How To Fix Sunken Outlet | 2 Easy Options
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If you own an older home or possibly just did a backsplash project needing to fix a sunken outlet or light switch is a common job. This does not need to be complex but there are a few things to consider and tips I will show you to ensure you can get this fixed yourself giving a professional finished product.
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0:00 Intro
0:49 What Causes A Sunken Outlet
2:27 How To Install Spacers On An Outlet
6:30 How To Fix Drywall Damage Showing Past Wall Plate
7:33 When and Why To Use A Box Extender
8:41 How To Install A Box Extender
9:40 Finished Product
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I'm glad you explained why it's unsafe if you have a sunken box. Not just that it looks bad. Nice job
The entire video was new info to me and something I would have known about years ago.
1@@jhscamper
Every outlet has built in shims dummy, that's what the dumbo ears are... Bend them backwards
outstanding, informative video on upgrading/repairing sunken outlets
Most everything you covered in this video was new to me. The spacers, the box extender, the larger face plates, and how to deal with a poorly done outlet was all new to me. Thank you. It looked much better and safer when you finished.
Same here. That old video he showed is how pretty much every gang box in my house is currently done. I have wood paneling over plaster and the wood is exposed in damn near every box I've worked on so far. Looks like I'll be getting a few of those inserts. You all better invest while you can
Ditto.
Same here. Exactly the same comments, couldn't have worded it better.
Pretty much everything was new. I fell down the rabbit hole when I watched your ECX screwdriver video.
Same here, I have a few outlets that will be getting refitted with one of these methods.
Im a homeowner and appreciate your videos. Didnt know about spacers or inserts. Your videos allow average homeowners to learn what products are available that we wouldnt othewise know. So thank you.
I like your STYLE of presentation the most....but your content was also top notch!
The spacers and the insert is new to me and this exactly what I was searching for.
Me too, just to echo this exactly what I was looking for.
Dude, I've been in construction for forty-plus years, and even though I have used all of these parts and tools, I didn't know SO MUCH of this. Terrific. I really enjoy your channel. Teaching an old dog like me new tricks.
In fairness to you John, some of these tips or code related items did not exist 40 plus, hell, even 20 or so years ago. The main thing is you're willing to keep an open mind and seek out new ideas/tips ... allowing old dogs like you and I to learn new tricks. :D
ME TOO!!
This guy is horrible. Pull the outlet out, bend the ears back, set the outlet at the proper depth and put the plate on. I can’t stand this clown.
@@kitchenerleslie8936 Then first time you put a plug in the ears bend back. Yea, nope
Ruff ruff
At 73 I have wired, fixed, moved all kinds of these outlets. I have encountered all the issues shown in this video but just struggled to fix them by repairing drywall, replacing the whole box and so on. You introduced me to a number of approaches I was not aware of such as the spacers, box inset and also cutters that can cleanly cut screws. Great information, thank you.
Me too, but only 70 😉
Me too. I'm young. 67. Lol
Hah .. you guys are funny ... I feel like a youngun at 53 ;)
@@dalewright7908 You are!
I'll join the crowd, at 72, and learned old dogs can learn new tricks even after a lifetime of struggle. I've got a couple of outlets that will soon be fixed the correct way. Thanks. A very good video.
Very informative. I am 62 years old, and have done dozens of outlets over the years, and 90% of what you covered was new to me. Thank you!
Wow, I'm an electronic technician and have been a do-it-your-self electrician for years and I picked up the spacers to raise the outlet, the sleeve to protect the hot side and the larger plates to cover too large holes in the drywall. And I've probably run across an outlet in wood like you showed and now I know how to do it by code. Thanks - amazing stuff you are showing us! Thanks. Keep it up.
All instructional videos should be like this. To the point, only useful info, good angles and lighting, clear audio, and added bonus of indexed sections. You've gained a subscriber. Thanks!
Came here to say the same thing. Very well produced video!
@@HawksDiesel Me too. Good stuff
Ditto
But it's a 2 minute video that takes 10 minutes🙄
It a lot longer than it needed to be for such a self explanatory aspect.
Have watched a few of your vids so far and one thing stands to me is your readiness to say you were corrected on something or told you left something out. I appreciate your honesty and it gives me great confidence you are putting out quality and accurate tips and guidance. You do it in a very clear way. Keep up the great work!!
