My Honest Thoughts on Gray Zone Warfare...
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2024
- Gray Zone Warfare season is in FULL SWING and I wanted to give you guys my honest thoughts on Gray Zone Warfare leading up to their Early Access launch...
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What are your guys thoughts on the Creator Playtest for Gray Zone Warfare? Let me know down below!
Eh. I'm watching it but not holding my breath.
Very good review. For me the extraction issue and just POI areas is a problem. Most likely will not change so will just stick to tarkov.
Not being able to fly helicopters or vehicles yourself is honestly a huge L.
Not interested if they favour Streamers...that is not how you create hipe for a game in 2024...its how you kill it.
I think its pretty underwhelming, you're ideas are honestly pretty good, a frontline campaign mode would be pretty cool and play well into the lore of the gameplay. If they were to incorporate a cap and hold system similar to something like Planetside or ARMA King of the hill would be pretty interesting. But I think they would have to rethink the entire gameplay loop. But if they could intergrade it into the current loop, that would be pretty dope.
I don’t see how people can deny it’s not a tarkov clone when they both have guns
😂😂😂
The SAME kind of guns too, ARs and AKs it's uncanny.
Next you're gonna tell me their both set on the same planet smh.
the eating from cans is eerily similar as well
@@dronus the rat camping should make eft file a lawsuit😂
Well, the fact that they each have guns simply means that they both are Doom clones
Bigfry: "The map is 42 square kilometers, that is mostly empty, thus the walking is absolute misery"
Arma 3 players: "Oh, fuck yes"
42 square kilometers of absolutely nothing? Sweet, sweet home.
I'm not even going to lie whenever I would play antistazi on Arma I'll just spend an hour or two walking to an objective I just find that fun. Can't wait for Arma 4 tho i'll probably go in for 6 years as a ranger and come out and they'll still be making it.
I play DayyZ soooo....
@@boxedh ayo good luck my guy
One of Arma 3’s most popular mods is autorun lol
*using helicopter as realible transportation but gets killed by some camper*
Devs: "just walk then" 🗿
It's why I, and many others, wont be buying this game. The devs are pieces of shit.
devs: just walk
me: put a minigun on the chopper
"Do you guys not have legs"
That was a terrible response by that dev. I HOPE that was just an off the cuff reply and that they realize it IS a problem. 😬
That’s the same suggestion I had, change little birds to Blackhawk’s with AI manning the miniguns, and if people are within a certain distance the AI just laser beams them, like the BTR in Tarkov when it aggros. Or just have one Little Bird escorting the player Little Bird that kills any enemy nearby.
I think there are 2 solutions to the infil camping:
1: Allow people to shoot their guns and be shot at when the landing animation starts which would make it more of an actual fight
2: If there are enemies within a certain range of the LZ have the pilot say "hey looks like we got some hostiles around the LZ, i'll bring you to the next one" and the helicopter flies to the nearest other LZ, if there are enemies at that LZ fly to the next and so on until an empty LZ is found. From the looks of it LZs are never THAT far away to the point where the closest one is another 20 minute walk away so I feel this is the best solution even if the most complex
Love idea 2, sounds like a really good idea genuinely. Devs should consider it.
Artillery strike to soften up the LZ might deter campers.
@@WoobooRidesAgain No
why not have a second escort littlebird with rockets and miniguns get launched with you if there are enemies around the LZs
Good thinking on the "LZ too hot, proceed to the next one" idea. But you should be allowed to shoot out of the heli regardless... That's the only way you could defend yourself while you're in the air.
Loot is something Tarkov doesn't get enough credit for, the sheer variety, quantity and utility of it is unmatched and not something easily replicated as it's underpinned and given value beyond the raw rouble amount by multiple interconnected systems. Every gym bag, stash and crate becomes a little skinner box that leads to the heart pounding moments when you find some rare item that you then need to haul to the extract.
Thank you you took the words out my mouth, looting in Tarkov is a very big reason why I play the not the only but a big one
I play it for unheard edition
I think there is too many different items to loot in tarkov. Absolute misery as a new player
@@znotzed5960 All of it has utility at some point in the game for quests, crafts or trades and there are so many rare items that give you those heart pounding - i need to get this to extract - moments.
@@znotzed5960
It is a spread sheet to keep track of, and after extraction you basically playing Tetris in your stash, organising it.
