The 2021 Toyota Supra 3.0 is Faster but is it Better?
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- I spend 5 days with the 2021 Toyota GR Supra 3.0 to find out if the extra power and suspension changes have changed the Supra for better or worse. After just spending a week with a 2020 Supra, I also compare the two and dive into all the differences between the 2020 and 2021 Supra and how those changes affect the car's character on the road. With a starting price of just $1,000 more than the 2020, the 2021 Supra is now an even better bargain starting at $50,990 and the Premium trim only goes up $500 for a starting price of $54,490. What do you think of the 2021 Supra changes?
Time stamps:
0:00 Exterior
2:16 Interior
3:25 Initial driving impressions
6:04 Acceleration
8:45 Handling
13:16 Other impressions
17:00 Comparing with the 2020 Supra
20:03 Fuel economy
20:38 Availability
21:31 Final thoughts
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When the new wrx sti (new looks and engine) comes out and you get your hands on it to review, please please just once, go "whats up everybody, its subaruwrxfan here," for your OG follower/viewers. PLEASE.
redesign is gonna happen in year 2056 tho
Yessssss
I second that
Haha I probably can bring it back. I already did a throwback a few months ago in my S209 review as well in case you missed it :) ua-cam.com/video/Qr3SAzI71m0/v-deo.html
@@trippplefive comment of the day 😂
Watching for years, I still enjoy the flow of these reviews, especially when Matt is feeling the car.
Thanks for the support over the years Mickey!
my wife calls him "horny boy" because of his tone when he gets excited :)
@@AutoShorts3 thanks for making me smile/grin from ear to ear :) :D
Thank you Matt for this review. I completely agree with you on the driving dynamics of the 2021, I picked up my silver Supra two months ago
The video i was looking for the past 2 weeks THANKS MATT!!!
Thanks for watching it!
Great review! Still needs a manual. I can see it holding high resell value years down the road. Even if it falls apart and parts are crazy expensive.
Great review. On a more boring front, but much appreciated, really enjoy the way you label the video sections. It makes it really appealing to rewatch videos because I can jump around to what I want. Great job.
Thanks, yeah I love having time stamps too!
Matt Maran Motoring ahhhh, that’s what they are called.
Excellent review Matt. I was thinking about the 2.0L due to it weighing 200 pounds less that the 3.0L Still the great looks on the 2.0L! Keep up the good work!
People saying that it doesn't look like a Supra are very wrong because there is no destinct Supra look. Just look at the MK.3. It doesn't look anything like the MK.4. So Toyota defines what looks like a Supra or not
Agreed. Imo it looks like what I'd imagine a modern Supra would look like...
@@RRSmurf it looks fucking dang good. I'm actually in love with that car
good afternoon Matt. nice vid. liked b4 watching b/c I knew it was going to be good
Hey Matt! Great review, I have a challenger rt and I was eventually wanting to upgrade to a scat pack wide body but this car is so tempting..two totally different cars but there's just something about this new gen supra that just tugs at the ol heart strings.😍
Love it
My favorite sports car at the moment, available in Australia next year.
I hope the price hike is not to high as the current top spec in Australia is under one hundred and ten thousand.
I hope the wind noise at highway speeds is not as bad as reported.
Thestraightpipes actually had a small segment about the wind buffeting in their supra review, pretty much saying it's a huge deal breaker, some of the users I heard ended up 3-D printing a fix to help with it.
Man it sounds so good .
I absolutely love this car and must own one.
Been waiting for your review! I love the design too so upsetting so many people hate on the design for absolutely no reason. Great review! Hopefully one will make its way into my shop so I can see this thing in action! :)
Man I'd be pissed if I bought a 2020
Yeah, what a shit move. Same with the 2010 and 2011 mustang gt
Technology waits for no one. Gotta learn to love what you have.
Maybe Toyota will upgrade them for a low price.
I have a 2020 model and I’m not pissed lol Toyota always like to fuck their fans just like what they did they the 86.
