Gran Turismo’s Biggest Enigma
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
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It figures that one of my longest videos would be about endurance races, huh?
Music (in order):
Moonlit Wilderness - Satoru Kousaki (Tekken 5)
Get Closer - Masahiro Andoh (Gran Turismo)
Get Into It - Masahiro Andoh (Gran Turismo 2)
Sky Scraper - Daiki Kasho (Gran Turismo 3)
Heaven - Daiki Kasho (Gran Turismo 4 Prologue)
My Precious - Daiki Kasho (Gran Turismo 4)
Drive On Coins - Gonno (Gran Turismo 5)
Continuation - Daiki Kasho (Gran Turismo 6)
Vanquish - Powerless (Gran Turismo Sport)
Nu York Dub - Lenny Ibizarre (Gran Turismo 7)
Galabria - Lenny Ibizarre (Gran Turismo 7)
Menu - Gavin Parker (Test Drive Le Mans)
Timze Money - William Russell Parnell (Race Driver GRID)
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0:00 Introduction
2:31 How Do We Define an ‘Endurance’ Race?
3:30 Gran Turismo (1997)
7:14 Gran Turismo 2 (1999)
10:48 Gran Turismo 3 (2001)
14:38 Gran Turismo 4 (2004)
22:25 Gran Turismo 5 (2010)
27:46 Gran Turismo 6 (2013)
33:11 Gran Turismo Sport (2017)
37:12 Gran Turismo 7 (2022)
42:25 Summary of All Games
43:17 The Endurance Race Enigma - Ігри
GT 5 adding a mid race save function is the ONE THING I wanted all endurance modes to have. I don't have hours to burn, so being able to play the race over a few sessions is something I can only dream of.
I remember when the save function lost me over 6 hours of progress in the Tsukuba 9 Hour... The AI would overshoot the pit entrance when I loaded the save, then would lap the track at pit lane speed. I was not pleased!
@@johnsyeats2044that sounds weird?
@@johnsyeats2044me too especially in 24hr endurances like 24hrs of Nurburgring.
@@purwantiallan5089 To have it happen at Tsukuba is unfortunate but if you get control again after a lap 3 hours to regain a couple of laps isn’t the worst thing. A lap of the Green Hell at pit lane speed though? Nah.
yes but the whole point would be being able to complete an endurance race for the whole time requiring (that would be cool to do with friends or any other ppl)
What if you
Wanted to go to heaven
But God said
"Nah bro, first you gotta win a 24 hour Le Mans race with a Fiat 500 in Gran Turismo"
the old GTR2 was great for making mock endurance races because it allowed you huge grids and to set the day night cycle to 6x meaning 24 hours in an hour or so, i used to love that
GTR2 is still great
However it was only really good for those mock endurance races. Try anything really long and you will encounter an AI Bug after around 3-4 hours that prevents the faster AI cars to lap backmarkers resulting in all faster cars getting stuck and thus rendering the whole race stupidly easy for the player.
@@Soonjaisounds good to me 😂
I still love the civility GTR 2 have you
@@eins2001so did Project CARS 2 and Gran Turismo 2.
24 hrs nur with my highschool friend during summer break and legit doing 4 hr stints is one of my favorite memories. Thank you GT4.
My friends and I would do that with the 24 hr races on the days they happened
We had a group of like 8-12 people. We would start the race as close to the real races. Would have the game on 3 different TVs and the race on 3 others.
Gt4
We would try to beat the milage on the real race
One thing that GT4 introduced that people usually just forget about is chassis degradation, and it plays quite a big role in the 24 hours races. When a car is new, the chassis is nice and rigid, but after a while it starts to lose rigidity due to stress (also, when you buy an used car that doesn't have low mileage, it also comes with fully degraded chassis), and the loss of rigidity makes the faster cars behave quite badly, especially under braking. Using the rigidity upgrade will often make racecars overly stiff, but it will also delay the chassis degradation, allowing you to use a rigid car for longer, and the rigidity refreshment plan option allows you to reset the chassis degradation back to zero.
Also, oil does something similar, a fresh oil change will give you a boost of 5% to your engine's power, but will slowly start to drop back to 0 after 500km has been driven.
engine permanent wear is also a thing
@@TheTrooperMBwas going to say
I could never get that to work, had to do the 24hrs in 24hrs, it's not that difficult once you figure out the strategy, I did something like the first 5 or 6 stints with super soft slicks and the lowest amount of fuel I thought I'd get away with, followed by countless hours droning around on hard tires with occasional bursts of quick lap times if the opposition gets close
I finally finished the nurburgring 24 hour race without using b-spec mode for the very first time a couple of days ago in GT4, and honestly it was the most exhausting thing I've ever done in gaming despite only racing for roughly 1 to 3 hours a day.
My poor PS2 was begging for mercy by the end, as was my body.
Luckily GT4 and GT3 are very solid in emulators, and you can use save states there to make endurance races more manageable!
That said amazing accomplishment to do it in original hardware! Your PS2 deserves a medal as well for not letting you down!
@@mafiousbj thank you so much, it was well worth it for the satisfaction of not needing save states in an emulator or b-spec mode, but I don't think I'll ever do it again lol
I don't blame anyone for not trying it themselves, even with save states it's an exhausting challenge.
