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I worked with a retired one in a temp admin job. Didn't drink, quietest, most polite guy you'd ever meet. Was probably in his 60s. But any time we did anything remotely athletic like play basketball, football even bowling he turned into a completely different animal.
Ghurkha's are like the nerdy looking guy that comes to the gym and kicks fuck out of all the heavyweights. They are so unassuming, because they are so polite and nice, but they are the bravest motherfuckers alive.
@@obsid7146I would understand your logic if it was young people, but they are old which means in the next few years those thousands will probably start becoming in the hundreds.
As a civilian I can totally understand a soldier helping their squad mate instead of me. Because if their goal is to help civilians in general, they need their highly qualified and trained units to function. So, for the loss of one civilian, they'd be able to help more civilians as a unit in the long run.
Look at it this way, obviously we would love to save everyone, but this is WAR. We don't know the random civilian personally. We know our squad member, his wife and his kids personally. I'm not going home and telling his wife and kid that their Husband/Dad is dead. That's the harsh truth of that question.
I'm glad they found a gurkha to take part in this. While a lot of know about the gurkhas, to this day they still do not anywhere close to the recognition and respect that they deserve. People need to realise these guys aren't British, but they WANT to serve under our flag, they WANT to provide for their family and they would rather do it by putting their life on the line for our country. Not to mention they always turn out to be the nicest blokes you could ever meet.
what do you mean anywhere close the recognition? all you ever see is Brits hype them up to ridiculous standards for whatever reason but there is one, British intentionally hyped up Ghurka reputation to use them as a suppression force in India, the British do this alot with their propaganda, the most notable example can be Erwin Rommel, another overated invention by the British
Would love to see everyone in this group come together again for a different set of round table questions. Good episode because they all had something pivotal and interesting to share.
Ive been through mental and physical torture, I'll tell you right now and most who've experienced both will tell you 1000% physical torture is a walk in the park compared to mental torture something you can't control or see is far more terrifying than something you can overcome physically
Yes. Exactly. Mental torture your own mind works AGAINST you. It will fill in the blanks so to speak and make everything that much more worse. If your torturer actually knows what theyre doing they can manipulate that so you think their ideas are actually yours. Its not a case of them telling you that they have your family and will hurt them. Its a case of them hinting theyre operating nearby and what if they saw the resemblance? After all your kid is a carbon copy and one of their targets is the base you live on.....its not that they told you that of course but you understand enough of the local language to piece together what you overheard. Because of course youre going to be looking for anything that may help facilitate escape...and maybe an overheard conversation could be key. Its huma nature to reject that which makes us uncomfortable or scares us. Most people will look away if they break their arm for instance especially if the doctors resetting it. Just as people will flinch away from the idea of harm to their family if stated outright. The will make excuses as to why that cant be possible. Mental torture is much harder to achieve successfully. But whe you have someone who knows what they are doing its far more effective. Because your mind is now working AGAISNT you. After all, nobody knows you like yourself. All your secrets and insecurities, all your fears and that wich you charish.... all working against you now.
Genuine question.. why can't you just not listen & ignore whatever they're saying to you? And then once you're out of it, you know that everything bad they were saying was a lie
@@rebeccasykes3862 because the capacity to ignore comes from the higher and more evolved functions of your brain that you can actively control or influence. Where as torture also attacks your more primitive and lower functions in your brain too, of which you cannot control and is very animalistic. Think of how easy it is to spook horses or cows, even though we and they probably know humans won't kill them, it's the fact that they don't know what we are capable of, is what brings a hell to their mind and all they want to do is run
@@nihilisticpuppy3799 but with that argument, spooking animals comes from something physical that you're doing to make them think that you'll be violent & they're gonna die (i.e. you're not just using words like in human mental torture). Saying you'd prefer mental torture takes out the possibility of them causing physical harm to you, so it wouldn't be like a spooked animal. I just don't understand how you can't override the 'primitive functions' by using rational thinking
@@rebeccasykes3862 Mental torture isn't just being told horrific things. It's also locking you in a dark, small room for days, weeks or months with the same kids' song blasting 24/7 not knowing whether you're going to die there
If SF lads tell you that your mind cannot take it than that's the case. The way they train allows them to get a feel of what real torture is. Arguing with them while never actually having done something remotely similar is probably pretty pointless
The Gurkha was 100% right in his short explanation. His choice leads to life after war, her choice would lead to a further war in your mind after the war. Until someone has had their mental will bended it's very hard to explain to someone like her who hasn't.
Physical torture IS also mental torture. People can and do get PTSD from physically being harmed and while training can help mitigate some of that it’s far from assured. Also you have a much better chance of healing your mind than regrowing your missing body parts. You can be physically tortured to death. The same is not true of mental torture. You might wish you were gone but you will survive.
I think she wasn't taking into account that they have experienced the mental torture as part of selection, and many of them even after their body is broken said that the mental torture was the worst.
