I’ve said it once & I’ll continually say it - homeschooling my kids has been one of THE BEST parenting decisions I’ve ever made! Not just as a defense against the crooked ways of the world, but because it’s so deeply fulfilling and rewarding. There are so many beneficial fruits to doing life the homeschooling way! Hearing this discussion just reinforces my choice to homeschool my kids. Thanks for all the insight & perspectives you both shared!
It certainly was the best decision you could have made...an eternal one. Hopefully your example will carry on through your children. At least until we get this cleaned up...and we will. But it will be hard work and a lot of dedicated people watching carefully...
This is always been a world of lies . But now we live with pathological people that force us to join in on their delusions of what they pretend to be . And if we don't play along they treatend to commit suicide. So we need to watch how we shun . This generation is not generation X its generation acknowledged me
We cannot stay in the same education system. It is not just the curriculum that is affecting our kids. Peer influence has become a toxic mess. Sooner or later we have to realize that government schools are not the answer.
The problem is that in home school the kids often are not challenged enough. It’s too easy. Many homeschoolers can’t read well. My kids have many homeschool friends in our stake, and they say that they always see their friends online playing video games most of the day, while they are in school. My kids did a homeschool hybrid type model for two years during Covid, and it’s just very difficult to motivate them. They are back in public school now, and it took me a year of sitting with them to catch them up on math and English. Now they are back at the top of their classes where they were, before we withdrew them from public school initially. We have very open and honest conversations at the dinner table about our values, and we read the scriptures, etc. So far they seem to still understand our values, and even sometimes go extreme in where they don’t want to associate with some of the other kids. I tell them to be friendly to everyone and get to know other people, and be an example. They definitely know the difference between our values and the world. They are good kids, but it’s true that it’s difficult, because they are constantly bombarded with junk. The environment is an issue.
@@christophertolman7023 I completely disagree with the blanket statement that "most homeschool kids can't read well." The national average shows that most high school seniors are graduating with a third grade reading level. They are not proficient in reading, or math. Charter Schools still fall under the umbrella of "public school," so even on a hybrid system, the kids are still using the public school curriculum, just at home part of the time. It's not actually homeschooling. Most homeschool curriculum is Christian based, which charter schools don't allow families to use unless they are full-time homeschoolers and purchase the materials themselves. This is why most homeschool families don't homeschool through charter schools. They file to become their own private school- so they can have freedom to choose their own curriculum Most homeschool curriculum are also literature based, and require massive amounts of reading. The majority of success in a homeschool depends on the parent & what they require. Parents who require online learning/games get the fruit of it. Parents who require classic literature get the fruits of it. Almost everyone we know homeschools (San Diego), and all of their kids are proficient readers. My second grader read over 5000 pages last year, my kindergartener read 187 picture books. Not to mention I read them 497 books out loud plus the New Testament and Book of Mormon for CFM. Both kids were required to take astandardized test higher than their grade level because they got 100% percent the for their grade. One of our friends has an eighth grader who is proficient in Shakespeare and just got 3 college credits for it because she's read it for the last four years as part of their homeschool curriculum.
@@christophertolman7023Yes, students need to be challenged, but why do we so easily accept that government should be the ones to run the schools? I’ve had my kids enrolled in public, charter, homeschool and private at various times in their lives. I have also been a teacher. I truly believe that public school has become a toxic environment for our kids. I agree that homeschool can be a bit of a challenge, but that doesn’t mean you let kids play video games all day. What a joke.
@@christophertolman7023 Homeschoolers who are sitting home playing video games are NOT being homeschooled! Parents who decide to homeschool need to be aware of the commitment it takes to do this. A true homeschooling family is constantly working to educate their children and give them experiences to grow physically, spiritually, intellectually, socially, etc.
I am a grandma and great grandmother, I had lunch with a friend and both of us Independently from each other have felt prompted to purchase school supplies including curriculums for k-12! I was a college professor and retired bc of politics! The lord is guiding good people to get ready for homeschooling very soon!
@@heddie04 my daughter in law will be homeschooling my grandchildren this year and I totally support her. I just retired from teaching and will be working with them. Glad I’m out now.
“The Good And The Beautiful” is a wonderful Christian based, academically superior homeschool curriculum that was written by an LDS woman. Many people who aren’t even Christian, love this curriculum, too!
“The philosophies of men surround us. The face of sin today often wears the mask of tolerance. Do not be deceived; behind that facade is heartache, unhappiness, and pain. You know what is right and what is wrong, and no disguise, however appealing, can change that.The character of transgression remains the same. ” - Thomas S. Monson
@mylovelyclementinemylovely904 Examples of Righteousness in April 2008. It's the talk where he tells a story of a boy mimicking his every move until he wiggled his ears. 😁
Elder Bednar said it best, " However, it ultimately is impossible for another person to offend you or to offend me. Indeed, believing that another person offended us is fundamentally false. To be offended is a choice we make; it is not a condition inflicted or imposed upon us by someone or something else."
I’m so glad I put my kids in a classical education charter school. Most of their classmates are devoted Catholics or members of the Church, and many are other Christians. Classical literature is religious by default, and the school can teach it in the name of classical education, but they teach excellent morals, and there is also a ton of Christ in allegory form. But the teachers aren’t promoting any one morality other than general honesty, friendship, etc., so they get away with it. And they are so strict, but kind. I love it!
Same! My son also attends a classical education charter school in a very liberal state, and it is a breath of fresh air - and a huge relief! I love the leadership, the teachers, the students, the core values, the school uniforms. It is such a productive learning environment. And even better, the students are from many different backgrounds and ethnicities, meaning parents of all colors are seeking out this American foundational classical education for their children. Two of my son’s best friends in his class are Nicaraguan and Filipina, and they love the 🇺🇸!
Excellent episode! Thank you! I am a public school teacher in suburban Salt Lake City. I have been teaching for 25 years and am almost ready to retire. I completely agree with you about what is going on in the public schools. It's craziness. Boys cannot be girls and girls cannot be boys! I refuse to use the "preferred pronouns." I won't go along with the absurdity in my classroom, but it is getting harder and harder to say no, although I will continue to do so until I retire. My youngest son is a student at BYU Idaho and he is living in "campus approved" housing filled with BYU Idaho students and one of his MALE roommates wears a dress! I guess there is no "honor code" at BYU or BYU-I anymore. We are being taught and pressured to tolerate EVERYTHING!
Thankyou for your comment. Yikes! It's so disturbing that boys wearing dresses at BYU is OK. I think the end is near. The attack on the family is complete.
BYU takes federal money, so they abide by the absurdity. You'd think the First Presidency would recognize the harm by taking those funds, but I digress.
Great conversation Greg. Your and Bruce's bravery in bringing this topic to bear as a valid concern of our church as a whole is laudable. It is time that we breach this topic among church members.
It’s interesting, my mom who taught elementary and jr high school from the 50’s into the 90’s would always say education started a downward spiral when the federal government came in and took education from the states. The states up until then had control which in turn allowed parents much more involvement.
Parents get straight mad when we have teacher days because seriously we are their daycare. As long as their kids have somewhere to go parents are good with it. Don’t care what they are learning. We wish parents were more involved.
Not in my local school in Ohio. The teachers, board and superintendent wanted ZERO input. The super got fired 2 years ago, thankfully. If you act like daycare, you become daycare! I'm a former teacher. The quality of educators has declined - the NTE no longer exists because it was deemed "too difficult". Standards were lowered. We are now seeing the results.
I saw this coming YEARS ago and started homeschooling my kids from the beginning (now 4th, 2nd & Preschool). I "mourned" the loss of their public school experience because my husband and I both had such a great experience, and did well. But we were committed. We have a community with many families of many faiths and the same values. This year, only ONE family in our ward is still at public school (our ward is predominantly a young family ward with K-12 kids). Even the middle & high school kids have slowly left the system since 2020. It's not even about academics in schools anymore. Everyone should check their county's statistics for education- they're abysmal at best. The county I grew up in (wealthy family area) predicted that by 2028, only 8% of students will be proficient in Reading, and Math at graduation. 8%!!! What are these kids learning for 13 years in school? An 8% guarantee after 13 years is just unacceptable. It's not just about academics either. Statistically, a child's peers have more influence than their family (Hold On To Your Kids by Gabor Mate). Do you trust their friends parents to raise them how you would? We can't send our kids to be educated in Rome and be disappointed when they come home Roman.
“And it came to pass that Enoch went forth in the land…testifying against their works; and all men were offended because of him.” Three cheers for Enoch and a Zion community. Bring it on!
If you remember reading Animal Farm, it was the young that were taught and radicalized. It's happening in reality today. I left the Public School system the last 12 years before I retired 5 years ago and taught at a private LDS-Christian based school here in Las Vegas. Very rewarding. Former students are now missionaries or married with children already.
The problem with not discussing politics is that Satan uses political doctrines and movements to undermine the doctrine of Christ. So what do we do? Not talk about it?
