hello I have a focus jam2 6.8 2022 and I would like to switch to a coil shok but I can't find any recommendation to know which can fit if you have an idea Sorry to ask you this, but I don't know where to find this information. THANKS
I don't own or ride an ebike but if I did it would have a Shimano XT Linkglide 11 speed drivetrain on it. No way in this lifetime would I pay the asking price for any of these SRAM units.... and I have the good ol' fashioned GX AXS on my bike, so I'm far from a hater. The price is simply obscene for this overhyped drivetrain.
I follow the law of diminishing returns, if you've no budget, go for the best, but dont be fooled into thinking the ratio of cost to improvement is linear
well.... good luck, ONLY BIGGER AND MORE EXPENSIVE.... easy to destroy, so good for Sram, coz you need a new one soon.... I'll stay with Shimano Linkglide on my eMTB (currently I use 11-46s, M8000 XT drivetrain - proper MTB rear mech. almost completely flush with a frame, hard to destroy, durable, cheap.)
When you're talking about the people who buy top of the line, they are either pro's, wealthy or wasteful, i.e., money isn't a factor. They will always buy the most expensive whether it is 65" plasma tv's, Wagyu steaks, or 1st class plane tickets. Value is not a care. AND we should all thank them for it. They pay for R&D.
Would love to see an 11 or even 10 speed version of the beefier transmission design for e-bikes. 12 speed seems like a waste and the chains break easier... but that derailleur looks strong!
I'm using almost anything as cheap as possible, but went for XO chain, because in my case - it really lasts twice as long as other counterparts. Maybe it's because I don't really clean or lube the chain as often as I should and I ride in winters as well.... but, this is how it works in my case.
@@hannes6114 XO shown in tests to last longer than any other SRAM 12-sp chain. i cannot believe the difference when compared to using GX-level (whatever they are call) chains - probably 3X or more longer on my bike (riding in a variety of conditions but mostly dry).
The clutch on the old GX AXS was horrible and caused a lot of chain slap, assuming there is no difference in the clutch compared to the XX and XO this definitely seems like the better option. The hardest test is seeing what they are like long term. SRAM talks about the durability of these new drivetrains, time will only tell i guess.
But it wasn't so much the clutch (yes it's a bit weak), its the fact that the whole DR flops around as there is no cable housing anymore to hold it in place.
Works for me , I’d go for the cheapest gx model even if I had £1800 to spend , as I not a fan of the silver on the pricier versions , Rob does the new drive trains really out perform the old axs which I have atm
This is really good to know. I have been away from the biking scene for the last 7 years, but I am currently researching bike companies for my next enduro bike, and piecing together parts I would like to have on the bike. I have noticed that there are so many new components, so many different component names, and finding this transmission thing has been all new to me, and to be honest, a little bit confusing. But I know the SRAM transmission is something I would like to have, as I see my new bike as something I don't really want to upgrade for the life of the bike, unless I have to. The price difference between the GX and the XX transmission from SRAM is pretty significant, so its really good to know that the GX system performs just as good as the XX version. My enduro bike will be ridden 95% downhill, so weight in grams does not matter to me.
Don't buy that crap. It's not worth it especially if you go 95% dh.if it has to be electric, go for the old gx. Otherwise a normal gx or even an nx system is fine and if you fuck it up, its 60-90€ for a derailleur vs 100 for a chain alone on the transmission systems
Shimano Link Glide drivetrain is cheaper and better. You can buy everthing, shifter, derailleur, cassette and chain. For less than an Eagle 12spd GX cassette. I mean seriously wtf Sram?
I got to use gearboxes even electric gearboxes with electronic shifting that's the future you show just antique Technik cheers from Bali I cycle since 1970 daily
No, GX T-type RD is garbage with failure prone, weak spring clip where battery connects. Definitely worth the upgrade fo XO RD because of this. GX cassette and chain fine and most economical in the long run in my opinion.
