It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder How I keep from going under It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder How I keep from going under
"Star Wars fans don't like Reva because they are racist!" A good version of this character arc already exists within the Star Wars canon., so Lando Calrissian begs to differ. He handed Han over to Darth Vader while displaying enough charisma, ambivalence and regret that the fandom forgave and embraced him instantly. The problem with Reva isn't her race or gender, it's the writing.
I agree but I would like to add that racism shouldn't come into this because it's the writers I don't like, not the actress and I don't have the first idea who the writers even are.
@@veryanonymous3630 I'm not even sure it's the writers - I have no clue what conditions they work under. They may have no more freedom than does the actress, for all I know. The writing is definitely a huge problem, though. We no longer see the nuances and the internal consistency that used to be the hallmark of good writing.
Never mind a much cleaner excuse. "I had to turn you in or the bad guys would hurt the people it's my job to protect" is as valid a reason to betray someone as it gets. If anything I'd almost say he made the right choice, given the circumstances (never mind the harder choice, given his friendship with Han). It'd be one thing if it was his own life he was gambling with, but it wasn't.
So far she is basically an exact rip-off of Trilla aka Second Sister. She is angry, a former Padawan, and she relentlessly pursues her prey. Then she turned good and was redeemed, dying against Vader to save a runaway Jedi.
I don't often quote my Grandmother, but back in the 70s she told me "People who tear others down trying to build themselves up are pathetic." That has become more pertinent in the past ten years or so. If she were alive today she would be saying, "Jack! Get me the Hell out of this box!"
My father once told me that if you say something with enough confidence people will believe anything you say....this is why I don't believe anything Disney has said for the last almost 10 years
The fact that they *immediately* jumped to calling Star wars fans, you know, the same fans that love Billy Dee, Samuel L Jackson, John Boyega and Rosario Dawsons' portrayals of their characters racist shows that really, the companies own mindset is racist. that's all they care about.
they think people who slipped into her DMs is an entire fandom. they are delusional and will always pick the nasty messages so they can promote their agenda. they got what they wanted, a week long trending topic on twitter.
They call the fans racist, but they shrinked John Boyega and put a mask over Chadwick Boseman's face in the posters of their respective movies to appease Winnie the Pooh!
The moment I saw that Reva was a female black character I knew exactly what was going to happen: She cant be evil. Disney wont allow that. She needs to be a "victim" in some shape or form. And in the end, even with all the bad things she did, she will be redeemed and everything will be forgiven.
haha bro, chill. disney doesn't even let their white folks be villains. look at kylo. And as for 'redeemed and forgiven' Vader got a pretty good redemption if you ask me, and he's beyond ruthless.
I'm not an American and will never go to the DMV, but I now have this image of her looking at me through horn-rimmed glasses over a counter. She looks at the form in front of her, looks at me and shakes her head. At that point, I know I'm doomed.
Oh god, you’re so right. I really wanted Revas motivation to be that she was filled with hate after witnessing Anakin kill her friends, so she’s been learning all she can, and doing anything necessary to get close to him so she can exact her revenge… like a tragic character fuelled by trauma and rage, with no hope of redemption, just pure vengeance story. Unfortunately I think you’re much more likely to be right and they’re gonna be like yeaaa she’s good now.
Reva is actchually the most powerful force user ever, having self taught herself to break the fourth wall to read the script to know where to look for hideouts, and having the ability to teleport from one end of a tunnel to another.
I think the actress coming out and saying "I'm someone young girls can look up to" despite playing an evil character is indicative of the mentality behind this and explains why it's so bad. She doesn't even think of herself as the character, she only thinks of herself as the actress. A proud, black actress. How can you be a good actor if you don't even think of yourself as the character you're playing?
I agree with what everyone else is saying about the show and character, but this is honestly kind of dumb because you are merging the actress and the character she is playing into one entity. There is nothing wrong young girls looking up to a successful actress who happens to be playing a villain right now.
@@kagetsuki23 Ian McDiarmid is a fine role model for a kid who wants to go into acting. He was the best thing about the prequels. Nothing wrong with looking up to actors that portray villains.
@The Nightingale Yeah, no. Kids look up to the characters actors play, not actors themselves. She either said that 'cause she knows they will devilify her or is delusional
Whenever an actor says something along the lines of "I think this show is going to bring the most diversity we have seen to Star Wars", that instantly leaves the bad taste of a political agenda in my mouth, I went to see Top Gun: Maverick yesterday and loved it, it was so refreshing to watch something that didn't try to shove a political message down your throat
Vader was only redeemed in Luke's eyes, but that was enough for Anakin to let go of his hatred for himself. Leia (and the galaxy) never forgave him. Disney writers don't seem to get that part. You can't just absolve a character like that. Was Ben Solo ever actually forgiven by anyone? It was just "oh yeah he's light side now"
In legends leia actually eventually forgives anakin. Especially when he was begging to be as his force ghost and i think lukes words bout how he was saved by their father and then looked into his past as anakin and saw the good man he used she was able to forgive him to a degree. She did name their son after him to be fair.
No it was only Rey, Han and leia that saw good in ben solo. There is no way everyone would say yeah no problem to the guy who killed thousands of innocent people and watched as star killer base destroyed planets
Exactly. We are talking about one of the most by-the-book and experienced Jedi masters on the Jedi Council, he didn’t survive Order 66 by being stupid. All I wanted was to see Kenobi communicating with Qui-Gon through the force as Yoda had taught him.
@@thatperformer3879 They had a 10+ year window to pick a setting for an interesting story. They chose/created a starting point where Obi-Wan was pathetic. That's where we are at. They chose to have a weepy character instead of a heroic adventure. It's ridiculous how much they hate the legacy characters. Their only value is bait.
@@thatperformer3879 - not only that! He’s the only Jedi on the council to have actually defeated a Sith in battle. They totally skipped his Jedi Knight test because he defeated Darth Maul. And if you feel so inclined, you could add that he also defeated Darth Vader on Mustafar. Obi-wan was the only Jedi Master on the council in this era to do this.
Whats so insanely weird to me is that Obi-Wan has been training as a youngling in the jedi temple, at the age of 13 he became a padawan of Qui-Gon, He is a Clone war veteran and not to mention a general in the clone wars and he is a jedi master. He has known nothing but the force for his hole life and has been training and fighting his hole life. How the hell did he just forget everything just like that???? Does disney even know who this character is?
This 1000%. He would never give up on the Force if he actually cared about it. It’s totally illogical for Obi-wan to give up on the Force willingly. If he did it to protect Luke, that makes a lot more sense. Not because “he has ptsd.”
@@OmegaPoint042 I totally agree, this just isnt Obi-wan i refuse to believe it. The guy who we saw and loved in the prequals and the clone wars series is nothing like this imposter that we see in this show. Like the difference is litterly night and day between these characters. People come to watch this show to see the character they loved but i guess thats to much to ask. Now we get a totally new character who litterly cant do anything anymore and gets bossed around by a 10 year old. Its so crazy but not a suprise since i could smell this shit a mile away when they announced Obi-wan that it was gonna be a shitshow.
The way I percieve to see it is not that he's forgotten how to do any of it. Obi-Wan is struggling with doubts of being able to do anything right. All that has been keeping him going is the boy he was tasked to watch over. I find no reason why he couldn't be weakened in the Force, between his extreme anguish, and need to keep his powers hidden. Not to mention his battle with Anakin leaving Ben with a wound in the Force, like what happened to Revan, the Jedi Exile Meetra, and more recently Cal Kestis and Kanin. Peoples connections to the Force can weaken and strengthen with enough internal and external turmoil.
@@Qirei1221 because apparently people don't change over time. How long has it been for Obi since ROTS? Are you the same person you were years ago? I know I'm not. But apparently once you hit a certain age you become static and never change.
You know what would have been a better character arc for Reeva? Have her corner Obi-Wan... tell him that she wants to kill him for failing the Jedi and to please her master, Darth Vader... Then have Obi-Wan be the one to tell HER that Darth Vader is Anakin... the guy who literally slaughtered her fellow younglings... Have her realize he's telling the truth and then send her off to confront Vader... in which Vader ultimately takes her out...
@@O4C209 Seriously, she looks and talks like a 6 year old. I've known plenty of 10 year old kids that look and speak older than her, and are also a lot more athletic (some of my nephews who play sports are actually quite fast)
Yoda at the end of revenge of the sith: "Obi Wan, in your solitude on tatooine, training I have for you" Obi Wan in the series: Not trained in the force in 10 years Fans: ... ?
Being hunted and trying to keep under the Inquisitors radar will do that to you. Do you think Dr Richard Kimble (the Fugitive) was keeping up with the latest medical procedures whilst on the run from Tommy Lee Jones?
Vader when he met Obiwan: Our long awaited meeting has come at last, when I left you I was but the learner now I am the master" The series: Vader and Obiwan meet and he fucks Obiwan while Obiwan runs like a coward Fans: the fuck is this bullshit?
Now this is what I was saying, the way the force is used in general, obi should be training and should be super in tune with force since you’re practicing talking to qui gon, and everyone just uses the force to push stuff, there’s no range and we’ve seen like 6 force users already
Sometimes in TV shows a side character would steal the show, usually rather unexpectedly. What Disney has been trying to do is to deliberately replicate that so their self-created characters can emerge.
There was a character, Karsi, in Game of Thrones' season 5 that appearead only in one episode (Hardhome). She had less than half an hour of screen time and yet she instantly became a fan favorite. The thing is, the actress knocked it out of the park...
You're right, and even more than that, their main method for this is to ruin the legacy protagonists. To turn them into irrelevant buffoons. They could just as easily be promoting new characters while giving everyone feel-good, affectionate sendoffs for the old characters. But the shows demonstrate little but contempt, if not open hate, for the old protagonists (apart from Leia - though they bastardized her character by turning her into a comic-book superhero).
My thoughts exactly: Reva is getting the Holdo treatment, written like the villain, but treated as the hero Obi-wan is getting the Jake Skywalker treatment, compelled to action by his "betters" whereas before he was (somewhat) peerless. To see this played out over multiple franchises (and not just Star Wars titles) has become mind-numbingly torturous. Only now, near the end of all things do I ever regret becoming a geek.
You might want to avoid Star Wars in the future. Along with Star Trek, Terminator, Men In Black, Doctor Who, DC/Marvel, Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, Foundation, Coca-Cola, D&D ...
It was obvious that he was downgraded to a secondary/recurring character role the moment he appeared. Lack of Vader's iconic theme music = no Vader, just a cosplayer pretending Vader is weak.
The fact they have doubled, tripled and quadrupled down defending any criticism of this character under the accusations of racism, shows how desperate they are make you love her. No matter how awful a Space yarzi she is.
Yeah, I think the actress and LucasFilm have forgotten the fact that the character works for the white empire that wields MG-34s, fighting an ethnically diverse group of rebels. Funny, that sounds familiar, doesn't it?
@Cyberleader Andy Cmon man. You´ve got to know the difference between criticizing a character and criticizing the actor that plays that character. They are defending the criticism of the actor. She has been called some horrible things by people, and these guys are acting like defending her is some kind of marketing strategy by Disney.
Riva saw the script and knows she can get away with pretty much anything until the final episode, if it wasn’t for her plot armour the other inquisitions would have ran her through with a lightsaber in the show’s first opening minutes.
When he started talking about his past i thought we were gonna get a flashback or some shit and Outta nowhere we get to see the son of his brother who trains and carries on his legacy as a Jedi. That'd be epic
How exactly was Obi Wan supposed to "protect the boy" without any powers, lightsabers, or connection to the force? I can somewhat understand it being 10 years and he's a little rusty, but if someone came for Luke that day, how was he going to protect him? He was watching and then what... call up Yoda? He wasn't prepared to protect anyone in the state he is in.
The whole premise of Obi-woke Kenobi is trash. How can you spend your life training to master a thing and then just forget it. The whole thing makes 0 sense.
Star Wars fans are funny nowadays, everyone wants every detail spoon fed to them. IMAGINE - maybe he came into watching Luke with good intentions but as the Jedi faded so did his affinity to the force. And due to that he's probably been feeling the loss of his friend/little brother and everything he's ever known. But due to a background in 'jediness' he's probably not great at dealing with his emotions - hence the dreams he's having like Anakin had in the prequels. We're catching obi-wan in a funk where he's at a lull within his life. He's become as course and irritated as the sand around him that Anakin seems to hate so much. I really don't feel like this shit is mind boggling. Star Wars fans need to use their sense of wonder and imagination again.