Agree, the 2020 is literally worth nothing now
Dyno for this car is 388 whp and 421 lb ft torque to the wheels, the 2020 was 346 whp and 409 lb ft of torque to the wheels. :)
Aye Deffinetly not the 50 claimed by Toyota, but power is power and always welcome.
BigHeadClan 42 is close enough to the 47 Toyota claims. It is a massive difference either way.
Hey Matt, hows does the new Supra 3.0 compare with the driving experience of an Alfa 4C? Thanks and great job, keep up the good work!
Matt ; you been hitting them weights
It's nice but I want a MANUAL!!!!!
I really don't care about track times, I would rather have the satisfaction of shifting on a day to day basis.
Ryan On Life no drives manual anymore, it’s outdated.🙄
Of course that’s what people say because they have no idea what it feels like to drive a manual. How Toyota released this w/out a manual option is criminal. Same goes for the Corvette C8
@@rickhunter6513 it's not outdated, it's no one puts money where their mouth is and buy it
Boy that blue is sick
What is this new UA-cam feature O_o it's beautiful
Great review Matt! I ordered an A91 in Refraction Blue and I cannot wait for it to get here!
Did the exhaust sound seem different from the 2020 to you? Some say it has changed but I couldn't hear a difference in the video.
Danny D Awesome I’m interested in one of those as well. Just curious did you pay a markup? And what is the MSRP on them? Thanks in advance!
Congrats on the order! After just driving the 2020 and getting into the 21 a week later, exhaust sound seemed identical to me.
@@ReevesTop I have a bill of sale saying MSRP but pricing isn't known yet. June 17th.
Who remembers the intro “whats up everybody its subarunansgsjskfnfbbfhwrxfan here”
YES
I love the looks of this car so much!!....it’s beautiful!
Nissan370Z Glass and you must be an idiot
Yeah it does
@@KC-py5vq lol
Amazing review of an amazing car. Keep up the great work Matt.
Glorious review! I'm so happy to see a BMW inline-6 (turbo) show it's * as. What a great amalgamation of two automotive giants.
Correct me if I’m wrong but after looking around many mod videos for the 2021+:
Less tunability because of a locked ECU so you’ll have to bring it in for tunes and can’t really do it yourself.
Less power can be made after tunes due to the 6 port exit design compared to the 2 port in the older models.
Less early power from the 6 port in the 2021+ = less fun on the street but of course more performance on the track.
So it depends what you mean by missing out.
great review! I sure thought the new one sounds Way more aggressive and angry...that and the accelerations were positively vicious...just fierce! it IS quicker!
I think it looks amazing too Matt!! Did anyone see the car and driver video where they dyno’d the 2021 at 388hp to the wheels, crazy.
Yep I should have watched the whole video before commenting.
Awesome review Matt! Can you also do a full review of Z4 m40i? I want to hear what you think of.
Thanks! I'd like to but BMW doesn't send me press cars. So I'm forced to wait for an owner to offer me theirs.
We should go into BMW dealerships and look at a car. Then where a salesman can hear us, our other halves should say
Wife: "what did Mat Maran say about the the car?"
Me: "ah bmw don't send him cars.."
Wife: "I'm not comfortable buying a car he hasn't reviewed"
And then walk out 😁
Imagine buying a 2020 launch edition only to have next year's model beat it. Damn I'd be mad lol
Imagine you bought it 30K-40K over sticker.
jancula9 yea for real. In California, you can pick up a 2020 for 3-4K off
It doesn’t just “beat it”. It annihilates it. After 5,000 rpms the 2021 just walks away from the 2020 model.
I blame BMW. They love doing that kind of crap.
All cars brands the same... every year a Mustang or BMW changes beats the earlier model.
when you turn traction control on or off, does it help with the tail happy end from sliding around? how can we take turns at higher speeds if it wants to slide i dont get it?
