Thoughts on the captions? Sorry for the desync in the later parts of the video. People seem to have trouble with my accent at times, so I decided to try and see what you guys think about hardcoded captions like that.
really liked the initiative haus!! I do feel like for some people it may be distracting, but it will help others for sure! I do feel like maybe sticking to youtube subs is an option to be considered too
So you know, they're very out of sync (and sometimes not present) in the "aiming with fingertip grip" section of the video. Personally I'd rather see them in youtube's built-in subtitles (with a pop up on screen saying that they're there), but I never had an issue with your accent so I'm not really the audience. They aren't annoying or anything though.
If anyone can't understand your accent, they deserve to just use UA-cam captions 😂 Your English is very understandable and you always go above and beyond with cadence and annunciation to make all even more clear. That's my opinion anyways👍
I had the same issue with pain in joints origionally too. It comes from finger flexors being too weak so they get overworked easily. They are also not used to load bearing so they feel shaky and insecure which makes you want to grip the mouse firmer or look for stronger contact. The number one thing for me with any fingertip variation is to be able to just barely grip it like the way you would grip a screen, enough contact to keep it firmly in place but nice and loose to not damage the screen. Extra pressure means extra fatigue, more cramping and this leads to a shakier grip. Its all a vicious cycle. Trying to not tense up or to put it more acturately, increase tension to the point it causes stiff joints or joint lock, is the hardest thing. I feel like a lot of practice or finger strengthening would help but the mental factor would be the biggest benefit as you would be able to put more faith in your light grip rather than second guessing it and subconciously feeling insecure and increasing tension. Either way im glad i witched my hand health has been way better. Constantt static grips are terrible for your hands so ghe extra movement of fingers is a major health benefit
Recently I've seen one of the best tips for light gripping, you have to try imagining, that you're holding an egg instead of a mouse and try to focus on that feeling consciously as much as you can while playing
i'm a fingertip user and been using it for over a year now. As stated in the video the grip is superb with adjusting the crosshair an extremely small distance which is very hard to do with other grips at the cost of your horizontal flick stability. In games like cs or valorant horizontal flicks are imo just as important as the microadjustment as your crosshair placement is just impossible to be on point consistently regardless of your level there for alot of wide flicks are involved. In my experience the fingertip grip is only recommended for people that are comfortable with it playing higher sens and it doesnt cause pain over a long period of playing so you can abuse the adventage while maintaining stability (fingertipgrip on lower sens just basically destroys your wide flicks stability)
I've been using m2k for almost a year. It definitely requires a mouse bungee, but after it has been bungeed well it feels like 95% wireless. Such an insane mouse, the bungee I chose was the pulsar micro bungee which i attached to the side of my monitor. 100% recommend trying that
I'm a lifelong 'active' (actively aim with my fingers) fingertip grip user. You might find that narrow mice will hurt after some time. also non-intuitively lighter mice will be more fatiguing, because it feels like you will need to apply pressure just to stay still (especially in tense situations), whereas heavier mice like ~90g will feel like you're moving around something stably attached to the "ground". So you might wanna try wider, but somehow shorter mice. the best mice for me I've found is the g502 (for everything but fps because it's 120+ g) and g403 aka g703 (I just switched to, from the g pro x) for fps. Which has its own problem of being too tall (so the wrist bends up too much). For me the problem is finding a mouse wide enough to be held comfortably but still light enough and have its "butt" short enough that I have lots of rooms for my finger movements. Also I found that actually modern mice designs with its "safe shape" curve uncomfortable. These aren't perfect but I can't buy every single mouse that exist to try them. Other mice I've tried: g pro x, glorious model d, xtrfy m42, xtrfy mz1 (after these 2, I swore off small mice). I'm looking at the glorious model i (which is a 70g g502 copy) but like g502 the thumb wing is a problem. so I'm actually kinda at my wits end and just settle for the g703. as reference I can navigate my 1440p desktop with just my fingers (at 1600dpi), and I use mid sensitivity: 33.385 cm/360* at 103* 16:9 horizontal fov (I always use same fov every game or its 3d visuomotor equivalent)
I started using fingertip a few months ago and it led me to a whole new style of grip. I use the HSK 4k Pro, yes, with grip for sure, but I don't use the right-click button at all. Instead, I use Z on my keyboard at my Right-Click. This allows me to grip my mouse with my thumb on one side and middle finger on the other side. I've found that by using my middle finger as a side grip finger, instead of on top of the mouse, it leaves my pointer finger being the only "pointing" finger during aiming and something about that feels less cluttered in my brain and therefore more accurate. Weird, but it's working for me.
Informative video as always haus :) I really like the new captions, however the part at 6:12 was a bit distracting, I think they'd be a lot better if they were synced with what you were saying like in the 2nd part of the video. Your videos seem overall more cinematic without the captions, but being more inclusive towards people who may have trouble understanding the accent is always nice. But as someone who tried getting used to fingertip as well, I've had very similar experiences to you. Worse consistency in my aim overall and pain in my finger joints being the main complaints, even after multiple months. I also think that most small, light fingertip mice seem to have more quality control issues while being more expensive than their claw-grip centric competitors. Anyways, keep up the good work!
Honestly, I've found that "longer" mice always felt better for fingertip for me. The m2k was really cool and having something be that light weight whilst not compromising in build quality is something that you can never really find anywhere else, however, the gpx, vaxee xe, and even the lamzu atlantis (full size, I really want to buy the mini but can't find a proper reason to lol) felt much better for me.
Took a while to get used to, especially holding down mouse buttons and re-adjusting. However now that I am years deep, I can't imagine how I ever played claw.
I'm a lifetime fingertip grip user (40+ years old) and I tried 50+ mice. :D Logitech egg shape (G203) if I want to use the mouse with hybrid fingertip/pincer claw and Steelseries Kinzu (maybe Kana) if I want to use pure fingertip grip.
I started on fingertip and I definitely can relate to injuring my hand when playing over an extended period of time. I find that in situations where I have to aim constantly (aim trainers and osu for example) I still can have issues. In games like valorant and overwatch, I no longer have issues though, I learned to only tense my hands when actively tracking or flicking to someone.
