BMW S1000XR - differences between gen 1 and gen 2
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
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If you're interested in BMW S 1000 XR and consider both generations, then this video is very much for you. 2015 BMW S 1000 XR was a beast when it was first shown and launched and then in 2020 BMW introduced the new, second generation which is quite different in certain areas. Those areas may really make a difference in everyday riding so stay tuned and enjoy!
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I have 20k on my Gen 1 and still love it! Absolutely no mechanical problems. I tried Gen 2 and didn't like the power mapping. Slow off the line. Had to get to 7000 rps and then it just flew. Likely an emissions and you could flash it out, but I don't want to spend the $ to upgrade. Great video! Really liked the detailed comparisons.
I'm glad you're happy with your XR and that it serves you well. They seem to be quite trustworthy in general.
Totally agree, I sold my Gen1 and got Gen 2 - I don’t like it for the reasons you have stated it feels like a snail, power delivery is like a two stroke…nothing then everything. I also hate the self cancelling indicators, and the seat isn’t as comfortable although it looks identical and the vibes through the seat below 4K revs is awful (although my girlfriend likes it!) I’d have my old one back in an instant.
Which feels more brutal and aggressive?
Yea BMW trashes the XR throttle response on the XR for some reason. After the Bren tune on my 18 it was a new bike. Will be the first thing I do after an exhaust since they killed the sound…
I love my 2021 XR but the seat is terrible and don’t understand why BMW thinks this is what owners want in a seat. Great video!
Thanks and I'm glad that you've overall happy with the XR. Funny story about those seats, really. Thankfully that's still an easy modification. Cheers!
Great video and explanations of the differences. Had a gen 1 which I've not long sold and the gen 2 is on order. The comfortable side won the change for me as my wife is a constant passenger.
I believe that for those who prefer it more comfy, the second gen. may be worth extra money right from the beginning.
I don't agree that either generation does not change direction well. I've got a Gen 1 and ridden a Gen 2 and I personally think it's a bloody marvel how quickly you can tip it from one side to other.
It's a matter of perception. Try BMW R 1250 GS for example - this would be a good benchmark and one of the best in terms of that. If not the best.
Lovely video! I bought a 1st gen 2 years ago and im riding roughly 15k per year. The more you drive this bike the more i felt in love with it!
The Dynamic pro is a must on the bike for maximum fun!
I'm glad that you're enjoying the 1st gen. It's a lot of riding so making a good choice clearly matters. Cheers!
Like always, an excellent comparison exercise!
I tend to agree with your opinion relating to most of the conclusions that you took concerning this comparison and I just would like to add or underline, that the second generation is an effort of evolvement of the model which is notorious by the big improvements that the bike suffered from gen 1 to gen 2. In summary the second iteration of the model gives place to a overall better bike. I didn’t heard you say it expressly, but that is what I think. I also would like to refer that the pack M on this bike includes a chain shaft that doesn’t need ordinary maintenance and in that field it comes near to the concept of drive shaft system that you (and a bunch of us, myself included) really appreciate for a matter of practicality.
And last point, if the bike on second generation is quieter, fantastic. Because, first of all, the high engine sound, only makes my day on the racetrack not on public roads. On public roads I want to slide stealth through traffic, always trying to avoid extra attention from other users of the road. I am the guy in the fast bike, so I manage to control the situation with little communication effort because I know how to get their attention when I need them to see me without the need to be loud - maybe that’s because I started riding bikes on public roads when I was fourteen years old and now I’m quickly achieving 60 and never stopped riding almost everyday -, but don’t get me wrong, I love the sound of a four in line powerful bike engine. The thing is, that I care for the other road users well-being as I still believe they do the same about mine. And if there are some that aren’t complying to this principle, I don’t give them an hard time, because I understand that they don’t know better anyway and once more, my statement:- I m the guy in the fast bike. So, I’m fully aware of the risks I’m taking every day and that fact is not other’s fault.
It’s my passion and my choice, so I take most of the responsibility for all the hazardous situations I get my self in, even if I’m completely out of any guilt, I am the one who chooses to ride a bike, so, if I feel too afraid or if I feel that I don’t have enough skills to return home safe and sound, I should rethink my priorities. And of course, I value my life and health as anyone else.
