WORKER RECORDS BEING FIRED - "Poor Performance"
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the modern workplace: being laid off over Zoom. Witness firsthand the stark reality as I navigate through a termination meeting with HR representatives I've never met before. The footage reveals the challenging dynamics of remote layoffs, highlighting the emotional toll and the starkness of corporate protocols.
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I saw so many people ragging on this woman for recording it and posting it. I don’t know why. The company literally wasted her time and left her with nothing because their finance department can’t do basic math and overhired people.
It could be that some were bitter they didn't have the courage to do what she did but others can make the argument that since she posted this online not only would this follow her but future employers may not want to hire her because she could be a liability to the company.
This is especially more dangerous if you're in a niche industry because everyone knows everyone and one hair out of line could be the end of your career.
@@secretpeace-wp6xg It's PRECISELY because they are worthless people that don't have courage. The weak hate that the strong make them look bad.
There's a lot of boot lickers more often than not
It sounded like she was talking to robots.
This happened to my friends husband who was hired as a chef at a restaurant last December. The following month he was let go because they didn't have the budget for his position.
I loved her demanding real data for poor performance. HR gaslighting everyone is disgusting.
HR is not your friend. they only care about keeping the organization from being in legal trouble. if they help you, it is to make sure you don't take it out on the company.
She said it herself and gave HR the out they would need anyway.
"I didn't close any deals".
"Well Brittney, the other new hires did, so bye"
My favorite question every time anyone makes any claim in any context is "prove it?"
@@blackjackjesterwhich is a bullshit reason for someone who was just working at the company for 3 months, during which period she had her onboarding and 2 major holidays. It's also not a metric that was ever communicated to her, she wasn't given an opportunity to explain her performance, and she wasn't given an opportunity to improve her performance.
How that corporate boot taste?
The problem is most companies can't quantify what is good performance. That's why sometimes the only thing you can do is to appear to be a good employee but not try to "be a good employee".
This is one of the reasons the younger generation is not "engaged" at work. The internet has shined a light on things which were previously kept in the dark.
Why give a shiete if they can drop you at heart beat for no reason.
why should i give my best effort when companies view you as a resource detached from moral obligation? small companies are where it is at and even those are not real i bet being companies started to be bought out by the companies that sponsored their growth to begin with. The american workforce is so screwed up right now.
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The younger generation didn't have the rose-colored glasses like we did in school -- it is disappointment after disappointment. What can they look forward to in this economy anyway? Working two-three jobs just so they don't end up on the streets? The kids already seeing all the lies, nothing can dazzle them anymore.
@@bloodmajesty414 already seen how gov increased pay check by 30 but all general goods went 2 , 3x and utilities by 3x times. Used to be middle class worker now just slave from pay check to pay check only buying must things.
So much corporate speak from those HR people 🤢 Good work Josh.
You mean word vomit... In 2023 165,000 tech workers were laid off in the US meanwhile there are 584,000 H1B foreign worker visa holders in the US. Let that sink in. Politicians have been selling the jobs of tech workers to Indians and other H1B workers for over a generation now.
Yeah it actually sounds like a parody where they make fun of how HR speaks.
This real world firing by anonymous HR reps is basically a copy of the movie "Up in the Air".
He said you haven't met cloudflare expectations... the subtitle says unclear.
They're (the HR people) just puppets for the owner class capitalist unelected minority elite
Note to self: Don't work at Cloudflare.
LOL no kidding right!?
When you interview for a job, assess what problems or events may be there that could pose 🚩 or labor issues, disputes later. A QSR counter job for $12.50/hour or a $46000/yr salary office 🏢 career job. Be realistic & know what you are going to get into. I was fired, 12/2023 private security. I KNEW the contract firm had a bad reputation, was poorly run. It had 60% - reviews 🗣 Indeed. The patrol 🚓 vehicles were trash & the officers were inept, unreliable.
Cloudflare? More like Flame-out, amirite
There's a reason why it's nickname is crimeflare
Don't work in corporate America then...this is the status quo. Corporations don't owe you anything, you don't owe them anything.
Give no loyalty to employers
I keep doing the same mistake. Guys, don't be like me!
Well, I work freelance for commission. So far only for individuals. I feel very loyal to them. But maybe I should consider them customers, not employers, huh?
Yep. It's a transaction. I provide labor, you provide money. Nothing more, nothing less.
Never have, never will. Not one of them has ever been able to justify why the ones doing most of the work get the least money out of it. Until they do, they'll have to be happy with what I deign give them.
loyalty ? what's that ?!
I wish I had this woman’s confidence.
I love how she stood up to them.
What's she got to lose?
I totally agree. She will definitly be a good sales person 😂
I agree. She will definitely be a good sales person 😂
If they replaced HR with AI, it would quite possibly show more empathy and understanding towards humans.
that's true
Omg the irony is so metal with this comment 🤣
They could use Ultron and it would be more compassionate.
AI: "Fire this person. He doesn't do any work..."
Human Superintendent: No! I won't fire brother of my wife!
AI: "Acknowledged... Promote this person, they clearly have competence to supervise others worker job."
Human Superintendent: Hell no. I already have this position reserved for my wife's brother...
You're actually not wrong.
