I often see people running deep aero wheels with much wider tires than the rim (like these 25 tires on 21 mm wide & 65mm deep rims). Does this negate all the aero benefits? In your experience, is this setup more or less aero than say a 40mm deep wheel with a flush rim to tire width? Would love to know your thoughts (and maybe a video on this) because I see people doing this (deep wheel and much wider tire setup) all the time. Thanks Travis
The VeloBuild VB-177 is a great value for the price. Classic proportions and nimble riding characteristics. Wheels will always play a huge role for dynamics, and I think this combo is the way to go. Shimano 105 Di2 feels just as excellent as the Ultegra variant.
I've been watching your content for quite sometime now and it's first time to reply. I always wanted to build a cost effective/quality chinese bike (sorry not sorry bike snobs) but my main concern if it can handle my weight (140KGs). I currently riding steel bikes and go easy on my equipment (avoid standing up on climbs). TIA
@@baboinsky Thanks for watching! The allure with carbon frames (affordable or not) is lightweight and stiffness, respectively. However, bike weight no longer becomes a priority when the rider is above 90kg. Frame weight is such a small percentage at that point. Steel can be just as stiff as carbon, offers better road feel, and can handle larger riders more safely. I don't think these frames are rated for riders above 120kg.
I just got a GV-003 Velobuild built up and the only issue I had was with the headset. The fork steerer tube was a bit undersized (we are talking a few thou, so not dangerously so), and the tapered C-shaped lockring thing would bottom out before tightening fully on the steerer tube. I fixed it by wrapping the steerer tube in a piece of 0.006" shim stock, which allowed the headset to preload. Guess I could have also done this with a wrap of carbon fiber, and maybe I'll do that some day. Happy with the overall quality for $600 delivered to the US with frame, fork, handlebars, and seatpost.
@@PatrickLinoyeah, I ended up putting on a Hover (but aero) clone aerobar to get some more stack out of the setup and now have an extra bar. And I am changing the seat post to an Elita setback post as I got a straight one initially. Hard to guess your position on a new bike. Just means some more fun AliExpress shopping trips and the 3 week wait.
Patric, you speak of the Velo Build VB-R-268 (268). Just so happen to have received the 268 in Red Ice. I am currently assembling it with Shamino Utregra 8000 group set I had extra. Yes, this build will have mechanical brakes. I got some super nice TRP SRC's to try. I know, but cheap is cheap when adding to my old Utergra mechanical group. I had to do some custom routing between bars and head tube to be able to get cables to get along seems fine. How ever if this doesn't work out for me, I will try the new 105 DI2. I will update later this Spring. Almost forgot about the wheels, Toykowheels Epic 3.4 Disc. I have used Toyko's on my other bike they seem pretty good so had to go with them again. Too I bad can't put a pic on here this bike looks sick. I look forward to seeing a review your 268 as soon as you get it.
Sad to hear you are selling it, but we have to move on right. I'm from Miami, and built my current ride using that same frame a year or so ago after I watched your videos.
Patrick my friend.. I hope you are doing good. Happy Labor day brother. How can you compare the ride of this frame with the Hyper wheels and the Magene wheels? As always, ride save brother. Peace. ✌
Hi there - This bike has been sold, so no more testing. Personally speaking I really love the Magene EXRA Ultra. Having an internal rim width of 23mm makes 28c tires stretch to 30mm which is perfect where I live. They are lighter and more affordable than the Hypers while having basically the same specs. However, if you really "need" deep depth wheels, Magene does not make any just yet. 50/58 is the deepest they make while the Hypers are 60/67 deep. Honestly besides the internal width you can go wrong with either. Both wheels are in my Top 3 fav wheels.
