@@MohammedMohammed-gk1oythat's a very pathetic motherboard and I wouldn't do that, if you have cash to buy i9 - you can buy a decent motherboard as well.
It's interesting to see that this comparison is almost entirely about cache. 2697 v3 has more, but there's another big difference: Xeon E5 v4 and earlier uses the ring bus, just like Intels mainstream desktop has since sandy bridge. However, LGA 2066, 3647 and later uses mesh architecture. Mesh gives (almost) the same latency for every core to every other core, but ring gives much better latency for cores that are physically closer in the CPU die. Most programs don't really care, but some games really hate mesh. If you look at reviews for 10980xe (for example) you can also see this pattern. 10980xe gets completely stomped by 9900k in some games, but it's almost identical in others.
I recently built a system using the Lenovo P520 with a W-2175, 32GB quad-channel RAM, and a RX 6950XT. I also have another system with a E5-2697 V3; both of these are 14-core. In my experience, with the W-2175, I get way better performance in games. The 6950XT doesn’t feel overpowered in any way for the W-2175. I don’t play competitively, so I don’t care for crazy FPS numbers. I'm fine with 120+, which I get in most games. And if I don’t, most of the time, the GPU is the limit. I really enjoy your videos thanks for the content.
It's a weird comparison. The W-2175 price costs more than E5-2697 V3, motherboard, RAM, SSD, and cooler. With this budget I would much rather pick i5-12400F with far superior gaming performance.
I agree i5-12400F makes sense for most people, I was able to get the system for cheap, Significantly cheaper than a system with a i5-12400F. Also I don't think the W-2175 is way more pricier than a W-2150B for what I have seen on ebay.
@@kvathxHow cheap exactly? The retail version aka 7940x cost way lesser on ebay than the w2175 and if u know how you can probably source a 7940x qs version for $100. Only real issue is mobo price but u can find it occasionally for $50
@lmchua8644 I paid around $170 for the cpu and $160 for a P520, it was a good value since it came with a 900W enough to run my RX 6950 XT. Maybe not the best deal out there.
Cant bring myself to part with the x99 platform. Getting thunderbolt isnt worth leaving for me as the external cards dont work on the platform. In high threadcount applications they win the price to performance and can run a 3080ti.
That sucks. I was hoping full quad ram would help the 50B's results. Did you have these results with spectre patch and whatnot disabled like the other vid? I'm looking at a P920 on the cheap locally (hexa-ram, apparently) and apparently multi cpu configs cause an even greater hit even if the ram slots for each are fill with six each. Thanks for all these vids & info.
Yes, the inspectre was applied, so the patches were disabled. Dual CPU configuration is known for horrible gaming performance in general, with any platform.
Thank you for this video, I was looking at upgrading from a Xeon 2670 on X79 to a Lenovo P520 with a 2135. I will be mostly doing video editing and graphic design work using a GTX1080 GPU and light gaming (I have a 12800HX 3070Ti laptop for heavy gaming). I was googling around to see if I could put a 2150B or 2140B as they're massively cheaper than the 2145 or 2155 CPUs. Do you happen to have any benchmarks for CPU-based workloads, like video or photo editing?
Is in Lenovo P520 can we install W-2150B or w-2140B without any modification in BIOS? Because I think both were for Apple systems there may be a change in processor ID... Second question is Lenovo P520 machine with w-2150B compatible with Windows 11?
In my case the answer is yes for both questions. W-2150B booted with no BIOS updates or tweaks and Windows 11 didn't ask any extra questions. Still, I can't guarantee that each and every unit will be the same.
Your cat is extremely fluffy like my cat is. We named him Woolley Cattoth(as in Woolley Mammoth but its a cat). Even has a very similar face too. Does your cat insist on walking across your keyboard or inspecting everything you touch whenever you are working on computers?
@Miyconst sounds like he's testing your keyboards N-key rollover capabilities. 😄 Mine is always trying to walk all over my work area when he wants attention, and I am to focused working on my pc's. Its the worst when I currently am applying thermal paste and mounting a heatsink cause i worry about hair getting stuck between the cpu and cooler. 🤦♂️
Interesting.... I wonder if my delidded oveclocked at 4.6 Ghz all core i9 7980XE is worse for gaming than a 2697 V3 by looking at these results 😅 Miyconst, can you input something about this?
