Going by this video comparison in gameplay mode only: *Forza Motorsport* Better chase cam. Greater sense of speed in chase cam. More trackside crowds. More trackside objects. More atmosphere. More detailed trees, *Gran Turismo 7* Better exterior car modelling. Better interior car modelling. Better in-car camera. More accurate car sounds. Better driver animations. More detailed grass. Better tarmac textures. Motorsports Marshals. Thanks for reading.
@@M-hq9xz Different times of day show different luminance in the cockpit. How exactly can that be "robotic", it makes no sense? Plus the view can be customized to a players liking. And if you add VR to the mix, spatial awareness and the ability to judge corners takes it to a level Forza players can only dream of.
@@M-hq9xz robotic? The steering animations alone are a full tier above Forza’s, whose arms look like they’re stiff arming the wheel with broken wrists. Forza’s camera’s always too high, has steering animations that are robotic and can’t turn past 180°, has wonky shifting, no sense of lateral/longitudinal/vertical movement, and has interior lighting that disregards having a literal car enveloping it, making it too bright when there should be shadows. Even the emblem on the steering wheel doesn’t react to lighting and shadows. Easy place to start vs GT’s example.
WOW I can't believe how good forza looks now they almost look like the same game at times it only took Turn 10 nearly a year but here we are. Forza tracks were always good from the start anyway it was everything else that was a shambles.
Seemingly Forza has come a long way since launch because I remember it not looking anywhere near as good as GT7 at launch, but now it's so close Actually may be even better in this comparison.
@@Mr.Kumar1 lol nope, forza has to take the L , in a competitive race all the camera shaking and post effects make difficult to hit brake points and avoid contact with other players that is why forza has no competitive online and most races turn into a wreck in the first corner
@@jesusserrano8769 very correct forza is 70% sim, gran turismo is about 85%. However forza takes the W as it looks immersive, good environments ect, well it wins for an arcade game definitely, while gt7 is just a bit boring and stale, environments are just static photo pics. The chase cam looks odd, and car just moves wrong
Both look great, the details i noticed is that forza has a lot of props around the track that are not there in real life, meanwhile Gran Turismo sticks to what the track is in real life
@@nihilityjoey trees misplaced or not even the same time as the ones irl, cars, boxes, tents who are not there irl, do you need more detail? Look for side to side comparsions between real life and these games, i can provide you a link if you want
@@jesusserrano8769 I always see this bad argument to defend GT7s horrible environmental detail. Just look at those flat 2d 'tree walls' It's 1000 times better to have a few more (fully detailed) trees than real life, than having a whole circuit that looks worse than Iracing 10 years ago
@jesusserrano8769 it's the most feeble excuse, that Xbox puts in more detail. It really is. Gt7 has a few cars, and a few tracks that are better. That's it. And by better I mean the surfaces and some of the track details. That's it. Everything else goes to Forza ESPECIALLY the driving, you know the main thing about a driving game. I always see this "Forza players bringing up trees, as if trees are what I want in a driving game", and then bring up the grass in gt. Forza has well better driving physics. Gt7 fans really have to grasp straws. The game is good. But as a driving game Forza is just better, and in the way that counts.
@@nihilityjoey if you play on a controller maybe, but playing with a FFB steering wheel you can see how the physics are far better in forza, that is why you see more clean online races in GT7 rather than forza, in GT7 you can be in a 3 Wide or 2 Wide even trough a corner without crashing each other just by beign carefull, meanwhile forza cars bounce around like ping pong balls, not all the cars in forza have the new physics only some feel good, the rest feel horrible, adding the low poly models and unfinished graphics, GT7 is by far a better game i dont know in what blind world you live in kiddo, i remember back in the 360 era forza was huge and better than Gran Turismo that was behind forza , but now forza is far beyond gran turismo in almost every aspect excepto content, forza went to Quantity over Quality, same mistake commited by Gran Turismo 5 and 6 , now they commited with Forza 7 and the new Forza
GT looks good but the way the car moves on the screen to me looks and feels all wrong, yet in cockpit it’s great, Forza for me has always played and moved better on screen, track graphics are good but generally the car models are just passable at best, more work will happen I’m sure but it may be too late, Microsoft should get more people in to sort this to get people playing, there’s also a lot to like in Forza 🤠
Since this video got recommended I went and checked in the Steam page to see if they finally fixed this game, Recent Reviews: Mostly Negative All Reviews: Mixed One review says: "if you want to know what its like to finally let the road rage take over this is the game for you. its practically an idiotic driver simulator." They killed FM back to Horizon it is
This is the oldest modeled track in GT7 (was the track used to annunce GT Sport) and the newest in FM add with the last update... funny how you purposely select this ignoring all the others... LOL GT haters are really desperate
@@M-hq9xzBut Turn 10 stated as fact Forza Motorsport 2023 is "built from the ground up"! Which indicates this is a newly modelled Brands Hatch in game. So Turn 10 are either lazy or bald face liars? Which negative tag would you apply to them then?
