A 3 point is absolutely necessary in my yard because of unevenness. 2 things I've found with my JD z930. First, watch the casters. You don't want them flipping around because they will create divots. Moving them smoothly helps with knowing what the rear wheels are doing. Second, don't ever stop a single rear wheel. Don't get into the habit of rolling just the outside wheel while turning. While you can put one stick forward and the other one backward, you'll do a lot less damage moving both sticks in the same direction. It's tough to feel while you're doing it, but transitioning one wheel from forward to reverse, it actually stops for a second. Since the forward wheel never changes direction, it drags the other wheel and inch or two when it transitions. You want to only move the sticks in opposite directions from a dead stop.
This year was my first on a zero-turn, a stander mower (on my own property). Ok so I've watched a bunch of these youtubes on turning around, everybody is doing 3 pt or K turns, so I've been doing the same up to this point. But then last weekend, my hand pulled back on the lever for the inside wheel with other hand forward for outside wheel, ta-da!!!...literally a zero turn. No damage to the grass at all. So I finished mowing like that, everything was fine, and way faster/easier than doing 3 point turns. So now I'm left scratching my head, wondering why all you lawn pros ain't doing the turns that way?
Your property probably is good for that but not all lawns are the same. Some lawns are different and uneven or just wet. But some are just like yours and doing an actual zero turn works great.
I've been in business for 4 years now using 21" Honda's. I just recently purchased my first zeroturn (toro timecutter 42") and I thought the learning curve would be a bit easier than it is. I'm usually pretty quick at picking things up but even this has been more challenging than I was expecting. It can be much easier to tear up the grass at first especially when wet and I've even lost traction a couple times on small slopes. Definitely a little bit tougher than I thought it'd be
I hear you, this year was my first with a zero turn and I always tear up lawns. Im starting to think that the fact that my mower is on the heavy side at 1500 lbs is not helping.
@@schultzsw I have a 48” John Deere z920m It’s the highest model you can go and still have in a 48” deck. With it being that smaller deck you get narrower tires. My machine also has the upgrades full suspension seat that adds more weight and the mulch on demand deck that adds even more weight. My machine weights in at 1300lbs without an operator. My tires only tear up turf when turning around trees and randomly when I wanna turn one tire will just slip and spin chewing up the grass. I’ve been thinking about whipping a buck of turns on the asphalt just to wear down the tires and bet a touch less aggressive. I’ve played with tire psi and I think I might go back to messing with tire psi for better traction vs flotation.
@@kelkev85 Yes I bought my first one last year right before winter and it's so fun. This year I am using it more and even taking the turns very slow but it sometimes pulls up the grass. Though the soil has been very wet when the grass is dry so maybe that is the problem. I lowered my PSI to 13 for my rear and 15 for the front.
When you’re turning put the other wheel in a slow reverse . It’s the tread being twisted on the grass that causes marks. As long as both wheels are turning while you’re making a turn you’ll get no marks.
Thanks for that video! I just bought a used Scag TT1-61, and put some Carlisle Versa Turf tires on it. I mowed for the first time on a zero turn, one day after rain, and exactly what you showed just happened. Luckily, I noticed it right away, and adjusted my turns to minimize the damage.
I don't cut grass when is been raining. I always slow down when making turns. When you're forcing one wheel to rotate around a stopped wheel you are asking for trouble. I make my turn wide and slow. Thanks for the information and video.
I think the point, if not mentioned, is that both rear wheels are always moving when turning. Never spin on a stationary tire. I never hear this simple, salient point mentioned. Again, if I missed it, ok.
No, you didn't miss it. It was not mentioned. There are MANY operators who like to cut rectangles, with corners that use a 'planted' inside tire. That's what I expected to be discussed here, instead of NASCAR operators.
Its like driving a car. You CAN do a lot of things. However, it takes but one screw up to figure out maybe i should do the thing that doesnt cause me a headache. Lol. Always box out two passes and then you have clearance to turn smoothly.
Thanks for this video being a beginner on these it helps having examples. And these do take practice and figuring out the what tos and what nots. I can see why some people stick with traditional mowers youre having to relearn how to drive
I’ve had thousands of hours on a zero turn, yet we have had SOOOO much rain, it is nearly impossible to ride a lawn clean. I have slowed down my turning and gotten very soft on my controls, and even still if the ground is saturated and you put an 850lb mower on it….wont be pretty. We are in leaf clean up now and some of my yards have been too wet to ride on in areas that were never wet before, cant wait for this year to be done , tough year.
I was so excited when i bought my first zero turn. Until I actually tried some zero turns in the lawn and tore it up. I've been doing the 3 point turns but like you said, when its wet it has a risk of damaging the lawn. The other part I didnt expect with a zero turn mower was the need to overlap about half the with while mowing to get a good cut. Something I never had to do with a walk behind mower. Still love the ZTR mowers though!!