Great vid thanks Rob. Just been looking at this kit, so nice to see it all laid out like this. I'd be an XO type of guy as would want all black on the build
thay still seam far to expensive iv recently built a e-mtb i whent with link glide deore (im finding shifting really smooth ) it cost £146 for caset ,mech ,chain ,shifter for gx it be 846 thats 5.8 fold price increase (if u wondering the xo,xx,xx-sl are 8.6/10.3/11.2 fold increase) i dont beleve there even a 2fold increase in life or performance the other days i was happily motoring throw sum heather , if my transmition cost 5.8x would i of been happy or worried the mech is £430 vs £49 8.7x intill we at 2to 3 fold price this will never be considered by me replacement lower hanger over 2fold complete mech 119vs 49
The thing that I noticed the most was the weight of the cassette and the derailleur out back there over a standard setup pn analog bike. I don’t really think you need 12 speeds on an E-bike but I could be wrong ,it seems like a 9or 10 speed would be stronger and cheaper.
The data shows the coating sram use on chains slows them down big time to a shimano chain its all very interesting im actually stuck on what wireless to go with just now, i want the TRP A12 bosch so bad but just no more information out about it like when its out this year or 2025 and price tag? Does anyone know?
I saw it on a Chinese factory for $498, so that's about $700 profit each time they get someone to buy it. Also, if ur weight conscious consider going on a run.
Awesome job on the deep dive video Rob thx!!! It looks just like the original axs line up value wise gx for the win.I have the non udh gx axs on my xt drive train(sramano) and love it,I am curious to see if the new gx tt would work as well as the non udh on a shimano drive train?ps Rob did you manage to get the 54tooth dt ratchet for your hub yet?
so my understanding is that you use a sram derailleur on a shimano cassette and chain? Does that really work well without increased wear? I thought about maybe doing that because I broke one tooth on my cassette anyway and will need to replace it and the chain
@@sendyboiii7 Hi Chris.Yes it shifts excellent without any noticeable more wear.I use silca hot melt wax on all my e-mtb's.You would also need a micro spline free hub body if your running a sram cassette now.A youtuber I know has an excellent video on the sramano setup check it out his channel is lovemtb.If you do the switch use an xtr chain they have the best longevity out of the shamano 12 speed chains.Cheers!!!
I'm starting to get very suspicious about mtb components and it's pricing . The gx upgrade kit cost a little more than $600 and a wireless dropper post cost $800 and up . Everyone should start questioning the industry everyone who's into mtb is getting ripped off
Nothing is better than a better u. Those thing only make u feel better not in fact better. Why bother so much? U r not even compete why waste money. Get one fit u better.
Got a chance to use the gx for a month. I can say the shifting is reaaaaalllly slow compare to the one im using now the xo. Also that gx rd got hit by a stone from my last ride then it stops working 😂.
I do like the way Sram located the battery in the GX it gives me a better sense of my battery not falling off, and it makes the system look more compact. I do have the old GX AXS in one bike and the new GX transmission in my E-bike and honestly both systems work just fine!!
I’ll say this…I rode two S works back to back yesterday. One had an X01 Axs and the other had a GX transmission. The transmission was hands down the better feeling drivetrain. Hardly felt a weight difference as the bikes are ridiculously light. SRAM nailed the transmission line. That bring said, I’d probably go middle of the road with the X0 transmission to save a little weight just to say it saved weight. Buy once cry once. 🤷🏼♂️🙌🏼
Great heads up on the weights, etc! I have Park Tools scales for components and complete bikes and I weigh EVERYTHING! Light tyres & wheels are tops for me. I don't have an emtb these days (now a much lighter mtb) but did weigh everything trying to get my 2018 Vitus E-Sommet as light as I could afford. 21kg was the 'lightest' 🤣
Nice video!!! two questions....i have a YT Capra CF Comp 2015 bike, is it compatible with the new GX. What is this nice black surface on your desk? Thank you!
so basically the only thing that will be significantly lighter.... is your wallet
Well spoken, well spoken!
😂😂😂😂
Well, you can make both derailleur and wallet a lot lighter by buying the hopp carbon upgrade (100g for 1200€) 🤯🙈
Shimano DEORE XT is the way to go for Performance.
And for Performance value Shimano SLX with a Deore XT Shifter.
😁
Awesome video
hello I have a focus jam2 6.8 2022 and I would like to switch to a coil shok but I can't find any recommendation to know which can fit if you have an idea
Sorry to ask you this, but I don't know where to find this information. THANKS
Expensive Vs ridiculously expensive
To me the battery placement alone with GX makes it better than the more expensive X0 and XX
It's more protected, and it looks nicer.
Been using SRAM GX for years, never had any problems at all. GX all the way in the new stuff.
