Excellent video. We have just purchased this machine and I have been getting to grips with it. Great machine. We also have the Puma 2600 LM with programmable steady and tail stock, also a great machine.
We need a video showing the M600 used to set the phase synchronization for spindle 2 to spindle 1. Part is machined in side 1 to an odd shape and a machined set of pads/jaws on side 2 will synch and move over part using m213 for cutoff and transfer. The manual is terrible and directions given to set the paramaters at 4034 using m600 do not work.
Thank you for the super useful videos Mark! I would really like to see a video showing hot to set up tool load monitoring on Fanuc Legacy controls. We have a few Doosan machines and your videos make the learning curve much more manageable. The machine I'm wanting to add TLM to is our MX1600ST.
Thanks Troy! I appreciate the feedback. Titan has covered how to set this up on lathes. I will look at us doing one for a mill type set up. As for the MX you are planning on adding, you will absolutely love it! The Titan link is here: ua-cam.com/video/ZbepcxJAiOs/v-deo.html
I have two questions: How is the B axis defined here? Is there a B shift set for your main spindle WCS so that the face of the jaws on the sub chuck read Z0. when they are flush with the main spindle's Z0.? If you had a different sub chuck or different jaws how would you account for that Z change? I suspect there are a couple of ways you could do it, but I'm not sure what is happening in the video. After the handoff, you would likely send B home and do the sub spindle turning in that position with its own work shift?
You can do it in a few different ways. Either call a machine B position which you measure the way he showed in the video initially I.e. B-XX.XX from G28 G53 B0. home or you can set your B in your G54. I think it is easiest at first to just call a machine position but once you start using G54 Z 0. off of your chuck it becomes much easier to reference your B the same way. That is how they showed it being called when they were going over the code later in the video.
It would be great to have a video on setting up parts ejector, air blast, Parts catcher, coolant flush and setting parts counters/ limiting part runs to certain quantities. A video for lathe accessories and tying this video together for full automation.
uuhm i don't the machine is going to like the M87 before the M168 and M69. If you had softjaws with a certain depth and actually use the M86 function to push the part against the jaws the machine will crash the b-axis into the main spindle and thow an emergency stop in your face if you program an M87 over there. I always program the M87 after transfer but before the returning of the b-axis to home.
How do you sync a part with a hex? from the main collet to the sub? im using a collet closer on the main and sub. rather than a jaw. im maching a round bar stock to a .750 hex size. the sub has a .750 hex collet. we tried using this program to sync our part and had no luck.
Im going to try having both spindles stopped and set my c axis to C0.0 and then approach the part and clamp it and then start the spindles at the same time in a "sync" if thats possible.
Looks fine, but the problem is, that there's shown a transfer to the right chuck with a through jaws. But, what about a jaws, which are bored to a certain depth, and the part has to lean firmly against the back wall? For example, I'm machining a 9mm thick flange, and after the first side is done, I have to transfer it to the right chuck with a jaws, which are bored 6mm deep, firmly to the back wall of this 6mm bore. Isn't there going to be an emergency stop due to the overload, or any artifacts on the workpiece by itself? I'm working in a workshop, where we are often using a bored jaws for both sides of a workpiece, but all our machines are single-spindled, and I was always curious, how it works on a two-spindle machines. Also, what about any radial/axial runouts after the transfer?
So here is how I would do that. All you need to know is the correct pick off position for that part with it up against the back wall. Obviously, without the right spindle running, I would hand wheel the jaws up to my part and use a .001" shim to gauge the position of my part to my right spindle jaws. Whatever that number is, it would go in to your G1G98BXX.XX F25.0 line. That is your pickoff position. I would run that pick off program just like it sat and test run it. Once it picked off the part, I would stop the machine and check the part to back wall distance with shims. If that flange was not all the way against the bored back wall of your sub-spindle jaws, I would move the B axis by -.001" and do this again until I was satisfied with it's position. You will have to "sneak up" on it. If you do this correctly, you should not get any kind of alarm. Your back reference surface of your jaws is just a contact surface. Once it's against it, it can't go any further. All of the holding forces are in the jaws. I realize a 9mm flange is thin, so you don't want to put a ton of force on it anyway.
On dual spindle machines you set the force that you want the sub spindle to push at, with a G31 skip move as soon as the force is met the jaws will close and the program will continue. The runout will be very minimal and repeatable as well.
we just received one of those. Machine is great easy to use, but got confusingly too much menu to do the same thing and the interference points are a joke. Having the machine in setup mode while moving turret towards part in sub still need to hold down the blue button to be able to move. setting up made so difficult because of that.