Convincing religious people to not discuss, or engage in, politics is a tool of Satan. It turns the silent faithful into slaves to the dictates of kingmen and gadiantons
We must carefully discern the character of others to "Speak not in the ears of a fool" And just WHO is the fool amongst us but those "who recieve not the love of the truth" But all is not lost, for "The People will learn righteousness when the judgments of God are in the earth"... and even the fool can see, (?) that this day is rapidly approaching. In Revelations 7:9-14 we read of a great multitude, from ALL nations who are dressed in white. "These are they which have come out of Great Tribulation"
I think we all talk about it. Church has very limited time, and we don’t believe in telling others how to vote or whom to vote for. However, as we study the doctrines of Christ and His church, hopefully it influences politics. 5 foolish virgins and give wise ones. Half the members do feel all is well in Zion. As I teach the Book of Mormon to my primary class this year, it’s almost like reading today’s headlines. It’s a spiritual and political scripture
@@celindahearld1328there’s a time and a place. I used to be more vocal on social media. Now I’m more covert, because even my husband’s job is affected if he shares his political views on Facebook. My mom was released from her calling for speaking on political issues that weren’t in line with the church’s teachings. I’m very political, but don’t tell people who they should vote for.
Totally, My Tech High has been a big help. Anyone thinking homeschooling, write your representative to expand the Utah Fits All scholarship for 5x more support.
Back when parents were home with their children, teaching them at home or at a one room schoolhouse where they had a teacher who the community paid and one family provided room and board for that teacher. The parents who were paying the bills had direct contact with the teacher.
Now, if we, as a society, could stop the worship of teachers and govt school, that would be something. We currently live in Utah and this garbage wouldn't fly if the teachers, many of whom know better, would refuse to comply. -_-
My daughter homeschools and she was showing me the curriculum after dinner a couple of nights ago and she’s going to have two or three of her seven children starting Latin this year and she’s going to be teaching it. So therefore, as the teacher you learn, she will be learning Latinwhile she teaches her children Latin. I would venture to say that no public school teaches Latin.
My daughters took their kids out of school and ate homeschooling them. The school systems in the world are insane! Good to see you Brother Porter. It's been a while!❤
“Don't let your boy's schooling interfere with his education". Mark Twain We can be educated without being indoctrinated, it's just harder than it used to be. Restored scripture tells us how.
My parents, who are very active in the church, don't support homeschooling. I think they believe you can't be "in the world" if you don't go to public School. I think they also believe you won't develop a moral backbone learning to be different if you don't practice it in your formative years in public School. I homeschool my kids because I don't believe in sending them into battle without battle training/armor. I also still feel very much "in the world" with our co-op and extra curriculars. Also I believe the purpose of education is to pass on values to the next generation. Homeschool is not perfect, but I don't trust the public School to install good, beautiful, and virtuous values in my kids. What do you think?
Same! And my kids don’t lack backbone. They have the time to learn truth while they’re young, before public school system indoctrinated them into confusion. They’re also highly social and I swear, if feels like half of California is homeschooling
I'm an "older" Mom and my child is done with school. My husband and I am on pension now and my child is studying through the BYU Program for which I'm very grateful, staying at home and we are there to support each other. Being put under pressure at sweet sixteen from a "friend" my child stood strong - I'm a proud Mom. Today the pressure is immense on our young people. God blessed us with the perfect Gospel, we should not add on or take away to be popular, or justify.
Our break point was a sociology 'teacher' in pleasant grove utah who was teaching 'safe injection sites' and providing the 'sources' which we looked up. 19 were pro sis and 1 had a couple misgivings but was mostly kn favor. When i called the principal of the school and asked what else was in the syllabus guess what was there. Thruples, Polyamory, and other things that according to the 'teacher' a kid who would aoon be voting should know. I will admit i tried to have her fired. Called a friend at the news station to shine a light. Yeah. We homeschool.
Curious which news station? The big ones here in Utah (KSL, and the like) are not a friend of truth, and righteousness. They seem to be antithetical to them actually.
@@asarg1776 her name was/is Miriam Anderson. I think teachers like her should be removed from their activist teaching role permanently. If you want to be an activist, go for it, but don't do it under the guise of a teacher. Maybe it's a sore spot because I used to be a teacher. Admittedly, I had an excellent admin who wouldn't stand for that, but I feel for friends of mine who have to endure the worst kind of leftist garbage. And students who listen to mind poison for 6-8 hours a day.
"There are a great many branches of education: some go to college to learn languages, some to study law, some to study physic, and some to study astronomy, and various other branches of science. We want every branch of science taught in this place that is taught in the world. But our favorite study is that branch which particularly belongs to the Elders (and Sisters, according to President Nelson) of Israel-namely, theology. Every Elder (and Sister) should become a profound theologian-should understand this branch better than all the world." Brigham Young, 1852 "The duty of the mother is to watch over her children, and give them their early education....children have all confidence in their mothers; and if mothers would take proper pains, they can instill into the hearts of their children what they please." Brigham Young
Homeschooling has been such a blessing for our family! It is a lot of work, but the benefits are exponential. I thank Heavenly Father everyday that He prompted me to bring my kids home and teach them. When we trust the Lord and fulfill our roles as parents, His promises are always fulfilled. If you’re on the fence go ALL IN and see if you don’t see beautiful blessings poor into your home!
I believe back in the early days the church talked about not allowing kids to go to government schools.. they tried opening up elm schools but it failed, i believe because ppl saw it was cheaper to put them in gov schools. I know the church has (maybe Hs ) schools in some places, i would put my kids in a Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints school if they opened one here in Utah, how does this become a topic for it to happen 🙃
Yes I read about this too. The church warned of the secularism being taught in schools but the members didn’t support the church schools so they failed. The all is well in Zion worshiped the golden calf of government then and now we are wandering around in the wilderness 40 years in this abysmal mess!
Not only our schools telling you that you have to think and behave this way or you’re a bad person but also your grade is at stake. You can’t give a different opinion. You have to think that way and most people won’t stand up because they need the grade so there’s no opposing opinion in these classes.
One of the most disheartening and isolating parts of all of this is the realization that while we as a people should know and recognize truth clearly, many do not. I’m a firm believer that if we take “Come Follow Me” and President Nelson’s talks seriously, we will have discernment through each book of scripture. Each one has vital truths and clues for recognizing secret combinations and idols of our own time. The phenomenon you talked about in the culture is also prevalent in our church meetings. (Thanks to voices like both of yours we are not completely disillusioned, so thank you) - At church if you are promoting woke theories and ideologies in talks, lessons, etc. It is not only acceptable, but there is an attitude of virtue and “nuance” around it. If, however, you try to defend the family proclamation, or give a comment countering the narrative that we are the most racist nation, or that Christopher Columbus was evil, or that we should fly the pride flag in the name of love….then you are being, “political in church, extreme, or not a peacemaker.” And quite frankly even defending the Proclamation brings a spirit of contention, so it is better to be muted and isolated it feels like.
I have experienced this as well in a Ward in San Diego County. I was a counselor in the Relief Society and I used the Proclamation of the Family while teaching a RS lesson on the family. The RS president took me aside after the meeting and let me know not to bring the Proclamation up again because that would offend some of the sisters present, as they had gay and lesbian children and thus this was an offense to them. After I taught that lesson, the RS president never included me on the visits to sisters we as a presidency made.
During “Covid“ when they were broadcasting over the Internet, the lessons to the kids my daughter got her kindergarten set up on the computer and got logged in so that he could participate in the lesson that was going to be taught, I don’t remember the subject, but then she went back to her Office in the house to go into a online meeting. She happened to walk away from the meeting for whatever reason I don’t know and walked where her kindergarten was and saw what they were presenting to him promptly. The computer off told him he could go outside and play with his brothers, she has seven children, and, got a hold of the school and said that she was done and that they were not participating in whatever the school system had to offer for the remote learning. She is since been to the conference in Texas for homeschooling and gets information from the homeschooling, legal defense league.
Our prophets have taught us to write down all the miracles and spiritual experiences we have! So if we do, there would be so much good for others to learn and get courage from!!
That is spot on. It is our choice (agency) to take offense to someone or something said. This goes to personal responsibility. Which we don’t have today. Our feelings are created by us. The great thing is we choose.
For the last several years, I have been teaching High School science classes at an LDS based homeschool co-op. The past 3 years we have seen an influx of families wanting to place their children in our program. Some of these kids come in with some really "interesting" ideas. 🤔
The fairy tales were there to warn us about the very real monsters that exist within our souls. When we called the stories childish we invited the monster from the pages back into our world.