@@cookedit Built from the ground up means they are having a completely new engine, but not that all car and track models are new to Forza. With Brands Hatch they used the old model, but applied the new engine on it and changes a few things here and there like with other tracks too. Kyalami for example is a completely new track
@@racingvistawhy the long gap in your answer? what do mean the closest, put both of the highest, or in xbox sx putting settings to high, surpasses ps5?
@@gonzalo_blackmamba Putting Forza on performance RT doesn't do much for it's visuals. On a contrary it significantly lowers the resolution making overall picture quality worse.
@@racingvista no sh.. t??,... do fps lower too? thanks for this info, never knew this but why does this happen?? , is the game? or the xbox is less powerful in this particular game? Thanks again!
As a fm player, gt looks better, forza still takes the cake in terms of driving, map details and sound, but the gran turismo lighting is making me jealous fr
as a GT player, I say enjoy what you enjoy. Both are good in their own right. I'd say FM adds more fanfare to the experience, while GT offers more realism. Neither of which is better or worse imo.
Ambos se ven bien, pero ambos tienen un punto fuerte que otro no, por ejemplo en gran turismo se ve muy bien el reflejo de luz del sol en los vehiculos y forza no lo tiene, pero en forza los arboles son bien detallados, no son cartones como en gran turismo
You should relay to everyone that GT7 crowds only fill up for actual races, the little touches like track days when you're the only one there is part of the game. When you have actual races, the stands are filled. Forza uses a one size fits all approach, so no matter what the stands are filled, no big deal. PD likes to add little things here and there, like the marshalls and during rainy weather those walking about will have on ponchos. Track side detail isn't a one and done thing in GT. If you played GT7 enough, you might have noticed the little details. Now, if they'd just fix those non moving trees, tired of branches that don't move in the wind, it's weird to see that in this generation of games still.
@M-hq9xz is that so, so why in this very video you can see the stands practically filled and there is only one car on track? Don't just say things, the video itself is proof.
Wym? The Track un GT7 is as it is IRL, forza just has a lot of props that aren't there in real life, they did the same in other tracks, it looks "cool" but its not realistic
@@markuschief4472 which ones? They are same as in forza the diference in forza they use the same trees for every track, its like the just made 4 to 5 models and just place them randomly , you can watch videos side to side ans the tree lines in GT7 correspond to the ones in real life, unlike forza
@@jesusserrano8769 You haven't paid attention. Forza has all the accurate trees that are recognisable in real life. By saying those GT7 carton tree lines are "accurate" you're defending mediocrity that has been obsolete for years.
Did you watch this vid on your phone? Because I watched it in 4k on my 55" qd oled. And while forza has more stuff around the track, gt is far more detailed. The tarmac on forza and the overall look is blurry. Gt wins by a country mile
@@nihilityjoeyYou're again biased with your comments on all these videos, that I bet that if someone swapped the footage around and said GT was Forza and vice versa, you would still say what you thought was Forza was better even if it turned out to be GT. There's *zero* areas the cars are better in Forza. GT7's car dimensions, paint colour, materials, textures, shine, headlight details, badges, visible engines, brake discs, exhausts, fuel flaps, panel gaps, interior details, working gauges and even the driver animations are better. There are lots of videos that show GT7's car models not just better than Forza's, but every other game. And I'll admit GT7 has its issues, but their car models definitely not one of them. Yet you refuse to admit Forza has any flaws. That's plain fanboyism There is tonnes of evidence showing GT7's cars are better and I can bring them up no problem if you ask. I guarantee you can't show me even 1 where Forza's are better.
@cookedit I guess you will pretty much make nothing by asking FM fans to not be biased. I see Forza fans complaining about FM2023 but there are also others that are biased to the bone for it. Thing is that they don't care or don't realize how the game is literally unfinished, with outdated netcodes, countless bugs and 95% recycled content (not to mention the two gens older car models) and they get slapped with the 'built from the ground up' slogan which they do believe and defend diehard the game no matter how bad is as long as it has the Forza name. I as a GT fan love GT7 but I have a list of complaints and of course there will be things that GT will do better than Forza and vice versa, but Forza fans will remain Forza fans.......