When a hollow soulless voice says "I absolutely understand why you feel that way" when they clearly couldn't give a f***, I feel violated.
Indeed, so gross.
typical narcissistic behaviour
Brother this is literally what progressive HR departments preach, and it's the same language you're 'supposed' to use with children.
Dude …. You guys are the same people that say work ISNT family. What the hell do you expect? Its a job. Leave the feefees at the fucking door.
I thought I was the only one. Like stfu. Quit violating me
I'm glad she was able to shame the company, the CEO and HR.
Yep, this is what is needed.
Imagine doing HR for a living. What a soulless BS existence having to talk in vagaries and corporate platitudes because you are just the functionary that management can use to hide behind.
And never have a clue what even is going on, you don't understand any of the jobs and requirements you are hiring or firing someone for yet you have to still pretend like you do. I guess the only real requirement for working in HR is to be able to talk a ton of bs and not care about what everyone thinks about you.
And 99.99999% of them are women. Just saying.
@@SECURITEH❤😂
My grandpa was HR. He ran his family the same way.
Here is how you reply to this:
"If you cannot give me reason now, then the reason is NO reason at all, which is definitely within my right to SUE you for unlawful temination. Circling back, with you in the future, just gives you and the corporation time to make a good reason to tie up loose ends. I will consider myself wrongfully terminated as a direct result of your unwillingness to provide a SINGLE REASON." Don't yell the caps, just accentuate them.
Edit: Oh yeah, never talk about your weaknesses while in a firing call, you will never win and only give them fuel to dismiss your lawsuit.
@ArronBushnell-rn4xz agreed
Based on this video, Brittany's "performance" at calling out this nonsense met and exceeded my expectations.
My expectations were exceeded substantially and she is now the CEO of Cloudflare in my book
It’s like she’s speaking to robots. They couldn’t answer a single question
They were there to fire her not answer questions
That's not HR's responsibility.
She *ought* to be having his conversation with her boss or bosses, formerly or not.
No doubt she does not have access to *those* people(s).
Thus she inflicts this upon the HR personnel - the messenger(s).
@@TheMaleRei HR represent the company shes totally justified in questioning them. They know before anyone else who and why people are being let go
@@Pappagar
Heh.
Management - "HR, we're firing people... The official reason is XYZ."
HR - "Got it."
Fired Employee - "Why was I fired?"
HR - "XYZ."
Fired Employee - "We made record profits!!! Don't tell me it's XYZ!"
HR - "LULZ."
@@TheMaleRei If you don't see a problem with HR being useless messengers who just lie from a script, then idk what to say to you. If they just told her the truth, there would be no issue here.
Incredible how she managed to stay so clear and speak her mind under so many emotions. She is great.
She's too emotional 😔
She didn't make the sales deadline.
This corporate culture is not sustainable...we are in fuck around and find out season.🧘🏽♀️🍵
Yeah, the blue bloods fvck around and the rest of us find out
I’m nearing 20 years in corporate America. Year after year, the culture is becoming more toxic, more unbearable. The current course of corporate America isn’t sustainable.
Time to END THE RULING BLOODLINES. They're still in Rome, Va to can city. They're lackeys are the world monarchies.
I got 23 and I agree. People sell their souls to these corps. People who used to be decent human beings are unrecognizable after they get promoted
There is no loyalty anymore. Company owners and managers no longer give a damn about their workers.
don't worry greed will find a way to make it sustainable
@@nerychristian ZERO loyalty.
What’s so messed up is that random people who she never knew somehow were the ones to let her go and couldn’t even have her boss tell her directly. She was hired to fill a req requirement and then some greedy C-level exec got mad because their bonus wasn’t big enough so they had to get rid of people.
Yes, what disgusting losers. So pathetic. Lol. She'll end up somewhere better.
One time when I was laid off they did make my boss attend and they sat there on screen trying not to cry and saying nothing. Any time one of the people fired tried to talk to her they got cut off, she wasn't allowed to speak, she was just there as a sort of muscle behind HR's words.
100% this. Something I've ALWAYS noticed in layoffs is that these companies that are sooooooo strapped for cash sudden give their CEOs a raise almost equal to the salaries of those laid off. Hhhhhmmmmmmmm what a strange coincidence eh?
This is why I tell people to never be more loyal to a company than they are to themselves, because at the end of the day, you’re replaceable to every company, but you’re irreplaceable to your family and friends.
Not even the exec, investors, board members and share holders wanted even more money and thus decided to let people go for no reason.
As someone who was nearly fired for poor performance, she's 100000% right. This isn't how you get fired for poor performance. Your company will put you on a PIP with 'actionable' goals and about a month to achieve said goals. IMO: a company will be overly transparent with you if they want to fire you for performance issues, because they don't want you to have a valid lawsuit against them.
the HR department should be the one to be downsized
Everyone complaining should realize that it is 100% legal to record workplace labor issues under the NLRA. An individual State recording law does not apply, this is federal labor law.
She's also not showing their faces either so you won't know who they are.
These corporate bots are defending their companies. Probably shills or actual bots
She's also a remote worker in Georgia I believe which is a single consent state. Anyone who's in the conversation can consent to recording the conversation without the other party's consent … Its perfectly legal what she did!
