Shameless Xbox Just Shut Down 4 Bethesda Studios... But Why?
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2024
- The clowns at Xbox took less then 24 hours to take back the buffoons of the industry trophy from Sony, but what exactly is going on?
If they were just closing Arkane Austin, I'd understand it and this would be a big nothing, that is the Redfall studio after all.
But they are also closing Tango Gameworks who have consistently produced solid titles in multiple genres.
It's clear that they no longer care about the growth of the Xbox brand (they are going third party after all) and it's all in on short term profits. Call of Duty, Candy Crush, Elder Scrolls, unless you're an existing big name IP, Xbox don't care about you.
Given these idiots have done nothing but run IPs into the ground in the last decade, this isn't going to go well. - Ігри
At least Tango gameworks tried to make unique games with cool ideas.
Those devs will still get that opportunity just not under tango, I don’t understand why people overreacting, these studios barely made games the ones they made were deemed trash …. Wait for June, could be something bigger there it’s too close
Just started playing HI-FI rush and this game is awesome. I'm pissed they shut down Tango. Phil spencer is a joke.
@deadsec3554, Fun fact about Phil? He is one of two people responsible for rejecting Rareware's pitch to make an actual sequel to Perfect Dark 2000 during the Xbox 360 years.
Phil has been making terrible decisions for a long time now. But shutting down Tango Games is one of the worst I've ever seen.
@@Gruntvc Yea I've been seeing him make big annoucements over the years and all i can see is nothing was achieved. No wisdom gained no summits reached. It's all just business in the end.
I've gone from being a hardcore gamer to a casual gamer. I mostly play older games or indie games now.
@@Gruntvche's also more busy pushing woke agendas and virtue signalling about pride on Twitter.idiot dint even play Starfield a bit by himself.
While Sony executives like Shuhei Yoshida visits studios, ask tough questions and plays games as well. He tried Stellar Blade by himself before giving it green signal for Playstation. Can't expect this from Spencer.
The shutdown of Tango Gameworks is the one that hurts the most. I love The Evil Within games.
We've been holding hope for a third entry for so long :(
@@waketp420 I would have paid full price for a non woke sequel.
@@jaxonswain3408 oh ur one of those
@@jaxonswain3408 Same here. Under TGW that may of happened.
@@waketp420everyone hates woke games. Imagine Sebastian being replaced and he’s a useless loser the whole game.
Razorfist had the best tweet about the whole situation:
"The injustice here is that none of these studios made Fallout 76 or Starfield."
True. But to be fair: Arkane Austin made Redfall.
@@Simppu1410 Bethesda (the publisher not the studio) forced them to, alongside 76 because the execs were on the live-service kool-aid at the time (mind you this is before the MS acquisition), which led to 70% of Austin's staff, which worked on Prey, leaving the studio, because why would devs who have worked on single-player im-sims want to work on some live service slop? This turned Austin into a shell of its former self.
@@HelloKolla A story that sounds all too familiar. Makes me think of Bioware. Microsoft may have done a mercy killing here by shutting them down in that case.
@@Simppu1410 yeah. Like shooting a sick dog. REALLY hurts for me to say that, with how much I love Prey, but that's the fate of your average immersive sim studio I guess. Make a masterpiece, then go under. Happened to Ion Storm, Irrational Games, Eidos, and now Arkane Austin. It's a curse, is what it is.
@@HelloKolla We just have to turn to indies then. Gloomwood looks really good.
They should've shut down todd howards studio
If the elder scrolls 6 are like starfail they are going to do it .
@@xaxaxaxaxa6417 is there any indication it won't be? Look at all the todd howard titles, it's always the same, megalomania to have the biggest playable map (at the expense of depth and immersion), poorly written characters and stories (primarily emil pagliarulos fault and yet he's still working there), more megalomania to have infinite content in the form of radiant quests (once you've seen 1 of those you've seen em all), it's always the same and i have no hope for tes 6
@@o0TraceuR0o the fact that all these amazing devs got the sack while Emil 'Keep It Simple Stupid" Pagliarulo didn't boils my blood to no end.