Amen brother
I Agree 👍🏽
We dont fix sunken outlet, we burn the house and move somewhere else
"your readiness to say you were corrected"
Right You Are Ed; many are too 'small' to admit they do NOT know something - John 3:16
The use of the box insert was new information to me. I sincerely appreciate your very informative channel. Thanks also for shedding light on what you’ve learned over the years.
Fine points of safety and how to deal with "old house issues". Thanks
I learned how to deal with poorly cut drywall. I find from my own house that the previous owner cared about nothing, and constantly finding these tricky situations keep popping up. I'm not a super handyman so I watch videos like yourself because you don't go over perfect world scenarios where everything is easy to replace, but the tricky situations that come from bad care or neglect of a house. Thank you once again...you've helped me fix many issues.
Sunken plugs are mostly incorrectly installed boxes.
Agreed. I am in the same situation.
@@danlux4954 most of the problems are caused by sheetrocker
@@K31swiss at work it’s boxes into concrete block that weren’t anchored properly.
@@K31swiss I've seen problems with guy who did the studs who didn't get them all in a straight line - so the sheet-rocker didn't fix the sheetrock to the stud in the middle of the sheet because that would result in an uneven wall - and that meant that the outlets never could line up.
I appreciate learning about the spacers, the inserts, aa well as the sizing of the screws. And I had not noticed the screw cutting capability of the wire stripper tool. High scores!
The spacers or "catapillers" as called in the trade are equally as professional. The beauty is you only have to loosen the outlet to install. Raco now makes a three sided metal plate for such applications as well.
@@rickwallace1243 the metal plates are hard to find in Canada. Took me 2 months to order 300 of them.
Soon we’ll be able to put in our own cardiac stents and cut out the insurance middle man. Amazing, UA-cam.
I wish I could find some "cutters" that handle small metric screws. I change a lot of cabinet handles and a lot of the hardware from offshore is metric, and I need to take a bit off the screws, ideally without rolling a thread which would cause it to be hard to screw into the handle.
@@VC-Toronto Amazon had some, currently not available though. Must be more places to get some.
A lot of ‘Value’ here Scott. Your videos have probably helped more people than You Could ever imagine!
Great for us DIYers who aren’t Lic Electrician. The new box and insert you showed were totally new to me and I have a project that I can use both of them on. Thanks so much
I love your videos. You are one of the few youtube creators who carefully plans out what you are going to say; so you don't hem and haw and improvise and repeat yourself over and over. There is no "filler and fluff" in your script. It is all straight and to the point, not to mention abundantly clear, and I really really appreciate that. You plan out each of your shots, and apparently you use good video equipment. Love it. And your content is perfect for DIYers. Videos done by pros, as good as they are, often leave out important details that the DIYer might not know. Videos done by most DIYers, on the other hand, often leave out important details that the creators simply do not know because they are DIYers. Your videos are in that "sweet spot" where you include many important details that the pro knows and the DIYer would be well advised to adhere to. In this video, I learned about the spacers, inserts, oversized wall plates, and the code violtion of too much exposed sheetrock was news to me. I love these added details. Finally, I WANT THAT SCREWDRIVER! Headed to your store now... :-)
Agreed. I am the building maintenance technician for a company and I was given the task of fixing some of the outlets. I had NO CLUE how until I came across this. This video is going to save our company tons of money by not having to hire it out to a subcontractor. It's like they were listening to our conversation in the meeting...and probably were. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS!!
I'm always listening. It's only because I want what's best for you Scott. Much love, Siri
@@davet766 Google is a much better listener.
@@scooter812 Alexa will happily eavesdrop but rarely has the right answer.
Just keep in mind that, for most states, it is illegal for anyone without an electrician's license (or working under the direct supervision of a licensed electrician) to work on electrical wiring. The exception is that some (most?) states allow a homeowner to work on the wiring in his/her own residence.
Being a non-electrician here, I appreciate this particular video's details as it will precisely fix a similar issue I have in my basement. It had been an eyesore of mine for quite some time. Grateful for what I consider a perfect explanation.
After the drywall install in my new studio space, I was at a loss to know how to fix the sunken outlets until your video. So happy to learn this is not an unusual situation and there are products available to easily solve the problem. Now I’m going to tackle other similar outlet issues in the rest of my old 1918 Bungalow. 😊
I’ve done a fair amount of home repair as a pure amateur and haven’t ever seen any of of the products you used. Thanks for the education.
You bet and thanks for the feedback.
