Given the higher rpm needed for most of these 450's on the highway, I reckon a sweet point may be that 500 to 550cc capacity, with slightly taller gearing for those longer highway stretches. That way they'll be a true commuter during the week, and a great lightweight bike for exploring their limits on the weekends. Maybe a Tenere 550 World Raid with 20L of fuel coming in at 195kg and sub $20K would be where I see myself riding in the future, and I reckon the Chinese will have something like that pretty soon...
Purchased a “24 Ktm 790 Adv this year, certainly Cam issue concerns with the LC8C Motor, hopefully CFMoto has the issue sorted, looking at the Himalayan 450 as a secondary machine, love what RE is doing , Cheers !
@@Motozstu Yeah the 790 would be hard to go past when I want to go for a twin. How U liking it? Agreed I also love what RE are doing , when U walk up to the bike U can't help but think that is a nice machine Thanks for watching Regards Steve
@ The 790 has been amazing! Great on and off road, nice power. Having the fuel cell low is a game changer, if your willing to take a chance with CF Moto built engines I highly recommend
Yeah I don't have a problem with Chinese or Indian manufacture. If you look back in history the British were the dominant manufacturer in motorcycles back in the 50's and 60's but when the Japs entered the market they were gone in a decade. This could be happening again but it's the Japanese and European manufacturers that are at risk. The lower tanks on the 790 is a game changer I agree. Not sure why the Japs keep make banana bikes as I call them. Great size package I reckon not a believer that you need 1300CC's between your legs when going off the pavement.
@@dirtbikeadv Ha , true , Japan better step up because RE and CF Moto are building that Middle Weight Unicorn Adv bike we’ve all been wanting. As far as CF Moto goes, my confidence is high, the fit and finish of the 24 “ 790 is spot on. Ill take my chances, It will be interesting to see what happens to KTM , I highly doubt they will disappear Cheers !
Had the first model of the TT350 and loved it. Yes the 12v later version was a slight improvement, but the electrics were still weak, among many other issues. Technology has changed so much, it would be nice if Yamaha could make a modern TT350. Basically a WR350R. The 250's trail bikes are just a little too underpowered, and if made to perform are then too highly strung for long distance adventures. The over 600's are just too heavy for off road single track. So a 350-450 size is the sweet spot for me, but no more than 130kg. KTM350exc is nice, but too highly strung & too little oil & fuel capacity for adventure riding. KLX300 is good, but needs the 350 cylinder & larger fuel tank. CRF300 rally is ok, but could also use a 350 cylinder and better suspension. The old DRZ400 had good power & good oil capacity, but a little heavy & lacked 6th gear. The new DRZ400 is now even heavier & still lacks 6th gear.
Great video as usual Steve I do like the cfmoto450 great value for money, I currently ride a 2022 ktm690 at the age of 61 I came off it last Saturday and now sitting at home unable to work with 5 fractured ribs and fractured collarbone, and this is 4 months after I came off and hurt my ribs again, been riding since I was 15 off-road, and just like you sitting at home with plenty of time to think and look at bikes maybe I am not as good of a rider as I think I am and maybe the 690 being such a good bike it pushes me out of my comfort zone too much hence sitting here all banged up again, so maybe a cfmoto450 will slow me down a bit, this is the first I am feeling old mate.
@@jackchristodoulou197 Yeah I am a believer in riding according to my bone density ..we don't bounce anymore. I'm 59 and planning for the next ten years. I want to own and ride a twin at some stage so I'll do that sooner rather than later. Then as I head towards 70 I'll start to down size I reckon. Both the Mt450 and Himalayan look like good bikes to downsize too I reckon. Shame you've had a couple of get off it reduces the fun a bit.... Lol Get well soon mate Regards Steve
jack christodoulou197........so sorry you are banged up .june 2024 ,i did similar, 8 broken ribs,collar bone,collapsed lung, hit dog at 25 mph,, ktm 500, still hoping to do Moab in spring 2025. will be taking it easier . 68 yrs old body, still think im 28. by the way, dog is fine, bike minimal damage. i still have to deal with tightness of scar tissue. but i have come a long way and love my light weight street legal dirt bikes...i'd never own one over 300lbs/140 kg, yes and its the first time im feeling old as well. I enjoyed this video, you verbalised my sentiments as well as probably 10,000 other bikers...