Also some states are one party states. In those states, you only need the consent of one person in the conversation to record. She's in the conversation and she obviously consents.
I don’t even understand why they don’t just admit that they overhired. Is it illegal to admit that, or are they just too scared of looking like idiots, as opposed to lying idiots?
I worked for a company that had a mass layoff and fully admitted that they over hired as the reason why it was happening. Nothing illegal about being upfront.
They have to pay you money if they fire you for no reason so they make up fake reasons to cover themselves legally.
They didn’t want to give her severance so they made it performance based. If she was getting severance, they’d say her position was eliminated.
Severance packages
Haha most of these managers are incompetent.
There need to be laws that require notice to fire employees. Such a life altering situation brought on from greed.
This is why I do the absolute minimum, never do more than what I’m paid, and gtho after three years or so.
That "Dom" guy in particular sounds like a freshman who didn't prepare for his Philosophy 101 presentation.
They always change the expectation.
This is why I say, HR is the single most useless department in any organization.
They're important to send out bad news without the upper management getting their entitled hands dirty. Scumbags.
I wouldnt say "useless" I've worked for companies with out one. Had a lot of other issues as well. The problem with HR is their very abstract from anything happening.
They're supposed to protect the company from lawsuits but they usually can't do that whatsoever so . . . yeah literally useless. My own HR are completely useless, miss meetings on a daily basis, don't show up for their scheduled in person meetings, etc. They're off the walls corrupt, I'm surprised they haven't been sued for time stealing at this point because nobody can contact them and they never show up so I can't imagine they're actually getting anything done.
HR should be managed by the state. Monitored on a public file. Stop this BS department.
Idiotic statement. HR people handle new hire paperwork. They process raises, promotions, and org chart changes. Without HR no personnal changes ever occur. Nobody ever transfers or gets promoted or gets a raise. Oh, you think managers can handle all that? Managers can't even complete employee timesheets half the time.
HR reading from a script…I wouldn’t have bothered speaking to them once I knew I was getting let go.
Haha I would have kept calling in sick rescheduling the calls then canceling last minute. See how long that can go on.
>"You're fired because you weren't meeting expectations"
>"We can't give you an answer that will meet the expectations you're communicating to us"
Rules for me but not for thee!
The way these people talk, I'd be inclined to ask, "if you can't give me anything more than scripted responses, maybe we can keep my job and save the company money by replacing you with an A.I. bot"
I think the IT joke/threat I heard about is replacing people with "a very short script".
That'll probably get you rehired and given a raise. The suits may be soulless, but even they have a sense of humour, perhaps. I don't know since I've never actually had the misfortune of meeting one.
You gonna stay working at a company that pulled this?
It's a one way street.
AI bot ? A simple tape recorder would do. Or maybe VLC with a randomized playlist of word salad.
She girl bossed to close to the sun and now she won't be able to pay to loan she took out. That why she raging.
Unbelievable corporate gibberish. I would never treat anyone like this.
It's mind boggling how many people will participate in this 💩 without considering they might be next.
That's why employees should never offer 2 weeks notices.
@@sterlynstevo agreed. I've seen people have the courtesy to give notice, and the boss tells them to go ahead and go now. There is no mutual respect.
@@sterlynstevo I rarely do. I’ll do it if I like the workplace but just need to be moving on. But for a bad workplace, no way. I don’t exactly take a deuce on my desk, but I will up and leave (I especially love to do that at a really bad time for the company if I hate them enough).
@@theresagomez2605 Speaking as someone who sits in middle management...oh we know. We're usually the first in line to the firing squad.
I got laid off last year from a major game company along with many coworkers, all very talented and good workers. We were laid off by being divided into small groups on Microsoft Teams and a PRE-RECORDED VIDEO from HR was played to tell us we were being let go. Pre-recorded video.
And what happened afterwards was everyone who was being laid off had 45 minutes to get personal files off our work computers. We spent that time with our coworkers remaining saying goodbye and exchanging contact info. Was honestly one of the saddest things I've had happen at a job.
What do my previous coworkers who are still there call that massive lay-off wave that cut the office staff in half? "The Snap".
If they lay you off they have to pay unemployment, but if you are fired for poor performance... They dont
fired because Wilful, intentional poor performance, negligence equals misconduct. You will be denied benefits for that. But not for probationary period poor performance or not a good fit, inability.
This is the consequence of not doing layoffs with severance. The whole point of severance and layoff benefits that the company can protect itself from this kind of bad press.
Exactly, most are smart enough to realize that, but apparently CloudFlare wasn’t. When I got laid off from my company last year, they offered severance, not because they wanted to but because they were desperately trying to keep up appearances with their clients and not look like a sinking ship. It’s hush money, and it often works.
Yep, when they pay out a severance they usually make you sign a severance agreement in order to get the money. Severance agreements usually contain a non-disparagement clause. You cheap out on the severance, and you can't buy people's silence. That's how they get bad PR like this.
The good news for this girl is she can now claim unemployment. The company may try to counter, saying it was performance based, but then she can appeal. They company WILL then have to prove she was fired for cause to an administrative law judge - the HR word vomit won't work there. In all actuality she'll be able to receive unemployment compensation.
Even if no severance… if they fake that is fired for cause then then the fired employee also can’t get unemployment. It’s quite cruel.