Хороший контент. Но Xeon 2100 серии имеет все недостатки архитектуры Core i9-7000 (SkyLake) серии для платформы 2066 благодаря экспериментам Интел с их MESH.
Thank you for the videos on this Thinkstation P520. I recently picked one up for cheap with the Xeon W-2145, along with 8 cheap sticks of 8GB DDR4-2933 (which of course is running at 2666 CL19 in this system). If it wasn't so cheap, I would probably be quite disappointed -- but it's not bad for the money I've got into it. I watched through both of your videos on this, and I noticed your W-2150B doesn't seem to boost higher than 3800 MHz (I think I saw it reach 4100 just once over the course of your footage), when it should be able to reach a theoretical 4500. After changing a few options in Throttlestop, my W-2145 (same 4.5 GHz turbo frequency "on paper") measures at 4295 MHz using Afterburner/RivaTuner while playing Counterstrike 2. I'm not sure how much of a difference this makes in the grand scheme of things, but it might be worth your time to look at.
Thanks for the info! I tried to play with ThrottleStop to no avail with my CPU but maybe I did something wrong. Anyway.. I no longer have the workstation thus I can't retest it.
Hello bro, Help me please. I unlocked the turbo boost on my 2640v3 using your video a few months ago, but now I've got a 2680v4, and it's not working on my mobo, even after resetting the CMOS. Do you know how to restore my motherboard's BIOS to its original settings or have a tutorial for that? (Motherboard Qiyida E5-H9 Newer variant)
It would be interesting to see how the p520 compares to a ryzen build. The r5 2600 and a320 motherboards are dirt cheap these days so I'm guessing it would probably cost the same to assemble a ryzen system than getting a prebuilt like the p520.
Може вас зацікавить, на аліку є такі матері x99 IPM99-VK, цікаво на що вони здатні у порівнянні між китайськими аналогами і брендовими типу МSI, чи є сенс брати такі ОЕМ рішення, ціна зараз +\- 2600грн.
@@Miyconst крутяк! У мене не піднялась рука її замовити, відгуків немає, жодної інформації які процесори і пам'ять вона переварює та які можливості має її біос. Думаю це буде цікавий і корисний огляд. Дякую.
@@Miyconst in my country i am getting lenovo p510 and p520 with the above mentioned processors for the same prices of 30k which converted from pkr to usd is around 120$
@@Miyconst what would you pick to get best bang for your buck getting both systems at the same price with mainly maximum fps for games probably fps games
@@Miyconst What if I said to you - that the end of X99 won't be performance based? It will be when there is a shift where instruction code in too many thing no longer work on the processors. Once you can't actually run things = the end. I think the performance will carry it until that point overtakes it. And while I can buy a board, mem, and cpu for £60, it will remain a budget builder option (IMHO!)
Yup, that very well could happen, just like it happened with X79 that's next to irrelevant these days due to the lack of instructions and motherboard pricing.
x99 ftw ❤
Hello .
I have
H610
Can i run i7 13700T ?
It takes only 35W
And maximum 106W
Can i run without vram temp problems?
It really depends on what H610 motherboard you have.
@@Miyconst
Gigabyte h610 DSH2
@@MohammedMohammed-gk1oythat's a very pathetic motherboard and I wouldn't do that, if you have cash to buy i9 - you can buy a decent motherboard as well.
@@Miyconst
Thank you really much 🙏
It's interesting to see that this comparison is almost entirely about cache. 2697 v3 has more, but there's another big difference:
Xeon E5 v4 and earlier uses the ring bus, just like Intels mainstream desktop has since sandy bridge. However, LGA 2066, 3647 and later uses mesh architecture.
Mesh gives (almost) the same latency for every core to every other core, but ring gives much better latency for cores that are physically closer in the CPU die.
Most programs don't really care, but some games really hate mesh. If you look at reviews for 10980xe (for example) you can also see this pattern. 10980xe gets completely stomped by 9900k in some games, but it's almost identical in others.
Yeah, mesh thing is a questionable decision, I mentioned it in the previous video about P520.
I recently built a system using the Lenovo P520 with a W-2175, 32GB quad-channel RAM, and a RX 6950XT. I also have another system with a E5-2697 V3; both of these are 14-core. In my experience, with the W-2175, I get way better performance in games. The 6950XT doesn’t feel overpowered in any way for the W-2175. I don’t play competitively, so I don’t care for crazy FPS numbers. I'm fine with 120+, which I get in most games. And if I don’t, most of the time, the GPU is the limit. I really enjoy your videos thanks for the content.