There are documented issues with derailleur jockey wheels - replaced under warranty by sram
Nice I just ordered a whole gx groupset
GX with XX Crankset and XO Casset would maybe be the perfect price to weight and longivity mix.
Same conclusion for me
I mount GX with XO casset and crankset 😂😂😂😂 perfect union
Maybe worth mentioning that the X0 crank in this video is the e-bike version? The X0 comes with a cut out for bio-bikes and is lighter.
Even the GX makes the Pinion MGU good value. 😀
I don't own or ride an ebike but if I did it would have a Shimano XT Linkglide 11 speed drivetrain on it. No way in this lifetime would I pay the asking price for any of these SRAM units.... and I have the good ol' fashioned GX AXS on my bike, so I'm far from a hater. The price is simply obscene for this overhyped drivetrain.
I follow the law of diminishing returns, if you've no budget, go for the best, but dont be fooled into thinking the ratio of cost to improvement is linear
a transmission which cost like a full bike....mmmm interesting.
well.... good luck, ONLY BIGGER AND MORE EXPENSIVE.... easy to destroy, so good for Sram, coz you need a new one soon....
I'll stay with Shimano Linkglide on my eMTB (currently I use 11-46s, M8000 XT drivetrain - proper MTB rear mech. almost completely flush with a frame, hard to destroy, durable, cheap.)
When you're talking about the people who buy top of the line, they are either pro's, wealthy or wasteful, i.e., money isn't a factor.
They will always buy the most expensive whether it is 65" plasma tv's, Wagyu steaks, or 1st class plane tickets. Value is not a care.
AND we should all thank them for it. They pay for R&D.
Would love to see an 11 or even 10 speed version of the beefier transmission design for e-bikes. 12 speed seems like a waste and the chains break easier... but that derailleur looks strong!
Thats exactly why they went to a flat top chain..
with regards to me - I am happy with my old sram GX ASX at 500USD, don't want this UDH until all this stuff gets much cheaper
I think this will flop unless price drops. Its just ridiculous expensive. It has cost of begineer mtb
Thats ridiculous you can buy a new bike for that
yet another MTB upgrade I'll never afford. Can still dream though
nothing new in the world of cycling you always paid more to gain 10g that's why you often see remarks like "eat less and you'll get the same for free"
30 grams difference. that's a weight of a energy gel.
It could easily be the difference between life or death!
Those cost 100 to make, max
I'm using almost anything as cheap as possible, but went for XO chain, because in my case - it really lasts twice as long as other counterparts. Maybe it's because I don't really clean or lube the chain as often as I should and I ride in winters as well.... but, this is how it works in my case.
Same here. That chain is indestructible
No, more expensive chains can actually last much longer according to studies.
@@hannes6114 XO shown in tests to last longer than any other SRAM 12-sp chain. i cannot believe the difference when compared to using GX-level (whatever they are call) chains - probably 3X or more longer on my bike (riding in a variety of conditions but mostly dry).
@@nl3712 same, it is weird that they last so much longer
*expensive vs. really expensive
0:00 Jeezus! That's either a ginormous derailleur, or Rob has tiny hands.
What I would like to know is new T-type transmission vs regular groupset longevity, do you feel it lasts significantly longer?
These are for idiots, when interest rates go up people will stop paying stupid money for these grossly overpriced parts.
So two groupsets would have done the Job perfectly fine XD
But hey. Lets so three
The clutch on the old GX AXS was horrible and caused a lot of chain slap, assuming there is no difference in the clutch compared to the XX and XO this definitely seems like the better option. The hardest test is seeing what they are like long term. SRAM talks about the durability of these new drivetrains, time will only tell i guess.
But it wasn't so much the clutch (yes it's a bit weak), its the fact that the whole DR flops around as there is no cable housing anymore to hold it in place.
As always IMHO just go for GX with XX chain.
In the SRAM line-up GX is always the answer!
still that one driveterrain is more expensive than my entire bike 😭
Cheap???????😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Works for me , I’d go for the cheapest gx model even if I had £1800 to spend , as I not a fan of the silver on the pricier versions , Rob does the new drive trains really out perform the old axs which I have atm
Well, that's the trick to make super expensive drivetrain and then just expensive looks like good deal.
This is really good to know.