Genuinely interested in Gray Zone Warfare and what it has to offer, Hearing about the no aiming/shooting on the helicopter is a HUGE issue. the gameplay loop looks good, the gunplay looks great, the map reminds me of squad and HLL's map styles. The game genuinely looks like it has a great foundation, just some issues that need to be worked out.
Question how does it remind you of Hell let loose style maps? I like the concept of the game but its an extraction shooter tarkov esque, bare liked the idea of tarkov. the only survival mechanics i liked was mgs 3 because it was very bare bones and easy to manage.
@@jmgonzales7701 from the dens jungles, only tree's or certain objects, sometimes a small town/village. The UI when you press M pulls up a giant square map like HLL and Squad. i personally think if they stick to their guns and listen to criticism they'll have a true banger on their hands.
Just incase you haven't seen you can now shoot from the helicopter.
@@Garflog643 They gave the operators ARMS?!?!?! Dude this is unacceptable.
My biggest worry is it dropping too early. Development can be slow, and I have grown tired of buying early access games but getting burnt before they get in a more finished state. I could just not buy games so early but that's tough Lol
That’s what I was saying earlier. The foundation looks good, now they need to refine and add content. I hope they take a year to add stuff and then release early access to balance.
It was slated for release in march 2024
It's hard because people become pros at it overnight before early access even ends!
Jesus…yea telling testers “well you can just walk” is like a suicide way of responding to that request. They should atleast let you land in a bunch of areas OR any area the helicopter CAN land. Because I see this game stopping right here at this issue. Grifters will take over in a heart beat and players who want to play will jump ship after being killed on the helicopter left and right or being forced to walk for 20 minutes to get to the LZ.
Any area sounds pretty cool actually. Imagine... Your looting a building with the boys, and you hear a helio swoop in down the road. It would be badass to have those dynamic engagements, where you could clear an area, but a team of players are coming by for a sick fire fight and ruin that peace. That idea might need some tweaking and balancing, but pretty cool idea none-the-less.
Or could give you the ability to shoot out the helicopter lol at least as you begin to approach an LZ, maybe the Helo will do a fly by and let you clear the LZ
@@A_Dog_You_Know exactly! A helicopter landing would be a great random mechanic that could be added and it would also keep the duck heads from camping LZ’s! I don’t know why not only it wasn’t already implemented but their response was “you can always walk” what a shit response to this blaring problem. Being able to shoot out the helo is great but think about where that puts the arriving players, up in the sky unable to move attached to a helo when the bad guys could be anywhere down there. It’s a bandaid to this problem in my opinion. That’s in response to the second comment.
@@Danny___Riot Another suggestion people have thrown around is for the pilot to callout hostiles at the LZ and deploy a smokescreen as they're about to land so the players on the chopper get a chance to find cover and engage.
@@OrionDawn15 that’s a great recommendation! They could do that and maybe like an LZ threat level like if a bunch of players have died at the LZ it could be like a red threat level and that gives you a chance to prepare specifically for campers.
Its a really solid alpha gameplay they showing. On discord u can see that the devs really care for the game and the feedback they get. They look in the game themselves, seek out them bugs and fix them. Also they show what they doing every week. I think this game will be massive in the future
My god, dead internet theory confirmed. BOTS EVERYWHERE
They are getting fucking ridiculous.
dead internet theory?
@@NIGHTCRAWL3this wild theory that 75% of the things you see online are generated by AI, it was a crackpot theory when it got started a few years back but the rise of generative AI and bot accounts in comment sections make it sound more and more plausible.
It’s the Automatons again. Trying to destroy freedom and democracy.
@@NIGHTCRAWL3 theres a good documentary on it, its on youtube as well, pretty fucked the way its explained in it.
That response to the LZ camping made me laugh. They basically said "You could just.. not play" Like come on Lol
I mean true, but how is it any worse than extract campers in EFT? Lol
@@SchmickSchmack129 you have a fighting chance in EFT. In GZW you cannot fire from the heli
As a dev you should look for things to ADD to get an edge over competition, their response was just utterly abysmal, it looks like a quick money grab attitude, the most effort goes into good looking environments...
@@SchmickSchmack129because you are animation locked…?
Right I’ll just play another game… easy fix
Improve the loot, improve AI and improve performance and I will be checking this out when it hits EA.