@@PatrickLino especially for gravel! Actually want to build one but I have 2x11 grx mechanical on hand. I don’t want to run that shit internally lol. Maybe the GR029 from TanTan/Seraph
@@OmarCalderon01 Someone on the forums mentioned the carbon layup inconsistencies with budget frames like these. While my 168 was a noodle, other say their copy was good. That tells me perhaps VeloBuild is using different factories (or manufacturing process) for the same frame. Also too, smaller frame sizes will inherently be more stiff/rigid than lager frames that will flex more. Maybe I'll build my 168 again and use top tier components to see if I still feel the same way nowadays.
Hi Patrick! Can you share more info about the headset and cap setup? I would love to replace the stock integrated handlebars that came with my LTK268/velobuild 099. I am using the sensah groupset, and running 4 cables through the handlebars is a nightmare. i would love to play around with the stem length.
Even on sale the 105 Di2 is still an investment. However, there are so many upsides. The battery life lasts for months, shift performance is perfect, and bleeding the brakes is MUCH EASIER than previous Shimano hydraulic groupsets. The groupset will be useful for years to come regardless of your frame choice.
Hey Patrick, when you say the bars are 40cm is that end to end or center to center? I am just asking, because the VeloBuild website doesn't really say how they measure.
Im 6 feet tall. Saddle is like 77cm. In retrospect I should have purchased a size 56, but thankfully the individual this bike is going to is a tad shorter than me.
I freakin love the paintjob I did myself on my 168. Just didn't find the ride dynamics to be what I expected. My guess is the 268 will fix all of that.
Looks sick but I'd never buy another Velobuild frame. I got a frame that wasn't aligned/made correctly and they won't honor their warranty after talking to every support person possible, should've bought with a credit card and done a chargeback 🤷♂
Looks a lot better than the Pinalrello knock off they did last time.
Do I have a Giant Propel story for you kind sir! Let's just say...I will be dropping a bomb of video about Giant if they don't fix my problem soon.
@@PatrickLino You can always ping me some video, if I can smell a reaming, I'll be there
@@PatrickLino bombs away!
@@PatrickLino credit card chargeback
I often see people running deep aero wheels with much wider tires than the rim (like these 25 tires on 21 mm wide & 65mm deep rims). Does this negate all the aero benefits? In your experience, is this setup more or less aero than say a 40mm deep wheel with a flush rim to tire width? Would love to know your thoughts (and maybe a video on this) because I see people doing this (deep wheel and much wider tire setup) all the time. Thanks Travis
The VeloBuild VB-177 is a great value for the price. Classic proportions and nimble riding characteristics. Wheels will always play a huge role for dynamics, and I think this combo is the way to go. Shimano 105 Di2 feels just as excellent as the Ultegra variant.
✊🏾💯
I've been watching your content for quite sometime now and it's first time to reply. I always wanted to build a cost effective/quality chinese bike (sorry not sorry bike snobs) but my main concern if it can handle my weight (140KGs). I currently riding steel bikes and go easy on my equipment (avoid standing up on climbs). TIA
@@baboinsky Thanks for watching! The allure with carbon frames (affordable or not) is lightweight and stiffness, respectively. However, bike weight no longer becomes a priority when the rider is above 90kg. Frame weight is such a small percentage at that point. Steel can be just as stiff as carbon, offers better road feel, and can handle larger riders more safely. I don't think these frames are rated for riders above 120kg.
Great video. Super excited to check it out.
Great info as usual!! I built a velo 177 myself thanks to you. I studied every move you did building it and it came out amazing!! You da man!
I just got a GV-003 Velobuild built up and the only issue I had was with the headset. The fork steerer tube was a bit undersized (we are talking a few thou, so not dangerously so), and the tapered C-shaped lockring thing would bottom out before tightening fully on the steerer tube. I fixed it by wrapping the steerer tube in a piece of 0.006" shim stock, which allowed the headset to preload. Guess I could have also done this with a wrap of carbon fiber, and maybe I'll do that some day. Happy with the overall quality for $600 delivered to the US with frame, fork, handlebars, and seatpost.
I wish VeloBuild offered a small discount if a customer opts out of needing a set of handlebars/stem.
