HOW TO REPAIR OVERCUT ELECTRICAL BOX (DRYWALL)
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2018
- Learn how to quickly and effectively fix horribly cut or damaged drywall around electrical boxes.
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I was okay at spreading drywall mud, doing it on my own as a DIY person (I teach college computer classes). But one day I walked into the kitchen and my wife was spreading icing on a cake she was making for me. I marveled at her flawless technique of spreading the icing (Not perfect but Way better than mine with drywall mud). So next time I had a project i invited her to help me spread the mud. Long story short, the mud was too thick for her to spread so she taught ME her technique. She turned out to be a great help Mixing up mud and cement at other times because of her eye for texture. So don't just expect old timers to be the experts!
My wife was terrified of the skid steer but I made her get on it since she was the only one around. Huge mistake! She loved it and was amazing on it. I remember her bringing a huge piece of concrete to a trailer and the man who owned the trailer asking if she knew how to drive it. She laid it on the trailer like putting a baby in its crib. Trailer slowly squatted and no thud like when I load. He looked at me and said “you suck, let her load the rest”.
Such a wholesome comment on a wholesome channel
So she taught you to use a mixing paddle on the mud before you start working.
Wamen can be smart too! So I’ve learnt.
*women* try to learn how to spell before acting condescending about a whole gender. @@aaronlohr8477
I’ve been in the trades long enough to remember being totally unskilled day labor, clueless about everything, and the way to learn was to watch others and, if you were lucky, someone would share their knowledge. But a lot of guys were protective of what they knew and were happy to watch the rookies flail and fail bc they saw it as a competition. The smarter guys would buy books, or you could buy the old-timers drinks after work and loosen their tongues that way. This was all before youtube. It’s amazing to see people now being so generous with their knowledge, and this long prelude is just to ask you, Van Carp, where did you pick up your knowledge and skills?
Thanks, as always.
I guess I got lucky. My dad taught me most of what I know, and the bosses I've had since then have always been willing to show me what I don't know.
I’ve been working as a mechanic for about 15 years and I’ve never worked at a dealership or private shop where the old guys would help out the new guys. It’s like giving money out of your pocket. That’s why I switched to work in government shops. Paid by the hour, good benefits and no one is competing for jobs.
Still like that till this day. No one wants to share the skills and will always see you as taking their jobs
ive learned just from watching my bosses work or how they do things not hard to copy what others do without them telling you how they do it lol
It’s still that way. Knowledge is power and keeps people’s jobs secure. I think that’s the reason for it anyway.
40 years of drywall. First video on drywall patches done right. DIY people, do it this way!
This is the way.
@@firstmkbohhhhh see what you did there😂
I absolutely love watching people who take pride in their work and are good at their trade.
Adam Luke
And that's because they're so damned few and far between.
I love absolutely watching people take work at their trade and pride in there good
@@Pw6872 we are rare bc people don’t like paying for real craftsmanship. Most people complain about my pricing and go hire some two bit hack that “worked on a framing crew” and thinks they can finish.
The problem is the price it takes to do all of that work I could have that shit patched and sanded in one day easily way faster than what he’s doing and it will look even better and most importantly be stronger
CUT OUT SQUARE, ADD BACKING, MUD, LET DRY, SAND
You know he's good because the comments aren't filled with old cranks telling him all the things he did wrong, like every other trade video on youtube.
Your wrong!!!!
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Trust me, just read a little further. There are plenty of turds in the comments. Thanks for not being one of them :)
@@vancouvercarpenter You’re* 😉
I know this was made 3yrs ago but learning from your more recent vids, the only thing I'd do more is load up that right side gap with mud, then put the loaded tape on. Thanks for teaching us DIYers and contractors alike. Keep them coming!
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a polarva.one day I will make a film and put it on.and show you how pros do it
I can see you care about workers coming in after your done, I like that. I'm a trim installer and I hate when mudders drop huge piles all over the floor creating a big mess when it comes time for the baseboard. I know people are in a hurry but it really doesn't take that much extra time to be respectful of the other trades still to come. p.s. Thank you for posting these tips.