I have been away from the biking scene for the last 7 years, but I am currently researching bike companies for my next enduro bike, and piecing together parts I would like to have on the bike. I have noticed that there are so many new components, so many different component names, and finding this transmission thing has been all new to me, and to be honest, a little bit confusing. But I know the SRAM transmission is something I would like to have, as I see my new bike as something I don't really want to upgrade for the life of the bike, unless I have to.
The price difference between the GX and the XX transmission from SRAM is pretty significant, so its really good to know that the GX system performs just as good as the XX version. My enduro bike will be ridden 95% downhill, so weight in grams does not matter to me.
Don't buy that crap. It's not worth it especially if you go 95% dh.if it has to be electric, go for the old gx. Otherwise a normal gx or even an nx system is fine and if you fuck it up, its 60-90€ for a derailleur vs 100 for a chain alone on the transmission systems
Man, I just can't spend that much. I hope I don't ever try one, I know I would want one. I'll stick with my slx.
Shimano Link Glide drivetrain is cheaper and better. You can buy everthing, shifter, derailleur, cassette and chain. For less than an Eagle 12spd GX cassette. I mean seriously wtf Sram?
I got to use gearboxes even electric gearboxes with electronic shifting that's the future you show just antique Technik cheers from Bali I cycle since 1970 daily
Well there you have it. Who wouldn’t want to pay more for the “slight, ever so slight” different sound? 😂
Weren't they talking about the price point of the gx to be around 800 bucks? I could def be wrong.
Brilliant consumer review. Well done Rob.
No, GX T-type RD is garbage with failure prone, weak spring clip where battery connects. Definitely worth the upgrade fo XO RD because of this. GX cassette and chain fine and most economical in the long run in my opinion.
Great vid thanks Rob. Just been looking at this kit, so nice to see it all laid out like this. I'd be an XO type of guy as would want all black on the build
I have always felt these bike components tier thing has been a complete rip.
Isn’t the NX the lowest of the SRAMs?
SX
thay still seam far to expensive iv recently built a e-mtb
i whent with link glide deore (im finding shifting really smooth )
it cost £146 for caset ,mech ,chain ,shifter
for gx it be 846
thats 5.8 fold price increase (if u wondering the xo,xx,xx-sl are 8.6/10.3/11.2 fold increase)
i dont beleve there even a 2fold increase in life or performance
the other days i was happily motoring throw sum heather , if my transmition cost 5.8x would i of been happy or worried
the mech is £430 vs £49 8.7x
intill we at 2to 3 fold price this will never be considered by me
replacement lower hanger over 2fold complete mech 119vs 49
Half kilo deralireur omg.. We are really in 2024? I have 12sp XTR with "prehistoric" mechanical system and is it perfect 😮
The thing that I noticed the most was the weight of the cassette and the derailleur out back there over a standard setup pn analog bike. I don’t really think you need 12 speeds on an E-bike but I could be wrong ,it seems like a 9or 10 speed would be stronger and cheaper.
The data shows the coating sram use on chains slows them down big time to a shimano chain its all very interesting im actually stuck on what wireless to go with just now, i want the TRP A12 bosch so bad but just no more information out about it like when its out this year or 2025 and price tag? Does anyone know?
Would be great if someone could develop some sort of a system whereby non UDH hanger bike could use this system, like my mondraker.
I saw it on a Chinese factory for $498, so that's about $700 profit each time they get someone to buy it. Also, if ur weight conscious consider going on a run.
Got an complete GX set for 750€, so it becomes more and more affordabel. Cant wait to Install IT.
The price of nice bike components is absolutely insane! I shit you know I specked out a bike altogether. It cost more than a Honda Civic.
the only weight comparison I've found is about EMTB parts but rather than regular mtb parts. so sad
Thanks so much for this video. This answers exactly my questions about the drive chain
You are comparing the Ebike cranks. The dub cranks are difference between X0 and GX. X0 have a cut out.
XO cranks you reviews are e-bike specific. The original X0 are much prettier.
Great comparison how does it compare to the old version? 🤔
GX all day... could change out cassette to XO for weight if that's a concern, and it's all good!
Wait what? Where did you get the X0 cranks? Those are supposed to have a hole where there is just that protrusion on GX. Weird stuff!
Anything below x01 axs shouldn’t exist. Keep the peasant out of reach
Back on the old days it was 1g saving is about 1 to 1.5€
So nothing has changed... 😅
thanks for this! now i can go to sleep knowing my Visa purchase of the GX was the right choice.