CoolerMaster MM720 allows for a more hybrid grip, fingertip and claw whenever situation arises, found myself liking this mouse a lot I been pretty much hybrid between fingertip and claw since the early 2000s when almost all mices were made for palm.
I've tried some printed shells which are similar to the m2k in shape, and the first thing I noticed with a mouse that short was unless I braced my ring finger or pinkie against the right side of the mouse (removing most of the benefit of fingertip) I could not for the life of me get good rotational stability, with my aim being thrown off whenever I made a large adjustment with my wrist.
I really love the fingertip grip. At first, it's really weird and hard to control. For medium to fast fps games this is what I use. For slow pace fps like valorant and csgo, I prefer claw/palm. I tried fingertip on BR mode and I don't recommend, makes my hand very tired and exhausted. :p Fingertip + Small narrow mice = perfection! great review sir! :)
I think something worth pointing out is that the HSK and M2K have a sensor which is super forward, whereas something like the S12 Small has more a balanced sensor placement (for fingertip). IMO that's why it feels so good, the others while you'd think are more optimal shapes, end up feeling jittery or slippery due to the sensor being so extremely forward. With fingertip the sensor tends to be more forward relatively to the wrist than other grips already.
Forward sensor placement is better for fingertip. Its relative to your thumb placement. Look at the Orochi V2. Sensor which is too far back feels sluggish.
@@kamrankambang7953 Most 'mini' mice with a more centered hump will work, safest option is a GPX which is your exact budget but there are also many similar shapes out there This video explains what to look for overall
7k hours in rust, 4k hours in tarkov, 2.5k in r6, and 2k in dayz over the last 9 years and I have used the same corded razer mouse and mouse pad the entire time. You really really don’t need fancy stuff to be good at games, just get comfy with what you have until it breaks.
As someone with large hands who has been curious about using small mice, this video was intriguing for a somewhat different reason (I use a hybrid fingertip/claw grip). 2 questions: 1) Did you have any issues with using the side buttons on the smaller mice? 2) How much of the discomfort you experienced would you attribute to using a fingertip grip, and how much to using small mice?
1. Side buttons were unusable for me in-game with ftip in any situation that you have to do any aiming or any accurate mouse movements whatsoever. 2. Almost all of it is because of ftip!
i have been a fingertip user all my life and my go to mouse was a g403 for years! in the last year i swapped to xtrfy mz1. it is a very good fingertip mouse but i don't nearly have that sense of control that i had with G403! So even if i am a fingertip user i prefer ergonomic mice!
"Numb-thumb" is a thing for us "Fingerers" as the first phalangy of the thumb is all about "stability". Also getting your wrist down will help with your egos. My daily driver is the HSK and I agree that the smaller shell isnt the "breakthrough" people think - Im looking now into other mice to take its place. The keys imho are yes veery much light clicks that can acuate from any place on the mouse button in the same way i.e. the click needs to actuate the same way with the same presure at any point on the mouse button In my experiance this isnt the case on many mice. The length of the shell is another funnny thing; It need not be that short for example griping the HSK I have about 50mm of void before my wrist. So mouse length isnt a factor. the side walls of the shell however are a big deal. I want lots of realestate on the right mouse wall and honestly some "flare" that you can nestle your "pinky" finger in would be ideal. The way mouse slope down towards the front is less ideal for fingertip you want your thumb firmly on the left wall of the shell so it must sit in an area of full contact. this is why side buttons can be simply a PITA in this grip style. sa a result I find us "tipers" griping back further on the mouse then you would think (the tip of my thumb bisects the sensor). This is also why clicks from any point along the mouse button is felling the same is ideal as your clicking a bit further towards the rear of the button and the travel of the click can be quite different at this point. My go too's are Zys Rail, HSK Pro and the Viper mini the piper mini is probably the best of these for finger tip but I'm looking for others to enhance the experiance further. The Aria looks promising as does the Endgame gear OP1 8K but also som others like the Orbit.
Im considering between the aria, x2 mini and atlantis mini for fingertip as i just learnt that i fingertip my g502 for years now. May i know your hand size?
@@kamrankambang7953 I am 19x10 and this was my first mini mouse and it works great for my hand size and ftip. Used bigger mice like the xm1r gpxs and larger ergo mice but the atlantis mini works the best. Not sure about claw I can do it but seem to revert to my preferred ftip even if claw can give aim stability for fps games. I just need to try get used to claw similar to the test haus did for a trial. But you can make mini mice work for my hand size.
one thing u can do is use a relaxed claw grip that doesnt touch the palm and use your fingers to microadjust and tuck the mouse in when u need that extra control on like left to right flicks in val or csgo
Wow awesome video. I'm actually working on something kinda sort of similar where I compare the advantages of grip styles and talk about how to choose a mouse. My finding were similar to yours and what you said in the video. I fingertip gripped for almost a year and claw gripped for the vast majority of my time gaming. Excellent vid haus as always
For me xtrfy mz1 wireless is great and it's for one specific reason - buttons. They have quite high profile and are very curvy. I feel my fingers are secure in one spot. Using few other mice I felt like my fingers are moving forward and ended up using claw grip because only then mouse was secure and stable in my hand. For now I don't think it will change, but I am waiting for rezer viper mini non signature edition to test.
Funnily enough I enjoy the MZ1 way more for an adjusted claw than fingertip grip! You can check my video for the mouse if you are interested in the way I grip it!
@@hausgaming I have seen the video. It was important for me while doing research before I bought the mouse. My hand is a little bit bigger than yours and that’s why for me it works better in fingertip than in claw.
I bought the HSK+ when it first released to completely convert to finger tip and I found it still couldn't compare to my small starlight 12. I ended up returning it and never looked back.
I have smaller hands so I think that the others that you dislike would be great for me, just ordered the g-wolves hsk pro core or whatever it is. Extremely excited for this mouse, like I said with my smaller hands there's a chance that I can even claw grip it lol. thanks for the review!
Love high sens and fingertip grip, but pain got to me as well and I had to make the healthier choice and go med-high sens and an ergo mouse with an ergo grip
I've changed feet, but only due to me having to open the mouse and test it! I used the LGG Saturn Pro quite a bit with the SL12, and the Hystar Mirai which is shown in the video. Otsu felt extremely good as well!