The camping situations need to be handled, especially around extractions/infills. If you camp an LZ or similar for too long AI patrols Snipers and MG's should spawn in and start to track you, or something like that. It's not rocket science to figure out. I'm not saying that NO buildings or POI shouldn't be able to be camped, but doing it in certain places CAN have severe in game consequences. And the devs need to find a balance around it, that the players find enjoyable/reasonable.
I was thinking the helicopter should detect and start circling the LZ and attacking enemies in a certain radius of the LZ's or something, with players also able to shoot as well, it should provide fun spectacle and gameplay for (hopefully both sides of) players.
Artillery strike just before the chopper lands.
Just have one support AI sniper on the heli that has god tier aim, a semi auto sniper, and is unkillable. I should add that he only fires in the LZ area. And yeah why the fuck wouldn't you be able to shoot from the hell too
Helo needs some side mounted miniguns to strafe hot LZ's and give the riders the option to divert to other LZ's. Make it so that camping an LZ means "hey guys lets bug out there's a helo coming in we don't want to die" vs "easy kills".
If the devs had just said "land a bit further out where it's clear and walk" that's perfectly reasonable if there's lots of possible LZ options...
Disagree. Hard disagree.
What should happen is that the game should inform you when you are trying to call for infil, that the area is contested. That simple. And in addition, you should be able to shoot your guns while on the chopper, should you choose to land in a potentially contested area.
Or you can choose another point to infil and walk.
Their tone deaf ignorant response to the LZ camping issue totally killed this for me. Sounds like a developer that doesn't care and I am afraid this will be another survival game about random useless loot but "muh graphics".
I mean if they already give such a reply to their own chosen play testers, then imagine their attitude towards their normal customers.
This game is DOA if this playtest hardly differs from the early access release.
To fix the LZ problem; I would not mind a Hot LZ landing, but maybe add 2 or 3 more Helicopters and have an elite AI security team (akin to guards for bosses they may put into the game) that land with you and secure the area before you land. I think that would be more immersive than just making you invincible or something of that nature. It still gives opportunity for an ambush at high risk. If that wont work, I have a few more suggestions:
-Smoke the area
-Team Leader can tell the pilot to cancel the drop off
-The pilot lets the players know enemies are nearby
-Players cannot fire their guns in that area (kinda lame tbh)
I like the idea of an ambush and dropping into a hot LZ, but getting camped in a video game just is flat out not fun. There is no reaction, just waiting to spawn in and die. This needs a rework for sure, I agree their response is kinda bs. Other than that and some loot problems BigFry mentioned, I have to say this game looks like a good time with the boys.
"Wait until the scum and villainy get into this game"
You clearly didn't see Stankrats video
People subbing to that bozo blows my mind...
Can you link?
I imagine the map at night during a rain/thunderstorm with night vision, all the crickets and frogs, that would be sick.
Then the game proceeds to reduce your FPS to a single digit.
Yikes, how can something as obvious as players invading LZ sites and just shooting players easily as they unload not be a thing that was brought up in design meetings?
Who thought sitting on the side of a helicopter with a gun in your hand but not be able to use it was a good idea? Just bad game over all.
@@alexc9434its PRE alpha get your sht tgh 😂
@@feajar4373Not all of us just think "It's early they will fix it" nothing by this team has been proven yet.
@@Tacti_cat that's why you either trust that they change it (early access purchase if it's available, which it isn't even yet), or wait until it reaches 1.0.
Quite logical, isn't it?
If anything I have to give the devs props for not considering it in the first place, as it pretty much means that they don't consider people to be idiots that'd camp LZs - they definitely gotta change it tho because people are as we all know.
@@alexc9434 Because letting players fly to an LZ flying across the map while raining down bullets would be better? lol
I'm just messin but I think they should allow you to free fire once you're close enough to the LZ you're arriving at.
comparing other streamers to coworkers vs the general public is so accurate
I disagree with you about not having gear fear because if you have ever played dayz then you know that being able to go back to your body won’t be a problem. It actually puts a lot of pressure on the winning team to get the gear and get out. It works for countless games like rust dayz and ark
Yes. DayZ is a much bigger map, and also doesn’t have LZs to quick transport you
@@BigfryTV how fast can you get back to your stuff. You said 5 minutes but even that is long enough to grab someone’s stuff and be gone. In dayz you can run halfway across the map in 10 minutes
@@ArtXV- Btw, 10 minutes isn't really true. You run about a KM every 2 minutes in Dayz. The map is 12x12. 10 minutes is close to half, but not half. Sorry to be that nerd.
