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SRAM T-Type AXS Pod Controller - Old vs NEW - Eagle T-Type Transmission GX, X0, XX, XX SL
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- The new AXS Pod Controller introduced with the SRAM Eagle T-Type Transmission, next to the old AXS Controller. The good, bad, and the ugly! #ttype #transmission #axs
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00:00 Intro
00:30 The tiny AXS Pod Controller
01:29 Compatibility, ergonomics
02:30 New Design Elements
04:08 New buttons
05:48 Button feel, communication
06:30 Functionality
07:10 Conclusions, Plans
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As always excellent review! Thank You!
Interesting information and experiences. Thanks.
I've been excited to see this deep dive vid thankyou!!!I'm curious as to which one that you like the best Marcos(old style new style).I ended up ditching the old style paddle for the rocker and that was a game changer for me and in the app I set it up just like the xt shifter that I replaced(up cassette 3 gears at a time and down 2 gears at a time).I've heard the new shifter is a bit to tactile with the button push?Cheers!!!!
thank-you. very helpful.
Can't wait to have your feedback form use on trails! 😊
You and me both😎
I was very excited until I realized my brand new canyon lux trail, that costs as much as a used car, doesn't support this. Also the price for gx set is over 1k euros Jesus christ... I want shimano to do smth like this, from my experience I like shimano brakes and even slx shifting more than all the gx/nx I had
I’m running the new XX T type transmission on my newly built full Sus. Sure isn’t cheap but it’s fantastic. I have XO cable shifting drivetrain on my hard tail which is great too but the way you can change under load is a game changer. The harder you pedal the better it shifts gear, Sram are knocking it out and the park with this. Shimano needs to catch up but tricky as the UDH was a Sram development, paving the way for this progression 👌👍
Have you tried Shimano HG+? It shifts great under load, without the need for any electronic timing. Granted I haven't tried the t-type so I can't compare.
I don't think the udh is necessary for the electronic shift timing here, just allows for a more rigid mounting interface.
@@blinky2035 Admittedly I haven’t tried the Shimano HG+ so unfortunately can’t compare either.
The UDH was obviously a Sram development that yes uses this for a stronger direct fitment and allows the cassette to be moved outboard a couple of millimetres, almost butting up to the derailleur therefore removing the need for limit screws and B screw. I’m sure Sram will have some form of patent in this interface which Shimano and others will need to get around.
Possibly a cable mechanism could be developed but the electronic axs does away with cables and clutter and shifts cleanly due to the cassette mapping.
Doesn't mean Shimano can't use UDH as the hanger if they can make a similarly solid derailleur without infringing on patents.
Great review and comparison. I own the original controller and like it. The rocker paddle was poorly designed and has play before it actually clicks.
The new pods have great functionality but they look kinda toyish looking. The aesthetics might not be for everyone.
Nice video, thanks! Value and performance minded here.. imho I'll stick with my Shimano SLX. Works so flawlessly and at such a good price point, what's not to like...
Yup hard not to like the SLX...
Excellent presentation. Should have watched it before losing the bottom cap after 2 days of using it. It looks like the red tag needs to be removed when the cap off/not installed (came installed from the factory). I have the AXS GX with the old controller, a lot easier to use vs the Pod. Actually I plan to use the old controller with the T-Type. Other than that, the X0 Eagle T-Type AXS that I have works great, changing gears is crisp and very fast, somehow it feels a lot better vs the XX1 with cable and lever.
It is new tech indeed. Evolution!😊
Please explain me what are differences between pod controller vs pod controller ultimate?
Hey I'm getting a new bike soon, it comes with XO Transmission and a wireless seatpost and I never would have picked these things but it was the only spec offered. I don't have money to throw at customization and hate wasting things, but I also never want to have to charge batteries ever for a ride for the groupset or seatpost, so what should I do? I don't want to ever pay the exorbitant prices for replacing the cassette and chain too. Can I break even paying a shop to remove and replace the xo t and axs reverb and selling them, do I even have a good chance of selling a previously installed but not used set, and what should I replace it (SLX with XT shifter the best min/max)? What would yall do in this situation? Most people have just told me they'd be jealous and would just use it, but I don't want to...
Ah I forgot, still new to this, since my wheels are built with sram drivers? I don't know if that's something that can be easily/cheaply swapped or it'd mean I'd have to get the whole wheels rebuilt to work with shimano and so I'm better off sticking with just wired gx/xo? Still so much to learn about all this stuff
I'm running the old AXS Controllers on two bikes, one is XX1 Quality, the other is GX. The difference is only the metal casing and the grey shiny look of the XX1. The haptics are exactly the same. With closed eyes, I can't say which one I'm using.
