@@kvk1947 No regrets on the tire changes, still softer ride. Car height increase by 3rd of an inch and stats reporting average 304 Wh/mi. No noticeable range decrease.
I did that 2 weeks after taking delivery of my performance y. Big improvement in ride quality. Not much range loss in my opinion. Just depends on how you drive it.
haha.. there you are again. I found your channel a few years ago when I was researching something for my S5. Now I am about to get the model y performance and found you again. Good info. Thanks
Rear rim looks like it can easily fit a 305 for better contact. But that would also mean less efficiency on the range front. Was thinking about doing this same thing, glad I found your video.
I think 295 is already overkill for this car, you don't need such wide tires cuz it's AWD so it's already got more than enough traction to get the fastest acceleration possible. Some UA-camrs tested and have found that theMYP accelerates faster with smaller and lighter wheels and tires. I bet handling is amazing with 275 front and 295 rear though. I still prefer the Gemini wheels and tires cuz I get a lot more range and accelerate faster.
@@jayistheway9968 Everything you mentioned above, is absolutely correct. For many reasons that some other Tesla owners may not agree with, I choose this direction. It does not provide the best efficiency, but with the capability to charge "free" with solar, I am ok with it. I greatly appreciate your feedback as it provide different alternatives.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic you can typically sell original wheels and tires for a decent amount if they are barely used. There are some aftermarket wheel and tire options that are actually quite inexpensive. There are definitely some that are more expensive but you can basically swap wheels and tires for free if you sell the original ones.
I just put 275/45/19 gimini wheels on my P. 22% more sidewall than the 35 series stock. weight in at 64ish lbs. STock uberturbines where about 69 and 74 lbs with tires. running about 38psi cold. much softer but still pretty grippy. I love the look of the 21s but need something that can handle pothole and bad roads. Setup is about .06% bigger than stock. likely the 275/50/19 would have been nice. Might be close to rubbing in the front though.
One of the first things I did when I got my '23 MYP was move the 275/35 to the front and added 295/35 to the rear. Aside from the benefits you mentioned, I found that the modified tire setup also provides additional protection for the Uberturbine wheels that are more prone to curb rash with the factory tire setup. I'm curious about running a 275/40 + 295/40 setup as well. Might experiment with that when it's time to change out.
Ed, prior to deciding on the upsizing, I calculated different sizes. The 275/40 & 295/40 would be too tall. You're increasing the overall diameter by almost 2" or 6% which is too much.
I read a post where someone did that setup with 275/40 295/40 and now speedo is off about 4mph @ 75mph, said he spoke with service center and they could not correct?
Thanks for your video. I also noticed the rough ride in my 2023 Model Y, but I simply reduced the pressure in the tires from 50 to 40 PSI. Much better ride, cost me nothing. Yes, I probably will have slightly lower range and slightly more outer tire wear, but I think it is well worth it!
Ken, 50 PSI? No wonder your MY rode rough. I have seen recommendations as high as 45, not never 50. The MYP is set at 41-42 so if you're running 40, you will see no difference in range.
I’ve had my MYP for 3 weeks and ordered a set of Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 295/35/21’s which I’ll put on the back rims then move the stock Mich 275’s to the front rims as the OP suggested. I’ve seen this mod mentioned a number of times and seems the cleanest solution to improving the ride, the looks, and adding the bonus of protection for the expensive Uberturbine wheels. I’ll do the swap at Discount Tires who checked and said the combo was approved by Tesla.
Jorge, great choice on the tire upsizing. I will tell you after 13K miles, it was worth the change. Was the change drastic? No, but it was enough of a difference that the harsh and jarring impacts from the OEM setup decreased. Enough!
Thanks for your help. Just got that setup today 275/35/21 front and 295/35/21 in the rear and yesssss the ride quality is soooooo much better. I immediately felt a difference.
I have MSM PMY on order and already have some 18" tires/wheels with 245/50-ZR18s on 8.5" wheels from TSportLine waiting on its arrival. I'll retire the 21" lead weights unless I opt to sell them outright. These are over 15 pounds lighter than the 21s per wheel. I don't see any value in the 21s aside from LOOKS.
Thomas, if you don't see much value in the 21's aside from looks and better performance than the smaller tire/wheel setup, why did you send the extra money on the Performance version? Resale value?
For those widths of wheels the stock size tires will provide the best handling. Wider tires would potentially diminish handling. The improvement in ride you are feeling might be related to a slightly taller sidewall
Great video and thanks for this and your other content. As someone who is looking at Model Y's and going back and forth b/t the LR with the 20s and the MYP with the staggered 21s, this video helps. I really want the MYP, but I'd still like to go with a square set up for it so i can rotate the tires and save some cash in the long run that way. What do you think of going with the front 9.5" wide wheel on all four corners with the 275/35/21s?
@@HansGruber88 thanks for reading some of the older post and comments. If I could do it again, I would downsize to the 20's and run 275/40/20. The 21's are really for looks.
Thanks for the great vid. Question: Are you still running this setup now that you’re lowered? Just lowered on Eibach Pro-Kits, so a minimal drop but wondering if you ran into any rubbing issues or anything with this setup now. Thanks!
18" x 10.5" forged wheels with 295/45/18 Xl load tires. No rub on stock MYLR. Looks, rides, and handles great with a reduction of almost 30 lbs unsprung weight.
Hi there, great video, 1st time watching your channel! I have a few questions. If we wanted to increase range, what size tires do you recommend? If a wanted to increase range and comfort, what size tires do you recommend? Finally, what brand tires do you recommend for the 2 options I'm asking along with your set up? Thank you again for the informative video
Hello John, thanks for stopping by my channel and checking out this video. To answer your questions, it’s not such cut and dry answers. Without knowing your tire setup, I can only assume and use example sized tires. Let’s say you’re currently running a 255/45/19 square setup. To increase range AND also comfort, you should decrease your tire size to a 245/50/19. This allows for a decrease in rolling resistance (due to tire width) while slightly increasing your rolling diameter (overall new tire is .6” taller). Range increase is marginal but the impact on performance, would take a hit. It would though, offer a more comfortable ride because you’re driving on more “air” (increase in sidewall height). For tire selection, stay away from Michelin as they are an expensive option for the Tesla. Take a look at the more cost effective, yet excellent performing tires from Continental or Hanhook. Hope this help you!
Thanks for this video! Did you notice any difference in ride height with the wider tires? I see the overall diameter is slightly taller but just wondering if that translates to higher ride height (HOPE NOT) or if the larger diameter gets absorbed from the sidewalls flexing?
NorCal 0 seconds ago I disagree. Increasing to a 295 tire means a wider tread which will decrease range and you still have a big tire gap. Instead you should have gone with a 40 series front / rear. Tread width stays the same which will not effect range yet overall diameter increase 1” for softer ride and aesthetically looks perfect with no more wheel gap!
Thanks for your suggestion and input NorCal. I agree with the range decrease due to greater rolling resistance. However, you're also using less power to go the same distance. IE, an OEM 275/35/21 revolves 706 times over a miles. Stepping up to a 295/35/21 would only require 693 revolutions. At that point, you're splitting hairs. Visually speaking, a 275/35/21 subjectively, does not look good on a 10.5" rim as I demonstrated in the video. Going with a taller profile tire like you suggested, would amplify the stretch look further as now, you're stepping up to a 40 series profile. A 295/35/21 looks better as there isn't the "stretched" look. In the end, this setup is what I found works well for me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so thank you for sharing yours. I'm sure there are plenty of MYP owner out there who might agree with your choice.
Thank you for your great video. May I ask a question ? If I want to do the same like your, I have to take out the tire 275/35/21 on the rear wheel(10.5) and replace the 255/35/21 on the front wheel (9.5) right? Then buy a pair of 295/35/21 and put on the rear wheel (10.5). And what is your tire’s PSI to make the MYP ride better? Thank you Mr.Peter.
Yes Nhan, you do exactly as you stated. For PSI, I run what Tesla recommends which is 41PSI. If you want a more soft ride, lower the PSI down to 34-36.
We have put close to 3K miles on this setup and still enjoy the ride. You'll need to source a local seller who sells these tires as the ones I bought, were locally sourced.
Thanks for the video! Has anyone tested what the 0-60 time is with the new setup? (295/35/21” tire on the REAR rims and OEM 275/35/21 tires on the front rims.) Because what's the point of getting the performance model if you lose the speed that is supposed to come with it right? Originally, 0-60 on the performance is 3.5 secs, I would be fine if it goes up to 3.8 secs, but anything above that I would say might as well go with the long range and save some money.
I personally have never clocked my 0-60 times but I can assure you, my MYP is not slow and suffers absolutely nothing from the tire change. Besides, do you REALLY think you're able to notice a .3 difference in 0-60? I highly doubt it. Now if you were to compare 3.6 to a mid 4 second 0-60, then yes, that's noticeable.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic I totally agree that you wouldn't notice a .3 difference, which is why I said I'll be fine with it haha. But lets say you go from 3.6 to a mid 4 second 0-60, if that does happen instead of buying the MYP wouldn't it make more sense to just buy the MYLR?
@@PFG888 Speed isn't the only difference between the 2 models. However, if you're only interested in the power, yes, you're 100% correct. If a change drastically impacted speed, no point in paying more for the MYP.
