thoroughly enjoyed this very informative look at the ft/lbs trajectory of the air gun pistols, air rifles and different calibres.I have been a pest control officer for a long long time and have seen the Air rifle evolve as time went on, I agree on the majority of what you have talked about But the one thing that I disagree on is untrained people who have NO idea about most forms of pest control in their gardens, Most haven't a clue when it comes down to shooting vermin in the garden, and I doubt if most have never looked at where the SHOT or pellet will go after they have pulled the trigger, let alone if the weapon they have purchased will KILL what they attempting to KILL, that brings me around to The Pest control act ,And that it is against the law to make any form of "Pests to suffer" and that vermin should be Dispatch cleanly and not to cause suffering, If you shoot any type of weapon in your garden, and the projectile leaves YOUR boundary you can be prosecuted. I inform the Police on any shoot I have to use any of my Air rifles, no matter where it is.
I am an engineer in the USA with a small business out of my little shop, and I have to say you do a really good informational vid with what seems to be pretty scientific with methodology and good attention to detail. But it is not the guns that require a license. It is a overbearing government that requires a license. That is why I wish you would take your expertise and methodical thinking, and move to the USA, where you would have much more to work with. Any government that disarms the citizenry is more dangerous than a armed "adult" citizenry. Just about any "toy" can hurt people if they are not used correctly. I know. As kids, my brother had a drum set. Reject the baby sitter. We are adults. Now there is no shortage of government baby sitting in the USA, but a 12 year old kid can still hunt small game with a 12 gauge semi auto shotgun, and sometimes, the child even shot a dangerous criminal who broke into their home. The right of self defense is a basic human right, and you can't have a civil society with out that right,---for long.
we don't have telephone directories anymore Andy but Argos catologue's are probably the best free alternative, get family members to pick them up when out shopping ;)
Simply incredible. So informative and I only wished I had watched it sooner. I only started shooting air rifles 6 months ago after a break of many years from firing mainly 7.62 rounds (many ‘000s). For me now as a range shooter, obtaining a close grouping on a paper target at 40-55 yards is a real challenge with sub 12 ft lb rifles. Obtaining it consistently is my goal and takes a lot of patience and skill. I had considered obtaining an FAC gun and license but after watching this, I think that I will perfect my short distance work before considering a longer range.
Living in the US, I’m not limited to power. I have a Benjamin Maximus and Marauder f&t model, both in .22. I’m actually wanting to tune the Maximus down in power to use for pests closer to buildings. I am doing this to reduce the likelihood of pass through on squirrels and birds. Torn between a 9 ft/lb tune and a 12 ft/lb with shots being no longer than 30 yards
For 30 yds a 12ft/lb rifle would be good for small game with little to no passthrough, Use 15.89 hades or jsb diablo and youre good to go. Im in the uk so only have 12 ft/lb but have no probs with rabbits, squirrels and the like.
This is probably on of the most informative videos I have seen about airguns. This should be the first step to picking an air rifle. If you know the power you need you know what to pick.
isn't it? Andy da man i would only add from my experience, if you see a $10 or $17 bb gun, get it! every one is fun, and every one you learn from. . One of my very favorites in my growing collection is a $17 walmart daisy buck. I reach for it more than any other. I just added my first break barrel, a .22 I nicknamed "Magnus" after the first shot, 32 foot pounds, smells like victory. Another favorite is a $34 walmart daisy 880 multi pump that I put a reflex green dot on for another $14. . I figured "let's stimulate the economy" right? So I got a CO2 beretta bb pistol with full auto. It adds a new dimension to the stable of air breathers. All of them together probably total $300. And I'll be thirsty for my first PCP some day, but for now I got a team to run here, and a weapons room to build (Kingsman style? Terminator? So many options)
@@nmarbletoe8210 I remember when the daisy 880 , with the 808 scope was the combo to have . 😕 That shows my age 😐 I love the pcp bullpups , But not their prices 😒
No doubt. I really appreciate how responsible he is in videos like this. debunking lazy cruel hunters and people thinking they can use air guns as home defence.
No mate it isn't, I think Andy would be a bit of a wrong un' if it was, I think that's his daughter. That being said Andy does have his missus in some vids. I'd tune my head a bit before I said such a thing, LoL.
@@joeschmoe511 Well ya get me don't ya? I mean where I live you don't ogle someone's daughter, only thing bad about what I said is there's a 'slight' chance I'm wrong.
Hi Andy, a very good sett of tests. As an FAC holder it would be really helpful if someone did some tests using variable power FAC rifles. You don't want all the power shooting in a barn, but you do when you step back into the field. Keep up the good work. Richard
This is one of the best videos I've ever watched on tube tube. On any subject . So thorough and detailed and complete and comprehensive and scientific. . . Thank you
I've learnt more about air rifles/pistols in 30.58 minutes than the last 5 years and realise that there's an awful lot of misinformation and old cods-wallop being talked in shops and local 'experts'. Top marks, great posting.
I've very recently become interested in air rifles, but have been into conventional arms since I was 12. Andy, you're the best!! I haven't bought so much as a pack of BBs yet, but I'm learning a lot from your YT videos. TYVM!
About time this topic was covered all in one video. I have seen the question 'What gun do I need to dispose of vermin/pests?' on many FB airgun groups from all around the world. In the future, my friend, I'll be sending them to this informative video. Thanks buddy! DOC
Thanks Andy - very well done! You describe what I have always referred to as the "Maximum Effective Range" - which is the farthest distance that the rifle, optics and SHOOTER can (consistently) hit the Kill Zone with ADEQUATE power to make a humane kill. Obviously, all things being the same, a rifle enough power for sparrows at 25 meters might need to be limited to 10 meters for rabbits - glad that you point out the energy loss over the distances as many people used to .22 LR rimfires seem to forget this. As you mention, bottle caps are about the size of the kill zone on most (12 fpe pellet gun sized) pests and small game - they were my favorite target when I was learning to shoot. I've replaced bottle caps with 1" spinners now so I don't have to go searching for them. Nothing beats real world data but I like the Chairgun program as well; find it very useful for visualizing trajectories, unfortunately Hawke is no longer supporting it. ATB from Ontario; Canada.