Daaaammmmn i want an A91 with that blue. It looks insane. 0:49
Yeah it does
2021 also comes with carbon fiber mirrors package it’s extra 1k
this guy is a goofball. love it
Ooo that a91 version was nooiicee
Did they address the wind buffeting issue with 2021 changes? A lot of journalists said that the wind buffeting was really bad in the 2020 Supra.
New 86 is going to look such like this, with 4 seats turbo boxer with the subie
Matt should have a king size red bull then do a review!!
In addition to his normal speedball?
I test drove the 2021 and 2020, noticed that the torque is not available as low as it is in the 2020; noticeable from a dead standstill. Would you say the same?
Where is the mountain road located at cuz it’s a texas plate but no mountains in my city
When are we gonna see the MK4 on your channel?
It’s great that even after a year of this car in production, Toyota already gave the new Supra some new updates to make it a better car
I hope they also give it a manual transmission at least as an option
Toyota really didn't do anything, BMW simply allowed the Supra to have the exact powertrain as in the Z4 M40i whereas it was a slightly detuned version before (allegedly). BMW has basically dumped manual transmissions, so the Supra likely will not ever have a manual with this generation. They almost certainly won't spend the money in development to put one in.
B. L they don’t need to spend money on developing a new transmission. The B58 is compatible with a manual BMW has put in precious cars. Toyota just needs to get permission or something from bmw to put the manual in the Supra.
@@CU08 Manual Supra is almost here for 2023.
Missing the targa top and 2+2 seating.
I love when he gets on it!! Is like little kid!! Toyota did it Right!
I agree, this car looks so incredibly good. There’s something about it I really love. One of my dream cars for sure
What I keep noticing, is that not 1 single reviewer has put a 2020 vs a 2021, besides Albion... and their 2020 Supra looks wrecked, so there's an opportunity out there for someone... *cough*
It’s bc they couldn’t say how it performed yet
I really want to love this car... great review Matt.
I’m surprised he never reviewed the 340i since they share the same b58 engine
When’s the next cars and coffee?
It's such a sexy car, but I really don't want to buy a BMW (or most-any german car) new.
Glad these changes make it better, but I don't think it'll affect the sales figures, though.
Never buy the first model year
The first one really isn't bad. Other the steering rack change and that wasn't that bad, everything else is negligible. For the extra power, a tune is easy and done.
Waiting to see what the new TLX Type S looks like tomorrow. Have my lease up in October and this might be on the short-list and wifey likes it too. Does this have height adjustable suspension as part of the "modes" ??
Suspension can't change heights, only how firm it is.
@@MattMaranMotoring Arigato gozaimasu
I prefer fake vents over no vents but are those huge fake vents on the side really necessary??
I like it, why no Targa though. Also they kinda need to make a deal with vin diesel and bringt a fast and furious edition. The blue edition is nice too though
That special edition would be Epic
No targa and no 2+2. As great as the ZF auto is in this car, I wish they would put a 6 speed manual as an option. Not everyone cares about shaving tenths of a second off of 0-60 or seconds off lap times. Otherwise, they did a damn fine job on this car.
This car reminds me more of an E86 Z4 M Coupe in a way, which is one of the most beautiful BMWs ever made.
Love it in red. The Z has the balls but the Supra has the look
I want one!
Great looking car....just wish the interior space was larger. Guess I'll just buy a vette.
I wonder if that time is with a roll out or from a dead stop if it's not dead stop means nothing
I really want to get a supra but I feel like waiting for them to make more improvements until toyota has perfected it.
I have no problem with no manual option even though I drive manual cars. my problem is there isn't a dual clutch. the transmission is definitely the shortcoming of this vehicle and makes it hard to add more power
@@lclnbm In most cases, DCT's actually limit how much power you can add due to two clutches. That's why BMW went with ZF8 Speed in new M cars and this because they wanted to add way more torque and DCT's especially the BMW DCT were the weak point of the older M cars. However, DCT is and will always be more fun to drive especially it literally bangs when you shift gears and make a great noise like steel cut gears lol
Loved the updated 3.0, but the 2.0 is a great value, and nearly as much fun.