But I hope
You're right.
Next time Cloudflare is hiring, it will be that little bit harder for them.
@@jgood005fun fact, the National Labor Relations Board ruled last year that non-disparagement clauses as part of severance agreements is an unfair labor practice.
Seeing how she handled being fired shows me that she has what it takes
To remain that calm under fire and to keep her composure.
I would definitely want her on my team.
She's recording herself.
It's performative.
But it does show she can *act* - which is essential for a perfect salesperson.
But she obviously can't close.
I love the fact that she pushed back on their vague, fumbling, incoherent explanations for her termination. I hope she got some written documentation in addition to the “conference” she recorded. Sounds as if she needs a good employment attorney.
They should just be clear.
We are forced to lay you off. Your performance was stellar, unfortunately we are asked by leadership to lower headcount and we decided to let go of people with least amount of experience at the company. We are happy to give you positive review if needed.
These HR people made me want to puke. I feel bad for her, but she deserves better than that. Hopefully she finds a company to work for that isn't complete trash!
One was a goddamn director. That's even worse. He's trying to act like he didn't have a direct hand on firing her and it's not due to him and his shithead buddies uptop for hiring too many fucking people.
Oh come on Loco, don't call them "people"!
If you're corporate sales, this is about as good as it gets.
@@blackjackjesteryep. Corporate jobs. Corporate layoffs. Corporate lingo, this is why it sounds so hollow
Corporate dingo ling in your face.
I was fired for the same thing from my last job. I had "poor performance" and didn't meet goals....that were never established.
I hope you were able to find a new job! Did you apply for unemployment benefits? If so, did you have to explain a reason and was it approved?
@@PandaG007 Yes to all of that lmao.
Hope you claimed unemployment then. If they want to say you were fired for cause, they can explain exactly what that means to an administrative law judge.
I know a situation when a person was let go for “low performance” despite all positive feedback from the management across multiple departments/projects the entire year and with absolutely 0 prior warnings. In the end the “employee separation and release “ was sent where there’s no any explanation - just an agreement between a company and employee which confirms a separation… I’m wondering if it’s a legit reason for unemployment in this case…
I met goals and exceeded expectations while literally dying of life threatening health problems. Still let go while an incompetent, manipulative brown noser was promoted to "Head of Mobile".
Wrongful termination law suits on their hands!! They HAVE to give there metrics and documentation!They have to fire you for a LEGAL reason! Even in right to work states, there is no firing for NO REASON! Know your rights! Get a free consult with a lawyer and win those WAGES BABE!!
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“They sound like robots, but they’re being paid”
Yeah, that’s HR.
These companies and people are disgusting.
They wouldn’t have allowed this recording if it had been done in person.
I’d bet they wanted to get rid of her without severance, hence the “doesn’t meet expectations”, but if they formally fire her for it they’d have to write it up otherwise this is a certain lawsuit.
Yup, especially if she has metrics that are showing otherwise. Stop lying about it and just be honest.
She had only been there a few months so severance not likely an issue. She was in sales and hadn't sold, and that's the only metric that really matters in the longer term. From what she said it sounds like her manager may not have set expectations and given feedback clearly - I don't know about this case but in general that's fairly common among junior managers (in particular) who want to be positive about everything and to be everyone's friend. Though sometimes people just don't absorb negative feedback when they do get it.
@AlexSwanson-rw7cv Normally sales positions don't expect you to make your first sale before 5-6 months though. Making a sale in your first 3-4 months is a really good performance. Most usually do it in 6-7.
@@AlexSwanson-rw7cv Yea, I dont mind that she posted the video. But I also dont think the company was wrong in firing her. In my experience most people are not cut out to be sales people and will always underperform. Its better to identify those people early and avoid wasting everyone's time.
@@chuckwood3426 man with her being that direct she sounds like she would do well in sales to me, especially under the pressure of being fired.
I been in that situation, but it was with a PIP, managers and HR will use gaslighting corporate jedi tricks to make them sound morally correct. This is why employees should always look out for themselves and never stay loyal to these companies.
Comrade, the enemy of the people is burguose.
Do not trust these scumbags because they can't live without people working on them, but people who work can live without them pretty easily.There are parasitic organisms that affect nervous system of the host like ant zombie virus or some humans gelmints. What is the difference between parasites and all of these companies.
Good parasite or bad parasite altitude ??
MAYBE no parasites at all?
100%. They do this, then in the same breath complain about staff showing no loyalty to them anymore.
@@carsella11 or better yet ask you how can we help you. But if you address the issue lack of staffing or management managing right you're in wrong.
Used to think it was me, and nearly worked myself to death trying to meet expectations that were somehow magically always out of reach. Then one day a manager said to me, I have to be honest with you, this is a thankless job, and even if you meet all those extra KPIs, you still won't get anything more than meets expectations. And that was me stating my intention to meet all of the next level. They will never reward you. Never. They will milk you until you give your last drop of blood then when you collapse, fire you 'for your own good'. I hope Gen Z maintains this fire of rage they have for this treatement because once you're trapped and financially dependent with no parents to fall back on, you have no defences against exploitation.