All birds are protected in U.K. with good reason. Sparrows, once common are now rarely seen (probably all killed in Canada!). There are some exceptions (usually corvids and types of pigeon if crops need to be protected) which I don’t have time to go into, but the information is out there.
@@lordcharfield Habitat destruction and over population of humans with their associated pollution is what kills off wildlife, not a couple of birds shot (legally) for being a nuisance. No shortage of sparrows around here, I have 10 acres of rural property with over 60 species of birds - including 5 different types of sparrows. Most non-game birds are protected in Canada (including ravens) but there is a number of species that are classed as "pests". Most of these pests are not native to Canada (English Sparrows and Starlings for example) and are a threat to the native species. If you are concerned about sparrows you are more than welcome to take them (all) back, I'm sure that my barn swallows are tired of having their nests taken over and will be pleased to see them gone. Cheers!
We in Poland can create similar energy without permits but with black powder only (same Czechs, Slovaks and Germans I believe). Poor brits dont know what they losing
I have never tried chairgun, I have always shot within my means and I have shot airguns since a teenager , only this year have I joined a club and purchased a range finder and what a difference knowing the range of the target makes invaluable in my mind.
@@tomkelley7174 for years I had a duplex reticule lol because the scope was awesome an old Bushnell dusk till dawn. I now have a new Nikko sterling panomax very impressed with it a really bright image and half milldot wide angle.
@@waynejones3413 Bushnell makes some good scopes. They used to make the mil dot reticle, which was the most useful for me. I look at a Horus or any sort of tree-type reticle and just see clutter. Rather use a duplex than a Christmas tree.
It's worth remembering that all pellets, bullets and projectiles drop at exactly the same rate! 9.8 meters per second squared - it's a fundamental law of physics. What you are really measuring is the length of time the projectile is falling for, or in other words, its flight time between leaving the barrel and arriving at the target. The less time it's in flight, the smaller distance it'll fall regardless of what it weighs or what calibre it is. And of course, that isn't determined by muzzle velocity, but the TOTAL time it's in flight - i.e. its average velocity. That's why a more aerodynamic projectile, like a slug for example, might have a lower muzzle velocity but arrive at the target sooner because it doesn't decelerate as fast and therefore drops less on the target - because its total flight time is shorter. It will also be carrying more energy when it arrives at the target.
Great work, Andy! Clear and concise, you really made a connection between the math and the field. Nobody has an excuse for poor shooting ethics after watching your presentation. Oh, and you are punching WAY, WAY above your weight with Mrs. AAR!
Superb informative video...I have spent many hours watching many a video trying to find this information out and you wrap in up very comprehensively in one 30 min video. Thanks Andy
An excellent video explaining what most ignore about air rifles. I have a rule of thumb of 6 ftlb at the target for a well placed humane dispatch which as your figures (and any of the software) will bare out is around 40-50m for a sub 12 .22. As most pcp's these days have the sub1" accuracy at that range, this gives the accurate shooter more than enough for all but the most pesky pigeon. Accuracy is the answer and knowing your gun/scope combo and practice is the only way to convert to success, all the power in the world won't help if you can't hit the target. Chairgun appears to no longer be supported by MTC and is no longer available on the app store and wont run on MAC sadly but Strelock (basic) will work very well
The .20 conundrum reared its head in the 80s if memory serves me right. As well as high mounts. All in the quest for greater accuracy. I don,t pop anything off any more, I just shoot paper at a local, very friendly range. What amazes me are the amount of people who think more power will make them God like at 70 yards, as they put in groups at 30 yards, that look as though they were shooting in a hurricane. And why on earth would you want to wind up your FX mid session? Just because it cost them a lot of money? Accuracy is the name of the game. That only comes from practice, consistency and knowing your gear.(And knowing your quarry). As always another good one Mr AAR.
I totally agree with you brother on CO2 pistols and Pest Control. However A PCP pistols are an entire Lee different matter all together. I have a Diana bandit in .22 shoots FAC 650 ft./s with a 16 gr. pellet, and will shoot a golf ball every single time at 40 yards with a three power scope. Excellent review thank you.
12:43 Surely people don’t use the .20 and other calibers because there’s not as many on the market and they’re not marketed well at all, either by manufacturers or sellers. Certainly when I was shopping and bought mine, no other calibers were mentioned at all. I’m a newbie (again) in my 50’s and not held a rifle since I was in my teens when I used to get paid to help the local farmers and I’d really like to get hold of a .20. Great video 👍
Andy, I dairy almost daily and you are correct about pesting. The all in one pellet test is another good example. Ex ,if you have a line of birds on a fence line with the shooter at 40 yards in the place where he only see's one bird. He shoots with .22 at least 3 but usually 4 birds fall dead, but with a .177 you will only get 2 birds to fall dead 2-10 times. This is important IMO as well because here in the US where small man syndrome is leading indicator of stupidity. There are to many shooting .25 and .30 on farms dairies etc. The Dairy I shoot I will only allow .177. I wish more shooters took the time to understand momentum and power or potential damage after pass through. Good video Thank you
Excellent test Andy really appreciated going to the lengths to prove the lethality of 12ft/lb UK limit and something I can take on board in my line of work.
Very well presented Andy. I've watched a few videos recently with people from other countries saying that the 12ft lb rifle is just a toy, well im quite happy for my kids to play with toys, I very much doubt they'll be as happy to let their kids to play with a sub 12ft lb rifle. That being said I was surprised to see the damage the 303 did and wounder what it would actually take to stop it.
He did a great job applying the scientific process. This goes to show that air riffles should be treated with the same level of respect & safety as firearms. Agreed “proper, safe & responsible airgun handling”
Bullet resistant material is not totally dependent on hardness - energy dissipation is more important in modern vests, glass and amour. Many sheets of paper are excellent energy dissipaters .
Very educational and entertaining content, and I highly commend your focus on safety and commonsense. Watched a few of your videos now and love them - subscribed and thanks from an airgun rookie.
Totally agree with the 177 needle remark. All sub 12, my dad’s 22 blows a hole you can miss into a squirrel. My 177 doesn’t leave a mark. Still dead but only ever found two holes.