There is a difference between being beaten, electrocuted, etc. And being graped (minus the "g") That was her thought process. Cause the lads would get the first part, she would get both
Want to know what's even better? He's 22 SAS lmao, literally the best of the best, I don't believe it can get any more elite than being both a Gurkha and 22 SAS.
A physical injury will heal, you can SEE it healing, it may not heal nicely and it may well leave you scarred or disfigured....but it will heal. Waiting for a mental injury to heal can feel like trying to walk to the horizon, it constantly feels like its getting further and further away, and you never know if its gone for good or briefly.
The discussion about a "strong mind" is extremely interesting. I've had depression and psychosis in my life. And i feel like my mind has gotten stronger through that. But then i hear people say stuff like "I don't think i could get psychosis, i have a strong mind" etc. I think, if people realized that that all minds can break or get sick, then they would be stronger just to realize that. I feel like people who say all of these things, are people who infact are MORE susceptible to depression, psychosis and so on. Because they would not see it coming and they would never acknowledge they were "compromised" or sick. It's like saying "I'm strong i can do anything!" and then being told to lift a Boing 747 with their pinky.
@@trillsam7726 I believe a big problem can stem from people not accepting that they ARE traumatized, that they ARE stressed, and that its ok to feel that way. It wasn't until I was TOLD by my robot of a maths teacher, "It sounds like you're depressed", (a bunch of stuff amalgamating into one nasty mental landscape) that I was able to even digest the idea. A few years on and there's still a long way to go but I'm proud of the progress I've made. I've had nights where I'd stare up at the ceiling telling myself aloud that "Ik I'm strong because I'm here now" and its all about having that inner-strength and self-belief that you CAN achieve what you need to DESPITE the universe's cruel indifference. People (especially men) need to be told more that its okay to feel bad when the shit hits the fan, but the most important thing is WHO you are when that shit gets hit. WHO are you when nothing goes your way but you still have responsibilities to look after. WHO were you back then when event x happened? WHO are you now as a result of event x? Emotions are a reaction; you don't choose to live through (or "re-live") a horrible experience, and those emotions can shut you down. Its the strength, help and guidance to carry on DESPITE those emotions that we, as a whole, need to provide more of to everyone and that is where a lot of people can get stuck. It takes practice and genuine effort to provide this kind of help (to yourself, and others) so its no surprise people struggle when they're choosing between paying the rent or buying next week's food, and licensed therapy costs as much as it does (not to mention the stigmas associated with "going to therapy"). We all have our own struggles and strives, some we can relate to and others we cant. All we can do is be willing to extend that hand to someone we think might need our help, they might not even know they need it!
I went to Haiti in 2004 at the height of their civil war, I spent a year there. I went through all kinds of adverse conditions, I was even got shoot in the hand, and I don't want to be purposefully honorable here, but I would save a civilian and the decision is easy in my mind, as a soldier I'm there to serve, kill or die for good right? It was never a topic at the time with my mates but if it was I would tell my boys, save the civilian. "but you can compromise the mission" any mission in which the behavior of the squad has to be coldly calculated, that we cannot be seen are usually in areas that have no civilians at times of the night that have no civilians, and are normally missions that you enter to kill everything that moves. In a scenario where there is an injured civilian and an injured colleague, it is automatically no longer a "silent" mission
This was amazing sadly I have never been able to join the forces because I was diagnosed type 1 diabetic at age 4 and I have had a severe brain injury. My whole family bar the women have all been in the navy, RAF & army. The stories they tell me are novel worthy and they will never tell me if they have taken someone’s life. I love anyone who has served 🙏🏼🫶🏼 great choice of an episode LADbible nice one.
One major thing this video taught me is that royal marines seem very similar to US marines in a lot of ways. The way they describe them as being a “different breed” as well as the obvious, working under the navy.
Yeah, you cannot physically torture someone without causing mental trauma and you can't mentally torture someone without physically touching them at some point(how do they keep you restrained without physical contact). Makes the question feel completely one sided. Should have said "would you rather have mental trauma or physical disabilities from war"(which is how it seems the people on the blue side interpreted it).
I'd say SBS. Same selection plus extra Maritime insertion training. But realistically, due to their limited numbers. I'd say it's more dependent on the individual
This is some of the best content of this format I've ever seen. Like they're listening, having conversations, they're being respectful of some of the difficult things soldiers might be carrying with them even post service. 3:30 notice how he emphasizes how its his specific view point. Amazing content.
Marines are more intelligent than paras, slower going forward under fire and more methodical in their approach. Paras are fitter and more agressive than marines. They are the better pure grunt soldiers.
Amazing video, it would have been nice to have a Scottish representative because then we’d have a full scale English, Welsh, Northern Irish and Scottish representation and it would be interesting to see if any of their perspectives were different or not.
Been through a lot of physical pain in my life. I’d take isolation and sleep deprivation and other shit over taking a power drill through my knees and my testicles. That’s just me though.