You cant rely on companies for your needs, they are not forming relationships with workers and will get rid of their best
I live in Europe and worked retail for a company where we had to go above and beyond, even doing work that that wasn't even in our contract, like pretending to be the manager, when we were just ordinary workers and I only received $710 a month. The store closes at 9 but 2 workers need to stay longer in order to count the money, transfer store keys etc. I ended up being told that I couldn't catch the last bus to my town because I too had to stay after 9pm, despite that I wasn't the one that had to close. So I ended up having to walk for an hour in total darkness through shady streets just to get home. I gotten into an argument with my boss regarding this and she said that I have to stay past 9pm and she doesn't want to hear my bus excuses. So I ended up asking the manager, who said that I can totally go home if there was already someone else closing the store. After 4 months I quit due to the stress. I was getting too thin, stressed out and even my coworkers told me that I don't look right, so I just left. The funny thing is I even contacted HR about this issue and they did nothing.
"I can't speak on the conversations that you and your manager had"
Right there tells you HR lady had no idea what was going on. If she can't speak on it, it means she had no idea what the managers position was, when, in fact, if she was being terminated for a valid reason, That conversation would be cited.
I would have loved if she would have asked HR, in their own words, what does she do at the company. I would wager they couldn't tell her.
Yeah, that right there is a red flag should this ever see a courtroom. You haven't spoken to the manager and yet, you can definitively, without question, say she isn't meeting her performance goals? Then how do you know? Are you spying on employees and have all the data? But wait - in that case, you should have the metrics she isn't meeting without having to talk to someone else!
That's not their job. How could an HR person know what conversations she had with her manager?
@@magsteel9891 normally, there are _many_ convos with HR before terminations to establish a record of poor performance and implemting an improvement plan. This is so the fired employee can't come back and sue for wrongfull termination.
The fact that two HR drones are doing widespread firings and can't cite any reasons means that this is coming from the top and not her manager or possibly even her department.
@@magsteel9891 if the conversation was about her performance then yes it matters and they would be fully aware if they know how to do their jobs that is. If you are going to terminate someone you best have talked to the manager and spoke about employee performance or you are not firi9ng them for performance based reasons. Simple logic here folks.
This is why there is no more corporate loyalty these days.
PS: I wouldn't even waste my breath with those losers it's not worth my time. I'd say goodbye and disconnect from them.
@@althunder4269 There may be good reasons why she is doing this. It may be in her legal interests (and possibly her financial interests) to do so! They may be seeking a way to avoid paying her severance pay based on the b/s reason of "poor performance". If she can obtain admissions and proof this is not the case, she can claim her entitlements, but if she says nothing and accepts it, she may walk away with nothing. It is evident from this conversation that there are no actual "performance metrics" of the kind they claim exist to prove poor performance, and indeed it is b/s.
Respect. Data and well-justified explanations are imperative. Always grill people like that, apart from being right, it's just fun watching them squirm.
I got put on a pip for performance. They milked me dry trying to meet their perfomance metrics and I was so proud i did even tho no one else was being held to these standards. Then on my meeting where i expected to be let off the pip they came up with some other excuse to fire me because they couldnt use performance metrics since i passed them.
"I totally understand how you feel and I do not give even the tiniest f*ck"
xyz your frustration is showing.
I mean honestly she's a complete stranger to them, why would they care? They were given a list of names to terminate, it's a done deal, her arguing and whining to them is just demonstrating what an insufferable personality she is to the next employer.
I've been working at my current job as a contractor for the past 6-7 months. my contract was supposed to end 3 months ago. for the past 5 months, they've been telling me they are going to make me a full-time employee because they like me so much, but it hasn't happened yet. whenever I brought it up, they always have an excuse like I have to talk to the middle company then to them so on and so on. now I'm looking for a new job. there is no need to be loyal to these companies.
Don't worry once you get the new position and give them notice they will magically have an offer for you. A lot of companies are dumb/suck.
My daughter was in that situation for like a year and a half. She finally got an offer for a newly invented position. Her pay was cut a little bit since she was on salary with taxes taken out and eligible for benefits. Hopefully, it works out. I don't want her learning to be loyal to, or dependent upon, some 💩 company.
Like one person said, they will make you an offer when you're ready to leave. DO NOT take that offer, tell them no thanks and move on. They are stringing you along and will keep doing so.
If healthcare is not an issue stay
a contractor or demand more money the next time around.
@Johnny-Utah-91 well im not getting the same pay as the full-time workers, even though i do the same amount of work.
Jesus, they would've looked slightly less dishonest if they just straight up told her "We're doing this because we've been ordered to"
Exactly
Exactly
This is a restaurant quality example of why you should never trust anyone in HR. I would file a wrongful termination lawsuit the NEXT DAY if they did this to me. I wonder how many times HR gets away with shit like this and it never comes out.
HR are the modern equivalent of palace Eunuchs in any Chinese Dynasty.
they are a parasitic enterprise within the wider machine.
they act on there own with impunity and actively deceive those above and below them
Last time I got let go, I had the highest performance in the company and I still got the same speech.
Hope you got unemployment
@@nwatson2773 I did not. :(
Companies also respond negatively when you give your 2 weeks notice, weird huh?
That's why the day I decided I was done I quit that day. Wasn't going to use then as a reference anyway so no point in putting in 2 weeks.