I have a huben k1 80ftp gun on a .22. Enough for the range or pestcontrol. Its also enough to shoot slugs. And semi auto function great gun lot of power
I have the Crossman F4 and I completely LOVE that rifle. 1200fps with non led pelletts and 1000fps with led pelletts. It is an actual small game pellett gun. Its for squirrels, rabbit's, opossums, etc. I won't shoot an animal but it is an amazing rifle if you need to
Great vid, Thanks! Jfi : I use the wife's shopping catalogues, not the thick outer cover ones. ( she's not happy ! : ) ) My R10 SE at 11.6 and Ultra at 10.4 at close range will fully penetrate between 82 and 76 pages. Using AA 16gr and 13.44 falcons ( .22 obviously). Both will rupture pages as deep as 230 pages. A new compacted catalogue is amazingly tough, my .22 easily go's thru 1/2" plywood
Wife's happiness is very important use extreme caution in the future I don't know you but seems like a good idea for a long lasting relationship happy shootings
Why? Do they stop the absolutely massive amounts of crimes committed using airguns in Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Spain and the Netherlands? Ohhh wait, there are none.
We don't have 'gun laws', as you see it,just scare/,fearmongering by natural instincts of people. There is no law that makes you glad that there are 'no more dangerous guns in the UK.' as you think.
Let me thank you for the valuable information and gorgeous hardware you have presented. Grew up in northern WI with gun in my hands but am a total newbie to REAL air rifles! Friend just got FX Impact .25cal. Yes, I am ashamed at how badly I want one.
Congratulations my friend, you're the best air gun presenter with the most interesting channel on the business. It's a delight to absorb all the valuable information, so eloquently presented.
Really fine channel Sir! I just found you. I live in Texas. Our gun laws are a little different. Still, I got started with BB guns in the 60’s & still love shooting them for plinking. Thank you for controlling your comment section, for being respectful, & family oriented. Too rare on YT as you may have noticed.☝🏻
Thank you for your very kind words. I dislike the amount of language that is all too common place these days and I realise 5% of my audience are women and around 10% are under 18. So I seem to spend as much time controlling the comments as I do filming sometimes, but that is the price of doing this, so I accept this and will continue to do my best to keep it as clean as possible. Thank you again for your kind words and thank you for watching. Regards Andy.
That's true, Kevin. But without some decent practice, lucky to hit the broadside of a barn door at 40 meters. My first compound bow was a Jennings I bought while stationed in Okinawa in 1973.
My Hatson Sortie has over 27 foot-lbs with 31grain H&N grizzlies at around 630 FPS in a 25 cal. semi-auto pistol with folding stock. It’s a lil loud though. They were having quality control issues with them at first, the recent model I got has had hundreds of slugs though it with no cycling issues. About 20 shots (2 clips) per fill. Cheap $45 eBay pump means all day semi auto fun! Proud to be an American.
I had a 20 ft lb HW80 is used for pest control, I found that ideal for clean kills , personally I think the legal limit 12 ft lbs is too low, it can penetrate small pests but has no knock down power and leads to animal suffering. 20 ft lb on a crow dispatches it instantly .
Thank you for a very informative video Andy. I just wish some people would STOP calling these air guns toys. Because they certainly are not toys and that goes for all of them CO2 included. Keep up the great work Andy.
Great video! I'm a science and numbers guy, so I love this stuff. Also makes me appreciate America even more. We have no rules on airguns at all, basically, other than the fact young children can't buy them and restrictions on where they can be shot (I live in town and cannot shoot in city limits, for example). But as far as ownership, as an adult I could order a 450 ft/lb PCP and have it delivered with no paperwork or license at all. Although, honestly, my favorites are springers that range from 14-30 ft/lbs, of which I have many (too many, really). Freedom, Baby! :)
@@adamreisman9187 No, not really. Just 6 or 7 states that are fairly restrictive. The others are just age restrictions, as I mentioned. The vast majority of states have little to no restrictions.
I bought a few days ago my first rifle "umarex perfecta mod 32", and even tho the power output is just 5.5 pound/lbs or 7.5 joules (the power limit for it to not be considered a real weapon here in italy) i'm actually having a lot of fun with it!
Howdy from Texas Andy! I cant imagine being so neutered. GRRRRRR!!!! All my AG's are slug shooters. from 74 to 200 fpe. and no where near the top of the heap power wise. Long ranges here in Texas. and lots of wind. Wild Hogs, Coyote, Bob Cat, you name it. We have it all. No 12 fpe need apply. Newest AG, JSAR Mini Raptor in .222. 74 fpe, mid setting. :
NOPE THANKS With respect and as someone who worked with many awesome Brits for years, there’s no use discussing American firearms rights or their merits with about 95% of Englishmen. It’s an utter waste of time. It’s one of the biggest disconnects between our respective cultures.
Difference is knifemaker is the difference in the size of Texas and the Uk. We have a very small island with a population of 64 million, also there is no public land. Every inch is intensivly farmed and privately owned. Still wish we had your freedom but you coould not loose off .223 or 308s willy nilly
Hello. When I was a child wanting my first Air Weapon, I would walk into my local hunting/tackle shop with Dad. And walk back out after 10 minutes or so with a Webley in one hand and a "Do's and Don't's Government or Police single page pamphlet. Which was mostly common sense and mostly some what hopeless. Now after watching your informative video I would urge any Mother/Father or Adult to sit down with their child and watch it. It is a superb piece of informative filming which any adult and child will be able to grasp. I have seen some hopeless non educational films. Until now, graphically filmed to enlighten adults and children to the raw dangers a tiny 8 gram pellet can cause. Showing the power velocity from each weapon and its impact, and the FCC regulated weapon surprising me on the bone shot. An Extremely excellent video overall indeed. A video that should encourage some of the Mums and Dads out there to continually supervise their children, and not just hand the weapon over. Brilliant. Brian UK
A guy who lived near us in the 70s killed a woman with a BSA supersport from over 50 meters. He threw it from his top floor flat balcony when his mum went home early to catch him shooting. It hit the poor old lady putting rubbish in the bin. I remember the police marching him off
Hugely enjoy your reviews and thanks to the insights offered, have made a great recent purchase of an RM8 UC. Great presentation style and clarity too. Thank you for all your (considerable) efforts.