Huge THANKS to you Ben! I’ve been around construction most of my life. Drywall has always been a struggle for me. I’ve never worked with or had anyone training/teach me. I’ve been able to get what repairs/patches done but knew I was taking me too long and too much sanding and never up to the quality of my other work... at least to me. Currently on the biggest drywall project I’ve tackled... 105 sheets... ceiling, walls, inside and outside corners and the whole bit. I’ve watched others but they take so long to get to the point or spend more time trying to sell you on their link to tools or whatever. Time is money and I don’t have 25 minutes to get 3 to maybe 5 minutes of info... but you the man! You get right to it and easy for me to follow and copy. Your tricks/tip I feel as made the whole process much faster, with much improved very professional results!! And I have eliminated at least 90% of the sanding I was doing before and with a better finish! So Thanks again!!! Proof that old dogs can learn new tricks!👍🏽😎
I also am doing waaaaay less sanding AND getting much better results - Thanks to Ben!
The pro said, "I'm going to stop messing with it." Huge piece of mud advice.
Knowing when to step back is an essential skill.
'You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run"
Yes, it took me longer than it should to realize you'll always need to sand, but if you try to make it where you don't, you usually end up sanding more
Dude you're going to be huge on UA-cam. All the videos that NOBODY makes, you're putting out. Thank you sir!!!!
hells yeah , he's going to blow up and get rich , then he'll be blasting his mud all over hot chicks faces
Agree
Malcolm Baldwin hahaha I hope that too
I have watched this guy on several video's and appreciate him taking the time to show his technique...Well done and my thanks to the gent that made it.
Been Plastering for the last 14 years, do it day in day out but can still sit and watch your videos. Great stuff.
Thanks 👍
You are really good at your trade! The only suggestion I would make is that when you are working around a box like this is to put some blue tape over the screw holes to prevent getting any mud into them. The electrician will thank you, especially on plastic boxes.
I'm an electrician, and this is my new favorite channel on the internet.
This electrician thanks you for knocking the mud out of the box at the end. I can't tell you how many times spacklers dont do that and the patch falls apart ass I'm putting a switch or receptacle in the box. I enjoy your tutorials.
And we would all like to thank the electrician for making the large hole in the first place. If it had been done correctly there would be no need for a patch.
@@rodm5830 It could have been the drywall guy not cutting out the hole for the box in the first place. Then the electrician tried to find it and missed.
@@monitorlizard9971 I've seen electricians beat holes in walls with hammers to put boxes in. In fact I just repaired one a few months ago.
As a carpenter I can't tell you how many times electricians just saws all the crap out of things. And besides that they leave a mess in the entire house. Never pick shit up.
@@mikelyons7511 ha yeah
Excellent tutorial!!! 7:24, "I'm gonna stop messing with it, even though it could be a little more perfect". I really need to listen when the voice in my head says that. The voice also says, "I'll fix that with the next coat.."Many thanks for the vid.
I'm an old retired drywaller and I can tell you that it takes about a full year to really get good at finishing. If you are good ,very little sanding is required
Thank you for the lesson. I have an outlet at my sons house that looks similar to your project. I appreciate your time and effort and will use this technique for my repair.
Ive seen so many of these videos by you, and I cannot thank you for your clear, cut to the case and well explained tutorials on how to fix gipsum walls, and it has helped us so much in our home renewal project. Thank you so much!
"I cannot thank you..."
"Thank you so much!"
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There really is 'something' about watching someone who has honed the skills of their tradecraft to a masterful level.
As an electrician you have my thanks for keeping in mind how we hate mud in the boxes
We don't take kindly to mud in our boxes 😀
Everyone hates mud. Even the taper.
Electricians cause more damage to sheetrock and stucco than any other tradesman. Our electrician hit our exterior stucco with a hammer cracking it around every exterior outlet. Rather than simply removing the small amount of stucco inside the electrical box before installing the exterior GFI outlets. Heart breaking to see after I just shelled out $8000 for new stucco. Inside the house they overcut every single wall outlet so large the cover wouldn't cover it after the walls were textured and painted. It was a nightmare trying to get those walls patched around the electric boxes and making them match the texture and repainting them. Lesson learned. Now I have a clause in all my contracts with electricians. You mess up the walls you pay for it. I also take photographs before the electricians start their work.