I will say that toilet is want and the proper meal is a need. Unless your tour is over and this is the reward. That proper meal is going to give your body nutrients and fuel like its never seen before.
Yeah you can't be strong enough to "block out" real competent mental torture. It doesn't work like that. Like saying that made her look like a child and I mean actually not like insultingly. Just a juvenile position to take just because "ah I feel like I could do it."
(Q1)Answer: Operational effectiveness is determined by yourself and your team. Your team comes first! (Q2)Answer: Survive mental torcher and stall for time - keep my body in a fit state to effect an escape!(Q3) Answer: Join the Royal Marines - "Pongo" is Marine slang for Army soldier!(Q4) Answer: Comradery can mean Trust, having each others backs, and knowing everything about each other, It's not always about having a laugh!
She not saying that they wouldn't trust them do their job or protect her; she's saying that the humor person wouldn't go as far as the camaraderie person would to protect her. The camaraderie person would be more likely to do actions that warrants (In U.S. military terms) the Medal of Vonor and Purple Heart or (In U.K. military terms) the Victoria Cross. Also, just because someone is in the military doesn't mean that they're a good person.
8:01 The 3 who chose mental injury jas not seen the reality of it IF they had much like the SAS they would have chosen physical You can be hurt so bad mentally itll even feel like physical pain
Oh you can train a mind alright. Its just that you wont be able to coexist with society anymore. If you push a certain point, what we consider "human" dissolves. Will that make a warrior more deadly ? Hell yeah. But his fate will be sealed.
That SAS Gurkha is probably the most deadly...to be a Gurkha they take the best of Nepal. Then add SAS selection and makes you a warrior on steroids 10x
As former US Army, some of these were damn hard questions. Humor vs comradary and civilian vs squad member... Those are some tough decisions. The latter one fucked me up because I don't know what the right answer would be.
Haha first question. See when people post pictures of food with filters and angles and all that I just think "future poo". So you get to see it again is correct IMHO on proper meal.
At the end of the day your wounded teammates can help you fight a war but a wounded civilian (who you don't know) wont and possibly might be involved in the acts of your enemies (some wounded civs were used as baits by enemy snipers or IED, suicide bombers).....
The second question shocked me, but it really shouldn't. I mean, ain't the soldier's point of being there to save civilians a ww1 or 2 vet wouldnt think twice
The hardest torture for the human body is not getting sleep... together with all the other shit they can do to you mentally the woman is just nuts believing her mind barriers would be strong enough to withstand that
Not getting sleep is worse then any physical torture you can possibly think of? You telling me If the torturer walks in and tell you if you don't talk be is taking every non vital body part he can in the slowest and most painful way possible, that you are picking that over him stopping you from getting some sleep? Explain that to me, I am not buying it.
@@fdsgdxfgddfgdfgdfg3814 same, tho we really shouldnt undermine sleep deprervation. I wonder how it feels. But id choose it over all the other stuff any day, i really qanna stay in one peace
@@fdsgdxfgddfgdfgdfg3814 not getting to sleep for quite some time makes u go insane. U Lose Track of time get haulcination and shit. When they just wake u up randomly and Donut let u rest u for sure won't need any other torture and u will tell them everything. Without sleep ur own body destroys itself
Funny the differences between stereotypes for marines/army in Britain vs the US. In the US marines would never be the branch getting called "more intelligent, thinking for themselves, but worse soldiers" cause here it's exactly the opposite (only stereotypically, ofc)
It's funny how contrasted this is to what I hear from Americans, they seem to come out of it worse, hating it sometimes and wishing they'd have not. Real interesting to see.
I know im not in any place to say this but i kinda prefer physical torture than mentally. Imagine they trapped you in a dark room with no noise, (food provided) completely silent for years. I definitely can't live like that. I probably go insane and paranoid, hallucinates and more. And it definitely aint easy to treat. At least if they torture you physically, you either survive that or you die.
"Years" u said? There are psychological tortures that can induce psychosis within a day for an average person and a well-trained soldier might last a few more.
@@tristramfuller Without physically touching you with anything? I am calling cap on that. You telling me If I am standing in a room with this torturer and he can't touch me period, he can break me in a day? No way man, physical torture is worse if it can only be one or the other. Second he puts those glowing red hot tongs up to your eye, you are talking.
Bruh, in the us military, i saw the never served and woulve hopped in that box to quickly too much negative has happened in my life due to joining the military. They focus on things as well that doesnt even matter most of the time you also dont get enough to save for after the military as well you kinda just go there to not be a hobo on the streets for however long your in the military for i came in the military a confident man who loved life and my country with loads of trust now im sitting here without all of those traits mental issues and health issues. But also, being so far from family for so long, it basically built a huge wall that makes me feel less connected to them, and like im talking to random people at a family readiness group event.
well thats sad to hear, it seems there is a difference between UK and US here though, ive never met anyone who has served and regretted it here in the UK, wish you the best and salute you sir, just know that you are very much respected and appriciated🫡
More of these please LadBible this was brilliant and thank you to everyone in this video for your service and protecting us civs we appreciate the dedication and effort you put into protecting your country and we all thank you for it “long live Great Britain” 🏴 ❤🫡
I get what they're saying, but them rather saving a squadmate than civilians is a bit worrying to me. The entire point in a defensive war is to save the country, that means the civilians.
