Why You Shouldn't Be Afraid Of Wireless Gears! | Can We Destroy SRAM AXS?
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- Mountain Bike electronic groupsets have come a long way in the last few years and with the release of the SRAM Eagle AXS system in February 2019, we saw new wireless shifting technology hit the MTB market that included the XX1 Eagle AXS X01, Eagle AXS and the more recently developed GX Eagle AXS model! Since then we've seen a lot of high-end Mountain Bikes beginning to ship with the AXS system, but more & more people are adopting the system onto existing Mountain Bikes now which begs the question - Just how tough are wireless groupsets and are they a worthwhile upgrade?
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⏱ Timestamps ⏱
0:00 - Intro
0:54 - What is Sram AXS
3:44 - Is Sram AXS waterproof?
5:54 - How durable is Sram AXS?
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The only thing I’m afraid of is the price 🧐
gx axis is pretty great
@@aidansalasin-deane7256 not $850 Canadian good tho.
Broke people problems
@@LCNismo No one's impressed by your daddy's/creditcard debt's money, duder.
@@downhillupside dont be jeleous. Maybe U Pick Ur ass Up and Look for a Job.
I'm an older cyclist that is not into abusing bikes and myself on technical trails. Strictly paved roads and tame gravel trails. My son-in-law installed the SRAM Rival AXS on my hybrid gravel bike because I ride a lot of hills. What a change! The instant, precise response, even under load is amazing. Never going back! Oh, and my son-in-law did the Tour Divide this past June riding 2660 miles on the eastern divide of the Rocky Mts and his SRAM X01 performed flawlessly.
I have the XX1 version for about a year now. It’s the best upgrade ive ever done ! I could never go back to the old non electronic gears again !!!
Ok, wasn't a believer but wow, that's some hardcore durability. I think when mine comes up for replacement the GX set is going on
Just fitted GX AXS to my Nukeproof Mega and so far it's been brilliant, so crisp and I love how it shifts instantly under load, I'm well impressed 😀 👌🏻
Just replaced my XT with GX AXS. The smooth, predictable shifting is certainly worth the money. And it kinda makes my 2018 Tallboy feel a new again.
I've installed the GX on my Specialized Stumpjumper and have an XX1 on my Kenevo SL. Best part change I have ever done an I am riding 30 years plus. Technically I cannot figure out any difference between the two systems when I am riding. I guess I would be perfectly happy with "only" a GX. Would definitely not change back. Love your channel Doddy - definitely my favourite! 😎👍🏻
I found the exact same thing after riding with the xx1 and gx. After I sold my xx1 equipped Enduro to purchase a Kenevo SL, I went with gx because it makes no realistic difference
Which Stumpy? I have the 2020 Carbon comp and have debated this upgrade, but its gonna take a whole retrofit since it ships with an SLX set up. Worth it?
Answered all the questions I had about the group set, great job! Still cant afford it, but it has been put on the wish list!
0:38 That shot really hurt me... physically...😅
Great video which perfectly shows the engineering effort gone in this products to make them this robust!
I got myself a GX AXS for my next bike build and am already quite stoked using it.
Best video this year.
Look forward to upgrading to AXS GX.
What an awesome fun Vid!
Must've been heaps of work to put all this together but I'm glad you did
💙😁
Thanks for the great video! AXS has been 100% perfect on my MTB and gravel bikes for the last few years.
Brilliant piece of kit, I have been running for over a year with absolutely no problems at all 👍👍
That was a great video. He was doing a lot of stuff you’d expect Blake to do
This review video reminded me of a Top Gear car review. Funny, quirky, educational, crazy experiments with the product. Good stuff. Subbed!
Thanks for the video, I've been considering purchasing the GX AXS upgrade kit. Seeing how well it has held up to the use/abuse of hard trail use really puts another check mark in the pros column for me. I've never really been too worried about the wireless technology, pretty much the only part that ever concerned me was if it used an encrypted signal and that is a moot point since it does.
On side note.. As a aviation mechanic in the military, I've been around electrically controlled fly by wire systems for decades. So the idea of a complete wireless braking system keeps popping into mind. On aircraft like the F-16 and others there is only a electrical signal from the brake pedals in the cockpit to the brake control valve(s) on or near the landing gear. With the miniaturization of electronics and the very low pressures(aircraft hydraulic systems operate around 3000-5000 psi) bike brakes use the valves and reservoir could be located on the caliper body itself.The big hurdle for it would be in programming in the modulation so that as you pressed more firmly the braking force would increase as well.. Like I said, a very interesting idea....If they ever want a test rider for it. I'm game!