I'm British Born and apaulled by the despotism towards licensing for something that is your choice and I think a right to be owning your own property regardless of what the hell the queen thinks, take it from someone who grew up, try it, you'll appreciate your freedom.
Good stuff. I do think a shotgun is a damn sight more dangerous than a fac air rifle, yet a shotgun license is much easier to get. Would like to see 12+ ft/lbs air rifles on a shotgun certificate.
You are crazy with all due respect. A 12 bore shotgun has a muzzle energy of around 4000 joules. In comparison an AR 15 .223 has an ME of around 1800 joules and you want to see a 16 joule pellet gn on the same certificate as a shotgun?
@@lensman5762 I think you've grabbed the wrong end of the stick. A shotgun certificate is easier to acquire than a FAC, which you currently need to own a 12+ ft/lbs air rifle. That's why I think it would be better on a shotgun certificate.
@@diesel92kj1 No, that's not what I'm saying. I would like FAC air rifles to become available on a shotgun certificate. My view is that sub 12ft lbs don't need to be licensed.
When I was about 10, I got a Red Ryder. I thought I could kill a bunny. I'm 35 years old now and I'm telling you that experience still haunts me to this day. DONT try to kill an animal unless you are CERTAIN you are going to kill it.
Rules and regulations of countries aside, this is a great channel. Here in Arizona, they have set up air gun and slingshot hunting seasons and due to some of the large caliber pcp guns, there is possible purchase restrictions coming to the United States. Not just shooting but pointing or carrying air guns, soft air, or even toy guns can get you in more trouble than you think with the police.
yes, we have the second ammendment in the US, but you still go through a background check to buy a firearm. To get a carry license you go through additional background checks along with a class, finger printing, range test, and permitting with the state in which you live. Yes, we can own a firearm, but we still have to go through background checks. Most crimes are committed by people who did not go through the required checks but instead have stolen weapons from family and friends or that were purchased illegally on the street.
The requirements vary state to state. For instance, while I did need to go thru the NIC check, fingerprinting was not required. As well, to carry there are now no permits required here. When I bought my 50 cal pistol, I simply ordered it and it was delivered to me, no checks at all, all I had to do was sign the delivery receipt.(muzzle-loader flintlock)
@Mark Kollmer If you can you get that kind of pressure in a .50 pistol small enough to holster, you must be one heck of an engineer. I'd invest in that.
An air gun is not a firearm neither is black powder in the US no background check needed just take what you want off of the shelf and go to the checkout stand and pay for it
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I'm looking into pest control mainly around sheds, around 10ft distance, would an airpistol be worth trying?
thoroughly enjoyed this very informative look at the ft/lbs trajectory of the air gun pistols, air rifles and different calibres.I have been a pest control officer for a long long time and have seen the Air rifle evolve as time went on, I agree on the majority of what you have talked about But the one thing that I disagree on is untrained people who have NO idea about most forms of pest control in their gardens, Most haven't a clue when it comes down to shooting vermin in the garden, and I doubt if most have never looked at where the SHOT or pellet will go after they have pulled the trigger, let alone if the weapon they have purchased will KILL what they attempting to KILL, that brings me around to The Pest control act ,And that it is against the law to make any form of "Pests to suffer" and that vermin should be Dispatch cleanly and not to cause suffering, If you shoot any type of weapon in your garden, and the projectile leaves YOUR boundary you can be prosecuted. I inform the Police on any shoot I have to use any of my Air rifles, no matter where it is.
I am an engineer in the USA with a small business out of my little shop, and I have to say you do a really good informational vid with what seems to be pretty scientific with methodology and good attention to detail. But it is not the guns that require a license. It is a overbearing government that requires a license. That is why I wish you would take your expertise and methodical thinking, and move to the USA, where you would have much more to work with. Any government that disarms the citizenry is more dangerous than a armed "adult" citizenry. Just about any "toy" can hurt people if they are not used correctly. I know. As kids, my brother had a drum set. Reject the baby sitter. We are adults. Now there is no shortage of government baby sitting in the USA, but a 12 year old kid can still hunt small game with a 12 gauge semi auto shotgun, and sometimes, the child even shot a dangerous criminal who broke into their home. The right of self defense is a basic human right, and you can't have a civil society with out that right,---for long.
Can you estimate the power with a suitcase weighing scale strap? 😈
we don't have telephone directories anymore Andy but Argos catologue's are probably the best free alternative, get family members to pick them up when out shopping ;)
Simply incredible. So informative and I only wished I had watched it sooner. I only started shooting air rifles 6 months ago after a break of many years from firing mainly 7.62 rounds (many ‘000s). For me now as a range shooter, obtaining a close grouping on a paper target at 40-55 yards is a real challenge with sub 12 ft lb rifles. Obtaining it consistently is my goal and takes a lot of patience and skill. I had considered obtaining an FAC gun and license but after watching this, I think that I will perfect my short distance work before considering a longer range.
Living in the US, I’m not limited to power. I have a Benjamin Maximus and Marauder f&t model, both in .22. I’m actually wanting to tune the Maximus down in power to use for pests closer to buildings. I am doing this to reduce the likelihood of pass through on squirrels and birds. Torn between a 9 ft/lb tune and a 12 ft/lb with shots being no longer than 30 yards
For 30 yds a 12ft/lb rifle would be good for small game with little to no passthrough, Use 15.89 hades or jsb diablo and youre good to go.
Im in the uk so only have 12 ft/lb but have no probs with rabbits, squirrels and the like.
This is probably on of the most informative videos I have seen about airguns. This should be the first step to picking an air rifle. If you know the power you need you know what to pick.
isn't it? Andy da man
i would only add from my experience, if you see a $10 or $17 bb gun, get it! every one is fun, and every one you learn from.
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One of my very favorites in my growing collection is a $17 walmart daisy buck. I reach for it more than any other. I just added my first break barrel, a .22 I nicknamed "Magnus" after the first shot, 32 foot pounds, smells like victory. Another favorite is a $34 walmart daisy 880 multi pump that I put a reflex green dot on for another $14.