I had a lawn service . I tried to never cut the grass when it was wet . I don't have it anymore it got to much with my 3 other jobs it was" Gressmaster plus " but closed in fort Lauderdale Florida 20 years ago
Just the info I was looking for. Basically, be careful and go slower and not so aggressive especially when it’s wet or thin. I was beginning to think my new mower was just messed up. Thank you.
Turn into the end, then back up with both sticks one slightly more than the other after mower is moving, then forward same thing both sticks equally then gradually one more than the other. Tires make a big difference too. I switched from the "turf saver" SMH to the bar tractor style tires, much better traction and don't gum up.
Great info! I'm just a broken down homeowner but after buying my first zero turn last year, I keep watch on the weather too. I especially like to mow on those "breezy" days!
My buddy has a toro just like that and first thing I noticed compared to my bobcat is the tires that look almost like atv tires. They seem to tear up grass fairly easy
I got the Toro Timecutter Max 54" with the super gnarly ATV tires recently and it's done a very clean job on my huge hilly yard. Very impressed with the traction and quality of cut. I do not mow when it rains, but part of the lawn is a drainage area. On that part I just go half speed and its all good. In fact the lawn tractor that this replaced rutted out my lawn a lot more than the Toro (which is none at all :)
I will just keep going around the perimeter, like you would mow with a lawn tractor. That way you only have to do 90 degree turns. It's important to keep both drive wheels moving, you don't want one to stop and you pivot around it
Jason you sound a little under the weather brother 🤧. Just to add to what your saying about turning correctly over time once I learned how to do the 3 point turn it took me a while to get into the habit of doing it that was half battle trying to remember to do so. When the habit is there, it becomes second nature. This year I have developed a new technique. When arriving at the end of my pass I’ve learned to back up with both wheels moving then slowly pushing one of my controls forward. It’s a little less time consuming than a full blown 3 pointer but just as safe. Having both back tires moving one in one direction while the other in the opposite direction turns the mower 180 degrees without scuffing up the turf. The issue becomes when one tire is stationary while the other is moving, keeping both tires moving eliminates the scuffing. Great video I always enjoy your material and your humor lol 😂
I don't have a Walker anymor but I still turn the same with my john deere Z445 that is 15 years old.I turn with one side going forward and the other side backwards. The key is coming to a stop before doing a 180 and matching the speed on the Left and right controls.
Thanks Jason. I think you may win the next NASCAR race with your current ZTR!! I try to not mow before 10 AM in heavy dew, and skip a day if we get more than 1/2 inch of rain.
I’d lose half of my hours and/or run out of daylight if I waited until 10am to start mowing. I’m assuming you’re referring to mowing your personal yard?
I don't drive like he showed , like Earnhardt ,My issue is since I replaced my rear tires only on My toro zero turn , not driving or cutting any different , but I m leaving ruts and tire marks ? the other tires where down enough to relace them Yard is dry when I cut it ? Seems like I tried what he says to do or not to do ??? thanks Jason for all Videos !
I feel like another pretty important point not discussed is making sure you pick up the deck anytime you’re doing a 180 degree turn. The deck wheels can really gouge the ground too. When I did lawn care it was the one of the harder things to get new guys to do
So I work on a BADBOY zero turn and I noticed when I’m doing my three point I’m spinning the grass on dry grass is there a trick for that you know of please and thank you
I just bought a Husqvarna z turn and my yard is very hilly and uneaven and rough and I am tearing it up when I try to slow down or stop going down hill and trying to turn a little or slow down and I cannot go on the side of a hill, it is bad do you have any suggestions
Put gnarly tires on it like the new Toro Timecutter Max has. I have one of those and my hard is pretty extreme hills and I have none of your complaints with it at all. Just don't mow wet or muddy grass with gnarly tires.
Great video, I use the 3 point turn or the K turn. I watch Brian from Lawn maintenance 3 point turn ( watch him if you can), but he's does on really good turf. I would like to see how he does it on turf like yours. I do have a question, How would your turn going down hill like around trees, or turning on a slope without ripping or tearing the grass? Thanks
On slopes, I have found that it takes powerful hydros to keep from sliding. Better quality zero-turn will make a difference in those situations. It would depend on the yard as to whether I would attack it up and down, side to side, or diagonally
I enjoy mowing with my recycler ( I am a homeowner, not a service) but - since I have arthritis pretty bad in my back - sometimes I use my Time cutter. It's a lot of fun, but still get the turf marks. Have tried pulling one stick slightly back when turning with the other....sometimes helps, sometimes not. My two cents worth....you were going WAY too fast on that mower. I have seen lots of services do the same. I am so meticulous. I would probably get fired! 😂
So true. On some lawns you can go full throttle the whole time but if you're mowing your own lawn you can take your time and do it nice. No pressure to move on to the next job and get it done quick.