@@MFgabesylar3030 Or they could just write sensible stories? Why do I have to infer so much when it doesn't even make much sense. Why does being a Jedi even come into him feeling emotionally drained and depressed at the thought of all the things that happend in Episode 3? Sorry for expecting to not have to write their story for them.
@@PrayForTanqueray hi there! Thanks for the reply. I really don’t think it’s ‘inferring’, I just think it’s using the years of stories written to understand what’s happening. And also - Again, the original trilogy had nothing spelled out for folks and part of the fun was imaging what happening. Who’s the emperor? How did darth Vader become how he is? Why is luke such a whiny bitch haha? If the OG trilogy came out nowadays everyone would dismantle it. DESTROY IT. The very thing people say they love is what they’re against. Or at least feels like it. Part of the fun is figuring out shit and trying to understand it. Not immediately dismiss it. Hell, we barely made it halfway into the show and folks are already acting like their childhood has been robbed.
The character has no reason to exist... Everything "evil" she does could have been done by Vader, and anything "good" she ends up doing could be done by Obiwan.
I literally only watch 1 - 2 films a year - nowadays I honestly prefer just listening to these guys talk about them - way more entertaining and efficient!
@@harvy68 Why are you so surprised by this my dude? This is the consequences of being disappointed over, over and over to the point you just stop caring at all, tis literally aint a issue with op but with the "entertainment", industry itself
I'm mostly catching up on my backlog lately. It's also funny you used the word efficient, cause films are getting so long, you can't simply watch them at the end of the day or in the middle of the afternoon without taking some time for it, everything is two hours and a half long these days.
When Vader says to Obi Wan in Star Wars "the circle is now complete" he's referring to Mustafar "when last we met I was but the learner". That was his last lesson from his old Master. There is no other battle between the two in the interim. People are making the wrong assumption that this is a blank that this show is needed to fill in.
When Vader says "Obi Wan once thought as you did" he's not suggesting that there's some meeting between the two in the interim between films in which Obi Wan tries to turn Anakin back to the light side. He's again referring to Mustafar when Ben pleaded with Anakin to stand down, not some off-screen adventure that this show needs to invent. These lines as we know them are already self-explanatory.
Exactly. Lucas already answered all these references in Episode III. He tied everything up in a nice bow rather than having important events happen in that 20 year gap. Everyone is where they end up in ANH (which is kind of boring but makes it easier on Lucas to try to make the saga cohesive)
Finally someone finally makes this comment. I’ve been thinking this since the start of the show! How can Anakin be the learner when he’s been Vader for 10 years now. What a joke of a show. Thank you sir!
You knew this is the shit they were gonna pull when they gave her an actual name when none of the Inquisitors have one. It's bullshit that Disney labels every criticism as racism when it's pretty clear that nearly all of the fans hate the writing. You destroyed a beloved character to big up another...for what?
I feel like the master inquisitor (the one that naively get himself killed eventually) had an better character arc, and was the better good guy than the obnoxious riva character.
“This is no way to create art and stories. It adds nothing. It has no soul. It is a lifeless puppet strung up by a cash-hungry marrionettist in a bit to profit from the cheap thrills of the children of a bankrupt age. It doesn't honor the past -- it debases it for our shallow pleasure. We, this world, and these characters deserve so much better than this.”
@@VarunKumar-ro4ll Agreed. Reva needs some sort of spark to come across as a halfway decent character. I've loved the portrayl of Obi, Leia, and Vader so far, but I need to be convinced on Reva. Even Trilla and Cere are SO MUCH MORE compelling than Third Sister
I called them turning Reva into the hero of the show back when the actress was all "We want young girls to look up to her". I mean, wut? She's the bad guy, the villain, why would you want kids looking up to her? Unless this was her accidently letting the cat out of the bag on the fact SHE'S gonna turn into the hero, sidelining Obi-Wan and proving herself to be better and gooder than he ever was?
Luke's (and Leia's) entire existence is going to hinge on Reva's 'goodness'. Making Reva critical in importance to the entire franchise. That's their intent. Luke wouldn't have gotten to accomplish all his heroic deeds without the benevolence of Reva. Poor Obi Wan is lost and clueless without Leia's guidance, and Reva's change of heart.
The fact they had to get Ewan McGregor to make a statement defending her, because fans like him, just shows how bad she really is. "Hey guys quit picking on her"
The actress shouldnt get shit on using racist remarks, its because of people on internet like these that constructive criticism is not taken seriously anymore, any criticism of Reva will be seen as white noise from closet racists.
It's almost like when you spot a female or POC in trailers, you know it's going to be a bait and switch. Obi will get sidelined in his own show too, like every other white male character these days. It's obvious they will try a redemption arch with Reeva, because they: 1) need you to like her 2) a woman has to be the hero these days, we can never have white male heroes anymore 3) the black person can't be a villain... It's just predictable and annoying. I'm also getting a bit tired of all the greyzones; villains with redemption archs. Every character gets washed out and the same, both evil and good. Like we are supposed to overlook all the horrible things they've done. I miss some lighter stories, where the heroes and villains are clear, and good wins in the end.
Other Inquisitors: Use the force for intimidation and discipline Reva: Uses the force to do outdated parkour “tricks” that aren’t even impressive while an old man makes more distance simply jogging.
Riva is the Inquisitor woman, right? My main issue is: The Inquisitors were shmucks who hunted younglings and padawans, who somehow survived the Jedi Purge. She isn't suitable for a villain in a show about a Jedi Master. Obi-Wan is THE best duelist in the galaxy and a very powerful Force user. He could defeat her with his eyes closed and a finger in his ass.
The EU had an Order 66 survivor come to Tatooine as he is the son of a Tusken Raider and eventually assumes control of a tribe. They then start attacking settlements and cities, but once their aim is pointed at Owen and Beru’s moisture farm, Kenobi steps in front and challenges the Jedi. This Jedi being a dual wielding master loses a hand to Kenobi and is rebuked for the dark path he chose. This Jedi’s name was A’Sharad Hett and his story did not end there. This show is a massive missed opportunity lol
@@Capybara2240 But Rey suddenly developed super adept master level skills, as an adult, with no knowledge or training while someone who trained from childhood to master level forgets everything after a decade?
She's 100% gonna turn the good. They didn't cast a diverse actress and have her be a villain. Anyone paying attention to Hollywood for the last decade saw it coming from the second she was cast. Also, her costume design is following this trend where strong female action characters all need to have padding on the sides of their shoulders to make their silhouette broader and more masculine looking. It's like they're acknowledge women are physically weaker and know they have to try to trick you into forgetting that fact by giving them manly frames.
Every time I see Reva all I can think is that they already did this character better with Trilla from Fallen Order. She was a way better villain, had better motivation, was more threatening, and on top of all of that she was extremely feminine.
@@nuyabuisness7526 Yeah Trilla was an absolute beast and a great character, she posed a credible threat to Cal, whereas Reva should get absolutely dismantled by Obi Wan so poses no threat, she's just childish.
Basically, diverse hires (especially black people) are two time,double crossing traitors. Wonderful writing lucasflim. Finn -traitors That black girl trooper- traitor that BF2 chick- traitor Reeeeveee- traitor
Funnily enough, Gina had that as well, but it was COMPLETELY unecessary, right? But we can’t have wrongthink in our castmembers. Better throw her aside, good talent though she was.
Leia Organa's true identity is known to no one in the Empire until Vader sensed it in Luke's emotions in Return of the Jedi. Vader even captured her in Star Wars and had no idea she was his daughter, and neither did she! He was looking for the stolen plans to the Death Star. Leia has no excuse whatsoever for being the focus of the Obi-Wan Kenobi show. Furthermore it violates canon to suggest that any Imperials would know if and where Obi-Wan was laying low, and he would never risk even being seen in public with Lars Owen, as his primary mission was to HIDE the boy, not to watch over or protect him. Presumably he would only need protection if he failed to stay hidden, which didn't happen until the Empire's search for the missing droids collided with Luke's boring home life, sparking a great adventure that would eventually bring him to Vader's attention.
Except “Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi. your my only hope”. So she knows Kenobi at a personal level. Leia might not know who she really is, but she can be the focus of the the mini-series if she learns of and respects Obi-Wan as a hero. They have to have met somewhere before the OT and she has to know who he really is and where he is. Not saying its the best plot line here but I have no problem with her presence in the series.
@@jeffreyschnedar8020 No, she knows OF him. Full speech "General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to present my father’s request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack, and I’m afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You’re my only hope."
Reva unfortunately is very distracting to me. Every time we focus on her, it murders the pacing. I hate whenever I am actually enjoying what’s going on with the show and then the scene moves to her and I’m not enjoying it anymore. Her writing is really bad and she’s not directed in a way that makes her threatening or menacing to Obi Wan. I don’t mind the newer characters that much because their presence doesn’t really distract me. I like Haja. I like Tala. I like Roken. I even like this new take on the Grand Inquisitor. They don’t take the attention away from Ewan. But sadly Reva does and I just don’t think she fits in with this show at all.
What the hell has Disney done to the empire? They have gone from a extremely efficient, cold and calculating, and nearly emotionless and faceless dominating presents. To a barely function gaggle of screaming man children, inept troops, and outright disloyal high ranking officials. It’s like no one in the entire empire believes in it or the stability it brought after the clone wars. Depicting the empire as incomplete is also extremely unfitting as the empire’s failures in the OT nearly totally come from unpredictable wild cards. Episode IV: the child of the most powerful Jedi of the republic that no one had any reason to believe even existed lands a perfect shot using the force after being trained only slightly from a near totally dead order the empire stomped out. After the rebel attack on the Death Star was nearly completely destroyed down to less then half a dozen ships by the end. Episode V: the empire has the rebels cornered in a ship with a nonfunctional hyperdrive, but R2 who came with Luke just barely gets the Falcon back up and running barely escaping. Episode VI the empire’s trap is ruined as the native populations Endor garrisons the rebels on the planet in a surprise attack, a suicide attack gets lucky and takes out the flag ship, all while Vader who Palps has every reason to assume was completely broken into total loyalty and to him makes a last second decision to save his son. Episode 6 is the weakest in terms of it as the empire should have no real trouble with the Ewoks, but the empire fails more often then not in the OT because crazy wild cards happen to them. Not because everyone is incompetent or a petulant child.
@@kylebradley3 if that's true, then it was a shitty allegory. The NVA were not little teddy bears with primitive weapons, they were supplied by the Soviet Union with AK-47s, tanks, surface-to-air missiles and more. They were a modern military force. And they supplied the Viet Cong, too. Sounds like a load of shite.💩
@@kylebradley3 most of Star Wars was especially if you look at first drafts and the very first novelization, but that did get rewritten. Granted the Ewok thing comes across as weak because we are explicitly show the empire had elite troops and a ton of equipment on Endor. We even see AT-ATs that just vanish during the battle. But even at its weakest the OT makes the empire failing on Endor make some sense.
@@monekyinapanzer7357 They do explain the missing walkers in the film. The commander that brings Luke to Vader asks for and receives permission to take his ATAT away to search for Luke's companions. Presumably he was hours away doing his search when the rebel attack begins. EDIT That said there are still a couple of dumb things on Endor; Why does the garrison not go to full alert as soon as the shuttle carrying the rebels doesn't land at the base but instead lands a days walk away? Also, when they do capture the rebels, why take them outside the base instead of holding them inside? The empire would have won if they'd just kept the rebels in a secure holding cell or a storage bay or something.
@@Akm72 Or just killed them on the spot, which is what you would do as an efficient, evil empire that trusts in it's military power. But one has to allow for some plot convenience. A movie trilogy about an unopposed empire slowly falling apart due to inner corruption and infighting between rivaling power factions wouldn't have room for a nice, romatic hero-story ;)
It looks like she's pretty new to the acting game, a handful of credits on her IMDB only going back like 4 years. I've only seen her in 'The Queen's Gambit' and she was fine, but she has a bigger role here than she did there. That and the cast around her in her scenes hasn't been as strong to cover up her inexperience.
You can have an "evil" character that has characteristics which make them good to watch. This woman is just completely unwatchable. Her acting sticks out like a sore thumb because she's SO WOODEN.
I laughed out loud at her line delivery when she opened the door and found the kidnappers coughing from the spice. It was right there that I just thought, "Yeah, she's just a horrible actress." Such a simple line that couldn't even be delivered properly
"They don't have the writing skill" I would argue that they lack the actual understanding of character, Integrity and redemption to write a good redemption story. They know how to sling platitudes and pop cultural values, but essentially the characters they idealize are shallow and unrealistic. About as meaningful as a puff of smoke in the wind.