Thanks once more ✌️✌️
I still haven't figured out how you managed to cross out a text. No idea how to do that but an interesting one. I feel that the 2nd generation happens to be overall "softer" and more friendly. I appreciate that. As for the crosses-out part, I know I can control very little while when riding a car and looking all around, if a bike doesn't have a light shining in my mirror or I don't hear it, it's much more difficult. Hi-beam in a traffic jam on a bike can really save one's butt. If not, then lots of aux lights. I love the saying "loud pipes save lives". I just don't like them too loud when they're 3 or 4 cylinders ;)
@@VToldsMotoShow Dear friend, thank you for the kind response.
The crossed text is a phenomenon exclusively created by UA-cam, so I can’t explain how it was originated 😂 it seemed like some type of censorship tool, but looking at what was written I can’t identify nothing that could be out of order in the text. So, I think “the machine” does it’s own mistakes, which is a fact, or an idea that I trend to simpatize with.
Concerning the BMW S1000 XR, I m getting more and more familiarized with the bike as time passes bye what is normal and comparisons with other bikes of the same scope are inevitable. Of course, for me the comparison will be made with the SDGT. And after the first 1000kms, the heart is a little bit more unrestrained, the breaks and tyres are becoming top grippy and it is time to sediment experiences. The XR is a more well behaved machine by nature, I think. Everything is there, but you have to ask for it. On the SDGT happens the opposite, since the moment you start the engine she wants you to be the hooligan biker. The four cilindres in the BMW gives you a nervous character note when you start the bike, but it shows from the beginning that it is a generous and obedient machine and only turns into a mad cow at 8000 rpm’s and beyond that, till the end, so, you’ve got to ask for it. The SDGT is talking to you all the time: - where are we going ? To the race track?!…for the race track!!?? And the talk is about this, all the ride, and every time you take it out for a ride. Like a child, always asking the same questions, with a fixed idea on something they like or that they enjoy doing with you. It makes you feel like a father, or an older brother or even un uncle, that are responsible for their sake.
The BMW is different. It is like an adult classy person that you take out on a date. You can take her to the race track, she loves going there, but if you don’t she will not mention it again during the ride. In fact she preferes the long fast rodes, and if you choose that plan she will give you tons of riding pleasure. The street mode of the KTM is the road mode in the MBW, the sport, or race mode in the SDGT, is the dynamic or dynamic pro mode on the BMW S1000XR…very different intensity of words and respective concepts. Although they are both sport touring bikes 👌
Good summary of feature changes between the generations. I took notes. It would be nice to slap that into a table where you could compare side by side... that might put you in the great category but jokes aside, I appreciate the info.
Thanks I currently have a 2017 s1000r it’s totally looney tunes but really unpractical so I’m gonna get a XR. I’ll probably get a gen 1 as cheaper.
Good stuff man!... well you nailed it !!..simply said 2nd Gen is far better than 1st Gen ...of course, I have had both, and will never look back, and I MEAN, I ride A LOT... average 20 000 km/year...simply said, the 2nd gen XR is here as a 2ND GEN FOR A REASON....better !... just my 5 cents worth of useless opinion 😎 thanks for your channel and somewhat intersting opinions and analysis!✌take care, greetings from Stilbaai , South Africa.👋
That looks like a good summary!
s1000 xr gen 1 for my eyes only
I've got a friend who keeps his Ducati in his apartment's living room. Sounds like a cool idea if you've got space.
I love how you make videos of many topics. Well done ✔️
Thanks!
I actually just bought my second 1st gen because it has only a couple thousand miles compared to the 27k on my old 1st gen. I love the aggression of the 1st gen!
Yup, I believe that they're different enough that they really may fit different preferences and types of riders. 1st gen is more rough and raw and the 2nd gen is softened.
Fajna porównanie, dzięki za ten film!! Sam zastanawiam się nad wyborem, gen1 jest obecnie bardziej przyjazna finansowo, gdzie druga generacja to dla mnie wydatek co prawda nadal możliwy, ale jednak ponad racjonalne wytłumaczenie. Gen2 po prostu wizualnie bardziej mi się podoba, choć i ta pierwsza do brzydkich nie należy. Ten dźwięk gen1 coś fajnego! Znowu dostęp bezkluczykowy to IMHO game changer, bo ciągle kiedy się gdzieś zatrzymam to zaczyna się później szukanie kluczyka po wszystkich kieszeniach ;) Słonko przygrzewa, obecne moto nie cieszy jak kiedyś, a w głowie rozkminy. Pozdrawiam!
Interesting video as always! I am very interested in the differences between the 2 generations. I know the theoretical differences but I fear that if the riding pleasure is diminished with the second generation, due to emissions controls. As you mention the exhaust noise is not as good, this on its own as an influence on pleasure perception. Ideally a gen 2, with gen 1 engine and exhaust!