Instead of turning into your next cut. drive straight to the end of your perimeter that you've already mowed around the area. And back around. to what will be your next cut lines you write up with it You got both wheels moving. I prefer it over. the three point feel like you get straighter lines that way.
Cloverleaf - make a couple perimeter passes to blow the clippings into the lawn, then reverse directions (so you’re not accumulating clippings) and make a “cloverleaf” 90 degree turn, and continue outlining the shape of the property. I rarely get turf damage this way.
Does a riding model like 316 TX husqvarna needs to do 3 points turn or can we do a normal turn(very different system,it seems it's ok but I would like to hear your opinion/advice) Wich one type is the best regarding dealing with uneven loan? Thanks again
If mowing is a fun or great get away you can be more creative too. Another way to minimize rips and make the stirpes interesting is start from the middle. Find the middle of the yard and make a first pass down the middle. Then expand off the first pass and throw the grass back on the middle and make your first 180 far enough from the end so your final 180 is at the end of the yard. The corners will need some cleanup and this will take some practice to find the middle and first turn around but the 180s become gentle turns instead of a bunch of aggressive turns with burn outs. Another fun way to mow and make the yard look really cool is find the middle of the yard or start at a bird bath and make expanding circles . Again some cleanup for the corners. different yard shapes will work better or worse for these techniques.
I own a heavy diesel Kabota zero turn, and I have to be careful even with the front casters twisting out the grass when going from forward to backward motion in tight places. In those circumstances my remedy is to cause them to make a figure eight as I reverse them.
Simple rule... if one wheel is stopped the other one must be stopped too. If one wheel is moving, both wheels must be moving (not necessarily the same direction).
I agree, don't turn on a stationary tire. but I noticed the last three point turn was not pivoting on a stationary tire so much as it was the tire sliding a little bit at the stop and possibly the slight spinning of the tire from dead stop to reverse motion that caused the damage.
The point is to keep both drivers tires moving. Anytime one tire stops, damage occurs. Thus the 3 point turn causes the least amount of damage, even on a Walker.
Cut in one direction and turn at semi-circle at corners. On 2nd pass cut what was left over and continue the mow in one direction with semi-circle at turns.
If you’re leaving divots/turn around marks you’re not a pro. Keep both wheels turning and make “K” turns. I have a guy on my crew that mows like he was doing in the video and it drives me crazy. I supervise a very large government contract so there are some areas that aren’t the prettiest so it doesn’t matter to some people however I want to show every area the same care as I would the nicest areas around our office buildings.
The perimeter pass is called the frame. Always make the frame last, unless the bed is within 2 pass. Stripe out 2-3 rows past a bed. On a good lawn you can re-stripe, and avoid throwing clippings in a bed and pass through the danger zone.
Hi Jason. I've watched a few of your videos and now I just subscribed. I'm pretty sure that was your property. What road are you on? That place looks so familiar to me. I drove for around 25 years, and I've been all over AL
I like to do the easy 3 point turn. I dont really know why they make them go so fast because you really can't cut at full throttle without tearing stuff up.
When you have plenty of acreage to cut (5-10+ acres), you keep sharp blades, full speed, and as few turns as possible, using the zero-turn feature only around obstacles and at slower speeds. Mainly, you want to finish the yard the same day. When I was a teen and only had a self-propelled 22" push mower, it took me 8 days to cut the entire yard then had to start all over again. Now I can do the same yard in less than 6 hours and a tank and a half of gas on a zero turn. There's no time to worry about "Finesse" and special turns, they come as needed, "Just Git 'er Dun" so you have time to do something else. The weed-eating takes another two hours so, the Zero-Turn allows you to make a day of it.
@@jdp5704 4.5 is a luscious lawn. That is the "branching height" of most lawn/Chinese grasses. The blades spread out at that height, and fill in the lawn. Otherwise they stay furled like an unopened umbrella 🌂 and are pokey instead of soft. Short grass is sharp because the blades of grass didn't open. Look at a larger plant like lettuce.
I never put a reverse on the inside turn tire. I tought myself on my lawn before I went out to mow others yards and I've never torn up a customer's yard. If you go out and mow like that then you either don't have customers that care and they just want it cut or you they're family.
