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Ducati 1098 vs 848
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2007
- Ducati reckon its new 848 is much smaller than just a 'small 1098' so MCN road tester Michael Neeves puts it directly against its bigger brother to find out
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The handling through the twisty sections will make you smile more than the power, although if you have never rode a bike like this before, your be more than impressed.
I like the commentator, informative, straight and to the point. More vids :P
I went for the 848, I wanted something nice and fast but didn’t need anything over a liter, still love them all.
Ok so now I have watched the actual video, what an awesome 848, I've always like sportsbikes in white and that looks brilliant, a set of aftermarket pipes and it would be perfect.
You're right, aftermarket pipes do help, but I still don't get the same reaction or emotive feelings about the tune of those Ducati engines. This is one of the reasons I got the Daytona, because the exhaust note is deeper and more unique than any of the Japanese bikes, but also is high pitched and smooth enough to not resemble a lawn mower. But hey, to each his own, but I like what I like.
Both are amazing machines, I will say to go with the 1098 because I'm a firm believer in that there is no replacement for displacement. Also the 848 doesn't have the dry clutch which makes it not sound like a Ducati. The 848 does seem to be a bit easier to ride though, as it is not as touchy with less power, smaller brakes, wet clutch, and being a touch lighter.
Hardly the case. 1098 owners have ridden my 848 and told me flat out that the power delivers a bit smoother and that the bike feels lighter and is easier to push in the twisties. It's a no-brainer that the 1098 is a faster, more powerful bike, but that doesn't necessarily equate to being able to ride it faster in the canyons.
with the right rider its faster than most new Ducatis
Ducati is the Ferrari of motorcycles..
.. but MV Agusta is Bugatti of motorcycles.
has the ducati have dry clutch??
sorry for my englishj
I'm about to buy one of these...I'm 1.60 m tall...Is there a big difference between these two, motorcycles? Is the 848 much smaller/easier to drive?
Thanks..
Yeah, since the previous posts, I have gotten my monster. I couldn't be happier. I put over 2,000 miles on it in the last few months and I think I am ready for an upgrade. S4RS is what I am looking for now. That or the new streetfighter. We'll see.
Thanks for the comment though. I completely agree with respecting the bike. Happy riding.
I've rode a 848 a 1098 and a 1198s and in my opinion the 1198s felt much lighter than the 848, The 848 is light but the one I rode felt more heavy, it could have been suspention set up too. But thinking about it I believe the wheels on the 848 are heavier as the 1198s and the 1098s models have the even lighter racing wheels. The dry weight on the 848 ight be less but top spec ohlins and top wheels make them feel lighter. The 848 is a fine motorbike but needs 7k rpm to really move. 1198's smooth
Just rode 848 and 1098 back to back.
Both are great bikes - but the noticeable extra torque of the bigger bike makes all throttle inputs more effortless - on the road its easier to snake up through the gears at low revs using torque rather than revs...
Also the 1098 seems to turn in better - I don't know why.... is it the steering damper missing on the 848?
The noisey clutch that is so Ducati is also missing on the 848
Bigger is always better in bikes.... 848 is good - 1098 is better...
i had a 08 gixxer then got a 08 ducati 848 cant compare ducati u feel every horse and tq and i have a zx10R 08 and i still rather ride the duck its worth every penny planning on keeping it and buying a 1198s next summer
@sounddood Im pretty sure that the cbr600 has more than 98 hp, and that is wheel HP where i believe the 848 claims 134 engine hp, which is probably more like 120 wheel hp. Anyway i have a cbr1000rr with 150 rwhp
They are easy to ride bikes, they feels really light and the power is smooth and easy. Its reasonably fast for what it is but needs to really rev the engine. You shouldn't have no problems riding one as a learner. Just take your time until you get the feel of it.
I think this could be a nice bike to ride. Ive rode the 1098s and thats a bike that dont wait for nothing. The actual weight difference probably wouldnt notice. I dont think its weight difference in corners for turning will benifit over the 1098. I think its when you try and get out of a turn and get grip on the more brutal 1098. Most would probably find the 848 easier to get the power down. My old 900ss has a report on how hard it is to turn. The way i ride i dont notice it and it feels light.
