Trim Carpentry - How to Move an Electrical Outlet/Switch
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Thank you so much. I had an outlet that needed to be moved for five years and got it done in 30 minutes after seeing your video. Smh. I’ve never loved an outlet so much. Lol ♥️
Quick tip: run a screw in the middle of the cut out before you cut it. This will give you something to hold and use to pull the drywall out so it doesnt accidentally fall into the wall.
Or just push it into the wall cause why not? 🙂
@@pondlakes yeah I let everything fall into the wall
@@dylanmerritt3396 So trashy
Why would I do that?
You are a great teacher. Thank you for going slowly and thoroughly. Us weekend warriors really appreciate it.
Always break the ears off the switch yoke when using the blue boxes. Those tabs keep the switch from sitting deep enough in the box. Leave them on when they are holding the switch body against drywall. Your face plates will sit much better and the switch will not rock from side to side as it will be locked in the spot made for it in the blue box. Always enjoy your vids!
So glad I took the time to look at your inventory of videos!!! you are a wonderfully skilled carpenter. Genuinely appreciate you publishing the content.
I'm a painter and always doing extra stuff for homeowners. What a great video. I know a lot about remodeling but you also make things so informative look so easy. What a great video. Much appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to post.
He gave the confidence to fix mines.
It is important to know that in some areas electrical code forbids BURYING a junction box in the wall. This would be the case where the existing wires were too short to reach the new location. In that case the old box would need a cover plate and be accessible to the surface and a jumper would be used to the new box.
Is it permissable to splice wires behind a wall, using wire nuts or push connectors?
@@dougb8207 no
I tell my wife there is an old Chinese expression … " House finished …… man die".
"If you work at Starbucks you don't want to go home and make coffee" I love that line...
"I have one of those things...called a wife"
RIP
She didn't make you upgrade your switch to Decora switches?
In the past I have done a lot of finished carpentry, or at least I thought I did but in the several videos that I saw, I have learned so much. About 45% I knew already, but all the little things that make the difference between a so/so job to an awesome job you definitely have that talent. Keep up the great work. Tim
Another great video. You are always very thorough in your explanation of the process you are undertaking.
Excellent tutorial for someone like me who is clueless. I really appreciate your walking us through this.
This is the best carpenter channel on UA-cam. This guy could have a show.
Wow, you just saved me so much time and work. I have been replacing all of my outlets/switches in my house and have been delaying doing the ones where the new trim is going on for this reason. I had no idea that these remodeling boxes existed. Thanks!
LOL Have you never taken a stroll thru Lowes or Home Depot electrical dept????? These have been available for DECADES.
Man I love watching your videos. Very informative and you have a cool attitude. Like many before me, amen to your comment about coming home after work. Keep doing your thing bro. God Bless!
It’s like a mailman taking a walk on his day off.
Had to laugh when you mentioned your wife. My honey do list has been going on for 37 years and 4 houses. It never ever ends. Lol, regards, Bill
hahahah I bet. i'm only just getting started and i've seen what you mean.
The same goes for me. But I love to do all her little project that she asks me to do, especially since I have retired. It keeps me out of the house and keeps her happy. Happy wife, happy me.
Love knocking that list off as well, it usually ends up with an addition to my tool collection. 👊🏻
Happy wife Happy life !
The Honey Do lists are endless for sure...and my friends wives too lol
Absolutely perfect video without the fluff.....well done and to the point. Love it!!
I really like how you explain in detail what your doing and how your doing it...👍
Thank you for such an informative video. Keep up the good work. I love trim work and I add trim work to my home in Frisco. I learned a lot from your videos.
Thanks for another important video Rich; Glad you're having a good year so far bro.
Amen to that brother "by the end of the week i dont want too touch another tool " spoken by all true carpenters lol
Or mechanic.
Luke Tein spoken like a true gay that's a fanatic of the cock
Thanks so much for your easy to follow instructions, step by step for us newbies!!! Great teaching! 😉🤗👏👏👍
I’m a retired electrician, had to move lots of receps and switches. Most of my work was industrial construction but I did a few residential jobs over 40+ years. Nice video and you sound like a nice young man.
Kenneth Bailey did you run rigid in your house?
i appreciate how detailed you are in the steps.
Good video. If I hadn't seen this video, I would have probably just tried to move the box to the next stud over. I hadn't seen a box that attached to the drywall. I thought all electrical boxes were attached to a stud. I learn something every day. Thanks for the education. Enjoyed it.
You did a GREAT JOB on explaining your project.