Physical torture is meh. Drugs can make it really bad, and the after affects are terrible. Mental torture, that woman is an idiot, you can't resist the things they can do to you, even if you don't give up what they are after, or don't have it, you will still break.
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Guys, thats an SAS GURKHA. The most humble but deadly man you will meet.
@@george2979is that not nims purjah the sbs gurka , he’s a different bloke
@@harrywinnharrison5626It's Krish Thapa ex Gurkha and SAS - now also a mountaineer like Nims
I worked with a retired one in a temp admin job. Didn't drink, quietest, most polite guy you'd ever meet. Was probably in his 60s. But any time we did anything remotely athletic like play basketball, football even bowling he turned into a completely different animal.
Ghurkha's are like the nerdy looking guy that comes to the gym and kicks fuck out of all the heavyweights. They are so unassuming, because they are so polite and nice, but they are the bravest motherfuckers alive.
@@kb5509grandpa got moves
Dear ladbible,
Please dedicate as much time as you can during the next several years to interviewing ww2 vets. Whilst they’re still around 🙏
I know in the US we have dedicated foundations to do so are there any in the UK to donate to? We need to document as much as possible
theres like thousands bro dw
@@obsid7146 well they all of them are old
times affecting them all simultaneously lol@@obsid7146
@@obsid7146I would understand your logic if it was young people, but they are old which means in the next few years those thousands will probably start becoming in the hundreds.
As a civilian I can totally understand a soldier helping their squad mate instead of me. Because if their goal is to help civilians in general, they need their highly qualified and trained units to function. So, for the loss of one civilian, they'd be able to help more civilians as a unit in the long run.
if you wanna be safe in a war zone, join the security forces
Look at it this way, obviously we would love to save everyone, but this is WAR. We don't know the random civilian personally. We know our squad member, his wife and his kids personally. I'm not going home and telling his wife and kid that their Husband/Dad is dead. That's the harsh truth of that question.
If you got shot and you saw your help go to else. I think youd be a bit upset
And what if they continue doing that? Save their comrades
War is a racket -Smedley Butler usmc turned dissent against rogues, lies of war, propaganda, capitalism greed
I'm glad they found a gurkha to take part in this. While a lot of know about the gurkhas, to this day they still do not anywhere close to the recognition and respect that they deserve. People need to realise these guys aren't British, but they WANT to serve under our flag, they WANT to provide for their family and they would rather do it by putting their life on the line for our country. Not to mention they always turn out to be the nicest blokes you could ever meet.
what do you mean anywhere close the recognition? all you ever see is Brits hype them up to ridiculous standards for whatever reason but there is one, British intentionally hyped up Ghurka reputation to use them as a suppression force in India, the British do this alot with their propaganda, the most notable example can be Erwin Rommel, another overated invention by the British
They are British. They might not be from mainland Britain but they're no less British than anyone else who serves.
Would love to see everyone in this group come together again for a different set of round table questions. Good episode because they all had something pivotal and interesting to share.
Agreed this was awesome!!
War is a racket -Smedley Butler usmc turned dissent against rogues, lies of war, propaganda, capitalism greed
Ive been through mental and physical torture, I'll tell you right now and most who've experienced both will tell you 1000% physical torture is a walk in the park compared to mental torture something you can't control or see is far more terrifying than something you can overcome physically
Yes. Exactly. Mental torture your own mind works AGAINST you. It will fill in the blanks so to speak and make everything that much more worse. If your torturer actually knows what theyre doing they can manipulate that so you think their ideas are actually yours. Its not a case of them telling you that they have your family and will hurt them. Its a case of them hinting theyre operating nearby and what if they saw the resemblance? After all your kid is a carbon copy and one of their targets is the base you live on.....its not that they told you that of course but you understand enough of the local language to piece together what you overheard. Because of course youre going to be looking for anything that may help facilitate escape...and maybe an overheard conversation could be key.
Its huma nature to reject that which makes us uncomfortable or scares us. Most people will look away if they break their arm for instance especially if the doctors resetting it. Just as people will flinch away from the idea of harm to their family if stated outright. The will make excuses as to why that cant be possible.
Mental torture is much harder to achieve successfully. But whe you have someone who knows what they are doing its far more effective. Because your mind is now working AGAISNT you. After all, nobody knows you like yourself. All your secrets and insecurities, all your fears and that wich you charish.... all working against you now.
Genuine question.. why can't you just not listen & ignore whatever they're saying to you?