@sounddood 09 cbr 900 ?
@sounddood You posted wheel horsepower for the Honda and crank horsepower for the Ducati. The 09 Ducati 848 makes 112 horsepower @ the wheel, not 134. Not even the 848 EVO makes that much @ the wheel. Your Honda numbers are correct.
that only think that i dont like with 848 is the rear wheel tire..it has the same size as 600CC.
I love my 1098, especially with the Termis on it. My friend just ordered her 848 and it should be in by the middle of this month. I'll post up a real life test once the roads are clear. Both are incredible pieces though.
im still waiting on your video
@@sverremoe4087 thanks for following up. Neither of us kept the bikes for too long. Mine was sold before his 848 ever showed up. The 1098 made use of the extra 250cc and it was pretty apparent. The 848 almost felt anemic compared to it. I have a Hayabusa now, but still feel like the 1098 had more face melting acceleration and superior handling. The gsx 1300r though is better for what I wanted - a sport bike that is comfortable enough to tour on.
@@roadtrip1098 yeah i can see how the hayabusa is a better choice for that 👍 cheers man 😉😊
First off, shop around. I recently purchased a flawless 2008 1098 for 10k (excluding TTL). That's outstanding. But between the CBR1000RR and 848? they can't be compared. The CBR will win on the track because it has a 40hp advantage, but the 848 comes from Ducati, and has more style, class and soul than any japanese superbike. Up to you, but that's my input.
He's most likely referring to the newer Japanese production street 600's. Obviously a race or speed bike will go much faster. The land speed record for 50cc's is over 150mph.
@StigRossi
848 have almost same price with s1000rr...
S1000RR is 142493 time better than 848 or 1198, but this sound of V2 and dry clutch is killing all other :)
@sounddood
my 09 CBR900 does 162..
In a previous MCN video the 848 had 130bhp, now it has 123bhp... so which is it? Not that it really matters to most of us, but some consistency would be nice seeing as our first impressions of any big comes from the media!!!
Ok, so I think this 848 is one of the best looking bikes out there, but I cannot bring myself to enjoy the way it sounds! It is no more impressive sounding than my Toro lawn mower. Props to Ducati for continuing to make beautiful motorcycles, but I will stick with my Triumph Daytona 675's wonderful performance and even better sounding exhaust note.
No worries, buddy. Just take your time and RESPECT the machine. That's what it's all about. After a time, you'll earn that respect back from the bike, and you and that Monster will be a force to be reckoned with. I learned to ride on a CBR1000RR and was told by 4x World Superbike Champion Doug Polen that if you earn a bike's respect, you have nothing to worry about.
good stuff
the only reason some bikes (litre bikes and over have 190 rear tire) is for top speed stability. ie the bike will have better stability in speeds of 170 to 200 mph, also, it's a commonly known fact that a bike can turn in quicker on a 180 than a 190.
Cheers
Think Neevesey is going a bit far by saying early in the video clip, that the 1098 saved the company. These guys know how to make a bike, they are a winning manufacturer - wbk 09 / gp 09 most recent. The history of ducati provides further race winning results. Ducati will never go out of production, never.
@euricdinkins and we get enough BMW GS models through with drive shaft seals breaking, and K1200S or R with the a very noisy engine because the cam chain tensioners gone! All manufactures and models have there ups and down. Even the mighty honda engines have there problems.
the only reason im thinking of getting the ducati 848 over the 1098s is the pricing...the 848 sells for 13K and the 1098s sells for 40K... :(
Asking $13K in the states.
Dealers are taking deposits, and they're getting slim already.
I've just bought a white 848 and it's mint... my Gixxer 600 K7 needs to say goodbye..
Same here!