@@HelloKolla ikr
Xbox sitting on Fallout for this long is alone the most hilarious example of them being the most incompetent publisher, is there three braincells total in that corporate office
Yeah it took until the TV show for them to realise they needed another? Lol why buy Bethesda in the first place.
Maybe Microsoft realizes they have bought a sick horse in Bethesda.
Microsoft fell for that horse armor dlc when they could have downloaded a free mod 😎
Yeah Phil definitely didn't realize how bad BGS is now when the purchase was made, but outside of BGS, Xbox did acquire other good studios from the Bethesda deal... which is why it's so confusing as to the reason those GOOD studios got crushed, while the hacks at BGS keep their jobs. Absolute clown show.
Then they should have closed down todd Howard 🤡
16 times the load screens.
I think xbox is done. They offer nothing in games that playstation Nintendo and steam do as platforms.
Phil Spencer needs to go , i was looking forward to Evil Within 3
Concentrate on the big names? Well, that reminds me of "Star Wars", that was a name that had 100% positive vibes, not anymore though. Rebooting Halo won't mean instant success, because that would take effort and avoiding a lot of todays politics would be a requirement and we all know Microsoft cannot manage that.
Xbox is fully committed to DEI/ESG. A rebooted Halo would cater to that and not the actual fans.
I miss the Xbox of the Xbox 360 years, but their long gone. And with Microsoft shutting down the 360 digital storefront, it's over.
It's worth bearing in mind that Arkane Austin was forced to make redfall by Bethesda, and they really didn't want to. It was a multiplayer game from a studio that has always made single player story focused games. They had no experience with this and presumably Bethesda didn't care. That doesn't totally excuse the horrific job they did but Bethesda AND Microsoft need to take lots of the blame too. Bethesda made the stupid decision and didn't give them the extra staff needed, and Microsoft, even though they were aware of how poorly it was progressing chose to do nothing, preferring their "hands off" approach.
Microsoft becoming the new EA?
Absolutely agree about these incompetent executives that NEVER see any consequences for their mismanagement. It's amazing. They just stay dug in to the company like a tick, sucking blood and weakening the product and game development. Everyone at these companies act like because someone did something once that was ok or good, that justifies clinging to these people forever and it supposedly excuses all their future incompetence. No normal person in a normal job gets this kind of infinite free pass.
Tango was the worst decision they could make. There was zero intellect in that choice.
Microsoft needs to understand that if they want to be in this business they need to be good at least with something whether it's game hardware, storefront and software, or the games themselves. But in each of these areas there's competition that's superior. In other words, there's no reason for customers to be interested.
Frankly, Microsoft doesn't deserve to be in the games industry at the moment and the results are coming around to prove that.
Truly disappointed in Microsoft for the closures of Tango Gameworks. Finally a studio that they have that gave them a ton of great reviews and awards last year from both the media and gamer audience for which they haven't gotten for such a long time and they dicided to close that studio down. It's like committing business suicide over greedy. Hifi Rush got better reviews scores and won more awards than their competitor Sony Playstation biggest exclusive game for last year which is Marvel Spiderman 2. Also Hifi Rush also beat their own Xbox biggest exclusive for last year which is Starfield in both review scores and awards. How can they close that type of game studio, how is it even possible for Tango Gameworks to even get cut after receiving so much praise. Finally a Xbox owned Japanese studio with quality and they close it down, what Microsoft even thinking. Over 400 or more video games released last year and Hifi Rush was in the top five or ten of must play for 2023 and they closed that game studio are you kiddy me. As an strictly only Xbox gamer words can't describe how disappointed I am.
Even though Prey's my all time favorite game, I can see the logic of closing Arkane Austin if the studio was unsalvageable, given that 70% of the Prey team just left during Redfall's dev cycle, but TANGO?!? After Mikami left it in such a great state, not to mention the solid Hifi Rush?! What's really tragic is that Mikami wanted Tango to be a haven for fostering new talent, and left because he was satisfied with the state of the studio as it was. Wonder how it must feel hearing the guillotine go down on your creation behind you just as you're leaving through the door.
Also, another studio falls to the im-sim curse with Arkane. Im-sim studio releases their magnum opus (Ion Storm with Deus Ex 1, Irrational Games with Thief 2 and System Shock 2, Eidos with Deus Ex MD, and now Arkane with Prey), and proceeds to go under.