Hey Matt..would you consider the 2021 Supra more a GT car that is suitable for a weekend trip or a 400 mile drive?
It’s really a comfortable car to drive, once you get in.
I am so torn on this car Matt half of me is glad that the car is back but half of me is sad that is a coproduced car, seems like we’re a lot alike in our taste for cars so when you talk about a car I pretty much know that were pretty much the same in terms of how well a car is, I have not seen this car in person yet so I really need to leave my judgment at the door.
Does the exhaust still provide the pops and bangs as well as the 2020 model?
Not as much
Nice review Matt, how's it different mechanically? Still the same engine and they just upped the boost?
Different heads(went from 2 port to 6 port),different pistons,and lower compression ratio.
yup, like the other reply said, lower compression ratio allows to safely run the higher boost (better than what a local tuner would get you)
Interesting thanks.
I have not heard anyone except "Everyday Driver" really address the buffeting. Why? Has it been addressed for the refresh?
No, but it can be fixed with aftermarket parts as cheap as $10.
Wow, those speakers sound great piping in that fake engine noise 👍🏼
My only gripe is it doesn't have Android Auto, same thing in the Nissan GTR. Seems odd considering 87% of smartphone users are on Android according to the latest market share numbers
goddamn that's horrible, it's probably because its utilizing a bmw based head unit, the GR86 for instance has android auto as do the other toyota vehicles.
Proper Matt speed talk
The lower compression of the 2021 model allows much greater potential for tuning and modifying than the 2020 model. Just wait till tuners get their hands on the 2021 model.
mpgxsvcd not really
tluu91420 yes really. Only 3 current turbo cars have a compression ratio at or above 11:0. One of those cars is hybrid built for fuel economy more than performance. All of the BMW cars that are supposed to share the same engine have lower compression ratios.
With a boosted car you need a lower compression ratio in order to achieve really high boost pressures. Toyota intentionally handicapped the 2020 Supra by giving it a high compression ratio. It doesn’t mean it is a bad car or can’t achieve decent results. It just simply means that you can achieve the same or much better performance results with the 2021 Supra than you can with the 2020 Supra.
How is the special edition color not a beautiful dark green? Bummer
This nk dude reminds me of izzy in an 86
review a Toyota Sienna
The question is should i wait for 2022 come out to get extra hp or should i get 2021
Matt you mentioned a C7 and a c8. If you had to choose 1, between the 3 cars, which one would you get?
I think for the money the C7 is probably the best value. Supra is the next best value since it's much cheaper than the C8. C8 is a blast too though, but most will be at least 10k more expensive than a fully-loaded Supra.
Between the 3, I'd get the Supra because it's the only one with side curtain airbags and safety is important to me.
I haven’t even sat in the old one or the new one yet
You’re late to this but I’m still gonna watch your review after seeing Redline and Doug’s lol
Redline seems to think I care about his unnatural sexual preferences, and Doug was a douche about the 2020 Supra. So thanks for this Mat.
Doug is an asshole. He hates japanese cars a lot.
@@sunrisesunset1734 yes doug actually hate Japanese. He even insulted r34 in his r34 review. Man that hurts.
Rims look good
Hate the two tone rims. Looks like Corolla wheels. Not sure why Toyota feels the need to put two tone rims on all their cars.
Cool
Think they look pretty good too...
Hey Matt, did Beth's opinion change between the 2020 to the 2021? Asking for a friend.
Haha no change, she thinks they're both cool.
Did you enjoy the week? I couldn't really tell. ;-)
Wind buffeting is the issue
I have one question before the video begins can you roll down the window at freeway speed without thinking your eardrums are going to burst with the new Supra?
It's a easy fix(you can diy or throw 5$ at it) still suprises me I hear that modern Toyotas still suffer from this problem.
Did they fix the dam drone?!
🔥🔥
Well I can't even afford last years model LOL.
I have a 2020 I found out it has a severe buffeting problem with the windows down. I love everything else.