I use 1-3-1 grip I have the same problem with finger tip mice being to narrow. I settled on egg shaped mice I have relatively big hands so I need at least the size of the Fantech Aria which is my main at the moment, but the Corsair Katar Elite also worked well for me, but the tilted sides caused me to get my pinky stuck under the mouse sometimes...
Interesting. I felt the same thing when I use fingertip grip on GPX. It feels... much better, stable and improved my aim overall compared to when I use fingertip on something like Pulsar X2 Mini. Weird how RocketJumpNinja mentioned that a fingertip grip is best with smaller mouse but it doesn't improve my aim at all.
@@theycallmepotatomahow exactly does ftipping the x2 mini feel? I fingertip the xm1 and I have 20x10cm hands and it’s quite comfortable. I wonder how a shorter mouse would fair for me
@@dslander hard to explain. it is just ok. my main mouse is now Lamzu Atlantis Mini and its the endgame mouse for me. 1. Lamzu Mini 2. X2 Mini (yt edition preferably) 3. GPX (still not worth it)
very interesting points! did you try the mm712 shape for ftip? I have same handsize w/ relax claw and that's the only mouse I can fingertip without discomfort. the way the sides curve out towards the back gives a good resting point for my pinky
I feel like these companies don't understand fingertip grip. A genuine fingertip grip mouse will never have side buttons. When using a fingertip grip, if you attempt to push a side button with your thumb, then your ring finger is going to push your mouse wildly to the left, forcing you to regrip with your thumb. It seems as though a lot of people who think they're using a fingertip grip, are actually using a claw grip, where their palm is a point of contact. This is what allows you to use your thumb.
It's all about preferences. I own starlight 12 small tenz, pro x Superlight, hsk pro 4k and viper mini signature. Hsk pro 4k for fingertip is superior for me and my aim is much better thant the Starlight. g pro x Superlight it's the safest shape. Currently my main is the viper mini signature (testing the 8k polling)
I fingertip grip basically all mice that i own. But i must say the the most comfortable mouse is the xlite mini v2. even before the final mouse tenz. But today i order the hsk pro 4k to try it out :)
I have doubts about that! I've struggled with wrist and even finger issues in the past due to sports & gaming. There is certain pain/discomfort that you experience due to not being adjusted to something, and then there is pain/discomfort when you are using something that is clearly not good for you! Had I done this when I was 10 years younger without my past wrist/finger related sports injuries, I most likely would not have these pains. But I can't confirm that sadly!
@hausgaming the lamzu mini charcoal works great on ftip has better coating for it than the white. Shame you had issues with finger pain from it. I had it once when trying out the viper ultimate because it made me grip harder with fingers but haven’t experienced it years later testing other mice.
I've also found DAV3 Pro is surprisingly quite good for fingertip and have been maining it for some time. I have a HSK Pro 4k delivering today though so we will compare :)
I'm using the dav3 too and I often fingertip it. When aim training i fingertip 100% of the time because it gives me the most precision. ingame when moving around or doing large flicks i tend to automatically lower my palm so it has contact with the mouse which turns my grip into a claw grip. But whenever i rest my hand or need the precision from fingertip i automatically lift my palm up again. I never tried a finger tip mouse but normal ambi mice were uncompfortable to fingertip for me so i stick to ergos. I never got why so many people that ergos are bad for fingertip
@@Katze822228 i think its mostly people that dont really use fingertip, they just say what someome said once. ergoes are so nice for fingertip, i love the skoll mini for example
Which of mice that you've tried have the lightest clicks? I've been using the zaunkoenig m2k for about a year now, but its light weight combined with my prefered pads (raiden/skypad) and sens(20-26cm) is not optimal for comp apex. Main thing i like about the m2k is the light clicks.
My SL-12 TenZ Pro small has extremely light clicks, but there is huge variance between units on FM mice. Otherwise Xtrfy mice usually end up having very light clicks, but the M8 is somewhat an exception. Some GPX units I have have extremely light clicks as well, for example the black one! My red GPX has fairly stiff clicks.
@@hausgaming ok, will look into those. Are any of those clicks you mentioned lighter than the m2k? Modding switches might be an op options aswell I guess
Fantastic video! 🔥 Realt enjoyed the detailed breakdown! I gravitated towards fingertip naturally. My odd experience was that I increased my sensitivity but have been really enjoying it. HSK Pro 4K, XTRFT MZ1 and Finalmouse Tenz were my favourites on glass pads
Thank you bro! Glad you liked the vid. Plan was to test different sensitivies in the second month of use, but sadly the pain kinda screwed me over on that, and I had to stop the experiment!
i have always been a fingertip gripper and my current mouse is the gprox and i think that to really get used to a grip needs alot of time as u said ur pains could be because u arent used to it. Im planning to try claw grip and see how it goes
This is true, however what I mentioned in the video is that the pains started fairly early in the experiment and continued for more than a week and got worse during that time. It's usually a clear sign that you should stop. I've had wrist pain previously which is only due to me not being adjusted to a shape, that pain/discomfort usually is there for a day/two/week and it's only in specific moments, not all the time and does not get worse!
Nope, TechPowerUp has done all needed tests for it. It's pretty much the same exact performance as DAV3 8K, you can check my DAV3 review for the results!
I kinda wanna get a smaller mouse bc I use a gpx super light and my pointer finger and ring finger are at the back of the left and right click so I kinda aim with those fingers ig you could say and I'd need a mouse with the side buttons a bit further back bc my thumbs pretty far back
Interesting video, I really like fingertip grip for microadjustments in CS. Did you notice any impacts that mouse sensitivity had, did you have to change it at all and did certain ones feel better? My sens is somewhere between 45-53 cm/360 (2-2.4 @ 400 dpi) and I notice some sensitivities on the higher end feel better for microadjusting with fingertip. Razer Viper Mini on cloth pad
I didn't adjust my sensitivity at all, experimenting with it would've happened, but I had to stop the experiment due to the pain I experienced in my finger joints!
