I think those kind of over the top lyrics were exactly what brian was looking for in terms of smile, which itself was over the top musically. it's a completely cerebral psychedelic album.
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Aaaaaaaah, he's just great. Ahead of his time (absolute contrast to Mike Love), but with a nostalgic charming style - he's just THE MAN. I'm going to see him live again in Berlin in november 2009, yippie!
When it comes to lyrical contributions to music, VDP deserves the MVP as far as I'm concerned. And he's a talented musician too. I agree that he showed off his style like the true gentleman that he is and restrained himself from lambasting Mike Love. I'm not saying Mike Love didn't deserve it. He did. Big time.
That's such a bummer. "Over and over the crow cries uncover the cornfield". Maybe by itself it doesn't mean much, but in the context the song "Cabinessence" it helps to illustrate the feeling of western expansion and the idea of the beauty of living on the plains. Like with the line "I'll give you a home on the range". It's looking back at a time when that was looked at as a kind of utopia. I wish they would've really defended themselves against that bastard Mike Love!
I remember reading in Laura Ingalls Wilder's " The Long Winter" how a flock of blackbirds came and decimated the family's field of very young corn ears in one afternoon. So I know exactly what " over and over the crow cries uncover the cornfield" means.
@@paulamiles9559Paula, that’s interesting, revealing. It’s hard to imagine Van Dyke didn’t know that. I guess he chose to just it get into it with Mike. Maybe he was just put off by Mike being so demanding and concrete.
I agree with you. But Mike Love did some great things in The Beach Boys. In a group of that size, you’re gong to have people with different aesthetic tastes and dispositions.
@written12 van is a diva. Quote " ( explaining lyrics) sure is tedious." You don't question the poet. Mike insists on playing the clod - the " "regular guy" - not an intellectual.
@@paulamiles9559 good point about Van’s irritation with even being questioned about his art. For us fans, the very different chemicals that Van and Mike were led to wonderful mix.
Just because lyrics aren't easily understood or have multiple meanings doesn't make it far out there or whatever. VDP's words were actual poetry, art. Look at the songs of the Beatles from 1967, Mike Love would have objected to those, only Lennon and McCartney would have rightly kicked him out of the band
This guy blows my mind!!! There's another clip from this same interview and I don't know what the hell he's talking about or trying to say in either clip!! He was definately functioning on a different plane in those days. I've seen more current interviews and he's completely lucid and understandable.
@PashtarStew Instead they released an even wierder album called Smiley Smile. For some reason, I think Mike would've prefered Smile. I don't think he had as much power as people say. He had reservations about Pet Sounds and that came out. The reason Smile didn't come out is because of insecurities in Brian's head that weren't there before 1967.
canvas the town and brush the backdrop. Are you sleeping? A blind class aristrocracy Back thru the opra' glass you see The pin and the pendulum drawn. By god, by god...
@11jupitercowboy8 - re: defending themselves against Mike Love -- it wasn't so much "they" as it was Brian. The band was ambivalent about SMiLE, Mike Love was adamant, and Brian caved. He was thoroughly demoralized by their lack of support for what he felt was going to be his masterpiece. Yes, it was a bummer. Took another 40 years before the thing got its proper due. But it did! For this, we can be glad. Van Dyke and Brian are kindred spirits who have made beautiful music together.
Wow man, I never realized you replied to my comment as 11jupitercowboy8. 9 years ago now :p Anyway, same guy here. Anyway, I've been back on a Brian Wilson trip lately. Ding whitty pearl, hang ten!
He’s trying to say he didn’t understand the surfer lingo of their old lyrics just as much as Mike love didn’t understand his Smile. Two lyricists at odds
A couple questions arise from this clip. One: is Van Dyke a little light in his loafers or what? Not that it matters, I'm just wondering since I don't think anyone's brought it up (and yeah, I KNOW he's been married... that's meaningless). The second question: is his shirt painted on here? Also, he seems like he might be high because his voice is harsh. Not that it matters. Usually that's a sign of opiates. Also, Mike is forgiven because of "All I Wanna Do" and "Big Sur" (original version).
Van Dyke Parks is far from a genius. He's great with word play for sure; however, his lyrics have little meaning compared to Tony Asher's. Van Dyke Parks' lyrics were pretty pretentious and he was trying too hard to be really cerebral, but Tony Asher seemed to just connect with Brian's music and turned of his mind and wrote with his heart. it all comes down to personal opinion in the end. I'm ok with obscure lyrics, but VDP's were a little over the top.
Visionary composer and poet.
I really want to write a song called "Ding Woody Pearl, Hang-Ten" now.
Like him or not, you have to admit he was and still is a brilliant musical arranger and composer. Orange Crate Art.
I think those kind of over the top lyrics were exactly what brian was looking for in terms of smile, which itself was over the top musically. it's a completely cerebral psychedelic album.
Aaaaaaaah, he's just great. Ahead of his time (absolute contrast to Mike Love), but with a nostalgic charming style - he's just THE MAN. I'm going to see him live again in Berlin in november 2009, yippie!
When it comes to lyrical contributions to music, VDP deserves the MVP as far as I'm concerned. And he's a talented musician too. I agree that he showed off his style like the true gentleman that he is and restrained himself from lambasting Mike Love. I'm not saying Mike Love didn't deserve it. He did. Big time.