Thanks for the video! Just was attempting to install some smart thermostats in my new home and the new thermostats are a bit wider than the ones they're replacing. I knew this but once I got to the bathroom I noticed the gang box was close to a door. Literally right next to the door trim. So I'm going to have to move my box over about a ¼". Glad these gang boxes are available. Hopefully I don't make a mess of things.
One last tip is if you don't have enough wire you may be able to move the box up or down depending on the wire lengths and directions to give you more slack
He's cool and has a good sense of humor. And an excellent trim carp.
One of those things called a wife, who wants me to do stuff 😂😂 I feel your pain
You got a new subscriber because I really love the pace that you explain things
Your videos are super informative, thank you for making them.
That was funny.
You said “ I have one of those things called wife”
😂🤣
Great video. Good work as always
New subscriber here. I love these videos, to the point, and very easy to understand.
Ahh loving the tool list in the description
Great video... excellent descriptions and step by step instructions..
So happy I found your video! I can't believe I actually did it :) Thank you so much.
That's some intense casing! Looks awesome.
Enjoying your films. Keep up the good work!
dfw crown what you said is absolutely true. I get in at the end of the week and I can't face picking up my brushes and touching up or repainting. I'd rather pull in decorators I've met on the job and have them in to do it.
From an electrician's standpoint, it's good practice to confirm the wires have been de-energized after opening the breaker(s) feeding the circuit you are going to come in contact with. Pocket tic tracers are relatively cheap, and you can simply touch them to each wire. If one is still hot, the tic tracer will give an audible tone and many have a red light that also illuminates. An added safety measure would be to confirm the tic tracer is working properly by testing it on a known energized source both before and after checking the circuit you intend to work dead (commonly referred to as "hot, dead, hot" testing in the electrical industry). It's something those of us in high voltage are trained to take very seriously, which is probably why I'm sensitive to not seeing it done. That said, 120v circuits kill more people than any other voltage.
Edit: In no way am I "talking down" or criticizing Richard. My comment was more for the general audience of his channel than directly towards him. He's clearly done this before and is confident in his ability to perform it safely.
Aggie87 ....That is what your mom is for.
ObeyTheLaw she was busy lezzing out and getting herpes from your shemale pops.
Thanks for the tip. Seems like good practice.
What about when you don't have the slack wire from the old box to move to the new location? Would you need to run romex to the desired spot of the new outlet? This is the situation I find myself in.
Lol "Herrero cuchillo de palo"
Nice work. I love your channel.
I like all your vids... always learning something new
Good stuff brotha keep cranking out content like this and I'll keep watching
great video. I have done the same job as a "honey do" many times. and I enjoyed seeing someone else do it!
Thanks for the video. This is exactly what I asked for in a previous video. I have had trouble finding a video doing this on UA-cam.
Yes i remember. Thanks for the idea.
Hints from a master electrician:
Box fill needs to be a consideration (cubic inches are marked on the remodel box and there is a count based on national electric code for each conductor based on size of conductor for how big your box needs to be. For example each 12 AWG conductor needs 2.25 cubic inches, the device counts as two conductors of largest size etc.)
Aluminum conductors cannot be attached to copper with wire nut.
Switch wiring can be the most complex wiring in your house so if you mix the wires around it can take hours to trace down what the function of those wires were. (For example white wires aren’t always used as neutrals in switch boxes.)
So my advice is called a licensed electrician so you don’t burn your house down or cause injury or death to personnel or damage equipment.
The National Electric Code is in fact written by the National Fire Protection Agency. Your life and belongings are worth more than whatever a licensed electrician charges.
In my opinion the video should have been like this: How to move an electrical out, call a friend and ask for a referral on an electrical contractor they have used and trust. If you don’t have friends that use electrical contractors, find new friends. 😁
Sure you can simply search online but a personal referral will usually get you the guy who is honest reasonably priced and does good work.
1:30 this is the soul reason why i liked and subscribed to your channel. I am like 1:30 into your channel.
I got one of those thing called " the wife" who also wants me to do stuff...you're awesome bro.
Always appreciate your time and value your taking time to make your videos - thanks.
Sorry about the 'wife' thing.... we all have that never ending 'honey to do ' list.
My personal preference would be to plug the old hole before installing the casing. Thanks for the good instructional video.
Thank you for a simple but very helpful explanation.
Thanks for that video man. I need to move the one in the restroom as the new vanity gets in the way
"I have one of those things called a wife that wants me to do stuff" LOL.