“It is a greater sin to take offense then it is to give offense.” Thank you! That puts into words so well the idea I’ve been trying to convey in conversations for years. Everyone has the right to be offensive. But does that make it right to be? Are we responsible to ensure that other people are not sinning as a reaction to our actions? No. They are responsible for themselves. But is it right to take actions that will cause others to have feelings that cause them to sin? Maybe. It depends. If the action will cause someone to have bad feelings, you really need to weigh out if it is important enough to do/say to take that risk. I feel “micro-aggressions” (or the taking offense of them) are weaponized against people unjustly very often. However, all of us need to be careful about being civil and tactful in what we say. But even still we all need to, like Nephi, declare the truth and do what is right even if others are going to take it hard. That actually brings me to the topic of modesty (I know, random tangent). But I feel like modesty has been twisted so that any discussion of modesty is a micro-aggression. The narrative right now is that teaching modesty is telling girls/women that if a boy/man has lustful thoughts because of the clothes you wear it is her fault and he is absolved of any guilt. (I have never been in a young men’s lesson where the instructor said “you know, if she is immodest, it’s ok to lust after her.” Only the exact opposite) Keep in mind that “It is a greater sin to [lust after others] then it is to [dress immodestly].” Wouldn’t wearing clothes that cause others to have lustful thoughts be the micro-aggression? You have the right to dress how you want, but does that make it right to dress in a way that will cause others to feel feelings that lead to sin? So, similar to when it comes to saying things that might cause someone to take offense, we must ask the question of is what I am wearing so important that if it cause other to have inappropriate thoughts that lead to sin it is still important enough to wear it anyway and take that risk. Where I can see where there are things important enough to say to take that risk of offending someone, I struggle to see when wearing immodest clothing is important enough to risk causing someone to have impure thoughts and actions.
I do t understand why people would be so upset about talking about politics. Politics is a form of religion. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught we need to be involved in them. They are not honestly separate. If anything I wish we as a church were far more involved from the top down outwardly in politics.
I have recently heard several parents say something to the effect that they can't wait until their young children will get taught how to obey! They apparently did not accept the responsibility of teaching obedience on their own. To me, it seems that they are anxious to turn their parenting responsibilities to the state! I am not sure how these young mothers view having children. Tolerating their children for 5 years until the state "fixes" them! ????
Being like Mardi gras everyday is a PERFECT example. Im in louisiana and yes we use to go to mardi but to thr ateas that had gamily mardi gras! I can tell you most of thr mard gras in Mew Orleand even yrs ago was sickening. O csn only imagine how bad it is now. Anyway that was a perfect example for people here that know exactly what goes on at mardi gras! Its a freak show!
My education in public schools never involved morality or spirituality teachings! It was called family life where these things were learned and understood, if we look at the scriptures concerning Sodom and Gomorra we are realizing those same results of wicked people teaching children wicked ways! If we look to God in all things, he will do what is necessary to get us all home as soon as possible and I can’t wait for his plan to take place. You two are awesome and thank you for helping us all be more aware!!!
i TOTALLY AGREE! I tell people all the time " if you're going to take offense, you'd better take one with a gate in it so you can get in and out, and if you get a complex over that make sure it's a multi-plex so you can afford to live in it." Any of you have my content to use this fraise.
The reason mothers have to go into the workforce is because of the way that the deep state has structured the economy. Father/men are not making the amount of money that they need to make to support a family pay a mortgage by the food and all the things that go along with that in order for the father to support the family and let the Mother’s Day home with the children which is what should happen. I am deep into family Search and as I research these families, they’re all have eight 10, 10, 12, some as many as 16 children. And I can see and doing the research that if a mother died in childbirth, a father would remarry to have somebody to raise the children. He would continue to have children with her. Back in the 1800s fathers were able to provide for lots of children with a stay at home mom
My father, who was a human resource director, and had previously owned his own geological survey business, stated that at one time we had living wages when men where to one supporting families. When women started entering the workforce that changed, and salaries actually started to decrease because employers realized they did not have to pay as much. Of course there are other social and economic issues in that time period, such as very low wages for single mothers and ethnic classes, but in general a husband could support his family. We also have to get the narrative back to minimum wage is not and never was meant to be a living wage.
We still can. Not everyone of course. I don’t get to buy many new clothes, fancy makeup and other luxuries. But I have a short window of time to be with, nurture and educate my children. It’s a sacrifice. But we do have a roof over our head and plenty of food. I get that not everyone has the luxury to homeschool. It’s also very difficult if the mother struggles with depression or adhd (like I do). Sometimes I have to consider what I can and cannot handle. So far, I’m homeschooling. But I have no idea what the future will hold
Greg, you said it earlier in this broadcast, instead being educated in math and science, they're educating our kids on their version of morals, and fluid truth, they're not addressing absolute truth in math science and history.
I was initially resistant when God called me to homeschool my children starting in 2007. It was overwhelming. After 17 years of homeschooling, it’s so obvious this one choice allowed our family to thrive in study and in faith. Truly God had more in mind for my family than I did.
Bravo, I love listing to the two of you. I fear we, as a society are loosing our morals and ethics at a warp speed rate. I also see how quick we are to find and make excuses for behavior that is contrary to the commandments of God. As parents in southern Nevada we have resorted to home school for the past 8 years because we observe how the school system here is used as a tool to indoctrinate our children with ideas contrary to Fathers Plan. Over the years we have watched as the school district here has forced parents out of their children’s education. They don’t even teach the basics anymore. These are scary times
I am glad that Br Porter stated that our political thinking should be based on our belief in the Plan of Salvation. Too many people think that so called political choices need to have laws, such as gay marriage and transgenderism, need to be passed because people have ‘free’ agency. I have heard Elder Bednar in two settings, a video of a fireside in Mexico, and later in a fireside of the youth in our area, say at we were given our agency for one reason only. That reason is to choose Jesus Christ. He said that choosing anything else is not using our agency for the purpose that it was given to us. So it makes sense that if we must use our agency to choose to follow Christ, if we vote for people or support political causes that advocate choices that are directly opposed to the doctrines of Christ, then we are in fact choosing NOT to follow our Savior, Jesus Christ.
Talking about moving a civilization away from values. We have an entire party that has now decided you wear the label of “weird” if you are conservative. That behavior is 100% contrary to the narrative of the liberal left of being inclusive and not offending someone even if they are different. And yet their presidential candidate is drawing heavily into that label. Is another evidence that they aren’t truly interested in not offending people or treating others inclusively but instead making sure the only thing and people that get included are people that think and act like them.
Dang, so Bruce is not a Noticer. I guess I'm not too surprised because as aware as Greg is he's still pretty normie and they are good friends. No matter, I still LOVE Bruce and he's one of my all-time favorite church scholars. And Bruce, NEVER apologize for bringing up and quoting the scriptures! That's a feature not a bug. ;)
@@frankplissken143 Yes it is. And beyond that it's the Khazarian boot licking. The majority of church members do the same which is why pilling them on the final boss is sooo difficult.
I am at the tribe of Ephraim through my patriarchal blessing, and I do not feel adopted at all because I know that most of my genealogy comes from England and France and Scotland and Ireland and guess what if you listen to watch your Palmer Scott Palmer channel. You will see that he took a couple of trips to England and to France and those tours that he went on Were explaining how the “lost 10 tribes“ are those people who went to England and when the missionaries from the church first went out abroad they went to England and a lot of the Saints that came to Utah were first generations from England or part of the last 10 tribes
Politics can't fix an immoral people. The message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ found in the Book of Mormon is to individualy come unto Christ and be sanctified by His atoning blood and grace. The individual people of the United States have chosen to follow the God of this world. People must be righteous to choose just and moral policies. The U S. Is in its death throes. The Constitution will survive through a righteous remnant who will still uphold its principles, but the current government will be destroyed due to the people's wickedness. Only the Gospel of Jesus Christ can change people to vote for good government. If people are not righteous, then you get what we have today. The political scene we witness currently is just a symptom of the majority of the people rejecting Jesus Christ's commandments.
Very well said. Since when has politics been in line with constitutional principles or the gospel of Jesus Christ? LOL! Not in my lifetime and I am reaching half a century. George Washington was right in his farewell address warning us about parties. All parties have done is endless wars, money laundering, and inhumane acts I can't post on UA-cam without it being removed. The uniparty pretends to be separate dividing us on issues while selling us out. Foreign entanglements and special interest are their agenda while they live like kings and party like rockstars.
What did the founding say? THE CONSTITUTION IS FOR A MORAL AND RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. So all of us who are a moral and religious people should have been and sgmhoukd be defending the original Constitution. Not the one govt has changed to fit their narrative. We havent ever done thus and we arent niw. We are claiming about it but doing nothing ti defend it as our oast proohets counceled us to do and warned us of these days.
Bravo Bruce Porter! Yes, politics and religion are connected! For all truth is circumscribed into one great whole! So many don't understand this simple truth...
One of the past prophets or apostle said something like, "Shame on me if I get offended when someone didn't mean to offend me, and shame on me when I get offended even if they DID mean to offend me." I think it was John Taylor but I'm not sure.
we always hear that we are a nation of laws, we are not. we are a nation of moralities fastened into laws. when you have anti moral laws what do you have?
Just because the children live with mom, doesnt mean the fathers are off the hook! The fathers need to be involved with morality and keeping schools moral just as much or more than the mothers!!
This conversation reminded me of Mormon Doctrine, Bruce R McConkie’s book. For a long time it was approved as one of the few books missionaries could bring on their missions. Now it is out of print, scorned openly as bigoted and old fashioned, and if anyone brings up the principles contained therein in Sunday School there is always one person who interrupts to proclaim that book as heresy it seems 😒
When I grew up I had grandparents aunts and uncles. Community,tribe. So now people live far away from their tribe. Their family. The family has always been the foundation of the society. When we abandon our own responsibity in the family, that is what we get. So blame someone else if you want to. But it it your responsibility. ❤ I was amazed that as a child white people had to have lessons on how to be a human being. We learned that at home. Naturally. It was common since. Example was the best teacher. So if we let anyone else teach that, then we get what we get.