Very nice. I am an electrician and pretty good at making electrical magically appear without the need of taping afterwards. However, sometimes wall and ceiling simply needs to be opened. I taped back in the day and never had any type of training and you make it look super easy and satisfying.
Some of the many reasons I enjoy your videos, is you show the mishaps that can occur while applying mud to dry wall. Many of the other videos cut away from the mistakes and only show the prime technique. If I lived in Canada, I would definitely hire you to do my home renovations. Thanks for sharing real life experiences.
Exactly! I wanna see how they handle mistakes and problems.
It’s a real joy to watch someone who knows what they’re doing.
As an electrician I thank you!!!
Well done! My husband and I are revamping our retirement home, he does the drywall (and doing a great job) and I do the mudding and sanding. He thinks I'm doing well, but being a perfectionist...lol. I definitely learned a lot from your video, I will have to devour all of them. Thank you so much for sharing your expertise.
Thanks for the tip. I've been doing drywall and mud work since I was 5 (seriously), but this still vid had value for me too.
I liken the 3 foot patch job to doing a partial paint job on a car -- the wider you can make a blended paint area, the smoother it will transition between old & new.
Great tips for this DIYer who lives in an old house and is constantly fixing or improving things. Thanks!!
I have painted walls around a larger outlet opening from expanding switches in old house. Can I simply mud over these areas and do what he’s done? Help?
I finished my plastering of a reno house and I'm really pleased. I picked up a new skill. My go to teacher was the Van Man. Thanks from Bendigo Australia
Thanks for sharing I love to see people who actually know how to work and get the repair done right way and move right on to the next job! Know how means a lot!!
I'm always impressed watching videos of skilled craftsmen performing their trade. This is a great video. A common problem, tackled by a professional, and a quality video recording. I often attempt these fixes on my own. Sometimes I succeed, but sometimes I fail. It's good to know there are still skilled people to fall back on, more so, who are willing to share some of their vast knowledge with guys like me. Thanks!
Good tips! A good carpenter is more than framing with wood or metal, trimming, doors, cabinets etc, but can fix wallboard and make the subs life easier.
A good carpenter has the knowledge and skills to back it up. A great carpenter has that, and the ability to fix others and their own mistakes.
@ 4:03 LOL! I've seen how-to videos on wiring new work. In almost every single one the electricians grumble about the drywallers. It's funny to hear you say, "Although, they're used to it." 🤣
You absolutely have the professional hands. It's hard to apply the right pressure to have the smooth surface like you do.
I’m a flood and restoration guy and enjoy your vids as references to finish my jobs.
Thanks for all that you do!
Oh yeah, algorithm
Hey thanks for putting this on here. It’s the most accurate vid for repair of electrical outlet and believe me I’ve watched a shit ton.
Women 🙄😉
@Chris Wyatt it's mud, not putty (maybe you call it something different where you are from?). That said, you do that to ensure that visually the wall appears flat. This is essentially applying the same concept to butt joints in drywall. Otherwise you'll end up with something that is both weak and has a hump that is obvious to the eye.
@Chris Wyatt I've heard of spackle, but that's for repairing small holes up to an inch or so. As for sheetrock putty, no, I can't say I have heard of that before.
Electrical,ua-cam.com/video/cKZ4rdK-F38/v-deo.html
How many do you have to watch lady?
All the drywall businesses are so busy right now where I live they need a month to catch up. This leaves me to make the repairs and your expertise is very helpful. The big picture is this stuff is so malleable there are multiple ways to fix any problem.
Self improvement month is in drywall repair for my direct relatives.
Thanks, great video.
So nice looking. You are helping me through my small home project. Painting all rooms, wainscoting paneling, new trim, ceiling fans, recessed lighting, receptacles, a/v. Flooring soon enough. The house was over due for a makeover. I will handle Spackle like that one day! Thank you for your videos!