What MS did to Tango is unforgiveable, I was never a Tango fan, I found The Evil Within to be solely derivative of RE4, it wasn't just inspirations, it was story beats and everything, but it had charm, it was a fun 8 hours, it's just going into another experimence and bumping into the same rocks as another game I like more so I didn't but TEW2 but I was greatfully surprised when I bought Hi-Fi Rush and found out it was a Tango game.
Then I watched a YT documentary about how Mikami wanted the studio to he a place for young people to enter and learn the trade and mande me respect it a lot so this? This is just wiping away a man's hard work at the altar of ESG and DEI. Probably those new faces were hard working folks, mainly white and asian, not enough DEI to be milked from it.
YOU SIR ARE A MAN OF CULTURE
@@conker2185 Prey deserves all the love it gets and so much more. Such a pathetic sight, how im-sim devs have been crushed by the industry.
EverWild, Fable, Perfect Dark, and State of Decay 3 should’ve been indicators of how the management are clueless at their job.
I miss the glory days of Halo and Gears of War. Good times.
Arkane died after the release of dishonored 2 for me, its because in dishonored 2 they removed some of the good A.I mechanics that dishonored 1 had. if you are skilled you could do extreme cool and fun assasinations with the enemy A.I because game was designed around those mechanics but all that shit removed on second game.
not only that but dishonored 1 don't have a single stuttering issue meanwhile sequels have and if you are sensitive to stuttering in games its a torture to play the game. and all that shows me how they start to not care about the sequels. dishonored 1 is one of my favourite game of all time even my father watched me in the back while i do cool assassinations. its sad that they ruined it.
then that ign's 10/10 scored best game of all time fiasco came, yeah the Deathloop. absolute garbage, imagine you are getting praise for a game that has numerous amount of design flaws and performance problems even on high end machines just because the game has black lead characters , they even wrote deathloop was the first game did that, these people even heard of legendary GTA: San Andreas?
and then the legendary Redfall came, i said legendary not because of it was an amazing game but because it was a legendary failure, now lets put huge amount of technical issues and awful A.I aside , the basic design choices they went with this game showed us that this studio forgot how to develop games. i'm saying this for the people not played that turd, imagine guys you are designing a class in your game and that class's special ability is calling your cringe "vampire" EX BOYFRIEND with a phone so he could fight for you for a limited time. not even current boyfriend btw its "ex boyfriend" , they specifically telling you that on skill description so they can give you this "oh your girlfriend dumbed you? just continue to be her simp and run to her help whenever she needs 🙄. these were the proof for me how much Arkane developers became out of touch with gamers nowadays. guys i was playing captain commando, tekken, dinosaurs and cadillacs on arcade saloons back in the day. they were basic games, 2D, basic concepts but they were extremely fun. now seeing these kind of turds asking for a 70$ price is legit hurting my soul. there is no love, no passion, not an ounce of care for the gamers. its just "the message".
seeing how they became woke and incompotent with huge amount of technical problems over the years, i think all of the good talented people already left the studio before its closing and what we have was these people who hate video games and gamers but still working in that industry because the payment is good and they can inject "the message" on these products. i'm sad that i lost original Arkane years ago not this already ruined one tbh.
For me it was MachineGames. They came out strong with my 2nd favorite Wolfenstein of all time, Wolfenstein The New Order and The Old Blood. Then they just went downhill with New Colossus and especially Youngblood.
I'm not hyped at all for their Indiana Jones game. MachineGames went DEI/ESG, just like Arkane.
Hate to see what Xbox is gonna do with Activision Blizzard games.
Oh how the xbots rejoiced wen activision was bought!
But no company spends 70 billion and doesnt make cuts somewhere else.
These xbots couldnt, or didnt want to see the long term bigger picture!
All they were bothered about, was taking cod away from playstation!
Wen phil spencer took xbox by the reins, xbox was in 3rd place.
10 years later, xbox is still in 3rd place, so how actually, has phil saved xbox?
He gave fans a load of controllers, a fridge and wat ever else gimmicks u can get.
But where were the system selling exclusives phil?