Thanks for the new (to me) info about the spacers. I have “flipped 10 houses in my life, and always aligned electric boxes to the wall by cutting the old nails inside the box, and/or pulling out the nails sideways using a vise grip and hammer, then reposition the box to the stud with a screw. Then I would fill the surrounding of the box with drywall compound (mud). I also (rarely) used the oversized cover. This trick here is way more convenient because you don’t need to repaint. 😀
I also want to share one of the mysteries of my life. While visiting my old parents (in my twenties), I stayed overnight and I was sleeping in my old bedroom. Then right in the middle of the night, I just opened my eyes. (I didn’t hear or see anything to warn me to wake up and open my eyes!). Then I saw a flame on the wall about 4 feet away from me, that was about the size of a candle flame, licking the wall just above that outlet. I was stunned to see that happening, and to this day (I am now 69 years old), I still don’t know why I woke up to such a small and silent little flame, and most of all WHY did the outlet ignite? Of course, I threw a glassful of water on it and then turned off the breaker. In the morning, I cleaned the box which was full of sawdust and lots of dust, and bought a new outlet, skinned the wires and properly tightened the screws to prevent arcing. The walls were made of 1/8” Masonite, which was highly combustible, contrary to drywall.
I can’t imagine that if this had happened without me there, my old parents would have perished in their house.
Thanks for listening! 🔥
Sawdust, dust and loose wire connections…. Prime materials for a fire… and the finer the sawdust, the easier to ignite.
Thirty-three years on Fire/EMS/Rescue, I saw a lot of this.
BTW, you probably heard the arcing or sizzling of the wires.. or you may have seen the flickering of the flame.
Our senses get sharper at night, an old survival trait courtesy of “survival of the fittest”.
When I was in my late teens, i would hang my watch from the footboard, and noticed I could hear it ticking after about fifteen minutes of laying in bed in the dark. Fascinating.
God said it was not their time, and woke you.
@@grizz1108 God should just have gotten rid of the sawdust and eliminated the middleman.
@@BrBill But then there would have been no story to tell. ; )
I've vacuumed out my share of outlets boxes. I hate having all that crap in the box. It's usually drywall dust but still.
Man I just watched this without any particular need to do this task, but I appreciate the video format so much. Minimal cuts when actually completing the task, fast forwarding through the mundane repetitive aspect(simple screw rotation), and no or little repetition of information made this extremely info dense and useful to copy and complete your task with confidence. A lot of other videos feel like they're trying to pad the length and then cut the video of the part I'd most like to watch them do.
The insert fix was new to me. I am an electrical engineer and had never seen it explained before. Thanks!
This was super educational to me! I've changed out many an outlet over the years. Seems that they're constantly making a better mousetrap! Thanks so much for your time and dedication. To me, this is what UA-cam is all about.
Much appreciation for your thoroughness and dedication my friend!
I learned that there are spacers to bring outlets forward and I also learned that there are inserts to increase safety if bringing an outlet out further. Basically, everything in this video was news to me. Thanks!
I'm doing repairs at home and your step by step instructions are perfect. I especially like that you explain things in detail, thank you.
Thanks for the good demonstration.
What was new to me was the insert box. I have seen them before but didn't know what purpose they serve. But that makes a lot of sense to me to shield it from any combustible materials.
I also didn't know that those spacers are available. One time I made some little wooden pieces for spacers which was probably not a good idea.
I work in a facility that builds storage buildings, workshops and cabins. Sometimes I do the wiring.
I appreciate your helpful videos. Keep up the good work. 👍
I knew about the spacers to fix a problem like this but did not know there was an easy insert available to encapsulate the outlet inside the wall. Thank you for sharing information like this. I love learning new things especially when they help to keep me safe.
I knew about the spacers but didn’t know about the inserts. Every time I watch one of your videos: I learn. Thank you for your series. As a homeowner it has made me very comfortable with projects that I otherwise would NOT have tackled.
Thank you so much ! I'm a widow who just had some new sheet rock out up and some of my outlets are recessed. So I knew nothing on how to fix this and now I think I can do it on my own. Much appreciation.
What Was new to me was everything in the video. I knew nothing about spacers, inserts, larger plate covers, and especially the fire risk. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
I have struggled with this dilemma so often when tiling backsplashes on kitchen remodels and I have never seen these products when shopping at the big box stores! Now I know, and will search again for them or go to Amazon and stock up! Thanks for a articulate and well shown example!