For a MYP what are your thoughts on running 9.5" Uberturbine wheels in the rear? That way you can run the same tire size on all 4 wheels and rotate them. I know this is costly up front but aside from that I'm considering running this setup.
Honestly, it's not a terrible idea. As you mentioned, going square with 275/35/21 and the 9.5" Uberturbines would allow you to rotate your tires front to back and vise versa. This long term, saves on tire cost.
You could be my Hero! Ive talked with several shops and they all want to sell coilovers to assist with comfort at a cost of about $3300 and up. This would be a great alternative to try and see if it will actually help in my case without spending thousands. I have a 22 MYLR (21"Ubers) placed Eibach lowering springs on and was told it would not effect ride quality, the way you describe feeling every pebble you go over is exactly my feeling. I love the car but hate the ride and was even considering placing ugly 19" wheels on it! ☹
Yes, you could try my recommendation, but it will not make as a huge difference. Yes, you'll have a little more comfort, but do not expect magic. Personally, I would not run 21"s and am considering stepping down to a 20" rim with a square 275/40/20" setup. This would potentially offer the best combination of aesthetics and function. BTW, coils would help to soften the ride. I have coils on mine and it did impact ride quality. For daily driving, it's no where near the stiffness as before.
I have a late-2023 (HW4.0) MY LR AWD. I swapped out the 19" Gemini's for Model 3 20" Sport Performance rims, which are 6 pounds lighter, and swapped out the stock tires for Hankook ION EV SUV AS 255/40/R20. The stock tires were 255/45/R19. The Hankook's have the foam inserts. The 20" tires look a lot better, and the ride seems to me to be about the same with the new setup - also, the tires are lighter, as well. No range change. Though, I actually would / should have gotten the Hankook ION EV SUV AS 255/45/R20's. I didn't think of it. Kicking myself for it. I feel pretty certain this would have not only made the car look better, but ride even better than the 19" Gemini's and the Hankook's I put on. And no issue with rubbing, either - and would have filled up the wheel well even better. Argh. Next time.
I have not measured the amount of miles traveled with this setup. In all honesty, having solar and a 240V charger at home, I do not worry about mileage much.
Thanks for the video. it has been bugging me since I picked up the car 5 months ago. i like the solution and don't mind spending money on two new tires. However, I am wondering if switching to 19" rim/tires would do the same trick. I plan to do that for winter tires anyway. Thanks
Hello H.P. Kwong, thanks for watching the video and great question. Switching to 19's would give you an exceptionally more comfortable ride due to the taller sidewall. For me, it was more cost effective to buy two tires instead of 4 new rims AND tires. With the Y being a Performance model, I personally thought that 19's would not look right as it's too "small" of a rim for the car. These are just my opinions though.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic Thank you so much Peter. Not to put words in your mouth…it sounds like money asides switching to 19” rim/tires would give a better ride than just getting 2 wider 21” rear tires.
How is handling tho? for a heavier SUV, the stretched tires prevent tire wall flex so cornering feels quicker and agile. Not sure how it'll feel with the proper flat sidewall set up
With over 17K miles on this setup, I can tell you handling is exceptional. My opinion is skewed though because I am lowered on coilovers which provide stellar handling characteristics.
This was a really great suggestion💯! I am with you I do not care to much about rage, ride comfort is more important to me,]. What tires tread you went with PS All season 4 or PS 4S?
Great video. Did you replace the rear tires with EV tires, with the foam for noise reduction, or are they just regular tires? You also got to consider the weight rating of the new tires since EV are so much heavier.
I did not replace the rears with EV specific tires. In all honesty, I do not think they are worth the extra cost. Regarding the weight rating, you are correct. One needs to make sure the load rating is high enough for EV use. Most of these high performance tires, will easily accommodate EVs.
Thank you so much The Automotive Fanatic for this video. After watching this video and reading the comments, last week I changed my MYP to your recommendation - got my tires changed at the local Costco (they had sale on Michelin tires). Before they changed it, I noticed the 275/35ZR21 had the foam inside the tire but the 295/35ZR21 did not. Not sure if it makes a difference in road noise. The first few days I thought it rode a bit stiffer, but I realized I was just getting used to the new tires. After a few days it has made a difference in the ride comfort and it is lot smoother. I did notice the regen doesn't last longer as the cars slows down much sooner. Is it because of the 295/35R grips more to the road? I haven't checked the range if it is dropped as I charge in the night and mostly use it within sub-urban. Costco recommended tire rotation after 7500 miles - front/rear tire left to right swap. Does it make a difference? Thanks again.
I am glad this change in tire setup helped you to achieve a better ride. You will see a slightly dip in range but honestly, the difference in ride quality more than makes up for the harshness of the OEM ride. As far as rotation goes, you cannot rotate the tires because the MYP has staggered tires. You can only "flip" the tires from one side to the other side.
So I made the upgrade then had Tesla do an alignment. Few weeks after the alignment there is a very subtle rapid thumping noise only when accelerating or regen breaking. No noise when just coasting. Tesla service is saying it’s the tire size not being factory. Anyone else have this noise issue with the larger tires?
Thanks for vid! any upgrade brands suggestions on shocks/ struts to further enhance suspension? leaning towards more cushy softer/air like ride like on new model S air dampers. Thanks
Do you have any experience with the 20 inch on the LR model as far as ride quality ? I’m going back and forth on LR vs performance model, ride quality is definitely higher on the list then the speed though.
Anthony, if ride quality is priority over performance, step down to the 20's and run a square setup. I would go with something like a 275/40/20 on a 8.5" rim. This would give you a much improved ride quality while maintaining a decent amount of performance.
Are you seeing a noticeable change in range? I know that there is likely a change due to more surface contact, but I was wondering if it was "significant" for long road trips. Also, have you tested a difference is your acceleration?
Nelson, your questions are excellent! Unfortunately, I did not measure the difference between the two setups. Having solar and a 240V charging setup at home, I do not give range much thought. With the Performance level trim, I did not compare acceleration either. It's still plenty fast!
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic No biggie. The speed was more about curiosity. I've never timed my MYP either. I just know that it's fast enough! haha I do take road trips every once in a while. A small change in range could mean a slight adjustment in which superchargers I'd need to stop at, but I doubt it really would make much of a noticeable difference.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic this should be easy enough to provide though right? You had an average wh mi before the change, then you can share the average after the change, and that will allow us to understand the percentage difference.
Just saw this. I am also looking to improve ride on my 5 week old MYP. I was thinking of a new set completely for winter{Chicago}. Would this suggested set up work for snow or do I still need to buy 19" wheels and tires?
Hello Lou, unfortunately this setup will not work as a winter setup. Living in Chicago, I would highly recommend that you purchase a second set of 19" rims and dedicated snow tires. It's costly, but will outperform any 21" setup you have.
Luke, from my research, only the MYP has a staggered setup. The LR use the 9.5" rims all around. My guess is, it's a Performance model, thus it should be staggered by other Performance cars. You can though, run a square setup all around. I would not though, run anything larger than a 275, MAYBE...a 285 at most, on a 9.5" rim.
First, why wouldn’t you recommend using 295 on all fours aside from the obvious decrease in range. Second how about 285 in the front and 295 in the back? I love the power on my MYP but wants a less harsh ride especially when my wife is with me. Don’t know much about tires. I hope you can enlighten me. Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the video. Will the stock model y performance rear tire be able to swap to the front rim and I just buy two new 295/35/21 tire for the rear?
I have a new 2023 Model Y performance and was wondering if instead of keeping the tires offset would the 275 all the way around be a good option because i travel A lot and this would make things easier for tire rotation
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic I’m running 275/35/21 all the way around with the front rim used on all axels 21’ x 9.5 and it rides great and gives the rims added protection if you happen to hit a potholes you’re not able to avoid.
First thing, see how wide your OEM rims are and the their current offset. If they are at least a 9" rim, step to to a 265/40/20 or even a 275/40/20. Your ride quality will drastically improve.
Any issues long term with that 275 in the front? I was thinking of just buying 275-35-21 and putting it on the front and matching the rears so I could rotate them as needed.
It's been close to 7K miles and no issues to report at all. If you do decide to spend some money for a better ride, I would definitely go with a square 9.5" rim set up but run 275/40/21 instead. This will give you a much less harsh ride.
@ooogen4366 Thats exactly what I'm considering on my 2924 MYP. Have you tried this ? 275/35/21 tires on all four corners using the MYP OEM 21 uberturbine 9.5 front rims as well as on the 10.5 rear rims. Really curious how it would look. Seems like the advantage being able to rotate them and getting a softer ride from the fronts would be a great setup. I'm surprised I haven't see much out there about running this setup.
Thank you for this video it helps specially for us in NYC. Have you done an efficiency comparison? What is the range sacrifice we would give up with this set up? thank you!
I have Tesla model y 2021 and have the pzero 275/35/21 . After I changed the tire I felt the car bumps and less smooth ride is very annoying . What other things could I do to have a smoother ride ? And by how much percentage would you say the ride comfort increased after the switch of tire sizes ? Thank you
First off, changing the tire size only offers a marginal difference. It's enough that you can FEEL, but not earth shattering. To soften up the ride, you can change out the springs, shocks, or both at the same time. There are many vendors out there who sell "comfort" set ups that make a substantial difference in ride quality.