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I figured "let's stimulate the economy" right? So I got a CO2 beretta bb pistol with full auto. It adds a new dimension to the stable of air breathers. All of them together probably total $300. And I'll be thirsty for my first PCP some day, but for now I got a team to run here, and a weapons room to build (Kingsman style? Terminator? So many options)
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I remember when the daisy 880 , with the 808 scope was the combo to have .
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That shows my age 😐
I love the pcp bullpups ,
But not their prices 😒
@@tomwebber4015 Last summer I got a PCP .22 with a built in pump. It has changed the nature of reality. :--)
You are a very good spokesperson for the sport of air gunning. Thank you.
No doubt. I really appreciate how responsible he is in videos like this. debunking lazy cruel hunters and people thinking they can use air guns as home defence.
He's a great presenter / entertainer. Also very informative.
If that was mrs AAR, you sir are punching harder than Tyson. Respect
No mate it isn't, I think Andy would be a bit of a wrong un' if it was, I think that's his daughter. That being said Andy does have his missus in some vids. I'd tune my head a bit before I said such a thing, LoL.
Why would you want to risk your safety.
@@gaberaddo7664 it's a good thing you don't run the world. ✌️😉
@@joeschmoe511 Well ya get me don't ya? I mean where I live you don't ogle someone's daughter, only thing bad about what I said is there's a 'slight' chance I'm wrong.
@@gaberaddo7664 It's his wife
Hi Andy, a very good sett of tests. As an FAC holder it would be really helpful if someone did some tests using variable power FAC rifles. You don't want all the power shooting in a barn, but you do when you step back into the field. Keep up the good work. Richard
This is one of the best videos I've ever watched on tube tube. On any subject . So thorough and detailed and complete and comprehensive and scientific. . . Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it! thanks for watching. Andy
I've learnt more about air rifles/pistols in 30.58 minutes than the last 5 years and realise that there's an awful lot of misinformation and old cods-wallop being talked in shops and local 'experts'. Top marks, great posting.
Thank you, Andy and AAR team! I really enjoy your informative videos.
I have been waiting for years for someone to produce high quality air technology educational resources. Subscribed.
I've very recently become interested in air rifles, but have been into conventional arms since I was 12.
Andy, you're the best!! I haven't bought so much as a pack of BBs yet, but I'm learning a lot from your YT videos.
TYVM!
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WoW ... What an education I just got. Had to stop and rewind several times, wanting to understand it better. Thank you
Great job Andy excellent video , one of your best and likely my favorite , lots of knowledge gained, and very entertaining . Cheers
About time this topic was covered all in one video. I have seen the question 'What gun do I need to dispose of vermin/pests?' on many FB airgun groups from all around the world. In the future, my friend, I'll be sending them to this informative video.
Thanks buddy!
DOC
Very well thought out and very thoroughly tested. Excellent and usable information!
You're are very knowledgeable man Andy, and I enjoy your videos, keep up the good work!
A great review Andy,many thanks for putting all your time & effort into making your videos
Thanks Andy - very well done! You describe what I have always referred to as the "Maximum Effective Range" - which is the farthest distance that the rifle, optics and SHOOTER can (consistently) hit the Kill Zone with ADEQUATE power to make a humane kill. Obviously, all things being the same, a rifle enough power for sparrows at 25 meters might need to be limited to 10 meters for rabbits - glad that you point out the energy loss over the distances as many people used to .22 LR rimfires seem to forget this. As you mention, bottle caps are about the size of the kill zone on most (12 fpe pellet gun sized) pests and small game - they were my favorite target when I was learning to shoot. I've replaced bottle caps with 1" spinners now so I don't have to go searching for them. Nothing beats real world data but I like the Chairgun program as well; find it very useful for visualizing trajectories, unfortunately Hawke is no longer supporting it. ATB from Ontario; Canada.
All birds are protected in U.K. with good reason. Sparrows, once common are now rarely seen (probably all killed in Canada!). There are some exceptions (usually corvids and types of pigeon if crops need to be protected) which I don’t have time to go into, but the information is out there.
@@lordcharfield Habitat destruction and over population of humans with their associated pollution is what kills off wildlife, not a couple of birds shot (legally) for being a nuisance. No shortage of sparrows around here, I have 10 acres of rural property with over 60 species of birds - including 5 different types of sparrows. Most non-game birds are protected in Canada (including ravens) but there is a number of species that are classed as "pests". Most of these pests are not native to Canada (English Sparrows and Starlings for example) and are a threat to the native species. If you are concerned about sparrows you are more than welcome to take them (all) back, I'm sure that my barn swallows are tired of having their nests taken over and will be pleased to see them gone. Cheers!
Way too many pests here and not enough gunners i think.
I have just ordered two dozen bottles of premium Belgian beer on the strength of this video.
Thanks Andy
Me 21 years old loading my 6.5 creedmor with over 1800ft-lbs shooting at a steel plate :) gotta love America
We in Poland can create similar energy without permits but with black powder only (same Czechs, Slovaks and Germans I believe). Poor brits dont know what they losing
Paint tins at 800 yards with my 338 Lapua.
Australia
I have never tried chairgun, I have always shot within my means and I have shot airguns since a teenager , only this year have I joined a club and purchased a range finder and what a difference knowing the range of the target makes invaluable in my mind.
That's what mil-dots are for.
@@tomkelley7174 for years I had a duplex reticule lol because the scope was awesome an old Bushnell dusk till dawn.
I now have a new Nikko sterling panomax very impressed with it a really bright image and half milldot wide angle.
@@waynejones3413 Bushnell makes some good scopes. They used to make the mil dot reticle, which was the most useful for me. I look at a Horus or any sort of tree-type reticle and just see clutter. Rather use a duplex than a Christmas tree.