I have no deeper experience with the Transmission AXS Controllers but had my fingers on a GX and later on a X0 last week at my dealers showroom. The GX casing felt a little hollow, not a high quality feel. The X0 met my expectations, full feeling.
Now I'm wondering if there's a quality difference between GX and X0 in the latest generation ?
I have the XX SL version and the pod works great. The adjustability is great and so much better than the previous version and a plus is that it is lighter.
Thanks for sharing🤘
Im looking to trade in my rail 9.9 for the t type how well does it last, I do a lot of miles and the shifting while powering is a win for me, but Im guessing it eats chains and cassettes.
I don't think it eats chains and cassettes, why would you say that? And not enough running on it to express an opinion on longevity.
Good stuff.I can’t find much information on the front chain ring.I can’t find the front ring for my Yamaha syncdrive .
They're all listed on their website. Assume your bike is not listed? Have you reached out to a SRAM dealer? They can ask the question.
I have two bikes. One with the old AXS shifter and a brand new bike with the XX SL Sram T-Type AXS Pod Controller. I don't like the new Pod Controller at al, i have to put whit the finger on the pod, while I could just put on the old one. I replace the new Pod Controller to the old. Is it easy to change it? Thanks for your tip.
Doesn’t look like there’s a 3rd button on the back like before. That’s worth noting. Thumb has to be wrapped around the bar to shift.
Currently, I can downshift when with my pointer finger when my thumb is on top of the bar on climbs.
There is a third button...
Oh, that’s good. I can’t see it.
Is the only difference between the two new transmission pod shifters (ultimate and non ultimate) the ability to change the concave/convex buttons on the ultimate ? Thanks!
Pretty much, yeah!
I can’t get my controller pod to stop moving on the bars, tried all sorts like carbon paste, isopropyl clean etc and even at 4nm with a bit of pressure the clamp spins round, very frustrating
Maybe why Nino is using the old remote?
What about colliision with frame? My current AXS controllers just clears my top tube if bars are spun more than 90 degree, something that would happen during a crash.
Depends on the frame, bar raise, stem type etc. definitely has the potential to hit the frame just like any other shifter though
@@LoveMTB yes, but does the new pods extend lower beneath the handlebar than the old models when installed.
Have You ever tried mixing Shimano 12 speed cassette with Eagle chain? I've got a brand new XX1 chain and got a chance to get a new XT cassette for $70 but not sure if it'll work at all.
I did and it will work just fine.
@@LoveMTB good to know, cause xx1 chain is the longest lasting on the market.
@@Silkl4sh true but XTR is not bad and it gives you HG+
Are you aware of anyone making a mount for this shifter to put the buttons horizontal? I'd like this shifter with left/right buttons rather than up/down buttons.
Not at this moment no
quick question: on the mechanical as you know, one quick long press shifts thru 3 or so gears instantly. can you do the same with T-Type
Yes and you can program how many also
Nice. thanks 👍
I still haven't seen anyone mention the existence or absence of a button on the forward side of the pod controller. I use my right index finger to upshift all the time as an alternative to the thumb buttons on my 2021 Eagle XX1 AXS pod. I'm weary of watching these review videos and no one mentions whether there is an index finger button to use as an option on the new pod controller
As you can see in the video there isn’t. You do see all there is to be seen, AXS buttton plus the up/ down nothing else
@@LoveMTB I would encourage you to elaborate on this to help your audience make more informed decisions. I did notice it, but I had to look closely and quickly since it wasn't intentionally pointed out either as a flaw or a positive with the new pod. As for me, that is a big negative for the new pod
@@curveball9999 big advantage is that you can continue to use the old pod with the new drivetrain and new pod with the old drivetrain also
Is it possible to install T type to the Tallboy 4 which you have ? thank you
Not at all, TB4 has the replaceable dropouts so no room for that big hole needed for UDH
I recently got the T-Type AXS XX and the new pod controller. I find the small buttons difficult to use. I much prefer the Shimano Di2 shifters. Really this is my only complaint with T-Type system.
You can always use the old pod you know😊
I did just that. Switched to the AXS Rocker Controller. Much better. BikeRadar agreed with me that the AXS Pod controller is inferior in ergonomics and the small rubber buttons fall out.