3 point turn always. We had a guy who completely destroyed someones yard and act like nothing happened. From now on you gotta watch guys to see if they actually know what the hell theyre doing
For a large yard like yours, when it's wet . . . two permitter cuts, then ovals, skipping two or three deck widths between gradual turns. There will be no turf damage. it's also faster. Basically, don't use the zero-turn feature when it's wet. Drive like you really are at Talladega (or whatever your favorite track is). You don't see zero-turn or gentle 3-point turn crap there. Just precision driving at high speeds. (Just because the zero-turn capability is there doesn't mean that you are forced to use it.) I do it on a 7-acre front yard even when it's not wet. Zero-turn work around the trees, house, garden area, chicken pen and shrubbery first on the back 5 acres. Two perimeter cuts at full speed on the front 7. Then it's wide open, slow down for nothing, Go 200 yards, ease off the left handle just a tad for the turn, then 200 yards, and repeat, Wide open all the way. We don't slow down for Zero-turn. (That's for Fraidy-Cats.) And the yard always looks great. Now, the bank at the front by the highway is a different story. I save the best for last. Precision lateral driving at greater than the recommended slope for 200 yards up a 60-foot slope with two culverts and a drain is a bit more . . . Challenging. It's a bit more like, what do they call that when the 4-wheel drive monster trucks go slowly over . . . Crawling, that's it, with the frequent slippage to the downhill side, that is actually quite fun on Zero-Turn, in an intense sort of way. Not for the faint-of-heart. (I've had to go get the truck several times and pull the mower out of one of the culverts several times.) But the Zero-Turn shines well above the capabilities of the old lawn tractor mowers (they used to get really scary). But even on that bank, you can do it with very little turf damage, even on the two places where you occasionally have to "Bail" and ride-the-slide downhill to the bottom. At one end you have it easy and the other end it's Zero, Y-Turn, combination or the two, or whatever it takes to get you turned around while sliding sideways or backward, or both. Loads of fun. My Dad did it, too, right up to the week that he died at 83. He loved it and did things on that bank that scared me.
A 3 point is absolutely necessary in my yard because of unevenness. 2 things I've found with my JD z930. First, watch the casters. You don't want them flipping around because they will create divots. Moving them smoothly helps with knowing what the rear wheels are doing. Second, don't ever stop a single rear wheel. Don't get into the habit of rolling just the outside wheel while turning. While you can put one stick forward and the other one backward, you'll do a lot less damage moving both sticks in the same direction. It's tough to feel while you're doing it, but transitioning one wheel from forward to reverse, it actually stops for a second. Since the forward wheel never changes direction, it drags the other wheel and inch or two when it transitions. You want to only move the sticks in opposite directions from a dead stop.
This year was my first on a zero-turn, a stander mower (on my own property). Ok so I've watched a bunch of these youtubes on turning around, everybody is doing 3 pt or K turns, so I've been doing the same up to this point. But then last weekend, my hand pulled back on the lever for the inside wheel with other hand forward for outside wheel, ta-da!!!...literally a zero turn. No damage to the grass at all. So I finished mowing like that, everything was fine, and way faster/easier than doing 3 point turns. So now I'm left scratching my head, wondering why all you lawn pros ain't doing the turns that way?
Your property probably is good for that but not all lawns are the same. Some lawns are different and uneven or just wet. But some are just like yours and doing an actual zero turn works great.
I've been in business for 4 years now using 21" Honda's. I just recently purchased my first zeroturn (toro timecutter 42") and I thought the learning curve would be a bit easier than it is. I'm usually pretty quick at picking things up but even this has been more challenging than I was expecting. It can be much easier to tear up the grass at first especially when wet and I've even lost traction a couple times on small slopes. Definitely a little bit tougher than I thought it'd be
I hear you, this year was my first with a zero turn and I always tear up lawns. Im starting to think that the fact that my mower is on the heavy side at 1500 lbs is not helping.
@@kelkev85 My Toro 42" in only around 550lbs and it still feels like a tank.. I couldn't imagine how tough it'd be within something 3x that weight
Congratulations on the upgrade!! How many lawns you did with the 21” ? Is this a PT or FT hustle?
@@schultzsw I have a 48” John Deere z920m It’s the highest model you can go and still have in a 48” deck. With it being that smaller deck you get narrower tires. My machine also has the upgrades full suspension seat that adds more weight and the mulch on demand deck that adds even more weight. My machine weights in at 1300lbs without an operator. My tires only tear up turf when turning around trees and randomly when I wanna turn one tire will just slip and spin chewing up the grass.
I’ve been thinking about whipping a buck of turns on the asphalt just to wear down the tires and bet a touch less aggressive. I’ve played with tire psi and I think I might go back to messing with tire psi for better traction vs flotation.
@@kelkev85 Yes I bought my first one last year right before winter and it's so fun. This year I am using it more and even taking the turns very slow but it sometimes pulls up the grass. Though the soil has been very wet when the grass is dry so maybe that is the problem. I lowered my PSI to 13 for my rear and 15 for the front.