Had GX axs for a year now and it hasnt missed a beat. shifting feels faster than cable which is hard to believe
Thank you, you answered a question I hadn’t yet asked!
Feels faster isn't very scientific, though it might be something that could still be improved mechanically.
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k may not sound scientific but it’s true. It’s faster and more consistent. Came on my road bike and I was a bit skeptical but now I’m installing it on my mtb bike.
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k Get axs and prove me wrong. I bet when you get over the price you wont look back
I upgraded my bike, not only is it faster and more responsive but each gear change is consistently great. Went from X01 cable to X01 AXS. Love it and charge the battery about once a month.
Doddy, I’m not convinced. You’re going to have to send me the GX upgrade kit in the post and let me evaluate it for a couple of years. Also, a lot for my CX bike so I can test on gravel. 😂
But for real, I’ve been planning on swapping the Deore XT setup on my Scottt Spark for AXS, and I’m probably going to use it on my Trek Crockett CX bike until it gets replaced by a Checkpoint eTap in august, and then the GX AXS will slide over to the Spark. You actually 100% addressed my remaining concerns in this video! Thanks!
I managed to get the the XX1 for my Scott Scale from lordgun (Italian bike shop) for the same price as GX in the the UK. Couldn’t be happier with the system. Same as yourself, I’m running a Shimano chain, cassette and chainring with AXS XX1 rear mech. Shifts great as long as you get the b tension spot on and micro adjust for the middle gears. LoveMTB has a great video on the setup 👍
@@Cal-Mac oh man, now I have no excuse *not* to do this. Thanks for the info and pointers!! Cheers!
Very reassuring to hear. Just fitted a GX to my hardcore Enduro build and look can’t to see how it will do!
This video came out the day I did my very first ride on my AXS derailleur. The day was wet with intermittent rain, slippery trails and lots of mud and puddles. Busted out 30km and not once did I worry about it skipping gears or not engaging properly and every gear was just there for me to keep grinding forward. I left it overnight with mud caked on it and before cleaning gave it a few shifts and BAM next gear without fail. I've had issues with cables binding in the outer housing on both derailleur and dropper post but now with both replaced its one less thing to worry about. They are definitely quality of life upgrades but the quality is mint 👌
Great breakdown of the tech. Thanks Doddy!
Great video! My Orbea Rise M10 came tricked out with ASX GX Gearing and a Rockshox ASX Seatpost. While I question the seatpost upgrade (for the money) the gears are well worth the investment. I’ve been trying to convince others in my MTB group… I shall now share your video to add to my argument! Thank you.
I have à XX1 AXS on my Orbea Oiz since 2years, Work perfect
Hi Doddy, I've just recently bought a Specialized turbo levo 3rd gen & before I took ownership of my new stead ; I upgraded from Sram GX cable to Axs & it is FANTASTIC " it's a No brainer silent, crisp shifting it's lovely to use a real pleasure !
Highly recommended!!! Game changer !!!! 👌
Amazing video Doddy :) in getting xx1 axs :) cant wait. Thanks a lot ❤
Thank you for the support! We hope you enjoy and good luck! 👊
I'm using since a couple of years, zero issue, i hit rocksmany times and i broken the hanger but the xx1 axs is always working flawless.
Thanks you for your stress tests on this wireless systems, I have been wanting them for a while now but have been holding off because I thought they may be too delicate for MTB, your tests have convinced me that they are just as strong and reliable as a wired system. Thank you from the US. Cheers mate 🍺
Your son is the perfect GMBN presenter! He speaks our language when it comes to bikes!
I've been running X01 Axs for about 10 months now it's been faultless shifting is super quick,bike looks loads cleaner to without all the cables,would never go back to cable shifting after using this set up its awesome,highly recommended.
I love my GX AXS! Awesome piece of kit!
"You don't have your cables and bars jostling around like some sort of snakes wedding" - You took me out.
This video couldn't have come at a better time. I have the SRAM AXS on my new Stumpjumper and ride in an area with lots of rocks. Where I use to go flying through I find myself hitting the brakes with the thought of "but my derailleur..." in the back of my mind. Not that I'm keen on bashing it on rocks now but I certainly do feel much more comfortable going back to my standard routine.
Had this on my orange crush for a year. Solid and reliable. Survived a few crashes too. Highly recommend
Running the X01 on my Shimano XT drivetrain absolutely hassle free, perfect shifting which is what I never had with the Shimano XT and with it's sticky clutches
Amazing video!