My PS2 is a proper champ though, pushing 21 years old and took running for over a week and a half straight without issue, but the poor thing needs some serious tlc after that level of abuse
@@mafiousbji ever beaten all 3 24hrs races in GT4 also. WITHOUT TURNING OFF THE CONSOLE!
@@purwantiallan5089 you have way more mental and physical fortitude than I do, so very nice job on getting through all 3. 👍
I might try doing the other two eventually, but not any time soon.
Your PS2 was fine. There's no real harm in leaving a PS2 on for an extended amount of time. In fact, a processor being consistently hot is probably better than it alternating between cold and hot several times in the same time frame. Metal warming up and cooling down causes it to change size, which leads to mechanical stress on solder joints.
Sure, the fans would incur an additional 24 hours worth of mechanical wear, but that's really nothing compared to the (likely) thousands of hours of power on time they would normally have over a PS2's lifetime.
Now if it's full of dust, that's a whole different issue, and an issue that's shared with most electronics that have fans and are getting old.
In the always-online gaming landscape, there's one place where I feel endurance races could shine: Co-operative, consecutive, multiplayer.
We often paused and handed off the controller to a friend back in the day, so why not make that mechanic official? You and your friends sign up as a race team and when the first driver pits, their race ends. The next member of the team could receive a notification to say their race is available, and when they load up they could begin from where the first driver left of; Repeat until the race is complete. Minimum two drivers required, and only limited on the upper limit by how many times you'd need to pit.
Obviously this can only work against AI opponents, but otherwise I suspect all the mechanics already exist to make something like this function. Maybe that's a niche feature, but I'd play it!
Le Mans Ultimate should be coming out this year, and apparently it includes a ”collaborative asynchronous race mode” which is exactly what you described
@@joonakoskue5317 To bad it´s being made by Motorsport games, so it will most likely come out as a broken mess. Hope I will get proven wrong though as I have longed for a new proper WEC title for a long time .
the idea is not bad but anyone who has every played coop with random people can tell you that for a 15 minute halo level 95% of the time people would drop out
now imagine keeping a bunch of people together for 24 hours
it could maybe possible probably not but maybe work if you just do it with friends but meh i dont think it would work
@@HECKproductions If you were scheduling players to turn up at a specific time to some degree you're right, but I'm not suggesting that: You don't need to keep people together for 24 hours, it's *consecutive* multiplayer or "one after another". When a player finishes their leg, the next player is notified that they have x hours/days to complete their leg or it's passed on to the next person in the team instead.
If you wanted to race against other humans of course, you'd have to have scheduled times and yes - that would result in a probably 50/50 drop out rate, which would feel like 95%.
You might be interested in iRacing and AC: Competizione. They regularly host endurance events exactly like what you're describing. :)
There's really only been one game where I thoroughly enjoyed endurance racing, and it's as far removed from something like Gran Turismo as you can imagine.
The Crew (the first one) had faction missions which could last from as little as five minutes to several hours depending on the event. The massive map with its different cities and regions, dynamic time and weather but also things like traffic and wild life made them very exciting. I also liked how they had different themes based on where the race would lead, such as a race from coast to coast, or one around the borders of the map, or the longest one taking you along all major landmarks in the United States. These faction missions were the only time where I felt the game really took advantage of its huge map and it's been a shame that subsequent titles couldn't scratch that same itch. The Crew 2 added the ability to switch vehicle types on the fly - even adding planes, boats and bikes while also adding more roads to the map. Yet the longest race in that game is just around 30 minutes and only uses road cars. What a damn shame
Cute:)
The Crew 1 stands as one of my favorite racing game of all time.
Ohhh... *_THAT_* race. I remember it fondly but i also hate it.
I tried that race with my beloved R34 GT-R, and in fact i went as far as to be 2 miles from the finish line with barely 15% HP... *then the infamous map dissapear bug happened.* I completely didn't knew where i was going, and i crashed a truck at about 80 mph.
I never finished that race :c
I haven't played the crew but I get what you mean as one of my favorite games test drive unlimited 1 and 2 had long races like that and they were a lot of fun so yeah endurance races in games can be fun even if they're not motorsport related games
Im still mad at how badly they ruined that series. 2 sucked.
It's a massive shame that Polyphony have dropped the ball with Endurance races since GT6, especially when other Racing games like GRiD (2007) had figured out the best way to do it, where you choose how long the race is, so you can scale it to what's doable for you. If you want the full on realism, you can do the full 24 Hours. If you don't have a lot of free time, you can make it 20 minutes.
Exactly. Could you run over debris and damage your car in Grid? I remember something like that.
For me 4 hours is just enough... longer races need this feature, First it was included in Test Drive Le Mans (Eutechnyx version not Infogrmaes) back in late 1990s
@@ittylinkyeah you could I remember doing it
@@ittylinkin GRID you just get slowed down but you wont ruined your car there
@@ittylinkin Race Driver GRID and TEST DRIVE LE MANS you can also set up the endurance races from 12mins to 24hrs.