@ bloody hell man you were really banged up, I still love dogs yes mate as we age we still think that we still have it until this happens, I now have a bit of pressure from misses and grown up kids to stop riding but never it’s in my blood just need to take it easy a bit, all the best mate
With the speed limits and high fines I think the 250 Suzuki V Strom looks like quite a good deal and at $6490 ride away the price doesn't look to bad either.
SWM is funded by a Chinese company but manufacturing is still in Italy. Here is from the SWM page - Funding for the company has come from China via the entity Shineray Group. SWM will keep manufacturing in Italy at Biandronno near Varese, in the old factory of Husqvarna.
At 67 I'm still riding and haven't had a hip operation, I suppose yours is because your getting old or maybe you dropped your heavy traily bike you better have another rest while the rest of us go riding. lol cheers have a quick recovery keep riding your a long time dead and time doesn't wait for any man ..... or women .
Nobdy will ride these days. My two mid 20’s sons were raised on dirt bikes, but are both too chicken to ride a street bike. Back in the 70s and 80s we had balls as big as grapefruits.
Yeah they are good. They are a bit unusual because they are a little bit stiff to wear but still do have a bit of stretch. I am assuming the stiffness come from them wanting to make them abrasion resistant. Thanks for watching, Regards Steve
I love 450s in the bush but find them very uninspiring on the open road. Would love to see one of the Japanese manufacturers build a v-twin to keep the bike narrow like what aprilia did whith the rsv550. No reason they couldn't keep it under 150kg.
As a rider of all types of motorcycles over the last 55 years and currently riding a Kawasaki klr650 what would have been called a trail bike in the seventies and is now called a dual sport or an adventure bike which I believe has evolved from the marketing departments of motorcycle manufacturers looking for another angle for the wow factor for sales all this has flooded the market with bikes that are either far too expensive or not suitable For the supposed purpose they were invented for also even though some of these bikes are from world renowned manufacturers they are also not meeting the quality standards these same manufacturers built their names on which makes purchasing any of these new bikes an expensive mistake until they prove their reliability or purpose over a few years of use so are you willing to take the risk on poor quality at $15 to $20,000 Plus the complexity of some of these machines seems ridiculous just for a trail bike the first time you drop the bike yes that does happen with off road bikes your electronic dash could stop working and hey presto your bike won't start bummer or your traction control or power modes don't work now your. 200 hp bike only has 50 hp bigger bummer but stuck in a mud hole 200 hp is useless anyway and cause you dropped the bike in this mud hole half your electronics no longer work now that really sucks 😢 so these crop of new cheaply made very expensive poor quality dual adventure sport bikes hey maybe there's another type we can have no only joking 😮 so if you wish to buy one of these bike talk to people who have one read. All tests and reports and check every detail and don't get tucked in to all the hype and extra.cup holders and heated mirrors and junk you don't need for an adventure which you can have on any bike just saying and guess what people when your out bush adventuring or trail biking dual sporting or whatever you wish to call it you better hope you don't blow a fuse or have some other issue cause they'll probably find your parched bones or at least some of them that the animals couldn't eat or take beside your expensive 200hp triple cylinder two cup holder off roader major bummer choose wisely just saying cheers
@@meeow3rides Lmfao... Yeah very valid points.... Give me simplicity over tech any day. Better lay down and have a rest now mate that was a rant of epic proportions... Well done U have hit the mark 👍
KTM has always had quality and reliablity problems for 30+ years. I had a 2022 KTM 300 XC TPI seize 2 times in under 7.4 total hours of trail riding. The 2nd time KTM put a new crate motor in it which was 500% better.
Gas Gas “fitted” for $23K. Bargain….not. Triumph was/is doing a deal to clear 24 stock. I just got a Tiger 900 Rally Pro in Khaki (which usually costs more than the black or red) with a Akrapovic exhaust worth $2300 pre-fitted in the pricing for $24500. I also have a 500 set up as a light Adv. 15l tank, rear rack, larger pegs and a OEM screen ($75 bucks) and off you go. The RE 450 is an outstanding bike. One that seems to be off people’s radar and another excellent option is the Triumph Scrambler 400X. It has options for a OEM screen (of sorts) and a rear rack. While I think the RE is the better option for range and longer distance highway legs the Scrambler may suit those who want a smaller lighter bike.