It's worth remembering that all pellets, bullets and projectiles drop at exactly the same rate! 9.8 meters per second squared - it's a fundamental law of physics. What you are really measuring is the length of time the projectile is falling for, or in other words, its flight time between leaving the barrel and arriving at the target. The less time it's in flight, the smaller distance it'll fall regardless of what it weighs or what calibre it is. And of course, that isn't determined by muzzle velocity, but the TOTAL time it's in flight - i.e. its average velocity. That's why a more aerodynamic projectile, like a slug for example, might have a lower muzzle velocity but arrive at the target sooner because it doesn't decelerate as fast and therefore drops less on the target - because its total flight time is shorter. It will also be carrying more energy when it arrives at the target.
Great work, Andy! Clear and concise, you really made a connection between the math and the field. Nobody has an excuse for poor shooting ethics after watching your presentation. Oh, and you are punching WAY, WAY above your weight with Mrs. AAR!
Superb informative video...I have spent many hours watching many a video trying to find this information out and you wrap in up very comprehensively in one 30 min video. Thanks Andy
Thanks Andy I found this very informative
Yes very informative Andy . Mind blowing what damage that '303🤔' can cause. Thanks for taking the time to produce this. Love your work 🇬🇧
An excellent video explaining what most ignore about air rifles. I have a rule of thumb of 6 ftlb at the target for a well placed humane dispatch which as your figures (and any of the software) will bare out is around 40-50m for a sub 12 .22. As most pcp's these days have the sub1" accuracy at that range, this gives the accurate shooter more than enough for all but the most pesky pigeon. Accuracy is the answer and knowing your gun/scope combo and practice is the only way to convert to success, all the power in the world won't help if you can't hit the target.
Chairgun appears to no longer be supported by MTC and is no longer available on the app store and wont run on MAC sadly but Strelock (basic) will work very well
The .20 conundrum reared its head in the 80s if memory serves me right. As well as high mounts. All in the quest for greater accuracy. I don,t pop anything off any more, I just shoot paper at a local, very friendly range. What amazes me are the amount of people who think more power will make them God like at 70 yards, as they put in groups at 30 yards, that look as though they were shooting in a hurricane. And why on earth would you want to wind up your FX mid session? Just because it cost them a lot of money? Accuracy is the name of the game. That only comes from practice, consistency and knowing your gear.(And knowing your quarry). As always another good one Mr AAR.
I totally agree with you brother on CO2 pistols and Pest Control. However A PCP pistols are an entire Lee different matter all together. I have a Diana bandit in .22 shoots FAC 650 ft./s with a 16 gr. pellet, and will shoot a golf ball every single time at 40 yards with a three power scope. Excellent review thank you.
This excellent stuff Andy. Straight talking and right to the point
Sure like most of your videos
12:43 Surely people don’t use the .20 and other calibers because there’s not as many on the market and they’re not marketed well at all, either by manufacturers or sellers. Certainly when I was shopping and bought mine, no other calibers were mentioned at all.
I’m a newbie (again) in my 50’s and not held a rifle since I was in my teens when I used to get paid to help the local farmers and I’d really like to get hold of a .20.
Great video 👍
Andy, I dairy almost daily and you are correct about pesting. The all in one pellet test is another good example. Ex ,if you have a line of birds on a fence line with the shooter at 40 yards in the place where he only see's one bird. He shoots with .22 at least 3 but usually 4 birds fall dead, but with a .177 you will only get 2 birds to fall dead 2-10 times. This is important IMO as well because here in the US where small man syndrome is leading indicator of stupidity. There are to many shooting .25 and .30 on farms dairies etc. The Dairy I shoot I will only allow .177. I wish more shooters took the time to understand momentum and power or potential damage after pass through. Good video Thank you
Me, casually glancing over at a 620ft/lb Bushbuck .45 I ordered online... God Bless the USA!
Lmao. We welcome you!
Got the texan .50 in the netherlands to 980 jouls
@@geertjankatuin4213 You can order a gun like that online here, but we have to wait months for a suppressor. FFS America. Get your priorities strait.
@@holl0918 we can order both of you are 18 years old. Nothing more
@@Gerard_Joling63 where? Can be ordered for shipping into UK?
1st class, educational presentation 🤓
Excellent test Andy really appreciated going to the lengths to prove the lethality of 12ft/lb UK limit and something I can take on board in my line of work.
Fantastic info Sir. Really informative and this is a really great watch. Cheers.
It might be useful for every shooting organisation should use this video, it’s brilliant
Very well presented Andy.
I've watched a few videos recently with people from other countries saying that the 12ft lb rifle is just a toy, well im quite happy for my kids to play with toys, I very much doubt they'll be as happy to let their kids to play with a sub 12ft lb rifle. That being said I was surprised to see the damage the 303 did and wounder what it would actually take to stop it.
He did a great job applying the scientific process. This goes to show that air riffles should be treated with the same level of respect & safety as firearms. Agreed “proper, safe & responsible airgun handling”
Can you do a video on how to go about getting a firearm certificate
Visit your local police station and they will put you in touch with the local fire arms officer
You can go on to your police force website for info
I learned all this the hard way, what a great channel i'm sure it's saving new shooters so much money and time. Thank you very much.
Nice review andy
As always cheers 🥂
I love your reviews!
I'm American!🙋
Single action/double action revolvers: I've owned both. There's no substitute
Bullet resistant material is not totally dependent on hardness - energy dissipation is more important in modern vests, glass and amour. Many sheets of paper are excellent energy dissipaters .
Thank you Andy for all your work . . .
Very educational and entertaining content, and I highly commend your focus on safety and commonsense. Watched a few of your videos now and love them - subscribed and thanks from an airgun rookie.
Excellent , useful , instructive video. Thanks Andy.
Excellent video. Thank you.
Totally agree with the 177 needle remark. All sub 12, my dad’s 22 blows a hole you can miss into a squirrel. My 177 doesn’t leave a mark. Still dead but only ever found two holes.
I have a huben k1 80ftp gun on a .22. Enough for the range or pestcontrol. Its also enough to shoot slugs. And semi auto function great gun lot of power
Best review of air rifles I’ve seen
That was excellent and was made so interesting as it did not require the viewer to have a maths degree to understand the results
I have the Crossman F4 and I completely LOVE that rifle. 1200fps with non led pelletts and 1000fps with led pelletts. It is an actual small game pellett gun. Its for squirrels, rabbit's, opossums, etc. I won't shoot an animal but it is an amazing rifle if you need to
This is an awesome video very informative and interesting well done AAR
Thank you Andy, very informative.