As someone who’s first Motorsport love was NASCAR and then grown to love all forms of racing, it kind of saddens me that there was no Daytona 500 or brickyard 400 endurance races in gt5. They had officially licensed stock cars and NASCAR tracks, wished there would have been just 1 NASCAR themed race
Was about to comment the same. You have the tracks, you paid for the licenses to NASCAR, and PD even made it a big deal. It's also something that irked me with Forza, having the 24 Hours of Daytona and the Indy 500, but not the Daytona 500 or the Brickyard.
24 minute races were a brilliant idea, much more approachable for people afraid of full on endurance racing. What Polyphony should have done was to have them alongside the classic long events not instead of them.
Indeed. Ideally you should give more options to players, not take the old ones away. Specially with newer consoles with expanded capabilities, lack of disc space or processing power is no longer an excuse.
Make the 24 minute events the ones to count towards the campaign progress, but keep the 24 hours (or 2.4 hours as the user comment in the video said) as an option if you want to challenge yourself.
@@mafiousbjwell sadly is.
Compressing a full day to 24 minutes just feels cartoonish. Before even finishing a single lap of Nürburgring, it'd be night time. 4x time progression is the highest I'd want to go if I wanted it to feel somewhat realistic. 6 hours for a "24" hour endurance race sounds doable for anyone who's moderately interested in racing games, especially if you could suspend the race and take a break, or continue the next day.
It's fine for a game to feature challenges that only some players are interested in. No one's forced to 100% every game they own.
@@stale2665 Yeah, 24 minutes feels more like a curiosity special event than an actual alternative to proper races. They could've easily had options for 2:40 hours, 4, 6, 8, 12 and 24 hours - and since GT6 didn't have prize cars for the specific events, they only had to scale the credits payout relative to how long the race was.
10:24 - funny you specifically mention using US muscle cars at the Seattle City 100 event in GT2, as this is how I got one of my all-time favourite races in any Gran Turismo game! I used a 1970 Dodge Challenger in this exact race, not just a US muscle car but a vintage one - having noticed that the AI were hopeless in the classic muscle cars, and all the main contenders were racing modern ones (97 Camaros, 99 Mustangs, Vipers etc). So tuning up the old Challenger with mainly a few handling mods (no horsepower upgrades!) I ended up having an epic cat and mouse battle with two modern Camaros all race long, only made the pass for the win with two laps to go, and my MOV was I think under 2 seconds? Just a fantastic race! Perfect demonstration of the point you made - entering cars in the spirit of the event, and/or experimenting with handicaps and such, can create such absolute MAGIC in GT endurance races :)
I adore the GT endurance racing! The Grand Valley 300km to me is just legendary. My favorite original track tied with High Speed Ring.
I´m with you dude, those two are amazing, altough i don´t handicap myself on those events, i go full OP cars to easy wins lol.
@@junkaname6900Coco Hayashi also loves Grand Valley 300KM.
Gt1 was set the tone
I love mid field, trial mountain and deep forest raceway the most
One thing they can do to improve fully fledged endurance races would be to give the player more info. Like, what tyres are the AI on and what would be their normal strategy, some suggestions for your own strategy, pitloss, etc.
Wish GT7 brought back all endurance races and no online only.
agree. we need a weather forecast, strategy etc. instead of try and error..
I would've liked the Endurance races in GT7 if they weren't the same "catch the leader who is full lap ahead of you" as the main races.
They weren't too long and had some nice variety with weather.
I like that the Spec II mod for GT4 aims to make more shorter endurance races, because while it is cool to have real 24h ones, most people would likely rather have something closer to an hour or 2.
There isnt endurance races in Gt7, you have to do that in online 😅
@@hybridAbsolyes. GT7 even though it has single player back, ITS STILL ONLINE ONLY!
Actually, the way GT7 handles racestarts (while stupid and not fun in regular races) might be a great way for endurance to keep players on their toes and focused throughout the entire race, given the AI limitation in the game. It might actually be more fun to chase the leader down for 3h, rather than overtaking the leader on lap 2 and then just cruising around for the remining 2:50h
or let's go think completely out of the box and just improve the ridiculously bad ai that seemingly hasn't changed since goddamn gt3
Spa 1 hour is probably my favorite race in the game. It's not as finicky as the short races (need either overpowered car or run perfect races) and you have room to just chip away with consistently good laps. I loved the first time I did it, when it started raining an hour in, and I found out I didn't have rain tires. Emergent gameplay there. But then tried it again and just kept up a good pace and only needed a single pit, and by fortune, won by about the time of a single pit stop.
For what I remember, Test Drive Le Mans for the Dreamcast had a 24h race, also the option to save mid race.
And this Level thing in GT5 was a deal breaker for me, I played for 1h in 2014, took it out of the PS3, and it is sitting on the shelf to this day.
And now, I am going to do the last two races missing in my GT1 save, All night 2 and Grand Valley 300, thanks for the motivation boost!
Me and Coco Hayashi also. Seems like endurance races in GRID 2008 still way above GT7.
The level thing really does ruin GT5, especially since it completely shatters your freedom when starting a new game because you have a very slim number of car options and even fewer race options. It got worse in GT6, with the game forcing you to pick a specific car to start in.