@@titaniumquarrion9838 Geez that's great price on the Rumpf. Interesting your thoughts on the Rumpf I thought with 3 cylinders it would have a lot of oscillating mass and be very heavy to ride. The RE is a single so didn't consider that but a great offering. Thanks for your thoughts regards Steve
Selling my Africa twin to go smaller 1st choice was ktm790 not now ktm are in strife.2nd cfmoto 450mt so once gone it looks like cfmoto for me.still have my baby a xl500r 1982 .
Why is it that just about every Japanese dual sport needs a tank and seat as soon as you get it home from the dealership? They (the Japanese) had better up their game or I agree with you they will be left behind. My dream bike would be a Yamaha 550-600cc single with 890 tanks and passenger pegs. No reason it couldn't hit sub 160kg wet with 20L in the tank if they tried. It wouldn't be cheap though.
@@mikeisland7382 Yeah totally agree just a big lack of R&D from the Japs. But frustrating I just wanna go sit in on the meetings at head office and set them straight.....
I waited for them to build a 450 with rally tower, low tank, and be capable of hwy speeds and gave up waiting. I bought the Kove 450 Rally and I'm a happy!
@@EverydayBronco-dh8hs The Kove 450 looks pretty sweet. I also waited a year for the Honda 450 rally they teased us with before buying a 450L and building my own.
Yeah this is since I made this video so really good to see. Love to see them do it with the DR650 but that might be a bit greedy.... Thanks for watching, Regards Steve
As a rider of all types of motorcycles over the last 55 years and currently riding a Kawasaki klr650 what would have been called a trail bike in the seventies and is now called a dual sport or an adventure bike which I believe has evolved from the marketing departments of motorcycle manufacturers looking for another angle for the wow factor for sales all this has flooded the market with bikes that are either far too expensive or not suitable For the supposed purpose they were invented for also even though some of these bikes are from world renowned manufacturers they are also not meeting the quality standards these same manufacturers built their names on which makes purchasing any of these new bikes an expensive mistake until they prove their reliability or purpose over a few years of use so are you willing to take the risk on poor quality at $15 to $20,000 Plus the complexity of some of these machines seems ridiculous just for a trail bike the first time you drop the bike yes that does happen with off road bikes your electronic dash could stop working and hey presto your bike won't start bummer or your traction control or power modes don't work now your. 200 hp bike only has 50 hp bigger bummer but stuck in a mud hole 200 hp is useless anyway and cause you dropped the bike in this mud hole half your electronics no longer work now that really sucks 😢 so these crop of new cheaply made very expensive poor quality dual adventure sport bikes hey maybe there's another type we can have no only joking 😮 so if you wish to buy one of these bike talk to people who have one read. All tests and reports and check every detail and don't get tucked in to all the hype and extra.cup holders and heated mirrors and junk you don't need for an adventure which you can have on any bike just saying and guess what people when your out bush adventuring or trail biking dual sporting or whatever you wish to call it you better hope you don't blow a fuse or have some other issue cause they'll probably find your parched bones or at least some of them that the animals couldn't eat or take beside your expensive 200hp triple cylinder two cup holder off roader major bummer choose wisely just saying cheers
greed is killing some big brands
Yeah it can kill a lot of businesses and brands. I see it a lot in the building industry.
It's killing the whole world right now.
Given the higher rpm needed for most of these 450's on the highway, I reckon a sweet point may be that 500 to 550cc capacity, with slightly taller gearing for those longer highway stretches. That way they'll be a true commuter during the week, and a great lightweight bike for exploring their limits on the weekends. Maybe a Tenere 550 World Raid with 20L of fuel coming in at 195kg and sub $20K would be where I see myself riding in the future, and I reckon the Chinese will have something like that pretty soon...
The kle500 may fit that bill. We will see.
Purchased a “24 Ktm 790 Adv this year, certainly Cam issue concerns with the LC8C Motor, hopefully CFMoto has the issue sorted, looking at the Himalayan 450 as a secondary machine, love what RE is doing , Cheers !
@@Motozstu Yeah the 790 would be hard to go past when I want to go for a twin. How U liking it?