Just watched a few of your videos and although I've become very experienced in renovating my c1900 two-family home, the products you detailed changed the game for a few problem areas in house/walls that I haven't completely gutted / taken to the studs. The spacers and box extenders...literally things I was always thinking someone should make but for whatever reason didn't think to look up! Thank you for the detailed information and links to products! So helpful and time saving!!!!!
Awesome info. I have a 1869 home, re-wired in the 1970's (from knob and tube), Complete mess. All two wire, no grounds, sunken, crooked metal boxes, etc. This info is a life saver. Thanks.
I've done a zillion outlet fixes and replacements over the years and your video is excellent for somebody with little or no experience. I am always amazed at the lack of attention to large details when cutting drywall for the outlet boxes, as you pointed out. Well done!
I appreciate the feedback 👍
Everything you covered in this video was new to me. The spacers, the box extender, the larger face plates, and how to deal with a poorly done outlet was all new to me. Thank you. It looked much better and safer when you finished. I'm also going to pick up an outlet tester. Thank you
Great information for cleaning up incompetence of an "Has no honor" contractor! I found several outlets cover cracking and wondered why! Also purchasing larger covers to compensate imperfect hole that was made! Contractor probably hoped he wouldn't be caught! Thanks to your video, this 78 soon to be 79 years old lady in March 2022 is blessed to correct the inferior crastmanship!
Good job!
Happy birthday month Claudette
Great tips. I bungled a drywall/new outlet install 20 years ago in my garage and have been avoiding using one box with a sunken outlet since then because I didn’t know what to do about it. Three tips here are golden. 1. Spacers. 2. Oversized covers. 3. Inside box.
I may use all three for this repair but what a relief to be not cringing every time I look at that old outlet! Can’t wait to go to the hardware store. Thank you!
Everything you showed was new to me. I've been a RIVer for over 30 years and I do appreciate the new forms of technical appliances like the insert box used the guard against not leads from potential combustibles. Thank you for being on UA-cam. So that you'll be aware, I'm 70 years of age. Take care and stay safe!
I learned how to use those spacers. I have a couple of sunken outlets in my house and already bought the same exact spacers. You spared me the need to look up how to use them. I have replaced a bunch of outlets, lights and switches in my house, but these two old outlets have remained an eyesore. I would have eventually figured it out, buy you certainly helped speed it up. Thanks!
As a painter I like to replace outlets and switches when needed to give the room a newer feel. Especially when there is white trim and beige outlets. I knew all these tips but I usually use the rectangle extenders. I also level the outlet with a small 6” level cause crooked outlets look horrible imo
Sure I do too. I like the decore plugs and switches as well as the face plates.
All that work to prep and paint, changing the outlets makes a huge difference and simple to do.
What do you mean by "rectangle extender". Do you have a link. Could be handy.
@@jmcbri I think he means the red rectangles that are shown throughout this video.
Bless you. When I see old outlets with coats of paint over them and I have to take a walk. I'm a DIYer, and maybe it's OCD, but the professional look of leveled plates that look right with paint, it makes a difference.
I'm a DIYer and I just learned about the caterpillar spacers and oversized plates. I'm glad I watched this video because I learned learned specifics on using them and also something new, inserts. I like how easy and useful the inserts are. Going to buy some now. Thanks!
I am in the process of changing out every receptacle in my home because it's all original builder grade and loose, I've learned everything from you and have come across the need for spacers and now the extender box. As a 54- year old now learning to DIY in order to save money, I appreciate all of your videos. Thank you!
Thank you for this video. I am upgrading a very old unit and you discussed problems I noticed in the unit related to sunken outlets, exposed drywall on side of outlet and very poor drywall cutouts needing larger plates. You saved me calling an electrician to fix depth issues and saved me money that I can use for other fixes in the unit.
Your videos are great! Both of those tricks are very helpful and I’m actually heading to the hardware store after I finish chiming in on this video. I’ve been a professional Auto Mechanic for 47 years and an avid DIYer fixit guy so I love getting all these professional tips.
I've used the box extenders before (20+ years ago), but until now, never heard of the spacers. I have an outlet that has the same issue but will be using the spacers instead as it's not too badly sunk in from putting in a new backsplash.
The video itself was very well done. Short, sweet and to the point. Good angles, lighting and thank you very much for not having special effects or a music backdrop as those can be quite distracting. Well done and this video is very helpful.
That insert was perfect, just fixed 2 outlets after updating backsplash in laundry room... thank you for the video.
This was super useful. I've got a springy, sunken outlet in a wall with thin wood paneling over drywall, and some stripped screwholes. This video is making the situation more digestible: I've got the basic skills to replace the parts, but knowing more about the safety issues and which additional pieces I should consider using is fantastic.