The chucks have to spin to sync the C axis, so just to save time we go ahead and hand the part off with them spinning. You can sync the chucks, stop them, hand off the part and restart them, but that takes up time.
better to make an own macro for this? something like: (*** PART TRANSFER LEFT TO RIGHT SPINDLE ****) G65 P123 A0.5 (approach pos) B-2.97 (grip pos) C2. (pullout pos)
@@markchristopher5809 Ok, I get that part. But what is the mechanics of a torque signal. How does it function? Reads amps for rotation when it shouldn't be there?
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I really appreciate this kind of content. It makes me more comfortable making a large investment in a new machine. I'm about to sign for a new LYNX 2100LSYA. I would love to see a video on how to setup tool breakage detection so I can run it unattended.
@@stevestrange8130 Yes! The sales guy promised me it was automatic. I had even asked about that specifically since I noticed the brochure said the opposite. I just figured it was being built with the auto arm. Get it in writing and never trust a sales guy.
Dear doosan team I am Raghvendra singh from india 🇮🇳 I have A question for your team. How to solve tailstock run out . This problem come again to again. Please make a vedio. How to resolve tailstock run out. Thank you
If you can add a cut off to the video would be greatly appreciated, see I have an alarm after the transfer machine will not feed to start cut off can cycle, (TRANSFER) (TO SUB-SPINDLE) N5000G53G28B0 M14 G30U0V0 G30W0 M34 M134 G0T0808(CUT-OFF TOOL /3MM .118) G54(P.R.C-B-ORIGEN) G0Z.0 M8 M5P11 M5P13 M110 M131 (SUB-CHUCK CAN BE UNCLAMP INTERLOCK BYPASS) M169 G4U1.5 M116 G97S300M213P11(SYNC BOTH SPINDLES CW) M14 M114 G0B1.0 M86 (TORQUE SKIP FUNCTION ON) (G31P99)G1G98B0F20.(PICKUP PART LOCATION) M87(TORQUE FUNCTION OFF) M168 G4U1.5 M31 (MAIN SPINDLE CAN BE UNCLAMP INTERLOCK BYPASS) M69 (MAIN SPINDLE OPEN FOR BAR PULL) G4U1.5 G1G98B1.250F20.(PULL OUT FOR CUTOFF )(B=OAL + CUTOFF TOOL WIDTH + FACE STOCK=1.25) M68 M15 M115 G4U1.5 G0X1.5 M8(X CLEAR) G50S1250 G96S175 X.625 G1G99X.575F.006 G75R.01 G75X.25 P1000F.0014 G0X.6 G4U3.0 G1X.265F.006 G75R.01 G75X.030P1000F.001 G0X1.500(X CLEAR) G350(CUTOFF DETECTION) G53G28B0 (HOMING B AXIS) G30U0V0 G30W0 M5P11 M5P13 M9 M01
It seems you just need to change your G54 to G55. To set up your G55, call up one of your sub spindle tools (T0232) in mdi. Jog it toward the sub spindle and use a gage block or something to set your work G55 position.
I love that you're making more videos. This is of major interest to me!
I watched this one twice. Thank you for the lathe content
Excellent video. We have just purchased this machine and I have been getting to grips with it. Great machine. We also have the Puma 2600 LM with programmable steady and tail stock, also a great machine.
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Nice! Thank you
We need a video showing the M600 used to set the phase synchronization for spindle 2 to spindle 1.
Part is machined in side 1 to an odd shape and a machined set of pads/jaws on side 2 will synch and move over part using m213 for cutoff and transfer.
The manual is terrible and directions given to set the paramaters at 4034 using m600 do not work.
Thank you for the super useful videos Mark! I would really like to see a video showing hot to set up tool load monitoring on Fanuc Legacy controls. We have a few Doosan machines and your videos make the learning curve much more manageable. The machine I'm wanting to add TLM to is our MX1600ST.
Thanks Troy! I appreciate the feedback. Titan has covered how to set this up on lathes. I will look at us doing one for a mill type set up. As for the MX you are planning on adding, you will absolutely love it! The Titan link is here: ua-cam.com/video/ZbepcxJAiOs/v-deo.html
I have two questions:
How is the B axis defined here? Is there a B shift set for your main spindle WCS so that the face of the jaws on the sub chuck read Z0. when they are flush with the main spindle's Z0.? If you had a different sub chuck or different jaws how would you account for that Z change? I suspect there are a couple of ways you could do it, but I'm not sure what is happening in the video. After the handoff, you would likely send B home and do the sub spindle turning in that position with its own work shift?