When you’re turning put the other wheel in a slow reverse . It’s the tread being twisted on the grass that causes marks. As long as both wheels are turning while you’re making a turn you’ll get no marks.
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Feel the tires😂😂😂
right, good point
What about compaction- my commercial contractor does the condo lawns seemingly at 5mph and at least going over the same spot 5 times.-- thoughts??
When u do a zero turn can the blades scalp the ground too or is it just the tires doing the damage?
Thanks for that video! I just bought a used Scag TT1-61, and put some Carlisle Versa Turf tires on it. I mowed for the first time on a zero turn, one day after rain, and exactly what you showed just happened. Luckily, I noticed it right away, and adjusted my turns to minimize the damage.
Will the grass come back on spot you tear up? Or do you have to re-seed that area for next year?
I don't cut grass when is been raining. I always slow down when making turns. When you're forcing one wheel to rotate around a stopped wheel you are asking for trouble. I make my turn wide and slow.
Thanks for the information and video.
I think the point, if not mentioned, is that both rear wheels are always moving when turning. Never spin on a stationary tire. I never hear this simple, salient point mentioned. Again, if I missed it, ok.
No, you didn't miss it. It was not mentioned. There are MANY operators who like to cut rectangles, with corners that use a 'planted' inside tire. That's what I expected to be discussed here, instead of NASCAR operators.
I just think it was wet.And
like you said at the beginning if the grass was thick a healthy lawn usually it probably wouldn't have left a mark.
Its like driving a car. You CAN do a lot of things. However, it takes but one screw up to figure out maybe i should do the thing that doesnt cause me a headache. Lol. Always box out two passes and then you have clearance to turn smoothly.
Thanks for this video being a beginner on these it helps having examples. And these do take practice and figuring out the what tos and what nots. I can see why some people stick with traditional mowers youre having to relearn how to drive
I’ve had thousands of hours on a zero turn, yet we have had SOOOO much rain, it is nearly impossible to ride a lawn clean. I have slowed down my turning and gotten very soft on my controls, and even still if the ground is saturated and you put an 850lb mower on it….wont be pretty. We are in leaf clean up now and some of my yards have been too wet to ride on in areas that were never wet before, cant wait for this year to be done , tough year.
You should not mow in the rain. Where I,m from a rainy day is a shut down day!!
Been in the business 36 years. Slow up gradually prior to the 3 pt turn and dont rush and lawn will love you for it. I use the toro timecutter also
Thank you
I was so excited when i bought my first zero turn. Until I actually tried some zero turns in the lawn and tore it up. I've been doing the 3 point turns but like you said, when its wet it has a risk of damaging the lawn. The other part I didnt expect with a zero turn mower was the need to overlap about half the with while mowing to get a good cut. Something I never had to do with a walk behind mower. Still love the ZTR mowers though!!
I had a lawn service . I tried to never cut the grass when it was wet .
I don't have it anymore it got to much with my 3 other jobs
it was" Gressmaster plus " but closed in fort Lauderdale Florida 20 years ago
That's the whole fun of zero turns man. Grass grows back, fun is worth it.
Thanks for doing all your videos Jason they have been a big help for my small property maintenance business
Hey Jason, did you end up getting that cheat sheet done that has weeds listed and what product is optimal for it?
it is mostly done. I plan to put it for sale in the next week or so. I will probably mention videos
Just the info I was looking for. Basically, be careful and go slower and not so aggressive especially when it’s wet or thin. I was beginning to think my new mower was just messed up. Thank you.
Glad to help. Thanks for watching the video
Never had that problem with my Hustler, but have to take it very easy with my Toro.
These Tires have some aggressive tread
I don’t see anything wrong with the first example…🤣
Earnhardt Jr style
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Looks like me after 5 on a Friday
Yeah I took that personally.....😅
😂 I’ll do it if a customer doesn’t pay
I have to wonder if tire pressure and throttling down would help?
Turn into the end, then back up with both sticks one slightly more than the other after mower is moving, then forward same thing both sticks equally then gradually one more than the other. Tires make a big difference too. I switched from the "turf saver" SMH to the bar tractor style tires, much better traction and don't gum up.
Finally! Someone that knows what he’s doing!! Thank you for sharing for the mass turf scuffers!
I do my best to watch the weather and plan when to mow. I've been caught in a drizzle and finished but for the most part I cut before it rains.
Great info! I'm just a broken down homeowner but after buying my first zero turn last year, I keep watch on the weather too. I especially like to mow on those "breezy" days!