We should always speak out against that is wrong or evil. It can be done in a way that attracts not the person or persons but what they are doing or saying. But we must SPEEK OUT.
We will all be offended, it’s inevitable and we don’t need to be given the “right” to do so. Any statement or action, just is. It’s our own judgments and beliefs that cause us to suffer. It’s all within. The key is 1. recognizing when we are triggered 2. resist the urge to lash out and instead 3. get still, long enough for the brain to transition back from the amygdala (part of the brain that's most closely associated with fear, emotions fight or fight) back to the prefrontal cortex (the part of the brain the deals with executive functioning, and logic.) 4.Observe your own internal world and reactivity, without judgment. Once we are thinking from the rational problem solving area of the brain we can 5. get curious about ourself and the “offender”, again, with curiosity and without judgment. This all probably sounds “woke” to most on this channel but the proof is in the pudding, as they say. It’s been my experience that this is the end of war and internal suffering, less rumination and more empathy, love and understanding. 🙏🏼❤️
No, we are supposed to judge...all the time. Then act accordingly. Good/bad philosophy. Good/bad teaching in school. Good/bad behavior, or book, or friend, or song or movie, or teacher, etc. I get angry seeing pride activities; bad philosophy, bad behaviors, bad sexuality, bad influence, because almost everytime I see it, the pride people are targeting my children. I call them out publicly, I stand up for our God, our religion, our freedom, our peace, our wives and our children. Let them be offended.
I have to disagree with Bruce about morality in school. Please consider this - The founding fathers of our nation supported basic Judeo-Christian morality within school, but NO support of a specific religion. Prayer was a part of school. The 10 commandments were foundational. Education *should* contain such foundational morality. When referencing a supreme power, use the word 'Creator'.
When you talked about zombies I thought for sure you were going to bring up demons/possession. I find it interesting the historically it was the religious people (priests) who cast out and saved people from demons. In today’s films, it is usually the priest himself that is the actual demon. They have flipped religion on its head there too.
Another great episode. Things are definitely getting scary everywhere in the world, not just in America. “I think, therefore I am” was René Descartes, but nice point!
It is an immutable phenomenon that; Tough times create strong men (and women!). Strong men produce good times. Good times bring about weakened men. Weak men bring evil times.
Mosiah 29:26-27; “Now it is not common that the voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the people to desire that which is not right; therefore this shall ye observe and make it your law-to do your business by the voice of the people. And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land.” D & C 101:77-78; “According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles; That every man may act in accordance with the moral agency which I have given unto him, that every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of judgment.” Proverbs 6:16-19; “These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.” All the things that the Lord hates are in our nation today. Those who love the Lord work to remove things that the Lord hates from our nation. Proverbs 17:15; “He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.” Shedding innocent blood is wicked. Those who justify other's right to shed innocent blood are also wicked by saying that it is their right to choose. D & C 98:9-10: “Nevertheless, when the wicked rule the people mourn. Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.”
You have the higher law and the laws of man. You have the "powers that be" straining society to the point that both husband and wife had to work to keep food on the table and a roof over their head. Then you have the state raising the kids and taking God out of schools, our of our courthouses, and our of memory (for many). I am so grateful my daughter in law teaches her children at home. We have a real mess. I hope we can rectify the damage that has been done. Satan has creeped in silently unseen and unsuspected, and few saw this coming...But I really hope that the Spirit is poured out upon the heads of these kids, and help their understanding...
At 1:10:35 what if the BOM is a historical prophecy? I believe it is in a way. The subjects and stories included are for our day so we can recognize the same patterns of societal and spiritual deterioration that we are now experiencing. Alma (2) chose to preach the word of God so the hearts and minds of the people would change, and turn to God in repentance through faith in the Redeemer. That was how the downward cycle was interrupted. That's where we are today: we need to turn to God and repent (individually and as a people) or the kinds of destruction described in the scriptures will befall this land. We need to petition Heaven for help.
Our church buildings sit empty all week long during the day. It seems they could be used better during the week. There are gyms, kitchens, chapels and classrooms that could be used for education at the literal drop of an announcement. I wonder what the bretheren have pondered regarding this education issue. Personally i would just prefer to fix our existing education system since it has all the resources and culture that makes being a kid in America fun. Just corrupted.
My son who was born in 1978, when in high school they’d ask him questions he would fill it out erroneously if they ask him if he was having sex, he would say yes if they ask him how often she say every day and he would come home and tell us that he was putting erroneous information on these forms he even on some form mark that he was African-American and he started getting stuff in the mail for collegesthat were predominantly African-American. He thought it was a big joke. He figured if he lied to them, he would throw off their numbers which he probably did.
This is going to sound unkind to Greg, but nobody has a right not to be offended. For anyone reading this, have you spent time on your own with the Lord yet today? The full phrase is "The philosophies of men, mingled with scripture" and Greg's title "The philosophies of men" is only one side of the coin. One side of the coin is all that any UA-camr is giving the children of men if the children of men have not given the Lord His fair share of time with the heart. His will, not mine. Great content here with Greg, but please don't forget your God first!!! May God bless you all!
The discourse is all about mingling with scripture. The point is, to learn where these philosophies come from, what they do, and how to help your family resist them by contrasting them with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I think we were clear about that.
We already know what the other side of the coin is. Your comment is very condescending, how would you know how much time any of us spend with the Lord??
@@jodie672 My point isn't to offend. Nobody has a right to not be offended as Greg and his guest pointed out, but everybody has a responsibility to not take offense even if it is given. In my case, I'm not looking to offend, but rather to point out that any podcast pales in comparison to spending time with the Lord in Scripture. I had to learn this the hard way, and if you didn't and already spend the time necessary alone with the Lord to know what I'm talking about then this shouldn't be offensive or condescending at all. Greg missed my point. The philosophies of men mingled with scripture isn't a good thing. That is quite literally the opposite of what I'm talking about which is spending time alone with the Lord in quiet contemplation, and not allowing UA-cam videos and podcasts to take the place of spending time with the Lord in that manner.
@@CwicShow Thanks. You proved my point. The philosophies of men mingled with scripture is not really a good thing. The philosophies from God delivered personally through private and quiet study, alone with the Lord, learning through personal revelation by the power of the Holy Ghost is a much better way to learn. You have great content, but my comment is directed at reminding people to not listen solely to UA-cam videos and podcasts and think that they'll have the same experience as personal scripture study. Most people don't have time to listen to shows like yours AND read their scriptures. Since I never hear you remind people to spend time with the Lord in the scriptures, and because I myself got caught up in listening to podcasts and shows like yours, thinking that I was "feasting" but was mostly just scratching my itchy ears with the philosophies of men mingled with scripture, I figured I'd project my experience and remind others to not fall into the same trap as I did and miss the other side of the coin; personal revelation.
We have avoided talking about religion and politics to the point where we have generations that can discuss neither.
I’ve said it once & I’ll continually say it - homeschooling my kids has been one of THE BEST parenting decisions I’ve ever made! Not just as a defense against the crooked ways of the world, but because it’s so deeply fulfilling and rewarding. There are so many beneficial fruits to doing life the homeschooling way! Hearing this discussion just reinforces my choice to homeschool my kids. Thanks for all the insight & perspectives you both shared!
It certainly was the best decision you could have made...an eternal one. Hopefully your example will carry on through your children. At least until we get this cleaned up...and we will. But it will be hard work and a lot of dedicated people watching carefully...
It shouldn’t take a village/the government to raise our children. It should take an extended family unit.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” ~ Voltaire
Great quote!
@@CwicShow And one, I fear, that we are going to see played out in the not-too-distant future. It has already started... :(
@@dmandrewsauthorit's been playing for quite some time.
@@sandeakilpatrick2386 From around 2005 most noticeably, but I think we are at a point where it is now going to accelerate.
Good quote
My husband reads me a headline and I now have to ask him if this is Babylon Bee or an actual headline. There is now not a clear difference. 😩
This is so true. We are living in the world of the Babylon Bee.
This is always been a world of lies . But now we live with pathological people that force us to join in on their delusions of what they pretend to be . And if we don't play along they treatend to commit suicide. So we need to watch how we shun . This generation is not generation X its generation acknowledged me
lol no kidding.
We cannot stay in the same education system. It is not just the curriculum that is affecting our kids. Peer influence has become a toxic mess. Sooner or later we have to realize that government schools are not the answer.
Absolutely
The problem is that in home school the kids often are not challenged enough. It’s too easy. Many homeschoolers can’t read well. My kids have many homeschool friends in our stake, and they say that they always see their friends online playing video games most of the day, while they are in school. My kids did a homeschool hybrid type model for two years during Covid, and it’s just very difficult to motivate them. They are back in public school now, and it took me a year of sitting with them to catch them up on math and English. Now they are back at the top of their classes where they were, before we withdrew them from public school initially. We have very open and honest conversations at the dinner table about our values, and we read the scriptures, etc. So far they seem to still understand our values, and even sometimes go extreme in where they don’t want to associate with some of the other kids. I tell them to be friendly to everyone and get to know other people, and be an example. They definitely know the difference between our values and the world. They are good kids, but it’s true that it’s difficult, because they are constantly bombarded with junk. The environment is an issue.