Great vid, Thanks!
Jfi : I use the wife's shopping catalogues, not the thick outer cover ones. ( she's not happy ! : ) )
My R10 SE at 11.6 and Ultra at 10.4 at close range will fully penetrate between 82 and 76 pages. Using AA 16gr and 13.44 falcons ( .22 obviously). Both will rupture pages as deep as 230 pages.
A new compacted catalogue is amazingly tough, my .22 easily go's thru 1/2" plywood
Wife's happiness is very important use extreme caution in the future I don't know you but seems like a good idea for a long lasting relationship happy shootings
You spent a ton of work and time on this video. Thank you. I wish I had found it before buying 2 pellet guns that won't do what I wanted.
Thank you very much for all you work and info. Much appreciated by all AIR users
Great review, thanks. I fully agree with your caution. I'm glad Britain has these gun laws.
Why? Do they stop the absolutely massive amounts of crimes committed using airguns in Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Spain and the Netherlands? Ohhh wait, there are none.
We don't have 'gun laws', as you see it,just scare/,fearmongering by natural instincts of people. There is no law that makes you glad that there are 'no more dangerous guns in the UK.' as you think.
Great video. Lots of helpful information. Best take-away for me though, don't move to the UK.
A lot safer than your country
@@craigwilson9797 you can only have a sub 12ft/lb rifle just lol !!! Pathetic.
We are not even allowed a blowpipe if a knife is green with zombie wrote on it it's an illegal knife I'm not joking bye the way
It's alot safer in a padded cell with a straight jacket on but not everyone wants that
@@craigwilson9797 and i guess if you have your testicles removed, you don't have to worry about getting kicked in them either?
Andy your best thought on a budget break barrel scope $100 range thanks greg
Thank you for this great research and test and this explanation.
Let me thank you for the valuable information and gorgeous hardware you have presented. Grew up in northern WI with gun in my hands but am a total newbie to REAL air rifles! Friend just got FX Impact .25cal. Yes, I am ashamed at how badly I want one.
Congratulations my friend, you're the best air gun presenter with the most interesting channel on the business. It's a delight to absorb all the valuable information, so eloquently presented.
Hear hear... :-)
I like his style, and the subjects he presents.
This man is so good and informative.
Great informative review, know your rifle/scope/pellet choice and know your limits and field craft.
Brilliant info, thank you so much for sharing. John.
Excellent man. Thank you.
Wow! felt the lesson down into my soul. Thanks this is the best I ever watched
Good video. Well done.
Stunning video, nothing more can be said, you nailed it.
Andy
Really fine channel Sir! I just found you. I live in Texas. Our gun laws are a little different. Still, I got started with BB guns in the 60’s & still love shooting them for plinking. Thank you for controlling your comment section, for being respectful, & family oriented. Too rare on YT as you may have noticed.☝🏻
Thank you for your very kind words. I dislike the amount of language that is all too common place these days and I realise 5% of my audience are women and around 10% are under 18. So I seem to spend as much time controlling the comments as I do filming sometimes, but that is the price of doing this, so I accept this and will continue to do my best to keep it as clean as possible. Thank you again for your kind words and thank you for watching. Regards Andy.
Best regards to you Andy!
Your reviews are of great help to decide what to buy.
My compound bow has 60 ftlb and still 45ftlbs at 40 meters no licence required
Bows and cross bows are lethal !!!
Just ask Robin Hood !
@@RiojaRoj And a baseball of the bat has over 200 Joules of energy.
@@lensman5762 yea but but you d struggle to hit something at 100yds 😁😁😁😁
Yes but fully illegal to shoot anything other than a target with a bow (compound or otherwise)
That's true, Kevin. But without some decent practice, lucky to hit the broadside of a barn door at 40 meters. My first compound bow was a Jennings I bought while stationed in Okinawa in 1973.
My Hatson Sortie has over 27 foot-lbs with 31grain H&N grizzlies at around 630 FPS in a 25 cal. semi-auto pistol with folding stock. It’s a lil loud though. They were having quality control issues with them at first, the recent model I got has had hundreds of slugs though it with no cycling issues. About 20 shots (2 clips) per fill. Cheap $45 eBay pump means all day semi auto fun! Proud to be an American.
I had a 20 ft lb HW80 is used for pest control, I found that ideal for clean kills , personally I think the legal limit 12 ft lbs is too low, it can penetrate small pests but has no knock down power and leads to animal suffering. 20 ft lb on a crow dispatches it instantly .
Thank you for a very informative video Andy. I just wish some people would STOP calling these air guns toys. Because they certainly are not toys and that goes for all of them CO2 included. Keep up the great work Andy.
Great video! I'm a science and numbers guy, so I love this stuff. Also makes me appreciate America even more. We have no rules on airguns at all, basically, other than the fact young children can't buy them and restrictions on where they can be shot (I live in town and cannot shoot in city limits, for example). But as far as ownership, as an adult I could order a 450 ft/lb PCP and have it delivered with no paperwork or license at all. Although, honestly, my favorites are springers that range from 14-30 ft/lbs, of which I have many (too many, really). Freedom, Baby! :)
And yet the government doesn't trust us with suppressors. (sigh)
@@Sagart999 Truth! 🤪
Actually many states in America deny you the right to order an airgun online and you need a permit to own.
@@adamreisman9187 No, not really. Just 6 or 7 states that are fairly restrictive. The others are just age restrictions, as I mentioned. The vast majority of states have little to no restrictions.
No freedom in city limits.
What a great review. The time to produce this is commendable
Can you please do a full review of the
Seneca Aspen PCP Air Rifle, Multi-Pump.25
That gun sucks
@@pmac7527 I think you'd need to expound on that for it to be valid. I've got 2 ATI Feedoms in 22 and they are pretty good guns.
I bought a few days ago my first rifle "umarex perfecta mod 32", and even tho the power output is just 5.5 pound/lbs or 7.5 joules (the power limit for it to not be considered a real weapon here in italy) i'm actually having a lot of fun with it!