The serious problem with "springy" outlets is that someone just left the screws loose to get the outlet close to the front plates. Bit this is dangerous because the wires behind the outlet are being bent and unbent every time you plug something in or unplug it. Eventually, a wire will fracture. If you're lucky, the outlet just stops working - but if you're unlucky it can arc, melt the insulation and cause a fire. So go buy some of those red spacers!
All new information in a short, compact format. Learned a ton! I do light electrical work around my house, even as far as reading the NEC 80 book to learn code for installing a 240V run for an electric car charger! But I hadn't considered code compliance for wall outlets. I definitely learned about WAGO connectors here and love them, and knowing #6-32 screws are the standard for plugs is super helpful too.
I am just a DIY'er... but have been faced with situations like this in the past, several times. I did not know about the insert and the spacers that you used. These would have come in real handy for in the past... thank you for this!
Excellent timed video. I am redoing some outlets and had no idea the “fix” for sunken outlets was so simple.
I’ve been doing electrical for almost 25 years now and mostly I do oil pipeline and storage but I remember starting out in resi and commercial and I love all the great reminders on the wall inserts and spacers. I still do diy stuff on my own home and love a job that is done perfectly. Great job and very interesting content
yup .....I want it to look pretty and work.
It was _all_ new to me. Up until now I always thought correcting these kinds of problems would always require re-mounting the box somehow. Sloppily mounted boxes and drywall cuts have been facts of life in a few houses I've lived in, especially (but not exclusively) where previous generations of homeowners did extensive work themselves. Thanks much!
This is the first time I watched your video I found it very informative. Small plastic extenders to bring the outlet out a little further to make a flush or something I've never seen before. I like the way you explain things and give many options to a single problem
Thank you for all the detail and explanation. This is a new area for me to step into. I have several outlets at our cabin that need to be fixed. Why I should fix them - it's not just because they look sloppy- it's a safety reason. Now I understand when to use spacers or a box or both. And the larger-sized plates are great to know about! Many times people say "use spaces to fix this problem" but don't share why or which situation to use them in. Again thank you. It is much simpler than I thought it was going to be and I will be able to tackle it now!!
Great video. I knew most of it,but as a DIYer that doesn't do this type of stuff all the time,a refresher course like this is never a bad idea. Glad I stumbled across your video series.
Agree completely. The use of the insert was definitely a keeper!
This video was outstanding and gave me tips that I needed to know several years ago when we moved into our house. I was surprised to see that you used the 2 and 3 wire connector clips that I used in the house, I learned about them from a Home Depot guy working the electrical isle. I think they are great and save some time. I have some situations in my own home where I need to add outlet boxes as well as switches. Thanks for all the tips!
Everything was new to me. I just had a bathroom remodel and your video will help make it look better that I want. My switch and outlets need this fix!
Riser tabs, outlet inserts and larger outlet covers! That's what I learned today from your video. Now I'm off to Home Depot to buy all products and double check ALL my outlets. You are da Man!! Mahalo
I had 23 units in building that were built in the very early 1900's - I always put electrical tap around the receptical before I replaced them into the box. Never had a short or issue with a fixed receptical - had the units for over 20 years. I enjoy your easy to follow, through video!
Just to add to this, make sure you only use tape with a non-corrosive adhesive. Brand names like 3M are fine, but, some of the cheaper off-brand tapes can have sulphur, and other materials in them that often leave a tar like residue. That could lead to corrosion, and ultimately a fire or heat damage to the outlet.
Also, never handle energized outlets even if they are wrapped up, the tape is easily pierced or cut, and could still result in electrocution. There are specific covers and protectors made to allow for exposed outlets to be safely energized temporarily, for example while painting, or refinishing a wall. That said it's always safest to just turn it off and bring power in from another circuit if possible.
I didn't know about the box extender and the spacers. About 10 years ago, I drywalled a room in my very old house that was originally paneled so the outlet boxes were at least a quarter of an inch too shallow but were nailed in -so really not easy to take out and reposition. I used spacers but I used plumbing washers (what you would use in a faucet) and it worked very well. It's nice to know there is a better product now available. Thanks for the info.
I’ve been a homeowner diyer since 1974. For me it was all easy. Take out the old, put in the new. However, with all the tips you include, it make the end product more professional looking and the safety tips are huge!
Keep up the good work!!