Hi Te Meg! Here’s a question from one of your MYP subscribers from Sweden! What is the complete name of the tire you did install? And after a few months of driving, are you still pleased? And have you noticed any decrease in range? Great video man!
Hey there from Sweden! Thanks for watching and the support. The tires I installed is the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. The difference in ride was immediate and after 6K miles, I have no regrets. Range wise, I may have lost 3-5% which isn't bad at all.
Hi and I assume that when you moved the rear tires to the front, you took those tires off the 10.5" rear wheels and installed them on the 9.5" front wheels, correct?
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hey peter where did you buy the 295 tires? i looked on america's tires and they don't offer the 295 tires for the performance y. they recommend sticking to 275/295
Sounds to me that you're in the US. I would take a look on eBay or your local FB marketplace. That is where I found mine. I was lucky and found a pair which were used with over 80% treat left for a great price.
This is so helpful. I just replaced the rear tires at Discount Tire for the equivalent for what was there. But sounds like if I move those up, and get Michelin 295/35/21 for the rear, then I didn't just waste money 😊 Which Michelin do you recommend? PILOT SPORT 4 SUV 295 /35 R21? Or different? Is this still the biggest change you've found to impact the harsh ride on the MYP?
Brenden, pick up a set of the Pilot Sport 4. Those will suit your needs perfectly fine. If you a night/day difference in ride comfort, I would highly advise to downsize to a 20" rim and run 275/40/20 on a 9 or 9.5" rim. Otherwise, the 275/295 will provide some relief from the pure harshness of the OEM tires.
Brenden, I guess you can try the 295 /35 R21 from Continental DSW 06 plus, these are cheaper than michelins, good warranty for 50k miles, better or comparable road noise and comfort compared to michelins.
I think its a great option because you'll have the Same OEM look and feel, but will have better grip. My question is that the extra width is the correct size for the rims yes?
The size increase will 100% work on the OEM sized rims. In fact, a few rim/tire sites I reviewed flagged those sizes to work very well on a 9" & 10.5" rim.
@@aspired1049 great eye! Being that one is a summer and the other an A/S tire, performance difference will be minute for a daily driver. Now if you're a professional driver who is trying to extract the most from your tires, then the difference will be drastic.
My 21 inch 2023 MYP tires do not look like yours (stretched look and not protecting rim)? I have Michelin all season. Did something change with Michelin tires or where your tires summer perf tires? Also my tires ride quiet and smooth.
The Michelin that came on MYP were the A/S. Is it possible for you to share a photo? I'd like to see the tire and know how a 275/35/21 is not stretched on a 10.5" rim.
thanks for the advise. Question. Mr rear tires are done but my front still have a good act of tread. Is it ok to change out my rear to 295 and in about 9 months change the front to 275's. or do I have to change all 4 at once. Thanks
If you keep your front tires, then you're looking at running 255/35/21 & 295/35/21 on a dual motor Model Y. While the MYP does not have a "drive axle" I still would not recommend that much of a difference in tire size.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic thank you. maybe I can get the 275's and when the front wear off more the tires to the front rims and get 295 placed on the rear rims. is that something that they may do?
Great question....I closely examined the OEM setup to the new setup and yes, because I have running wider tires, you do have slightly more rim protection.
I would like to thank you for this great video. After I have read the entire 249 comments (including all the replies) I would like to ask the following questions pls: 1- As a bottom line, what tire/rim sizes would you recommend (width, profile and diameter) for a TOP-COMFORT ride (a ride that is less bumpy and more flexible as much as possible). Note: I am about to buy a Model Y but I haven’t decided whether it’s going to be LR or MYP. Comfy ride is my top priority, though I like the power of MYP. 2- Have you heard any news recently about whether Tesla is going to enhance the suspension of Model Y in 2023 model? 3- I prefer the steering wheel to be very soft (that I can turn it with 1 finger) like a steering wheel of a Lexus for example, so does a wider tire make the steering wheel harder or softer? 4- I watched some videos saying that a MY that is made in Berlin would have a better suspension that a one that is made in Shanghai, any idea whether this’s really true?
Hello there any thanks for asking your questions. Here are my inputs: 1- best tire & rim combination for TOP- COMFORT would be a set of 19" rims mated to 265/45/19's. DO NOT get runflats as they are a very hard compound tire. 2- I heard that Tesla created a softer suspension setup for 2023 MY. I have yet to ride in a 2023 nor do I know if the "comfort suspension" really exist. 3- Running wider tires will make the turning on your steering wheel more difficult. 4- Being US based, I was not aware that Berlin made MYs. I'm sorry that I could not answer that. If you are seeking a more comfortable ride, run the tire setup I recommended. On top of that, change the entire front/rear springs/shocks out with a custom set of coilovers that have a "comfort" spring rate.
Which I had seen this a week ago. I just replaced the rear tire 3 days ago on my 2019 Tesla Model 3 performance. What would you recommend for a more comfortable ride on my Model 3. Currently I’m running Michelin 235/35R20 92Y front and back. Thanks much!!
TackleFram, your M3P comes with 20x8.5" rims. Running a 235/35 on those rims is very common as it is for several other manufactures. You could step up to a 245/35/20 which would give slightly better comfort and looks. If you're a risk taker, step up to a 255/35/20 for even more sidewall and ride comfort. The later size though, is the MAX you could safely run without rubbing on the front knuckles.
Hi Peter, thanks for sharing this upgrade ! I^m waiting for my MYP from Giga Berlin....can you tell something about the precision / accuracy of the speedometer ? thx and regards from switzerland
Can you get these tires in all season or winter/snow tires? I’m in NY and worried about driving in the snow… was thinking about getting a set of 19s from Tsport with all season tires and swap them out for the fall and winter… what do you think?
If you currently have the Uberturbine wheels, I would not run them in the winter months. As you mentioned, pick up a set of 19" with A/S or Snow tires and call it good. There are plenty of sizes that will work properly with the 19" rims.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic yea I think I’m gonna go that route… my wife is going to take it to work.. don’t want the car skidding on the road… take delivery in 2 days can’t wait… also did you do PPF??
@@RosePigCooking 19s" would be a great choice in NY. I'm excited for you. Please post when you receive it and your initial impressions. As far as PPF goes, I would HIGHLY recommend it. The front end of the Model Y is very soft and easily damaged from rock debris. It's costly though.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic Perfect, thank you. Picking up our first tesla today and want to go this route. I know there’s no transfer case/drive shaft connecting the front and back, but wasn’t sure if there was programming that basically acting the same way.
what would you say if it all 4 tires are 20 in? do you think that would improve ride quality and make it smoother? im looking at getting a 2022 Model Y Perf, and some people said that i should get 20 in for all 4 tires bc that will improve ride, noise, and bumpiness. Have you heard that tire set up before? Thank you for your help with this..
Many owners have downsized to the 20" rims with good success. If I could do it again, I would run a 265/40/20 tires on a square rim set up. This would provide better range, slightly softer ride quality, and the ability to rotate my tires.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic that sounds awesome. I want the 21s for the summer and look and I was looking to get the 20' for all the other weather. but getting more range with the 20 is what im really looking for. Thanks for that.
Did Anyone who has done this substitution of the tires 275/34 295/35 got rims scratches due to the substitution process? The workshop told me that they cannot guarantee absences of scratches if the tires are too tight… I was wondering what people has experienced on this?
Roy, if you're running 20's, the recommended tire size would be different. Correct me if I am wrong, but on 20's, OEM tires are 255/40/20 on a 9.5" rim. I would personally run a square 275/40/20 setup which would yield a MUCH better ride quality and offer more rim protection.
275/35/21 will work fine for the fronts. However, 315/30/21 might be a bit too wide on that 10" rim and the rolling circumference is too far from OEM. You might want to try 305.
And why are we forced To pay extra for tesla foam tires. Do they make much of a difference with road noise? Im a ups driver and i see foam tires often when i drop them off at discount tire
Peter: I have Model Y Long Range with the 20 inch stock rims and tires. My ride is rough as well. What size tires would you suggest that would improve ride while using the stock rims?
Hello Howard, if you're running the OEM 20 x 8.5" rims, I would run the following set 265/40/20. This size would be a good compromise between comfort and performance.
Peter: I also have a Model Y RWD 2024 - my ride is also rough, feeling every bump in the road! I’ve contemplated looking at the suspension but then came across your video. I have the 20” induction alloys. My tyres are OEM (Michelin) 255/40/20 - and they looked very stretched! What do you recommend for the most comfortable ride on both front and rear?
Honestly Tom, I would run the OEM 255/45/19. Those fit the MY well and provide decent comfort. If you truly want to change, look at 265/45/19. That's slightly taller with more comfort, but it's completely unnecessary.
Prices on the stock tires are outrageous! I just spent 1040 dollars for 2 back tires on my y performance at 22,000 miles. Ouch 😣 I can’t imagine what the wider tires cost. 19 inch Gemini wheels for me with 255 45’s is a good compromise.
Well it does look nice but anything taking away from range I’ll pass, I can. Deal with the bumps etc., they not that bad..well at least not for me Ty for the video
Maybe a stupid question, but does this affect the warranty? Tesla support said that if it is not a tire they recommend then it can affect the warranty if I would have an accident. It sounds very weird to me. Have any of you heard about this?