I got into a flow state and did the 24 hour A spec Le Mans race almost in one go once, did 14 hours in a single sitting without leaving my seat and felt like I'd done about 2-3 hours. Not healthy, but it was quite an experience
Did you even eat or take a restroom brake ? 😐
@@joshuajefferson3504 nope, felt awful after I "finished" the race (got 7 hours ahead with 6 hours left on the clock) and had to run to the toilet then go get something to eat. Like I said it's a really bad idea but when you get into that state you don't notice anything, and your lap times get metronomically precise, I think I had a 26 lap stretch where every lap was within a second barring in and out laps, with those matching each other just as closely. Just remember that while it feels amazing while you're in that state and your lap times get incredibly fast and consistent it's hell for a good couple of hours after, and your body will be screaming at you to sleep
You say flow state, I say adderall
@@erdngtn9942 no drugs were involved, just a combination of stress and autism
@@BurningmonkeyGTRincredibly based
'My favourite thing in GT7 has just been flushed down the toilet'
That might be the most perfect one-line review of GT7 in general xD
I kinda knew it was lackluster but seeing this video, is like getting kick in the teeth 😭
As if the lack of cars wasnt bad enough
The most memorable GT endurance race I had was at Non Monaco in GT3 I was using my 787B work horse that I used for all my championships so it took a BEATING and unfortunately it lost HP right when I started the race so it was slower than the lead 787B and with Monaco goofy layout I couldn't out corner the leader on medium tires so I had to win on tire wear by managing the pace and by the end of the Race he was starting to gain on me but he had to pit in the second to last lap and I didn't putting him FIRMLY in second
I love the usage of Tekken soundtracks in your vids. After hearing the intro of this vid with the Moonlit Wilderness from Tekken 5, I knew this was gonna be a banger video
Funfact: Even Tekken's soundtracks are better and offer more longterm amusement can GT7's "career mode" :D
@@osimos True, I can listen to Tekken music for hours, can't say the same about playing GT7 lol
The best part about endurance races is that it really showed me how much of a beast the PS2 actually is to be powered on for nearly an entire day.
51:20 happened to me once, couldn't remember which race in GT4, but it overheated pretty badly I had to buy one of those USB fan to be able to finish it. It had to be the longer ones.
I feel like a bog part of this with GT7 is their pushing of Sport mode. It's like the "campaign" mode is still just an afterthought. So many of the more unique cars and classes have no events they can be used in.
Exactly - eSports has ruined innovation that Gran Turismo could have had with everything they built from the ground up
51:20 - My cousin has done the 24H of Nürburgring. At the end, he received the red loading screen in GT4. The worst outcome possible 😅
Later, he tried again! Luckily, nothing happen 😅
gran turismo taught me with racing games that 5+ lap races ultimately feels better to run than 1-2 laps because in the event of an accident you have way more time to catch back up. it's way more rewarding than just running to the restart button because you simply don't have enough race to make the comeback.
it's why i kind of dislike how GT4 took away qualifiers for single races. in some series you're expected to gain 5 positions over the course of a single lap in Tokyo R246. like bruh this minds of well be a driving mission.
The problem is you need decent AI and a good performance rating system (to let you know what cars you can bring to a race and have a decent challenge with) to actually make longer races interesting. What usually happens in GT is passing everyone in 1 or 2 laps and then the rest of the race is just a time trial. Or alternatively as in GT7, starting half a minute behind and slowly making your way through slow traffic which isn't really any more exciting.
based Klonoa pfp
You can qualify in gt4. Go into "practice" and that's the qualifier
@@whynotlego7242This is only available for championships
in GT2 AI Will literally wait for you even in 3 lap race
I have so many great memories of completing the Endurance races of video games past. From the early days of Gran Turismo and staying up way late with my two brothers, grinding out that last Super Speedway run. All the way to the early Forza entries, when me and the boys would take shifts every 30 minutes on the Maple Valley Endurance to get that next 250K lick. It’s been imbedded in me at such a young age to run long races, so naturally when I see a 25+ lap race, my eyes light up. Great video, you’ve REALLY been hanging them out lately!
I remember that one time I had a really exciting endurance race in GT5. It was the Roadster endurance at Tsukuba and I remember having an AI drive right behind me for hours on end, sometimes even overtaking me with positions swapping every once in a while by either an overtake or strategy, until late into the race it pitted while I was able to go until the end. It almost caught up to me with brand new tires, but I was able to just edge it over the line. It was a strategic and exciting battle and probably the peak moment of any endurance race I've ever driven in Gran Turismo.
Having just become a fan of WEC, it really does suck that GT is so uninterested in actually including true endurance.
GT is one of the biggest reasons I even got into endurance. Watching different classes of cars running around the field is such a treat, and in the past I have enjoyed a few endurance races in GT history. And the ones I tended to gravitate towards were what one would call the tip of the iceberg, with my favorite GT2 race being the hour-long 30 laps of Trial Mountain.
A lot of me wants to one day do a full 24 hour run. A lot of me wants to race all the time. But apart from the online races GT7 officially holds, which I do compete in, it's hard to really find the motivation to plug in my G923 and do single player content when the content just doesn't interest me as much as online races do. And at my rank(which I will admit now is D), the online races are rather short, at about 30 minutes. I can't get my fix because Polyphony doesn't provide it, and I'm not good enough at GT7 online to where I can handle higher league races because it was never really facilitated for players like me to do them.