@@hausgaming Gotcha thank you! and it sounds like for CSGO you usually play relatively high sens (0.84@1600?). I'm trying around .475 and fingertip micro-adjustments seem really good if your crosshair placement is good. I imagine for higher sens it would get fatiguing
I don't know if you are still looking but I recently got the Keychron M4 and I am really enjoying it! I got it on sale so I don't know what it currently costs but they have a 4k and 1k Polling version and you can save a little bit by going with the 1k version
The shape of the mouse is super important, is if your grip on the shape is not constant then the sensor rotation is changing all the time. So if you do one hr of practice with a specific rotation, and in game if the rotation changes (the grip changes ) then the 1hr of training is good as shit. A consistent grip/shape is the most important aspect. There is a video by kovaaks on mouse sensor rotation if anyone want to have a look at. super important for fps :)
Thank you for complaining about heavy clicks. I feel like omrons were never bad, but just the superlights implementation was. I feel like all the switches nowadays like kailhs and optical are so sharp, and not friendly to someone like me who is prone to carpal tunnel. I haven't tried huanos but I hear they are even stiffer, but then I also hear the vaxee xe wireless' are super light.
I use fingertip on skypad 400dpi 3.8 sens i dont claw my fingers that much just grab mouse lightly and let fingers drop naturally on mouse and yer good to go
Bro I tried so many mice and I always go back to the G Pro 🤣 this thing is undefeated it’s crazy.. I do prefer the Starlight shape tho but FM qc is bad
its one of the hardest grips to master but once you get comfortable with the grip style and find a mouse that works well with it you can become an excellent gamer.
Jeah kinda found the same More precision overall But way less precision when needing to flick as fast as possible Theres a reason why close to no professional players in tac fps play fingertip
If the community listened only to “pro aimers” that play kovaaks everyday we would be royally fcked. There’s been so many shills for fingertip grip mice on UA-cam they’lol probably hate on Haus for saying why he won’t be using ftip anymore.
It's all personal preference, but professional gamers have to deal with different desks, chairs and they have to perform under enormous pressure. Having more control and comfort can prove to be key in these situations, as it has done for me in high tier LAN and online tournaments back in the day!
@@kamrankambang7953 idk how im just seeing this now lol, but i have 18x9 cm hands. I'd say if you're fine with a g305 shape, you'd also be fine with the Aria XD7
Thoughts on the captions? Sorry for the desync in the later parts of the video. People seem to have trouble with my accent at times, so I decided to try and see what you guys think about hardcoded captions like that.
ironically im using a jupiter pad and super duper slow black skates and im going to be installing the stiffest switches on my HSK pro 4k
These caption are Not for me. Found it distracting
really liked the initiative haus!! I do feel like for some people it may be distracting, but it will help others for sure! I do feel like maybe sticking to youtube subs is an option to be considered too
So you know, they're very out of sync (and sometimes not present) in the "aiming with fingertip grip" section of the video. Personally I'd rather see them in youtube's built-in subtitles (with a pop up on screen saying that they're there), but I never had an issue with your accent so I'm not really the audience. They aren't annoying or anything though.
If anyone can't understand your accent, they deserve to just use UA-cam captions 😂 Your English is very understandable and you always go above and beyond with cadence and annunciation to make all even more clear. That's my opinion anyways👍
I had the same issue with pain in joints origionally too. It comes from finger flexors being too weak so they get overworked easily. They are also not used to load bearing so they feel shaky and insecure which makes you want to grip the mouse firmer or look for stronger contact. The number one thing for me with any fingertip variation is to be able to just barely grip it like the way you would grip a screen, enough contact to keep it firmly in place but nice and loose to not damage the screen. Extra pressure means extra fatigue, more cramping and this leads to a shakier grip. Its all a vicious cycle. Trying to not tense up or to put it more acturately, increase tension to the point it causes stiff joints or joint lock, is the hardest thing. I feel like a lot of practice or finger strengthening would help but the mental factor would be the biggest benefit as you would be able to put more faith in your light grip rather than second guessing it and subconciously feeling insecure and increasing tension.
Either way im glad i witched my hand health has been way better. Constantt static grips are terrible for your hands so ghe extra movement of fingers is a major health benefit
Recently I've seen one of the best tips for light gripping, you have to try imagining, that you're holding an egg instead of a mouse and try to focus on that feeling consciously as much as you can while playing
i'm a fingertip user and been using it for over a year now. As stated in the video the grip is superb with adjusting the crosshair an extremely small distance which is very hard to do with other grips at the cost of your horizontal flick stability. In games like cs or valorant horizontal flicks are imo just as important as the microadjustment as your crosshair placement is just impossible to be on point consistently regardless of your level there for alot of wide flicks are involved. In my experience the fingertip grip is only recommended for people that are comfortable with it playing higher sens and it doesnt cause pain over a long period of playing so you can abuse the adventage while maintaining stability (fingertipgrip on lower sens just basically destroys your wide flicks stability)
Really enjoyed this one, always interesting to hear other peoples experiences of FTip with mice you (me) enjoy
Thank you!
finger tipping is not for everyone but this video is really informative to the people who never thought of trying a smaller mouse and fingertip grip
I've been using m2k for almost a year. It definitely requires a mouse bungee, but after it has been bungeed well it feels like 95% wireless. Such an insane mouse, the bungee I chose was the pulsar micro bungee which i attached to the side of my monitor. 100% recommend trying that
I've got the VAXEE Oryza, which is the best bungee I've tried. I also have a Pulsar Micro bungee attached 24/7 to the side of my monitor.
@@hausgaming Did the M2k cable fit in it well? Might give it a go!
@@hausgaming You should try IRONCAT 360° Mouse Bungee.