I love the moto gp style dash
@MyBottletree the 848 actualy has a higher seat position than the 1098....i havent yet ridden a 1098 or 1198 so i cant tell u how it compares... sorry.. :)
well they answerd the question that was asked. "Is the 848 just a baby 1098 or is it its own bike?"
yeah i own a ducati, and i rode a r1 just the other day! i loved it. i was just messing with ya. ha ha but seriously
I have easily gone with mods 180 on a CBR 600, I have probably 140hp and 70FPT...
The thing about a Duck that is special is the quack, nothing sounds like it...
But out of the box my CBR600 did 160 MPH. so dont tell me the extra 200cc does not give you more of an edge on your Duck?
Yay - first view for me!!!!! Nice bikes :)
@sounddood 15 years later i'd rather be able to replace any part i need on my honda for less than 100000000000000000000000 dollars... which is why i own one
Im very tall. So is the 848 or the 1098 better?
Same question
ah neevesy! the next time i go into the bike dealership i'll be like, no i don't want that, reminds me of a supermodel i slept with...
Thanks, yeah i've heard that it's a super easy bike to ride and learn on and it doesn't have too much power but enough to keep you from getting bored in two weeks. (referring to the 696 I am getting)
After shopping around, that bike has more features, equipment, style and performance than any Harley, Triumph, Guzzi etc that I have seen. It is a no brainer for me. I can't wait to own one of the greatest motorcycles.
Sometime the thing that cost the most is not even worth it..You have some things that are cheap but could out last the item that cost the most..Just depends on who made it really..
WEN DID THE 848 COME OUT O_O?????
It's not that a bike can't get going that fast, it's that you need to keep the rider sitting in the seat =p
lol. It's the hottest idea i've had for a while! Totally doing it.
@euricdinkins I have a 2000 ducati 996, and i DO NOT baby her out riding with friends on R1's and GsXR1000's. I have no idea what your talking about, but i dont know of any Ducati's, that have problems with transmissions, except one off's....same as any japanese bike. And my old 996 is only slightly more reliable then the 916's. and a lot less reliable then new ducati's.
buy an exhaust. what bike have you ever owned and actually kept stock pipes? nothing sounds better than a duc with a good set of pipes.
thanks for the suggestion, I will test ride one to check them out.....Imma ride a duck....lol....I like the nick name though
@bojanglesme I will take a reliable Gixxer over a Duc any day. All Ducati Transmissions eventually break down or the gears stick.
@Reapers261 You are correct Sir. Why have 25 people 'liked' the dood's comment?! Muppets.
Supermodels, if they're a bike or a person. No time to sleep, I'm into the ride :P
Btw, i own an 848 evo corse SE and she let's me ride whenever I want, as much as I want. No complaints whatsoever. Which supermodel allows that? ;-)
no that was the whole idea...
here in brazil not!
1198 R$ 69000
848 R$ 49000
S1000RR R4 75000
its like 100000% better than the 749 and even the 999r. its even faster than the 999r around the track
that isn't such a hot idea
Man lets be real..It is a baby model of that 1098..
very clever comment.You must be a genius.Did nasa recruit you?
then either my speed gauge is bad or my gps with the speed marker is bad...either way, it can do it, shit, I'll let you ride my bike as long as you pay for it off the break....you break you buy...
Not 166 mph top speed pf the 848,I have reached 174mph on my 848
@bojanglesme
ferrari designs them
@RTiger18
1198 ja
i thought the Ducati is a Lamborghini :D ,since it's owned by Audi
says the":"gear exhhaust
yeah...your speedometer is wrong.
"japanese bikes own"?
Have you checked the World Superbike Championship results for '08?
Would you like to tell us all how the CBR1000RR fared against the Ducati 1098?
Ducati.....like nothing else
because everybody wants to have one .... because she is something special ...... because it is a ferrari on two wheels .......
well id sleep with both of course... at the same time...
166 mph is 265.6 km/h. How the hell can that be bad. Thats fast for a middleweight sports bike!
You dont have to own a 1000cc bike to go fast. Sure they are faster then a middleweight.
i really wonna buy a bike like this when im getting 23, but im sure i will die in the 1st days :D
i've got an 07 r6 it's fast and beautiful but the 848.... it's so sexy! stop arguing guys! let's face it! ducati is ferrari on two wheels!