Agreed I also love what RE are doing , when U walk up to the bike U can't help but think that is a nice machine
Thanks for watching Regards Steve
@ The 790 has been amazing! Great on and off road, nice power. Having the fuel cell low is a game changer, if your willing to take a chance with CF Moto built engines I highly recommend
Yeah I don't have a problem with Chinese or Indian manufacture. If you look back in history the British were the dominant manufacturer in motorcycles back in the 50's and 60's but when the Japs entered the market they were gone in a decade. This could be happening again but it's the Japanese and European manufacturers that are at risk.
The lower tanks on the 790 is a game changer I agree. Not sure why the Japs keep make banana bikes as I call them. Great size package I reckon not a believer that you need 1300CC's between your legs when going off the pavement.
@@dirtbikeadv Ha , true , Japan better step up because RE and CF Moto are building that Middle Weight Unicorn Adv bike we’ve all been wanting. As far as CF Moto goes, my confidence is high, the fit and finish of the 24 “ 790 is spot on. Ill take my chances, It will be interesting to see what happens to KTM , I highly doubt they will disappear
Cheers !
Had the first model of the TT350 and loved it. Yes the 12v later version was a slight improvement, but the electrics were still weak, among many other issues. Technology has changed so much, it would be nice if Yamaha could make a modern TT350. Basically a WR350R. The 250's trail bikes are just a little too underpowered, and if made to perform are then too highly strung for long distance adventures. The over 600's are just too heavy for off road single track. So a 350-450 size is the sweet spot for me, but no more than 130kg. KTM350exc is nice, but too highly strung & too little oil & fuel capacity for adventure riding. KLX300 is good, but needs the 350 cylinder & larger fuel tank. CRF300 rally is ok, but could also use a 350 cylinder and better suspension. The old DRZ400 had good power & good oil capacity, but a little heavy & lacked 6th gear. The new DRZ400 is now even heavier & still lacks 6th gear.
Great video as usual Steve I do like the cfmoto450 great value for money, I currently ride a 2022 ktm690 at the age of 61 I came off it last Saturday and now sitting at home unable to work with 5 fractured ribs and fractured collarbone, and this is 4 months after I came off and hurt my ribs again, been riding since I was 15 off-road, and just like you sitting at home with plenty of time to think and look at bikes maybe I am not as good of a rider as I think I am and maybe the 690 being such a good bike it pushes me out of my comfort zone too much hence sitting here all banged up again, so maybe a cfmoto450 will slow me down a bit, this is the first I am feeling old mate.
@@jackchristodoulou197 Yeah I am a believer in riding according to my bone density ..we don't bounce anymore. I'm 59 and planning for the next ten years. I want to own and ride a twin at some stage so I'll do that sooner rather than later. Then as I head towards 70 I'll start to down size I reckon. Both the Mt450 and Himalayan look like good bikes to downsize too I reckon.
Shame you've had a couple of get off it reduces the fun a bit.... Lol
Get well soon mate
Regards Steve
jack christodoulou197........so sorry you are banged up .june 2024 ,i did similar, 8 broken ribs,collar bone,collapsed lung, hit dog at 25 mph,, ktm 500, still hoping to do Moab in spring 2025. will be taking it easier . 68 yrs old body, still think im 28. by the way, dog is fine, bike minimal damage. i still have to deal with tightness of scar tissue. but i have come a long way and love my light weight street legal dirt bikes...i'd never own one over 300lbs/140 kg, yes and its the first time im feeling old as well. I enjoyed this video, you verbalised my sentiments as well as probably 10,000 other bikers...
@ bloody hell man you were really banged up, I still love dogs yes mate as we age we still think that we still have it until this happens, I now have a bit of pressure from misses and grown up kids to stop riding but never it’s in my blood just need to take it easy a bit, all the best mate
With the speed limits and high fines I think the 250 Suzuki V Strom looks like quite a good deal and at $6490 ride away the price doesn't look to bad either.
@@davidrochow9382 Yeah that is good value most of the Jap bikes are better value than the European brands
SWM is funded by a Chinese company but manufacturing is still in Italy. Here is from the SWM page - Funding for the company has come from China via the entity Shineray Group. SWM will keep manufacturing in Italy at Biandronno near Varese, in the old factory of Husqvarna.