Console exclusives are the life blood of a console!
Its the whole point of having a console!
Xbox blew it big time and they wont recover!
How many system selling exclusive games, could 70 billion have funded??
Such a shame!
Controllers? Xbox is stagnant even in that department, the Xbox series controller is embarassing. It's the same as the Xbox One controlller (2013). Not only that, but it costs the same as a Dualsense, it's a complete scam.
Xbox went from beating Sony during the 7th gen of consoles to being dead last for two gens now. The freakin Switch beats the XBXS and it has nowhere near the power. Embarrassing.
At this point, Xbox might as well go 3rd party like Sega.
Man its a shame we'll never see an Evil Within 3.
Story is adequate, but that gameplay was outstanding.
It’s sad when big companies put profit over people and I hope everyone that worked at those closed studios will be ok.
People were capping for Hifi Rush being "shadow dropped" and how great it is
Shadow drop is just a marketing term to hide the fact that the company does not want to spend money marketing it
There's a reason Starfield was not shadow dropped
Granted it could work but I'm sure it would require a big/established title
Plus, gamepass doesn't help sales. It helps developers because it's secured money from MS (if you negotiate well or if you're unsure if the game would sell well) but if you're Xbox 1st party, I doubt that MS would pay them a lump sum on top of their existing contract/salary & bonus structure
Game Pass tends to kill sales. People only play the games while they are part of it. They don't tend to buy them.
Take Gears 5 for example, bunch of people played it on Game Pass. But in terms of actual sales? It was the worst selling entry in the franchise.
Even Starfield didn't sell as much as past Bethesda AAA games. It was on Game Pass Day 1 too.
Lmao! I love your take. I know people are mad about this and it is messed up but at the same time IMO, those indie games didn't look like the type of games that would be fire. Focusing on their biggest IPs and making more games for them like how HBO is trying to make GoT spinoffs everywhere seems like a better investment. Also, Redfall seemed like it was gonna be DOA. The only studio that took a loss was the studio who made Dishonored, but even that game franchise seemed to be pretty niche.
MS want other bethesta team making fallout while the main team work in Elder Scrolls 6.
These studios were sacrificed to form another team within BGS.
Probably because Todd Howard doesn't want a studio outside his control making Fallout.
Ultimately, the success of the Fallout show could be one of the factors catalyzing these events.
They have Obsidian, it would be cool to see a New Vegas 2
@@ileftylee Todd will not allow it. He afraid of be overshadowed again by obsidian
Did you believe that XBox is a thing in MSoft, their goal is going full BAD publisher and I think they will ruin Call of Duty, as they ruin all the studios they have bought.
Good luck with all their great assets having left. They re no more capable of developping a banger.
Call of Duty already ruined itself. They chased after the Fortnite audience. Pure cringe seeing Fortnite skins in CoD.
Only feel bad for Tango Games. They actually made games I bought, especially The Evil Within 1&2. Xbox just completely lost the Japanese market with this dumb move. No wonder Shinji Mikami left in 2023.
Redfall devs deserved it. And so do the devs behind Starfield, but of course they weren't shut down. Xbox is done...
I think Microsoft made the right call. Bethesda is spreading themselves too thin. It's ridiculous that we have to wait OVER TEN YEARS for a new Elder Scrolls/Fallout game and they decided not to outsource any new games to other developers ever since Fallout New Vegas...'cuz why? Hubris? They think the Fallout franchise should belong only to them? Well whatever, but if that's the case then Bethesda needs to have a tighter focus.
The "why" is not complicated. They have a fiduciary responsibility and with their costly flops and bad ROI, they are trimming the fat. This is normal for all businesses and has been forever.
While I understand what those who were let go will now be dealing with, its an unfortunate necessity because of their fiduciary duty.
They did keep on employees from those studios, the ones who had made themselves highly valuable in one way or another.
No thanks, I like to own my games ... and I rather perfectionate and update my old ones and start emulating them than starting or buying anything new since it ALLWAYS finds a way to suck and fail in the short run ... not even mid.