It's a weird comparison. The W-2175 price costs more than E5-2697 V3, motherboard, RAM, SSD, and cooler. With this budget I would much rather pick i5-12400F with far superior gaming performance.
I agree i5-12400F makes sense for most people, I was able to get the system for cheap, Significantly cheaper than a system with a i5-12400F. Also I don't think the W-2175 is way more pricier than a W-2150B for what I have seen on ebay.
@@kvathxHow cheap exactly? The retail version aka 7940x cost way lesser on ebay than the w2175 and if u know how you can probably source a 7940x qs version for $100.
Only real issue is mobo price but u can find it occasionally for $50
@lmchua8644 I paid around $170 for the cpu and $160 for a P520, it was a good value since it came with a 900W enough to run my RX 6950 XT. Maybe not the best deal out there.
Very technical and detailed as always. Hope you get better !!
Cant bring myself to part with the x99 platform. Getting thunderbolt isnt worth leaving for me as the external cards dont work on the platform. In high threadcount applications they win the price to performance and can run a 3080ti.
So is this a pre-cursor for chinese boards in 2066 socket being pathetic?
Chinese motherboards are pathetic regardless. 😂
That sucks. I was hoping full quad ram would help the 50B's results. Did you have these results with spectre patch and whatnot disabled like the other vid?
I'm looking at a P920 on the cheap locally (hexa-ram, apparently) and apparently multi cpu configs cause an even greater hit even if the ram slots for each are fill with six each.
Thanks for all these vids & info.
Yes, the inspectre was applied, so the patches were disabled. Dual CPU configuration is known for horrible gaming performance in general, with any platform.
and the conclusion is once again, either haswell or alder lake, Intel 14nm was trash.
It all comes down to the price, if the 14nm offerings become price-competitive, it's still a viable alternative.
Thank you for this video, I was looking at upgrading from a Xeon 2670 on X79 to a Lenovo P520 with a 2135. I will be mostly doing video editing and graphic design work using a GTX1080 GPU and light gaming (I have a 12800HX 3070Ti laptop for heavy gaming). I was googling around to see if I could put a 2150B or 2140B as they're massively cheaper than the 2145 or 2155 CPUs. Do you happen to have any benchmarks for CPU-based workloads, like video or photo editing?
I don't have any more benchmarks, sorry; in general, W-2150B will be considerably faster than X79's E5-2670.
What xeon series can defeat 1xxx and 2xxx???
At competitice price? and performance in games likes 5600g 5600x
5600g and 5600x deliver very different gaming performance, thus you need to pick one for comparison with Xeons.
Is in Lenovo P520 can we install W-2150B or w-2140B without any modification in BIOS? Because I think both were for Apple systems there may be a change in processor ID...
Second question is Lenovo P520 machine with w-2150B compatible with Windows 11?
In my case the answer is yes for both questions. W-2150B booted with no BIOS updates or tweaks and Windows 11 didn't ask any extra questions. Still, I can't guarantee that each and every unit will be the same.
@@MiyconstI appreciate you for quick and to the point reply. Thanks 😊
Your cat is extremely fluffy like my cat is.
We named him Woolley Cattoth(as in Woolley Mammoth but its a cat).
Even has a very similar face too.
Does your cat insist on walking across your keyboard or inspecting everything you touch whenever you are working on computers?
Mine doesn't walk over keyboard, but he loves to get into PCs I build and sometimes sleeps on my keyboard.
@Miyconst sounds like he's testing your keyboards N-key rollover capabilities. 😄
Mine is always trying to walk all over my work area when he wants attention, and I am to focused working on my pc's.
Its the worst when I currently am applying thermal paste and mounting a heatsink cause i worry about hair getting stuck between the cpu and cooler. 🤦♂️
Yeah.. sometimes I open a new box and find some of his fluff. 😺
Interesting.... I wonder if my delidded oveclocked at 4.6 Ghz all core i9 7980XE is worse for gaming than a 2697 V3 by looking at these results 😅 Miyconst, can you input something about this?
Just run some gaming tests and see how it goes. No need to guess or wonder.
@@Miyconst but sir, I only have a legendary GTX 1080ti 🤣
the cat is just awesome
Thanks, I love him. 🐈🐈
Хороший контент. Но Xeon 2100 серии имеет все недостатки архитектуры Core i9-7000 (SkyLake) серии для платформы 2066 благодаря экспериментам Интел с их MESH.