@@FerrariF1Seb05FanI even posted another comment on this video where I stated where each game is better. The fact is Forza fans act like there are no flaws to their game is ridiculous. Especially when it comes to their car models. I'll put it like this: GT7. Good backgrounds. Best car models ever. FM. Very Good backgrounds. Ok car models . GT7 has a better balance. As *Ok* is not good enough for a flagship 1st party title, that took a lot of money and time to make. And I'm being very generous. Forza's models of the Nissan Silvia S15 and BMW E36 M3 are downright atrocious. And that's when most importantly, *THE CARS THE STAR* in both these games. And GT7 is way ahead in that regard.
Going by this video comparison in gameplay mode only:
*Forza Motorsport*
Better chase cam. Greater sense of speed in chase cam. More trackside crowds. More trackside objects. More atmosphere. More detailed trees,
*Gran Turismo 7*
Better exterior car modelling. Better interior car modelling. Better in-car camera. More accurate car sounds. Better driver animations. More detailed grass. Better tarmac textures. Motorsports Marshals.
Thanks for reading.
Thanks for sharing 👍
lolllzzz 😂😂😂
Cockpit camers is not better in GT7, it looks so robotic and also often too dark.
@@M-hq9xz Different times of day show different luminance in the cockpit. How exactly can that be "robotic", it makes no sense? Plus the view can be customized to a players liking. And if you add VR to the mix, spatial awareness and the ability to judge corners takes it to a level Forza players can only dream of.
@@M-hq9xz robotic? The steering animations alone are a full tier above Forza’s, whose arms look like they’re stiff arming the wheel with broken wrists. Forza’s camera’s always too high, has steering animations that are robotic and can’t turn past 180°, has wonky shifting, no sense of lateral/longitudinal/vertical movement, and has interior lighting that disregards having a literal car enveloping it, making it too bright when there should be shadows.
Even the emblem on the steering wheel doesn’t react to lighting and shadows. Easy place to start vs GT’s example.
I'm happy to see how much love Forza is putting in the detail of the circuits. Can't wait for Sunset Peninsula and Mount Panorama later this year!
Same here!
There will be new tracks???
@@ar_p4986 Sunset Peninsula coming in the next update and Mount Panorama on December.
GT7 needs to calm down with the blooming. It's just distracting.
.. but when you play in HDR it will outshine (pun intended)
My favorite channel. Loving your comparison videos.
Wow, thank you! I appreciate it!
forza looks alive, gt7 looks like, just passing by slowly
WOW I can't believe how good forza looks now they almost look like the same game at times it only took Turn 10 nearly a year but here we are.
Forza tracks were always good from the start anyway it was everything else that was a shambles.
Seemingly Forza has come a long way since launch because I remember it not looking anywhere near as good as GT7 at launch, but now it's so close Actually may be even better in this comparison.
it's getting better for sure
Haha yeah for sure see my comment above it looks like we are looking at the same game for the most part.
I like both graphics, Forza is more cinematic, like it's for a movie, while GT is like taking photos with a professional camera.
Best take ever on these 2 games
great point, but as its a racing game with movement, photos do not work, thus gt7 takes the lose
@@Mr.Kumar1 lol nope, forza has to take the L , in a competitive race all the camera shaking and post effects make difficult to hit brake points and avoid contact with other players that is why forza has no competitive online and most races turn into a wreck in the first corner
@@jesusserrano8769 very correct forza is 70% sim, gran turismo is about 85%. However forza takes the W as it looks immersive, good environments ect, well it wins for an arcade game definitely, while gt7 is just a bit boring and stale, environments are just static photo pics. The chase cam looks odd, and car just moves wrong
Both look great, the details i noticed is that forza has a lot of props around the track that are not there in real life, meanwhile Gran Turismo sticks to what the track is in real life
Props such as?? Race trucks? More people? More people inside buildings? What is it?