I’m beginning to truly believe there is a an intent to sow racial division. Why else would there be a need to purposely ruin so many loved franchises with a character with certain specific characteristics. In terms of racial hate, there has been an increase in demand and not enough supply, so this all seems so artificially created in order to make a world view, where the puppet masters are the virtuous, into a reality.
That's right, the narcissists think they can trick you into hating yourselves. Clowns should stick their noses back into their wallets and stay counting their millions of stolen money. RIP society
This is partly true, but I'd say the bigger component is simply the erasure of whites in media and then in reality. Despite being called the majority, the disparate European ethnicities make up barely 10% of the world's population and Coudenhove-Kalergi has had plans in place for roughly a century to render Europeans extinct in their own native homes. This is a demoralization and normalization process to make people okay with no longer seeing white people in the stories they created, filmed on technology they invented, in countries they founded and died to defend.
If they try to make it to where Reva is mad at Obi-Wan for “abandoning” the Jedi and younglings at the temple it will make absolutely no sense. Obi-Wan and Yoda literally went to the temple to try and save people after the attack started and found everyone dead. They did everything they could to save lives not abandon Jedi, they were blindsided like everyone else.
We're in a period of time where "Strong Female Characters" that replace every male character, need the opportunity to show everyone it's a bad idea, then we can put it to rest once and for all.
@Jamie Pritchard That's finally going to start hurting them in a year or two when their ESG money dries up. Once they're no longer picking your pocket and getting paid from your taxes whether you subscribe or not, they'll actually have to try making good stories again. Of course, since they have no good writers anymore...
A simple problem that may just solve itself in a few short years. Mainstream movie goers will get tired of watching terrible actresses performing unbelievable roles poorly, and some director will come out with some new, well written, well directed, well acted male-led cast, get rave reviews as a breath of fresh air in a stale market, and the money will do the rest. All these folks developing this kind of media will look at the money their competition starts raking in, and be forced to follow suit to stay financially relevant. 'Social justice' is convenient to big business and celebrities only as long as it doesn't hurt their profit margins. When it buys them privilege and power, they embrace it. When it threatens their big money, they hush it up and push it aside. Exactly the story with Netflix.
You guys are out there sacrificing your imaginative dignity on our behalf. I salute you. My life feels freer now. But how much longer can you suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous Disney?
@@Zathren I didn’t get into fallen order (mostly the gameplay, the story was great) but it’s going to suck seeing them just stealing a better character’s story for their shitty new one
They hired her due to her sex, race, and they focused on those things. So why is it wrong to criticize those subject when those were the defining characteristics that were focused on?
How do you criticise someone’s race or gender? That’s literally racist and sexist. You can criticise the writers and directors for pandering and choosing her based on race and gender rather that acting skills. You can criticise tokenism and forced diversity in modern Hollywood and you can criticise them for creating such a dislikable character and giving her so much importance in a show that’s not about her but you can’t literally criticise her skin colour and gender, that’s messed up🤨 the issue isn’t the fact that she’s black or that she’s a woman. The issue is that she’s a horribly written character with no likeable characteristics and she’s a Mary Sue, it also doesn’t help that she’s a mediocre actress. I hate tokenism and forced diversity. Don’t get me wrong diversity is a good thing but Hollywood does it in the most pandering and political charged way possible and it makes something that’s supposed to be good... well kinda sh*t. With that said from the first three episodes I’ve seen nothing in her character that gives off these pandering vibes. Nothing about her character has anything to do with feminist agenda, wokeness, BLM or anything along those lines so I honestly don’t get why you’re bringing race or gender into it. She’s a terrible character who happens to be a black female. Her blackness and femininity plays no role in being so dislikable. If she was to keep making comments about how it’s unfair being a female inquisitor compared to the guys or starting rambling on about how being a black inquisitor is hard then I’d understand but like I said neither her race or gender has any significance in her character
I'm calling it. The next big Star Wars project is going to be a "Remaster and Remake" of the OT Star Wars Trilogy. "Because we want to represent the fans and give the series the treatment is deserves. Updating and expanding the show that you love." Christ I hope I'm wrong, but tell me you couldn't see this happening.
With a just a few a modern updates. The Empire is now a college fraternity. The Rebellion are all strong female characters that are gonna smash the galactic patriarchy, ya know...really keeping the spirit of the OT intact...Also Luna Skywalker was always trans, they just didnt come out and say it because you are all bigots.
I laughed my ass off when the guy with asthma who has a machine that constantly makes sound snuck up perfectly quiet on a Jedi master and then when striking made a very loud breath sound. It was just goofy lmao
Xena Warrior Princess is an example of a character that did horrific things in her past but found redemption. A primary antagonist is Callisto, whose parents Xena burned to death. Callisto has every right to seek vengeance against Xena. Eventually Xena actually braves hell itself to rescue Callisto's soul so she can get to heaven to be with her family. The fact Xena was a bloodthirsty psychopath in the past is brought up again and again, and the whole show is about her seeking some kind of redemption for her deeds. Xena is an example of a tragic female hero character done right.
What annoys me the most, is that the fight between Obi Wan and Vader on the Death Star, is supposed to be the first time they have fought since Obi Wan bested and crippled him, with Vader even mentioning that he was "but the learner" the last time they fought. However, this episode screws with this, as in this episode Vader clearly isn't Obi Wan's apprentice anymore and handily bests him. Hence it may or may not retcon a New Hope slightly. Also, the emotional impact from that film's fight is lost if the two of them have fought before. If they have fought before and Obi Wan was only saved by some Deus Ex Machina BS, then the fight on the Death Star is not only less impactful, but Vader should be a lot more aggressive in it. As it is, he is deliberately cautious in that fight because of his memory of being crippled by his master last time. Side note: The show also cannot give Leia a consistent character. In episode 2 of the show, the entire point of the rooftop chase is that Leia distrusts Obi Wan as he is a stranger to her. However, in the next episode, she instantly trusts the truck driver, despite never having seen him before. The sudden unexplained character shift is quite jarring.
Dude that whole episode doesn't make sense. I tried to retcon it for them by saying since Leia is the daughter of a senator that she has probably had some type of training on kidnapping so to only trust a few people from their security/government/whatever. Where that's lost is she sees the bounty on Obi Wan and goes "Oh they're really after you? You must be a bad guy too! You are somehow in on it as a double bad guy that's going to turn me back into them even though you just rescued me from them and they are only trying to kill you???" She could have at least said "I got kidnapped because of you, it's dangerous for me to be around you so I'm going to run away". But I guess that's just too simple and makes like a little bit of sense so fk me. If she would have even just said "stranger danger!" and ran away that would have made more sense. Then she just starts yammering off the second things cool down like nothing even happened. There is no levity to her nearly killing herself and being saved by the force. Ole Ben doesn't reprimand her and she isn't taken back by the force at all. Yet again just learning this mystical power actually exists that was just fantasy two seconds ago but who cares I'd rather be quirky and sarcastic.
By dividing the fanbase preemptively they have created a situation in which real criticism gets painted as racism straight away, thus canceling out said criticisms. It also creates this 'two-camps' mentality where the people who feel like they have the moral high ground are SUPER forgiving of all the shows flaws and will be praising this unpolished turd to the high heavens and back just so they can stick it to the other group. Annoys the shit out of me.
Fortunately, the success of tv shows isn't defined by criticism, but by viewer count. And people like me, who have grown weary of bad shows, have by now let go of any curiosity and will watch shows only when they come recommended by trusted sources. So as long as neither The Drinker nor two specific friends of mine tell me it's good, I'm not gonna watch. And judging from the comments there seem to be a lot of guys with a similar attitude. Which the numbers will show.
That's all they do. It's beyond pathetic with the typical "If you don't like such and such you're a racist" horseshit that gets constantly peddled by Disney and it's bootlicker brigade who still believe no matter what that they can do no wrong.
I´m feeling an actual backlash because of this "forced representation" roles. After watching black Achilles, black female jarls, black WW2 soldiers in positions they didn´t actually filled, black british royalty, black elves, etc. I´m in a position that even a poster showing a black character keeps me from watching a movie. Something similar with powerful women who can´t smile, every time I see a poster of a "stunning and brave" character I just don´t want to watch the movie. It´s really sad, because I´m not racist or sexist, I really enjoyed lots of female and black character in old films, but just a hint of a movie preaching "the message" keeps me from watching.
Black British royalty is actual history, and elves are imaginary. I can't speak to the WW2 soldiers, but I'm gonna just doubt u did enough research to confirm your sentiments. I dunno mang... I don't wanna be programmed either, but u sounding a lil sus. Not wanting to watch a film cuz a black person is on the poster.... SHEEEEESH
"Killing" characters in prequels is like sending a T-800 back in time to kill John Connor. Change the past to destroy the future. It's the fastest way to terminate a franchise.
Disney: Obi wan Kenobi, the guy who spent decades on Tattooine to watch over Luke Skywalker & who sneaks onto The Death Star to die selflessly fighting Darth Vader, *is now a coward because we need him to take a backseat to a Diversity Hire who ticks all the blue check boxes.*
You just know that their writing group and KK had a bunch of plans for the character to have spinoffs, books, merchandise, etc. That's why they're pushing and defending her so hard.
I was at the local pot shop, and one of the employees made the mistake of asking me how I like Kenobi. I had my slave 1 t shirt on. Well. They regretted the question, and it was awkward. They asked the wrong person. Lol.
Moses in Star Wars, Michael in Star Trek...I guess female characters and actors named Noah, Mark, Matthew and John will be along soon. Luke has already been used and destroyed.
"If you don't like Reva you're racist!" Me: a huge fan of mace windu... "if you say so..." "Well then you must be sexist!" Me: another fan of ahsoka and aayla... "riiiiight...."
Doesn't work that way apparently. I mentioned the exact same thing and was told that's the TV fan version of "I have black friends" Apparently you can still be racist and like black characters. You can still be sexist and enjoy female characters.
@Jacob Cooper well I raised the conversation that diversity hiring practices actually emboldens genuine racists because it gives them solid grounds to challenge any black person hired or cast for a job. Nobody questioned Billy Dee Williams casting as Lando or Samual L Jacksons as Mace Windu. They were obviously perfect for the role... and frankly their skin colour was never a talking point. But which no cast members where their skin colour is being used in promo materials and articles there's genuine cases there to ask if they were hired solely on skin colour to fill a quota and not for skill or talent.
@@garethbattersby It's spellcasting, the equivalent of "abracadabra". They don't use words to describe reality, they use words to cause a desired effect. They exist in self-induced schizophrenia.
I wonder how many more "a dude protects a child who gets in trouble" star wars shows Disney is gonna make, so far we have the bad batch, mando and now kenobi is the same shit.
Riva was written to be WAY too blunt and heavy handed with everything. As soon as she killed the head Inquisitor and returned to her colleagues to tell them that Obi-Wan killed him (I have to assume she did that because they didn't even show that very important conversation) it should have only been a matter of time before they killed her, because DUH, if they didn't they would obviously be next. SMH. The actress also gave a very wooden performance.
Actors are rarely really bad at their job. Actors who get to be in multimillion productions that is. But if you get a shitty director and shitty script - you just work with what you have. Even Sir Antony Hopkins is terrible in the transformers movie.
The actress touting the character as someone to look up to just reminds me of Phasma’s actress repeating “we relate to her due to her actions and her character” ad nauseum
Your review of Kenobi is perfectly explained. Disney is totally dismantling the beloved characters in Star Wars and pushing their own political agenda. This isn’t entertainment at all. Your voice is greatly appreciated!
You see... Obi will die in this series. When he appears in episode IV, it was just force ghost. That's why he magically disappears when he fought Vader. Omg they might do it....
@@kelaarin True. But they will apply it specifically to Vader, destroying his character in the process. It's the same thing Revenge of The Sith and The 2008 Clone Wars series did to 2003's General Grevious. First you make them a villian cliche. Then you make them kiddy clowns.
Yes, thank you!! I was desperately waiting your take on this 5s after her first scene, she is just not a good villain. Thanks for making this video, I can rest easy now knowing im not crazy and shes flawed as hell indeed.