Hi, you're doing a great job with this channel. Thank you!
That’s why isolated workers have absolutely no leverage as this video shows. Only organization of workers as a collective can help us.
Finally you make a video about this lol. Been waiting
Accenture , kinda did me the same way
@@absolute3112 Reddit did the same last year at least twice
The fact that they her "firing" her instead of owning up to their own mistakes and lay her off. Smells like they are avoiding their severance policies and make unemployment more difficult
Not all positions are entitled to severance pay. I was laid off in 2020 and received no severance. That's at the companies discretion and employers aren't obligated to offer it. It's usually for high level employees, not lower level ones, from my experience.
@Cerez78 I know, however if they have an established severance procedure already, they can't break that policy, so they often fund loopholes, like firing people "for cause" like not meeting metrics instead of laying them off. If they didn't have a severence policy, then they are not obligated to have one, but if they did, they would have to follow it. I work in quality management systems & compliance.. so I am always looking at procedures my employer has, including HR policies. My employer does have one, and there is provisions of what qualifies for severance and what doesn't. Being fired for cause disqualifies an employee from any severance. Workforce reduction and resignation due to your position relocation does qualify. That is why I speculate they were trying to get around their policy
I can completely feel her frustration. This is why so many ppl are burned out and discouraged to work for companies that treat them like they are disposable. Not even given a true reason to be laid off. So many of us are thrown under the bus by corporate greed.
Everything they said in that call is a straight up lie. They don’t know why they’re letting her go, they don’t care at all, they’re just trying to get through it. They have no “data” and there is no reason why they could not get into specifics unless they are absolutely deceiving her.
Good for Brittany for calling them out on their bullshit and remaining calm. The way she was fired was clearly unacceptable. Hope she sues.
What lawsuit would not be thrown out of court? Honest question.
For what it's worth, the reports indicate that she received multiple offers of employment within a few short weeks after she posted the original recording.
The US doesn't hold employers accountable for anything 😂
The way she was fired is the only way business can fire people and be shielded from liability. It's what happens when the only people pushing for labor reform do so in a way that doesn't actually help
It depends on employment laws in that state. In certain states they're actually aloud to fire you for no reason. Unless you specifically get fired for having a disability which I was able to get a settlement for when I was fired.
Let's be honest. Companies know that they have to hire many junior sales execs to have one exec who can actually sell something. They have to over hire constantly as they have to fire most of the new execs for the lack of sales.
I have talked lately with my old colleagues and bosses. Companies are now trying to avoid these graduates and hire more experienced sales people who have some kind of evidence that they can sell something. It's easier to pay extra for experienced people than play games with these gen Z graduates, who don't even know what it means to work. There is no participation trophies in business. That could be a big surprise for the young people, who have their cupboards full of participation trophies from their early lives.
She had five months and didn't close any sales. How they fired her was s*it show but the reason is pretty clear. Great meetings and a lot of activity is nice, but only sales will count as a performance.
I have been in sales for a long time. These big companies are sales "factories". If you can't sell instantly, you are out. They will not wait a long time for results. There is always a huge pool of new candidates, who want these positions.
They REALLY don't want to pay severance.
I couldn’t wait to see a video from you about this!
This woman got absolutely burried by tons and tons and tons of pundits here on youtube. She went viral for the obvious reason, then went viral again with vitriol from "the pundits" and still making rounds across the internet. I really hope that they are not going to bury her (them and them) and her career indefinitely going forward.
I've had this happen too, no justice, they just want to avoid paying unemployment, which is illegal, but there's little to no oversight in the USA. I even reported them and the government organization that handles it was like, megh, whatever, nothing happened. She's my hero, what a badass, much respect.
I'm British so don't understand this about unemployment benefits in USA. Over here we basically get benefits from the govt not the employer
@@keithparker1346 In the U.S., each state administers its own unemployment insurance program. Most of the funds come from payroll taxes paid by employers. If you voluntarily quit or if you are fired for cause, you are not eligible for benefits.
@@amicaaranearum thanks for your reply. USA is terrible for employment rights compared to Britain and we have poor rights here compared with mainland Europe
Wrongful termination... Sheesh!
Can she sue?
Doesnt exist
27 out of 50 states are "right to work" states, so there are a lot of Americans that don't have any wrongful termination protection.
I can't watch this to the end. Something about the dynamic of asking your masters to keep you along grates my soul.
Its "Last in, first out" with these companies. Don't give them the chance!
Companies are getting more insane over the years
My company announced layoffs by saying "if you receive an email in the next 30 minutes" you are gone. People say and watched in real time as employees were erased from the network and cut off from speaking to co workers (we work remotely). Then HR starts it's stuff, similar to this drivel. Then the CEO has and all hands meeting to say how great we are doing and how they care about the workers. I felt like I was in "1984" and was afraid to be the first person to stop applauding.
So wild to see you over half a million subs man. Been here since like 75K. Much love
Delta Airlines just did the same thing. Over hire, then fire. Must be part of that MBA class training.
the corporate yappers don't have any idea why they've been told to fire this person, and don't want to say so because they'd have to admit that they aren't doing the firing but are just simps sent out to do the dirty work of the company.
I mean....yes? Who else is going to do it?