Drywall is a 4 letter word to me. I work with a few friends in the house flipping business and when I hear "drywall", I quickly find another project. You make it look easy and what I learned from this is apply a little at a time and feather it out big time. Never knew the couple of tips you mentioned about quickset. Thanks and great job.
😂 Hard to do drywall from a wheelchair with no legs!
I would call you mr. Drywall Ninja... awesome technique.
Thanks for explaining quick set vs mud regarding drying time, cracking and shrinkage. And using one over the other. You just explained the reasons for my issues I had today. Thanks again.
That extended sanding tool is a must have for anyone doing drywall even if you’re just a DIYer. Has really
Improved my finishing game
Similar to what I've done but your technique is so much more precise and well thought out. This was very helpful. Thank you.
Man the way he’s able to manage and control the mud is awesome.
Thanks! I messed up the outlet cuttings on my small project ! This patch makes me happy! Really, really appreciate this!!
You are a combination of artistry and patience. Thanks for the insight.
Nice job! Its amazing the skill that goes into this. I just put in a basement suite, and it takes time to learn how to properly use the tools.
Interesting, I hadn't realized how far you have to go, on either side of the whole, to feather and eliminate curved surfaces, until I saw this. You have mad skills with the blade. I always resort to a 12 inch to smooth out larger areas.
Adam Luke, Vern Roch, and Peter said it for me but I concur. Your vids are outstanding for DIY'rs because your clear, concise and to the point. Love that! Thank you for your help and guidance.
Thanks @VancouverCarpenter for sharing this! I do a lot of different things at work, but of all, patching and mudding are my favorite and I find it satisfying to learn new techniques. (A little mud never hurt nobody)😎
Thank you. When you know what you are doing and have the right tools, most jobs are a lot easier.
Thanks man, I have this exact problem from a runaway rotozip
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Cleaning out the electrical box at the very end makes you a true professional.
I am fixing the walls in my house, and this channel has beyond helpful. Thanks a lot and keep on posting!
WOW! A real, honest-to-gosh craftsman. I thought they were extinct. What a thrill to see one in action. Wish you'd come to South Florida and give lessons to these alleged "drywallers."
Man, you make it looks easy and clean. Every time I try to do this, I end up spending way too much time for sub par looks.
Oh my gosh- I watched this almost a year ago and have done this trick so many times - works like a gem! Used 20 min and got done in no time and you'd never know there was ever a patch around those boxes-Thanks so much for the tip👍
Excellent manor/rapport and a simple instructional video. You hit all the pitfalls and concerns to do a great repair. Any DIYer can feel confident in attempting to put some sweet sweat equity into their home.
I never knew that technique of mudding the tape on the wall then removing it to use... thx for the video!
Nice job from what I can tell on my phone. I’m a luxury builder. Drywall is one of my “must be level 4 or 5 to pass”. When I patch, I always create a concave area working from sunken below the surface back to level as I move away from the patch area. Same with any nail pop. I have my punch guys hit them with a dimpled hammer and then mud. When they sand, it cannot be visible with a high intensity light casting an angle light. Once the “hot mud” or quick set has cured I go over with lightweight mud that is easier to sand. The goal is to have a patch that is perfectly flat after sanding. In our area, smooth walls and ceilings are standard or a light knock down on the ceilings is also common. I’ve found that if we are near fanatics on our drywall finish, all other finish trades really work hard to excel in their particular fields.
Thanks for talking about yourself in the comments of someone else's video. What's it like to be that self-absorbed?
You're filling in the gaps in my knowledge for this DIY-er. Thank you. VC.
Thanks for including a comment about using pre-mixed bucket mud. That's all I use, since I don't do much drywall repair work.
A really nice demonstration on a non-critical patch.
i agree. switch box patches don't need to be over done. receptacles however see much more stress, especially with the tamper resistant. i don't like cheap plastic boxes for outlets.
did he really just mud 2 feet of that wall just for a switch box?.. boss comes back and he's still fixing the hole next day... they have a job opening..
I can’t believe how easy you make scraping off excess mud look like. I end up ripping off my tape or moving it and leaving lines all over the place.
Just what I was looking for even when I wasn't looking for it. I did hang my own drywall and miscalculated a wee bit. This helps. Thanks VC.