My buddy has a toro just like that and first thing I noticed compared to my bobcat is the tires that look almost like atv tires. They seem to tear up grass fairly easy
I got the Toro Timecutter Max 54" with the super gnarly ATV tires recently and it's done a very clean job on my huge hilly yard. Very impressed with the traction and quality of cut. I do not mow when it rains, but part of the lawn is a drainage area. On that part I just go half speed and its all good. In fact the lawn tractor that this replaced rutted out my lawn a lot more than the Toro (which is none at all :)
I will just keep going around the perimeter, like you would mow with a lawn tractor. That way you only have to do 90 degree turns. It's important to keep both drive wheels moving, you don't want one to stop and you pivot around it
Used to have lawn lady tear up my lawn with her ZT now got my own and do myself. I tear up too like running from the po po. 😆 But the k turns help.
I mowed a little 6x6 yard like this today. I won’t need to go back for a full season 👌🏻
Jason you sound a little under the weather brother 🤧. Just to add to what your saying about turning correctly over time once I learned how to do the 3 point turn it took me a while to get into the habit of doing it that was half battle trying to remember to do so. When the habit is there, it becomes second nature. This year I have developed a new technique. When arriving at the end of my pass I’ve learned to back up with both wheels moving then slowly pushing one of my controls forward. It’s a little less time consuming than a full blown 3 pointer but just as safe. Having both back tires moving one in one direction while the other in the opposite direction turns the mower 180 degrees without scuffing up the turf. The issue becomes when one tire is stationary while the other is moving, keeping both tires moving eliminates the scuffing. Great video I always enjoy your material and your humor lol 😂
Yes, I've been a little congested the last few days
I don't have a Walker anymor but I still turn the same with my john deere Z445 that is 15 years old.I turn with one side going forward and the other side backwards. The key is coming to a stop before doing a 180 and matching the speed on the Left and right controls.
Thanks Jason. I think you may win the next NASCAR race with your current ZTR!! I try to not mow before 10 AM in heavy dew, and skip a day if we get more than 1/2 inch of rain.
It moves fairly quickly
I’d lose half of my hours and/or run out of daylight if I waited until 10am to start mowing. I’m assuming you’re referring to mowing your personal yard?
@@flathead8534 Yes. Just my yard. The professional lawn crews in our area are usually starting by 8 AM.
It would depend on the weather.
I don't drive like he showed , like Earnhardt ,My issue is since I replaced my rear tires only on My toro zero turn , not driving or cutting any different , but I m leaving ruts and tire marks ? the other tires where down enough to relace them Yard is dry when I cut it ? Seems like I tried what he says to do or not to do ??? thanks Jason for all Videos !
Awesome work 👏
I feel like another pretty important point not discussed is making sure you pick up the deck anytime you’re doing a 180 degree turn. The deck wheels can really gouge the ground too. When I did lawn care it was the one of the harder things to get new guys to do
I do my "not so fussy" lawns on wet days and leave the others to dry out for a few days if I can. But, the 3 point turn helps if done slowly.
I like that strategy
thats what i do. or use an 80 lb honda on smaller yards just to get some of them done
For a beginner I recommend starting out slow. I started out on a scag terf tiger. Around 1500 lbs.
You can tear up stuff getting in a hurry.
Thank you for the video. Blessings to you.
So I work on a BADBOY zero turn and I noticed when I’m doing my three point I’m spinning the grass on dry grass is there a trick for that you know of please and thank you
I have the best results when I stop forward motion and start backing up. Then execute a zero turn while backing up.
Most def
I used to do doughnuts on round-abouts when doing city work. The results were flawless
Helpful video, thanks!
I just bought a Husqvarna z turn and my yard is very hilly and uneaven and rough and I am tearing it up when I try to slow down or stop going down hill and trying to turn a little or slow down and I cannot go on the side of a hill, it is bad do you have any suggestions
Put gnarly tires on it like the new Toro Timecutter Max has. I have one of those and my hard is pretty extreme hills and I have none of your complaints with it at all. Just don't mow wet or muddy grass with gnarly tires.
im new to grand stand at work and man any tips help
My rule of thumb is no mowing if the front tires get wet.
Thank you. This helps me.
Great video, I use the 3 point turn or the K turn. I watch Brian from Lawn maintenance 3 point turn ( watch him if you can), but he's does on really good turf. I would like to see how he does it on turf like yours. I do have a question, How would your turn going down hill like around trees, or turning on a slope without ripping or tearing the grass? Thanks
On slopes, I have found that it takes powerful hydros to keep from sliding. Better quality zero-turn will make a difference in those situations. It would depend on the yard as to whether I would attack it up and down, side to side, or diagonally
@@lawncarelife I have embark Lazer E series , I'm getting a little better. Just have to practice some more. Thanks for the tips.