I am 38 years old and I am still playing Gran Turismo 4.
Tells you a lot about how good the game is...or how bad Todays Games are
i replayed that a few months ago and youre right. Its a complete game that makes the later Gts feel like souless demos
i need to find a copy for my ps2
i am playing on an Emulator.Its better for Mods that make the graphics better @@damongambuti
@@damongambutibetter idea : emulation
@@xr.spedtech yea fair enough but i have hardware that works so i might as well use it
My solution to endurance races would be have 3 length options for 24 hour races. 24 Minutes, 2.4 hours and the full 24 hours but give an achievement or something extra to the people who complete the full 24 hours. This also gives casual players the ability to complete all the races too.
perfect solution
Coco Hayashi ever done this too.
PC2 had this, it's perfect
project cars 2 had something like that
@@purwantiallan5089??????
I like how in GT1, the "All-Night Endurance" were two separate entries. With the All Night 1 race allowing race cars, All Night 2 did only allow road cars. It was a nice touch at the time
Well, I guess I'm early. Anyways you know its a good day when RoflWaffle uploads a video lol
With that said, I'm a huge fan of Gran Turismo 4's Endurance Races. I especially adore the Grand Valley 300 (which is *THE* Gran Turismo race, and the Fuji 1000km. I do have an appreciation for Polyphony's decision to add full 24hr races. Albeit I am yet to play said races for some reason. Nevertheless, I also kinda like the idea of the 24 minute races. I think it's kind of a "Highlights" of the entire 24 hour event.
This is the video I have always wanted but never believed anyone would ever make. You are a true hero
The video gets to the point at 46:14 , and yeah I agree, in GT races don't have enough variables to make endurance racing exciting. The appeal for endurance racing in real life is that so many things could go wrong during a 24h race, I can only imagine how much of an adventure it must feel like for a team to head into it not knowing how far they'll get. Their car could very well get left behind at the beginning but then catch up with others as they run into mechanical issues or accidents. But in GT, after a couple of laps you already know for certain whether or not you'll win the race, and anything afterward is a repeat of the same first few laps and first pit stop.
Not necessarily, GT4 allowed a huge variety in what you could do and also in what could happen in the race - thanks in part to some shoddy AI, but still...
For example beating the "Formula Gran Turismo" cars with a Group C sportscar could be achieved one of several ways, but generally not on pace at several tracks. You had to qualify on softs, then if you raced on Hard/Super Hard tyres they would leave you for dead, but stop 2.2 times to your once - so you had to keep with them as much as possible on worse tyres, with slow warm-up, while they zipped around on softs, but stopping more often. Same could be done with small cars like the Suzuki GSXR/4 with low weight and Med tyres you still could stop less than some of the SuperGT or other opponents in the enduro races - or you could go the opposite way and try to go head- to- head from pole, keeping cats behind while you go flat- out, but then if they punted you off or you spun, whole strategic rethink needed.
Just like real endurance racing, all is not lost by the first stops - provided you buy the right type of tyres.
I never see channels mention this, but on GT5 B-spec races at launch, it wasn't just that you couldn't save. No, you couldn't even pause the game, but had to do the full 24 hrs in one setting, with ""pauses"" only possible if you left the AI driver to its own devices, which meant that after a short while it started to drive erratic and either burned tires or drove way too slow.
It was utter insane, I can't come to grips with what they were thinking shipping the game and expect normal people be okay with that gameplay.
If career mode is meant to be the single player campaign and online races is the PvP mode of racing games. It just makes sense that endurance racing would serve as the co-op mode for the genre.
6/7 years old, waking up at 6am on Saturday morning to do a 3 hour endurance before my mum and dad woke up
you put way more effort into these videos than the game deserves... at least the later games. the lack of endurance racing in gt7 was what made me jump the boat to iracing. that, and the team element available, and the up to date cars, and the fact that it has a good BoP, and cars from 50 years ago can't compete with cars from this year. could go on
I actually loved the 1 hour mission challenges though. if they paid out repeatedly,,,
@@17peteclarkethey definitely want make sure you can't win credits excessively. May they could at least make it have a cooldown period or something.
@@ittylinkit's so stupid, I've been playing since day 1 of launch and I'm not close to finishing the car collection at all (not am I super interested in doing so) . Reality is the car credits is annoying because there's no other way to get cars in the game asides from the initial cafe menus, licenses, Missions and lucking out on a roulette ticket
And all those cars you win you could buy anyway from the dealers
It's an unfortunate trend with Polyphony, especially from GT5 onwards. Being able to do things, but just choosing not to. They had the ability to make the best endurance races in the series in GT6 and could in GT7...but didn't and don't. It's exactly the same with your video on GT7's AI, they have the ability to make the best AI races in the series by far even without Sophy but don't.
I enjoyed a couple of the 1 hour "Human Comedy" events (before subsequent updates broke the pp system and now you have to google setups to make some of them even possible) especially the 550pp tuned cars event at Koyoto, and also some of the money grind events in the world circuits can be fun if you go out of your way to restrict your own performance to make them balanced. However, Polyphony gave them all the braidead AI and haven't added any actual events more than 2 or 3 laps in a year and a half so yeah, there's a lot of room for improvement that I'm not sure will ever come at this point.