And then once you're out of it, you know that everything bad they were saying was a lie
@@rebeccasykes3862 because the capacity to ignore comes from the higher and more evolved functions of your brain that you can actively control or influence. Where as torture also attacks your more primitive and lower functions in your brain too, of which you cannot control and is very animalistic. Think of how easy it is to spook horses or cows, even though we and they probably know humans won't kill them, it's the fact that they don't know what we are capable of, is what brings a hell to their mind and all they want to do is run
@@nihilisticpuppy3799 but with that argument, spooking animals comes from something physical that you're doing to make them think that you'll be violent & they're gonna die (i.e. you're not just using words like in human mental torture). Saying you'd prefer mental torture takes out the possibility of them causing physical harm to you, so it wouldn't be like a spooked animal. I just don't understand how you can't override the 'primitive functions' by using rational thinking
@@rebeccasykes3862 Mental torture isn't just being told horrific things. It's also locking you in a dark, small room for days, weeks or months with the same kids' song blasting 24/7 not knowing whether you're going to die there
If SF lads tell you that your mind cannot take it than that's the case. The way they train allows them to get a feel of what real torture is. Arguing with them while never actually having done something remotely similar is probably pretty pointless
She’s RAF so she outranks them!
The Gurkha was 100% right in his short explanation. His choice leads to life after war, her choice would lead to a further war in your mind after the war. Until someone has had their mental will bended it's very hard to explain to someone like her who hasn't.
She feels like she’s mentally tougher than those lads 😂😂😂😂
Shes been through more than you have mate @luciusannaeusseneca1943
Physical torture IS also mental torture. People can and do get PTSD from physically being harmed and while training can help mitigate some of that it’s far from assured. Also you have a much better chance of healing your mind than regrowing your missing body parts. You can be physically tortured to death. The same is not true of mental torture. You might wish you were gone but you will survive.
I want to hear more from the guy with the beard. Something tells me he’s seen some stuff.
W02 SAS mate, probably seen and done some good stuff.
Krishna Thapa there's a few podcasts with him on here, outstanding human being
he's on Phil Campion's podcast on force radio (He's also on others but that's the only one I've heard). Would really recommend giving it a listen
@QuasarFire2500 that was a great one, think he did eventful lives with Dodge Woodall too
Yup hes one rank below Melvin..So pretty senior in the sas.
The effort you put into this really shows!
I think she wasn't taking into account that they have experienced the mental torture as part of selection, and many of them even after their body is broken said that the mental torture was the worst.
War is a racket -Smedley Butler usmc turned dissent against rogues, lies of war, propaganda, capitalism greed
She isn't taking into account that she is basically a Civilian in army clothes
There is a difference between being beaten, electrocuted, etc. And being graped (minus the "g")
That was her thought process. Cause the lads would get the first part, she would get both
@@devonchafe2764the lads would get both
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Male on male гαчρ is a thing you know.
Cheers guys and girls - enjoyed being a part of this.
Were you happy invading people countries? Now we’ve got immigrants cuz of wars
I'm sorry.. an SAS GHURKA?? How more tough and badass could a man possibly be..
I’m intrigued I’ll have to some research
War is a racket -Smedley Butler usmc turned dissent against rogues, lies of war, propaganda, capitalism greed
I am quite uneducated on this topic, could you elaborate a bit more? Sorry
@@lesionsl2718 SAS (One Of Best Special forces) + GURKHA (Most Fiercest and Brave Soldier On Planet )
Want to know what's even better? He's 22 SAS lmao, literally the best of the best, I don't believe it can get any more elite than being both a Gurkha and 22 SAS.
I noticed that all their communication is excellent and they all look at things VERY logically and not emotionally. Very nice :)
The deadliest guy in the room is wearing CROCS!!!!!
A physical injury will heal, you can SEE it healing, it may not heal nicely and it may well leave you scarred or disfigured....but it will heal.
Waiting for a mental injury to heal can feel like trying to walk to the horizon, it constantly feels like its getting further and further away, and you never know if its gone for good or briefly.
The discussion about a "strong mind" is extremely interesting. I've had depression and psychosis in my life. And i feel like my mind has gotten stronger through that. But then i hear people say stuff like "I don't think i could get psychosis, i have a strong mind" etc. I think, if people realized that that all minds can break or get sick, then they would be stronger just to realize that. I feel like people who say all of these things, are people who infact are MORE susceptible to depression, psychosis and so on. Because they would not see it coming and they would never acknowledge they were "compromised" or sick. It's like saying "I'm strong i can do anything!" and then being told to lift a Boing 747 with their pinky.