@@christophertolman7023 I completely disagree with the blanket statement that "most homeschool kids can't read well." The national average shows that most high school seniors are graduating with a third grade reading level. They are not proficient in reading, or math.
Charter Schools still fall under the umbrella of "public school," so even on a hybrid system, the kids are still using the public school curriculum, just at home part of the time. It's not actually homeschooling.
Most homeschool curriculum is Christian based, which charter schools don't allow families to use unless they are full-time homeschoolers and purchase the materials themselves. This is why most homeschool families don't homeschool through charter schools. They file to become their own private school- so they can have freedom to choose their own curriculum
Most homeschool curriculum are also literature based, and require massive amounts of reading.
The majority of success in a homeschool depends on the parent & what they require. Parents who require online learning/games get the fruit of it. Parents who require classic literature get the fruits of it.
Almost everyone we know homeschools (San Diego), and all of their kids are proficient readers. My second grader read over 5000 pages last year, my kindergartener read 187 picture books. Not to mention I read them 497 books out loud plus the New Testament and Book of Mormon for CFM. Both kids were required to take astandardized test higher than their grade level because they got 100% percent the for their grade.
One of our friends has an eighth grader who is proficient in Shakespeare and just got 3 college credits for it because she's read it for the last four years as part of their homeschool curriculum.
@@christophertolman7023Yes, students need to be challenged, but why do we so easily accept that government should be the ones to run the schools? I’ve had my kids enrolled in public, charter, homeschool and private at various times in their lives. I have also been a teacher. I truly believe that public school has become a toxic environment for our kids. I agree that homeschool can be a bit of a challenge, but that doesn’t mean you let kids play video games all day. What a joke.
@@christophertolman7023 Homeschoolers who are sitting home playing video games are NOT being homeschooled! Parents who decide to homeschool need to be aware of the commitment it takes to do this. A true homeschooling family is constantly working to educate their children and give them experiences to grow physically, spiritually, intellectually, socially, etc.
I am a grandma and great grandmother, I had lunch with a friend and both of us Independently from each other have felt prompted to purchase school supplies including curriculums for k-12! I was a college professor and retired bc of politics! The lord is guiding good people to get ready for homeschooling very soon!
Fathom The Good
Absolutely! That’s what we’re preparing for!
@@heddie04 my daughter in law will be homeschooling my grandchildren this year and I totally support her. I just retired from teaching and will be working with them. Glad I’m out now.
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“The Good And The Beautiful” is a wonderful Christian based, academically superior homeschool curriculum that was written by an LDS woman. Many people who aren’t even Christian, love this curriculum, too!
“The philosophies of men surround us. The face of sin today often wears the mask of tolerance. Do not be deceived; behind that facade is heartache, unhappiness, and pain. You know what is right and what is wrong, and no disguise, however appealing, can change that.The character of transgression remains the same. ” - Thomas S. Monson
One of my favorite quotes!
What talk is this?
@mylovelyclementinemylovely904 Examples of Righteousness in April 2008. It's the talk where he tells a story of a boy mimicking his every move until he wiggled his ears. 😁
@@jeff3olsen thank you!!
Elder Bednar said it best, "
However, it ultimately is impossible for another person to offend you or to offend me. Indeed, believing that another person offended us is fundamentally false. To be offended is a choice we make; it is not a condition inflicted or imposed upon us by someone or something else."
I’m so glad I put my kids in a classical education charter school. Most of their classmates are devoted Catholics or members of the Church, and many are other Christians. Classical literature is religious by default, and the school can teach it in the name of classical education, but they teach excellent morals, and there is also a ton of Christ in allegory form. But the teachers aren’t promoting any one morality other than general honesty, friendship, etc., so they get away with it. And they are so strict, but kind.
I love it!
@@matildabanana3516 This sounds good but unfortunately, these classical education schools are not available everywhere.
I love this!
@@deborahjones8175 Maybe homeschool if you can?
@@matildabanana3516 My kids are all grown. I do worry about my ten grandkids.
Same! My son also attends a classical education charter school in a very liberal state, and it is a breath of fresh air - and a huge relief!
I love the leadership, the teachers, the students, the core values, the school uniforms. It is such a productive learning environment.
And even better, the students are from many different backgrounds and ethnicities, meaning parents of all colors are seeking out this American foundational classical education for their children. Two of my son’s best friends in his class are Nicaraguan and Filipina, and they love the 🇺🇸!
Excellent episode! Thank you! I am a public school teacher in suburban Salt Lake City. I have been teaching for 25 years and am almost ready to retire. I completely agree with you about what is going on in the public schools. It's craziness. Boys cannot be girls and girls cannot be boys! I refuse to use the "preferred pronouns." I won't go along with the absurdity in my classroom, but it is getting harder and harder to say no, although I will continue to do so until I retire. My youngest son is a student at BYU Idaho and he is living in "campus approved" housing filled with BYU Idaho students and one of his MALE roommates wears a dress! I guess there is no "honor code" at BYU or BYU-I anymore. We are being taught and pressured to tolerate EVERYTHING!
Thankyou for your comment. Yikes! It's so disturbing that boys wearing dresses at BYU is OK. I think the end is near. The attack on the family is complete.
BYU takes federal money, so they abide by the absurdity. You'd think the First Presidency would recognize the harm by taking those funds, but I digress.
20 years ago, even ten years ago, the student wouldn’t be allowed to attend.
@@oshemer5066 the student would have been able to, but his peers would have shamed him for it.
Bruce Porter is definitely one of my favorite guests you've had on this channel. Great content as always.
Great conversation Greg.
Your and Bruce's bravery in bringing this topic to bear as a valid concern of our church as a whole is laudable.
It is time that we breach this topic among church members.
It’s interesting, my mom who taught elementary and jr high school from the 50’s into the 90’s would always say education started a downward spiral when the federal government came in and took education from the states. The states up until then had control which in turn allowed parents much more involvement.
Just like every other federal program-bloated and inefficient and consistently poor quality.
Parents get straight mad when we have teacher days because seriously we are their daycare. As long as their kids have somewhere to go parents are good with it. Don’t care what they are learning. We wish parents were more involved.
Not in my local school in Ohio. The teachers, board and superintendent wanted ZERO input. The super got fired 2 years ago, thankfully. If you act like daycare, you become daycare! I'm a former teacher. The quality of educators has declined - the NTE no longer exists because it was deemed "too difficult". Standards were lowered. We are now seeing the results.
I saw this coming YEARS ago and started homeschooling my kids from the beginning (now 4th, 2nd & Preschool).
I "mourned" the loss of their public school experience because my husband and I both had such a great experience, and did well. But we were committed.
We have a community with many families of many faiths and the same values. This year, only ONE family in our ward is still at public school (our ward is predominantly a young family ward with K-12 kids). Even the middle & high school kids have slowly left the system since 2020.
It's not even about academics in schools anymore. Everyone should check their county's statistics for education- they're abysmal at best.
The county I grew up in (wealthy family area) predicted that by 2028, only 8% of students will be proficient in Reading, and Math at graduation. 8%!!! What are these kids learning for 13 years in school? An 8% guarantee after 13 years is just unacceptable.
It's not just about academics either. Statistically, a child's peers have more influence than their family (Hold On To Your Kids by Gabor Mate). Do you trust their friends parents to raise them how you would? We can't send our kids to be educated in Rome and be disappointed when they come home Roman.
“And it came to pass that Enoch went forth in the land…testifying against their works; and all men were offended because of him.”
Three cheers for Enoch and a Zion community. Bring it on!
We need that again
Glad to see Bruce again. We sorely missed him at the conference.
The age we live in is upside down, backwards, and inside out all at the same time.
This is one of, if not the best episode I've listened to. Bruce Porter does an amazing job of articulating today's mess! Thank You!
I could listen to Bruce every day, please bring him on more often!
If you remember reading Animal Farm, it was the young that were taught and radicalized. It's happening in reality today. I left the Public School system the last 12 years before I retired 5 years ago and taught at a private LDS-Christian based school here in Las Vegas. Very rewarding. Former students are now missionaries or married with children already.
The problem with not discussing politics is that Satan uses political doctrines and movements to undermine the doctrine of Christ. So what do we do? Not talk about it?
Convincing religious people to not discuss, or engage in, politics is a tool of Satan. It turns the silent faithful into slaves to the dictates of kingmen and gadiantons
I totally agre. No one in my ward eill talk about it. They just go about like all is well in Zion. It's far from being all is well
We must carefully discern the character of others to "Speak not in the ears of a fool" And just WHO is the fool amongst us but those "who recieve not the love of the truth"
But all is not lost, for
"The People will learn righteousness when the judgments of God are in the earth"... and even the fool can see,
(?) that this day is rapidly approaching.
In Revelations 7:9-14
we read of a great multitude, from ALL nations who are dressed in white. "These are they which have come out of Great Tribulation"
I think we all talk about it. Church has very limited time, and we don’t believe in telling others how to vote or whom to vote for.
However, as we study the doctrines of Christ and His church, hopefully it influences politics.