I'm a lifelong 'active' (actively aim with my fingers) fingertip grip user. You might find that narrow mice will hurt after some time. also non-intuitively lighter mice will be more fatiguing, because it feels like you will need to apply pressure just to stay still (especially in tense situations), whereas heavier mice like ~90g will feel like you're moving around something stably attached to the "ground". So you might wanna try wider, but somehow shorter mice.
the best mice for me I've found is the g502 (for everything but fps because it's 120+ g) and g403 aka g703 (I just switched to, from the g pro x) for fps. Which has its own problem of being too tall (so the wrist bends up too much). For me the problem is finding a mouse wide enough to be held comfortably but still light enough and have its "butt" short enough that I have lots of rooms for my finger movements. Also I found that actually modern mice designs with its "safe shape" curve uncomfortable. These aren't perfect but I can't buy every single mouse that exist to try them. Other mice I've tried: g pro x, glorious model d, xtrfy m42, xtrfy mz1 (after these 2, I swore off small mice). I'm looking at the glorious model i (which is a 70g g502 copy) but like g502 the thumb wing is a problem. so I'm actually kinda at my wits end and just settle for the g703.
as reference I can navigate my 1440p desktop with just my fingers (at 1600dpi), and I use mid sensitivity: 33.385 cm/360* at 103* 16:9 horizontal fov (I always use same fov every game or its 3d visuomotor equivalent)
Odd choices. By any chance do you have a fairly rotated grip with the thumb either directly in the middle of the mouse or further forward?
Ps give the razer orochi a look at. I think you might really enjoy it.
I started using fingertip a few months ago and it led me to a whole new style of grip. I use the HSK 4k Pro, yes, with grip for sure, but I don't use the right-click button at all. Instead, I use Z on my keyboard at my Right-Click. This allows me to grip my mouse with my thumb on one side and middle finger on the other side. I've found that by using my middle finger as a side grip finger, instead of on top of the mouse, it leaves my pointer finger being the only "pointing" finger during aiming and something about that feels less cluttered in my brain and therefore more accurate. Weird, but it's working for me.
You ads with Z? That sounds utterly nuts, but if it works for you, it works
Informative video as always haus :)
I really like the new captions, however the part at 6:12 was a bit distracting, I think they'd be a lot better if they were synced with what you were saying like in the 2nd part of the video.
Your videos seem overall more cinematic without the captions, but being more inclusive towards people who may have trouble understanding the accent is always nice.
But as someone who tried getting used to fingertip as well, I've had very similar experiences to you.
Worse consistency in my aim overall and pain in my finger joints being the main complaints, even after multiple months.
I also think that most small, light fingertip mice seem to have more quality control issues while being more expensive than their claw-grip centric competitors.
Anyways, keep up the good work!
Thanks brother! Yeah, I reshot big parts of the video and forgot to sync the subs in that part of the video!
Honestly, I've found that "longer" mice always felt better for fingertip for me. The m2k was really cool and having something be that light weight whilst not compromising in build quality is something that you can never really find anywhere else, however, the gpx, vaxee xe, and even the lamzu atlantis (full size, I really want to buy the mini but can't find a proper reason to lol) felt much better for me.
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Fk2 was perfect for this reason. Long and thin
You could curl your thumb and outer fingers and have a more relaxed arc on clicker fingers. Made for a really balanced mouse feeling
Took a while to get used to, especially holding down mouse buttons and re-adjusting. However now that I am years deep, I can't imagine how I ever played claw.
i’m the same here
I'm a lifetime fingertip grip user (40+ years old) and I tried 50+ mice. :D Logitech egg shape (G203) if I want to use the mouse with hybrid fingertip/pincer claw and Steelseries Kinzu (maybe Kana) if I want to use pure fingertip grip.
I started on fingertip and I definitely can relate to injuring my hand when playing over an extended period of time. I find that in situations where I have to aim constantly (aim trainers and osu for example) I still can have issues.
In games like valorant and overwatch, I no longer have issues though, I learned to only tense my hands when actively tracking or flicking to someone.
You shouldn't tense your hand when tracking, it should be light
Holy cow, this video comes just at the perfect time! Looking forward to knowing your opinion on the subject ;)
That was so very well made. Good information condensed and communicated clearely.
CoolerMaster MM720 allows for a more hybrid grip, fingertip and claw whenever situation arises, found myself liking this mouse a lot I been pretty much hybrid between fingertip and claw since the early 2000s when almost all mices were made for palm.
I've tried some printed shells which are similar to the m2k in shape, and the first thing I noticed with a mouse that short was unless I braced my ring finger or pinkie against the right side of the mouse (removing most of the benefit of fingertip) I could not for the life of me get good rotational stability, with my aim being thrown off whenever I made a large adjustment with my wrist.
I really love the fingertip grip. At first, it's really weird and hard to control. For medium to fast fps games this is what I use. For slow pace fps like valorant and csgo, I prefer claw/palm. I tried fingertip on BR mode and I don't recommend, makes my hand very tired and exhausted. :p Fingertip + Small narrow mice = perfection! great review sir! :)
Thanks for the video. I was wondering about the fingertip grip for a while. I will wait for the next finalmouse
ive been using fingertip for several years. have tried all the HSK shapes, viper mini, and other mice but SL12 is best fingertip for me
I think something worth pointing out is that the HSK and M2K have a sensor which is super forward, whereas something like the S12 Small has more a balanced sensor placement (for fingertip). IMO that's why it feels so good, the others while you'd think are more optimal shapes, end up feeling jittery or slippery due to the sensor being so extremely forward. With fingertip the sensor tends to be more forward relatively to the wrist than other grips already.
Forward sensor placement is better for fingertip. Its relative to your thumb placement. Look at the Orochi V2. Sensor which is too far back feels sluggish.
Can't believe I used to fingertip a g502. Pretty much anything is an improvement from that
Therefore the G502 is not the problem since it was not made for fingertip
Bro this is my case. I didnt know i was a fingertip guy and used the g502. Do you have mouse recommendation for me to get? Under 100usd.
lmao!
@@kamrankambang7953 Most 'mini' mice with a more centered hump will work, safest option is a GPX which is your exact budget but there are also many similar shapes out there
This video explains what to look for overall
@@kamrankambang7953 if ur still looking or never bought one, pulsefire haste 2.
7k hours in rust, 4k hours in tarkov, 2.5k in r6, and 2k in dayz over the last 9 years and I have used the same corded razer mouse and mouse pad the entire time. You really really don’t need fancy stuff to be good at games, just get comfy with what you have until it breaks.