@@redfrogauto9894 Thanks mate nice to get that confirmed 👍
At 67 I'm still riding and haven't had a hip operation, I suppose yours is because your getting old or maybe you dropped your heavy traily bike you better have another rest while the rest of us go riding. lol cheers have a quick recovery keep riding your a long time dead and time doesn't wait for any man ..... or women .
@@meeow3rides Good advice thanks 😉
Nobdy will ride these days. My two mid 20’s sons were raised on dirt bikes, but are both too chicken to ride a street bike. Back in the 70s and 80s we had balls as big as grapefruits.
@@ralphcantrell3214 Yes agreed we had a crack back in the day, mostly without helmets on Lol
I was thinking about getting one of those Acerbis jackets. Is it good? Does it stretch a bit?
Yeah they are good. They are a bit unusual because they are a little bit stiff to wear but still do have a bit of stretch. I am assuming the stiffness come from them wanting to make them abrasion resistant.
Thanks for watching, Regards Steve
I like the bikes with the high tank as it makes the seat hight lower so my short little legs can reach the ground
I love 450s in the bush but find them very uninspiring on the open road. Would love to see one of the Japanese manufacturers build a v-twin to keep the bike narrow like what aprilia did whith the rsv550. No reason they couldn't keep it under 150kg.
@@loopeyshooter503 Yeah hopefully they are listening.... But I doubt it 😔
CFMoto 4 wheelers are very good, reliable, well built & no where near as pricey as the Japanese 4 wheelers
As a rider of all types of motorcycles over the last 55 years and currently riding a Kawasaki klr650 what would have been called a trail bike in the seventies and is now called a dual sport or an adventure bike which I believe has evolved from the marketing departments of motorcycle manufacturers looking for another angle for the wow factor for sales all this has flooded the market with bikes that are either far too expensive or not suitable For the supposed purpose they were invented for also even though some of these bikes are from world renowned manufacturers they are also not meeting the quality standards these same manufacturers built their names on which makes purchasing any of these new bikes an expensive mistake until they prove their reliability or purpose over a few years of use so are you willing to take the risk on poor quality at $15 to $20,000
Plus the complexity of some of these machines seems ridiculous just for a trail bike the first time you drop the bike yes that does happen with off road bikes your electronic dash could stop working and hey presto your bike won't start bummer or your traction control or power modes don't work now your. 200 hp bike only has 50 hp bigger bummer but stuck in a mud hole 200 hp is useless anyway and cause you dropped the bike in this mud hole half your electronics no longer work now that really sucks 😢 so these crop of new cheaply made very expensive poor quality dual adventure sport bikes hey maybe there's another type we can have no only joking 😮 so if you wish to buy one of these bike talk to people who have one read. All tests and reports and check every detail and don't get tucked in to all the hype and extra.cup holders and heated mirrors and junk you don't need for an adventure which you can have on any bike just saying and guess what people when your out bush adventuring or trail biking dual sporting or whatever you wish to call it you better hope you don't blow a fuse or have some other issue cause they'll probably find your parched bones or at least some of them that the animals couldn't eat or take beside your expensive 200hp triple cylinder two cup holder off roader major bummer choose wisely just saying cheers
@@meeow3rides Lmfao... Yeah very valid points.... Give me simplicity over tech any day.
Better lay down and have a rest now mate that was a rant of epic proportions... Well done U have hit the mark 👍
KTM has always had quality and reliablity problems for 30+ years.
I had a 2022 KTM 300 XC TPI seize 2 times in under 7.4 total hours of trail riding. The 2nd time KTM put a new crate motor in it which was 500% better.
@@human1513 Yeah they have survived on brand loyalty a lot I've had 3 and they were no better than any other brand I've had
The AJP/SWM 610 engine is still made in the factory in Italy, just now SWM is owned by Chinese
@@ozadv Yeah cool thanks
Gas Gas “fitted” for $23K. Bargain….not.
Triumph was/is doing a deal to clear 24 stock. I just got a Tiger 900 Rally Pro in Khaki (which usually costs more than the black or red) with a Akrapovic exhaust worth $2300 pre-fitted in the pricing for $24500.