The ballad of Obi Wan Kenobi: "Brave Kenobi ran away; Bravely ran away, away; When Vader reared his ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled; Yes, brave Kenobi turned about, And gallantly he chickened out; Bravely taking to his feet, He beat a very brave retreat; Bravest of the brave, Kenobi"
@MontanaMan I haven't rolled my eyes so much since my ex-wife was still around. The Reva acting is so shit! Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels the same. And she is the one who tells Obi-Wan about Anakin/Vader? Really it's so shit. She comes from the CW school of acting...
@MontanaMan can't blame your daughter. You've raised her well I'll finish the series but outside of that it's the only Disney Star Wars I haven't fallen asleep to. However if the future holds true ill probably say well this shit has gotten stale and ill move on like I have with JJ Star Trek. Idk what's worse. Once great franchises turned to crap.
@MontanaMan I forgot about Willow. Sigh I'd like to say it'll be saved from the wrath and LoTR I think I may not even bother. Thank you Peter Jackson for the definitive editions though! Fingers and toes crossed. People like us have to keep up the good fight it seems. I'll go watch the Willow trailer. (I suppose Val Kilmer can't appear cause of the obvious, which is unfortunate. )
Whoa.... drinker, Vader is much more powerful then as dark side anakin. That is why he stays in pain with the suit, adds to the power of the darkside. This is long established.
It's as bad, or worse, than the Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker... this show is incredibly terrible, and everyone's trying to spin WHY is it so bad? WHY do the fans not like it? It's absolute shite that's why... Disney doesn't know Star Wars, doesn't know Canon, doesn't even know how the Force works... Lucas Star Wars is Canon, and the Old EU is Canon... Disney Star Wars is a fecking disgrace... It's beyond terrible... Hacks...
When I first heard that they cast a black woman as a villain I said to myself: "Wow, that's a change from how they've been running things. Maybe they are getting some courage to be edgy." Now that I am hearing she will turn good and die at the end... I was naive to believe it wasn't always bullshit
I thought she was gonna be like Amanda Waller in The Suicide Squad where she was so hell-bent on her goals that she would be willing to disobey orders just to try and kill Obi-Wan Kenobi at any cost, only to get her just desserts when he eventually cuts her down in the final fight. For the first two episodes, that seemed like the direction we were headed, and I was hyped. How foolish I was.
@@KingKayro87 What's funny about your comment mentioning Amanda Waller is that there's gonna be a DCEU TV series on HBO MAX centered on Amanda Waller, being written by a black female writer who was a staff writer for the Watchmen TV show. How much do you want to bet that they're gonna make Amanda Waller a "sympathetic person who was turned bad by the evil white male government"?
What it comes down to is these are the arcs people today want to see because it’s all they know. They want weak characters because THEY THEMSELVES are weak. They don’t understand what it’s like to be disciplined and strong so when we see Obi-Wan indiscriminately cut Anakin down, they don’t understand what it’s like to be a man that has to do the right thing no matter the bias. They NEED Obi-Wan to be weak and for Reva to be redeemed no matter how whiny she is because it’s the only life they know. That’s why they’re ruining all our characters, is because they were strong because our parents were strong.
Hard Times create hard men, hard men create soft times, soft times create soft men, soft men create hard times, repeat * Swap men for people, persons, humans, etc, if it troubles your sensibilities, but it doesn't change the lesson.
@@SpottedHares which is a symptom of his weakness, so by my logic, if you relate, understand, and agree with his choice to do that, it’s probably because you are what you consume.
She represents the ethos of bee/ell/em.....you can do all sorts of evil sh*t because of "the cause" but a little bit of good later justifies you and you are suddenly a "hero" and a role model for little black girls. Really?
Episode 4 or 5 are gonna end up being the Reva episode where we get her whole backstory. I just hope that when this happens, that the child actor playing Reva gives a better performance than Moses Ingram, which shouldn't be too hard.
Even if this character was well acted, the dialogue in the scene where she’s taunting Kenobi in that hangar is just dreadful. It’s on par with the worst Lucas had on offer in the prequels. What’s worse is it was delivered even worse than the worst of the lines Hayden was dealt. She’s taking up so much screentime away from a proper character arc for the REASON people have had some hope left with the franchise, not Kenobi, not Vader, Ewan himself. This man has been a godsend to the franchise and his acting ability has carried us through these first three episodes, but I’m dreading that we won’t see him overcome his regret and ptsd (which is crrtainly seems they’re going all in on). If they don’t manage to show Obi-Wan Kenobi heading up his character path to the wise calm old master that Luke meets in A New Hope, then what was the point of doing this at all.
Disney: You have to like Reeva! She's awesome! Me: Nope. Not gonna. Disney: You don't like Reeva because your racist! Me: Fine, I'm racist. Your point? Disney: Then your criticism doesn't matter! Me: You still won't get my money though. Disney: *surprised Pikachu face*
I've tried to say this so many times, and people always say, "But she's the antagonist!", because they don't "get it". She is not a villain, she's a misunderstood hero. She is definitely Michael from ST:D and Clara from Dr Who. She is the new origin point.
So he could lead us to the Chosen One.....Rey. Yeah, I don't buy that bullshit. I will continue to read my Zahn books and others, aka "The Real Time Line".
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Don’t worry… by the end of the series, Reva will be the hero because “the message.”
She wants to get close to vader for revenge
redemption arc
@@elpresidente6867 yeah that's what I'm thinking too. They wont let her actually be evil.
Which is sad.
Message = Good
Twisting the Message and shoving it into Peoples face = Bad
It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under
It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under
"Star Wars fans don't like Reva because they are racist!"
A good version of this character arc already exists within the Star Wars canon., so Lando Calrissian begs to differ. He handed Han over to Darth Vader while displaying enough charisma, ambivalence and regret that the fandom forgave and embraced him instantly.
The problem with Reva isn't her race or gender, it's the writing.
I agree but I would like to add that racism shouldn't come into this because it's the writers I don't like, not the actress and I don't have the first idea who the writers even are.
@@veryanonymous3630 I'm not even sure it's the writers - I have no clue what conditions they work under. They may have no more freedom than does the actress, for all I know.
The writing is definitely a huge problem, though. We no longer see the nuances and the internal consistency that used to be the hallmark of good writing.
Never mind a much cleaner excuse. "I had to turn you in or the bad guys would hurt the people it's my job to protect" is as valid a reason to betray someone as it gets. If anything I'd almost say he made the right choice, given the circumstances (never mind the harder choice, given his friendship with Han). It'd be one thing if it was his own life he was gambling with, but it wasn't.
So far she is basically an exact rip-off of Trilla aka Second Sister. She is angry, a former Padawan, and she relentlessly pursues her prey. Then she turned good and was redeemed, dying against Vader to save a runaway Jedi.
tbf there is a big racist part of the Star Wars community. Even if she was an amazing character there would be a group of people who would hate her.
I don't often quote my Grandmother, but back in the 70s she told me "People who tear others down trying to build themselves up are pathetic." That has become more pertinent in the past ten years or so. If she were alive today she would be saying, "Jack! Get me the Hell out of this box!"
That got an honest little chuckle out of me. Thanks for that.
Your Grandmother sounds like a woman i wouldn't dare to piss off.
Box? As in... coffin??
My father once told me that if you say something with enough confidence people will believe anything you say....this is why I don't believe anything Disney has said for the last almost 10 years
@@TheScarletSlayer Joseph Goebbels said something similar and look how crazy he convinced people to be
The fact that they *immediately* jumped to calling Star wars fans, you know, the same fans that love Billy Dee, Samuel L Jackson, John Boyega and Rosario Dawsons' portrayals of their characters racist shows that really, the companies own mindset is racist. that's all they care about.
Put in James Earl Jones instead of Rosario Dawson cuz everything with Aśoka’s been pretty mid so far
they think people who slipped into her DMs is an entire fandom. they are delusional and will always pick the nasty messages so they can promote their agenda. they got what they wanted, a week long trending topic on twitter.
Disney will continue to use forced diversity to shield themselves from awful writing and character development.
@@forty.twentyone - I thought she did a great job. It would be super hard to fill that role. She’s a much older Ahsoka so it fits.
They call the fans racist, but they shrinked John Boyega and put a mask over Chadwick Boseman's face in the posters of their respective movies to appease Winnie the Pooh!
The moment I saw that Reva was a female black character I knew exactly what was going to happen: She cant be evil. Disney wont allow that. She needs to be a "victim" in some shape or form. And in the end, even with all the bad things she did, she will be redeemed and everything will be forgiven.
haha bro, chill. disney doesn't even let their white folks be villains. look at kylo. And as for 'redeemed and forgiven' Vader got a pretty good redemption if you ask me, and he's beyond ruthless.
@@MFgabesylar3030 Last I checked Palpatine is white.
Lot of white people at the "totally not the Nuremburg rally" First Order gathering in TFA.
Compared to the average person you might as well be a Newtype
You’re absolutely right lol crazy just watched the last episode
@@MFgabesylar3030 how many people actually forgave Vader aside from Luke?
She’s such a bad character that the other inquisitors hate her
Sooo true
You know it’s bad when one of the team rocket inquisitors from rebels is more competent at his job than you
5th Bro look like a Much Coolar Antagonist than Turdy Here.
That's probably all part of their efforts to make us 'sympathize with her'.
@@conradojavier7547 True. I wish I could say it's better to have original characters, but I swear, this is starting to change my mind
Reva’s actress plays the character like she is playing a DMV lady with a chip on her shoulder.
I'm not an American and will never go to the DMV, but I now have this image of her looking at me through horn-rimmed glasses over a counter.
She looks at the form in front of her, looks at me and shakes her head. At that point, I know I'm doomed.
@@chrisgibson5267 As an American, this is more or less exactly the authentic experience.
Or a local County Courthouse Employee who got annoyed you asked her for a form to fill out….
"Sir! Sir, grab a ticket stub and put your mask back on! REEEEEE!!!
@@chrisgibson5267 For someone who's not American, you've NAILED it! LOL
Now that Reva has Leia personally, I'm almost positive Leia will be the one to put Reva on the road to redemption, and not Kenobi.
Yup.
Why would a man do anything meaningful or worthwhile in Disney Star Wars?
Oh god, you’re so right. I really wanted Revas motivation to be that she was filled with hate after witnessing Anakin kill her friends, so she’s been learning all she can, and doing anything necessary to get close to him so she can exact her revenge… like a tragic character fuelled by trauma and rage, with no hope of redemption, just pure vengeance story. Unfortunately I think you’re much more likely to be right and they’re gonna be like yeaaa she’s good now.
For the sisterhood!!
@@esharp86 It would be nice if it were Gus Fring style approach, but at this point, I doubt the writers are that creative.
Disney: "Reeva is the hero!!"
People With Common Sense: "You sit on a throne of lies."
More like satan's throne
@@crisrustaaad4496 Adrenochrome
I understand that reference
@@crisrustaaad4496 💯💯💯💯
Reva is actchually the most powerful force user ever, having self taught herself to break the fourth wall to read the script to know where to look for hideouts, and having the ability to teleport from one end of a tunnel to another.
And here I was, thinking I was the only one completely turned off by that. Told my wife I could no longer watch the show after that episode.
I think the actress coming out and saying "I'm someone young girls can look up to" despite playing an evil character is indicative of the mentality behind this and explains why it's so bad. She doesn't even think of herself as the character, she only thinks of herself as the actress. A proud, black actress. How can you be a good actor if you don't even think of yourself as the character you're playing?
I agree with what everyone else is saying about the show and character, but this is honestly kind of dumb because you are merging the actress and the character she is playing into one entity. There is nothing wrong young girls looking up to a successful actress who happens to be playing a villain right now.
@@thenightingale7405 So you want little boys to look up to Darth Sidious?
@@kagetsuki23 Ian McDiarmid is a fine role model for a kid who wants to go into acting. He was the best thing about the prequels. Nothing wrong with looking up to actors that portray villains.
@The Nightingale
Yeah, no.
Kids look up to the characters actors play, not actors themselves.
She either said that 'cause she knows they will devilify her or is delusional
Whenever an actor says something along the lines of "I think this show is going to bring the most diversity we have seen to Star Wars", that instantly leaves the bad taste of a political agenda in my mouth, I went to see Top Gun: Maverick yesterday and loved it, it was so refreshing to watch something that didn't try to shove a political message down your throat
Vader was only redeemed in Luke's eyes, but that was enough for Anakin to let go of his hatred for himself. Leia (and the galaxy) never forgave him. Disney writers don't seem to get that part. You can't just absolve a character like that. Was Ben Solo ever actually forgiven by anyone? It was just "oh yeah he's light side now"
In legends leia actually eventually forgives anakin. Especially when he was begging to be as his force ghost and i think lukes words bout how he was saved by their father and then looked into his past as anakin and saw the good man he used she was able to forgive him to a degree. She did name their son after him to be fair.