A few fans seem to think that some of these employees aren't being let go but will be assigned to work on Fallout 5. I have my doubts about that although Xbox has to do something to take advantage of the tv show.Todd is talking up Fallout 76 fallout 4 and the fallout mobile games but those aren't nearly enough. Fallout 4 is showing its age. Fallout 76 is still awful. Less awful but still awful. The mobile games mean nothing. XBox can't wait 10 plus years for Fallout 5 when Bethesda just started serious work on ESVI. So it's possible but I have my doubts. There's no proof that will happen.
I want Xbox to remove FNV IP from Bethesda and give it to Obsidian
Current day Obsidian is just like current day Volition…..
*I hate to see it but I love to see it 👍 take your time, put out the BEST product you can or BATHE in the flames of foreclosure* 🔥💀
Thank You for Another Great One, Beloved Immortal.
these companies need to be forced accountable not just stupid damage control. 2) Maybe this should'nt be allowed to be be self owned anymore. If i wasa investor i would be questioning companies at every turn once i start to see cheating of any kind involved . Maybe its time 4 us gamer communities to have our own company that non profi tt to fix games and rest asurred to remove these companies like dead flies. This is getting dumber every day .
all the top brass involved are chasing trends from 2010.
The exclusive bs these corporations are doing is so good for the industry.
Arkane LION, ftw!
It's BlackRock reasons
Never heard someone speak so much sense over this whole fiasco. I agree with every point he's made. Xbox leadership is an utter shitshow right now.
Nah Arcade Austin was gone. All i have to direct you is to see the lead of the Blade game, and you will catch my drift
I’m loving every minute of the hate train head towards Microsoft and Bethesda especially if this doesn’t wake them up that ppl want more innovation not cod nba2k iteration after iteration where the only thing that’s changing is the name on the box same old ass tech tho
Its been so long since xbox got a good game, actually insane at this point
Microsoft spent billions on acquiring Activision Blizzard, Bethesda, etc and it appears they are in desperate need to make that money up without having to increase the price of Xbox Game Pass.
I own both consoles and just wont be getting an xbox next console generation ill wait and get a ps6 only had problems with mine and games always play worse on it.
Microsoft is like the grim reaper, whatever they acquire tends to die out
Their EA 2.0.
Damn man. It's time for self publishing because these publishers are just destroying things left and right. Anyone asking Xbox or Sony to publish their games is asking for trouble, I hope game devs are paying attention.
Ur sister Hannah Gadsby is heaps funny😂
The reason Bethesda and activision wanted to sell was because they knew they were fucked. I give call of duty 5 more years before it’s as irrelevant as halo or gears
I've alway thought Microsoft were quite bad at making games, they need an actual gamer organising things
Arkane was (sigh) a great studio. Many really classic games have their logo. Redfall was not their fault.... they produced exactly what their masters demanded. Maybe, if anyone is to blame, Mr Kotick might know (but he probably can't feel a bit of shame). So closing great studios that are only guilty of producing what the execs have demanded. Now that is SHAMEFUL. So don't say that you don't care about Arkane. They were probably one of the best studios around.... ruined by Bobby Kotick and now Phil Spencer (maybe we should call Phil... Mr Kotick). I hate to see studios run into the ground and then simply tossed away like garbage.
three trillion isn't enough they need more ... could be worse could be SONY releasing another CONsole no games no games studio's remaster the same shite since PS3 ...
You CAN'T fire Todd. Todd to me is kind of like...Benny from New Vegas. DESPITE alllll the wrongs done to me I still can't ...hate the guy.
None of that matters because what is important is that you can't have curvy women on xbox now.
That's what matters to gamers, I'm sure. 😂
I have to disagree with you on the fallout series. Fallout 4 was better than Fallout 3. Even the statistics say so. Which is why it came as a surprise to most that Fallout 76 was so bad. It was the first game that Todd Howard really let us down with an overhyped and dishonest speech about it.
microsoft destroying gaming that shit funny to me
Lots of judgements and opinions.
So now all xbox user are happy that got Activision I see why Sony was fighting back for them not to own it.
This gen is definitely one of the dumber ones. Both Xbox and PS. Terrible. I don't see the next gen being any better.
why are you lyng those studios were already dead everybody important had left long ago
lololololololol 😂
2:25 Prey is the most overrated game of the last decade and was a total flop commercially