To me the 2nd generation was overall more enjoyable to ride. I wish it had the proper sound but you simply get and aftermarket exhaust and this issue is solved. I can't say that there's much of a difference in terms of power delivery while the 2nd gen is supposed to have those few horsepower more in there. Cheers!
Thanks for the detailed comparsison! I might be switching to this model (a nice used one) so really interesting for me indeed 😊
I'm glad to help. If I were to buy a bike today, I'd definitely go for something used. No question about it. Save 50% for trips, fun stuff and accessories. With today's prices, it's better to keep the cash rather than pay double for the same when it comes to vehicles.
Have a 2018 XR and looking at a 23. The LED headlights are a huge + for me, the gauges are a - for me. I had to do a Bren tune on the 18. I expect to do the same on the 23. I dislike that BMW does the 80% gimp on the throttle. The 24 MXR might be worth waiting for. The price tag not so much…
Oh yes, there are more and more mentions about the M and I'm very curious myself. Price tag? Worst case scenario - gotta wait a few years and get a used one.
Dzieki . Dla mnie wielka pomoc. First gen 1. work for me Beter.
Great video, thank you, I have a 2016 Gen1 and love everything about it except the engine noise/vibe between 5k-6k RPM. I test drove a Gen2 recently and it is certainly much quieter (almost too quiet? 🤔) but does have low RPM lag as others mentioned and I don't like the seat. Still I think the pros outweigh the cons so looking forward to upgrading, now I just need to find one!
Good luck finding the right 2nd gen. To me personally it would be worth the upgrade due to enhanced comfort. Would replace the muffler though, because I agree that it's too quiet and 'soft' in terms of sound.
The vertical led you mentioned is not useless or pointless - but I agree the new one is a way better.
Technically it serves the purpose of being a positioning light. But to me there needs to be as big and as strong of a light stream as possible for drivers' eyes to catch it. Cheers!
@@VToldsMotoShow It does the job to me, but all good.
Hey, I am planning to get one this week… 2016 are selling for $11k and 2020 is for $15k…. I had s1kRR for last 4 years… is it worth paying extra 4 grand for newer model ?
In my personal opinion it may be worth paying $4k for a newer generation. I myself would pay that extra without hesitating in this particular case. But I enjoy the new suspension while you not necessarily will coming off of an S1000RR. So I suggest that you try both and if you like it harder, then it may not make sense for you to choose the 2nd and softer gen, but rather the 1st, more raw and harsh one - some really prefer the way it feels. I hope this feels. I like it comfy and that's why the 2nd gen would be better for me.
Like your work, only thing that is missing in your comprassion is track use. No fence but 70% of your compression is all ready in owner manual, so can you give us something we do not know.
Thanks and in other video I'm giving my riding impressions. Mostly in "honest reviews" of all these bikes. Hope this helps.
Pershendetje V Told Faleminderit shume per videot tuaja .Dua te blej nje bmw xr 1000 .A ja vlen te marrësh modelin e 2015 2016 qe eshte me i vjetër ?Cfare ndryshimesh ka nga nje model 2020?Jame ne dileme Ktm 1290 s apo bmw xr te lutem me jep opinionin tende. Respekte. 🙏
The previous S 1000 XR has significantly harder suspension in my opinion. The newer generation feels much more comfortable.
@@VToldsMotoShow thanks bro
Ktm1290s 2020 model aventure or bmw xr 1000 2020?
Please do a review and worst/ best on the new Ktm 1290 adventure R.
I would like to take a look at KTMs this year.
V Told happy anniversary 🥰
Thank you, thank you
Zgadzam się z Tobą , że umieszczenie XRki w grupie Adventure przez BMW to pomyłka. Zawsze zastanawiało mnie to, dlaczego R1250RS zaliczany jest wg producenta do spotów, a XR nie, skoro ma tego " sportu" we krwi o wiele więcej niż RS. Ale to BMW ... oni idą swoja ścieżką tylko im znaną :) Ja wyczekuję M1000XR :D
Oby było na co czekać - pierwsze zajawki mamy i też jestem ciekaw :)
Great video bro👍😀
one idea to compare series K with series S and series boxer the engine, it is interesting right!!!???
Thanks! About the types of engines, then there isn't really a bike that would suit the comparison well, especially with the S type. Maybe S1000R, K1300R (not available anymore) and R1250R but I'm not sure we could really match them against each other closely ;)
from the side the new model has built in luggage brackets
Great vid… love your channel.. but I think it’s time you move on to other models of bike to review on.. 😊👍
Thanks and that's exactly my plan for 2022 once the weather improves. It suddenly started snowing again where I live, so that's a bit of an obstacle. Thanks for feedback, I appreciate it!