Thank you SO MUCH! ❤
I enjoy mowing with my recycler ( I am a homeowner, not a service) but - since I have arthritis pretty bad in my back - sometimes I use my Time cutter. It's a lot of fun, but still get the turf marks. Have tried pulling one stick slightly back when turning with the other....sometimes helps, sometimes not. My two cents worth....you were going WAY too fast on that mower. I have seen lots of services do the same. I am so meticulous. I would probably get fired! 😂
So true. On some lawns you can go full throttle the whole time but if you're mowing your own lawn you can take your time and do it nice. No pressure to move on to the next job and get it done quick.
Instead of turning into your next cut. drive straight to the end of your perimeter that you've already mowed around the area. And back around. to what will be your next cut lines you write up with it You got both wheels moving. I prefer it over. the three point feel like you get straighter lines that way.
Cloverleaf - make a couple perimeter passes to blow the clippings into the lawn, then reverse directions (so you’re not accumulating clippings) and make a “cloverleaf” 90 degree turn, and continue outlining the shape of the property. I rarely get turf damage this way.
Will try that
Does a riding model like 316 TX husqvarna needs to do 3 points turn or can we do a normal turn(very different system,it seems it's ok but I would like to hear your opinion/advice)
Wich one type is the best regarding dealing with uneven loan?
Thanks again
If mowing is a fun or great get away you can be more creative too. Another way to minimize rips and make the stirpes interesting is start from the middle. Find the middle of the yard and make a first pass down the middle. Then expand off the first pass and throw the grass back on the middle and make your first 180 far enough from the end so your final 180 is at the end of the yard. The corners will need some cleanup and this will take some practice to find the middle and first turn around but the 180s become gentle turns instead of a bunch of aggressive turns with burn outs. Another fun way to mow and make the yard look really cool is find the middle of the yard or start at a bird bath and make expanding circles . Again some cleanup for the corners. different yard shapes will work better or worse for these techniques.
3 point works great.
Was playing the drinking game, taking a shot for each "zero turn". Was sheet faced from the start.
I own a heavy diesel Kabota zero turn, and I have to be careful even with the front casters twisting out the grass when going from forward to backward motion in tight places. In those circumstances my remedy is to cause them to make a figure eight as I reverse them.
In my experience rain is a NO GO for mowing! Runnin' from the police, racing at Talladega!!! You,r such a CRAZEEEE dude!😮😮😮😂🤣😂🤣
Thanks for the video, I often forget to say that.
Thanks for sharing
Thank you brother
Are there any zero turn mowers with an opening on the front of the deck so that it doesn't push down large woody weeds?
I bet you enjoyed the heck outta that first run. 🤣
It was fun
Where I live grass is back in a week. Even during the winter.
Simple rule... if one wheel is stopped the other one must be stopped too. If one wheel is moving, both wheels must be moving (not necessarily the same direction).
I agree, don't turn on a stationary tire. but I noticed the last three point turn was not pivoting on a stationary tire so much as it was the tire sliding a little bit at the stop and possibly the slight spinning of the tire from dead stop to reverse motion that caused the damage.
The point is to keep both drivers tires moving. Anytime one tire stops, damage occurs. Thus the 3 point turn causes the least amount of damage, even on a Walker.
Also make sure to grease your front axles and spindles regularly and proper air pressure in all tires! I have spoken!!!!
It would be helpful if you could describe what a 3pt turn is and how to execute it. But i sure do know how soft your lawn is. 😆
I totally agree. Everybody's talking about 3pt turns, but nobody explains what one is. This is the 1st time I've ever heard this term...?????
Cut in one direction and turn at semi-circle at corners. On 2nd pass cut what was left over and continue the mow in one direction with semi-circle at turns.
Does Tweels also help with this?
That's a good question. I don't know the answer. Maybe someone watching can comment on that
I think front wheels do as much damage especially the flat free front tires
Use a push mower in wet areas. The wider and slower the turn the better.
how should we turn around trees,shrubs?Just go superslow?
I like a small three-point turn
If you’re leaving divots/turn around marks you’re not a pro. Keep both wheels turning and make “K” turns. I have a guy on my crew that mows like he was doing in the video and it drives me crazy. I supervise a very large government contract so there are some areas that aren’t the prettiest so it doesn’t matter to some people however I want to show every area the same care as I would the nicest areas around our office buildings.
You really should wear hearing protectors.
Running from the police! Love it! Great video. Drive it like you stole it works too.
Uhhh we got zero turns to be able to make zero turns. If i wanna do 3 point turns I'll just get on my old lawn tractor. Dam that grass
Thank you so much!!!!
I thought my deck wheels were causing the damage on my centipede lawn.
I Will Slow Down.
I Will Slow Down.