Thanks for all your videos. The insert and the reason for the insert is something I'd not thought about before. And I had used spacers before. When you strip #10 wire, the insulation tube works well for spacing.
I re-did my kitchen walls in "tumbled travertine" stone, but didn't account for the 1/4 inch that it added (5/8" with the backer board) - so I've been looking around for how to bring the sockets out. This video explained it perfectly. Thanks for putting this together with thoughtful remarks about safety and code compliance. This really helps.
they don't call you Brain Dead for nothing!
This was a great video for me. I used to loosen the top and bottom screws enough on the outlet and then pull the outlet towards the faceplate using the center screw to make it flush. You had to be careful when plugging things into the outlet so you wouldn't snap the faceplate. Worked good for outlets that didn't get a lot of use. Done with that.
Always thought it looked more sunken as each layer paint was added.
You elegantly installed the box extender ("encapsulator") without disconnecting the wires from the outlet - you showed me how to save some time. Well done!
I like that wall plate insert idea! Thanks for all of the tips, I have several pretty bad sunken in outlets that drive me crazy, no more.👍🏻
I’ve used the spacers before and thought they were awkward. I had the same problem recently after installing some shiplap, which caused my outlet to do this. I decided to browse around Home Depot for a better solution, in which I discovered the 3/8” PEX toilet supply lines. For under $2 I was able to cut them to the exact thickness of my shiplap and get it flush again. It supported the outlet well and it was super easy to use. It took a little more time to cut them, but I was happier with the result.
Great video. You are always giving a clear explanation !
Extremely helpful. Loved learning about all terminology and how to use those tools you mentioned. Really thorough and would love to learn more about handiwork for the home from you! Thank you!
I knew about the spacers but only as a complete "wrap-around" extension of the box (as I have had to use them on a job where I expected to use thinner drywall than I ultimately ended up using). The idea that spacers could be basically "washers" was new, as was the concept of the insert box. Thank you, I have some new ways to fix things.
Great info. I never considered buying longer machine screws to replace receptacle screws that were too short. I also didn't know about the spacers. I've always used a sliver of wooden lath as a spacer, because that's what I've been most likely to have handy. Of course with your explanation about the box extenders, I now realize that my old method is just asking for a code inspector to slam me (or worse). Thanks for doing this video!
could u use metal washers
I've made my own spacers before from stuff I had around. Nice to see that they actually sell them. The insert looked like a good idea. One thing I had hoped you'd have a tip for, is when the box and drywall aren't lining up evenly. IE the outlet sticks out more on the right or left. Spacer on one side would work, but figured there might be a more elegant option.
I look forward to his reply. I've simply bent the socket's tabs slightly or spaced under the low side of the tab.
If the box sticks out, grind it back is the quickest
All of this was new to me. We do have a few outlets in our house that have this going on, and now I know how to rectify the situation the right way, without having to pay someone do do it. Thank you!
For me also, this was all new info and badly needed, as I started out while doing a house rehab about 10 years ago not knowing how to properly install the boxes to the studs, so pretty much the whole house needs these. Thanks for a lot of great information.
Good stuff. So much easier than trying to figure this out while standing in the aisles of Home Depot. I'm a carpenter by trade but probably half my jobs involved some wire or outlet changes, hence this is really helpful.
I have never seen the spacers before, but I would prefer the insert as it appears to be a more professional solution and it is easy to install as well. Thank you for the video.
He had to use the spacers, the box extension alone would not solve the sunken box problem.
@ Harold E. A few heavy washers, small enough to fit the situation, a piece of hard wood cut to size and drilled, a piece of aluminum plate easy to cut with a hacksaw and drill for the 6/32 screw will also do the job.
I learned a lot. I am replacing all of the receptacles and light switches in this old house. This was a fantastic help. Many times, they won't set right, and I used slivers of wood I took from Shimes. I will be redoing them correctly. Wall inserts also is something I had no knowledge of. The use of a larger wall plate also is very helpful. Thank you very much.
Very helpful: dealing with sunken outlets, safely. Excellent pacing, visuals, and speech clarity.
Very interesting and everything you covered was new to me . I ran into a situation where I removed the old 50s tiling in my bathroom which was covered halfway up the wall. When I replaced the area with drywall, there was a 1/4 inch difference between the new drywall and the plaster wall which resulted in me putting wood between the screws and light switch to get it out enough. After watching your video, I realize that I need to get the right materials to do it correctly and to code. Thanks for the great information. Never knew about the screw cutting capability. I would have gotten out the hacksaw!