@@nihilityjoey trees misplaced or not even the same time as the ones irl, cars, boxes, tents who are not there irl, do you need more detail? Look for side to side comparsions between real life and these games, i can provide you a link if you want
@@jesusserrano8769 I always see this bad argument to defend GT7s horrible environmental detail. Just look at those flat 2d 'tree walls'
It's 1000 times better to have a few more (fully detailed) trees than real life, than having a whole circuit that looks worse than Iracing 10 years ago
@jesusserrano8769 it's the most feeble excuse, that Xbox puts in more detail. It really is. Gt7 has a few cars, and a few tracks that are better. That's it. And by better I mean the surfaces and some of the track details. That's it. Everything else goes to Forza ESPECIALLY the driving, you know the main thing about a driving game. I always see this "Forza players bringing up trees, as if trees are what I want in a driving game", and then bring up the grass in gt. Forza has well better driving physics. Gt7 fans really have to grasp straws. The game is good. But as a driving game Forza is just better, and in the way that counts.
@@nihilityjoey if you play on a controller maybe, but playing with a FFB steering wheel you can see how the physics are far better in forza, that is why you see more clean online races in GT7 rather than forza, in GT7 you can be in a 3 Wide or 2 Wide even trough a corner without crashing each other just by beign carefull, meanwhile forza cars bounce around like ping pong balls, not all the cars in forza have the new physics only some feel good, the rest feel horrible, adding the low poly models and unfinished graphics, GT7 is by far a better game i dont know in what blind world you live in kiddo, i remember back in the 360 era forza was huge and better than Gran Turismo that was behind forza , but now forza is far beyond gran turismo in almost every aspect excepto content, forza went to Quantity over Quality, same mistake commited by Gran Turismo 5 and 6 , now they commited with Forza 7 and the new Forza
graphically GT7 is better, but the enviroment and the sense of speed in Forza is beeter. I think both consoles are well represented
idc , i love forza ❤
Forza is looking and feeling better thna gt7
GT looks good but the way the car moves on the screen to me looks and feels all wrong, yet in cockpit it’s great, Forza for me has always played and moved better on screen, track graphics are good but generally the car models are just passable at best, more work will happen I’m sure but it may be too late, Microsoft should get more people in to sort this to get people playing, there’s also
a lot to like in Forza 🤠
Since this video got recommended I went and checked in the Steam page to see if they finally fixed this game,
Recent Reviews: Mostly Negative
All Reviews: Mixed
One review says:
"if you want to know what its like to finally let the road rage take over this is the game for you. its practically an idiotic driver simulator."
They killed FM back to Horizon it is
This is the oldest modeled track in GT7 (was the track used to annunce GT Sport) and the newest in FM add with the last update... funny how you purposely select this ignoring all the others... LOL GT haters are really desperate
Brands Hatch is not a new to Forza track. It has been in FM7 already, so you should inform yourself better.
@@M-hq9xzBut Turn 10 stated as fact Forza Motorsport 2023 is "built from the ground up"! Which indicates this is a newly modelled Brands Hatch in game. So Turn 10 are either lazy or bald face liars? Which negative tag would you apply to them then?
@@cookedit Built from the ground up means they are having a completely new engine, but not that all car and track models are new to Forza. With Brands Hatch they used the old model, but applied the new engine on it and changes a few things here and there like with other tracks too. Kyalami for example is a completely new track
@@M-hq9xzThat's not what built from the ground up means, sorry!
@@cookedityes it does.
Would you please turn on ray tracing (performance R.T.) for Forza?
No.
This is the closest, the most fair comparison.
@@racingvista in that case, it would be a more fair comparison. but it’s your channel and it’s your decision! 👍🏻
@@racingvistawhy the long gap in your answer?
what do mean the closest, put both of the highest, or in xbox sx putting settings to high, surpasses ps5?
@@gonzalo_blackmamba Putting Forza on performance RT doesn't do much for it's visuals. On a contrary it significantly lowers the resolution making overall picture quality worse.
@@racingvista no sh.. t??,... do fps lower too?
thanks for this info, never knew this but why does this happen?? , is the game? or the xbox is less powerful in this particular game?
Thanks again!
As a fm player, gt looks better, forza still takes the cake in terms of driving, map details and sound, but the gran turismo lighting is making me jealous fr
as a GT player, I say enjoy what you enjoy. Both are good in their own right. I'd say FM adds more fanfare to the experience, while GT offers more realism. Neither of which is better or worse imo.
Ambos se ven bien, pero ambos tienen un punto fuerte que otro no, por ejemplo en gran turismo se ve muy bien el reflejo de luz del sol en los vehiculos y forza no lo tiene, pero en forza los arboles son bien detallados, no son cartones como en gran turismo
Hmm. To get forza or get a Emulator so I can get GT7.