That's such a bummer. "Over and over the crow cries uncover the cornfield". Maybe by itself it doesn't mean much, but in the context the song "Cabinessence" it helps to illustrate the feeling of western expansion and the idea of the beauty of living on the plains. Like with the line "I'll give you a home on the range". It's looking back at a time when that was looked at as a kind of utopia. I wish they would've really defended themselves against that bastard Mike Love!
I remember reading in Laura Ingalls Wilder's " The Long Winter" how a flock of blackbirds came and decimated the family's field of very young corn ears in one afternoon. So I know exactly what " over and over the crow cries uncover the cornfield" means.
@@paulamiles9559Paula, that’s interesting, revealing. It’s hard to imagine Van Dyke didn’t know that. I guess he chose to just it get into it with Mike. Maybe he was just put off by Mike being so demanding and concrete.
I agree with you. But Mike Love did some great things in The Beach Boys. In a group of that size, you’re gong to have people with different aesthetic tastes and dispositions.
@written12 van is a diva. Quote " ( explaining lyrics) sure is tedious." You don't question the poet. Mike insists on playing the clod - the " "regular guy" - not an intellectual.
@@paulamiles9559 good point about Van’s irritation with even being questioned about his art.
For us fans, the very different chemicals that Van and Mike were led to wonderful mix.
I had to watch this twice...what a place for an interview
Just because lyrics aren't easily understood or have multiple meanings doesn't make it far out there or whatever. VDP's words were actual poetry, art. Look at the songs of the Beatles from 1967, Mike Love would have objected to those, only Lennon and McCartney would have rightly kicked him out of the band
This guy blows my mind!!! There's another clip from this same interview and I don't know what the hell he's talking about or trying to say in either clip!! He was definately functioning on a different plane in those days. I've seen more current interviews and he's completely lucid and understandable.
talking about mike love getting pissed at him for writing a song called cabin essence
The dude was from mississippi I dont even think he would be gay if he wanted to
@Cloudsandsteps The interview with VDP is from "The Beach Boys An American Band" which is available on DVD.
very cool it was those days on Sunset Strip in West Hollywood. Tower records is no more.
It's taken from the movie called "The Beach Boys - An American Band".
@PashtarStew
Instead they released an even wierder album called Smiley Smile. For some reason, I think Mike would've prefered Smile. I don't think he had as much power as people say. He had reservations about Pet Sounds and that came out. The reason Smile didn't come out is because of insecurities in Brian's head that weren't there before 1967.
oh lovey
@Cloudsandsteps
This sequence is also part of the "American Band" documentary produced in the early 80s.
Downhome deadpan waggery. Love the Nilsson vest!
Google the photo of him as he is now where he is wearing a bow-tie.
He looks just like President Theodore Roosevelt!
The man has aged gracefully...
@Cloudsandsteps It's not from I just wasn't made for these times. It's actually from The Beach Boys: An American Band from 1985.
he's been married twice and has kids, that's a lot of work just to stay closeted if you ask me
oh yeah?
He’s not gay, he’s just southern
people need to stop saying hes gay lmao
@@officialFredDurstfanclub Or maybe he's bisexual. People think can only be gay or straight.
*AHHHHH THEY SHOULDA JUST RELEASED WHAT THEY HAD OF SMiLE*
Tower Records...sigh...
canvas the town and brush the backdrop. Are you sleeping?
A blind class aristrocracy
Back thru the opra' glass you see
The pin and the pendulum drawn. By god, by god...
@dumbangel21 Naw.
@PashtarStew have you got that documentary? I can't find it online anywhere
@11jupitercowboy8 - re: defending themselves against Mike Love -- it wasn't so much "they" as it was Brian. The band was ambivalent about SMiLE, Mike Love was adamant, and Brian caved. He was thoroughly demoralized by their lack of support for what he felt was going to be his masterpiece. Yes, it was a bummer. Took another 40 years before the thing got its proper due. But it did! For this, we can be glad. Van Dyke and Brian are kindred spirits who have made beautiful music together.
Wow man, I never realized you replied to my comment as 11jupitercowboy8. 9 years ago now :p Anyway, same guy here. Anyway, I've been back on a Brian Wilson trip lately. Ding whitty pearl, hang ten!
I do not have time for this whimsy.
"ding witty pearl hang ten". What is that all about?
He’s trying to say he didn’t understand the surfer lingo of their old lyrics just as much as Mike love didn’t understand his Smile. Two lyricists at odds
ding woody pearl hang ten
A couple questions arise from this clip.
One: is Van Dyke a little light in his loafers or what? Not that it matters, I'm just wondering since I don't think anyone's brought it up (and yeah, I KNOW he's been married... that's meaningless).
The second question: is his shirt painted on here?
Also, he seems like he might be high because his voice is harsh. Not that it matters. Usually that's a sign of opiates.
Also, Mike is forgiven because of "All I Wanna Do" and "Big Sur" (original version).
Van Dyke Parks is far from a genius. He's great with word play for sure; however, his lyrics have little meaning compared to Tony Asher's. Van Dyke Parks' lyrics were pretty pretentious and he was trying too hard to be really cerebral, but Tony Asher seemed to just connect with Brian's music and turned of his mind and wrote with his heart. it all comes down to personal opinion in the end. I'm ok with obscure lyrics, but VDP's were a little over the top.
8R014V he's defintely a musical genius if you've ever heard the things he does with orchestra- i can see why someone say the lyrics are obscure though
No Van, they did not throw the lyrics away. This is just one of your first - in a long line of - fabricated stories.
Well, I mean, they kind of did. SMiLE was scrapped entirely. So he's in the right to say that.