I was an electrician in another life and fixed my share of those. The method I was taught was to stuff newspaper through the damage into the wall until it piled up behind the damage. This provide a dam to push spackle into the damage without it falling into the wall. Always worked for me. I imagine spray foam would have been a better dam than newspaper but spray foam wasn't a thing then.
Excellent video. I will be using this technique to patch around a bathroom exhaust fan that is smaller than the last one.
Thanks and keep up the good work.
I have the same problem and was thinking the same thing as I watched this video. Instead of quickset mud I am going to use 45 minute mud, but use hot water instead of room temperature water. I heard that using hot water with that type of mud will cause it to set quicker (around 20 minutes) instead of 45 minutes... Also will add some glue to it!
Careful. This technique is meant to bear a hanging weight like a fan. You my be better off to just cut out the Sheetrock from wall to joist, usually a 2’x2’ square, put in a new piece with the opening already cut in. Good luck.
Your informative tutorials are on point! I’ve watched hours of your content and it has without question improved my understanding and skill set to tackle drywall projects 10/10. Thanks!
You are a great explainer! I've been doing a lot of this stuff for years but could never explain what I'm doing quite as clearly. Thanks!
Yo Ben , I’m a plumber full time and moonlight doing wall repairs ( a lot of customers who I broke open the wall for plumbing work ) and I’ve watched A LOT of your catalog it has helped me gain a lot of base knowledge very quickly and my customers have been very happy. Thanks dad
P.S. QuickSet is now my best friend
perfect! Great detailed explanation of the process! Thank you
I'm just getting into drywall work, Thanks this explained a lot!
don't do it this way. it is totally WRONG. read how to do it properly, three comments about yours
@@bosdad7 There is no such thing as a "Right way." There is the way you do something and everyone else's ways. If you can't take the time to explain the flaws in Vancouver Carpenter methods. You can STFU and go back to your "Safe Place" You winey ass little UA-camr commenting bitch.
@Soup Can i do have a question fr you im new in the trade and i need help. I screwed it up real bad but i want to fix my mistake. I cover the whole with fast dry 20 min culkin and its all messy how can i fix my mistake?
@@bosdad7 there is nothing wrong with the way he did this! Not the way I would do it but this is fine
Long Island, NY electrician here. Thanks for the tutorial!
thank you! shoddy workmen during my renovation ruined several previously tight outlets when they installed new switches and outlets and now I am left to fix their mess
I like to wet the drywall first so that it doesn't suck the moisture out of the quick set plaster before curing. I also often use my knife to carve a bevel on the drywall to give more bonding surface. Now in this situation the right side was a pretty big gap so I would probably slip in something behind the drywall that would allow me to push up a lot of mud into that gap without it falling down the inside of the wall.
doing a backsplash but fixing this and drywall beforehad, this is exactly what i was looking for thank you.
Getting those boxes right is worth it. I was a little out of practice and assumed the covers were bigger than they were. Now I have some funky edges around the switches and receptacles.
I'm not as perfectionistic as I used to be, so I can dust myself off and do better next time.
Thanks working guy!
Great job! I wish I had your talent for mudding! Cheers.
U should teach dude, your very good at it. I like to watch that Tommy guy on This Old House and u on Utube,your both smart as hell and fun to watch.
I like that you actually know what you're doing. Thank you!
Sweet, nice job. Love people like you who have mastered their trade and live sharing their knowledge with the rest of us, thanks, great job.
These videos are going to be great guides when I start to renovate in the spring. Keep up the work man.
Good repair! I cringe on a lot of mud videos but well done! I'm a painter and do a lot of patch work, this is a sure fire fix that I use all the time in remodels. I don't typically use HOT mud(20m mud) but it is a good move as it drys harder and shrinks less. Its just not as convenient when I'm doing a lot of patches from electrical and plumbers.
I have a DIY knack for goofing up around the boxes when I hang drywall. I use tape and mud to fix them usually, but I never thought about using quickset. Good demonstration!