That’s a really good point. I never really thought about that until you brought it up. It makes me appreciate the original trilogy more.
No it was only Rey, Han and leia that saw good in ben solo. There is no way everyone would say yeah no problem to the guy who killed thousands of innocent people and watched as star killer base destroyed planets
Exactly. Well said.
Kylo Ren's fangirls forgave him
So Rey has the force with no training at all, and Kenobi loses it as soon as he stops training? Jesus Christ this shit has gotten so dumb. 🤦🏻♂️
Exactly. We are talking about one of the most by-the-book and experienced Jedi masters on the Jedi Council, he didn’t survive Order 66 by being stupid. All I wanted was to see Kenobi communicating with Qui-Gon through the force as Yoda had taught him.
@@thatperformer3879 They had a 10+ year window to pick a setting for an interesting story. They chose/created a starting point where Obi-Wan was pathetic. That's where we are at. They chose to have a weepy character instead of a heroic adventure. It's ridiculous how much they hate the legacy characters. Their only value is bait.
"tHe fOrCe iS fEmAlE wAhmAn sTrOnK" -disney exec
@@thatperformer3879 - not only that! He’s the only Jedi on the council to have actually defeated a Sith in battle. They totally skipped his Jedi Knight test because he defeated Darth Maul. And if you feel so inclined, you could add that he also defeated Darth Vader on Mustafar. Obi-wan was the only Jedi Master on the council in this era to do this.
@@umiluv plus he killed Greivous who killed who knows how many Jedi in personal combat?
Whats so insanely weird to me is that Obi-Wan has been training as a youngling in the jedi temple, at the age of 13 he became a padawan of Qui-Gon, He is a Clone war veteran and not to mention a general in the clone wars and he is a jedi master. He has known nothing but the force for his hole life and has been training and fighting his hole life. How the hell did he just forget everything just like that???? Does disney even know who this character is?
This 1000%. He would never give up on the Force if he actually cared about it. It’s totally illogical for Obi-wan to give up on the Force willingly. If he did it to protect Luke, that makes a lot more sense. Not because “he has ptsd.”
He wouldn't hold onto "quitting the force" to the point of allowing Vader to burn him alive.
@@OmegaPoint042 I totally agree, this just isnt Obi-wan i refuse to believe it. The guy who we saw and loved in the prequals and the clone wars series is nothing like this imposter that we see in this show. Like the difference is litterly night and day between these characters. People come to watch this show to see the character they loved but i guess thats to much to ask. Now we get a totally new character who litterly cant do anything anymore and gets bossed around by a 10 year old. Its so crazy but not a suprise since i could smell this shit a mile away when they announced Obi-wan that it was gonna be a shitshow.
The way I percieve to see it is not that he's forgotten how to do any of it. Obi-Wan is struggling with doubts of being able to do anything right. All that has been keeping him going is the boy he was tasked to watch over. I find no reason why he couldn't be weakened in the Force, between his extreme anguish, and need to keep his powers hidden. Not to mention his battle with Anakin leaving Ben with a wound in the Force, like what happened to Revan, the Jedi Exile Meetra, and more recently Cal Kestis and Kanin. Peoples connections to the Force can weaken and strengthen with enough internal and external turmoil.
@@Qirei1221 because apparently people don't change over time. How long has it been for Obi since ROTS? Are you the same person you were years ago? I know I'm not. But apparently once you hit a certain age you become static and never change.
You know what would have been a better character arc for Reeva?
Have her corner Obi-Wan... tell him that she wants to kill him for failing the Jedi and to please her master, Darth Vader...
Then have Obi-Wan be the one to tell HER that Darth Vader is Anakin... the guy who literally slaughtered her fellow younglings...
Have her realize he's telling the truth and then send her off to confront Vader... in which Vader ultimately takes her out...
But then that means a male character has any positive impact or agency, yuck.
When grown men couldn't easily catch Leia, I knew this was a bad show.
The very first scene with her running away was so stupid... The bandits literally stood there and watched her start running.
It was like watching old school looney tunes or Tom and Jerry
@@lurker993 exactly. And the shots of her running from Obi-Wan were so bad. She didn't even look like an average 10 year old.
@@O4C209 Seriously, she looks and talks like a 6 year old. I've known plenty of 10 year old kids that look and speak older than her, and are also a lot more athletic (some of my nephews who play sports are actually quite fast)
But but but-- she used the force to run away! You're just a casual fan.
Yoda at the end of revenge of the sith: "Obi Wan, in your solitude on tatooine, training I have for you"
Obi Wan in the series: Not trained in the force in 10 years
Fans: ... ?
I guess he procrastinated for 10 years on his homework lol "nah, I'll get to it later"
Being hunted and trying to keep under the Inquisitors radar will do that to you. Do you think Dr Richard Kimble (the Fugitive) was keeping up with the latest medical procedures whilst on the run from Tommy Lee Jones?
@@JCDenton3 Just like Owen procrastinated on painting his roof for over 20 years.
Vader when he met Obiwan: Our long awaited meeting has come at last, when I left you I was but the learner now I am the master"
The series: Vader and Obiwan meet and he fucks Obiwan while Obiwan runs like a coward
Fans: the fuck is this bullshit?
Now this is what I was saying, the way the force is used in general, obi should be training and should be super in tune with force since you’re practicing talking to qui gon, and everyone just uses the force to push stuff, there’s no range and we’ve seen like 6 force users already
Sometimes in TV shows a side character would steal the show, usually rather unexpectedly. What Disney has been trying to do is to deliberately replicate that so their self-created characters can emerge.
There's only 1 Disney character that's free of the Disney scorn, BB8.
Like Saul Goodman. Killed it and deserves spin off. Disney wants to just sell things.
There was a character, Karsi, in Game of Thrones' season 5 that appearead only in one episode (Hardhome). She had less than half an hour of screen time and yet she instantly became a fan favorite. The thing is, the actress knocked it out of the park...
You're right, and even more than that, their main method for this is to ruin the legacy protagonists. To turn them into irrelevant buffoons. They could just as easily be promoting new characters while giving everyone feel-good, affectionate sendoffs for the old characters. But the shows demonstrate little but contempt, if not open hate, for the old protagonists (apart from Leia - though they bastardized her character by turning her into a comic-book superhero).
You mean like Urkel?
My thoughts exactly:
Reva is getting the Holdo treatment, written like the villain, but treated as the hero
Obi-wan is getting the Jake Skywalker treatment, compelled to action by his "betters" whereas before he was (somewhat) peerless.
To see this played out over multiple franchises (and not just Star Wars titles) has become mind-numbingly torturous.
Only now, near the end of all things do I ever regret becoming a geek.
You might want to avoid Star Wars in the future. Along with Star Trek, Terminator, Men In Black, Doctor Who, DC/Marvel, Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, Foundation, Coca-Cola, D&D ...
"You can't ruin Vader"
Disney: "Hold my beer"
It was obvious that he was downgraded to a secondary/recurring character role the moment he appeared.
Lack of Vader's iconic theme music = no Vader, just a cosplayer pretending Vader is weak.
Disney: "Hold my green milk"
@@pwnmeisterage 💯💯💯💯
The fact they have doubled, tripled and quadrupled down defending any criticism of this character under the accusations of racism, shows how desperate they are make you love her. No matter how awful a Space yarzi she is.
You can’t spell Reeva without REEEEEEE!
Yeah, I think the actress and LucasFilm have forgotten the fact that the character works for the white empire that wields MG-34s, fighting an ethnically diverse group of rebels.
Funny, that sounds familiar, doesn't it?
@Cyberleader Andy Cmon man. You´ve got to know the difference between criticizing a character and criticizing the actor that plays that character. They are defending the criticism of the actor. She has been called some horrible things by people, and these guys are acting like defending her is some kind of marketing strategy by Disney.
@@darknessking24 yea exactly. I feel like this whole thing is drawing out a bunch of closet racists.
SJWs always double down, as the book says
Riva saw the script and knows she can get away with pretty much anything until the final episode, if it wasn’t for her plot armour the other inquisitions would have ran her through with a lightsaber in the show’s first opening minutes.
Reva has more plot armour than the US Army has kevlar.
i was pitying them unable to do anything to rev because they are owned by disney 😔
How the hell they justify Reva killing the Grand Inquisitor when he was alive in Rebels is beyond me
@@DragonmasterCire "Grand Inquisitor somehow returned"
Absolutely! Plot armor sucks.
You know what, after watching Obi Wan Kenobi, it really made me think "Oh! You know who should get their own show?!"
Obi Wan Kenobi should.
I've said it and I'll keep on saying it - they should have just adapted John Millar's "Kenobi" novel.
@@SpaceJawa Why would they do that now after scrapping all of George Lucas's notes?
That would be a great idea! He’s such an interesting character in this show and I would love for him to have the spotlight.
When he started talking about his past i thought we were gonna get a flashback or some shit and Outta nowhere we get to see the son of his brother who trains and carries on his legacy as a Jedi. That'd be epic
The idea that GENERAL Kenobi, a hardened and experienced Jedi KNIGHT, would completely forget how to fight because he's sad is, well... sad.
How exactly was Obi Wan supposed to "protect the boy" without any powers, lightsabers, or connection to the force? I can somewhat understand it being 10 years and he's a little rusty, but if someone came for Luke that day, how was he going to protect him? He was watching and then what... call up Yoda? He wasn't prepared to protect anyone in the state he is in.
The whole premise of Obi-woke Kenobi is trash. How can you spend your life training to master a thing and then just forget it. The whole thing makes 0 sense.
I suppose you could argue turning away from the force meant he couldn't be tracked down. I am willing to let that slide tbh.
Star Wars fans are funny nowadays, everyone wants every detail spoon fed to them. IMAGINE - maybe he came into watching Luke with good intentions but as the Jedi faded so did his affinity to the force. And due to that he's probably been feeling the loss of his friend/little brother and everything he's ever known. But due to a background in 'jediness' he's probably not great at dealing with his emotions - hence the dreams he's having like Anakin had in the prequels. We're catching obi-wan in a funk where he's at a lull within his life. He's become as course and irritated as the sand around him that Anakin seems to hate so much. I really don't feel like this shit is mind boggling. Star Wars fans need to use their sense of wonder and imagination again.
@@MFgabesylar3030 Or they could just write sensible stories? Why do I have to infer so much when it doesn't even make much sense. Why does being a Jedi even come into him feeling emotionally drained and depressed at the thought of all the things that happend in Episode 3? Sorry for expecting to not have to write their story for them.
@@PrayForTanqueray hi there! Thanks for the reply. I really don’t think it’s ‘inferring’, I just think it’s using the years of stories written to understand what’s happening. And also - Again, the original trilogy had nothing spelled out for folks and part of the fun was imaging what happening. Who’s the emperor? How did darth Vader become how he is? Why is luke such a whiny bitch haha? If the OG trilogy came out nowadays everyone would dismantle it. DESTROY IT. The very thing people say they love is what they’re against. Or at least feels like it. Part of the fun is figuring out shit and trying to understand it. Not immediately dismiss it. Hell, we barely made it halfway into the show and folks are already acting like their childhood has been robbed.
The character has no reason to exist... Everything "evil" she does could have been done by Vader, and anything "good" she ends up doing could be done by Obiwan.
... Hey yeeeeah!!! JFC.
You just don't want a black character. You can hide it behind "oh I don't like the writing," but your just a simpleton and a racist.
Reminds me of book of boba fett where Fennec acts like boba should...
Disney wants to sale merchandise to young girls whom don't care about Star Wars. It's another Rose Tico situation.
Vader doesn't get his hands dirty as much or investigate that much
I literally only watch 1 - 2 films a year - nowadays I honestly prefer just listening to these guys talk about them - way more entertaining and efficient!
Oh yeah playing a fun video game and listening to mauler and friends rip apart films is so much more fun than actually watching a film.
Same
Hundreds a year?
@@harvy68 Why are you so surprised by this my dude? This is the consequences of being disappointed over, over and over to the point you just stop caring at all, tis literally aint a issue with op but with the "entertainment", industry itself
I'm mostly catching up on my backlog lately.