But what happens when you’re traumatized, have ptsd etc. A lot of people barely get out of it
@@trillsam7726 I believe a big problem can stem from people not accepting that they ARE traumatized, that they ARE stressed, and that its ok to feel that way. It wasn't until I was TOLD by my robot of a maths teacher, "It sounds like you're depressed", (a bunch of stuff amalgamating into one nasty mental landscape) that I was able to even digest the idea. A few years on and there's still a long way to go but I'm proud of the progress I've made. I've had nights where I'd stare up at the ceiling telling myself aloud that "Ik I'm strong because I'm here now" and its all about having that inner-strength and self-belief that you CAN achieve what you need to DESPITE the universe's cruel indifference. People (especially men) need to be told more that its okay to feel bad when the shit hits the fan, but the most important thing is WHO you are when that shit gets hit. WHO are you when nothing goes your way but you still have responsibilities to look after. WHO were you back then when event x happened? WHO are you now as a result of event x? Emotions are a reaction; you don't choose to live through (or "re-live") a horrible experience, and those emotions can shut you down. Its the strength, help and guidance to carry on DESPITE those emotions that we, as a whole, need to provide more of to everyone and that is where a lot of people can get stuck.
It takes practice and genuine effort to provide this kind of help (to yourself, and others) so its no surprise people struggle when they're choosing between paying the rent or buying next week's food, and licensed therapy costs as much as it does (not to mention the stigmas associated with "going to therapy"). We all have our own struggles and strives, some we can relate to and others we cant. All we can do is be willing to extend that hand to someone we think might need our help, they might not even know they need it!
@@RotundOne i agree, that’s a great message that you’ve sent. I hope you are able to keep striving for greatness
All I have to say is thank you for your service, you're something to be admired
As a great man once said, EVERYBODY breaks
theres a reason white room torture is illegal because its so destructive
I went to Haiti in 2004 at the height of their civil war, I spent a year there. I went through all kinds of adverse conditions, I was even got shoot in the hand, and I don't want to be purposefully honorable here, but I would save a civilian and the decision is easy in my mind, as a soldier I'm there to serve, kill or die for good right? It was never a topic at the time with my mates but if it was I would tell my boys, save the civilian. "but you can compromise the mission" any mission in which the behavior of the squad has to be coldly calculated, that we cannot be seen are usually in areas that have no civilians at times of the night that have no civilians, and are normally missions that you enter to kill everything that moves. In a scenario where there is an injured civilian and an injured colleague, it is automatically no longer a "silent" mission
This was amazing sadly I have never been able to join the forces because I was diagnosed type 1 diabetic at age 4 and I have had a severe brain injury. My whole family bar the women have all been in the navy, RAF & army. The stories they tell me are novel worthy and they will never tell me if they have taken someone’s life. I love anyone who has served 🙏🏼🫶🏼 great choice of an episode LADbible nice one.
Good on Pasha for sticking up for the bootnecks. Best of the Brits
Really enjoyed this! Super interesting and the vibes were great too. Everyone was so honest and so respectful, exactly how it should be 🥰
You would walk pass those guys and wouldn't even think they are SAS. Humble guys.
One major thing this video taught me is that royal marines seem very similar to US marines in a lot of ways. The way they describe them as being a “different breed” as well as the obvious, working under the navy.
They're more like marine force recon and the raiders than standard US marines
Also, the flying units (RAF / USAF) are known for giving premium gear / facilities / food, and having the most comfortable experience.
The question about torture makes little sense because the two methods cannot really be separated
Yeah, you cannot physically torture someone without causing mental trauma and you can't mentally torture someone without physically touching them at some point(how do they keep you restrained without physical contact). Makes the question feel completely one sided. Should have said "would you rather have mental trauma or physical disabilities from war"(which is how it seems the people on the blue side interpreted it).
Another great piece of content 👏👏👏
Utmost respect to all of the guests and thank you to all of you for your service.
Let’s be honest SAS is the best of the bunch
Define 'best'.
I'd say SBS. Same selection plus extra Maritime insertion training. But realistically, due to their limited numbers. I'd say it's more dependent on the individual
More famous, but not better
Krish thapa proud of you brother! 🇳🇵🤝 🇬🇧
Thank you for your service
All of them are heroes.
This is some of the best content of this format I've ever seen. Like they're listening, having conversations, they're being respectful of some of the difficult things soldiers might be carrying with them even post service. 3:30 notice how he emphasizes how its his specific view point. Amazing content.
Love seeing these guys bantering lol, shits a hoot
These are the true heroes of UK
Great questions, and I regret leaving at my 16 year point. I would love to join back up, you don’t realise how good it was until you are away from it.
The woman talked quite a lot about torture...to a bunch of SF guys who've been exposed to torture in their training...
Exactly what I was thinking 😂 no clue lol
@@James-mh4nnWomen do this all the time.
Walking from a place of authority while being utterly delusional/clueless.
I mean, having different views from 2 different experiences is also has values on it's own
I’d rather have a debate rather than some guys who’re talking to a wall…
@@pineappleenjoyer9297 misogynist
'If you've got a strong enough mind.' She thinks she's Rambo.