You could well have that sort of power on your cbr 600 with a turbo charger. I sugest that you try and take a test ride on a 1098 or even an 848 so you can see the difference for yourself. I've rode both and I like torquey engines but the 848 really does move if you keep the revs 7000 plus. The 1098 would probably take you by suprize with its tremendoes pull without revs, its awsomely fun.
Seriously, I wonder who got into my account and made these comments, I would never disrespect Ducati like this, I do own a Honda, but it is a 08 1000rr.... I think I know who it was who made these comments and I will punch them in balls...
@sounddood It IS just a name mate. There's NO reason why the ducati 1198 should be £3000 more than the S1000RR, no reason at all. That being said, I'm a Ducati owner, and if i were in the market for a superbike, I'd probably try to purchase the Ducati 1198 anyway! Such is their appeal/so moronic and easily manipulated am I!
cbr1000 compares to the 1098, not 848
I fear the same will happen to me. I am getting a Monster 696 (small I know) and I've never ridden before. I am pretty sure I am going to kill myself.
bikes are a reflection of the culture they come from. european bikes are classic and sexy, japanese bikes are technical marvels, and american bikes are backwoods old school crap with heritage. that's about it.
Not only that, they don't understand what the hell a luxury item is. With a Ducati, no average Joe Schmo can go in and buy one - which makes their rarity unparalleled for street riding. I'd love to see people bitch about matinence own a Ferrari, where oil changes are over $2000.
really, I wonder why the 1098 won?????? gee mabey siince the number is higher than 848 daaa!!!!! common sence......
Ducati è italiana...parliamo italiano allora...Ottima scelta l'S4Rs...lo "Street" è troppo "muccone" anche se ignorante quanto basta, forse anche di più...cmq se vai sull'usato cercati un S4R 996 (serie 2004) secondo me nn ha rivali, anche come componentistica di serie...Nn guardare alle (finte) Ohlins del S4Rs (fatte qui in Italia su licenza), al limite con una parte di quello che risparmi prendendo un usato gli metti un paio di Marzocchi da 50 con imp. fren. Discacciati...
Sfido chiunque...
Whos here 2024 🎉
lol good luck take it easy on the gas and try to not die
Ducati.......like nothing esle
i have a ducati 999 with 8 turbos on it. it will beat all of you!
What a peace of crap....800cc's and only 166mph top speed? my honda Cbr 600cc will take that and spit on it...Ducati is just a name, and I preffer the legendary Honda name over it
lol
4 Cylinders is for wimps. Less is more. I'd get myself a white 848 anytime.
I would never buy I Ducati too much maintenance it's just overrated. Honda CBR 1000RR all the way
Not helpful.
lol, Honds legendary... OVER DUCATI. that is just stupid.
Why o why do you even compare a Duke to a R6 or R1? Why even think of top speed! You wont even use it on the road. It's just my bike is faster then yours. Wake up look at the bike. The Ducati was a bike that started all the fuss in the first place. Just look at a ducati and it ouses style. You guys slate them and you probably havent even ridden one. R6/R1 are like so common knowone even looks twice. Ride a ducati into a bike park and all eyes are on you. I wonder why!
hey guys, check out my $40,000 bike which has traction control and is 200cc more than your bike...i'll bet you its faster. NO SHIT! get a life dude, if any one of the big 4 made a race edition of their bikes for $40,000 it would blow the ducati away - WITHOUT traction control
WTF are you MCN riders doing getting you knee down at pedestrian speeds, please note: i live in the UK, so if you want sport i'm right here. Go on tell me to ride on the balls of my feet on a road that i've never seen or driven on, you know a road outside that 60 mile radius some people never get outside of. Also WTF has pulling a wheelie (that is in every mcn test) on motorbike got to do with fast road pace.
cheers
gogs
You have no where near 70 ft/lbs and LMAO @ your claims, or your 200cc advantage question,. You obviously dont know the differences between inline 4's and twins and their respective power numbers and powerband differences.