As someone with large hands who has been curious about using small mice, this video was intriguing for a somewhat different reason (I use a hybrid fingertip/claw grip).
2 questions:
1) Did you have any issues with using the side buttons on the smaller mice?
2) How much of the discomfort you experienced would you attribute to using a fingertip grip, and how much to using small mice?
1. Side buttons were unusable for me in-game with ftip in any situation that you have to do any aiming or any accurate mouse movements whatsoever.
2. Almost all of it is because of ftip!
i have been a fingertip user all my life and my go to mouse was a g403 for years! in the last year i swapped to xtrfy mz1. it is a very good fingertip mouse but i don't nearly have that sense of control that i had with G403! So even if i am a fingertip user i prefer ergonomic mice!
"Numb-thumb" is a thing for us "Fingerers" as the first phalangy of the thumb is all about "stability". Also getting your wrist down will help with your egos. My daily driver is the HSK and I agree that the smaller shell isnt the "breakthrough" people think - Im looking now into other mice to take its place. The keys imho are yes veery much light clicks that can acuate from any place on the mouse button in the same way i.e. the click needs to actuate the same way with the same presure at any point on the mouse button In my experiance this isnt the case on many mice. The length of the shell is another funnny thing; It need not be that short for example griping the HSK I have about 50mm of void before my wrist. So mouse length isnt a factor. the side walls of the shell however are a big deal. I want lots of realestate on the right mouse wall and honestly some "flare" that you can nestle your "pinky" finger in would be ideal. The way mouse slope down towards the front is less ideal for fingertip you want your thumb firmly on the left wall of the shell so it must sit in an area of full contact. this is why side buttons can be simply a PITA in this grip style. sa a result I find us "tipers" griping back further on the mouse then you would think (the tip of my thumb bisects the sensor). This is also why clicks from any point along the mouse button is felling the same is ideal as your clicking a bit further towards the rear of the button and the travel of the click can be quite different at this point. My go too's are Zys Rail, HSK Pro and the Viper mini the piper mini is probably the best of these for finger tip but I'm looking for others to enhance the experiance further. The Aria looks promising as does the Endgame gear OP1 8K but also som others like the Orbit.
I fingertip a Lamzu Atlantis mini and this is an absolute beast, no grip tape needed
Me too mouse is so good for ftip.
Im considering between the aria, x2 mini and atlantis mini for fingertip as i just learnt that i fingertip my g502 for years now. May i know your hand size?
@@kamrankambang7953 I am 19x10 and this was my first mini mouse and it works great for my hand size and ftip. Used bigger mice like the xm1r gpxs and larger ergo mice but the atlantis mini works the best. Not sure about claw I can do it but seem to revert to my preferred ftip even if claw can give aim stability for fps games. I just need to try get used to claw similar to the test haus did for a trial. But you can make mini mice work for my hand size.
@@kamrankambang7953 16x9 really small hands, only mouse with the pulsar x2 mini i can fingertip
@@jakf101 i have 20.5x9.5 hand and i really do t know what mouse should i buy. Im thinking of between aria or the lamzu mini or regular pulsar x2.
one thing u can do is use a relaxed claw grip that doesnt touch the palm and use your fingers to microadjust and tuck the mouse in when u need that extra control on like left to right flicks in val or csgo
This is something I tried, but found uncomfortable!
Wow awesome video.
I'm actually working on something kinda sort of similar where I compare the advantages of grip styles and talk about how to choose a mouse.
My finding were similar to yours and what you said in the video.
I fingertip gripped for almost a year and claw gripped for the vast majority of my time gaming.
Excellent vid haus as always
waiting for that video now haha
For me xtrfy mz1 wireless is great and it's for one specific reason - buttons. They have quite high profile and are very curvy. I feel my fingers are secure in one spot. Using few other mice I felt like my fingers are moving forward and ended up using claw grip because only then mouse was secure and stable in my hand. For now I don't think it will change, but I am waiting for rezer viper mini non signature edition to test.
Funnily enough I enjoy the MZ1 way more for an adjusted claw than fingertip grip! You can check my video for the mouse if you are interested in the way I grip it!
@@hausgaming I have seen the video. It was important for me while doing research before I bought the mouse. My hand is a little bit bigger than yours and that’s why for me it works better in fingertip than in claw.
This is a good quality video,keep it up
what artisan mouse pad is he using? 1:20 I couldn't understand what's coming out from his mouth
Hayate Otsu V2
I would have loved to see the Vaxee XE to be part of this fingertip experiment. Any thoughts on this mouse with this grip style ?
Too heavy for me! Ended up choosing the EC2-CW for the "heavy" mouse to mention in this video, but the results with XE Wireless were similar
I bought the HSK+ when it first released to completely convert to finger tip and I found it still couldn't compare to my small starlight 12. I ended up returning it and never looked back.
I have smaller hands so I think that the others that you dislike would be great for me, just ordered the g-wolves hsk pro core or whatever it is. Extremely excited for this mouse, like I said with my smaller hands there's a chance that I can even claw grip it lol. thanks for the review!
Thank you for watching! Sounds like HSK Pro could be good option for you!
If you like the glide of a Glasspad with the feel of a clothpad you might enjoy the Artisan Raiden. Good Video!
the lamzu energon is basically a raiden clone
no mz1 ?? :(
the way you applied the grip tape to that super light should be a criminal offense
Love high sens and fingertip grip, but pain got to me as well and I had to make the healthier choice and go med-high sens and an ergo mouse with an ergo grip
what was your favorite mousepad with the starlight 12 and did you change out the feet?
I've changed feet, but only due to me having to open the mouse and test it! I used the LGG Saturn Pro quite a bit with the SL12, and the Hystar Mirai which is shown in the video. Otsu felt extremely good as well!
I use 1-3-1 grip I have the same problem with finger tip mice being to narrow. I settled on egg shaped mice I have relatively big hands so I need at least the size of the Fantech Aria which is my main at the moment, but the Corsair Katar Elite also worked well for me, but the tilted sides caused me to get my pinky stuck under the mouse sometimes...
i use palm grip but just went further back with my hand to only get the fingertip grip without doing claw. Idk but i just feel better with that
I find myself really preferring egg shapes as a fingertipper. I'm surprised something like the Fantech Aria or Razer Orochi v2 didn't make it on here
Interesting. I felt the same thing when I use fingertip grip on GPX. It feels... much better, stable and improved my aim overall compared to when I use fingertip on something like Pulsar X2 Mini. Weird how RocketJumpNinja mentioned that a fingertip grip is best with smaller mouse but it doesn't improve my aim at all.