I used this technique I learned here on a ceiling exhaust fan where the gap around hole for the fan was 1" too wide all around. It worked great. Because it was on a ceiling I used 5 minute quick set and did two sides at a time because I didn't think I'd be fast enough to do all four. The quick set combined with the tape was a life saver, my first attempt without tape and without quick set was a mess falling all over down from the ceiling...an embarrassing failure. Quick set and the tape...totally different story.
"... but they're used to it" lol! Great job, VC.
Battle of the trades - dry waller covers or fills electricans box, painter comes and primes wall, electrican comes to put his switch in, cuts out dry wall, drywaller comes back to fix and spreds mud over 2' of wall, painter comes back paints over switch, and the cycle repeats
And let's not leave the brainless plumbers who blow massive holes in the walls and don't give a rats ass for the customer who has to pay for all the extra damage s they inflict.
I do all theses trades so i dont deal with theses problems.
Ngiovanni
And a Master at none.
And at the end of the day, someone doesn't get paid.
Great job! I sometime use 5 minute for smaller areas. When youre quick it saves considerable time on recoats!
Two things... REALLY nice job on the box.. and THANK YOU for cleaning out the box. I have had to clean out boxes so often to do the wires... I can handle a bit of mud in the screw holes... no problem. But I'm not a mudder. I understand the occasional oops- I forgot one, but lots of finishers just leave them all stuck out. Sometimes I understand why painters just finally get tired of driving in poorly sunk nails on siding and trim.
Exactly what I need! I have the same problem! Thanks to your video, I know how to tackle it :)
I would look up hot patching drywall. To me it has better results and is more durable
I don’t have any dry wall repairs. I just like to watch to learn for the future just in case
Just know it is more difficult than you see here. Pros always make it look easy!
Thanks for this video. Great visual instruction.
This is great and wonderful. Just watch a journeyman at work. Watch, listen, and learn.
This man knows how to patch drywall using mud and tape. We can see when done properly
there is much less sanding and a flawless wall repair.
I have a situation just like this that I have to repair. This will be much easier after this video.
Your videos are the best out there. Thanks for going out of your way to show the proper way to dry wall. Definitely going helping me for sure.
I've been doing some home repairs and every once in a while, I'll check out different channels on how to. Ran across this one and was surprised I've seen you before. On your skate channel, nice surprise, taking your skating knowledge and using that. Using this knowledge here is a no brainer!
The best way to repair that is to replace that section. What you did is very good but if not done properly, you’ll get a hump around the switch box. Thanks for sharing!
Yea, pretty sure he mentioned that.
I have humps around all my switches can this be fixed? Wall is already painted 😟
Ara Garcia anything can be fixed
Glad to see you care. Coming from an electrician. I know for a fact I don't disrespect other trades work.
Thank you !!! O can now fix the outlets in my lovongroom. I love how you explain it and show the work and quick to the point . Thank you !!!
I rented a house to a drywall guy once and he had the strongest handshake Ive ever felt
@azn5594 you must not know drywall guys are pretty damn strong from work, I take it you must not do much drywall or have been around any. And that was a horrible, horrible joke...
tall iron guys have pretty strong hand shakes too
Sounds like a tight fisted wanker 😉
Loggers who run chainsaws all day... Little old bald headed ex loggers I met had fingers like sausages and s grip like iron.
Wide World of Trains
It’s some back breaking work. Most guys don’t make it past 50 before their backs give out.
Very good, I had the same problem and used pieces of drywall to fill the large gaps, wish I had seen this video before I did that. I am not a professional drywaller, just DYer.
Nic Lira using a wood backer and drywall is stronger than just using tape.
Thank you for taking your time sharing these videos. I'm doing a bit of DIY work and your information has been quite helpful.
Have a light fixture that is going to need this same repair. I now know how to tackle the problem thanks to your video. Great instruction & tips Ben. Keep ‘em coming. Learning a ton. Still a LOT to learn in order to make it all look like a pro did it. 😉
Nice! One thought... since you are using quick-set mud, you can make it any consistency you like. You can make a "thick and sticky" batch to actually fill smaller holes, then finish normally. Won't break or fall out later. And with a little practice, you can do some amazing repairs by varying mud thickness.