It's interesting that you ask. I was reading today and saw a pos that a Tesla location refused to check a customer's Tesla because they did not have Tesla approved tires. In a court of law, there is not way Tesla would win this kind of case so NO, changing tires would not impact your warranty.
This is very a useful information! Thank you ! What would you recommend for Model Y LR 19inch ? Front and rear. I still need it to be smoother and quieter.
I am glad that you found this video useful. Your LR 19 should have 255/45/19 on a 9.5" rim. Are you finding this setup rough? Perhaps you could step up to a 275/45/19. You gain slightly more "air/sidewall" and the tire will fit much better on the 9.5" rim.
Hello Peter, thank you for the video. I am attempting the same setup with Michelin Pilot A/S tires but am only able to find V & Y ratings for the rears and W rating for the fronts. I do not ever plan to go anywhere near the max speed of V. Would that be a concern to mix?
Hello Tim, thanks for watching and the question. All of the speed ratings you mentioned, will not be an issue UNLESS you plan to race your car over 149mph. That figure is the limit of the slowest one, the V. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry at all.
I used to own 2012 Toyota Sienna van. It is so smooth and very much quiet. on freeway. Even tesla model-3 basic trim 19in tires are so noisy on freeway. It is only better at 25mph smooth roads drive through or in parking lot. Tesla is heavy car. suspension is very harsh and rough. it is just like a low rider mod car.
First, why wouldn’t you recommend using 295 on all fours aside from the obvious decrease in range. Second how about 285 in the front and 295 in the back? I love the power on my MYP but wants a less harsh ride especially when my wife is with me. Don’t know much about tires. I hope you can enlighten me. Thanks in advance.
I would not recommend 295 all around because the front rims (8.5") are too narrow to safely accommodate that size. In addition, 295 up front would rub on the inner liner or have issues with the hub. if you wanted to run a 285, that would be pushing the boundaries. It might work but again, how safely would it fit on a 8.5" rim and clear the inner liner.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic how about a 265/40 In the front and 285/40 in the rear? Wouldnt that give me more height on the tires to absorb the rough roads? Have you tried that or Do you know anybody who had done that?
Would be keen to know the speedo accuracy now. The back has increased by 1.7% and front by 2.1%. Presumably Tesla use front axle or back axle for speedo, can’t imagine they’d use both and average result.
If Tesla uses the front for speedometer, then you would be going 1.3mph faster @ 60mph. If the rear is used, then you would be going 1 mph faster @ 60mph.
Are there any warranty concerns since the ratio from front to back is changed? I know there isn’t a transfer case are anything in between, but is the software acting in the similar way?
@@realjredecop I doubt there would be. Never once have I heard of an dealerships voiding a warranty because the owners switched to a tire size that was 1.7% larger in diameter.
Thanks for the video. My Yp delivery date is August 3. I hope they give me Michelins, if not I might need to buy all four tires. What ever they give me I’ll see how the default ride is first here in south Florida.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic is Michelin the one that has summer tires with added foam layer for added noise reduction and comfort? What are the best soft riding tires for the Yp Ubertines?
@@JazJonFL Yes, the OEM Michelins do have the foam inside to help with road noise. If I were to purchase four brand new tires, I would pick up the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. They are excellent tires.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic Would the comfort increase with PS4S vs the PSAS4? and if so, how significant would it be? i saw somewhere online say it was like only a 5% increase but you sacrifice wet and snow performance.
@@JazJonFL I believe the comfort increase would be insignificant. The real world difference though, would be performance. You're going from a 500TW tire, down to a 300TW.
Hello, just picked up Model Y Long Range with 20"x 9.5"wheels. what tire set up would you recommend for softer ride quality? I see some threads below that for 20" wheels, you recommended 8.5" width. Does this mean I need to get new wheels too? Thanks in advance
Hey Sang, with your 20x9.5" rims, you do not need to get new tires. If I had 20" rims, I would run a square setup of 275/40/20. This would be a great compromise between looks, function, and range.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic Thank you so much for your response. Would any tire with that size specification work? or do you recommend any specific brands/ type of tires?
@@sjlee48 I would stick to a trusted brand and not deviate from it. What also helps is making sure you're not purchasing a "hard" tire with a treadwear of 500+. Those tend to ride rough due to the hard compound of the tire.
I just updated the tires to 295/35/21 and moved original 275/35/21 to the front. It is noticeably softer ride, great video! 👍
That's great to hear!
Great to hear that it is comfier, could you please share insight on if there was any range drop? if so can u share u observations?
@@kvk1947 No regrets on the tire changes, still softer ride. Car height increase by 3rd of an inch and stats reporting average 304 Wh/mi. No noticeable range decrease.
No issues when the front on performance model rim size is 9/5 and rear is 10.5?
@@stanc521212 No issues, full turn left/right no tire rubs. No regrets on this modification!
I did that 2 weeks after taking delivery of my performance y. Big improvement in ride quality. Not much range loss in my opinion. Just depends on how you drive it.
Thank you for adding in your input. If cost was not an issue, I would downsize to a 20" rim.
I think I might have to do this as well. It’s so rough it will almost make you sick to your stomach.
haha.. there you are again. I found your channel a few years ago when I was researching something for my S5. Now I am about to get the model y performance and found you again. Good info. Thanks
Hello there and thank you for running into my channel again. If you search hard enough under Porsche, you'll find me too. LOL
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic 😆
it would be good to know the range with these tires and compare it with what others seen on their stock tires, can you post some range tests?
Good to know, thank you, Peter! Wish adaptive damper system included in the future.
Thanks for watching and the support Ray!
You got your wish. Since it came with the new 3P, we can certainly expect it for the 2025 YP refresh
Rear rim looks like it can easily fit a 305 for better contact. But that would also mean less efficiency on the range front. Was thinking about doing this same thing, glad I found your video.
305 would be the MAX you could fit but range much suffer even worst than the 295.
@@jaspertjones agreed 305/35/21 are difficult to find and are not cheap.
I think 295 is already overkill for this car, you don't need such wide tires cuz it's AWD so it's already got more than enough traction to get the fastest acceleration possible. Some UA-camrs tested and have found that theMYP accelerates faster with smaller and lighter wheels and tires. I bet handling is amazing with 275 front and 295 rear though. I still prefer the Gemini wheels and tires cuz I get a lot more range and accelerate faster.
@@jayistheway9968 Everything you mentioned above, is absolutely correct. For many reasons that some other Tesla owners may not agree with, I choose this direction. It does not provide the best efficiency, but with the capability to charge "free" with solar, I am ok with it. I greatly appreciate your feedback as it provide different alternatives.
@@jayistheway9968 I am doing it for rim protection because my wife drives the car sometimes, thanks for the tip on the gemini wheels.
That is an expensive way to get just a little gain. Swapping the wheels and tires out would be a better option.
If my calculations are correct, wouldn't swapping wheel and tires be a MUCH more expensive option?
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic you can typically sell original wheels and tires for a decent amount if they are barely used. There are some aftermarket wheel and tire options that are actually quite inexpensive. There are definitely some that are more expensive but you can basically swap wheels and tires for free if you sell the original ones.
Thanks Peter, Not as good as changing the 21’s for 19’s inch rims and tires, but $2k to $3k less. I’m going to take your advice.
Agreed Steve. Having to buy new 20 or 19" rims and tires is expensive.
I did the same thing as soon as I got my 2022 MYP. This is must if you are keeping the 21" uberturbines.
I 100% agree!
I just put 275/45/19 gimini wheels on my P. 22% more sidewall than the 35 series stock. weight in at 64ish lbs. STock uberturbines where about 69 and 74 lbs with tires. running about 38psi cold. much softer but still pretty grippy. I love the look of the 21s but need something that can handle pothole and bad roads. Setup is about .06% bigger than stock. likely the 275/50/19 would have been nice. Might be close to rubbing in the front though.
That's not a bad combination Tim Z. You must have a better ride as your sidewall is taller and has more "air" to drive on.
Is the range difference huge? How many miles will I lose?
One of the first things I did when I got my '23 MYP was move the 275/35 to the front and added 295/35 to the rear. Aside from the benefits you mentioned, I found that the modified tire setup also provides additional protection for the Uberturbine wheels that are more prone to curb rash with the factory tire setup. I'm curious about running a 275/40 + 295/40 setup as well. Might experiment with that when it's time to change out.
Ed, prior to deciding on the upsizing, I calculated different sizes. The 275/40 & 295/40 would be too tall. You're increasing the overall diameter by almost 2" or 6% which is too much.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic 👍🏾
I read a post where someone did that setup with 275/40 295/40 and now speedo is off about 4mph @ 75mph, said he spoke with service center and they could not correct?
@@papodac36 I do not believe you can change them to match the 275/40/21 setup.
Thanks for your video. I also noticed the rough ride in my 2023 Model Y, but I simply reduced the pressure in the tires from 50 to 40 PSI. Much better ride, cost me nothing. Yes, I probably will have slightly lower range and slightly more outer tire wear, but I think it is well worth it!
Ken, 50 PSI? No wonder your MY rode rough. I have seen recommendations as high as 45, not never 50. The MYP is set at 41-42 so if you're running 40, you will see no difference in range.