You can do it in a few different ways. Either call a machine B position which you measure the way he showed in the video initially I.e. B-XX.XX from G28 G53 B0. home or you can set your B in your G54. I think it is easiest at first to just call a machine position but once you start using G54 Z 0. off of your chuck it becomes much easier to reference your B the same way. That is how they showed it being called when they were going over the code later in the video.
It would be great to have a video on setting up parts ejector, air blast, Parts catcher, coolant flush and setting parts counters/ limiting part runs to certain quantities. A video for lathe accessories and tying this video together for full automation.
Great suggestion! We take all suggestions into account when planning next videos.
uuhm i don't the machine is going to like the M87 before the M168 and M69. If you had softjaws with a certain depth and actually use the M86 function to push the part against the jaws the machine will crash the b-axis into the main spindle and thow an emergency stop in your face if you program an M87 over there. I always program the M87 after transfer but before the returning of the b-axis to home.
if 2085 Interference Alarm (X & B axis) appears after power off. what is the procedure to move the axis?
I would like to see a video hand off with sync C Zero both spindles for a Doosan Puma 2100SYii
you should provide all machine manual pdf file at your website so people can download it (like hass does)
How do you sync a part with a hex? from the main collet to the sub? im using a collet closer on the main and sub. rather than a jaw. im maching a round bar stock to a .750 hex size. the sub has a .750 hex collet. we tried using this program to sync our part and had no luck.
Im going to try having both spindles stopped and set my c axis to C0.0 and then approach the part and clamp it and then start the spindles at the same time in a "sync" if thats possible.
it would be great if you make some videos about lathe machine
We are planning on those happening next year.
Looks fine, but the problem is, that there's shown a transfer to the right chuck with a through jaws. But, what about a jaws, which are bored to a certain depth, and the part has to lean firmly against the back wall? For example, I'm machining a 9mm thick flange, and after the first side is done, I have to transfer it to the right chuck with a jaws, which are bored 6mm deep, firmly to the back wall of this 6mm bore. Isn't there going to be an emergency stop due to the overload, or any artifacts on the workpiece by itself? I'm working in a workshop, where we are often using a bored jaws for both sides of a workpiece, but all our machines are single-spindled, and I was always curious, how it works on a two-spindle machines. Also, what about any radial/axial runouts after the transfer?
So here is how I would do that. All you need to know is the correct pick off position for that part with it up against the back wall. Obviously, without the right spindle running, I would hand wheel the jaws up to my part and use a .001" shim to gauge the position of my part to my right spindle jaws. Whatever that number is, it would go in to your G1G98BXX.XX F25.0 line. That is your pickoff position. I would run that pick off program just like it sat and test run it. Once it picked off the part, I would stop the machine and check the part to back wall distance with shims. If that flange was not all the way against the bored back wall of your sub-spindle jaws, I would move the B axis by -.001" and do this again until I was satisfied with it's position. You will have to "sneak up" on it. If you do this correctly, you should not get any kind of alarm. Your back reference surface of your jaws is just a contact surface. Once it's against it, it can't go any further. All of the holding forces are in the jaws. I realize a 9mm flange is thin, so you don't want to put a ton of force on it anyway.
On dual spindle machines you set the force that you want the sub spindle to push at, with a G31 skip move as soon as the force is met the jaws will close and the program will continue. The runout will be very minimal and repeatable as well.
we just received one of those. Machine is great easy to use, but got confusingly too much menu to do the same thing and the interference points are a joke. Having the machine in setup mode while moving turret towards part in sub still need to hold down the blue button to be able to move. setting up made so difficult because of that.
Just m110 and interference zones are ignored.
What is the benefit in doing the hand off with both chucks spinning vs doing the hand off with the chucks stopped?
The chucks have to spin to sync the C axis, so just to save time we go ahead and hand the part off with them spinning. You can sync the chucks, stop them, hand off the part and restart them, but that takes up time.
Can you show a video of how to automatically set your G54 and G55
Julio, we have this one in the que to be filmed. Thank you for the suggestion!
better to make an own macro for this?
something like:
(*** PART TRANSFER LEFT TO RIGHT SPINDLE ****)
G65 P123 A0.5 (approach pos) B-2.97 (grip pos) C2. (pullout pos)
Would someone please explain what the lower torque skip situation is all about? I have no idea.