5 foolish virgins and give wise ones. Half the members do feel all is well in Zion.
As I teach the Book of Mormon to my primary class this year, it’s almost like reading today’s headlines. It’s a spiritual and political scripture
@@celindahearld1328there’s a time and a place.
I used to be more vocal on social media. Now I’m more covert, because even my husband’s job is affected if he shares his political views on Facebook.
My mom was released from her calling for speaking on political issues that weren’t in line with the church’s teachings.
I’m very political, but don’t tell people who they should vote for.
Homeschooling has been the absolute best thing for our family. If anyone is on the fence, just try it!
Us too!!!
Totally, My Tech High has been a big help. Anyone thinking homeschooling, write your representative to expand the Utah Fits All scholarship for 5x more support.
Back when parents were home with their children, teaching them at home or at a one room schoolhouse where they had a teacher who the community paid and one family provided room and board for that teacher. The parents who were paying the bills had direct contact with the teacher.
Now, if we, as a society, could stop the worship of teachers and govt school, that would be something. We currently live in Utah and this garbage wouldn't fly if the teachers, many of whom know better, would refuse to comply. -_-
We agree, yet they don’t want to lose their jobs.
@@susienethercott3839 I absolutely get that. At the same time, I increasingly can't trust those folks, seeing that they keep going with it.
@@susienethercott3839and plenty of them are completely fine with it.
I have learned so much listening to the podcast (CWIC). Thank you for all that you do!
Very kind words. Thank you!
My daughter homeschools and she was showing me the curriculum after dinner a couple of nights ago and she’s going to have two or three of her seven children starting Latin this year and she’s going to be teaching it. So therefore, as the teacher you learn, she will be learning Latinwhile she teaches her children Latin. I would venture to say that no public school teaches Latin.
Our high school teaches Latin. It is Latin 1-4.
In our charter school Latin is required at 8th grade
This conversation is so important. Thank you Greg and Brother Porter for your time to provide this discussion. Some very wise comments were made.
You’re welcome!
My daughters took their kids out of school and ate homeschooling them. The school systems in the world are insane! Good to see you Brother Porter. It's been a while!❤
The government of absurdity is what we have in this nation today.
“Don't let your boy's schooling interfere with his education". Mark Twain
We can be educated without being indoctrinated, it's just harder than it used to be.
Restored scripture tells us how.
My parents, who are very active in the church, don't support homeschooling. I think they believe you can't be "in the world" if you don't go to public School. I think they also believe you won't develop a moral backbone learning to be different if you don't practice it in your formative years in public School.
I homeschool my kids because I don't believe in sending them into battle without battle training/armor. I also still feel very much "in the world" with our co-op and extra curriculars.
Also I believe the purpose of education is to pass on values to the next generation. Homeschool is not perfect, but I don't trust the public School to install good, beautiful, and virtuous values in my kids.
What do you think?
Same! And my kids don’t lack backbone. They have the time to learn truth while they’re young, before public school system indoctrinated them into confusion.
They’re also highly social and I swear, if feels like half of California is homeschooling
I'm an "older" Mom and my child is done with school. My husband and I am on pension now and my child is studying through the BYU Program for which I'm very grateful, staying at home and we are there to support each other. Being put under pressure at sweet sixteen from a "friend" my child stood strong - I'm a proud Mom. Today the pressure is immense on our young people. God blessed us with the perfect Gospel, we should not add on or take away to be popular, or justify.
Our break point was a sociology 'teacher' in pleasant grove utah who was teaching 'safe injection sites' and providing the 'sources' which we looked up. 19 were pro sis and 1 had a couple misgivings but was mostly kn favor. When i called the principal of the school and asked what else was in the syllabus guess what was there. Thruples, Polyamory, and other things that according to the 'teacher' a kid who would aoon be voting should know.
I will admit i tried to have her fired. Called a friend at the news station to shine a light.
Yeah. We homeschool.
Curious about the outcome. The teacher still there? This is all so backwards.
Curious which news station? The big ones here in Utah (KSL, and the like) are not a friend of truth, and righteousness. They seem to be antithetical to them actually.
@@asarg1776 her name was/is Miriam Anderson. I think teachers like her should be removed from their activist teaching role permanently. If you want to be an activist, go for it, but don't do it under the guise of a teacher. Maybe it's a sore spot because I used to be a teacher. Admittedly, I had an excellent admin who wouldn't stand for that, but I feel for friends of mine who have to endure the worst kind of leftist garbage. And students who listen to mind poison for 6-8 hours a day.
Are we freeing ourselves into self destruction?
Greg, Alma 60:36 perfectly encapsulates your previous video delving into politics.
"There are a great many branches of education: some go to college to learn languages, some to study law, some to study physic, and some to study astronomy, and various other branches of science. We want every branch of science taught in this place that is taught in the world. But our favorite study is that branch which particularly belongs to the Elders (and Sisters, according to President Nelson) of Israel-namely, theology. Every Elder (and Sister) should become a profound theologian-should understand this branch better than all the world." Brigham Young, 1852 "The duty of the mother is to watch over her children, and give them their early education....children have all confidence in their mothers; and if mothers would take proper pains, they can instill into the hearts of their children what they please." Brigham Young
Homeschooling has been such a blessing for our family! It is a lot of work, but the benefits are exponential. I thank Heavenly Father everyday that He prompted me to bring my kids home and teach them. When we trust the Lord and fulfill our roles as parents, His promises are always fulfilled. If you’re on the fence go ALL IN and see if you don’t see beautiful blessings poor into your home!
Very well said! Thank you!
You’re welcome
I have so enjoyed this enlightening conversation 😊
I believe back in the early days the church talked about not allowing kids to go to government schools.. they tried opening up elm schools but it failed, i believe because ppl saw it was cheaper to put them in gov schools. I know the church has (maybe Hs ) schools in some places, i would put my kids in a Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints school if they opened one here in Utah, how does this become a topic for it to happen 🙃
Yes I read about this too. The church warned of the secularism being taught in schools but the members didn’t support the church schools so they failed. The all is well in Zion worshiped the golden calf of government then and now we are wandering around in the wilderness 40 years in this abysmal mess!
Not only our schools telling you that you have to think and behave this way or you’re a bad person but also your grade is at stake. You can’t give a different opinion. You have to think that way and most people won’t stand up because they need the grade so there’s no opposing opinion in these classes.
One of the most disheartening and isolating parts of all of this is the realization that while we as a people should know and recognize truth clearly, many do not. I’m a firm believer that if we take “Come Follow Me” and President Nelson’s talks seriously, we will have discernment through each book of scripture. Each one has vital truths and clues for recognizing secret combinations and idols of our own time. The phenomenon you talked about in the culture is also prevalent in our church meetings. (Thanks to voices like both of yours we are not completely disillusioned, so thank you) - At church if you are promoting woke theories and ideologies in talks, lessons, etc. It is not only acceptable, but there is an attitude of virtue and “nuance” around it. If, however, you try to defend the family proclamation, or give a comment countering the narrative that we are the most racist nation, or that Christopher Columbus was evil, or that we should fly the pride flag in the name of love….then you are being, “political in church, extreme, or not a peacemaker.” And quite frankly even defending the Proclamation brings a spirit of contention, so it is better to be muted and isolated it feels like.
Really? May I ask you where you live?
This is absolutely true in my son's singles ward in TX.
I have experienced this as well in a Ward in San Diego County. I was a counselor in the Relief Society and I used the Proclamation of the Family while teaching a RS lesson on the family. The RS president took me aside after the meeting and let me know not to bring the Proclamation up again because that would offend some of the sisters present, as they had gay and lesbian children and thus this was an offense to them. After I taught that lesson, the RS president never included me on the visits to sisters we as a presidency made.
Yep! That’s why we only go to Sacrament meeting and then go home and have home church!
Also I have missed Bruce's.Come.Follow me weekly podcasts. Where can we find his articles ? Thank you to both of you for evrrything!
During “Covid“ when they were broadcasting over the Internet, the lessons to the kids my daughter got her kindergarten set up on the computer and got logged in so that he could participate in the lesson that was going to be taught, I don’t remember the subject, but then she went back to her Office in the house to go into a online meeting. She happened to walk away from the meeting for whatever reason I don’t know and walked where her kindergarten was and saw what they were presenting to him promptly. The computer off told him he could go outside and play with his brothers, she has seven children, and, got a hold of the school and said that she was done and that they were not participating in whatever the school system had to offer for the remote learning. She is since been to the conference in Texas for homeschooling and gets information from the homeschooling, legal defense league.
I like how you put “COVID” in quotes. I don’t call it that anymore. I call it “during the lockdown.”
Our prophets have taught us to write down all the miracles and spiritual experiences we have! So if we do, there would be so much good for others to learn and get courage from!!
That is spot on. It is our choice (agency) to take offense to someone or something said. This goes to personal responsibility. Which we don’t have today. Our feelings are created by us. The great thing is we choose.
For the last several years, I have been teaching High School science classes at an LDS based homeschool co-op. The past 3 years we have seen an influx of families wanting to place their children in our program. Some of these kids come in with some really "interesting" ideas. 🤔
The fairy tales were there to warn us about the very real monsters that exist within our souls. When we called the stories childish we invited the monster from the pages back into our world.