Gran Turismo 4. I managed to beat nürburgring 24 hours in 1 sitting. No B-Spec, no pause breaks, I wanted a challenge. I fell asleep briefly for an hour mid way through and had to fight to gain the lead again, but I won in the end. Never. Again.
I'm going to say one thing without watching this video. In GT6, i did the Circ de la Sarthe 30 lap race, and fell asleep on the straightaway on lap 26.
Huge respect to everyone who has the focus and mental fortitude to do these races
All your videos are such a pleasure to watch. The amount of information and attention to detail put into them is second to none. Thanks again for another great video!
Tekken 5 Moonlit wilderness to start off the video was pure class, one of the best fighting game themes ever
Crazyy how the first minute perfectly describes why I love endurance racing so much. We need more Rolfwaffle motorsport content like that JLOC video!
I've played a preview of forza motorsport, and it felt more arcade than simulation. GT is a very special offering in the world of driving games, if only they could get their act together
are my suspicions about it just being another run of the mill Forza Motorsport correct? i really didn't buy into the whole "built from the ground up" thing and all the marketing bs they spewed because i really don't have faith in Turn 10, especially after seeing them recycle car lists and models from previous games yet again
@@TheRageLivesOn Yeah I'd really like to know as well. I'll probably get the game either way because I've never played a single FM and I like what the game has to offer
Did you play with any of the settings or just plugged a wheel and called it a day?
@@skythundersky1544 honestly i'd say if you have a way to, play FM3 and 4 instead. the new one just seems to lack any soul or character compared to 1-4. just seems like the same old 23 Drivatar train to maneuver around instead of harder racing against a lower amount of opponents like in the first 4. obviously i havent played it yet, but from what little ive seen, i have a very strong hunch that it wont be anything to write home about
@@TheRageLivesOn Yeah I get that but I don't wanna drive around in 20 year old cars over and over again. I love old cars (I'm literally importing a 20yo car rn) but I love newer cars just as much. Overall the game looks appealing to me and I wanna try it out. After all I can refund it if I don't like it so there's really no risk. Thanks a lot for your insight though
Gran Turismo 4: 24 hour races with no variables
Gran Turismo 6: 24 minute race where it goes from a sunny day to a stormy night within 10 minutes
I think the reason The endurance races were downgraded after Kaz did most of his real life racing is a quite logical development and Unfortunately I think it is this.... In the REALLY early interviews with Kaz about GT2 in it's early development he states that Inspiration for GT was because he was longing(HUNGRY) to become a Race Car Driver IRL but that was nearly impossible in Japan so making the Simulation as realistic as he could was the Closest he thought he would ever get to real racing but now after getting to Race and WIN IRL I think he isn't that kind of HUNGRY anymore and is more just enjoying the warm memories and I think GT7 with it's laid back Cafe settings and car museum show rooms reflects that pretty accurately
Kaz is getting old and isn't hungry anymore. Solution: get him fired and replace him with somebody else.
GT7's most recent Manufacturer's Cup race at the time of this comment was 35 laps and about 75 minutes, and it was an amazing experience for most people that took part. GT7 is a whole enigma within an enigma on its own, but I think it shows that PD still *can* create great endurance experiences, when they try.
i love the minolta in GT but its really funny how its such an OP machine whereas in real life it was a colossal failure
one participated in one race and DNF
two participated in another race and made the last two spots
and that is all the 88c-v ever raced
if a game is going to have them they need to be done well.
Driver changes
fuel and tyre wear
night day and weather changes.
multiple classes of cars.
and connections to real world events....yeah I know we can't have every track
those are my must haves.
In regards to driver changes it would be cool to have you and a friend be able to do it together via online or whatever.
I remember doing the endurance races in GT1 back when I was a kid. I certainly wasn't as good a driver as I am now, so they were actually quite thrilling for me. Felt like I was just one tiny mistake away from losing the whole time. From there, I missed out on everything until GT5, and I remember the restrictions being rather weak, bringing the best car I could, and then being let down at how slow the AI were, that I could just cruise around Tsukuba for hours just one or two laps ahead to really make the fuel and tires last and avoid mistakes. When GT6 dialed it back to just 24 minutes, yeah, it's not much time, but the AI were more challenging, especially at Daytona. Human Comedy felt like a checklist, but the Maggiore race actually did kinda feel unfair at first, just b/c I had no reason to expect the AI to be so fast when they were always terrible before. It felt like a cheap trick to force me to invest more time at first, but was lots of fun when I eventually beat it. If the AI could have just been that hard with most of the events, especially considering there is a difficulty setting anyway (which feels broken), then it would have been a much more enjoyable experience.
I beaten them all man.
I remember my uncle leaving his PS2 on for days or weeks at a time what it seemed like. Such solid gaming machines at the times
a honurable mention to the Dacia logan that crashed at nordschleife
I've been binge watching your entire channel, it's really great stuff. Thank you for taking the time and all the hard work into putting out the deep dive long form content like this.