I have a question about this pod controller. Can it also function as a dropper button if you press both buttons at the same time? On road bike brake levers from sram red or force axs you can press both buttons to drop the saddle, while they individually just shift. That would allow to save weight on the left side dropper controller.
Great point! Not sure you could press on both safely anyway, and there's no option in the configuration of the buttons for that...
@@LoveMTB thanks, thought maybe since its so tiny they might include it as a feature. Thanks for clearing that up.
@@Ropetable It is small indeed but enough space between buttons that you won't be able to press on both at the same time even if you wanted to. Plus for MTB shifting gears and operating the dropper at the same time is not uncommon.
@@LoveMTB yeah, well could have been :) its always nice to have options. The future will be to have a pod on the right and a pod on the left, the left one for dropper and axs suspension.
@@Ropetable Yup most probably
I believe the answer is yes, but does anyone know if this is compatible with the SRAM AXS Road offerings? would be a nice set up for climbing shifters
They are backwards compatible
Is compatible with reverb axs?
Yes!
The real question is do you invert the shifter buttons or not? I can't decide which way I like.
I likes the convex one at the bottom. But I know what you mean🙂
@@LoveMTB sorry I mean do you set as top to shift to easier gear or harder. Default they have it top shifts to harder (smaller sprocket).
@@AM-bl2cs default works for us better
@@LoveMTB Have you heard about people having trouble with Transmission skipping/crunching? I just did a GX t type install on a 22' SJ Evo, and have had issues with it skipping on certain gears. I re torqued the derallieur and it's better but still needs micro adjustments. There's a thread on MTBR "got-sram-transmission-got-problems-post-here" it's an interesting read, curious your thoughts and experience, might make an interesting video. To me they try to advertise it as 'setup free' ie no B screw adjustment, but they just changed how you set the b measurement..?
@@AM-bl2cs If you follow my how-to chances are everything will work! 😉 ua-cam.com/video/hT4g8HrbU6A/v-deo.html
Transmission can work ok for a wide range of micro adjustments, keep playing with that to balance up and down the cassette chain movement. And for me Shimano HG+ can be better...
could you disassemble it and show the pcb ?
I guess I could. What for?
@@LoveMTB to see the size of it , to appreciate the difference with the old shifter pcb. for what ? to see if a deported button is much more easier to do
It’s seems very cool and all but I’ll never have this 😇 cost and I don’t race . And so much to go wrong .
The pod is the only thing I highly dislike about mine it never feels right.
Same here it’s a good idea just the click/ the feel…I’m sure they must have done some beta testing with rider input for that one specific click or feel. And this is all they came up with?🤓
Looks like it was made from RadioShack parts.
Ish...
Unrelated but your profile page has a spelling issue!
Fixed, thank you!🤘
@1:12 466grams for a derailleur? 😨
is it a lot?
@@jerryx2000 Yes. My lowly XT derailleur from 12 years ago weighs 260 grams.
@@fatpinarellorider but seriously you won't note the difference while riding
@@fatpinarellorider, my old X0 weighs 190 grams. And what? My younger son riding with it, not me.
Add cable and housing to it though.
Nice vid, thanks. But for me SRAM setups are a big NO. I just can't afford it, even the mechanical ones as the cassettes are prohibitively expensive. The value proposition is nowhere in sight compared to Shimano. Maybe when I open my own Dental clinic...
The XX/ X0 drivetrain was never budget oriented, just like XTR. If I post a poll I bet my mondey 90% of users would pick SLX vs XTR
@@LoveMTB I was actually thinking of XT/SLX over GX, even GX cassettes are crazily priced IMO for the segment.
@@LoveMTBcurious how many use mechanical vs electronic
First😀
And heres your 🏅
not liking the "transmission" stuff at all.
AXS PODs are no good in my book. Lost buttons, crap brackets, and strange button placement.
Many use the old shifter for that reason
Interesting. My mechanical shifter does not need new finger pads like this one does.
This electronic crap solves like one problem, but introduces like 17 other problems
And when you crash,and it snaps off,or even completely smashes,can you fix the rear mech to a specific gear with a cable?
If you cant,this is overpriced,over engineering,id stick to a cable mech,at least you can get out of trouble by securing a gear with a cable!
And if the cable snaps? Have seen that happen. As long as the mech is fine you can ride in that gear… there is also the app on your phone which connects to axs.
You can shift the derailleur by pressing the AXS button on it, you could get home by switching gears manually through the derailleur if you break the shifter.
However, if you got a hit so bad you broke the shifter, most likely you won't be in a condition to ride home.