It's also funny you used the word efficient, cause films are getting so long, you can't simply watch them at the end of the day or in the middle of the afternoon without taking some time for it, everything is two hours and a half long these days.
When Vader says to Obi Wan in Star Wars "the circle is now complete" he's referring to Mustafar "when last we met I was but the learner". That was his last lesson from his old Master. There is no other battle between the two in the interim. People are making the wrong assumption that this is a blank that this show is needed to fill in.
When Vader says "Obi Wan once thought as you did" he's not suggesting that there's some meeting between the two in the interim between films in which Obi Wan tries to turn Anakin back to the light side. He's again referring to Mustafar when Ben pleaded with Anakin to stand down, not some off-screen adventure that this show needs to invent. These lines as we know them are already self-explanatory.
I have been arguing this for two days good sir. May the Force be with you!
I’m glad I’ve finally found a comment covering this. Thank you, good sir!
Exactly. Lucas already answered all these references in Episode III. He tied everything up in a nice bow rather than having important events happen in that 20 year gap. Everyone is where they end up in ANH (which is kind of boring but makes it easier on Lucas to try to make the saga cohesive)
Finally someone finally makes this comment. I’ve been thinking this since the start of the show! How can Anakin be the learner when he’s been Vader for 10 years now. What a joke of a show.
Thank you sir!
You knew this is the shit they were gonna pull when they gave her an actual name when none of the Inquisitors have one. It's bullshit that Disney labels every criticism as racism when it's pretty clear that nearly all of the fans hate the writing. You destroyed a beloved character to big up another...for what?
I feel like the master inquisitor (the one that naively get himself killed eventually) had an better character arc, and was the better good guy than the obnoxious riva character.
“This is no way to create art and stories. It adds nothing. It has no soul. It is a lifeless puppet strung up by a cash-hungry marrionettist in a bit to profit from the cheap thrills of the children of a bankrupt age. It doesn't honor the past -- it debases it for our shallow pleasure. We, this world, and these characters deserve so much better than this.”
My problem with Reva is that the concept of her character has already been done, and done much better, in Jedi: Fallen Order.
Or Ventress to some extent
@@VarunKumar-ro4ll Agreed. Reva needs some sort of spark to come across as a halfway decent character. I've loved the portrayl of Obi, Leia, and Vader so far, but I need to be convinced on Reva. Even Trilla and Cere are SO MUCH MORE compelling than Third Sister
I called them turning Reva into the hero of the show back when the actress was all "We want young girls to look up to her". I mean, wut? She's the bad guy, the villain, why would you want kids looking up to her? Unless this was her accidently letting the cat out of the bag on the fact SHE'S gonna turn into the hero, sidelining Obi-Wan and proving herself to be better and gooder than he ever was?
Luke's (and Leia's) entire existence is going to hinge on Reva's 'goodness'. Making Reva critical in importance to the entire franchise. That's their intent. Luke wouldn't have gotten to accomplish all his heroic deeds without the benevolence of Reva. Poor Obi Wan is lost and clueless without Leia's guidance, and Reva's change of heart.
every villain is the hero of their own story. clearly she is the hero of hers.
dont be too proud of yourself, everyone saw this coming
Another Diverse Female Space Jesus. That's where this is going.
Nothing says hero like chopping someone's hand off just to make a point.
The fact they had to get Ewan McGregor to make a statement defending her, because fans like him, just shows how bad she really is.
"Hey guys quit picking on her"
The white male savior to the rescue! 🙄
The actress shouldnt get shit on using racist remarks, its because of people on internet like these that constructive criticism is not taken seriously anymore, any criticism of Reva will be seen as white noise from closet racists.
@@revu34 lol didn't think about that
you wanna see me bully her again? lmao
I mean she was getting horrendous racist abuse, which is never acceptable.
It's almost like when you spot a female or POC in trailers, you know it's going to be a bait and switch. Obi will get sidelined in his own show too, like every other white male character these days.
It's obvious they will try a redemption arch with Reeva, because they:
1) need you to like her
2) a woman has to be the hero these days, we can never have white male heroes anymore
3) the black person can't be a villain...
It's just predictable and annoying. I'm also getting a bit tired of all the greyzones; villains with redemption archs. Every character gets washed out and the same, both evil and good. Like we are supposed to overlook all the horrible things they've done. I miss some lighter stories, where the heroes and villains are clear, and good wins in the end.
"Uses female as a noun"
Virgin detected
Me too.
I’m fine with redemption as long as their wrongdoings are acknowledged and possibly not forgiven
Other Inquisitors: Use the force for intimidation and discipline
Reva: Uses the force to do outdated parkour “tricks” that aren’t even impressive while an old man makes more distance simply jogging.
Riva is the Inquisitor woman, right? My main issue is: The Inquisitors were shmucks who hunted younglings and padawans, who somehow survived the Jedi Purge. She isn't suitable for a villain in a show about a Jedi Master. Obi-Wan is THE best duelist in the galaxy and a very powerful Force user. He could defeat her with his eyes closed and a finger in his ass.
The EU had an Order 66 survivor come to Tatooine as he is the son of a Tusken Raider and eventually assumes control of a tribe. They then start attacking settlements and cities, but once their aim is pointed at Owen and Beru’s moisture farm, Kenobi steps in front and challenges the Jedi. This Jedi being a dual wielding master loses a hand to Kenobi and is rebuked for the dark path he chose. This Jedi’s name was A’Sharad Hett and his story did not end there.
This show is a massive missed opportunity lol
But kenobi hasn’t used the force in 10 years 🤓
Yoda
@@Capybara2240 But Rey suddenly developed super adept master level skills, as an adult, with no knowledge or training while someone who trained from childhood to master level forgets everything after a decade?
@@knotengajin7359 I know it’s stupid af
She's 100% gonna turn the good. They didn't cast a diverse actress and have her be a villain. Anyone paying attention to Hollywood for the last decade saw it coming from the second she was cast.
Also, her costume design is following this trend where strong female action characters all need to have padding on the sides of their shoulders to make their silhouette broader and more masculine looking. It's like they're acknowledge women are physically weaker and know they have to try to trick you into forgetting that fact by giving them manly frames.
Every time I see Reva all I can think is that they already did this character better with Trilla from Fallen Order. She was a way better villain, had better motivation, was more threatening, and on top of all of that she was extremely feminine.
@@nuyabuisness7526 Yeah Trilla was an absolute beast and a great character, she posed a credible threat to Cal, whereas Reva should get absolutely dismantled by Obi Wan so poses no threat, she's just childish.
Lol yeah good point with the shoulder padding
Basically, diverse hires (especially black people) are two time,double crossing traitors. Wonderful writing lucasflim.
Finn -traitors
That black girl trooper- traitor
that BF2 chick- traitor
Reeeeveee- traitor
Funnily enough, Gina had that as well, but it was COMPLETELY unecessary, right? But we can’t have wrongthink in our castmembers. Better throw her aside, good talent though she was.
Leia Organa's true identity is known to no one in the Empire until Vader sensed it in Luke's emotions in Return of the Jedi. Vader even captured her in Star Wars and had no idea she was his daughter, and neither did she! He was looking for the stolen plans to the Death Star. Leia has no excuse whatsoever for being the focus of the Obi-Wan Kenobi show. Furthermore it violates canon to suggest that any Imperials would know if and where Obi-Wan was laying low, and he would never risk even being seen in public with Lars Owen, as his primary mission was to HIDE the boy, not to watch over or protect him. Presumably he would only need protection if he failed to stay hidden, which didn't happen until the Empire's search for the missing droids collided with Luke's boring home life, sparking a great adventure that would eventually bring him to Vader's attention.
This 1000%. This show retcons OT which is just heretical.
The difference is you care about the story.
These clowns don't. At all.
They care about "the message"
Owen Lars.
Except “Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi. your my only hope”. So she knows Kenobi at a personal level. Leia might not know who she really is, but she can be the focus of the the mini-series if she learns of and respects Obi-Wan as a hero. They have to have met somewhere before the OT and she has to know who he really is and where he is.
Not saying its the best plot line here but I have no problem with her presence in the series.
@@jeffreyschnedar8020 No, she knows OF him. Full speech "General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to present my father’s request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack, and I’m afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You’re my only hope."
Reva unfortunately is very distracting to me.
Every time we focus on her, it murders the pacing. I hate whenever I am actually enjoying what’s going on with the show and then the scene moves to her and I’m not enjoying it anymore. Her writing is really bad and she’s not directed in a way that makes her threatening or menacing to Obi Wan.
I don’t mind the newer characters that much because their presence doesn’t really distract me. I like Haja. I like Tala. I like Roken. I even like this new take on the Grand Inquisitor. They don’t take the attention away from Ewan. But sadly Reva does and I just don’t think she fits in with this show at all.
Agreed. Reva is not a compelling character whatsoever. Even Agent Callus from Rebels is more compelling than her.
@@mug9591 And it sucks because I would have LOVED it if Reva was as threatening of a presence as the show tries to make her out to be.
Watching this in hindsight it actually shatters my soul on how accurate this is
What the hell has Disney done to the empire? They have gone from a extremely efficient, cold and calculating, and nearly emotionless and faceless dominating presents. To a barely function gaggle of screaming man children, inept troops, and outright disloyal high ranking officials. It’s like no one in the entire empire believes in it or the stability it brought after the clone wars.
Depicting the empire as incomplete is also extremely unfitting as the empire’s failures in the OT nearly totally come from unpredictable wild cards.
Episode IV: the child of the most powerful Jedi of the republic that no one had any reason to believe even existed lands a perfect shot using the force after being trained only slightly from a near totally dead order the empire stomped out. After the rebel attack on the Death Star was nearly completely destroyed down to less then half a dozen ships by the end.
Episode V: the empire has the rebels cornered in a ship with a nonfunctional hyperdrive, but R2 who came with Luke just barely gets the Falcon back up and running barely escaping.
Episode VI the empire’s trap is ruined as the native populations Endor garrisons the rebels on the planet in a surprise attack, a suicide attack gets lucky and takes out the flag ship, all while Vader who Palps has every reason to assume was completely broken into total loyalty and to him makes a last second decision to save his son.
Episode 6 is the weakest in terms of it as the empire should have no real trouble with the Ewoks, but the empire fails more often then not in the OT because crazy wild cards happen to them. Not because everyone is incompetent or a petulant child.
Episode 6 with the ewoks was supposed to be an allegory for the Vietnam War.
@@kylebradley3 if that's true, then it was a shitty allegory. The NVA were not little teddy bears with primitive weapons, they were supplied by the Soviet Union with AK-47s, tanks, surface-to-air missiles and more. They were a modern military force. And they supplied the Viet Cong, too. Sounds like a load of shite.💩
@@kylebradley3 most of Star Wars was especially if you look at first drafts and the very first novelization, but that did get rewritten. Granted the Ewok thing comes across as weak because we are explicitly show the empire had elite troops and a ton of equipment on Endor. We even see AT-ATs that just vanish during the battle. But even at its weakest the OT makes the empire failing on Endor make some sense.
@@monekyinapanzer7357 They do explain the missing walkers in the film. The commander that brings Luke to Vader asks for and receives permission to take his ATAT away to search for Luke's companions. Presumably he was hours away doing his search when the rebel attack begins.
EDIT That said there are still a couple of dumb things on Endor; Why does the garrison not go to full alert as soon as the shuttle carrying the rebels doesn't land at the base but instead lands a days walk away? Also, when they do capture the rebels, why take them outside the base instead of holding them inside? The empire would have won if they'd just kept the rebels in a secure holding cell or a storage bay or something.
@@Akm72 Or just killed them on the spot, which is what you would do as an efficient, evil empire that trusts in it's military power. But one has to allow for some plot convenience. A movie trilogy about an unopposed empire slowly falling apart due to inner corruption and infighting between rivaling power factions wouldn't have room for a nice, romatic hero-story ;)
She's a awful actress too, her scenes break the immersion for me
Her actress and performance is just bafflingly bad
She acts like some College Level actors I have seen...
I wouldn't say it's the acting- it's the lines she's given.
She was essentially told to be "angry black woman"
@@Darkdaej I suspect a combination of both
It looks like she's pretty new to the acting game, a handful of credits on her IMDB only going back like 4 years. I've only seen her in 'The Queen's Gambit' and she was fine, but she has a bigger role here than she did there. That and the cast around her in her scenes hasn't been as strong to cover up her inexperience.
You can have an "evil" character that has characteristics which make them good to watch. This woman is just completely unwatchable. Her acting sticks out like a sore thumb because she's SO WOODEN.