The first thing I did on my E-MTB, was get rid of the mechanical shifting and seat post..I have the GX and the reverb system and I am a very happy camper with the system. Im waiting for the wireless. brakes!!..Thanx for the video and your time
you might as well toss in electronic controlled steering, fork & rear shock..... or go get yourself a motocross bike or motorcycle.
Been Running GX axs for a couple of weeks now,it replaced Shimano xt 11speed set up, it works brilliantly,easy to set up,pairs brilliantly with my Garmin 830 and so far hasn't missed a beat, love the tidy cockpit it gives me too
It’s the best upgrade i have made on my bike. I recently changed my bike and a key requirement was SRAM eagle and a 30.9 seat tube so I could transfer my AXS shifter and seat post
amazin piece of kit! a actual pleasure in changin gears for the sale of it! zip zip!
Best thing I love about this content is the Yeti blue kitchen tiles👌🤘😜💥👍
I had so much frustration during a stage race with adjusting my gears that I made a big mind shift to wanting to eliminate variables. Extra admin due to a battery with the GX AXS I put on, but I am blown away!
Have GX AZS on both MTB and will never turn back. One thing you missed is that it can shift under load uphill which is great when you are not familiar with the terrain and come around a turn facing a big uphill 😃
I swapped my XTR Di2 with AXS (X01) and I'm stoked, brilliant system!...
Doddy your son is absolutely awesome. He looks like he goes 100 mph and is into everything. This is video was hilarious, informative and well done.
Hope we can see more of the little guy in future videos!
Personally i'm quite happy with the xt rear derail and the xtr shifter..and if i swap to my alternate cassette i can tweak the shifting index without needing a laptop. I'm sure it's really cool and great and reliable, ect but I'm just quite happy running what i already have that works so well. I think i'd enjoy it on the road bike though, as not having the cables on the front could be an advantage for that one more-so.
You can make shifting adjustments to axs on the bike with the shifter while riding.
@@Adam-vm8kp thats cool. maybe i've been lucky but i've not needed it. i have all my bikes set up, not redirecting funds in another direction. cool new inventions tho' :- )
@@g.fortin3228 it is good but nothing I’ve rode shifts as well as m9000 xtr
@@Adam-vm8kp Yeah, cant beat those ! I'm running an m8000 xt rear derailleur and an xtr shifter. Pretty dialed in , no complaints at all.
@@g.fortin3228 shifter makes all the difference 👍
WoW thanks what a great durability test for a mech. I could not afford one but it sure is an interesting concept.
SRAM is bulletproof. Used to run all shimano drivetrains in my younger days but now it’s all SRAM!
I just got a new bike with X01 AXS. It’s awesome. I’ll be upgrading my old bike to GX AXS at some point.
Went GX AXS a few months ago, will never go back. Savin' for the dropper now
Epic! Time to upgrade
Best thing to happen to the drivetrain since Shimano hg, i absolutely love my axs gx
Loving my XX1 axs
Run XX1 AXS on an ARC and GX AXS on a Revel Ranger - its been perfect. No issues at all. Converted.
it boggles my mind every time i get to test ride a wireless shifting bike.
The shifting really is on point, it will never "miss shift" and the accuracy from the moment it shifts is spot on!
i need this on my own bike!
love the system but never got on with the shifter, so I loved it when the new T type came along and is interchangeable so I now use their pod to shift, its so much better imho
Yeah, the next mtb I build, probably going with GX AXS. Consistent shifting and no cables is ideal. Like riding a single speed.
Great vid, more of doddys riding would be nice! How do i know what system will fit on my bike? Is it a case of buying a deraileur and shifter?
Great review I think it's great just about to buy a stumpjumper pro with asx from what I've seen in your review I wouldn't be worried the only thing I'm not sure about is the sram g2 rsc brakes 🤔 how did yours perform on the canyon? 🤔
OK I have been off my bike for some years (before Long Covid - some of us got post viral chronic fatigue) I still own a K2 4500 with Smart Shocks, a 9v battery operated front & rear active suspension unit that used vector forks (similar to a Cannodale lefty) that must be out of patent by now. It was amazingly effective, I just wish that it was still available today in the aftermarket. So the idea of wireless shifters looks like something I might try when I get back to riding!
Am I ready to buy? Not yet. Your introduction has definitely got me thinking. I love TEC. I ride an Luna X2 modified with a Zeb fork 170/180 29r cheers from Northern California
I have the X01. Awesome stuff! If ya got the dosh go for it!
Looking forward to see the wireless brakes (possibly in very near future) and then cockpit will be totally clean 👌
Or at least brakes-by-wire system implementation...as an alternative...