Bryan Gatewood popppoppoopppppppppp
I have one who *doesn't* want me to do stuff.
Hilarious
I think we all have one of those in our houses lol. But if you ask them it’s just a simple move you should be able to get it done in a few minutes. A few minutes turns into a few hours and then they say I did not realize it was that big of a deal lol.
@@LDReptiles Yes, you are right. Like it's said, "No job is impossible for the person who doesn't have to do it".
Cable is usually stapled pretty close to the box, which can make this kind of box relocation hard. If you have Romex (plastic sheathed NM cable), there are splice kits that are code-legal inside a wall cavity. The only problem is that they aren't approved for the old cable with the braided sheathing that you find in older homes like yours and mine. Then you have to put in a box with a blank cover to contain the splice if you want to be to code.
HA! "this is an old house, like from the 70's" man, I feel old! ;)
So old. 100 is old
Me too.
I enjoyed your video. It was very helpful. Thank you!
Yup, as soon as u said "wife", I subscribed right then. Love the video. Thank u for your help!
You have a gift for clarity.
Lol. 5 years into this new house still. Remod living, then dining. Now new kitchen. It never ends man.
Landlord's love people like you great video
One of those called a wife...lol. love it. Dig your work bro. You are sincere and talented. Keep at it.
His voice is so relaxing 😎
If you just wanted to rotate box 90 degrees so it's horizontal, what would you do? The stud would be in the way of those 2 clips clamping drywall. Would you have to move outlet ok her regardless?
Love your videos. I noticed that there isn't any insulation in the wall you were working on. Was that an exterior wall?
I have seen that quite a bit in older houses.
Anyway, thanks for all your videos 😃
Shalom
I really like your videos bud. Great tips!!!!
Crushed it man. Thanks for the video!
@ Negron remodeling, old work boxes don't require strapping. only code violation was the short wire . If you cut out a little more drywall and remove that old staple you'll get a lot more slack (probably). i would have been impressed if you cut the old switch into your trim. as a homeowner you dont have to worry about Nec.
Just a quick tip.
Snap off the Mickey ears of the switch or receptacle if you install them onto an old work box such as this.
Those ears will hold the finish plate out just slightly off the wall otherwise.
If you cut them off the device sits flush, and the plate will sit tight on the wall.
Was just going to add this tip as well. Enjoy your channel and videos as a electrician! Keep up the great work and awesome eye for details and quality for your customers!
Thanks for sharing and now I know what to expect on older home...
Thank you- just the video I was looking for 👍
I always carry a very small, but strong magnet attached to a tool box. It’s is an extremely cheap and effective stud finder.
Great Video Really Helped Me A lot.Apreciate It.
Thanks for the video. It answered my questions.
You can always extend the wires if need to. On an old house you can run into very old wire that may not tolerate being pulled without loosing their insulation, always check before you pull the wires into the new box if the insulation is brittle you can add extensions to them and pull new wires into new box. However check codes in your area to see if this is allowed, some places require you to have wiring replaced before you proceed to prevent fires 🔥, since the wires could have suffered in an area out of sight while you pulled the old box.
Visiting my electrician nephew, I fixed several lights in his house, because electricians don’t work on their own house either.
Great videos I have. Subscribed
Thanks for the video! I'm in the process of moving a switch box from a block wall to a newly constructed partition wall (garage/laundry). I may need more slack. Is there any problem extending the wires by add in a little wire and using a wire nut enclosed in conduit?
It is important to check that you have enough existing wire to get to the new location.Like he said.You can not hide a junction.Meaning if you add wire with wire nuts{junction}it has to be in a box with an accessible cover.Many a house has burned down because junctions were not contained in a box.
So what if the existing wire isn't long enough? Add a junction box at the original location to extend the wires?
EJ just no that all junction boxes need to be accessible to satisfy code. RC Codes
Boxes: Junction, outlet, and lighting
1.Unused openings in boxes and conduit bodies shall be closed. 2003 IRC E3806.4
2.All boxes shall be accessible. NEC 314.29
3.Boxes shall be installed at each conductor splice point, outlet, switch point, junction point, or pull point. NEC 314
4.Non-metallic boxes of rectangular shape (2 1/4 inch x 4 inches) can be used in both walls and ceilings. No clamps necessary if wire is fastened within 8 inches of the box. NEC 314.17
Always contact your local building authority for complete and up to date code information.
Wow thanks for the reply. I learned a lot. So if the existing wires in the wall are not long enough, what is the proper method to move the switch?
Inspectors can call out what they can't see...