Mine were aired up to 45 psi during a recent service visit I couldnt stand it and lowered them back to 41
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@@ds2453 yep, way too much PSI IMHO.
I’ve had my MYP for 3 weeks and ordered a set of Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 295/35/21’s which I’ll put on the back rims then move the stock Mich 275’s to the front rims as the OP suggested. I’ve seen this mod mentioned a number of times and seems the cleanest solution to improving the ride, the looks, and adding the bonus of protection for the expensive Uberturbine wheels. I’ll do the swap at Discount Tires who checked and said the combo was approved by Tesla.
Jorge, great choice on the tire upsizing. I will tell you after 13K miles, it was worth the change. Was the change drastic? No, but it was enough of a difference that the harsh and jarring impacts from the OEM setup decreased. Enough!
Thanks for your help. Just got that setup today 275/35/21 front and 295/35/21 in the rear and yesssss the ride quality is soooooo much better. I immediately felt a difference.
That is great to hear! I still enjoy my setup and it's been close to 1yr.
I have MSM PMY on order and already have some 18" tires/wheels with 245/50-ZR18s on 8.5" wheels from TSportLine waiting on its arrival. I'll retire the 21" lead weights unless I opt to sell them outright. These are over 15 pounds lighter than the 21s per wheel. I don't see any value in the 21s aside from LOOKS.
Thomas, if you don't see much value in the 21's aside from looks and better performance than the smaller tire/wheel setup, why did you send the extra money on the Performance version? Resale value?
I would like to see a side by side photo comparison of what they look like looking at them from the front or rear
Sorry Edward, I did not create a side by side comparison. The video does though, show what it would look like.
I think by going wider, you also reduce the risk of curbing the rims
You are 100% correct, there is slightly more curb protection.
Great job amazing video keep it up Peter . Love ur videos learn so much !
Thank you for the support Andrew!
1. I hate the stretched look.
2. I hate the idea of using alloy rims to protect the rubber sidewalls from the curbs.
Likewise Bill, and it's dangerous too!
For those widths of wheels the stock size tires will provide the best handling. Wider tires would potentially diminish handling. The improvement in ride you are feeling might be related to a slightly taller sidewall
Great video and thanks for this and your other content. As someone who is looking at Model Y's and going back and forth b/t the LR with the 20s and the MYP with the staggered 21s, this video helps. I really want the MYP, but I'd still like to go with a square set up for it so i can rotate the tires and save some cash in the long run that way. What do you think of going with the front 9.5" wide wheel on all four corners with the 275/35/21s?
Actually I see in prior comments, it’s been asked and you answered as well. Thanks!
@@HansGruber88 thanks for reading some of the older post and comments. If I could do it again, I would downsize to the 20's and run 275/40/20. The 21's are really for looks.
Thanks for the great vid. Question: Are you still running this setup now that you’re lowered? Just lowered on Eibach Pro-Kits, so a minimal drop but wondering if you ran into any rubbing issues or anything with this setup now. Thanks!
Yes, I have been running this same tire set up for our 5K miles without any issues.
18" x 10.5" forged wheels with 295/45/18 Xl load tires. No rub on stock MYLR. Looks, rides, and handles great with a reduction of almost 30 lbs unsprung weight.
Thank you for your input. This may help others improve their ride quality.
Hi there, great video, 1st time watching your channel! I have a few questions. If we wanted to increase range, what size tires do you recommend? If a wanted to increase range and comfort, what size tires do you recommend? Finally, what brand tires do you recommend for the 2 options I'm asking along with your set up? Thank you again for the informative video
Hello John, thanks for stopping by my channel and checking out this video. To answer your questions, it’s not such cut and dry answers.
Without knowing your tire setup, I can only assume and use example sized tires. Let’s say you’re currently running a 255/45/19 square setup. To increase range AND also comfort, you should decrease your tire size to a 245/50/19. This allows for a decrease in rolling resistance (due to tire width) while slightly increasing your rolling diameter (overall new tire is .6” taller). Range increase is marginal but the impact on performance, would take a hit. It would though, offer a more comfortable ride because you’re driving on more “air” (increase in sidewall height).
For tire selection, stay away from Michelin as they are an expensive option for the Tesla. Take a look at the more cost effective, yet excellent performing tires from Continental or Hanhook. Hope this help you!
Thanks for this video! Did you notice any difference in ride height with the wider tires? I see the overall diameter is slightly taller but just wondering if that translates to higher ride height (HOPE NOT) or if the larger diameter gets absorbed from the sidewalls flexing?
Chris, the change in ride height is roughly 1/2" it's something you cannot tell.
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I disagree. Increasing to a 295 tire means a wider tread which will decrease range and you still have a big tire gap. Instead you should have gone with a 40 series front / rear. Tread width stays the same which will not effect range yet overall diameter increase 1” for softer ride and aesthetically looks perfect with no more wheel gap!
Thanks for your suggestion and input NorCal. I agree with the range decrease due to greater rolling resistance. However, you're also using less power to go the same distance. IE, an OEM 275/35/21 revolves 706 times over a miles. Stepping up to a 295/35/21 would only require 693 revolutions. At that point, you're splitting hairs.
Visually speaking, a 275/35/21 subjectively, does not look good on a 10.5" rim as I demonstrated in the video. Going with a taller profile tire like you suggested, would amplify the stretch look further as now, you're stepping up to a 40 series profile. A 295/35/21 looks better as there isn't the "stretched" look. In the end, this setup is what I found works well for me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so thank you for sharing yours. I'm sure there are plenty of MYP owner out there who might agree with your choice.
Are the new replacements EV rated Michelin?
No, the new Michelins are not EV rated.
Thank you for your great video.
May I ask a question ? If I want to do the same like your, I have to take out the tire 275/35/21 on the rear wheel(10.5) and replace the 255/35/21 on the front wheel (9.5) right? Then buy a pair of 295/35/21 and put on the rear wheel (10.5).
And what is your tire’s PSI to make the MYP ride better?
Thank you Mr.Peter.
Yes Nhan, you do exactly as you stated. For PSI, I run what Tesla recommends which is 41PSI. If you want a more soft ride, lower the PSI down to 34-36.
How is the setup going for you. Still satisfied? Also can you share the link for 295
We have put close to 3K miles on this setup and still enjoy the ride. You'll need to source a local seller who sells these tires as the ones I bought, were locally sourced.
Thanks for the video!
Has anyone tested what the 0-60 time is with the new setup? (295/35/21” tire on the REAR rims and OEM 275/35/21 tires on the front rims.) Because what's the point of getting the performance model if you lose the speed that is supposed to come with it right?
Originally, 0-60 on the performance is 3.5 secs, I would be fine if it goes up to 3.8 secs, but anything above that I would say might as well go with the long range and save some money.
I personally have never clocked my 0-60 times but I can assure you, my MYP is not slow and suffers absolutely nothing from the tire change. Besides, do you REALLY think you're able to notice a .3 difference in 0-60? I highly doubt it. Now if you were to compare 3.6 to a mid 4 second 0-60, then yes, that's noticeable.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic I totally agree that you wouldn't notice a .3 difference, which is why I said I'll be fine with it haha. But lets say you go from 3.6 to a mid 4 second 0-60, if that does happen instead of buying the MYP wouldn't it make more sense to just buy the MYLR?
@@PFG888 Speed isn't the only difference between the 2 models. However, if you're only interested in the power, yes, you're 100% correct. If a change drastically impacted speed, no point in paying more for the MYP.
For a MYP what are your thoughts on running 9.5" Uberturbine wheels in the rear? That way you can run the same tire size on all 4 wheels and rotate them. I know this is costly up front but aside from that I'm considering running this setup.
Honestly, it's not a terrible idea. As you mentioned, going square with 275/35/21 and the 9.5" Uberturbines would allow you to rotate your tires front to back and vise versa. This long term, saves on tire cost.
You could be my Hero! Ive talked with several shops and they all want to sell coilovers to assist with comfort at a cost of about $3300 and up. This would be a great alternative to try and see if it will actually help in my case without spending thousands. I have a 22 MYLR (21"Ubers) placed Eibach lowering springs on and was told it would not effect ride quality, the way you describe feeling every pebble you go over is exactly my feeling. I love the car but hate the ride and was even considering placing ugly 19" wheels on it! ☹
Yes, you could try my recommendation, but it will not make as a huge difference. Yes, you'll have a little more comfort, but do not expect magic. Personally, I would not run 21"s and am considering stepping down to a 20" rim with a square 275/40/20" setup. This would potentially offer the best combination of aesthetics and function. BTW, coils would help to soften the ride. I have coils on mine and it did impact ride quality. For daily driving, it's no where near the stiffness as before.
I have a late-2023 (HW4.0) MY LR AWD. I swapped out the 19" Gemini's for Model 3 20" Sport Performance rims, which are 6 pounds lighter, and swapped out the stock tires for Hankook ION EV SUV AS 255/40/R20. The stock tires were 255/45/R19. The Hankook's have the foam inserts. The 20" tires look a lot better, and the ride seems to me to be about the same with the new setup - also, the tires are lighter, as well. No range change.