Would never trust wireless brakes
I actually pulled the trigger on buying AXS one night a few months ago, I just couldn't resist but when it arrived I never actually installed it and returned it because of I was so terrified of breaking it and or damaging it on my bike. I couldn't get over the fear at that sort of money! Maybe if you made this video before I would have it on one of my bikes now.
I love Di2 on the road and I can definitely see why this could be good offroad. The look of the bike with no cables is really nice.
The wireless dropper is the one that I really want though. Droppers seem to be so finicky with regards to cable routing or hose bleeding that the wireless just makes sense. I might wait until the price comes down a bit though.
You live only once. What are you waiting for? Get it!
The golf swing amazing
I’ve got the GX AXS and apart from once where I forgot the battery (what a muppet !) it’s been a brilliant bit of kit.
You forgot to mention the loads of play that starts developing in the pivots of the GX mech. Had to send mine back since it was no longer shifting as it should. Still love the product and would not go back.
That’s annoying. And so Is the fact that they aren’t serviceable. So it’s super expensive to repair if you do break it.
I use AXS on my bikepacking rig which is also my trail bike. never had a single issue
wireless is super convenient when traveling by plane. Remove the derailleur and dropper for more room in a travel bag and simply Install them at the destination. Worked incredibly well for my buddy on our last trip. I wish they had a smaller cassette, like 10 to 46 12 speed, and shorter cage option. I don't need 50 or more teeth, especially for my local trails.
Sharing a dropper on multiple bikes is also convenient
Just run the 50 and swap chainrings
It's just improving the tire not necessarily doing anything revolutionary. If we really wanted to improve the drivetrain for MTB's then manufactures need to push hard for an internal drive system- like the Rohloff. Or the other type with the gearbox situated down near the cranks. They could be made very lite using a carbon fiber body and aluminum or titanium gears.
So technically speaking, that makes it an ebike, aha! Welcome to the club Doddy! 😉
Love them🤛🏻
Doddy is awesome. And the derailleur hanger is likely to break before the derailleur does. So better to just carry a spare derailleur hanger.
I can appreciate all the points Doddy makes with regard to 'real world' reliability (although I met a guy on Porcupine Rim who's electric mech had crapped out and it was stuck in the highest gear - long ride home with that!), but I still really can't see the benefit... they weigh more, cost more to buy and replace (if you did ever damage one), and I'd be interested to see how much 'crisper' the shifting is compared to a cable operated XT or XTR rear mech? - maybe something for the Tech show to do as a comparison in future?
Thanks a lot for such a honest and useful video.
Is there a reason why you did not mount the Derailleur directly to the frame (Bike not compatible with direct mount / no derailleur-hanger) ?
If the bike is compatible with direct-mount (Supercaliber Gen1 for example), would it affect the shifting if not using a derailleur-hanger when mixing the GX AXSwith Shimano?
Thanks a lot :)
Bought one of these in the off season and havent got to try it yet. Tore my ACL on closing day of my local ski resort 🤣 who knows when I'll get to ride the AXS system
I’m now convinced
4:53 😂😂😂
"Magical Moving"
I will be putting sram go eagle on my new bike build in the next couple of months
I have the AXS rear mech and the Reverb wireless dropper post. I like the fact they are wireless but adjusting the rear mech when it's having shifting issues isn't intuitive. It takes some practice.
What a game changer. Trek might want to make its own gps / computer mappings like Garmin. Now I only need my phone and trek app as my full brain of my road trip. 😂
Great vid. I am only at the 5:04 mark
Love your videos Doddy, thanks a lot. My only concern is when it’s time to service the derailleur. What’s happens?
charge it
You buy a new one?
That’s why I love my X01 AXS never had an issue
Hi Doddy. I've heard people say how the overload clutch is one of the better features of an axs system over a mechanical one. The advantage being less bent hangers and poor shifting. However, shouldn't a mechanical deraillieur also move out of the way in an impact as the rock pushes back on the deraillieur spring? My question being is the overload clutch primarily used to protect the motor or does it actually prevent misaligned shifting, if so is it any better than a mechanical deraillieur?
Had X01 since the back end of 2020, never had any issue’s and used all year round!👍🏻 the AXS dropped is probably not needed in reality, I may swop back to a cable just save a bit of weight!?🤔
I was wondering if you have researched price decline since they were released to the public. Also what you are saving in weight since you no longer have the cables. Thanks for the great content.
You're not saving weight, as you're getting a battery and a motor, what you're getting is flawless shifting performance and ease of setup. Price wise they have definitely dropped at least in Europe, used to be 800€ for X01 AXS Upgrade kit and now it's around 600€ however you will have to some shopping around to find that price.