The transition from rations to fresh is emotional 😂
1:22 the face of a man who's thinking: "No shot in combat"
physical torture is a walk in the park, same reason a heartbreak hurts more than a breaking a bone, the pain is temporary
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Marines are more intelligent than paras, slower going forward under fire and more methodical in their approach.
Paras are fitter and more agressive than marines. They are the better pure grunt soldiers.
Absolute horseshit. Clearly you've never done either.
Amazing video, it would have been nice to have a Scottish representative because then we’d have a full scale English, Welsh, Northern Irish and Scottish representation and it would be interesting to see if any of their perspectives were different or not.
Never bring the Scottish along. You leave them at home.
@@Lamebred.You always bring the Scots, they have the best banter
We need more of these kinds of videos
I feel like mental torture is more unbearable on first contact than physical.
Healing from mental torture is part of the torture as well.
Been through a lot of physical pain in my life. I’d take isolation and sleep deprivation and other shit over taking a power drill through my knees and my testicles. That’s just me though.
Please give us more
I will say that toilet is want and the proper meal is a need. Unless your tour is over and this is the reward. That proper meal is going to give your body nutrients and fuel like its never seen before.
Respect to all personnel serving in militaries across the world 🫡
Yeah you can't be strong enough to "block out" real competent mental torture. It doesn't work like that. Like saying that made her look like a child and I mean actually not like insultingly. Just a juvenile position to take just because "ah I feel like I could do it."
It is a lot easier to get help for physical damages vs mental damages. You can say I served my country and I got battle scars
Reminds me of a lot of the debates we had to pass the time when I was in Infantry🙂
Intresting on the different perspective between the raf lady and the army boys
Gorkha one look like he about to kill someone even though he look most humble among them😂😂
imagine on the physical or mental torture one, they actually subjected them to their chosen methods of torture and saw which they chose afterwards
If you were a civilian with first aid knowledge, would you help the civilian (non family member) or squaddie first?
12:01
it's important to have a sense of humor in a fighting hole
but having someone covering that fighting hole is even better
(Q1)Answer: Operational effectiveness is determined by yourself and your team. Your team comes first! (Q2)Answer: Survive mental torcher and stall for time - keep my body in a fit state to effect an escape!(Q3) Answer: Join the Royal Marines - "Pongo" is Marine slang for Army soldier!(Q4) Answer: Comradery can mean Trust, having each others backs, and knowing everything about each other, It's not always about having a laugh!
The Womans reasoning for picking camaraderie was extremely odd. Saying she couldnt trust them... and the faces of the others when she said that.
Most likely as the lads had no doubt in trusting there fellow soldier but that maybe different for non infantry/ SF roles
She not saying that they wouldn't trust them do their job or protect her; she's saying that the humor person wouldn't go as far as the camaraderie person would to protect her. The camaraderie person would be more likely to do actions that warrants (In U.S. military terms) the Medal of Vonor and Purple Heart or (In U.K. military terms) the Victoria Cross. Also, just because someone is in the military doesn't mean that they're a good person.
Brilliant video
8:01 The 3 who chose mental injury jas not seen the reality of it IF they had much like the SAS they would have chosen physical You can be hurt so bad mentally itll even feel like physical pain
Oh you can train a mind alright.
Its just that you wont be able to coexist with society anymore.
If you push a certain point, what we consider "human" dissolves.
Will that make a warrior more deadly ? Hell yeah. But his fate will be sealed.
That SAS Gurkha is probably the most deadly...to be a Gurkha they take the best of Nepal. Then add SAS selection and makes you a warrior on steroids 10x
Crap in a bag, you can keep bugs out pretty well if you seal it around yourself well.
As former US Army, some of these were damn hard questions. Humor vs comradary and civilian vs squad member... Those are some tough decisions. The latter one fucked me up because I don't know what the right answer would be.
Haha first question. See when people post pictures of food with filters and angles and all that I just think "future poo". So you get to see it again is correct IMHO on proper meal.
id rather treat my squad mate to increase survival odds. however i would save the civilian out of duty
At the end of the day your wounded teammates can help you fight a war but a wounded civilian (who you don't know) wont and possibly might be involved in the acts of your enemies (some wounded civs were used as baits by enemy snipers or IED, suicide bombers).....
8:05 agreed
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Great Video
The way Chris moved across to Paratroopers after Pasha mentioned essence 😂😂😂
Thank you!
The second question shocked me, but it really shouldn't. I mean, ain't the soldier's point of being there to save civilians a ww1 or 2 vet wouldnt think twice
The hardest torture for the human body is not getting sleep... together with all the other shit they can do to you mentally the woman is just nuts believing her mind barriers would be strong enough to withstand that
Not getting sleep is worse then any physical torture you can possibly think of? You telling me If the torturer walks in and tell you if you don't talk be is taking every non vital body part he can in the slowest and most painful way possible, that you are picking that over him stopping you from getting some sleep? Explain that to me, I am not buying it.