I also have a 500 set up as a light Adv. 15l tank, rear rack, larger pegs and a OEM screen ($75 bucks) and off you go.
The RE 450 is an outstanding bike. One that seems to be off people’s radar and another excellent option is the Triumph Scrambler 400X. It has options for a OEM screen (of sorts) and a rear rack. While I think the RE is the better option for range and longer distance highway legs the Scrambler may suit those who want a smaller lighter bike.
@@titaniumquarrion9838 Geez that's great price on the Rumpf. Interesting your thoughts on the Rumpf I thought with 3 cylinders it would have a lot of oscillating mass and be very heavy to ride. The RE is a single so didn't consider that but a great offering. Thanks for your thoughts regards Steve
Selling my Africa twin to go smaller 1st choice was ktm790 not now ktm are in strife.2nd cfmoto 450mt so once gone it looks like cfmoto for me.still have my baby a xl500r 1982 .
@@JamieBroughton70 Yeah CF Moto look good to me as well. Yeah keep the Honda absolute classic
Why is it that just about every Japanese dual sport needs a tank and seat as soon as you get it home from the dealership? They (the Japanese) had better up their game or I agree with you they will be left behind. My dream bike would be a Yamaha 550-600cc single with 890 tanks and passenger pegs. No reason it couldn't hit sub 160kg wet with 20L in the tank if they tried. It wouldn't be cheap though.
@@mikeisland7382 Yeah totally agree just a big lack of R&D from the Japs. But frustrating I just wanna go sit in on the meetings at head office and set them straight.....
I waited for them to build a 450 with rally tower, low tank, and be capable of hwy speeds and gave up waiting. I bought the Kove 450 Rally and I'm a happy!
@@EverydayBronco-dh8hs The Kove 450 looks pretty sweet. I also waited a year for the Honda 450 rally they teased us with before buying a 450L and building my own.
Is the ajp pr7 lams approved
@@shanecarrodus4335 Yes I believe it is as it is under 660cc's but I would check with your local licensing department to be honest
Yes it is.
@@CathyNolanAU Thanks Cathy nice to hear out from the experts
All of this is logic which has no place in business 😂
CF Moto KTM on the skids and going broke beware.
@@EllenDegenerate-o5b Yeah their in a bit of trouble. Got a 90 day restructure happening but not looking good
AJP for the Win...
Suzuki came out with a new 400cc looking good
Yeah this is since I made this video so really good to see. Love to see them do it with the DR650 but that might be a bit greedy....
Thanks for watching, Regards Steve
Still only 5 gears and for same price you can get the Kove 450 rally.
As a rider of all types of motorcycles over the last 55 years and currently riding a Kawasaki klr650 what would have been called a trail bike in the seventies and is now called a dual sport or an adventure bike which I believe has evolved from the marketing departments of motorcycle manufacturers looking for another angle for the wow factor for sales all this has flooded the market with bikes that are either far too expensive or not suitable For the supposed purpose they were invented for also even though some of these bikes are from world renowned manufacturers they are also not meeting the quality standards these same manufacturers built their names on which makes purchasing any of these new bikes an expensive mistake until they prove their reliability or purpose over a few years of use so are you willing to take the risk on poor quality at $15 to $20,000
Plus the complexity of some of these machines seems ridiculous just for a trail bike the first time you drop the bike yes that does happen with off road bikes your electronic dash could stop working and hey presto your bike won't start bummer or your traction control or power modes don't work now your. 200 hp bike only has 50 hp bigger bummer but stuck in a mud hole 200 hp is useless anyway and cause you dropped the bike in this mud hole half your electronics no longer work now that really sucks 😢 so these crop of new cheaply made very expensive poor quality dual adventure sport bikes hey maybe there's another type we can have no only joking 😮 so if you wish to buy one of these bike talk to people who have one read. All tests and reports and check every detail and don't get tucked in to all the hype and extra.cup holders and heated mirrors and junk you don't need for an adventure which you can have on any bike just saying and guess what people when your out bush adventuring or trail biking dual sporting or whatever you wish to call it you better hope you don't blow a fuse or have some other issue cause they'll probably find your parched bones or at least some of them that the animals couldn't eat or take beside your expensive 200hp triple cylinder two cup holder off roader major bummer choose wisely just saying cheers