Though, I actually would / should have gotten the Hankook ION EV SUV AS 255/45/R20's. I didn't think of it. Kicking myself for it. I feel pretty certain this would have not only made the car look better, but ride even better than the 19" Gemini's and the Hankook's I put on. And no issue with rubbing, either - and would have filled up the wheel well even better. Argh. Next time.
Greatly appreciate you input. So many owners are looking to soften the ride up and this info definitely helps!
Thanks for the video! What is your average wh/mi with the new set up?
I have not measured the amount of miles traveled with this setup. In all honesty, having solar and a 240V charger at home, I do not worry about mileage much.
Thanks for the video. it has been bugging me since I picked up the car 5 months ago. i like the solution and don't mind spending money on two new tires. However, I am wondering if switching to 19" rim/tires would do the same trick. I plan to do that for winter tires anyway. Thanks
Hello H.P. Kwong, thanks for watching the video and great question. Switching to 19's would give you an exceptionally more comfortable ride due to the taller sidewall. For me, it was more cost effective to buy two tires instead of 4 new rims AND tires. With the Y being a Performance model, I personally thought that 19's would not look right as it's too "small" of a rim for the car. These are just my opinions though.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic Thank you so much Peter. Not to put words in your mouth…it sounds like money asides switching to 19” rim/tires would give a better ride than just getting 2 wider 21” rear tires.
@@HPKwong Correct!
How is handling tho? for a heavier SUV, the stretched tires prevent tire wall flex so cornering feels quicker and agile. Not sure how it'll feel with the proper flat sidewall set up
With over 17K miles on this setup, I can tell you handling is exceptional. My opinion is skewed though because I am lowered on coilovers which provide stellar handling characteristics.
This was a really great suggestion💯! I am with you I do not care to much about rage, ride comfort is more important to me,]. What tires tread you went with PS All season 4 or PS 4S?
I ended up going with the 4S.
Great video. Did you replace the rear tires with EV tires, with the foam for noise reduction, or are they just regular tires? You also got to consider the weight rating of the new tires since EV are so much heavier.
I did not replace the rears with EV specific tires. In all honesty, I do not think they are worth the extra cost. Regarding the weight rating, you are correct. One needs to make sure the load rating is high enough for EV use. Most of these high performance tires, will easily accommodate EVs.
Just came across your channel. After replacement, what did you do with your new set tires 255/35 R21?
I ended up selling the tires to a local Tesla owner.
Thank you so much The Automotive Fanatic for this video. After watching this video and reading the comments, last week I changed my MYP to your recommendation - got my tires changed at the local Costco (they had sale on Michelin tires). Before they changed it, I noticed the 275/35ZR21 had the foam inside the tire but the 295/35ZR21 did not. Not sure if it makes a difference in road noise. The first few days I thought it rode a bit stiffer, but I realized I was just getting used to the new tires. After a few days it has made a difference in the ride comfort and it is lot smoother. I did notice the regen doesn't last longer as the cars slows down much sooner. Is it because of the 295/35R grips more to the road? I haven't checked the range if it is dropped as I charge in the night and mostly use it within sub-urban. Costco recommended tire rotation after 7500 miles - front/rear tire left to right swap. Does it make a difference? Thanks again.
I am glad this change in tire setup helped you to achieve a better ride. You will see a slightly dip in range but honestly, the difference in ride quality more than makes up for the harshness of the OEM ride. As far as rotation goes, you cannot rotate the tires because the MYP has staggered tires. You can only "flip" the tires from one side to the other side.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic - Appreciate the prompt response.
I think going for smaller rims and more rubber and air is better. Any reason why it is not, apart from just looks alone?
Cost effective
The initial cost to buy smaller tires and rims, would be expensive compared to simply buying two new tires.
So I made the upgrade then had Tesla do an alignment. Few weeks after the alignment there is a very subtle rapid thumping noise only when accelerating or regen breaking. No noise when just coasting. Tesla service is saying it’s the tire size not being factory. Anyone else have this noise issue with the larger tires?
Of course Tesla will tell you that. I am close to 20K with this setup and have never heard of any thumping noises.
Thanks for vid! any upgrade brands suggestions on shocks/ struts to further enhance suspension? leaning towards more cushy softer/air like ride like on new model S air dampers. Thanks
Take a look at TEIN, Koni, or the new ST by KW shocks.
Appreciate your response!😀
thanks, man.. I will do this as soon as my MYLR comes in. my wife already complained about ride on test drive LOL!!!!
It will help out!
Do you have any experience with the 20 inch on the LR model as far as ride quality ? I’m going back and forth on LR vs performance model, ride quality is definitely higher on the list then the speed though.
Anthony, if ride quality is priority over performance, step down to the 20's and run a square setup. I would go with something like a 275/40/20 on a 8.5" rim. This would give you a much improved ride quality while maintaining a decent amount of performance.
What if you only want comfort?
Are you seeing a noticeable change in range? I know that there is likely a change due to more surface contact, but I was wondering if it was "significant" for long road trips.
Also, have you tested a difference is your acceleration?
Nelson, your questions are excellent! Unfortunately, I did not measure the difference between the two setups. Having solar and a 240V charging setup at home, I do not give range much thought. With the Performance level trim, I did not compare acceleration either. It's still plenty fast!
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic No biggie. The speed was more about curiosity. I've never timed my MYP either. I just know that it's fast enough! haha
I do take road trips every once in a while. A small change in range could mean a slight adjustment in which superchargers I'd need to stop at, but I doubt it really would make much of a noticeable difference.
@@Nelson_Ocampo I think the difference would be marginal.
Nice video
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic this should be easy enough to provide though right? You had an average wh mi before the change, then you can share the average after the change, and that will allow us to understand the percentage difference.
Just saw this. I am also looking to improve ride on my 5 week old MYP. I was thinking of a new set completely for winter{Chicago}. Would this suggested set up work for snow or do I still need to buy 19" wheels and tires?
Hello Lou, unfortunately this setup will not work as a winter setup. Living in Chicago, I would highly recommend that you purchase a second set of 19" rims and dedicated snow tires. It's costly, but will outperform any 21" setup you have.
What is the reason why tesla went with staggered wheels in the first place?
What would happen if u put 275 or 295 on all four tires?
Luke, from my research, only the MYP has a staggered setup. The LR use the 9.5" rims all around. My guess is, it's a Performance model, thus it should be staggered by other Performance cars. You can though, run a square setup all around. I would not though, run anything larger than a 275, MAYBE...a 285 at most, on a 9.5" rim.
First, why wouldn’t you recommend using 295 on all fours aside from the obvious decrease in range.
Second how about 285 in the front and 295 in the back? I love the power on my MYP but wants a less harsh ride especially when my wife is with me. Don’t know much about tires. I hope you can enlighten me. Thanks in advance.
Would getting lighter 20” wheels using the setup you recommend be better with increased range?
Going with 20" rims would be a fanatic idea! Not only would the ride be more comfortable, you might see a slight improvement in range.
Thanks for the video. Will the stock model y performance rear tire be able to swap to the front rim and I just buy two new 295/35/21 tire for the rear?
Hello StanC52, yes, the OEM rears will work on the fronts. Then all you need to do, is to purchase two 295/35/21 and install them on the rear.
It’s not rough. Michelins mine came with are great. Ride is smooth. Get a Buick if you want to float.
Ride quality is 100% subjective. I am glad that you're OK with your ride quality, nothing wrong with that.
GReat idea moving the rears to the front
I have a new 2023 Model Y performance and was wondering if instead of keeping the tires offset would the 275 all the way around be a good option because i travel A lot and this would make things easier for tire rotation
I'm thinking the same thing, and a better tire replacement option when the time comes.
You can definitely run a square 275/35/21. However, personally preference for me is that I do not like the stretched look on a 10.5" rear rims.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic I’m running 275/35/21 all the way around with the front rim used on all axels 21’ x 9.5 and it rides great and gives the rims added protection if you happen to hit a potholes you’re not able to avoid.
@@qroadrunner1996 It's not a bad setup at all! Great move.
Thanks for the video! All the benefits you mentioned and perhaps not curbing your wheels as easily
I'd like to admit it Jay, I've already curbed the rim...but the tire took the blunt of the damages.
Great video,
I got MYLR (255/40/20) 2 months.
It’s too crazy bump not smooth driving.
so any suggest for my YLR ?
Thanks
First thing, see how wide your OEM rims are and the their current offset. If they are at least a 9" rim, step to to a 265/40/20 or even a 275/40/20. Your ride quality will drastically improve.
The ride is rough even on the 19" Geminis on the long range model. I'm running 255/45/19s and I have the UP Luxury Suspension kit, still a rough ride.
Changing out the OEM shocks and springs provide the best option.
Nice update on the tire configuration sizing! What shop did you buy your tires from and did they install them for you?
I was lucky and found a local tire seller who had a pair of Michelins for me to use. They referred me to another tire installation shop.
Noting this set up when time comes to replace my tires.
Give it a shot!
Any issues long term with that 275 in the front? I was thinking of just buying 275-35-21 and putting it on the front and matching the rears so I could rotate them as needed.
It's been close to 7K miles and no issues to report at all. If you do decide to spend some money for a better ride, I would definitely go with a square 9.5" rim set up but run 275/40/21 instead. This will give you a much less harsh ride.