Thank you for the videos on this Thinkstation P520. I recently picked one up for cheap with the Xeon W-2145, along with 8 cheap sticks of 8GB DDR4-2933 (which of course is running at 2666 CL19 in this system). If it wasn't so cheap, I would probably be quite disappointed -- but it's not bad for the money I've got into it.
I watched through both of your videos on this, and I noticed your W-2150B doesn't seem to boost higher than 3800 MHz (I think I saw it reach 4100 just once over the course of your footage), when it should be able to reach a theoretical 4500.
After changing a few options in Throttlestop, my W-2145 (same 4.5 GHz turbo frequency "on paper") measures at 4295 MHz using Afterburner/RivaTuner while playing Counterstrike 2. I'm not sure how much of a difference this makes in the grand scheme of things, but it might be worth your time to look at.
Thanks for the info! I tried to play with ThrottleStop to no avail with my CPU but maybe I did something wrong. Anyway.. I no longer have the workstation thus I can't retest it.
Hello bro, Help me please. I unlocked the turbo boost on my 2640v3 using your video a few months ago, but now I've got a 2680v4, and it's not working on my mobo, even after resetting the CMOS. Do you know how to restore my motherboard's BIOS to its original settings or have a tutorial for that? (Motherboard Qiyida E5-H9 Newer variant)
You have to flash the original non modified BIOS.
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 memories work on Xeon 2678v3 with Huananzhi X99 TF?
It depends on memory layout.
Friend, the xeon e5 v3 works better in Windows 10 or 11, which one would be to install on my x99 system
Performance is the same, but if you install Windows 11 you will have issues with apps that require TPM, so I recommend Windows 10.
hey man there's a reddit thread about a guy delidding a 2600 cpu and getting 20 degrees less in temp. have u ever experimented with this>
I see no point in bothering with delidding since the temps are already good enough, unless I misunderstood what CPU you talk about.
It would be interesting to see how the p520 compares to a ryzen build. The r5 2600 and a320 motherboards are dirt cheap these days so I'm guessing it would probably cost the same to assemble a ryzen system than getting a prebuilt like the p520.
Can i pair ecc ddr4 rams with Ryzen 5 5600 cpu??
Yes and no. Ryzen CPUs work with ECC RAM, but don't work with ECC REG RAM.
Thx for the informations.
Може вас зацікавить, на аліку є такі матері x99 IPM99-VK, цікаво на що вони здатні у порівнянні між китайськими аналогами і брендовими типу МSI, чи є сенс брати такі ОЕМ рішення, ціна зараз +\- 2600грн.
Не повіриш, але я сьогодні замовив собі таку на огляд.
@@Miyconst крутяк! У мене не піднялась рука її замовити, відгуків немає, жодної інформації які процесори і пам'ять вона переварює та які можливості має її біос. Думаю це буде цікавий і корисний огляд. Дякую.
I have two options
W2123 or e5 2640 v4. What do you guys recommend for longevity and future proofing
You didn't specify the pricing and the target usage. Non of the options are "future proof".
@@Miyconst i play mostly warzone 2 and battlefield 2042 was using i7 4770
To me both are same price in my country e5 2640 v4 and w2123
@@ThrottleNation. the CPU might cost the same, but not the motherboard. Do you have access to cheap C422 motherboards?
@@Miyconst in my country i am getting lenovo p510 and p520 with the above mentioned processors for the same prices of 30k which converted from pkr to usd is around 120$
@@Miyconst what would you pick to get best bang for your buck getting both systems at the same price with mainly maximum fps for games probably fps games
❤
Do you still reccomend xeon v2 cpu with x79 for some normal games like call of duty , battlefield games (not for multiplayer)
No, the price is identical to X99, so the V3 is the obvious choice.
X99 not dead yet ;P
The key word here is "yet".
@@Miyconst
What if I said to you - that the end of X99 won't be performance based?
It will be when there is a shift where instruction code in too many thing no longer work on the processors. Once you can't actually run things = the end.
I think the performance will carry it until that point overtakes it. And while I can buy a board, mem, and cpu for £60, it will remain a budget builder option (IMHO!)
Yup, that very well could happen, just like it happened with X79 that's next to irrelevant these days due to the lack of instructions and motherboard pricing.