@@PatrickLinoyeah, I ended up putting on a Hover (but aero) clone aerobar to get some more stack out of the setup and now have an extra bar. And I am changing the seat post to an Elita setback post as I got a straight one initially. Hard to guess your position on a new bike. Just means some more fun AliExpress shopping trips and the 3 week wait.
Patric, you speak of the Velo Build VB-R-268 (268). Just so happen to have received the 268 in Red Ice. I am currently assembling it with Shamino Utregra 8000 group set I had extra. Yes, this build will have mechanical brakes. I got some super nice TRP SRC's to try. I know, but cheap is cheap when adding to my old Utergra mechanical group. I had to do some custom routing between bars and head tube to be able to get cables to get along seems fine. How ever if this doesn't work out for me, I will try the new 105 DI2. I will update later this Spring. Almost forgot about the wheels, Toykowheels Epic 3.4 Disc. I have used Toyko's on my other bike they seem pretty good so had to go with them again. Too I bad can't put a pic on here this bike looks sick. I look forward to seeing a review your 268 as soon as you get it.
Send me a pic via my Instagram. Also I'm still waiting on shipping for the 268. Thanks for watching!
@orvillemoody3540 how was the quality of the frame and painting du you reckon?
Quite nice@@rasmuswh the build fit and finish they did well.
My faveorite part is when your fingers went inside the hole 🥵
Just practicing for when I come see you!
Great video! I was thinking about this frameset, and like your build. I want to build a featherweight for my 72yr old bod!
72 years old? That's impressive! Chapeau!
Wow! Very nice build!
Thanks for watching!
@@PatrickLino Thanks for your content ❤️
Sad to hear you are selling it, but we have to move on right. I'm from Miami, and built my current ride using that same frame a year or so ago after I watched your videos.
I may be down in Miami this Spring. We shall see!
I like the matching bar end plugs :)
Details matter haha
@@PatrickLino I like the little touches
Patrick my friend.. I hope you are doing good. Happy Labor day brother.
How can you compare the ride of this frame with the Hyper wheels and the Magene wheels?
As always, ride save brother. Peace. ✌
Hi there - This bike has been sold, so no more testing. Personally speaking I really love the Magene EXRA Ultra. Having an internal rim width of 23mm makes 28c tires stretch to 30mm which is perfect where I live. They are lighter and more affordable than the Hypers while having basically the same specs. However, if you really "need" deep depth wheels, Magene does not make any just yet. 50/58 is the deepest they make while the Hypers are 60/67 deep. Honestly besides the internal width you can go wrong with either. Both wheels are in my Top 3 fav wheels.
Would be very interested to see you test Velobuild's new bike, maybe they could send the frame out to you again
We shall see...
Sweet bike Nothing wrong with 105. Even Al Green was cool with it.
LET"S STAY TOGETHERRRRRRRRRR
@@PatrickLino haha lock tight.
It actually looks great. I just wish companies stopped only making new fully internal only frames 😢
ESPECIALLY for gravel bikes!
@@PatrickLino especially for gravel! Actually want to build one but I have 2x11 grx mechanical on hand. I don’t want to run that shit internally lol. Maybe the GR029 from TanTan/Seraph
Thanks for the video. That FSA headset looks so simple and clean, do you think 3 cables could fit in it (RD, FD &, rear brake cables)?
Four cables can fit actually. I've also used that headset to run 2 mechanical shift and 2 hydraulic brake cables. Makes the job less painful.
Nice vid and nice build.
I don’t know man. For me, the 168 is the best frame Velobuild puts out. But hey, different strokes for different folks right?
VeloBuild wouldn’t need to release the 268, if the 168 is the best frame they offer.
@@PatrickLinodifferent carbon? Or marketing machine at work.
@@OmarCalderon01 I don’t work for them lol
@@PatrickLino sorry my good man. Didn’t mean that at all.