Sorry, but something that is more than half, about 2/3 of the cost, is not accurately described as "a fraction of the cost".
Link Lube advertising. Don’t you need to mark advertisements as such in your country?
The prices for even the entry level are ridiculous, and I guess it needs a special frame too...
I love GX!!!!!
Just get XTR, you can snag a whole groupset for under 900 euros.
Awesome job on the deep dive video Rob thx!!! It looks just like the original axs line up value wise gx for the win.I have the non udh gx axs on my xt drive train(sramano) and love it,I am curious to see if the new gx tt would work as well as the non udh on a shimano drive train?ps Rob did you manage to get the 54tooth dt ratchet for your hub yet?
so my understanding is that you use a sram derailleur on a shimano cassette and chain? Does that really work well without increased wear? I thought about maybe doing that because I broke one tooth on my cassette anyway and will need to replace it and the chain
@@sendyboiii7 Hi Chris.Yes it shifts excellent without any noticeable more wear.I use silca hot melt wax on all my e-mtb's.You would also need a micro spline free hub body if your running a sram cassette now.A youtuber I know has an excellent video on the sramano setup check it out his channel is lovemtb.If you do the switch use an xtr chain they have the best longevity out of the shamano 12 speed chains.Cheers!!!
@@glennmorgan8691 thanks man. would switch because I have a nx cassette which is just bad but uses microspline. thanks for the infos I´ll maybe try it
Does The gx crank is compatible for the new , xx chainring ??
I'm starting to get very suspicious about mtb components and it's pricing .
The gx upgrade kit cost a little more than $600 and a wireless dropper post cost $800 and up .
Everyone should start questioning the industry everyone who's into mtb is getting ripped off
They’re all way too heavy compared to cable actuated.
I’m good don’t need a battery to shift
Arn't these for eMTBs? SO what is 100 grams when your whole system is just under 25kg?
Nothing is better than a better u. Those thing only make u feel better not in fact better. Why bother so much? U r not even compete why waste money. Get one fit u better.
I'm a fat git... So 30 grams on the bike is nothing. I'm better off taking a 💩 before riding 😂
Is electronic shifting really necessary that’s the real question
The weight difference as a percentage of an e-bike weight is negligible!!
is sram serious right now bro.
Haha, EBIKES RULE. Barely caught that.
How i wish to have a mtb 🥺❤️
I like my Shimano SLX.
Marketing strategy! Cheaper is the same I have to buy this thing !
GX will be Goldilocks for Eagle, reliably.
what a great video Rob. thank you
It is all BS - you get good shifting for a fraction of GX
Thats why 5DEV is the better crankset 😎
The money saved on GX, better spent on wheel.
Got a chance to use the gx for a month. I can say the shifting is reaaaaalllly slow compare to the one im using now the xo. Also that gx rd got hit by a stone from my last ride then it stops working 😂.
I wouldn't get and run SRAM even for free
I do like the way Sram located the battery in the GX it gives me a better sense of my battery not falling off, and it makes the system look more compact. I do have the old GX AXS in one bike and the new GX transmission in my E-bike and honestly both systems work just fine!!
Just buy the gx and get the xx crank arms
I’ll say this…I rode two S works back to back yesterday. One had an X01 Axs and the other had a GX transmission. The transmission was hands down the better feeling drivetrain. Hardly felt a weight difference as the bikes are ridiculously light. SRAM nailed the transmission line. That bring said, I’d probably go middle of the road with the X0 transmission to save a little weight just to say it saved weight. Buy once cry once. 🤷🏼♂️🙌🏼
We’ll certainly didn’t see that coming , I believe your assessment is spot on
"We'll"= "we will" = future tense "didn't"= past tense.. Both in same sentence. Unique grammer
Go one better and get wheeltop EDS
Upgraded parts is ALWAYS a con. On electric especially it makes NO DIFFERENCE.
Great heads up on the weights, etc! I have Park Tools scales for components and complete bikes and I weigh EVERYTHING! Light tyres & wheels are tops for me. I don't have an emtb these days (now a much lighter mtb) but did weigh everything trying to get my 2018 Vitus E-Sommet as light as I could afford. 21kg was the 'lightest' 🤣
that helmet looks sooooo STUPID.
Nice video!!! two questions....i have a YT Capra CF Comp 2015 bike, is it compatible with the new GX. What is this nice black surface on your desk? Thank you!