Yes!
“It is a greater sin to take offense then it is to give offense.”
Thank you! That puts into words so well the idea I’ve been trying to convey in conversations for years.
Everyone has the right to be offensive. But does that make it right to be?
Are we responsible to ensure that other people are not sinning as a reaction to our actions?
No. They are responsible for themselves.
But is it right to take actions that will cause others to have feelings that cause them to sin?
Maybe. It depends. If the action will cause someone to have bad feelings, you really need to weigh out if it is important enough to do/say to take that risk.
I feel “micro-aggressions” (or the taking offense of them) are weaponized against people unjustly very often. However, all of us need to be careful about being civil and tactful in what we say. But even still we all need to, like Nephi, declare the truth and do what is right even if others are going to take it hard.
That actually brings me to the topic of modesty (I know, random tangent). But I feel like modesty has been twisted so that any discussion of modesty is a micro-aggression. The narrative right now is that teaching modesty is telling girls/women that if a boy/man has lustful thoughts because of the clothes you wear it is her fault and he is absolved of any guilt. (I have never been in a young men’s lesson where the instructor said “you know, if she is immodest, it’s ok to lust after her.” Only the exact opposite) Keep in mind that “It is a greater sin to [lust after others] then it is to [dress immodestly].” Wouldn’t wearing clothes that cause others to have lustful thoughts be the micro-aggression? You have the right to dress how you want, but does that make it right to dress in a way that will cause others to feel feelings that lead to sin? So, similar to when it comes to saying things that might cause someone to take offense, we must ask the question of is what I am wearing so important that if it cause other to have inappropriate thoughts that lead to sin it is still important enough to wear it anyway and take that risk.
Where I can see where there are things important enough to say to take that risk of offending someone, I struggle to see when wearing immodest clothing is important enough to risk causing someone to have impure thoughts and actions.
I do t understand why people would be so upset about talking about politics. Politics is a form of religion. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught we need to be involved in them. They are not honestly separate. If anything I wish we as a church were far more involved from the top down outwardly in politics.
Yes, we are taught to seek a good education. But education has little to do with a degree. Seek learning out of the best books. Etc.
I have recently heard several parents say something to the effect that they can't wait until their young children will get taught how to obey! They apparently did not accept the responsibility of teaching obedience on their own. To me, it seems that they are anxious to turn their parenting responsibilities to the state! I am not sure how these young mothers view having children. Tolerating their children for 5 years until the state "fixes" them! ????
Being like Mardi gras everyday is a PERFECT example. Im in louisiana and yes we use to go to mardi but to thr ateas that had gamily mardi gras! I can tell you most of thr mard gras in Mew Orleand even yrs ago was sickening. O csn only imagine how bad it is now. Anyway that was a perfect example for people here that know exactly what goes on at mardi gras! Its a freak show!
My education in public schools never involved morality or spirituality teachings! It was called family life where these things were learned and understood, if we look at the scriptures concerning Sodom and Gomorra we are realizing those same results of wicked people teaching children wicked ways! If we look to God in all things, he will do what is necessary to get us all home as soon as possible and I can’t wait for his plan to take place. You two are awesome and thank you for helping us all be more aware!!!
i TOTALLY AGREE! I tell people all the time " if you're going to take offense, you'd better take one with a gate in it so you can get in and out, and if you get a complex over that make sure it's a multi-plex so you can afford to live in it." Any of you have my content to use this fraise.
The reason mothers have to go into the workforce is because of the way that the deep state has structured the economy. Father/men are not making the amount of money that they need to make to support a family pay a mortgage by the food and all the things that go along with that in order for the father to support the family and let the Mother’s Day home with the children which is what should happen. I am deep into family Search and as I research these families, they’re all have eight 10, 10, 12, some as many as 16 children. And I can see and doing the research that if a mother died in childbirth, a father would remarry to have somebody to raise the children. He would continue to have children with her.
Back in the 1800s fathers were able to provide for lots of children with a stay at home mom
My father, who was a human resource director, and had previously owned his own geological survey business, stated that at one time we had living wages when men where to one supporting families. When women started entering the workforce that changed, and salaries actually started to decrease because employers realized they did not have to pay as much. Of course there are other social and economic issues in that time period, such as very low wages for single mothers and ethnic classes, but in general a husband could support his family. We also have to get the narrative back to minimum wage is not and never was meant to be a living wage.
We still can. Not everyone of course. I don’t get to buy many new clothes, fancy makeup and other luxuries. But I have a short window of time to be with, nurture and educate my children.
It’s a sacrifice. But we do have a roof over our head and plenty of food.
I get that not everyone has the luxury to homeschool.
It’s also very difficult if the mother struggles with depression or adhd (like I do). Sometimes I have to consider what I can and cannot handle.
So far, I’m homeschooling. But I have no idea what the future will hold
Greg, you said it earlier in this broadcast, instead being educated in math and science, they're educating our kids on their version of morals, and fluid truth, they're not addressing absolute truth in math science and history.
Thank you!
Excellent conversation. Very very true.
I was initially resistant when God called me
to homeschool my children starting in 2007. It was overwhelming. After 17 years of homeschooling, it’s so obvious this one choice allowed our family to thrive in study and in faith. Truly God had more in mind for my family than I did.
Bravo, I love listing to the two of you. I fear we, as a society are loosing our morals and ethics at a warp speed rate. I also see how quick we are to find and make excuses for behavior that is contrary to the commandments of God. As parents in southern Nevada we have resorted to home school for the past 8 years because we observe how the school system here is used as a tool to indoctrinate our children with ideas contrary to Fathers Plan. Over the years we have watched as the school district here has forced parents out of their children’s education. They don’t even teach the basics anymore. These are scary times
I am glad that Br Porter stated that our political thinking should be based on our belief in the Plan of Salvation. Too many people think that so called political choices need to have laws, such as gay marriage and transgenderism, need to be passed because people have ‘free’ agency. I have heard Elder Bednar in two settings, a video of a fireside in Mexico, and later in a fireside of the youth in our area, say at we were given our agency for one reason only. That reason is to choose Jesus Christ. He said that choosing anything else is not using our agency for the purpose that it was given to us. So it makes sense that if we must use our agency to choose to follow Christ, if we vote for people or support political causes that advocate choices that are directly opposed to the doctrines of Christ, then we are in fact choosing NOT to follow our Savior, Jesus Christ.
"I think, therefore I am." Descartes
Talking about moving a civilization away from values. We have an entire party that has now decided you wear the label of “weird” if you are conservative. That behavior is 100% contrary to the narrative of the liberal left of being inclusive and not offending someone even if they are different. And yet their presidential candidate is drawing heavily into that label. Is another evidence that they aren’t truly interested in not offending people or treating others inclusively but instead making sure the only thing and people that get included are people that think and act like them.
Dang, so Bruce is not a Noticer. I guess I'm not too surprised because as aware as Greg is he's still pretty normie and they are good friends. No matter, I still LOVE Bruce and he's one of my all-time favorite church scholars. And Bruce, NEVER apologize for bringing up and quoting the scriptures! That's a feature not a bug. ;)
The complete lack of noticing here is really frustrating.
@@frankplissken143 Yes it is. And beyond that it's the Khazarian boot licking. The majority of church members do the same which is why pilling them on the final boss is sooo difficult.
Great content, I'll check back more often.
Thanks!
You’re welcome. And thank you!
I am at the tribe of Ephraim through my patriarchal blessing, and I do not feel adopted at all because I know that most of my genealogy comes from England and France and Scotland and Ireland and guess what if you listen to watch your Palmer Scott Palmer channel. You will see that he took a couple of trips to England and to France and those tours that he went on Were explaining how the “lost 10 tribes“ are those people who went to England and when the missionaries from the church first went out abroad they went to England and a lot of the Saints that came to Utah were first generations from England or part of the last 10 tribes
I have friends that are not religious, and I can feel their children reducating them.
Politics can't fix an immoral people. The message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ found in the Book of Mormon is to individualy come unto Christ and be sanctified by His atoning blood and grace. The individual people of the United States have chosen to follow the God of this world. People must be righteous to choose just and moral policies. The U S. Is in its death throes. The Constitution will survive through a righteous remnant who will still uphold its principles, but the current government will be destroyed due to the people's wickedness. Only the Gospel of Jesus Christ can change people to vote for good government. If people are not righteous, then you get what we have today. The political scene we witness currently is just a symptom of the majority of the people rejecting Jesus Christ's commandments.
Very well said. Since when has politics been in line with constitutional principles or the gospel of Jesus Christ? LOL! Not in my lifetime and I am reaching half a century. George Washington was right in his farewell address warning us about parties. All parties have done is endless wars, money laundering, and inhumane acts I can't post on UA-cam without it being removed. The uniparty pretends to be separate dividing us on issues while selling us out. Foreign entanglements and special interest are their agenda while they live like kings and party like rockstars.
What did the founding say? THE CONSTITUTION IS FOR A MORAL AND RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. So all of us who are a moral and religious people should have been and sgmhoukd be defending the original Constitution. Not the one govt has changed to fit their narrative. We havent ever done thus and we arent niw. We are claiming about it but doing nothing ti defend it as our oast proohets counceled us to do and warned us of these days.