There is one additional option that you didn't mention. Instead of the small rubber spacers, they also sell outlet box extenders. Basically they are a rectangular open "faceplate" that fits between the box and where the actual outlet screws onto the box. I am pretty sure the come in 1/4", 1/2" and 3/4". I have used these b4 and they work very nicely. Again you probably will need to but longer mounting screws
This video was very educational, I was not aware of the extender or spacers. In addition, you have done a terrific job in explaining methods to be utilize in correcting these outlet problems. Keep up the great work.
I'm glad you covered about using the box extender with paneling. We are paneling a bedroom and the outlets are going to be recessed, that was the reason I watched today.
I'm a journeyman electrician and yeah, pretty much on point. When I run across this stuff at work and don't have spacers, I typically have scrap items like washers I can use instead. BUT I know for a DIYer, you're not going to have all the extra parts and materials that I have collected off of various jobsites and projects, and spacers are nicer to use. Also, yeah, you need those plastic sleeves with wood ALWAYS, and our company generally put them on tiled walls too. They can be a pain to install if both wires are on the outlet, but the bending method usually works there too IF you have enough wire to play with. Older houses (for some reason) barely give you enough to work with, so you usually end up uninstalling everything to get it to work. Sometimes you have to add jumpers. Anyway, at this point I'm rambling.
Good video but could be great! One very important safety step you forgot! Before using your tester to show power is "OFF", you should show that the tester actually works by plugging it into a source of power, thus it shows your audience that the power lights on tester comes "ON".
Great Channel, I changed out some old outlets in my basement recently. Builder had the boxes set in the wall to far back and the old outlets screwed in with long drywall screws. After watching this video i ordered the box extenders. PERFECT solution for the issue. They came with long screws and installed quickly. Thanks for the tip, glad I subscribed to your channel.. Great Work...
The things you put up here have made you the new Bob Vila. Excellent advice and demonstration for projects that I’m working on but can’t put my finger on that specific product. Pop on your video and BAM, you’ve got exactly what I was looking for. Great work. Great video.
I never knew about inserts. In the past I've had to actually disconnect the wiring and replace the enclosure to the correct depth before rewiring the outlet. A handy tip ...
Yep, how many countless times have I been in the electrical aisles of HD/Lowes and never noticed the inserts? I'll search for them next time!
The box extender was new to me. Not sure when those came on the market but my dad who was an electrician turned electrical engineer would use multiple wraps of electrical tape wrapped around the terminals to insulate them from touching anything such as the paneling. Of course, that was many years ago.
We still put a wrap or two to insure metal never touches the terminal.
I wasn't aware of the insert box or the spacers being available to remedy this very common problem with electric outlets in residential homes. Glad I found your video.
Just as I was thinking we would have to disconnect the wires, you showed how to tip the outlet and feed it through the box...perfect!
Nicely done. Common problem. One thing I'd suggest is that when you have that outlet in your hands, take a good look at the wire terminations, checking especially for nicks in the wires where they were stripped. And I might even replace any outlet that is old and especially if it has push-in terminals (not secured by screws). I replaced all the duplex outlets in my house when I discovered that the original owner, who also built the house, had used #12 wire with push-in terminals, before this became a code violation. I didn't want *any* of that in my house. I wasn't familiar with the supersize outlet covers--they look a bit cartoonish, but form follows function!
I have replaced numerous outlets with #12 wire in the push-in terminals, where the heat from the poor connection had caused the outlet to become charred to the point it just fell apart when I handled it, and the insulation on the wires was damaged. I can’t believe this was once considered acceptable practice!
@@ethanlamoureux5306 … it was once considered an ‘acceptable practice’ because the problem with the mechanical/physical situation wasn’t well-understood…. Similar to the ‘copper/aluminum’ wire & connectors debacle.
A person doesn’t know everything, and neither does mankind, we are constantly learning.
Most all ICC/NEC electrical codes were ‘written in blood’.
@Rus Healy … HAVING push-in terminals is not bad… USING them IS bad.
BTW, these push-in/backstab terminals should not be confused with the far safer and preferred terminals commonly called back-wire.
These have a small ‘back-plate’ behind the screw, which affords far greater grip strength and area, and are totally code acceptable.
In fact, they are far preferable to wrapping the wire around the screw.
The wire is stripped to the proper length and inserted into the channel in the back-plate. No twisting into a loop, and no chance the wire gets squished out of the channel.