Why dont you do a review of R1250R?
I've ridden a previous generation some time ago, R1200R but it's not really my type of a motorcycle, so I wouldn't be able to properly understand it. It wouldn't be as exciting of a review for me I think. Even though as a BMW with a boxer engine - it's a truly "appropriate" bike with no really weak points as a machine.
I call XR Adventurous Sports-Tourer 😆
Sounds good too ;)
Come on, we all know that this bike is an sport touring bike. That the category, go and search it up my friend.
According to BMW, from the end of 2023 it's in a Sport segment.
Are there really people who cannot differentiate these two bikes and go buy Gen-1 instead of Gen-2 or vice versa 🤔. Serious question 😅
It would seem so, which is even more than "just" surprising.
Any reliability issues with the new XR?
I've got no idea but haven't heard any specific complaints so far.
Pewnie to nie ma sensu, ale i tak zapytam. W swoich filmikach gdzie jeździłeś na V‐Strom 1000 miałeś taka fajną czarno‐czerwono‐ białą kurtkę, spodnie moro i kask Arai. Nie pamiętam jakie to były modele? Strasznie mi się to podoba i chciałem kupić sobie coś takiego.
Kurtka to Jerez od M-Tech: www.njuskalo.hr/image-w920x690/moto-jakne/m-tech-jerez-jakna-vel-48-slika-130420140.jpg, portki to Mil-Tec, choć nie wiem dokładnie jaki model, mimo że szukam identycznych ale nowych. Model Araia pewnie bez znaczenia, bo większość wygląda podobnie. Wygodny, lekki i cichy, ale szyby w życiu się nie wymieni bez łamania zatrzasków. Teraz brałbym pewnie jakiegoś Schubertha.
@@VToldsMotoShow Super. Dzięki za odpowiedź.
Czym jeździsz prywatnie?
To musi być tajemnica, ale wcześniej Suzuki V-Stromem 1000.
What are your opinions on the honda cbr500r?
I wish I could advise but cannot really tell much as I haven't ridden one. I'm not really a fan of Honda products as they lack excitement in my eyes.
@@VToldsMotoShow If you have a chance to try it, can you make a video? I'm really thinking of buying a honda cbr 500r and I'm curious about your opinions.
I could be my review would not be representing a potential buyer's point of view. I'm much more into adventure motorcycles and larger capacity naked bikes so my view would be spoilt by my personal preference. I believe that there might be some owner's reviews here to check. As long as they're not "mine is the best because it's mine" types of guys, it should give you at least some perspective. I hope this helps.
I didn’t know how you still saying that this motorcycle doesn’t have enough personality. Enough power, luxury, brilliant performance and looks great at city.. please !! It’s a great idea to put this engine in this new type of motorcycle. The GS is not fun ! At all!
Wait, did I say that? Seriously I don't remember. Maybe I meant that the sound is not as cool anymore? I think that both XR generations have their very own style - especially that they don't really have any real competition on the market. Maybe just a KTM 1290 Super Duke GT which has a V2 engine, so it may turn out to present a very different character. Cheers!
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From any angle only a blind person can not distinguish two generations wdf 😅
Who knows, maybe that was the case ;)
it is the best sports tourer out there , no matter how hard you try you cannot get a tank slapper its unbelivable that you could ride that slow on an XR and give any kind of reliable review , look at XR track days they embarace true sports bikes I think its probably down to your riding capabilities and balls that you dnm`t realize how frigging amazing the XR is , bu you will have to rev it over 8000 you wuss
One has digital dash other is analog
It's partly analog in the first gen in fact, isn't it?
If you can't tell them apart, you shouldn't get any of them.
Or just get the cheaper. But that was a good one indeed.
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The first generation is a Holygun, I love the sound of the exhaust, yes they both have 165 horsepower but the shiftcam really makes the difference
What shift cam
@@lukaszg74 Via an axial shift of the switching-cam segment, the intake valves are actuated by either the torque or the power cam in just 10 ms, depending on load and rotational speed. The axial displacement of the switching-cam segment and thus the use of torque or power cam is effected via 2 shift gates on the switching-cam segment and 2 electromechanical actuators. The different design of the cam geometry is used to vary the valve timing and the valve lift.
While the full load cam provides the maximum valve lift, a reduced valve lift is available via the torque cam.