@ooogen4366 Thats exactly what I'm considering on my 2924 MYP. Have you tried this ? 275/35/21 tires on all four corners using the MYP OEM 21 uberturbine 9.5 front rims as well as on the 10.5 rear rims. Really curious how it would look. Seems like the advantage being able to rotate them and getting a softer ride from the fronts would be a great setup. I'm surprised I haven't see much out there about running this setup.
What would you recommend for model x?
Thank you for this video it helps specially for us in NYC. Have you done an efficiency comparison? What is the range sacrifice we would give up with this set up? thank you!
Jose, over the last 7K miles, I have an average of 302wh which is not too bad considering the changes.
I have Tesla model y 2021 and have the pzero 275/35/21 . After I changed the tire I felt the car bumps and less smooth ride is very annoying . What other things could I do to have a smoother ride ?
And by how much percentage would you say the ride comfort increased after the switch of tire sizes ? Thank you
First off, changing the tire size only offers a marginal difference. It's enough that you can FEEL, but not earth shattering. To soften up the ride, you can change out the springs, shocks, or both at the same time. There are many vendors out there who sell "comfort" set ups that make a substantial difference in ride quality.
Hi Te Meg!
Here’s a question from one of your MYP subscribers from Sweden!
What is the complete name of the tire you did install? And after a few months of driving, are you still pleased? And have you noticed any decrease in range? Great video man!
Hey there from Sweden! Thanks for watching and the support. The tires I installed is the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. The difference in ride was immediate and after 6K miles, I have no regrets. Range wise, I may have lost 3-5% which isn't bad at all.
Hi and I assume that when you moved the rear tires to the front, you took those tires off the 10.5" rear wheels and installed them on the 9.5" front wheels, correct?
That is correct!
Great job. Is thier any rubbing. And what brand did you use please sir.
No rubbing at all, in fact, fitment is point on! I stayed true to the Michelins.
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hey peter where did you buy the 295 tires? i looked on america's tires and they don't offer the 295 tires for the performance y. they recommend sticking to 275/295
Sounds to me that you're in the US. I would take a look on eBay or your local FB marketplace. That is where I found mine. I was lucky and found a pair which were used with over 80% treat left for a great price.
This is so helpful. I just replaced the rear tires at Discount Tire for the equivalent for what was there. But sounds like if I move those up, and get Michelin 295/35/21 for the rear, then I didn't just waste money 😊 Which Michelin do you recommend? PILOT SPORT 4 SUV 295 /35 R21? Or different?
Is this still the biggest change you've found to impact the harsh ride on the MYP?
Brenden, pick up a set of the Pilot Sport 4. Those will suit your needs perfectly fine. If you a night/day difference in ride comfort, I would highly advise to downsize to a 20" rim and run 275/40/20 on a 9 or 9.5" rim. Otherwise, the 275/295 will provide some relief from the pure harshness of the OEM tires.
Brenden, I guess you can try the 295 /35 R21 from Continental DSW 06 plus, these are cheaper than michelins, good warranty for 50k miles, better or comparable road noise and comfort compared to michelins.
@@kvk1947 Great suggestions. Many people have run the DSW tires with good success.
This is the set up I am going for, my only question is do you notice any rubbing with inner fender lining or suspension components?
No rub with the fender liner or suspension components at all.
Get adjustable damper would fix a lot along with wider tires and sidewall.
Yes, adjustable damper would alleviate some of the harshness.
I think its a great option because you'll have the Same OEM look and feel, but will have better grip. My question is that the extra width is the correct size for the rims yes?
The size increase will 100% work on the OEM sized rims. In fact, a few rim/tire sites I reviewed flagged those sizes to work very well on a 9" & 10.5" rim.
I noticed that the rears were 4s which is summer performance tires vs the front allseason correct? Will that effect the performance?
@@aspired1049 great eye! Being that one is a summer and the other an A/S tire, performance difference will be minute for a daily driver. Now if you're a professional driver who is trying to extract the most from your tires, then the difference will be drastic.
Not sure what to do with the 255’s but maybe someone at Discount Tires will give me something for the set.
My 21 inch 2023 MYP tires do not look like yours (stretched look and not protecting rim)? I have Michelin all season. Did something change with Michelin tires or where your tires summer perf tires? Also my tires ride quiet and smooth.
The Michelin that came on MYP were the A/S. Is it possible for you to share a photo? I'd like to see the tire and know how a 275/35/21 is not stretched on a 10.5" rim.
thanks for the advise. Question. Mr rear tires are done but my front still have a good act of tread. Is it ok to change out my rear to 295 and in about 9 months change the front to 275's. or do I have to change all 4 at once. Thanks
If you keep your front tires, then you're looking at running 255/35/21 & 295/35/21 on a dual motor Model Y. While the MYP does not have a "drive axle" I still would not recommend that much of a difference in tire size.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic thank you. maybe I can get the 275's and when the front wear off more the tires to the front rims and get 295 placed on the rear rims. is that something that they may do?
@@gerardsalvosa5213 Yes, that's something you could do. Just keep in mind though, you'll end up spending twice for the mount and balance.
Would the wider tires help prevent curb rash or it makes no difference when it comes to that?
Yes it dose
Great question....I closely examined the OEM setup to the new setup and yes, because I have running wider tires, you do have slightly more rim protection.
I have the long range, I think it is 20” rims, what do you recommend tire sizing?
I would suggest that you run 275/40/20s. Depending on the rims you have, you might have to run a 5mm spacers.
Will this set up also help with blowouts? That's my main concern. I ordered the MYP and kinda having regrets about the tire situation
It might help out because you have slightly better rim protection. The best way though, is to downsize to 20" rims.
I would like to thank you for this great video. After I have read the entire 249 comments (including all the replies) I would like to ask the following questions pls:
1- As a bottom line, what tire/rim sizes would you recommend (width, profile and diameter) for a TOP-COMFORT ride (a ride that is less bumpy and more flexible as much as possible). Note: I am about to buy a Model Y but I haven’t decided whether it’s going to be LR or MYP. Comfy ride is my top priority, though I like the power of MYP.
2- Have you heard any news recently about whether Tesla is going to enhance the suspension of Model Y in 2023 model?
3- I prefer the steering wheel to be very soft (that I can turn it with 1 finger) like a steering wheel of a Lexus for example, so does a wider tire make the steering wheel harder or softer?
4- I watched some videos saying that a MY that is made in Berlin would have a better suspension that a one that is made in Shanghai, any idea whether this’s really true?
Hello there any thanks for asking your questions. Here are my inputs:
1- best tire & rim combination for TOP- COMFORT would be a set of 19" rims mated to 265/45/19's. DO NOT get runflats as they are a very hard compound tire.
2- I heard that Tesla created a softer suspension setup for 2023 MY. I have yet to ride in a 2023 nor do I know if the "comfort suspension" really exist.
3- Running wider tires will make the turning on your steering wheel more difficult.
4- Being US based, I was not aware that Berlin made MYs. I'm sorry that I could not answer that.
If you are seeking a more comfortable ride, run the tire setup I recommended. On top of that, change the entire front/rear springs/shocks out with a custom set of coilovers that have a "comfort" spring rate.
Which I had seen this a week ago. I just replaced the rear tire 3 days ago on my 2019 Tesla Model 3 performance. What would you recommend for a more comfortable ride on my Model 3. Currently I’m running Michelin 235/35R20 92Y front and back. Thanks much!!
TackleFram, your M3P comes with 20x8.5" rims. Running a 235/35 on those rims is very common as it is for several other manufactures. You could step up to a 245/35/20 which would give slightly better comfort and looks. If you're a risk taker, step up to a 255/35/20 for even more sidewall and ride comfort. The later size though, is the MAX you could safely run without rubbing on the front knuckles.
Hi Peter, thanks for sharing this upgrade ! I^m waiting for my MYP from Giga Berlin....can you tell something about the precision / accuracy of the speedometer ? thx and regards from switzerland
Hello to Switzerland! The difference between the setup is 1mph. If the old setup states 60, the new setup will actually be going 61mph.
Is there a way to re-calibrate the Speedo? I heard you can with raised Jeeps that get the huge tires. Not sure about Tesla though.
@@JazJonFL I researched and there is not a way to re-calibrate the speedometer.
Can you get these tires in all season or winter/snow tires? I’m in NY and worried about driving in the snow… was thinking about getting a set of 19s from Tsport with all season tires and swap them out for the fall and winter… what do you think?
If you currently have the Uberturbine wheels, I would not run them in the winter months. As you mentioned, pick up a set of 19" with A/S or Snow tires and call it good. There are plenty of sizes that will work properly with the 19" rims.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic yea I think I’m gonna go that route… my wife is going to take it to work.. don’t want the car skidding on the road… take delivery in 2 days can’t wait… also did you do PPF??
@@RosePigCooking 19s" would be a great choice in NY. I'm excited for you. Please post when you receive it and your initial impressions. As far as PPF goes, I would HIGHLY recommend it. The front end of the Model Y is very soft and easily damaged from rock debris. It's costly though.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic yea I got quoted at like 2000 for the front to get PPF
@@RosePigCooking not sure where you're from, but that's about the going rate here in SoCal. Even with a "hook-up" from a friend, it's $1700.
Does this cause any damage to the driveline? Changing the ratios of the front and back?
