs imo, is to help the late game champs to get to that point, not try to scale themselves.
That solar panel analogy was kinda doodooass checks
Where’s the poll I don’t see it?
I love kassadin, GP,Jayce, and Jax. All champions that just scale super hard. My main reason to playing late game champions is that I know how to win my lane. So playing a early game champion hurts my chances of carrying the team out of laning phase if they start to feed. If I play a late game character then my champion gets so much power that my actions have so much impact that I can turn the tide for my team when it really matters.
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champions scaling is directly impacted by team comps and how well their kit is enabled in a game. With too much cc and a useful adc nasus can be as usefull as renketon late game.
I would argue that some early game champions aren't just early game for their high base numbers but also because of inherent utility to their kit. A champion like Panth may have high base numbers, but having a point and click stun and directional damage immunity also contribute to his early game strength. Thing is though, is that his W and E can still be useful in the late game regardless of how fed he or the enemy team is. Even if he fell behind, he can at least guarantee one person getting stunned in a good pick. Coupled with his ult, he's still a constant threat offering incredible setup with the rest of his team even if his dps and durability falls off.
I usually enjoy mages most so like Syndra, Ahri, Viktor and so on.
But man picking Talon is just such a bloody kick.
Funny thing is this video will premiere in 2 hours and I already know what it will say.
Feel like the biggest problem with early game champs, especially junglers, Is no matter how hard you can get ahead. Due to the nature of solo Q, and particularly low elo solo Q, it’s almost impossible to get your 4 random teammates to play to end the game before you lose your lead to late gamers and get out scaled. Just my thoughts tho
While I think early is stronger, my favourite champion are « late game champion who excel not in late game », as Illaoi Yorick are my main and secondary.
I like playing late game champions because I don't have the pressure to be aggressive in lane and I can just chill and scale and always know that my win con is getting to late game and teamfighting while playing an early game champion with terrible scalling you are under constant pressure to get a lead get kills snowball the game and end it quickly before late game which I don't enjoy but other players may.