@@theycallmepotatomahow exactly does ftipping the x2 mini feel? I fingertip the xm1 and I have 20x10cm hands and it’s quite comfortable. I wonder how a shorter mouse would fair for me
@@dslander hard to explain. it is just ok. my main mouse is now Lamzu Atlantis Mini and its the endgame mouse for me.
1. Lamzu Mini
2. X2 Mini (yt edition preferably)
3. GPX (still not worth it)
very interesting points! did you try the mm712 shape for ftip? I have same handsize w/ relax claw and that's the only mouse I can fingertip without discomfort. the way the sides curve out towards the back gives a good resting point for my pinky
I don't have the MM712 yet, it's on the way though!
I feel like these companies don't understand fingertip grip. A genuine fingertip grip mouse will never have side buttons. When using a fingertip grip, if you attempt to push a side button with your thumb, then your ring finger is going to push your mouse wildly to the left, forcing you to regrip with your thumb. It seems as though a lot of people who think they're using a fingertip grip, are actually using a claw grip, where their palm is a point of contact. This is what allows you to use your thumb.
It's all about preferences. I own starlight 12 small tenz, pro x Superlight, hsk pro 4k and viper mini signature. Hsk pro 4k for fingertip is superior for me and my aim is much better thant the Starlight. g pro x Superlight it's the safest shape. Currently my main is the viper mini signature (testing the 8k polling)
i'm currently trying this on the Delux M800Pro 3395 and the Razer Viper MIni. for me though, the delux feels better
as a long time fingertip user(as long as i’ve been using a mouse) i main the hskpro
I fingertip grip basically all mice that i own. But i must say the the most comfortable mouse is the xlite mini v2. even before the final mouse tenz. But today i order the hsk pro 4k to try it out :)
Your hand/fingers gets stronger, and you won't feel any more pain after 2-3 months, but yeah, it sucks and really make you doubt if it's healthy, etc.
I have doubts about that! I've struggled with wrist and even finger issues in the past due to sports & gaming. There is certain pain/discomfort that you experience due to not being adjusted to something, and then there is pain/discomfort when you are using something that is clearly not good for you! Had I done this when I was 10 years younger without my past wrist/finger related sports injuries, I most likely would not have these pains. But I can't confirm that sadly!
@hausgaming the lamzu mini charcoal works great on ftip has better coating for it than the white. Shame you had issues with finger pain from it. I had it once when trying out the viper ultimate because it made me grip harder with fingers but haven’t experienced it years later testing other mice.
I dislike the charcoal coating myself :(
I've also found DAV3 Pro is surprisingly quite good for fingertip and have been maining it for some time. I have a HSK Pro 4k delivering today though so we will compare :)
i main the dav3 also haha, my hands are weird, somehow every size works
@@tinychamberzI’ve been learning it’s more about how you move your arm / hands
I'm using the dav3 too and I often fingertip it. When aim training i fingertip 100% of the time because it gives me the most precision. ingame when moving around or doing large flicks i tend to automatically lower my palm so it has contact with the mouse which turns my grip into a claw grip. But whenever i rest my hand or need the precision from fingertip i automatically lift my palm up again.
I never tried a finger tip mouse but normal ambi mice were uncompfortable to fingertip for me so i stick to ergos. I never got why so many people that ergos are bad for fingertip
@@Katze822228 i think its mostly people that dont really use fingertip, they just say what someome said once. ergoes are so nice for fingertip, i love the skoll mini for example
@@tinychamberz Yeah I've noticed a lot people assume they have ftip grip but it might really just be palm or relax claw.
HTX 4K ?! Why wasn’t this added
Which of mice that you've tried have the lightest clicks?
I've been using the zaunkoenig m2k for about a year now, but its light weight combined with my prefered pads (raiden/skypad) and sens(20-26cm) is not optimal for comp apex. Main thing i like about the m2k is the light clicks.
My SL-12 TenZ Pro small has extremely light clicks, but there is huge variance between units on FM mice. Otherwise Xtrfy mice usually end up having very light clicks, but the M8 is somewhat an exception. Some GPX units I have have extremely light clicks as well, for example the black one! My red GPX has fairly stiff clicks.
@@hausgaming ok, will look into those. Are any of those clicks you mentioned lighter than the m2k? Modding switches might be an op options aswell I guess
Fantastic video! 🔥 Realt enjoyed the detailed breakdown! I gravitated towards fingertip naturally. My odd experience was that I increased my sensitivity but have been really enjoying it. HSK Pro 4K, XTRFT MZ1 and Finalmouse Tenz were my favourites on glass pads
Nice to see you here Volta! Still waiting on my HSK pro haha.
@@JoshKnox898 Ay yo, no way! Hope it comes in sooner rather than later
Thank you bro! Glad you liked the vid. Plan was to test different sensitivies in the second month of use, but sadly the pain kinda screwed me over on that, and I had to stop the experiment!
@@hausgaming Unfortunate about the pain aspect but good that you still have it a go! Excellent editing throughout as well 🔥
i have always been a fingertip gripper and my current mouse is the gprox and i think that to really get used to a grip needs alot of time as u said ur pains could be because u arent used to it. Im planning to try claw grip and see how it goes
This is true, however what I mentioned in the video is that the pains started fairly early in the experiment and continued for more than a week and got worse during that time. It's usually a clear sign that you should stop. I've had wrist pain previously which is only due to me not being adjusted to a shape, that pain/discomfort usually is there for a day/two/week and it's only in specific moments, not all the time and does not get worse!
@@hausgaming could it be you use too much strength to grip the finger tip as when i do it i barely put any force ?
With your accent I have no idea what the mouse names were. It would be a good idea to throw their names (in order of appearance) in the description.