That is the torque skip signal for the sub-spindle. It get's cancelled before you clamp with the sub-spindle, otherwise you get an alarm.
@@markchristopher5809 Ok, I get that part. But what is the mechanics of a torque signal. How does it function? Reads amps for rotation when it shouldn't be there?
May i ask, How much cost LYNX 235ll and LYNX 2105LY? Thanks in advance.
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I really appreciate this kind of content. It makes me more comfortable making a large investment in a new machine. I'm about to sign for a new LYNX 2100LSYA. I would love to see a video on how to setup tool breakage detection so I can run it unattended.
The tool arm is manual! I was pissed when we got ours installed…😡
@@stevestrange8130 Yes! The sales guy promised me it was automatic. I had even asked about that specifically since I noticed the brochure said the opposite. I just figured it was being built with the auto arm. Get it in writing and never trust a sales guy.
Dear doosan team
I am Raghvendra singh from india 🇮🇳
I have A question for your team.
How to solve tailstock run out . This problem come again to again.
Please make a vedio. How to resolve tailstock run out.
Thank you
If you can add a cut off to the video would be greatly appreciated, see I have an alarm after the transfer machine will not feed to start cut off can cycle,
(TRANSFER)
(TO SUB-SPINDLE)
N5000G53G28B0
M14
G30U0V0
G30W0
M34
M134
G0T0808(CUT-OFF TOOL /3MM .118)
G54(P.R.C-B-ORIGEN)
G0Z.0 M8
M5P11
M5P13
M110
M131 (SUB-CHUCK CAN BE UNCLAMP INTERLOCK BYPASS)
M169
G4U1.5
M116
G97S300M213P11(SYNC BOTH SPINDLES CW)
M14
M114
G0B1.0
M86 (TORQUE SKIP FUNCTION ON)
(G31P99)G1G98B0F20.(PICKUP PART LOCATION)
M87(TORQUE FUNCTION OFF)
M168
G4U1.5
M31 (MAIN SPINDLE CAN BE UNCLAMP INTERLOCK BYPASS)
M69 (MAIN SPINDLE OPEN FOR BAR PULL)
G4U1.5
G1G98B1.250F20.(PULL OUT FOR CUTOFF )(B=OAL + CUTOFF TOOL WIDTH + FACE STOCK=1.25)
M68
M15
M115
G4U1.5
G0X1.5 M8(X CLEAR)
G50S1250
G96S175
X.625
G1G99X.575F.006
G75R.01
G75X.25 P1000F.0014
G0X.6
G4U3.0
G1X.265F.006
G75R.01
G75X.030P1000F.001
G0X1.500(X CLEAR)
G350(CUTOFF DETECTION)
G53G28B0 (HOMING B AXIS)
G30U0V0
G30W0
M5P11
M5P13
M9
M01
Victor, thanks for the feedback. Please see my example program below and give it a try.
N09(PART TRANSFER CUT-OFF)
N30T0303 (.205 Cut Off Tool)
G0G54Z.235 (Pre-position move for cut)
M110(Interference Check Turn Off)
M131 (Right Chuck Interlock By-Pass)
M169 (Right Chuck Unclamp)
G0G54B.5 (Approach position)
M86 (Lower Axis Torque Skip)
G1G98B-1.69 F25.0 (Position move to clamp on)
M87 (Lower Axis Torque Skip Cancel)
M168 (Right Chuck Clamp)
M31 (Left Chuck Interlock By-Pass)
M69 (Left Chuck Unclamp)
G1G98B1.075F100. (B Axis Pulling Stock)
M68 (Left Chuck Clamp)
G4X3.0 (Position Move 1/2" off diameter)
M31 (Left Chuck Interlock By-Pass)
M131 (Right Chuck Interlock By-Pass)
M169 (Right Chuck Un-Clamp)
G97M213S800P11 (Spindle Forward Synch Command)
G99 (Feed Per Revolution)
M168 (Right Chuck Clamp)
G0X2.6 (Position Move Befor Cut)
M8 (Coolant On)
G1X-.03F.007 (Cutting Part)
G0X5.0 (Rapid Out)
M9 (Coolant Off)
M205P11 (Spindle Synch Stop)
G28B0.0
G28X0.0
It seems you just need to change your G54 to G55. To set up your G55, call up one of your sub spindle tools (T0232) in mdi. Jog it toward the sub spindle and use a gage block or something to set your work G55 position.