Bravo Bruce Porter! Yes, politics and religion are connected! For all truth is circumscribed into one great whole! So many don't understand this simple truth...
I appreciate the comments on what it means to be valiant in the context of society and government. We need to do our homework and vote our conscience!
One of the past prophets or apostle said something like, "Shame on me if I get offended when someone didn't mean to offend me, and shame on me when I get offended even if they DID mean to offend me." I think it was John Taylor but I'm not sure.
I think it was BY
we always hear that we are a nation of laws, we are not. we are a nation of moralities fastened into laws. when you have anti moral laws what do you have?
This was a very important subject but it was very depressing
Just because the children live with mom, doesnt mean the fathers are off the hook! The fathers need to be involved with morality and keeping schools moral just as much or more than the mothers!!
This conversation reminded me of Mormon Doctrine, Bruce R McConkie’s book. For a long time it was approved as one of the few books missionaries could bring on their missions. Now it is out of print, scorned openly as bigoted and old fashioned, and if anyone brings up the principles contained therein in Sunday School there is always one person who interrupts to proclaim that book as heresy it seems 😒
We have fallen into a rabbit hole and discovered it was really an ABYSS.
When I grew up I had grandparents aunts and uncles. Community,tribe. So now people live far away from their tribe. Their family. The family has always been the foundation of the society. When we abandon our own responsibity in the family, that is what we get. So blame someone else if you want to. But it it your responsibility. ❤ I was amazed that as a child white people had to have lessons on how to be a human being. We learned that at home. Naturally. It was common since. Example was the best teacher. So if we let anyone else teach that, then we get what we get.
We should always speak out against that is wrong or evil. It can be done in a way that attracts not the person or persons but what they are doing or saying. But we must SPEEK OUT.
So so good😊
We will all be offended, it’s inevitable and we don’t need to be given the “right” to do so. Any statement or action, just is. It’s our own judgments and beliefs that cause us to suffer. It’s all within.
The key is 1. recognizing when we are triggered 2. resist the urge to lash out and instead 3. get still, long enough for the brain to transition back from the amygdala (part of the brain that's most closely associated with fear, emotions fight or fight) back to the prefrontal cortex (the part of the brain the deals with executive functioning, and logic.) 4.Observe your own internal world and reactivity, without judgment.
Once we are thinking from the rational problem solving area of the brain we can 5. get curious about ourself and the “offender”, again, with curiosity and without judgment.
This all probably sounds “woke” to most on this channel but the proof is in the pudding, as they say.
It’s been my experience that this is the end of war and internal suffering, less rumination and more empathy, love and understanding. 🙏🏼❤️
No, we are supposed to judge...all the time. Then act accordingly.
Good/bad philosophy. Good/bad teaching in school. Good/bad behavior, or book, or friend, or song or movie, or teacher, etc.
I get angry seeing pride activities; bad philosophy, bad behaviors, bad sexuality, bad influence, because almost everytime I see it, the pride people are targeting my children.
I call them out publicly, I stand up for our God, our religion, our freedom, our peace, our wives and our children. Let them be offended.
I have to disagree with Bruce about morality in school.
Please consider this - The founding fathers of our nation supported basic Judeo-Christian morality within school, but NO support of a specific religion. Prayer was a part of school. The 10 commandments were foundational. Education *should* contain such foundational morality. When referencing a supreme power, use the word 'Creator'.
When you talked about zombies I thought for sure you were going to bring up demons/possession. I find it interesting the historically it was the religious people (priests) who cast out and saved people from demons. In today’s films, it is usually the priest himself that is the actual demon. They have flipped religion on its head there too.
Yes. And evil nuns and so on😂
Another great episode. Things are definitely getting scary everywhere in the world, not just in America.
“I think, therefore I am” was René Descartes, but nice point!
Thanks for the correction.
@@CwicShow I only remembered it from a Monty Python song I heard as a teenager…
It is an immutable phenomenon that;
Tough times create strong men (and women!).
Strong men produce good times.
Good times bring about weakened men.
Weak men bring evil times.
Mosiah 29:26-27; “Now it is not common that the voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the people to desire that which is not right; therefore this shall ye observe and make it your law-to do your business by the voice of the people. And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land.”
D & C 101:77-78; “According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles; That every man may act in accordance with the moral agency which I have given unto him, that every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of judgment.”
Proverbs 6:16-19; “These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.” All the things that the Lord hates are in our nation today. Those who love the Lord work to remove things that the Lord hates from our nation.
Proverbs 17:15; “He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.” Shedding innocent blood is wicked. Those who justify other's right to shed innocent blood are also wicked by saying that it is their right to choose.
D & C 98:9-10: “Nevertheless, when the wicked rule the people mourn. Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.”
You have the higher law and the laws of man. You have the "powers that be" straining society to the point that both husband and wife had to work to keep food on the table and a roof over their head. Then you have the state raising the kids and taking God out of schools, our of our courthouses, and our of memory (for many). I am so grateful my daughter in law teaches her children at home. We have a real mess. I hope we can rectify the damage that has been done. Satan has creeped in silently unseen and unsuspected, and few saw this coming...But I really hope that the Spirit is poured out upon the heads of these kids, and help their understanding...
In the Book of Mormon we have a story that illustrates the consequences of a "woke" mindset: The story of Zeniff.
Good example. I think it is the whole book.
At 1:10:35 what if the BOM is a historical prophecy? I believe it is in a way. The subjects and stories included are for our day so we can recognize the same patterns of societal and spiritual deterioration that we are now experiencing. Alma (2) chose to preach the word of God so the hearts and minds of the people would change, and turn to God in repentance through faith in the Redeemer. That was how the downward cycle was interrupted.
That's where we are today: we need to turn to God and repent (individually and as a people) or the kinds of destruction described in the scriptures will befall this land. We need to petition Heaven for help.
Our church buildings sit empty all week long during the day. It seems they could be used better during the week. There are gyms, kitchens, chapels and classrooms that could be used for education at the literal drop of an announcement. I wonder what the bretheren have pondered regarding this education issue. Personally i would just prefer to fix our existing education system since it has all the resources and culture that makes being a kid in America fun. Just corrupted.
There may come a time for that
Both sides need to try not to be so offended and to try not to give offense. Problem solved.
Bottom line is you can’t separate who you are!
My son who was born in 1978, when in high school they’d ask him questions he would fill it out erroneously if they ask him if he was having sex, he would say yes if they ask him how often she say every day and he would come home and tell us that he was putting erroneous information on these forms he even on some form mark that he was African-American and he started getting stuff in the mail for collegesthat were predominantly African-American. He thought it was a big joke. He figured if he lied to them, he would throw off their numbers which he probably did.
That is Satan's goal to eliminate our freedom and take us to hell. See quote by Heber J Grant.
how about " I think therefore I AM "
What article from Bruce are you referencing? I'd like to read the whole thing.
I may start posting this on cwicmedia.com I'll let you know when that happens.
Yes I wondered that also.
Thanks for the podcast
This is going to sound unkind to Greg, but nobody has a right not to be offended. For anyone reading this, have you spent time on your own with the Lord yet today? The full phrase is "The philosophies of men, mingled with scripture" and Greg's title "The philosophies of men" is only one side of the coin. One side of the coin is all that any UA-camr is giving the children of men if the children of men have not given the Lord His fair share of time with the heart. His will, not mine. Great content here with Greg, but please don't forget your God first!!! May God bless you all!
The discourse is all about mingling with scripture. The point is, to learn where these philosophies come from, what they do, and how to help your family resist them by contrasting them with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I think we were clear about that.
We already know what the other side of the coin is. Your comment is very condescending, how would you know how much time any of us spend with the Lord??
@@jodie672 My point isn't to offend. Nobody has a right to not be offended as Greg and his guest pointed out, but everybody has a responsibility to not take offense even if it is given. In my case, I'm not looking to offend, but rather to point out that any podcast pales in comparison to spending time with the Lord in Scripture. I had to learn this the hard way, and if you didn't and already spend the time necessary alone with the Lord to know what I'm talking about then this shouldn't be offensive or condescending at all. Greg missed my point. The philosophies of men mingled with scripture isn't a good thing. That is quite literally the opposite of what I'm talking about which is spending time alone with the Lord in quiet contemplation, and not allowing UA-cam videos and podcasts to take the place of spending time with the Lord in that manner.
@@CwicShow Thanks. You proved my point. The philosophies of men mingled with scripture is not really a good thing. The philosophies from God delivered personally through private and quiet study, alone with the Lord, learning through personal revelation by the power of the Holy Ghost is a much better way to learn. You have great content, but my comment is directed at reminding people to not listen solely to UA-cam videos and podcasts and think that they'll have the same experience as personal scripture study. Most people don't have time to listen to shows like yours AND read their scriptures. Since I never hear you remind people to spend time with the Lord in the scriptures, and because I myself got caught up in listening to podcasts and shows like yours, thinking that I was "feasting" but was mostly just scratching my itchy ears with the philosophies of men mingled with scripture, I figured I'd project my experience and remind others to not fall into the same trap as I did and miss the other side of the coin; personal revelation.