The fking boss! GET SOME BALLS!
I sort of feel bad for them. If they are smart they are probably planning their own exit. I understand the criticism of the CEO/senior management, but these HR people are working simps like Brittany was and have been put in an awful position. We know HR is supposed to protect the company and to be cautious before coming to them with any complaint. Protecting the company sometimes means doing some awful things. This is why I could never be in HR
I think they know that it’s just a mass layoff because they “overhired,” but they don’t want to admit that, because it makes management seem incompetent.
I agree. But that's not what 'simp' means.
Why do they use the word "fired?" Every job I've been in just use the term "restructure." They get rid of a bunch of people then bring in others who will accept lower pay. It's happened in every corporate I've worked in
Restructuring and layoffs have specific notification requirements for companies large enough defined in the WARN Act (in the US). If they don't comply with those, it can be wrongful termination and they'll be out some big fines. But if the company can make it "For Cause" no matter how bullshit sounding, you can be fired with no warning. Her recording this was probably the best thing she did for her unemployment insurance claim. The DoL may just slap Cloudflare anyway once the unemployment claims start rolling in, as this would be prime evidence because the company openly refused to give her the specifics of her cause for termination. Typically in a "For Cause" situation, there has to be some kind of documented event or number that everyone knows about, hence the not a surprise to anyone. "We expected you to sell X widgets, you sold Y which is less than X, you're fired." That kind of thing. Absent that, she's right, they haven't provided a For Cause reason for terminating, but they can't _say_ there's no reason because they likely didn't issue the WARN notification. Saying "You dun bad" with no specifics is not a reason for cause, hence the reason things like PIPs existing, to create and document the reason for termination.
@@WotanTheScourgeYea it's different in my country, the employer has to go through a rigorous process of formal warnings and documented poor performance. If an employer tried this in my country they would be sued
Exactly, if you ever heard of Jim Patterson, that is a name you might hate working for.
My friends dad worked at a warehouse owned by that asshole, and fired all old forklift drivers and hired some young new ones(for lesser pay obviously).
AI will easily replace these kind of scumbags who try to even represent a form of HR, and I cannot wait.
@@declan-kr5if even during the probation period starting a new job?
@@danielpankew9371problem is AI will likely replace the drivers first before the managers
Company cycle of life: raise funds - angel investor sends money - burns money - overhire people - shows fake growth - underperform sales - let go people - shows more profit - raise money and starts all over again
Love this content
As cringe as that was, I wish more people would record their layoffs and post them. Make sure to tag the company too. If the company can't even properly plan how much staff they need, why should investors continue giving them money? They regularly prove themselves to be incompetent.
Whenever you get fired, just walk right out the door. Don't even say goodbye. Since you no longer work there, what are they going to do? Fire you? They'll email (or mail) any follow-up documentation to your home address. You should only tolerate employers because they pay you. Once that relationship is over- you owe them 100% of nothing.
Invariably people are paid in arrears so they will be owing you money. Companies can and do have a habit of messing you around so it's not quite so clear cut
@@keithparker1346Also people pay require references from their former employer especially if they’ve been there a while.
Ignorant advice
Another lesson to ignore corporate BS when they tell you you are a family.
Amazing video
Defend your performance. The people you're talking to don't have any power. Ask for an opportunity to respond point by point. But, in the end this a dead-end company and leave it behind.
So basically they're trying to get out of paying severance or abiding by the WARN act or avoid paying unemployment. If you get fired, you don't get unemployment or severance. You only get it if you got laid off
also i had one where you had to work for the company for 6 months before you qualify for severance and they fired me just a few days short of that....talk about evil.
You can qualify for unemployment in CA if you're terminated as long as you weren't fired for gross negligence. Issues like performance or attendance don't fall into this category.
Thanks Josh as always we'll keep an eye on these companies.
Quality content and presentation.
Just when I thought "it won't happen at my company" it happened
The issue i have here, is if you're going to let me go because the business has made a pivot, accidently overhired, etc.. that's fine... give me a severance so i can fill a gap between hiring BUT to basically tell me that i'm poor performing, i take it like an attack... you're basically telling me i'm subpar and do garbage work and you aren't going to back that up? hell naw, you better come with those receipts if you're going to make some bold claims like that
tbh some bosses really think that. Some bosses expect you to work overtime with still 100% for little to no extra pay. Your current salary in most cases doesn't match your responsibilities for X reasons. Threaten a smart boss to leave and he will increase your pay, threaten a dumb boss to leave and he will say okay and few days later everything will go to hell
legal action is the only way to get justice and that...takes money....almost like justice doesn't exist since it needs to be purchased.
@@Daytruin Straight facts... gotta pay for justice
The claims are baseless because they weren't documented and the supervisor never addressed any performance issues with her. Anyone with performance issues would have records in their file leading up to the termination to support it.
Josh!!!! Love you
as a former salesperson, there’s no reason they couldn’t tell her why she was being hired. Sales people have dozens of performance metrics that are constantly being tracked and they could’nt name a single one. despicable
Yeah, she was deslt a crappy hand. She only had a solid 3 weeks of being fresh on the market. I work for a large corporaate bank - top 6 in the US. I remember when they did a big layoff in November. They let go of 4000 people out of nowhere. It was Tuesday after Veterans Day. People logged in and were invited to mass meetings where they were told they were being let go. I told my manager that i dont feel secure in my position. I'm always keeping an eye open for other opportunities. Never trust a corp and always do what's best for your career.