It can be fixed with various aftermarket fixes, some as cheap as $10.
@@MattMaranMotoring Just not by Toyota! Hah
The 2l version is sacrilege
I feel like Toyota will keep making minor changes until they drop a Supra with major features in a few years, such as real air vents and double the power.
Mk5s getting 50hp power bumps yearly including tuning changes with the suspension. The GRMN is said to more than likely be lighter and more powerful than the base mk5 with 500+hp. But for RN no one knows if its just going to be a souped up B58 or a S58 since that's all in the air RN.
Do you think the 3.0 2021 model is better? The dealer here has both model years and I was just wondering what your opinion is which one would you buy? I’ve got a good offer on the 2020 which is red, the 2021 is a beautiful metallic grey. I’m thinking of trading in my Bullitt to get the more nimble sportier feeling like a Cayman but better price point then the Cayman GTS 4.0 which is $90k. This Supra is about $53.
Hey Joel, I spend much of this video discussing my thoughts on the 2021 versus the 2020. If the points I make in the video about the 2020 resonate with you and the deal is much better on the 2020, I don't think you're missing much. But having the extra power is always nice too, just comes down to the deal and your preferences.
Matt Maran Motoring - Thanks. Some of the articles on the Supra say the company may still make a manual. I’m thinking maybe I should wait? There seems to enthusiasm for a manual by customers like us! The chief engineer was quoted recently saying the manual is under consideration. They may put it in a more powerful Supra with 500hp or the 2.0 like BMW’s. So maybe it’s worth waiting. Patience seems to be a virtue with this yearly policy of continuing upgrades to keep interest going. Thanks. I still like my Bullitt but I’d prefer a more nimble Cayman like experience but at a better price point. The only Cayman to get now is the GTS 4.0 but the entry price is steep!
Matt Maran Motoring - I need to drive the new Z with the manual too! Next year!! 👍🏻😊
It is critical to understand that at no point in the entire rev range does the 2020 Supra have more torque or more horsepower than the 2021 Supra. Even though the peak Horsepower comes on later in the 2021 model it is still producing more torque and horsepower than the 2020 model at its peak numbers.
The engine in the 2021 model is superior to the 2020 model in every single aspect.
Why did they change in the engine besides lower compression ?
6:08
ii. kxb what we came for!!!
Before i even start watching his video i scroll through the comments to get the time stamp thx ! 😂
Exhaust tips are larger in v6 vs 4
I6 not V6
Does the 2020 sound better than the 2021 3.0? I'm seeing mixed reviews about the pops and crackles. Can someone shed some light on it pls? Thank u
I discuss that in this video.
The new Supra hype was dying out and Toyota knew that they had to increase the horsepower with the 2021 model to keep the sales up.
No. They had plans to update it yearly before they even started selling the 20 models.
Is the buffering still there?
Probably, but it's a cheap and easy fix
Are the upgrades like the piston and Exhaust or even the tune, BMW? Or Toyota has upgraded the engine? BMW doesn’t have a 400+B58 in their lineup.
BLACK BIMMER this is the same motor as in the BMW Z4 M40i. It is similar but with significant revisions compared to the 2020 Supra. As you know, BMW underrates their engines so the 2021 Supra was actually dyno’d by C&D and found to have 380 HP at the wheels (approx 440 HP at the flywheel).
It's the same improvements the Z4 M40i engine has, which is why the HP numbers for the two are identical now. Toyota made the other tuning changes though.
I don't think Toyota can "upgrade" the engine because bmw is still liable for any defects and recalls. Toyota is just responsible for tuning and calibration of the GR Supra but that doesn't mean they can crank up the boost or upgrade any parts without BMWs consent.
Sounds so good.. it is sharp looking, minus the fake vents. Should be offered in a manual trans. Would rather get a miata.
the Supra needs a Targa top or a Roadster version.
Is it really more power or did they advertise the real power it makes? 2020 was rated at 390hp but advertised as 335.
More. New heads,new pistons,lower compression ratio.