Not at all John. As you're aware, there is no "drivetrain" on Teslas. They use dual, single geared motors which function nothing like ICE vehicles.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic Perfect, thank you. Picking up our first tesla today and want to go this route. I know there’s no transfer case/drive shaft connecting the front and back, but wasn’t sure if there was programming that basically acting the same way.
@@realjredecop I hope you did the pick-up option. Enjoy your Tesla!
what would you say if it all 4 tires are 20 in? do you think that would improve ride quality and make it smoother? im looking at getting a 2022 Model Y Perf, and some people said that i should get 20 in for all 4 tires bc that will improve ride, noise, and bumpiness. Have you heard that tire set up before? Thank you for your help with this..
Many owners have downsized to the 20" rims with good success. If I could do it again, I would run a 265/40/20 tires on a square rim set up. This would provide better range, slightly softer ride quality, and the ability to rotate my tires.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic that sounds awesome. I want the 21s for the summer and look and I was looking to get the 20' for all the other weather. but getting more range with the 20 is what im really looking for. Thanks for that.
@@Channel323 good luck with your setup.
Did Anyone who has done this substitution of the tires 275/34 295/35 got rims scratches due to the substitution process? The workshop told me that they cannot guarantee absences of scratches if the tires are too tight… I was wondering what people has experienced on this?
Carmelo, any reputable tire shop should be able to install those tire sizes for you without scratches. If they cannot, try another shop.
Can I follow the same recommendations for model y long range that are running on 20in rim? Thanks
Roy, if you're running 20's, the recommended tire size would be different. Correct me if I am wrong, but on 20's, OEM tires are 255/40/20 on a 9.5" rim. I would personally run a square 275/40/20 setup which would yield a MUCH better ride quality and offer more rim protection.
Thank you for the video! Can I put 275/35/21 on front and 315/30/21 on the back? thanks
275/35/21 will work fine for the fronts. However, 315/30/21 might be a bit too wide on that 10" rim and the rolling circumference is too far from OEM. You might want to try 305.
And why are we forced
To pay extra for tesla foam tires. Do they make much of a difference with road noise? Im a ups driver and i see foam tires often when i drop them off at discount tire
From what I heard, it makes a "slight" difference. I though, would not pay extra for them.
Peter: I have Model Y Long Range with the 20 inch stock rims and tires. My ride is rough as well. What size tires would you suggest that would improve ride while using the stock rims?
Hello Howard, if you're running the OEM 20 x 8.5" rims, I would run the following set 265/40/20. This size would be a good compromise between comfort and performance.
Peter: I also have a Model Y RWD 2024 - my ride is also rough, feeling every bump in the road! I’ve contemplated looking at the suspension but then came across your video.
I have the 20” induction alloys. My tyres are OEM (Michelin) 255/40/20 - and they looked very stretched!
What do you recommend for the most comfortable ride on both front and rear?
What overssize would you recommend for the 19" OEM Gemini wheels?
Honestly Tom, I would run the OEM 255/45/19. Those fit the MY well and provide decent comfort. If you truly want to change, look at 265/45/19. That's slightly taller with more comfort, but it's completely unnecessary.
Thanks for the help!!
Prices on the stock tires are outrageous! I just spent 1040 dollars for 2 back tires on my y performance at 22,000 miles. Ouch 😣 I can’t imagine what the wider tires cost. 19 inch Gemini wheels for me with 255 45’s is a good compromise.
No, you're correct...the price for rubber is ridiculous. Like everything, they have increased in price by 15-20%.
What did you do with the old tires? Does the tire shop buy them and give you credit?
Well it does look nice but anything taking away from range I’ll pass, I can. Deal with the bumps etc., they not that bad..well at least not for me Ty for the video
In all honesty, it might be a wash in terms of range difference. Thank you for watching and your input.
What brand is the sun shade you have installed?
It was a no-name brand I bought off of Amazon.
Maybe a stupid question, but does this affect the warranty? Tesla support said that if it is not a tire they recommend then it can affect the warranty if I would have an accident. It sounds very weird to me. Have any of you heard about this?
It's interesting that you ask. I was reading today and saw a pos that a Tesla location refused to check a customer's Tesla because they did not have Tesla approved tires. In a court of law, there is not way Tesla would win this kind of case so NO, changing tires would not impact your warranty.
This is very a useful information! Thank you !
What would you recommend for Model Y LR 19inch ? Front and rear. I still need it to be smoother and quieter.
I am glad that you found this video useful. Your LR 19 should have 255/45/19 on a 9.5" rim. Are you finding this setup rough? Perhaps you could step up to a 275/45/19. You gain slightly more "air/sidewall" and the tire will fit much better on the 9.5" rim.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic Thank you !
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic will 265/50/19 Ok? Or too wide?
@@arsabiuro8772 what size rims do you have? Are they the 8.5" wide rims? If so, 265 is fine on them.
Hello Peter, thank you for the video. I am attempting the same setup with Michelin Pilot A/S tires but am only able to find V & Y ratings for the rears and W rating for the fronts. I do not ever plan to go anywhere near the max speed of V. Would that be a concern to mix?
Hello Tim, thanks for watching and the question. All of the speed ratings you mentioned, will not be an issue UNLESS you plan to race your car over 149mph. That figure is the limit of the slowest one, the V. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry at all.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic I appreciate your time. Thank you very much and keep up the great content.
@@timpham611 Enjoy your Tesla and thank you for the support!
I used to own 2012 Toyota Sienna van. It is so smooth and very much quiet. on freeway. Even tesla model-3 basic trim 19in tires are so noisy on freeway. It is only better at 25mph smooth roads drive through or in parking lot. Tesla is heavy car. suspension is very harsh and rough. it is just like a low rider mod car.
Tesla generally uses lower profile and hard treadware tires (IE 500+ rating) so the ride is not comfortable at all.
First, why wouldn’t you recommend using 295 on all fours aside from the obvious decrease in range.
Second how about 285 in the front and 295 in the back? I love the power on my MYP but wants a less harsh ride especially when my wife is with me. Don’t know much about tires. I hope you can enlighten me. Thanks in advance.
I would not recommend 295 all around because the front rims (8.5") are too narrow to safely accommodate that size. In addition, 295 up front would rub on the inner liner or have issues with the hub.
if you wanted to run a 285, that would be pushing the boundaries. It might work but again, how safely would it fit on a 8.5" rim and clear the inner liner.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic how about a 265/40 In the front and 285/40 in the rear?
Wouldnt that give me more height on the tires to absorb the rough roads? Have you tried that or Do you know anybody who had done that?
@@alver95 That setup would ride better than the 255/275. The only drawback, you'll have more sidewall flex when pushing the Y harder in turns.
Thanks so much for the insights. Appreciate it!
@@alver95 you got it!
Would be keen to know the speedo accuracy now. The back has increased by 1.7% and front by 2.1%. Presumably Tesla use front axle or back axle for speedo, can’t imagine they’d use both and average result.
If Tesla uses the front for speedometer, then you would be going 1.3mph faster @ 60mph. If the rear is used, then you would be going 1 mph faster @ 60mph.
Are there any warranty concerns since the ratio from front to back is changed? I know there isn’t a transfer case are anything in between, but is the software acting in the similar way?
@@realjredecop I doubt there would be. Never once have I heard of an dealerships voiding a warranty because the owners switched to a tire size that was 1.7% larger in diameter.
I think original Tesla set up looks better but protection of rim and better ride may be worth it on my tire my first tire change.
Give it a shot.
Thanks for the video. My Yp delivery date is August 3. I hope they give me Michelins, if not I might need to buy all four tires. What ever they give me I’ll see how the default ride is first here in south Florida.
JazJon, the Michelins which came with my YP are the all-seasons. I would rate them a "mid-level" tire. You can definitely get better ones.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic is Michelin the one that has summer tires with added foam layer for added noise reduction and comfort? What are the best soft riding tires for the Yp Ubertines?
@@JazJonFL Yes, the OEM Michelins do have the foam inside to help with road noise. If I were to purchase four brand new tires, I would pick up the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. They are excellent tires.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic Would the comfort increase with PS4S vs the PSAS4? and if so, how significant would it be? i saw somewhere online say it was like only a 5% increase but you sacrifice wet and snow performance.
@@JazJonFL I believe the comfort increase would be insignificant. The real world difference though, would be performance. You're going from a 500TW tire, down to a 300TW.
Hello, just picked up Model Y Long Range with 20"x 9.5"wheels. what tire set up would you recommend for softer ride quality? I see some threads below that for 20" wheels, you recommended 8.5" width. Does this mean I need to get new wheels too? Thanks in advance
Hey Sang, with your 20x9.5" rims, you do not need to get new tires. If I had 20" rims, I would run a square setup of 275/40/20. This would be a great compromise between looks, function, and range.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic Thank you so much for your response. Would any tire with that size specification work? or do you recommend any specific brands/ type of tires?
@@sjlee48 I would stick to a trusted brand and not deviate from it. What also helps is making sure you're not purchasing a "hard" tire with a treadwear of 500+. Those tend to ride rough due to the hard compound of the tire.
@@TheAutomotiveFanatic Will do. Thanks again for your help. I'll keep you posted when I try new tires. Cheers!