GT4 Endurance Races: *exists*
PCSX2 savestates: *exists*
Excellent video. My most fond GT memories are from the GT3 endurance races. Nice cashflow too. Big time investment but having a big payday was so satisfying and felt like Christmas every time.
These were my jam back in the day. I would pause the game to sleep/eat/go to school, and for some reason, my power never went out or nobody turned off my console. 😂
I barely played any GT game past GT4 and I still could listen you talk about recent GT all day, lol.
Love your essays, keep'em up!
I remember being paranoid as heck leaving my PS2 on for so long, but I did finish a couple of 24h races in GT4 switching between myself and B-Spec every few hours, the worst part was if you wanted to leave the game playing while asleep, the tire/fuel select menu would stay open for too long if you weren't there to press OK which meant I had to use a car that was significantly faster to make up for the long pitstops.
Great video, never knew about that cut out GT5 content, such a shame they didn’t add it, even as DLC perhaps. I love the Endurance races and wish they’d come back, especially the longer ones with the dynamic weather
Don't usually leave any comments on videos but believed I had to for this one. Have been a huge fan of Endurance races in the GT games and this video hits hard. Keep up the great work!!
I remember when starting any endurance race on PS1, put the game on pause, go 8hours to work, coming back home and continuing the race, hoping that my console didn't have burn 😂
Great commentary, friend. I completely agree with your closing thoughts.
my best GT race was doing the Fuji endurance race in GT4, I had to share the TV with my sister so started the race & after an hour had to put the AI in the car at a pitstop, I came back 90 minutes later 1 lap behind the leader & chased them down & took the lead back with about 5 laps remaining
For the past two years I've been playing offline gt5 and gt6 and I really love that you cover older gt's offline content so extensively. I hope for new videos in the future, maybe rally throughout gt history. cheers
When I was able to purchase my own PS1 in 1998, I was "so addicted" to GT, that I would play 12-20 hours a day.
Learning/achieving the many various Required Licences was my "Main Goal"!
The graphics at the time were phenomenol, but the physics of the vehicles made me realize that "this wasn't Mario Brothers" anymore...
I became instantly addicted to the GRAN TURISMO gameplay!
Great, outspoken video with many great points expressed. Even I had to try to make time back then to do the endurances. I like the idea of lessening the time or lap distance for reduced rewards but still counting. Then too, you have to find that middle ground to appease to both hardcore racing fans and casuals as best as possible. Excellent video!
The most "weird" thing about endurance races in GT (I do not remember which one, but it was for sure one of the first 4 version) is that in one of the mentioned version, I found that with a perfect balanced car set up, once ALL the tires became "red" (depleted), I would have been faster than the new ones for a bunch of laps, before degrading actually to zero and starting to loose time. I think it was in GT4 (the first one with B-spec races???) because I remember that the CPU driver will go back into the Pit-lane by itself as soon it reached the first hint of "red-depleted tires" status, but if manually driven by me I could run "some more laps" at a better pace, then get in advance the pit-stop time spent in the pit-lane, netting an overal race time alike I never had a stop (huuuuuge advantages: I had entire dozen of laps lead by the end of the most longer endurances)
great video mate, i really do miss those long endurance races.
anyone else cheated the el capitan endurance by giving a race car some sports tires just to unlock the minolta easily?
GT7's endurance race is waiting for the content that was promised
One idea that could be used for endurance races with pit stops is to allow saving checkpoints during your pit session.
a test of your hands, eyes, and system endurance, as well as strategy and consistency. definitely a trial by fire to improve your skills.
True.
I once tried doing the 24hrs Nur in one sitting - No B-Spec driver to help me along either. I very quickly learned how debilitating exhaustion could be lmao
You should make a list of all the features present in the GT franchise that you would like to see in one single game
Roflwaffle really hitting me in the feels with that Tekken 5 music in the start of the video
I've inhaled several tons of copium and ended up creating some of these endurance races with the custom race feature. If the payout of them was fairer, I'd struggle to find a fault, apart from the obvious lack of a save feature and the limited grid number. The feeling of completion is also missing because of all this, which just kills the ethusiasm for me.
Also the very slow AI currently in GT7 isn't worth creating custom endurance races either, hopefully that will change once Sophy is properly released
@@AdamTheMan1993 Actually I find them to be much more competitive if you enable BoP in the races.
Yeah, i had hopes that custom races would give more CR than fixed races but i was wrong, its rigged 😡
While not exactly endurance, you could have mentioned the Formula Gran Turismo World Championship in GT4, which is possibly the longest event by far, with opponents being the Gran Turismo Formula, and being not just long, but also the toughest event in the game, or even series, by a great margin!
The 1999 Le Mans 24hr game actually had the Le Mans 24hr in game, so you could do a 24hr race that early! It was ported to PS2 in 2001 and remade for PC in 2002. Yet, quite impressive.
41:18 Nice callback to the J-Loc Lamborghini
Great video once again, and, once again, we see the immense potential this game has. The endurance races/ championships we could have is unlimited... Damn it! And I even forgot about the 30 cars and multi class in GTSport , we need that.
The Lago Maggiore event from GT Sport might be my number one favorite across all the Gran Turismo games
True it was a really hard challenge but so enjoyable.