@@ernestgalvan9037 Of course, but once I had them apart, I wasn't going to put old outlets back in the boxes since new ones are so inexpensive.
@@radiok2ua …well, I never said, or implied, that you should re-use them, OBVIOUSLY if they are charred or damaged in ay way they should be tipped.
Me, I never buy or use the cheap ones… ‘spec’ grade is minimum. High current, isolated-ground Hospital grade for critical stuff like my computer equipment (I used eight total; four in the cable room, remaining four for computers)
My kitchen and bathrooms are all 20A wired & outlets. Kitchens have microwaves, toasters, air-fryers, etc, and bathrooms have dryers and space heaters. Inexpensive insurance.
I did not know spacers like these were available. I have used 2 or 3 #8 nuts as spacers to extend an outlet slightly. The plastic spacers would be easier and more effective.
1 nut works well
Just cut tan wire nuts down to whatever size you need for spacers.
@@shanetaylor7581 the fiber washers from ceiling fan blades work great too. Ive chopped off the tabs off old outlets,switches and sandwiched them between fiber washers
All your videos are informative, and this one was especially valuable for me as an older woman doing as many simple repairs as possible myself. Thank you and keep the videos coming.
You bet, happy to help and thank you for the kind words
Great tips! Never knew those items existed for fixing sunken outlets. Have one in my kitchen that needs fixing because the previous owner put a tile backsplash on and did not adjust the sunken outlet.
The stacking spacers were new to me and also the code allowed exposure if the box is not mounted flush to the surface. I have purchased an older home which needed a lot of remodeling and being brought up to code so I had a contractor do most of the remodeling (my marriage is still intact). I now have the occasional repair or expansion projects that need to be completed and I generally feel comfortable doing that work. Good job on the explanation and videography, it is much cleaner and understandable that a lot of what is produced.
Very informative. Thanks! Just a general remark: The neutral and the "hot" wire have the same chance of catching fire. Undesired heating results from "current" and not "voltage", so it doesn't matter if you have a bad connection on the neutral or the hot wire.
Yes but only the 'hot' runs a high risk of arcing to ground which is what the issue is with exposed materials around the box. I believe that's why he said "especially the hot".
The negative has less than 50v coming back and the remaining current not consumed or the remainder of an unbalanced load which would be well under 5 amps. The negative will never catch fire as you think. Even if the negative touches metal. And yes you can get a negative bite from the return of an unbalanced load.
And before you say anything. These words are from my electrician instructor who BTW wrote majority of the electric code for the NEC and Chicago code.
In Chicago no one has actually died of an electric fire from a wire in the wall. The electric fires in the city of Chicago are from too many cords plugged in the same outlet using a triple tap/plug or using extension cord with an electric heater or they would use a penny in the old screw in fuses.
And if the wires did overheat and someone let the smoke out of the wire it never goes anywhere since in Chicago we use EMT which keeps the fire from actually spreading.
And again I seen the actual test and demo conducted by UL Labs and NECA/CECA and IBEW. It was conducted to show why we prefer use of conduit over Rome. It is safety from the start.
Also it will never happen since CODE REQUIRES ARC FAULT BREAKERS.
So your point becomes moot.
@@lm5085 you don't seem to understand that the vast majority of buildings were built before things like arc fault breakers even existed and haven't been updated to include them.
We can all tell you have a very loose grasp on what you're talking about because you keep using the word 'negative' in reference to the neutral wire, and there's no such thing as a 'negative' in AC power systems. You're also wrong about the current carried on the neutral wire. On a branch circuit, the neutral wire between the panel and the rest of the branch circuit carries the full load of the entire circuit, which can be as much as 15 to 20 amps depending on the circuit, and what's on it. The current "canceling" effect happens in the panel, and it's the neutral wire going back to the transformer from there which is only carrying the difference between unbalanced loads as you say.
Keep studying. You need the practice.
@Krankie V no shit. Conduit been around for very long time.
I stated a whole thing on it. Try selling making with VA or FHA it will have to be updated to.
I just gave few reason and examples. And as I stayed the neutral carries very low voltage I think last time I had to test something I got 32 volts.
ARC faults been required for oh abt 15 to 20 years now.
@Krankie V dude the neutral carries the unbalanced load back.
I been a a card construction electrician following Chicago Code mainly but NEC in surrounding for over 15 years.
Same as Cat Blue, everything was new. The spacers, extender, I did know about the face plates but didn't know about wood panel information. So nice to know. Thank you, keep up the wonderful videos.