:)
Games that have open space like this need to do what Helldivers does and have some kind of system in place that will spawn patrols that cross your path in variable intervals based on what you're doing. Even if they don't go the whole helldivers route and have it so they spawn at all times and intercept you even when you're already fighting, just limiting it to the open world not near objectives and POIs will at least keep people who are walking around from just not doing anything.
That response to the helicopter insert is crazy lol
Looks like a billion things I played back when Arma and squad was popular.
they should deff have places to loot in between POI locations... like little towns or farm shacks... vehicles... add some AI patrol in with it all ??? anything!!!
Absolutely this is a must have
It's in alpha. No need to melt so quickly over it.
Relax folks. It's a massive map. It will take time to fill it up with POI's.
Helicopter crashes to loot would be cool
I give it 6 months post launch that servers start shutting down...this is a super niche genre and Tarkov seems to have what it takes to maintain its player base
True atleast for now, i dont really see why someone who already plays tarkov would play this
Trashkov has nothing going for it other than pretty 1st person animations lol.
@@johnhighway7399 I agree its got nothing going for it other than better 1st person animations, better 3rd person animations, way more loot, more guns, better gunplay, better sounds, variety of maps and buildings, An actual progression system, variety of bosses, better movement, and actually has a story and lore for the world they built. But yeah this asset flip has way more going for it.
@@weets2122and gray zone is automatically better if they handle cheaters lol
@@MykaV2cheaters suck for sure, but you'll stop playing this game after a month of walking to the same LZ, shooting the same AI bot standing in the middle of the road doing nothing, and then walk around for 15 minutes.
Finally, a content creator that's not huffing the copium. Tarkov had to crawl so other games could walk. But its not the same anyway.
Not the same as Tarkov? Say less
Yeah but I think a lot of people think Tarkov was crawling on all fours from the beginning when really it was rolling around on the ground for a little bit and slowly got each foot to start working lol.
Gray zone feels like they've at least got 2 legs, now they just need the arms to start properly crawling.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 hence the point of my crawling metaphor, of that's the right word.
almost all of Tarkov is basically just a rip and remix of stalker from back in the day
I like the walking aspect. It gives realism effect. In a desolate warzone this is what it would be like. Having to outsmart other players and patrils and having to walk that extra mile to go around to get advantage. I hate rush game play
There are a lot of bumps in this game. Some stuff that I don’t think they thought of themselves, but I’m glad they’re receptive to feedback atleast. Now it’s just gonna be a matter of them implementing it and making it more beneficial for the player.
Thanks for the video bro!
Totally agree on fleshing out factions / traders and the potential resource areas (farms, mines, factories, markets etc) where pvp is more required/desired away from main quest areas that are more pve oriented. Potentially best of both worlds for everyone.
Also need to make sure there is a heavy penalty for teamkilling your own faction. It’s not the same story/lore of tarkov where it’s every man for himself to get out.
I said it on moi's video and I'll sa it again: the most important thing in an fps is the handling of the gun, weapon sounds and how beefy they are, and how your character interact with it. I've seen a video somewhere, I think from Jarek the gaming dragon, saying that how a weapon handle, sounds and how your character interact with is essential for fps games. As the weapon is an extension of you. From drewski's video, the guns lack that unique "kick"
This is the biggest issue with the game right now IMO. It needs a full animation and sound overhaul before it's ready for release, if the gunplay still looks and sounds like this when it drops, I will definitely not buy it, and I doubt I'm alone in that opinion.
That’s one of major reasons CoD was succesful for years despite being trash recently. Their weapon animations and the way characters interact with it is top notch.
the idea of capturing points for faction discounts and unlocking different types of gear is a cool idea
"well you can walk instead" Well I can just not buy your walking simulator 😂
I’ve heard the developers say they won’t add any vehicles either.
@decade_of_dust8810 that's good it's not a vehicle game. They do need to address that issue tho. Maybe they could add a small safe zone radius upon landing. Thus way u can atleast plan an attack on the assholes landing zone camping
@@ftb3817 maybe they could add options like canceling a landing mid flight, smoking the area, and circling the area before landing if you want.
@@ftb3817 players should be able to pilot the helicopters imo and you should be able to shoot out of it that way you could clear the LZ but the players on the ground could also shoot at the pilot and try to hold the LZ
@@ftb3817 Cope, vehicles are a huge part of modern warfare and the only reason they're leaving them out is because they're probably not skilled enough to implement them.