Something tells me you had to put down the beer momma bought you before you typed this.
so if there is an outlet box on my wall covered by a plate...is it likely it is a junction box that they used to extend wires?
Another cool trick I learned on how to determine which side of a box the stud is on is to look at the angle of the 2 nails securing the box, they are on an angle (to make installation easier between studs) the side the stud is on will have the nails angle deeper in the box (so angled away from you) The side without the stud will have the nails closer to you! Also you can used a strong magnet to find your drywall fasiner line (it should be in the center of a stud. 😉
Some nice finessing there dude !!
When moving a box sideways in the same cavity. Mark the new location and cut the top and bottom lines all the way to the old location. Cut the side that is farthest away from the old location and carefully remove and save the drywall. After removing the old box and moving the wires over to the other end of the large rectangular hole, slide short strips of plywood inside wall to screw the drywall patch onto. Patch in the piece of drywall shifted over to fill old box location. This will automatically open up the new location. Put wires into the back of the remod box and insert into hole in wall.
That is pretty smart......
Considering the short distance the remodeling box was located I think the TC guy did a fine job. The new box being plastic looks a lot safer than the old metal box.
Bill Wilson
I agree TC did a great job. I feel silly missing the joke, I usually catch those. I love the idea of cutting out the drywall, but which is easier rewiring the new box or patching the drywall? If you had to keep the metal box he probably would just moved it to the next stud over and nailed through the right side. Can you put a junction in the old box location even if it's covered by the molding? God Bless you and your family TC. You did an excellent job in explaining everything.
@@rodw No, you can't put a junction box in the old location. All junction boxes are required to be accessible, so only a box cover will suffice. The trim covering the box is not legal -- it covers the junction box and does not use a metal cover. In case of a spark, the wood trim could catch fire.
Very nice! Keep up the good work!
Your videos are awesome! Thx!
Great video and thank you for no BS like other videos!
Thank you, young man..very helpful.
Nice! Now all you have to do is patch the hole, match the texture of the wall, and paint the entire wall and hope it matches the rest of the room. Simple :-)
Though I do have to give you credit - some idiots would notch out the trim molding around the existing outlet box rather than move it. Personally, I think I'd just find replacement molding that would fit the existing situation without having to do any of those changes.
At 1:30, I had to laugh out loud. I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels that way. I've worked on multi-million dollar custom homes and my wife also thinks our home should look like those, but at the end of the day or week we don't want to do more work like this. Remember this saying: A carpenters house is never finished and a plumbers house always leaks. E/w excellent work, your eye for detail and workmanship reminds me of the homes I use to work in.
Yeah he did well, cept for the code violations
Gotta love those honey-do's man. Hahaha! Good vid, and thanks.
Good video man I've been thinking about doing this in my house
Excellent well-done video!
great videos as always
Great Video, loved the joke about having one of those things, a wife Haha. It's like having one more customer at the end of every day only you won't get paid!
Wrong! You get paid in the bedroom wink wink(;
Super easy. Thanks for the explanation
I heard him say "finesse" twice but didn't see a hammer?
Technical percussive adjustment.
I never seen such an advanced stud finder in my life lol
I've got something similar to a wife. A girlfriend. She has this magical power that makes me pick up tools when I've finished work as well.
You are one skilled guy.
Awesome video bro
Good Morning dfw , I've been doing home renos here in Calgary Alberta , Canada for over 25 yrs now .
I've just started with you channel , I've watched 7 -8 videos , and find myself quite intrigued .
Trim/finish carpentry was something I always hoped I'd get into , ( on a full time basis ) but never really did . always seemed to be another bathroom or basement , to do .
Anyway , had You tube/internet existed 25 years ago , I think my work would have gone a lot differently .
Moving a box is always a pain in the ass , but its covering up the old hole that usually the worse part ...having to drywall,mud/tape , sand and paint . You got lucky , having such wide trim , for me , the new trim always seems to be a 1/2" narrow to cover old hole , and the wires usually the same :) .
Couple of questions , did you do any sort of schooling for what you do , or learned on the job ? Do you do everything on site , or do you have a shop of some sort ?
Re the painting , I see what paint you are using , but I'd like to know what kind of spray equipment you use , tip size etc .
Do you do much , or any natural wood trim , or do you stay with just paint grade ? ( maybe I'll answer my own question once I go back into more videos )
I was impressed with the 24 ft length of crown you did in one of the videos , but as I work by myself , that would never happen , perhaps one of the reasons I never got into it .
Anyway , keep them coming Bob