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
You should relay to everyone that GT7 crowds only fill up for actual races, the little touches like track days when you're the only one there is part of the game. When you have actual races, the stands are filled. Forza uses a one size fits all approach, so no matter what the stands are filled, no big deal.
PD likes to add little things here and there, like the marshalls and during rainy weather those walking about will have on ponchos. Track side detail isn't a one and done thing in GT. If you played GT7 enough, you might have noticed the little details. Now, if they'd just fix those non moving trees, tired of branches that don't move in the wind, it's weird to see that in this generation of games still.
@@evilformerlys4704 Thats not true, the spectators will also vary in Forza depending on practice or race
@M-hq9xz is that so, so why in this very video you can see the stands practically filled and there is only one car on track? Don't just say things, the video itself is proof.
Add replay videos as well
Once again, Forza looks better overall.
The car difference is very close, but those flat environments in GT7 completely ruin the sight during race.
Wym? The Track un GT7 is as it is IRL, forza just has a lot of props that aren't there in real life, they did the same in other tracks, it looks "cool" but its not realistic
@@jesusserrano8769 And you really think those 2d tree walls with low resolution in GT7 look "realistic"? Don't make me laugh XD
@@markuschief4472 which ones? They are same as in forza the diference in forza they use the same trees for every track, its like the just made 4 to 5 models and just place them randomly , you can watch videos side to side ans the tree lines in GT7 correspond to the ones in real life, unlike forza
@@jesusserrano8769 You haven't paid attention. Forza has all the accurate trees that are recognisable in real life. By saying those GT7 carton tree lines are "accurate" you're defending mediocrity that has been obsolete for years.
@@markuschief4472 - dude, look at RL videos of the tracks. Better yet, I suggest going there.
Forza great detail track side but look cartoonish
Both look good, but Forza looks better😎
Did you watch this vid on your phone? Because I watched it in 4k on my 55" qd oled. And while forza has more stuff around the track, gt is far more detailed. The tarmac on forza and the overall look is blurry. Gt wins by a country mile
@@garyr5866I've done an in-depth comparison of this track. And Forzas bets GT easily. And so does the car here. As well.
@@nihilityjoeyYou're again biased with your comments on all these videos, that I bet that if someone swapped the footage around and said GT was Forza and vice versa, you would still say what you thought was Forza was better even if it turned out to be GT. There's *zero* areas the cars are better in Forza. GT7's car dimensions, paint colour, materials, textures, shine, headlight details, badges, visible engines, brake discs, exhausts, fuel flaps, panel gaps, interior details, working gauges and even the driver animations are better.
There are lots of videos that show GT7's car models not just better than Forza's, but every other game. And I'll admit GT7 has its issues, but their car models definitely not one of them. Yet you refuse to admit Forza has any flaws. That's plain fanboyism
There is tonnes of evidence showing GT7's cars are better and I can bring them up no problem if you ask. I guarantee you can't show me even 1 where Forza's are better.
@cookedit I guess you will pretty much make nothing by asking FM fans to not be biased. I see Forza fans complaining about FM2023 but there are also others that are biased to the bone for it. Thing is that they don't care or don't realize how the game is literally unfinished, with outdated netcodes, countless bugs and 95% recycled content (not to mention the two gens older car models) and they get slapped with the 'built from the ground up' slogan which they do believe and defend diehard the game no matter how bad is as long as it has the Forza name. I as a GT fan love GT7 but I have a list of complaints and of course there will be things that GT will do better than Forza and vice versa, but Forza fans will remain Forza fans.......
@@FerrariF1Seb05FanI even posted another comment on this video where I stated where each game is better. The fact is Forza fans act like there are no flaws to their game is ridiculous. Especially when it comes to their car models.
I'll put it like this:
GT7. Good backgrounds. Best car models ever.
FM. Very Good backgrounds. Ok car models .
GT7 has a better balance. As *Ok* is not good enough for a flagship 1st party title, that took a lot of money and time to make. And I'm being very generous. Forza's models of the Nissan Silvia S15 and BMW E36 M3 are downright atrocious. And that's when most importantly, *THE CARS THE STAR* in both these games. And GT7 is way ahead in that regard.
GT7 for da win! 🤟🏻
The grass on Forza appears so badly flat....!
it was just cut yesterday, gt7 is overgrown
Thats forza? Why does the handling look like a bad NEED FOR SPEED arcade game?
It doesn’t handle like that I don’t know why he was driving like that