When I started my GT4 playthrough, the first thing on my mind was how I was going to complete the 24 hour races as I did every race on A-Spec, so I had to use the PCSX2 emulator to save mid game with save states, then resume after each session because there was no way that I can do it in one go due to my busy real life commitments. It took me about 6 days for each 24h race, 4 hours each session.
The Nurburgring 24h was the race I didn't bother using an equal car to the AI so I wanted to go for a lap record to see how many I can do. The other 2 Le Mans races I tried to spice up the race by slowing down and crashing on purpose to give them a chance.
About 9 months was spent doing the playthrough and I was relieved when finishing the last endurance race as I got 100% completion.
Recording the 12 hour videos for 2 parts took a whole day to upload due to the file size and Full HD quality, more than 200GB each video. No chance I'd do that again.
ngl, back in 2006, the first time i was unlocked the endurance events in GT4, i was speechless & sit down for a moment, thinking on how do i gonna complete the 24h events. At that time, i didn't know how to use the B-spec, and months later after that, I was find out that the B-spec can be fast forward.
But then again, no other games ever tried to make such a very long race at that time. Which is for me, GT4 will always the most memorable game for me.
I loved the endurance races on 4-5. It has been so long since i played 1-2-3 i cant remember but the fact that 2 years on and we still havent got proper endurance races on 7 is a joke. Even the online races could be doubled in length sometimes hate 4-5 lap sprints tho i know im probably in the minority anyway love the video keep up the great work
2:56 Every NASCAR race is an endurance race under that detention....which yeah, knowing how short F1 races are NASCAR races are really long and without a doubt an endurance race
One of my biggest laments about the GT franchise is that it never really brought back or expanded its formula 1 catalogue, or even open wheelers in general :( No CART, no indy, etc. Only recently did we start getting maybe 1 or 2 from other categories, but damn it was a loooooooong drought.
Agree. It would have been nice if they made a 2023/2024 spec Formula Gran Turismo inspired by 2023/2024 F1 regulations. So far their Super Formula open wheelers are so scarce, not even a full championship
Funny how many comments here mention the mid race saving function because they don't have time, and not because having the console running for 24h straight would burn it to the ground (or at least corrupt the save file entirely)
I've never played GT, but the most endurance I had to put out was doing custom races in NFS SHIFT on the Nordschleiffe and just setting it to 20 laps. It got you basically 400kms of driving, and doing it in something with only mild engine tuning but some decent handling (my pick was the Hakosuka, it had a cool livery) meant it took you quite a while to complete it.
And there was no way to save or anything so you basically had to just do it in one go :D
I have a cool idea for Gran Turismo. Make a championship consisting of 10 races, each 2.4 hours. In total they sum up to 24 hours. So they can call it the 24 series. In each race you also have to drive different classes, and in each race, time is accelated to 10x. Playing 24h hours alone in single player surely isn't too fun, i guess.
Me and a couple of mates set up a custom race: 9 hours of the Nurburgring endurance layout in GR3 cars and with full weather and damage set up. Was honestly one of the best times I’ve ever had on a game and would definitely recommend getting a couple of mates round and doing an endurance race together
Great vid mate. 👍
Unfortunately though I think it just highlights what many of us have been saying. That GT7 has some amazing potential in offline mode that they have just given up on showcasing any further.
It's a shame cause I really enjoy offline but have resorted to mostly playing multiplayer lately
In Gran Turismo 4, I thought I'd easily win the Nurburgring 24 Hours by entering a tuned up Superbird and having the B-spec driver take care of the whole thing. Sure enough, the driver took off like a rocket and established a giant lead. I left the room to go on with my day.
I came back a few hours later, only to find that the B-spec driver was now several minutes behind the leader! It turned out that the B-spec driver was very bad at figuring out pit stop timing on such a long track, and was constantly running out of gas.
Brilliant video thank you.
I have fond memories of playing endurance races on GT4 from doing a 24 hour race myself to leaving it on bspec while I go to work and hoping my console wouldn't melt or crash 😅
My passion for racing and cars in general started with my neighbours copy of GT3 and 4. I'd come over on weekends and even though he was 8 years older we bonded over the game. I'd take shifts with more of his friends in endurance races. For the daytona 24h, Le Mans 24 and Nurburg 24, we'd all meet up and play some GT alongside the real race.
I later bonded with my best friend playing GT5 when it came out and I got myself a PS3 and GT5. Funnily enough, GT5 was my last GT. I got a PC instead of getting a PS4 in Dec 2012 and well I never looked back. I now play with a full sim rig and triple monitors. Am sad that GT haven't gone back to its origins, atleast for me.
For GT2, I always went with the challenge of lowest hp /weight I could win with. I did the Grand Valley 300 in a 320hp Vectra touring car. I might try it in a racing civic tomorrow
GT7 endurance: start 5 miles behind 1st place & weave through traffic & catch up in 3 laps...
GT 5: The Loading
GT4 doesn't let you do 24 hour races in 8 hours with 3x mode unless you literally sit there and babysit *every* pit.
The reason is that, upon every pit, it exits the overview mode and puts you back into real-time mode.
You then have to reset it to 3x and go back to what you were doing.