@@fdsgdxfgddfgdfgdfg3814 same, tho we really shouldnt undermine sleep deprervation. I wonder how it feels. But id choose it over all the other stuff any day, i really qanna stay in one peace
@@fdsgdxfgddfgdfgdfg3814 not getting to sleep for quite some time makes u go insane. U Lose Track of time get haulcination and shit. When they just wake u up randomly and Donut let u rest u for sure won't need any other torture and u will tell them everything. Without sleep ur own body destroys itself
Physical torture tends to come together with mental torture as well sadly
They should do the same with former devgru and delta force members
It's good to know that the RAF is just as bougie as the American Air Force.
Iv got to say this. Not many people will say themselves because there not being honest. So how ever does say themselves respect your being real.
I think its the dunning kruger effect on the girl. She doesnt know how bad it is so she thinks she can take it.
For a crew-member on a chopper, she talked quite a lot to a bunch of truly hard-core guys who've probably seen some things.
Funny the differences between stereotypes for marines/army in Britain vs the US. In the US marines would never be the branch getting called "more intelligent, thinking for themselves, but worse soldiers" cause here it's exactly the opposite (only stereotypically, ofc)
It's funny how contrasted this is to what I hear from Americans, they seem to come out of it worse, hating it sometimes and wishing they'd have not. Real interesting to see.
Be aware that these people may have been selected through overarching military funding
As a current service member, I'm choosing to save a team/squad mate over a civilian, aka not yet combatant, any day of the week
ok in this question i would take physical bc if you have mental torture then your physical dont mather in physical you can still endure but not mental
Bro the fkn SAS GURKHA dude is the most dangerous human being in that area code possibly the surrounding 4 area codes
next time have old military vets like WW2 and Vietnam and possibly korean with these younger folks
7:53 He is 100% correct.
That's mad that this woman says if you have a strong enough mind you can endure mental torture, so naïve .
The SAS Gurkha
*Jesus I am scared just looking at the guy*
This….will be an interesting one 😀
I know im not in any place to say this but i kinda prefer physical torture than mentally. Imagine they trapped you in a dark room with no noise, (food provided) completely silent for years. I definitely can't live like that. I probably go insane and paranoid, hallucinates and more. And it definitely aint easy to treat. At least if they torture you physically, you either survive that or you die.
"Years" u said? There are psychological tortures that can induce psychosis within a day for an average person and a well-trained soldier might last a few more.
@@tristramfuller Without physically touching you with anything? I am calling cap on that. You telling me If I am standing in a room with this torturer and he can't touch me period, he can break me in a day? No way man, physical torture is worse if it can only be one or the other. Second he puts those glowing red hot tongs up to your eye, you are talking.
ofc the woman thinks her mind could resist mental torture hahaha
not even just that but she's also an air force pilot, one of the cushiest positions even for men
do you know her personally or know how she thinks?
@@crackcobaine RAF thinks she’s mentally stronger than a SAS operator 🥹
@@feluto7172she was a chinook crewman not a pilot read her book.
Its easier to resist that physical pain
The Gurkha gives 💀 vibes.
MARINE - Muscles Are Required Intelligence Not Expected
ARMY - Aren't Really Marines Yet
Hoorah.
Bruh, in the us military, i saw the never served and woulve hopped in that box to quickly too much negative has happened in my life due to joining the military. They focus on things as well that doesnt even matter most of the time you also dont get enough to save for after the military as well you kinda just go there to not be a hobo on the streets for however long your in the military for i came in the military a confident man who loved life and my country with loads of trust now im sitting here without all of those traits mental issues and health issues. But also, being so far from family for so long, it basically built a huge wall that makes me feel less connected to them, and like im talking to random people at a family readiness group event.
well thats sad to hear, it seems there is a difference between UK and US here though, ive never met anyone who has served and regretted it here in the UK, wish you the best and salute you sir, just know that you are very much respected and appriciated🫡
More of these please LadBible this was brilliant and thank you to everyone in this video for your service and protecting us civs we appreciate the dedication and effort you put into protecting your country and we all thank you for it “long live Great Britain” 🏴 ❤🫡
the toughest question of them all is ''they got money for war but can't feed the poor'' why is that?
Because it's better to be poor than dead.
Because even if you don’t want war, someone else has an interest in it. Your altruism is yours alone. Others don’t care to abide by it.
War is where we send the poor people to fight and die
I get what they're saying, but them rather saving a squadmate than civilians is a bit worrying to me. The entire point in a defensive war is to save the country, that means the civilians.
Physical torture is meh. Drugs can make it really bad, and the after affects are terrible.
Mental torture, that woman is an idiot, you can't resist the things they can do to you, even if you don't give up what they are after, or don't have it, you will still break.
I’d rather die for a soldier that saves lives instead of living as an civilian who sits in a refugee camp knowing soldiers died just to save me
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Marines or Paratrooper? Meh,in my contry some regiment are actually both 😂