Do you have any big skates recommendations for the HSK PRO 4k?
while were on the topic of the m2k, did u run any tests on the mouse? ive heard wonderful things about its performance
Nope, TechPowerUp has done all needed tests for it. It's pretty much the same exact performance as DAV3 8K, you can check my DAV3 review for the results!
Curious what thickness of the side grips you used on your small finalmouse?
The thinnest ones!
I kinda wanna get a smaller mouse bc I use a gpx super light and my pointer finger and ring finger are at the back of the left and right click so I kinda aim with those fingers ig you could say and I'd need a mouse with the side buttons a bit further back bc my thumbs pretty far back
Interesting video, I really like fingertip grip for microadjustments in CS. Did you notice any impacts that mouse sensitivity had, did you have to change it at all and did certain ones feel better?
My sens is somewhere between 45-53 cm/360 (2-2.4 @ 400 dpi) and I notice some sensitivities on the higher end feel better for microadjusting with fingertip. Razer Viper Mini on cloth pad
I didn't adjust my sensitivity at all, experimenting with it would've happened, but I had to stop the experiment due to the pain I experienced in my finger joints!
@@hausgaming Gotcha thank you! and it sounds like for CSGO you usually play relatively high sens (0.84@1600?). I'm trying around .475 and fingertip micro-adjustments seem really good if your crosshair placement is good. I imagine for higher sens it would get fatiguing
Can you recommend a fingertip mouse in the 50€ budget, the smaller size the better thanks
I don't know if you are still looking but I recently got the Keychron M4 and I am really enjoying it!
I got it on sale so I don't know what it currently costs but they have a 4k and 1k Polling version and you can save a little bit by going with the 1k version
@@DieserMany thanks it looks nice tbh
no MZ1 ?
I dislike it for ftip compared to these mice, but actually like it quite a bit for adjusted claw!
Would the hyper x pulsefire haste 2 also be good for finger tip grip?
mz1 wireless not good for you?
The shape of the mouse is super important, is if your grip on the shape is not constant then the sensor rotation is changing all the time. So if you do one hr of practice with a specific rotation, and in game if the rotation changes (the grip changes ) then the 1hr of training is good as shit. A consistent grip/shape is the most important aspect. There is a video by kovaaks on mouse sensor rotation if anyone want to have a look at. super important for fps :)
Thank you for complaining about heavy clicks. I feel like omrons were never bad, but just the superlights implementation was. I feel like all the switches nowadays like kailhs and optical are so sharp, and not friendly to someone like me who is prone to carpal tunnel. I haven't tried huanos but I hear they are even stiffer, but then I also hear the vaxee xe wireless' are super light.
It's not mainly about the switches but the shell of the mouse, how thick is the plastic where the buttons bend is more important.
I use fingertip on skypad 400dpi 3.8 sens i dont claw my fingers that much just grab mouse lightly and let fingers drop naturally on mouse and yer good to go
What mousepad is that?
I main xtrfy mz1 wireless with the low back shell for finger tip grip
No xtrfy M8? would have thought you would have liked it finger tip.
Hystar Mirai!
What the name of the mousepad shown on 0.50? It looks sick 👍🏻
Hystar Mirai!
@@hausgaming Thank you good sir 👍🏻🙏🏻
Hello Haus! What's this mousepad with the Asian language and various graphics that you use later in the video?
I would like to know as well. I absolutely love the design.
It's the Hystar Mirai!
@@hausgaming Thank you ❤
can someone write the models names? i don't understand it, it's the only thing that doesn't have any subtitles :c
hablo español uwu
Nope,
Hope it helps,
Regards.
Bro I tried so many mice and I always go back to the G Pro 🤣 this thing is undefeated it’s crazy.. I do prefer the Starlight shape tho but FM qc is bad
its one of the hardest grips to master but once you get comfortable with the grip style and find a mouse that works well with it you can become an excellent gamer.
Excellent Aimer is what you meant, gamer ? Nah
I put them gold switches in both my x2’s
I don't even play FPS, ATP I just really love mouse
Jeah kinda found the same
More precision overall
But way less precision when needing to flick as fast as possible
Theres a reason why close to no professional players in tac fps play fingertip
If the community listened only to “pro aimers” that play kovaaks everyday we would be royally fcked. There’s been so many shills for fingertip grip mice on UA-cam they’lol probably hate on Haus for saying why he won’t be using ftip anymore.
It's all personal preference, but professional gamers have to deal with different desks, chairs and they have to perform under enormous pressure. Having more control and comfort can prove to be key in these situations, as it has done for me in high tier LAN and online tournaments back in the day!
MM720 wireless, we all can hope.
aria xd7 is my fave fingertip mouse
What is you hand size if i may ask. I have 20.5x10.5 and idk if i would like the aria.
@@kamrankambang7953 idk how im just seeing this now lol, but i have 18x9 cm hands. I'd say if you're fine with a g305 shape, you'd also be fine with the Aria XD7
What mouse pad is that!? :O
Hystar Mirai, I like it quite a bit!
@@hausgaming Instant cop! I dropped your name in there :> Hopefully they give you some kickback.
fingertip is slightly less accurate but its better (faster) for small adjustments when you are aiming
fingerdip grib
I feel like it isnt comfortable for prolonged gaming sessions and that matters more for me for than little increase of accuracy.
are u from suomi
perkele
can someone tell me what game is that 4:05
New quake if you're still wondering
somehow you remind me of "Mr Beard" xD
Why didn't you just fix the grip with some griptape tho?
That is not fingertip grip, it's just claw grip
haus haus haus
nice vid
grip tape is so ass and annoying to hold idk how people can use it
Fingertip Grip = strong RSI 😒
Does fingertip grip have the highest chance of rsi?? Why so?
@@dslander You're welcome to test it, but be careful. Carpal tunnel syndrome and RSI are more common from fingertip grip
@@ZINDRO_KBM oh damn. I’ve started doing a pincer grip recently and it has felt more comfortable
first 😎
''i used ftip for a month'' *proceeds to use finalmouse with claw for a month*
what mousepad is this? 0:
Hystar Mirai!
@@hausgaming thanks man! gonna see how it compares to hayate otsu and drop x1 lol