Given the crispy shifts you can have on every ride I wonder if it makes chains and cassetts last longer now that would make it worthwile! 🤞🤔
I love the idea of electronic shifting. I’m just not a good enough of a rider to constitute the cost. If I thought it would shave a couple minutes off my lap time, or make it easier to climb a steep hill, I’d buy it right now. As good as this thing is, it’s still not gonna do much to make me 15 years younger, or 20 lbs lighter.
After a few months of having an XC race bike with XO1 AXS, I just forget that it's there in a good way. Going back to a mechanical groupset, the inconsistency is definitely noticeable. However most of the inconsistency is from the rider. With AXS, no matter how hard you are shifting and no matter how many gears you are trying to change, the shifting always feels effortless. Another huge benefit to racers is the ability to hold down the shifter to shift down multiple gears. This means a much smaller hand position change is required, which is extremely beneficial when trying to shift down at the top of a rocky downhill, or trying to shift up when standing up and sprinting.
Do you know someone with XX1? I want to build with XX1 but hear XO1 is for enduro so was wondering difference as apparently XO1 is more durable for enduro but still want to know XX1 is good enough
I've had GX AXS for a year so far. Ridden in all conditions from dusty Morzine in summer to full depths of winter in the South of England. Hasn't missed a beat so far and I'm very impressed. Shifting isn't quite as crisp as Shimano due to lack of Hyperglide style technology but it's still very good.
Does it feel a bit crunchy with the GX while shifting? I havent owned any SRAM drivetrain parts yet.
@@1911Zoey yeah I think a good way I've heard it described is that "you definitely know you've changed gear." It does crunch a touch but it doesn't miss shifts like SRAMs cable stuff
So this is the only was SRAM could even get a derailleur to shift properly, I'm good with Shimano until the get into a few more versions, unless I get a very good deal.
I'm riding a Turbo Levo Comp with upgraded suspension. I'm planning on going to AXS XX1 wireless controller, derailleur, cassette, new sprocket and chain. All will be XX1 AXS. Can't wait to see how it will shift and I'm looking forward to smooth operation. Not doing cranks. Any suggestions on things I'm leaving out or things I'm not considering?
this is good advertisement. I would just be worried of bending it which would worsen shifting without breaking it.
I have the GX AXS on my trek top fuel for about a year now, never had a problem with it, I only charge the battery every 3-4 weeks and the trails I ride on I shift a lot. I don't think Ill ever got back to a cable driven mech.
I think they are great and well over due,
im just waiting now for the voice activated version to totally get rid of cables, switches, leavers & buttons & before you say it no its not impossible, remember 3/4 of it is already done for you, all it needs now is a mic & a reciever with the reciever already there,
personally i think they feel slightly more robuster, probably because of the technology in them so they have to be a bit more solid, remember these gadgets have been in R&D & tested rigorously for years way before the prototypes come into production,
I’ve got GX AXS and it’s night and day difference compared to cable. I never thought shifting could be so much better.
Same day I got a GX AXS rear derailleur, my propped up bike was blown over by a sudden gust of wind. The derailleur hit the ground and bent my steel hanger effortlessly under the frame. It’s like the large, rigid surface area of AXS derailleurs makes it easier to do this as its cable operated brother has a little give when pressed in whereas AXS - solid as a rock. Angry at myself though for propping my bike too upright on a windy day.
Hello gmbn! Should I make my 27.5+ hardtail treck into a mullet? Will it ruin the geometry or just make it a shred machine?!
Had them on three bikes since first release love em! Xx1 qnd xo both work mint and I've got a new ebike with perfectly good 12s shimano xt but I will be getting a gx axs for it I'd find it very hard to live without now!
Keep your XT chain and cassette, best of both worlds
@@bigalsbash naaa too much of a weight weenie even the heaviest eagle cassette is lighter than xt12s
@Brett yes I ride it without motor and battery also its 34lb presently but I reckon I'll get it down to 32 when I've built some carbon wheels and upgraded a few more parts today I'll be putting in the motor and battery an extra 3.5kg as I'm carrying my xc bike to a friend's to let him av a go on the ebike as he broke his collarbone a few weeks ago and needs it looking at were gonna peddle 30 miles to the hospital.
@Brett are just realised WHAT your saying there yeees I did notice how much smoother the shimano shifting was oh so it works well?! I'll do that then very helpfull cheers.
@@spencerwvcmoon did I see E bike 🤦♂️ I would have understood if you said it was a hardball XC bike lol. Like Brett says, best shifting combination ever. Checkout Zirbel twisters for an alternative shifter setup.
Looks good to me. What about wireless for a Pinion P18 gearbox?