So they won't do anything about LZ camping? This game is therefore DOA 🙈 Still no talk about the elephant in the room ... Hackers
I havent come across a single hacker. Nor have i heard of it. And devs have been very vocal about combating hacking and having some sort of anti cheat. Not sure what youre talking about?
Been waiting days for your review. Always know you can give it to us straight. Thanks BigFry!
Great video Fry as always! That issue with the camping at LZs is crazy and I hope they can sort it out before Early Access launches. I also am not a fan of the FOV when aiming down sights, though I have seen other UA-camrs having their sights closer for them. So, I am hoping it's just a setting that can be adjusted.
Here's to hoping that it is 30 days before we all get to play it. Though, I think it could be closer to June before they launch.
I could definitely see this game going the way of The Cycle
the cycle was ruined by cheaters this i think is just boring
@@blee04524 no no... it will definitely be ruined by cheaters, anything that gains even a sniff of popularity gets ruined by cheaters and games like tarkov, the cycle and this are what cheaters ruin even more so than almost every other game since there is often so much to lose in game.
@@blee04524it's gonna be both, The game will be boring AND have cheaters in it.
Good concept subpar mechanics and gameplay
Game dev is an incredibly difficult endeavour. They're having a rough launch, but the potential is still there. Fingers crossed they don't waste it.
Thanks for the s/o! Was a pleasure to Squad up the other day! Agree with your thoughts.
It’s kinda just a barebones fps controller over a UE5 forest demo
yeah no.. if that's genuinely what you think this is go do that, you understand nothing about game development lmao
I’ve been saying Breakpoint shoulda added an extraction shooter pvp mode just like this for years.
They have it in Division 2
Thanks for giving a non biased review. I appreciate the transparency. Still can't wait to pick this up!
Bro I am so glad you’re making a game. I’ve been following you for so long and you’ve always had great takes. I hope you can continue to make games and help other studios make games better. We are all here for the betterment of our hobby and the art of video games.
It says a lot about the respect I have for you and your channel Bigfry that when I see a title that reads 'My honest thought on . . .' I feel genuinely interested to click through and watch.
The biggest deal breaker for me though is the tropical environment. It's soooo boring. Just killing third world people in shabby shanty village is really depressing.
They need to have maps set in temperate climates and western towns and cities.
-PVE only mode is needed, in my opinion-
(Nevermind thank you to those who have clarified that there is a PVE option for servers!)
its in the game
@@korbynishydrated3363 oh it is?? Like a pve only mode??
They already said they will have PVE only servers
It will be when EA launches. PvE only servers will be available@@dr.muller3243
@@dr.muller3243 ya there will be pve and pvp servers so you can choose
I really like all of the ideas you had bigfry, especially the idea of the cross faction ran flea market and the idea of factions controlling areas in the same way helldivers 2 does. it feels rewarding and also gives more reasons to play even outside of the missions.
"well, you can walk instead" was kinda funny tho i am ngl
they need to let people fire form the heli or better yet let us drive the damn things
Modern day devs think people have 72 hrs in a day
There is a way to help people being LZ camped that doesn't completely break the system. If an area is being camped out, meaning the game knows people are near the LZ (to a certain radius) the chopper pilot can call out that its a hot landing and then deploy smoke around the helicopter in a 360 degree. Could be shot out about 10 feet in all directions. But it wont tell you its hot until you are close to landing. That way the people landing have some cover and some time to run to physical cover. The campers don't have it easy but also don't get penalized for it.
I'd still be able to memorize exact landing spots and fire into the smoke, or throw grenades.
The most elegant solutions might be to allow firing from the chopper, for the pilot to notify you of hostile presence and give the option to switch LZs, and providing more options for infil and exfil.
It was definitely devil dog that said that you can walk instead of taking the helicopter because that's exactly what he told me and a friend after we were LZ camped. He told us to walk back into town and kill them, they need to have like an AI gunner or something on the chopper with you that if anyone is that close to the LZ he will shoot at them or at least give you the option to dust off and head to a different LZ
I think they need smokes, flares, and mounted guns on the helicopters. Add a blackhawk for bigger groups, add security as some sort of upgrade potentially and they should definitely have rpg's or stingers and maybe even jeeps, dirt bikes, atvs and or buggies. the game looks great but it need a lot more, whether it can ever be 100% balanced or not, shooting off the birds is a great first step, but there is a lot of potential for this infil and exfil feature.