It is like watching a petulant 2 year old having a temper tantrum.....that is NOT acting.
Like Gina, but much worse.
@@volumedealer2716 At least Gina was entertaining
I laughed out loud at her line delivery when she opened the door and found the kidnappers coughing from the spice. It was right there that I just thought, "Yeah, she's just a horrible actress." Such a simple line that couldn't even be delivered properly
I dont think the acting is as much of an issue as that god awful script and the pedestal they put her on.
"They don't have the writing skill" I would argue that they lack the actual understanding of character, Integrity and redemption to write a good redemption story. They know how to sling platitudes and pop cultural values, but essentially the characters they idealize are shallow and unrealistic. About as meaningful as a puff of smoke in the wind.
The funniest part of the series is the forest chase with Leia. I am instantly imagined the Benny Hill theme song for that bit
I’m beginning to truly believe there is a an intent to sow racial division. Why else would there be a need to purposely ruin so many loved franchises with a character with certain specific characteristics. In terms of racial hate, there has been an increase in demand and not enough supply, so this all seems so artificially created in order to make a world view, where the puppet masters are the virtuous, into a reality.
To find out who controls you, simply discover who you are not allowed to criticize.
The poison of Ghostbusters 2016 is still felt to this day.
That's right, the narcissists think they can trick you into hating yourselves. Clowns should stick their noses back into their wallets and stay counting their millions of stolen money. RIP society
It definitely feels pretty contrived the whole “racist fans” story, trolls aren’t new and I don’t see what calling them out will do
This is partly true, but I'd say the bigger component is simply the erasure of whites in media and then in reality. Despite being called the majority, the disparate European ethnicities make up barely 10% of the world's population and Coudenhove-Kalergi has had plans in place for roughly a century to render Europeans extinct in their own native homes. This is a demoralization and normalization process to make people okay with no longer seeing white people in the stories they created, filmed on technology they invented, in countries they founded and died to defend.
If they try to make it to where Reva is mad at Obi-Wan for “abandoning” the Jedi and younglings at the temple it will make absolutely no sense. Obi-Wan and Yoda literally went to the temple to try and save people after the attack started and found everyone dead. They did everything they could to save lives not abandon Jedi, they were blindsided like everyone else.
Obi-wan was also on a different planet when order 66 started.
Its all a ploy to blame the white man for not being omnipresent during Order 66.
@@androblade3009 As was Yoda; Kashyyyk.
Did you peek at the script? That's EXACTLY what it was
We're in a period of time where "Strong Female Characters" that replace every male character, need the opportunity to show everyone it's a bad idea, then we can put it to rest once and for all.
@Jamie Pritchard That's finally going to start hurting them in a year or two when their ESG money dries up. Once they're no longer picking your pocket and getting paid from your taxes whether you subscribe or not, they'll actually have to try making good stories again. Of course, since they have no good writers anymore...
A simple problem that may just solve itself in a few short years. Mainstream movie goers will get tired of watching terrible actresses performing unbelievable roles poorly, and some director will come out with some new, well written, well directed, well acted male-led cast, get rave reviews as a breath of fresh air in a stale market, and the money will do the rest. All these folks developing this kind of media will look at the money their competition starts raking in, and be forced to follow suit to stay financially relevant.
'Social justice' is convenient to big business and celebrities only as long as it doesn't hurt their profit margins. When it buys them privilege and power, they embrace it. When it threatens their big money, they hush it up and push it aside. Exactly the story with Netflix.
Thank you for talking about this. No idea why all the reviews are so good
You guys are out there sacrificing your imaginative dignity on our behalf. I salute you. My life feels freer now. But how much longer can you suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous Disney?
Can I just point out they’re probably just stealing the second sister’s story for Reva?
For the love of God. Just pin this comment Drinker. Anyone who's seen or played Fallen Order knows where the show is going to go.
Exactly! Beat for beat
@@Zathren I didn’t get into fallen order (mostly the gameplay, the story was great) but it’s going to suck seeing them just stealing a better character’s story for their shitty new one
@@lonewolf9578 it’ll be nice to see Vader kill her
They probably are
They hired her due to her sex, race, and they focused on those things. So why is it wrong to criticize those subject when those were the defining characteristics that were focused on?
Bc its ok for them to do it. Its not ok for US to do it.
they hire an otherwise decent actress because she checks boxes, it's disgusting but probably true
If it's good enough for a Supreme Court Justice or a Vice President, why shouldn't it be okay for Darth Vader?
@@RedHeadKevin You know, you make a good point...and it's funny that every case you mention is run by people who are pure evil.
How do you criticise someone’s race or gender? That’s literally racist and sexist. You can criticise the writers and directors for pandering and choosing her based on race and gender rather that acting skills. You can criticise tokenism and forced diversity in modern Hollywood and you can criticise them for creating such a dislikable character and giving her so much importance in a show that’s not about her but you can’t literally criticise her skin colour and gender, that’s messed up🤨 the issue isn’t the fact that she’s black or that she’s a woman. The issue is that she’s a horribly written character with no likeable characteristics and she’s a Mary Sue, it also doesn’t help that she’s a mediocre actress. I hate tokenism and forced diversity. Don’t get me wrong diversity is a good thing but Hollywood does it in the most pandering and political charged way possible and it makes something that’s supposed to be good... well kinda sh*t. With that said from the first three episodes I’ve seen nothing in her character that gives off these pandering vibes. Nothing about her character has anything to do with feminist agenda, wokeness, BLM or anything along those lines so I honestly don’t get why you’re bringing race or gender into it. She’s a terrible character who happens to be a black female. Her blackness and femininity plays no role in being so dislikable. If she was to keep making comments about how it’s unfair being a female inquisitor compared to the guys or starting rambling on about how being a black inquisitor is hard then I’d understand but like I said neither her race or gender has any significance in her character
I'm calling it. The next big Star Wars project is going to be a "Remaster and Remake" of the OT Star Wars Trilogy. "Because we want to represent the fans and give the series the treatment is deserves. Updating and expanding the show that you love."
Christ I hope I'm wrong, but tell me you couldn't see this happening.
Its best not to think about it, at all.
With a just a few a modern updates. The Empire is now a college fraternity. The Rebellion are all strong female characters that are gonna smash the galactic patriarchy, ya know...really keeping the spirit of the OT intact...Also Luna Skywalker was always trans, they just didnt come out and say it because you are all bigots.
I laughed my ass off when the guy with asthma who has a machine that constantly makes sound snuck up perfectly quiet on a Jedi master and then when striking made a very loud breath sound. It was just goofy lmao
Xena Warrior Princess is an example of a character that did horrific things in her past but found redemption. A primary antagonist is Callisto, whose parents Xena burned to death. Callisto has every right to seek vengeance against Xena. Eventually Xena actually braves hell itself to rescue Callisto's soul so she can get to heaven to be with her family. The fact Xena was a bloodthirsty psychopath in the past is brought up again and again, and the whole show is about her seeking some kind of redemption for her deeds. Xena is an example of a tragic female hero character done right.
What annoys me the most, is that the fight between Obi Wan and Vader on the Death Star, is supposed to be the first time they have fought since Obi Wan bested and crippled him, with Vader even mentioning that he was "but the learner" the last time they fought. However, this episode screws with this, as in this episode Vader clearly isn't Obi Wan's apprentice anymore and handily bests him. Hence it may or may not retcon a New Hope slightly.
Also, the emotional impact from that film's fight is lost if the two of them have fought before. If they have fought before and Obi Wan was only saved by some Deus Ex Machina BS, then the fight on the Death Star is not only less impactful, but Vader should be a lot more aggressive in it. As it is, he is deliberately cautious in that fight because of his memory of being crippled by his master last time.
Side note: The show also cannot give Leia a consistent character. In episode 2 of the show, the entire point of the rooftop chase is that Leia distrusts Obi Wan as he is a stranger to her. However, in the next episode, she instantly trusts the truck driver, despite never having seen him before. The sudden unexplained character shift is quite jarring.
Easy. The truck driver isn't Obi Wan. That man was a role model, clearly he is evil and must be discredited at all cost.
Terrible writing.
Are they deliberately making Obi Wan weak and stupid because he is a male? Just like they did to Luke Skywalker?
Dude that whole episode doesn't make sense. I tried to retcon it for them by saying since Leia is the daughter of a senator that she has probably had some type of training on kidnapping so to only trust a few people from their security/government/whatever.
Where that's lost is she sees the bounty on Obi Wan and goes "Oh they're really after you? You must be a bad guy too! You are somehow in on it as a double bad guy that's going to turn me back into them even though you just rescued me from them and they are only trying to kill you???"
She could have at least said "I got kidnapped because of you, it's dangerous for me to be around you so I'm going to run away". But I guess that's just too simple and makes like a little bit of sense so fk me. If she would have even just said "stranger danger!" and ran away that would have made more sense.
Then she just starts yammering off the second things cool down like nothing even happened. There is no levity to her nearly killing herself and being saved by the force. Ole Ben doesn't reprimand her and she isn't taken back by the force at all. Yet again just learning this mystical power actually exists that was just fantasy two seconds ago but who cares I'd rather be quirky and sarcastic.
Was thinking the same thing, Darth Vader was introduced too early in my opinion.
By dividing the fanbase preemptively they have created a situation in which real criticism gets painted as racism straight away, thus canceling out said criticisms. It also creates this 'two-camps' mentality where the people who feel like they have the moral high ground are SUPER forgiving of all the shows flaws and will be praising this unpolished turd to the high heavens and back just so they can stick it to the other group. Annoys the shit out of me.
"It's over, Star Wars fans! I have the high ground!"
"No you don't, you're standing on a pile of shit."
Fortunately, the success of tv shows isn't defined by criticism, but by viewer count. And people like me, who have grown weary of bad shows, have by now let go of any curiosity and will watch shows only when they come recommended by trusted sources. So as long as neither The Drinker nor two specific friends of mine tell me it's good, I'm not gonna watch. And judging from the comments there seem to be a lot of guys with a similar attitude. Which the numbers will show.
That's all they do. It's beyond pathetic with the typical "If you don't like such and such you're a racist" horseshit that gets constantly peddled by Disney and it's bootlicker brigade who still believe no matter what that they can do no wrong.
I´m feeling an actual backlash because of this "forced representation" roles.
After watching black Achilles, black female jarls, black WW2 soldiers in positions they didn´t actually filled, black british royalty, black elves, etc. I´m in a position that even a poster showing a black character keeps me from watching a movie.
Something similar with powerful women who can´t smile, every time I see a poster of a "stunning and brave" character I just don´t want to watch the movie.
It´s really sad, because I´m not racist or sexist, I really enjoyed lots of female and black character in old films, but just a hint of a movie preaching "the message" keeps me from watching.
You're absolutely right, I'm black and even my friends call me whitewashed because I don't like inaccurate or clearly forced portrayals 😂
Black British royalty is actual history, and elves are imaginary. I can't speak to the WW2 soldiers, but I'm gonna just doubt u did enough research to confirm your sentiments. I dunno mang... I don't wanna be programmed either, but u sounding a lil sus.
Not wanting to watch a film cuz a black person is on the poster.... SHEEEEESH
Perfectly put Sir
That’s why Top Gun: Maverick is so good. Can’t wait to watch it again and erase this garbage show from my mind.
@@thatperformer3879 It's why _Cobra Kai_ never died.
"Killing" characters in prequels is like sending a T-800 back in time to kill John Connor. Change the past to destroy the future. It's the fastest way to terminate a franchise.
By Disney's logic, the only reason people didn't like Jake Lloyd or Hayden Christiansen was because they were black
Disney: Obi wan Kenobi, the guy who spent decades on Tattooine to watch over Luke Skywalker & who sneaks onto The Death Star to die selflessly fighting Darth Vader, *is now a coward because we need him to take a backseat to a Diversity Hire who ticks all the blue check boxes.*
Imagine becoming a master of the 'force' and the Jedi order. A general in the republic and then forgetting it all in a mere 10 years. It's laughable.
You just know that their writing group and KK had a bunch of plans for the character to have spinoffs, books, merchandise, etc. That's why they're pushing and defending her so hard.
I was at the local pot shop, and one of the employees made the mistake of asking me how I like Kenobi. I had my slave 1 t shirt on. Well. They regretted the question, and it was awkward.
They asked the wrong person. Lol.
What a story, man
I understand completely...