My buddy got let go from capital one out the blue last fall too. Zero remorse. They don’t care at all.
Assholes at Thumbtack did the same shit. They spent MILLIONS on these bullshit retreats/team building events then had the audacity to lay off saying the people were expensive compared to their projections. No, fuckers, you spent stupid amounts of money on dumb shit while on the high from expanding so much and made those people that got you there suffer from your shit spending habits.
did you get terminated after telling your manager that?
If not, how did you manage that?
Hells Fargo pulls gaslighting b.s. like this all the time. It is the worst of the major banks to work for by far.
You shouldn't have said anything to your manager at all about how you feel insecure there. You should have strummed along until you got another job and laid it out bare when the time came. Once you unveil any thoughts to anyone, a coworker or manager, they can send that info right up the chain of command. Watch what you say.
I had a company fire me for performance reasons a month after giving me a raise and praising my performance. They gave me a side task in addition to my other duties, and a week before firing me sent me an email and said they needed that side task done sooner and it was taking me too long. They gave me a deadline, (which they had never done before BTW) so I then responded by completing that side task in like 2 days and went back to normal duties. At the end of the week they called me in and said they were letting me go because they didn't think I was a good fit for the company. Before letting me go they fired an intern who hadn't been there very long, an employee who wasn't very reliable, and missed too many days (makes sense) and 2 guys who had been there for a long time. After me they got rid of another guy who was in my same role. Obviously they were downsizing and not firing me for performance or conduct, they just wanted to make it look that way so they could deny unemployment to us lol.
Did you take any legal recourse?
Same thing happened to me. Got a raise same day I got a PIP. 30 days later terminated on the pip that had no measurable goals.
Yes, they made a case against you.
This is a company trying its hardest to illegally fire someone without having to give them severence, without getting into legal trouble for it.
We haven’t been in this channel in a while man good for you
I remember you interviewing Patrick and meeting HR lady and also your dad
You’ve gained so many subs !!!
As soon as I heard “ sales” I knew it was over for her.
They can say what ever they want, companies have tons of excuses to drop sales people.
I don’t get it, it seems as if I come across a lot of companies that are begging for salespeople
@@Labyrinth6000 Half a salesman's performance, the salesman has no control over. The salesman has no control over how many customers agree to accept an offer, so an employer can use close rates to their advantage to judge a salesman's performance unfairly.
Honestly, the higher ups in that company are incompetent, cowardly, and abusive. What they are doing unfortunately is now the standard.
Good video. Thank you.
This can happen with regular jobs too. When I first worked for Tim Hortons, a coffee shop obviously not a company of this lady's caliber, they let me go and wouldn't tell me why other than to say that they were getting customer complaints about me. When I asked them what the complaints were one of the Managers said to me, "We can't tell you that." I'm like, "Oh okay I get it!" Someone who works there didn't like me and wanted me gone. I think that the supervisor and one of the workers who openly put me down in front of everyone should have gotten a talking to. Of course that never happened.
In those types of situations, the best thing to do is to file a human rights complaint. This is even the case in ''at will'' employment jurisdictions. The reason for this is that no employment law tribunal or judge is going to believe that you were fired for no reason because it is not rational from a business standpoint to hire and fire people for no reason, whatsoever. So in your Tim Hortons case, they would have to provide objective, verifiable documentation of the complaints and not just make them up. The tribunal will think rather than you being fired for no reason that the reason was likely a prohibited human rights ground, like being a woman, minority, a certain race etc and the company will have to demonstrate during the hearing that they *took every reasonable effort practicable to prevent the human rights discrimination, in the first place.*
When getting terminated from employment for any reason and there is no union, it is always advisable not to argue with the company, get all the data you reasonably can about the situation, write it down and take it to an employment law specialist.
Here is a good youtube channel for general, employment law information:
www.youtube.com/@braniganrobertsonlaw
Good luck in the future :)
Thanks for exposing those oppressors Joshua Fluke!
There is another youtuber who is an HR guy for 20 yrs who also did a video on this great perspective. I feel like a lot of times we get people saying that the worker is wrong, the worker can't ALWAYS be wrong. Someone tried to tell me she's wrong for filming & couldn't explain how or why but kept saying go back to the video & watch 🙄
What is that other youtuber???
@@airgin3000 A Life After Layoff channel
@@airgin3000 A Life After Layoff.
That’s how my meeting went. My husband had just gotten brain surgery & I had this meeting in my laptop by his bedside 💅🏾 Then when I went to the Unemployment office, they couldn’t find where the company paid for Unemployment stuff. By the time that got figured out, I had been working at the family business temporarily because I needed some kind of check, but since that was now my last place of employment (again, temporary), I could no longer get unemployment from them 😐😐 I’m grateful my husband is back to normal. He was in the hospital for two weeks & had to drop out of school to complete his last semester after being out for 20 years.
I was once fired after only 15 days because the company had hired more workers than needed at the new department. During orientation they were all gung ho but it all came crashing down when it started. Employees should trust companies at their own peril.