LZ cooldown might help with getting back to your body but that might fuck it up more idk especially for the PVErs
How you kill a Early Alpha Game? Let Only Streamers play it. RIP
Enjoyed the video/review. I definitely feel like this game is more like a first person ghost recon breakpoint rather than Tarkov - it's not even an extraction style shooter like Tarkov. And I also feel you about the inventory style.
Hopefully they'll figure something out with the LZ camping. I don't know what the answer is. It'd be great if they could come up with a dynamic LZ system where you could choose to land somewhere and it'll waypoint the helicopter to the nearest landable location on the map. As a software engineer, that sounds like a hard problem, but nothing is impossible.
One thing I did want to say having seen your video is that I just don't agree that giving content creators early access and letting them be gatekeepers to others getting early access (via codes they can share) is the way to go. I believe that you probably feel it is because you, yourself, are a content creator and you got the early access. A better system, in my opinion, would simply be a limited closed play test with people chosen at random from a sign up list. Some content creators would still likely find themselves in the play test.
I couldn't wait till this vid was out !!! Thanks for all you do fry
i just dont get the hype for this game the animations look so wrong from the 3rd person jank to the 1st person animations that make u nervours that you have a broken wrist and thats why your holding your gun that way plus you add on to that the awfull bullet reg on the AI and the overall braindead AI in general why are so many streamers bigging up this game i dont get it
LVNDMARK and PESTILY have both streamed this game, and I just don't get why. half the time they're snacking because there is so much down time, they don't point out the problems with the game, and their viewers are so hyped for it.
The moment I call out "but the animations are trash" I'm attacked by the viewers.
I can't wait for people to buy this game, and find out that it's a cash grab.
BROTHER you play dayz what are you talking about ? You people play broken games and complain about things like that you're a dork
Cause the new thing is to suck off indie devs. Just cause a few made a couple good games now every indie dev game is gonna be good and if it’s not the excuse will be “well it’s not a triple A team” even though they are going after a triple A vision
@@AOD_AnkGroogercalling it a cash grab is a stretch, if so, they would be taking pre orders, people want a polished, finished game off the bat but the era of EA has crippled that from happening, I'm sure if we waited 3-4 years for a 1.0 before we got a look at it, it's going to be a whole different experience
Its a PRE-ALPHA game. Obviously its gonna have flaws. U have no idea what is the potential. Where tarkov has failed, this game will offer.
Can't wait to play this
I always love your vids, sometimes I don’t always agree with your suggestions, but every one in this video sounded perfect and all equally needed 💯
My suggestion to the LZ and respawn problem are
1. Make multiple LZ location separating 100~200 meters which can be choose in the helo.
2. Ability to shoot from helo.
3. Instead of endless respawn make it limited. Meaning mix of tar (comp) and casual. Let's say there are 4 people in a squad. Now, give them shared 8 or 12 lives making getting killed have some weight.
This game isn't a looter, why are you trying to loot? It's a Mil Sim.
It’s hyped trash. But content creators love it cos they play with their mates and force fun where there is none.
The idea of a black market is something that has been going on in the DayZ modded community for a long time, and it can definitely fit into this game! Forcing players to bring cash to the vendor, along with the exclusive faction based kits and guns that you had mentioned, will make for very rewarding, and sought after PVP that adds another layer to the “High Risk, High Reward”.
These suggestions are honestly so good, I hope they take the hint and actually use this video
the game is unoptimized with mostly negative reviews, so predictable for tactical shooters in 22 century
I said the same thing I think it was slorgs who called it lol
@@cornbreadwithslasa106 almost all the negative reviews are just about performance really
@archemides1517 I've seen many reviews talking about how miserable the walking is and how braindead the ai is. I've even seen reviews criticizing the map itself saying it's repetitive.
@@cornbreadwithslasa106 the ai I can agree with but the other two make no sense. Every game in this category of games has a shit to. Of walking arma, dayz, squad, and tarkov. They all have an extreme amount of walking. The issues with the ai are not that far off from how tarkov use to be when it first released, which is how I’m judging this game and by that standards this game has the same issues tarkov had aswell
It's pretty, pretty boring. They need to put some gameplay in that game.
Go play call of duty nerd.
For real. Everything is monotonous in this game. I don’t understand the hype at all.