Howdy from Texas Andy! I cant imagine being so neutered. GRRRRRR!!!!
All my AG's are slug shooters. from 74 to 200 fpe. and no where near the top of the heap power wise. Long ranges here in Texas. and lots of wind. Wild Hogs, Coyote, Bob Cat, you name it. We have it all. No 12 fpe need apply.
Newest AG, JSAR Mini Raptor in .222. 74 fpe, mid setting. :
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Was it with texans and killing God's animals ? Bad karma,my friend. Once you get bored of animals,let's hope you don't move on to humans.
NOPE THANKS With respect and as someone who worked with many awesome Brits for years, there’s no use discussing American firearms rights or their merits with about 95% of Englishmen. It’s an utter waste of time. It’s one of the biggest disconnects between our respective cultures.
TheBusterMan Maybe go with the half-soy latte mate?
Difference is knifemaker is the difference in the size of Texas and the Uk. We have a very small island with a population of 64 million, also there is no public land. Every inch is intensivly farmed and privately owned. Still wish we had your freedom but you coould not loose off .223 or 308s willy nilly
Hello. When I was a child wanting my first Air Weapon, I would walk into my local hunting/tackle shop with Dad. And walk back out after 10 minutes or so with a Webley in one hand and a "Do's and Don't's Government or Police single page pamphlet. Which was mostly common sense and mostly some what hopeless. Now after watching your informative video I would urge any Mother/Father or Adult to sit down with their child and watch it. It is a superb piece of informative filming which any adult and child will be able to grasp. I have seen some hopeless non educational films. Until now, graphically filmed to enlighten adults and children to the raw dangers a tiny 8 gram pellet can cause. Showing the power velocity from each weapon and its impact, and the FCC regulated weapon surprising me on the bone shot. An Extremely excellent video overall indeed. A video that should encourage some of the Mums and Dads out there to continually supervise their children, and not just hand the weapon over. Brilliant. Brian UK
A guy who lived near us in the 70s killed a woman with a BSA supersport from over 50 meters. He threw it from his top floor flat balcony when his mum went home early to catch him shooting. It hit the poor old lady putting rubbish in the bin. I remember the police marching him off
Hugely enjoy your reviews and thanks to the insights offered, have made a great recent purchase of an RM8 UC. Great presentation style and clarity too. Thank you for all your (considerable) efforts.
I'm British Born and apaulled by the despotism towards licensing for something that is your choice and I think a right to be owning your own property regardless of what the hell the queen thinks, take it from someone who grew up, try it, you'll appreciate your freedom.
As you a "grown up" now you should know that the queen does not make the rules.
Definitely not a SPAM! Very informative!
An Excellent informative production good Sir, may I commend your diligent efforts.
Marcus Gault couldn't of said it better lol
That was an excellent video - thanks for your effort in producing.
Good stuff. I do think a shotgun is a damn sight more dangerous than a fac air rifle, yet a shotgun license is much easier to get. Would like to see 12+ ft/lbs air rifles on a shotgun certificate.
You are crazy with all due respect. A 12 bore shotgun has a muzzle energy of around 4000 joules. In comparison an AR 15 .223 has an ME of around 1800 joules and you want to see a 16 joule pellet gn on the same certificate as a shotgun?
@@lensman5762 I think you've grabbed the wrong end of the stick. A shotgun certificate is easier to acquire than a FAC, which you currently need to own a 12+ ft/lbs air rifle. That's why I think it would be better on a shotgun certificate.
You want licences for Air Rifles the same as it is for Shotguns ? You must be an anti.
@@diesel92kj1 No, that's not what I'm saying. I would like FAC air rifles to become available on a shotgun certificate. My view is that sub 12ft lbs don't need to be licensed.
M Kennedy I'm sorry, I do apologise my mistake.
Best limey on air guns --- thx The Yankee
95 foot pounds - that's equivalent to the kinetic energy of an average-sized apple travelling at 80mph!
That's why you aren't allowed to throw apples in the UK unless you have a special license.
@@garyvigue that's funny !
@garyvigue licence in the UK.
Awesome video!!!!!!!
When I was about 10, I got a Red Ryder. I thought I could kill a bunny. I'm 35 years old now and I'm telling you that experience still haunts me to this day. DONT try to kill an animal unless you are CERTAIN you are going to kill it.
What!? And let you have all the fun?
Been there. Had to go inside and get a .22
Scream a lot, don't they?
GyroMurphy if u hit it in the nut u can kill them👍
Rules and regulations of countries aside, this is a great channel. Here in Arizona, they have set up air gun and slingshot hunting seasons and due to some of the large caliber pcp guns, there is possible purchase restrictions coming to the United States.
Not just shooting but pointing or carrying air guns, soft air, or even toy guns can get you in more trouble than you think with the police.
yes, we have the second ammendment in the US, but you still go through a background check to buy a firearm. To get a carry license you go through additional background checks along with a class, finger printing, range test, and permitting with the state in which you live. Yes, we can own a firearm, but we still have to go through background checks. Most crimes are committed by people who did not go through the required checks but instead have stolen weapons from family and friends or that were purchased illegally on the street.
The requirements vary state to state. For instance, while I did need to go thru the NIC check, fingerprinting was not required. As well, to carry there are now no permits required here. When I bought my 50 cal pistol, I simply ordered it and it was delivered to me, no checks at all, all I had to do was sign the delivery receipt.(muzzle-loader flintlock)
@@lochinvar00465 Black powder pistol. Try to have a 9mm pistol delivered to your home. BATFE will bring it to you.
@Mark Kollmer If you can you get that kind of pressure in a .50 pistol small enough to holster, you must be one heck of an engineer. I'd invest in that.
@ihatetacos theresa6616 no, that is not a plan for freedom and stopping government over reach as well as protecting homes and lives
An air gun is not a firearm neither is black powder in the US no background check needed just take what you want off of the shelf and go to the checkout stand and pay for it
Wow ! Mrs Aae is a hot shot!! Good shooting Tex 👌
I love how he went to her image when he said " bone hard"!