@@OmarCalderon01 Someone on the forums mentioned the carbon layup inconsistencies with budget frames like these. While my 168 was a noodle, other say their copy was good. That tells me perhaps VeloBuild is using different factories (or manufacturing process) for the same frame. Also too, smaller frame sizes will inherently be more stiff/rigid than lager frames that will flex more. Maybe I'll build my 168 again and use top tier components to see if I still feel the same way nowadays.
Hi Patrick!
Can you share more info about the headset and cap setup? I would love to replace the stock integrated handlebars that came with my LTK268/velobuild 099. I am using the sensah groupset, and running 4 cables through the handlebars is a nightmare. i would love to play around with the stem length.
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Howdy! Thanks for watching. The link FSA I shared shows all the specs. 4 cables do fit as I've ran that combo before in the past no problem.
great job
Aye thanks Irv! See you in July.
I’m debating on going from mechanical 105 to Di2 105.
Even on sale the 105 Di2 is still an investment. However, there are so many upsides. The battery life lasts for months, shift performance is perfect, and bleeding the brakes is MUCH EASIER than previous Shimano hydraulic groupsets. The groupset will be useful for years to come regardless of your frame choice.
@@PatrickLino I didn’t know it held a charge that long! I was like, “that’s another device I’ll need to charge.” Lol
@@jessiewade9202 Yup! Around 1500-1800 miles between charges 😮
Hey Patrick, when you say the bars are 40cm is that end to end or center to center? I am just asking, because the VeloBuild website doesn't really say how they measure.
As mentioned in the video, those bars are not from VeloBuild. They are Prime Bike Components. 40cm center to center 👍🏾
Looks like I need to come back to Chicago 😎
Maybe I can find you some better discotheques too!
It's a delight to watch your videos Patrick...one question, are you very tall? With size 54, at what height do you carry the saddle? thanks
Im 6 feet tall. Saddle is like 77cm. In retrospect I should have purchased a size 56, but thankfully the individual this bike is going to is a tad shorter than me.
Great info!
Thanks Dan!
Nice bike! Did you find any defect about the frame ?
Nope
Hey Patrick. How's that giant propel frame holding up? I'm thinking about building one myself.
it's not holding up...
@@PatrickLino Can you elaborate or not at liberty to say?
@VSCycling All will be revealed one day 😀
No reflectors on the sale of a new bike #jailtime Nice looking build.
GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL
Hey Patty, what is the weight of that build? Thanks. Wish I could afford Di2.
My guess is around 7.6-7.7kg
What do you think of the elite edge or drive wheelsets? Also the pro x wheelset?
Can only speak on the Elite Drive wheels, which you can find videos on my channel
I'm trying to justify upgrading from the 168 to the 268
I freakin love the paintjob I did myself on my 168. Just didn't find the ride dynamics to be what I expected. My guess is the 268 will fix all of that.
@@PatrickLinoI like that paint job also.
Hey man if you haven't reviewed FFWD wheels or Drives wheels I have a set of each that you're more than welcome to try. I am in Logan.
Thanks man! Very kind of you. There’s plenty of Elite Drive content on the channel if you fancy taking a look.
Looks sick but I'd never buy another Velobuild frame. I got a frame that wasn't aligned/made correctly and they won't honor their warranty after talking to every support person possible, should've bought with a credit card and done a chargeback 🤷♂
Sorry to hear. Recent customer feedback says VeloBuild has made improvements. Hoping they can continue to improve.
@@PatrickLino How recent? This was an ongoing issue through all of 2023 and I gave up.
What BB did you use for this frame and Di2? Link maybe?
Shimano supplies a standard pressfit BB with the full groupset.
I'm from Chicago also. Why not just go 1x?
As I mentioned in this video....this bike is not for me. And there are place 2 hours west of Chicago with all the climbing you need.
I never knew shimano 105 had di2,
I was expecting the frame to be about 1,200$.
Looks good man
yeah man the frame is a great value. Obviously the star of the show is the groupset though LoL
How do those wheels handle crosswinds?
On par with what you expect for 65mm deep. Stability is rider weight dependent
Nice trash hut you've found there to film...haha
Don't make fun of my home like that!