I was thinking for the LZ camping something that could help to deter is, 1 allow the player in the heli to fire their weapon, 2 deploy smoke when the helicopter is landing to provide cover and 3 add a friendly faction patrol spawn when an enemy is detected within the radius to the LZ for longer than 120 seconds
That idea of specific faction territories could also rectify the spawn camping issue, if you start a raid within the perimeters of a claimed faction area
Here’s one idea for differentiating factions in a way that doesn’t break balance: #1 has an inside deal with the locals and gets a 5% flat boost to all items when selling to vendors. #2 has prototype 3D printers and can create mags with a 10% higher capacity for all guns. #3 has access to advanced military hardware and offers plates with a 10% higher armor value, reducing damage from plate hits by a small amount and lowering the chances of major bleeds.
None of these are amazing but would give each faction a small flavor difference and make your choice of a faction more meaningful.
Basically spoke about everything I saw in the various streams. The whole being able to run back to your own body def has to go! Body needs to vanish fast enough to allow the victor to loot it and that's it. No ability to get back to your body, a lost needs to be an actual lost!
Well put Fry, as someone whos been playing tac fps since arma 2s launch this game even with the issues youve stressed to us and the devs gets me excited for a game like i havent felt in an extremely long time.
worthy mention of a working faction system is planetside 2. There were good differences between them, and it was extremely fun to take/lose bases and land for hours.
I was already minimum interest because it's just another extraction shooter. But devs that will tell you how dedicated they are to realism and being true to life telling you to just deal with getting killed by campers while you're locked in to a static pose. That's not it. That's completely ignoring an important aspect of what they claimed they were trying to do.
They're indie, i want them to be successful, but the early signs from this are looking like they've got a lot to do if they want to keep the playerbase.
Thanks for making this review! I'm just happy the map looks good. The game I've been playing Squad reuses assets on a lot of it's maps and playing can feel pretty dule sometimes because of those reused assets on a lot of maps.
Maybe they could add a mechanic that lets you stash enemy faction player’s gear in a cache for later pickup by your faction (off screen). The next time you’re back at base, you can access the gear you took. Would make it more tense to gear fear, it gives the other players in the squad a chance to avenge their fallen friend and keep the gear safe, but you’d otherwise be screwed.
A neat way to get around the Chopper LZ Camping would be 1. To allow players to fire their weapons while on the helicopter, and 2. Have the chopper pilot scan the LZ with thermal cameras to ensure it’s clear, and if not he spots any enemy player within a certain radius of the LZ similar to Battlefield with a little HUD icon over his head
I think adding patrols and some contested stashes around the open areas is a good solution, also just some AI idling smoking a cigarette or sitting around
i usually will have different set of friends who will play different factions, so id really appreciate cross faction gameplay so i dont have stick to one group of friends
Excellent video Bigfry. You have explained what this game is (and isn’t) and how it compares to others games better than any one else I have heard. Great job on this video!
This is a thoughtful and insightful review that Grey Zone devs would benefit from watching with open ears
Should add civilians to the houses in the forests or near rice paddies and you can have the choice to kill them and steal loot or maybe, side quest type things. I think that’d be cool to open up the map more
Great vid Fry. You were right on about the release date!
Even with its early access problems, I notice content creators are still playing days after it coming out. There's something here for sure and I hope the devs continue flesh this out at a decent rate.
This game needs more pvp
There is more pvp in dayz
If i cant find pvp in 30 minutes= depression
Before you guys tested it I was already afraid of the LZ camping problem…but in a certain way it is kinda realistic.
My solution are: either allow the player to fly the heli.
Or when you pick a LZ have some people already there to cover the LZ
"devs, just walk"
think there are 2 solutions to the infil camping: 1: Allow people to shoot their guns and be shot at when the landing animation starts which would make it more of an actual fight 2: If there are enemies within a certain range of the LZ have the pilot say "hey looks like we got some hostiles around the LZ, bring you to the next one" and the helicopter flies to the nearest other LZ, if there are enemies at that LZ fly to the next and so on until an empty LZ is found. From the looks of it LZs are never THAT far away to the point where the closest one is another 20 minute walk away so feel this is the best solution even if the most complex
Super interested in this product despite all the flaws I have seen. Though as much as I want to jump in ASAP, I kind of wish they don't go to EA soon but rather take a 5-6 month period to refine these issues which have been brought up in this test. E.g. how to deal with helo camping, More faction identity, AI issues, changes to weapon handling, gun audio, how to deal with griefing for when this goes public, issues with looting etc etc.