Well this aged well. And by "well" I mean "proved exactly right."
Moses in Star Wars, Michael in Star Trek...I guess female characters and actors named Noah, Mark, Matthew and John will be along soon. Luke has already been used and destroyed.
"If you don't like Reva you're racist!"
Me: a huge fan of mace windu... "if you say so..."
"Well then you must be sexist!"
Me: another fan of ahsoka and aayla... "riiiiight...."
Doesn't work that way apparently.
I mentioned the exact same thing and was told that's the TV fan version of "I have black friends"
Apparently you can still be racist and like black characters. You can still be sexist and enjoy female characters.
@Jacob Cooper well I raised the conversation that diversity hiring practices actually emboldens genuine racists because it gives them solid grounds to challenge any black person hired or cast for a job.
Nobody questioned Billy Dee Williams casting as Lando or Samual L Jacksons as Mace Windu. They were obviously perfect for the role... and frankly their skin colour was never a talking point.
But which no cast members where their skin colour is being used in promo materials and articles there's genuine cases there to ask if they were hired solely on skin colour to fill a quota and not for skill or talent.
@@garethbattersby It's spellcasting, the equivalent of "abracadabra". They don't use words to describe reality, they use words to cause a desired effect. They exist in self-induced schizophrenia.
I wonder how many more "a dude protects a child who gets in trouble" star wars shows Disney is gonna make, so far we have the bad batch, mando and now kenobi is the same shit.
This formule is so overused and bland now and I can already see it’s going to happen again.
This formule is so overused and bland now and I can already see it’s going to happen again.
@@eliminator1472 Disney hates children.
@@eliminator1472 and again
The only difference is that in the Mandalorian and in the Bad Batch it works, in Kenobi it's just awful.
Riva was written to be WAY too blunt and heavy handed with everything. As soon as she killed the head Inquisitor and returned to her colleagues to tell them that Obi-Wan killed him (I have to assume she did that because they didn't even show that very important conversation) it should have only been a matter of time before they killed her, because DUH, if they didn't they would obviously be next. SMH. The actress also gave a very wooden performance.
this is just a side note, but Grand Inquisitor isn't dead, he already has a canon death in Rebels so he has to survive being stab
@@JovashTheRed Im not sure that Disney care about the animation shows at all.
Actors are rarely really bad at their job. Actors who get to be in multimillion productions that is. But if you get a shitty director and shitty script - you just work with what you have. Even Sir Antony Hopkins is terrible in the transformers movie.
@@JovashTheRed lol the people who made this don't know that
The actress touting the character as someone to look up to just reminds me of Phasma’s actress repeating “we relate to her due to her actions and her character” ad nauseum
Your review of Kenobi is perfectly explained. Disney is totally dismantling the beloved characters in Star Wars and pushing their own political agenda. This isn’t entertainment at all. Your voice is greatly appreciated!
You just know that if they could get away with it, they would absolutely kill Kenobi in this show.
You see... Obi will die in this series. When he appears in episode IV, it was just force ghost. That's why he magically disappears when he fought Vader.
Omg they might do it....
@@kongmengyang1098 bro. Holy shit. That does sound like something they would do.
@@kongmengyang1098 Yes and they will say Yoda wasn't really still alive in Empire next and that Luke was trained by his force ghost
@Mark Pugh, no wait, the original trilogy will just be a dream.
I reckon they're going to Terminator Genesys the OT and give it a full reboot, making Luke into a secondary character.
Who wants to bet Leia or Reva gives Vader a run for his money?
Apparently, Leia can give ANY male character a run for his money.
@@kelaarin True. But they will apply it specifically to Vader, destroying his character in the process.
It's the same thing Revenge of The Sith and The 2008 Clone Wars series did to 2003's General Grevious.
First you make them a villian cliche. Then you make them kiddy clowns.
@@kelaarin I mean she beat her own brother, Luke Skywalker the greatest jedi to ever live.
@@theniceguy7824 When?
@@eliminator1472 in the rise of Skywalker. Drinker covered all this in previous videos
To quote overlord doomcock, "REEEEVA"
Yes, thank you!! I was desperately waiting your take on this 5s after her first scene, she is just not a good villain. Thanks for making this video, I can rest easy now knowing im not crazy and shes flawed as hell indeed.
The ballad of Obi Wan Kenobi:
"Brave Kenobi ran away;
Bravely ran away, away;
When Vader reared his ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled;
Yes, brave Kenobi turned about,
And gallantly he chickened out;
Bravely taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat;
Bravest of the brave, Kenobi"
Reva is unfortunately the triple crown of a terrible character: 1) poorly overacted, 2) poorly written, 3) poorly directed
I wish I could double like your comment but 🍻 mate!
@MontanaMan she is just terrible overall. Obi-wan deserves better but Disney is going to Disney
@MontanaMan I haven't rolled my eyes so much since my ex-wife was still around. The Reva acting is so shit! Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels the same. And she is the one who tells Obi-Wan about Anakin/Vader? Really it's so shit. She comes from the CW school of acting...
@MontanaMan can't blame your daughter. You've raised her well I'll finish the series but outside of that it's the only Disney Star Wars I haven't fallen asleep to. However if the future holds true ill probably say well this shit has gotten stale and ill move on like I have with JJ Star Trek. Idk what's worse. Once great franchises turned to crap.
@MontanaMan I forgot about Willow. Sigh I'd like to say it'll be saved from the wrath and LoTR I think I may not even bother. Thank you Peter Jackson for the definitive editions though!
Fingers and toes crossed. People like us have to keep up the good fight it seems. I'll go watch the Willow trailer. (I suppose Val Kilmer can't appear cause of the obvious, which is unfortunate. )
C'mon, guys, surely Reva can "set things right", just like Wanda did at the end of Wandavision!
“They’ll never know what you did for them”. 🤮
@@thatperformer3879 i think it was "sacrificed for them". Cause it was 1000 more stupid writing.
They missed a great opportunity to make something special, instead they push a random character.
They really did. And this was likely the last time we’d see Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christiansen do this together. It just breaks my heart.
Whoa.... drinker, Vader is much more powerful then as dark side anakin. That is why he stays in pain with the suit, adds to the power of the darkside. This is long established.
Wow what a surprise the drinkers have nothing good to say yet again
It's as bad, or worse, than the Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker... this show is incredibly terrible, and everyone's trying to spin WHY is it so bad? WHY do the fans not like it? It's absolute shite that's why... Disney doesn't know Star Wars, doesn't know Canon, doesn't even know how the Force works... Lucas Star Wars is Canon, and the Old EU is Canon... Disney Star Wars is a fecking disgrace... It's beyond terrible... Hacks...
It’s not Star Wars. It’s Fanfiction
Disney destroyed the "canon" calling it "legends". The Star Wars ended then
@@chasehedges6775 it socialist feminist fanfics..
Disney are referencing old British sci-fi shows by setting everything in quarries... Just with less wit, writing skill and more budget 😂
Not just Sci-fi. Redwall did it too.
Really does look like they filmed Vader vs Obi Wan round one on like a iphone 3 or something.. or it was on shaky cam.
A black female villain in Disney? No. I don’t buy it.
The Message is strong with this one.
He's gonna have a rocky training montage but the one from family guy and that's how he wins the second fight 🤣
When I first heard that they cast a black woman as a villain I said to myself: "Wow, that's a change from how they've been running things. Maybe they are getting some courage to be edgy." Now that I am hearing she will turn good and die at the end... I was naive to believe it wasn't always bullshit
I thought she was gonna be like Amanda Waller in The Suicide Squad where she was so hell-bent on her goals that she would be willing to disobey orders just to try and kill Obi-Wan Kenobi at any cost, only to get her just desserts when he eventually cuts her down in the final fight. For the first two episodes, that seemed like the direction we were headed, and I was hyped.
How foolish I was.
@@KingKayro87 What's funny about your comment mentioning Amanda Waller is that there's gonna be a DCEU TV series on HBO MAX centered on Amanda Waller, being written by a black female writer who was a staff writer for the Watchmen TV show.
How much do you want to bet that they're gonna make Amanda Waller a "sympathetic person who was turned bad by the evil white male government"?
What it comes down to is these are the arcs people today want to see because it’s all they know. They want weak characters because THEY THEMSELVES are weak. They don’t understand what it’s like to be disciplined and strong so when we see Obi-Wan indiscriminately cut Anakin down, they don’t understand what it’s like to be a man that has to do the right thing no matter the bias. They NEED Obi-Wan to be weak and for Reva to be redeemed no matter how whiny she is because it’s the only life they know. That’s why they’re ruining all our characters, is because they were strong because our parents were strong.
Hard Times create hard men, hard men create soft times, soft times create soft men, soft men create hard times, repeat *
Swap men for people, persons, humans, etc, if it troubles your sensibilities, but it doesn't change the lesson.
@@maccatt7274 One of my favorite quotes of all time.
Didn’t Obi Wan casually make excuses for his lies, so by your logic the writer and those that like them are liars.
@@SpottedHares which is a symptom of his weakness, so by my logic, if you relate, understand, and agree with his choice to do that, it’s probably because you are what you consume.
@@SpottedHares You definitely seem weak minded
She represents the ethos of bee/ell/em.....you can do all sorts of evil sh*t because of "the cause" but a little bit of good later justifies you and you are suddenly a "hero" and a role model for little black girls. Really?
Episode 4 or 5 are gonna end up being the Reva episode where we get her whole backstory. I just hope that when this happens, that the child actor playing Reva gives a better performance than Moses Ingram, which shouldn't be too hard.
Subjective
Even if this character was well acted, the dialogue in the scene where she’s taunting Kenobi in that hangar is just dreadful. It’s on par with the worst Lucas had on offer in the prequels. What’s worse is it was delivered even worse than the worst of the lines Hayden was dealt. She’s taking up so much screentime away from a proper character arc for the REASON people have had some hope left with the franchise, not Kenobi, not Vader, Ewan himself.
This man has been a godsend to the franchise and his acting ability has carried us through these first three episodes, but I’m dreading that we won’t see him overcome his regret and ptsd (which is crrtainly seems they’re going all in on).
If they don’t manage to show Obi-Wan Kenobi heading up his character path to the wise calm old master that Luke meets in A New Hope, then what was the point of doing this at all.
She has 0 presence and isn't scary at all, obi wan could instakill her
lmao what? the prequels were amazing. cut this bullshit. if you're comparing the prequels to this then they went over your head.
give the entire Star Wars franchise to Takashi Miike and let him sort it all out before we all die.
Disney: You have to like Reeva! She's awesome!
Me: Nope. Not gonna.
Disney: You don't like Reeva because your racist!
Me: Fine, I'm racist. Your point?
Disney: Then your criticism doesn't matter!
Me: You still won't get my money though.
Disney: *surprised Pikachu face*
I've tried to say this so many times, and people always say, "But she's the antagonist!", because they don't "get it". She is not a villain, she's a misunderstood hero. She is definitely Michael from ST:D and Clara from Dr Who. She is the new origin point.
Please don't put Clara in the same category.
Clara? An actually well acted and lovable character despite sub-par writing? Get outta here
Later...
I TOLD YOU SO! I TOLD YOU SO! I TOLD YOU SO!
@Johnah Arston Please explain to me how she is a Mary Sue since she has clearly displayed flaws to her character.
“You will LOVE her!” - Disney
"You either love Reva or you're a racist" - Disney
All Kenobi needs is to stand on one of those little sand huts and finally have The High Ground once again.
Her stand alone show is already in production
Man. With Kal Cestis, Ezra, Ahsoka, and now REEEEva running around, why was Luke needed, again?
So he could lead us to the Chosen One.....Rey. Yeah, I don't buy that bullshit. I will continue to read my Zahn books and others, aka "The Real Time Line".
@@jsbcody I was not a fan of the Zahn books-but I’d take them over ... THIS.
They’re saving her as one would save a pig from wolves only to be slaughtered for Christmas ham…classic
Pretty accurate
except the pig dies for good purpose.....
@@bowserjjumetroid3645 id use the word “good” a little more loosely considering its Disney we’re dealing with
@@madambutterfly1997 You mean by the way they define good?
@@bowserjjumetroid3645 their definition(s) contradict fundamentals of storytelling
Disney can push that character out the nearest airlock.
I know I’m late to the party but Obi-Wan and Vaders first encounter in the show looks like it was filmed in a modern construction 🚧 site
The Drinker: "You probably can bring back a character from doing horrendous things"
Kevin Spacey: I certainly hope so.