The perimeter pass is called the frame. Always make the frame last, unless the bed is within 2 pass. Stripe out 2-3 rows past a bed. On a good lawn you can re-stripe, and avoid throwing clippings in a bed and pass through the danger zone.
Hi Jason. I've watched a few of your videos and now I just subscribed. I'm pretty sure that was your property. What road are you on? That place looks so familiar to me. I drove for around 25 years, and I've been all over AL
Both rear wheels simply have to keep moving either forward or backward to make the turn around. Luggy tires on those 2000s do not help for sure.
It does have aggressive tread
Nothing he said helped me with this issue. I thought he’d provide some special stick technique
Very informative
Great video ..
I truly appreciate
good luck sir
I like to do the easy 3 point turn. I dont really know why they make them go so fast because you really can't cut at full throttle without tearing stuff up.
Speed and power sells
When you have plenty of acreage to cut (5-10+ acres), you keep sharp blades, full speed, and as few turns as possible, using the zero-turn feature only around obstacles and at slower speeds. Mainly, you want to finish the yard the same day.
When I was a teen and only had a self-propelled 22" push mower, it took me 8 days to cut the entire yard then had to start all over again. Now I can do the same yard in less than 6 hours and a tank and a half of gas on a zero turn. There's no time to worry about "Finesse" and special turns, they come as needed, "Just Git 'er Dun" so you have time to do something else.
The weed-eating takes another two hours so, the Zero-Turn allows you to make a day of it.
The question is will those tear up’s in the grass grow back during the spring time?
Spin n grin! I slide turns like im in fast n furious. Tell ‘em it grows back
Lower your tire pressure and adjust your blade height to match the other mowers. 4.5" is my favorite height. Work all year, not scam the customer
4.5" is an overgrown lawn emergency IMO
@@jdp5704 4.5 is a luscious lawn. That is the "branching height" of most lawn/Chinese grasses. The blades spread out at that height, and fill in the lawn. Otherwise they stay furled like an unopened umbrella 🌂 and are pokey instead of soft. Short grass is sharp because the blades of grass didn't open. Look at a larger plant like lettuce.
I never put a reverse on the inside turn tire. I tought myself on my lawn before I went out to mow others yards and I've never torn up a customer's yard. If you go out and mow like that then you either don't have customers that care and they just want it cut or you they're family.
That takes the fun outta 0 turn
Might want to slow the camera movement down a bit. The way it whips around so fast is enough to make someone seasick.
And always practice safety. A great product is. Mowing with a breeze.
I was getting one but what a bummer can't even zero turn on a zero turn. Kinda defeats the purpose.
3 point turn always. We had a guy who completely destroyed someones yard and act like nothing happened. From now on you gotta watch guys to see if they actually know what the hell theyre doing
Don't customers pay extra for divots?? We had so much rain this year all the lawns have been wet all year.
Yep
For a large yard like yours, when it's wet . . . two permitter cuts, then ovals, skipping two or three deck widths between gradual turns. There will be no turf damage. it's also faster. Basically, don't use the zero-turn feature when it's wet. Drive like you really are at Talladega (or whatever your favorite track is). You don't see zero-turn or gentle 3-point turn crap there. Just precision driving at high speeds. (Just because the zero-turn capability is there doesn't mean that you are forced to use it.)
I do it on a 7-acre front yard even when it's not wet. Zero-turn work around the trees, house, garden area, chicken pen and shrubbery first on the back 5 acres. Two perimeter cuts at full speed on the front 7. Then it's wide open, slow down for nothing, Go 200 yards, ease off the left handle just a tad for the turn, then 200 yards, and repeat, Wide open all the way. We don't slow down for Zero-turn. (That's for Fraidy-Cats.) And the yard always looks great.
Now, the bank at the front by the highway is a different story. I save the best for last. Precision lateral driving at greater than the recommended slope for 200 yards up a 60-foot slope with two culverts and a drain is a bit more . . . Challenging. It's a bit more like, what do they call that when the 4-wheel drive monster trucks go slowly over . . . Crawling, that's it, with the frequent slippage to the downhill side, that is actually quite fun on Zero-Turn, in an intense sort of way. Not for the faint-of-heart. (I've had to go get the truck several times and pull the mower out of one of the culverts several times.) But the Zero-Turn shines well above the capabilities of the old lawn tractor mowers (they used to get really scary).
But even on that bank, you can do it with very little turf damage, even on the two places where you occasionally have to "Bail" and ride-the-slide downhill to the bottom. At one end you have it easy and the other end it's Zero, Y-Turn, combination or the two, or whatever it takes to get you turned around while sliding sideways or backward, or both. Loads of fun. My Dad did it, too, right up to the week that he died at 83. He loved it and did things on that bank that scared me.
Hell yeah, I need help. SMH 😫
Thanks 👍🏽