They have an EA release date of 2024. Why not resolve some of the most blatant issues from this test (design and gameplay wise) by taking a few months to put some work in to get these ironed out? then it will be an absolute banger of an Early Access release and save them from a potential sh*tstorm!
because the factions and the 24/7 live map it reminds me a lot of StalCraft which is a game biased on a Minecraft mod on steam. that game also has a large live map but the factions that take up different parts of the map and each factions have unique traders and quests which gray zone should implement. it would be great if they made the factions be like usa , ussr , europe military gear. I was hoping for a game like this because you will get a lot of unique moments of faction battles and a in game eco system with factions and battles at loot spots when the loot resets .I hope this game gets some bug fixes and some temporary bases or safe houses further into the map like stalcraft does and this could be a great game. ( take notes from stalcraft their game isnt perfect but has fixed a lot of these complicated problems )
Been waiting for this video!
I understand that there’s a level of language barrier when the head dev replied to that tweet, but ultimately he didn’t actually answer any questions posed
What IS that other 70%? What is the complete product going to look like? If you want to charge people for EA (which they said they are), you NEED to present a cohesive idea of what the finished product is that you’re charging $40-$80 for. You don’t need to present a complete game, but you need to present a formed idea that tells customers what the product they’re buying will at least MOSTLY look like
This is someone I don't see ANYONE talk about. They started this game with the idea of "Let's try to make our own Tarkov" and that's as far as they fucking got.
In all the interviews I've listened to/ watched and the articles I read... They really do not have an idea for this game.
They just thought pretty graphics and making it a Tarkov lite would be enough. But it isn't.
Thank you, Bigfry!
"you can walk instead" is not the kind of comment that gives me confidence in this game's success.
It's the kind of thing nikita would say and fuck that guy.
They either need randomized LZs, or some way to call a "dustoff" while in the heli, so you can choose another LZ before getting slaughtered at landing
The idea of control points/territories similar to the likes of New World is genius, that is the one thing NW had going for it but it was such an exclusive club that got into those territory wars, a game really needs to adapt that idea because it has A LOT of potential. This game with some work will be amazing..
tbh, they should put like a minigun in each sidedoor of that helicopter, only then will the LZ camping be fixed propperly, let's be honest, trying to hit anything with a normal gun out of a moving helicopter is gonna be a pain in the ass aswell.
Dude THANK YOU for talking about the loot. It has NONE. I don’t see how it’s going to retain attention when there’s no loot, and there’s no adrenaline. Like why would I care if I die if I can just go get my things back. There’s nothing to keep us there.
They must add a few manual option to the helicopter during flight. If you see potential threats at the LZ then press the option to change points mid flight or an option to hover over another point to potentially jump with parachutes. Sounds like an easy fix for a big problem..
at 15:00 i have that exact feeling with arma reforger right now i will play for 3 to 4 hours in a single match and get off for about an hour and just the entire time im thinking about going back its almost like an addiction it has me wanting more every time i play in a single fight yesterday for 12 hours it was the most enjoyable thing i have ever done videogame wise i cant wait to try this game when it comes the the public
They might want to add civilians then hostage/rescue missions where if hostage dies gets killed by either ai or enemy pmc you fail and get a deduction of some sort and for the enemy pmc they could get a response quest to take down the hostage rescue mission, vice versa.
They could also add wildlife even if just a bit like boars, birds you can shoot and some fish you could shoot and potentially use for food/survival. Looting fruit off of trees and herbs from specific flora in the environment would also be really cool.
And possible enemy scouts at night that may fire a flare when they spot you / elite ai with night vision or thermal scanners would also be really cool (only at night) make them really hard to kill and cheese. It would compose of a spotter/sniper squad / an assault or recon squad of 3 with ARs or SMGs.
They really just need to make the land more lively. Seeing as how they want the server with thousands of ai I believe they can make some of these happen or something similar.
Would be sick if they upgraded the AI enemy numbers, consistency, having patrols in the jungle and difficulty based on background or just give some of them Snipers, RPGs, LMG suppressive fire or whatever. Add air/ground support for both PMCs and local military (might be a fix for camping or the running simulator complaint.) Hate the progress wipe system. A mix of Ghost Recon/Insurgency Sandstorm/ Tarkov gameplay is what I expected from this game. Also the map feels empty and too large for no reason.