Film Theory: 5 Post-Multiverse of Madness Theories (Doctor Strange)
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Theorists, I made some predictions about Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness right before the release of the movie. Now that it is out I can say, I was RIGHT! Well, mostly. It's time to talk about the future of the MCU (again) and what we should expect in the aftermath of the madness that was this movie.
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The idea that Wanda could just go to a Universe where she died but her kids and Vision are still alive is just so obvious it kind of hurts.
Don't forget Pietro.
my personall guess is that she was too corrupted by the darkhold and grief to really think straight and as a result she didnt really think of that and was just hyperocused on wanting her kids back
@@jovicastefanovic6317 the darkhold didnt want her to think of that because.. evil.
also keep in mind wanda didnt just want america chave’s powes just to get her kids,she wanted them so she can travel the multiverse so she can always keep them safe for in case an example being a instance where billy and tommy get an incureable illness,so not as much would have changed than you think
Probably because she only have dreams of the universe where she is alive. And since she’s got taken control of the darkhold, it corrupted her mind to not dream about that universe. So she’s hyper-focus on the dream universe rather thinking of other possibilities
Just remember there’s a universe where all of MatPat’s MCU theories are true
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probably the same one where he constantly gets DMCA'D
That implies that all of his theories come to him in a dream. Which is a hilarious thought.
@@michaelaguilera6946 Then theres one where he doesn't get DMCA'D and correct theories
Wanda was seeing those universes thanks to the corrupting power of the Darkhold. Pretty simple explanation why she didn't witness any universes where her children were dead but she was alive, the Darkhold didn't want her to see a fairy tale solution the Darkhold wanted to lead Wanda on a path of as much chaotic destruction as possible.
There also just might not be any of those universes out there. Count even numbers to infinity 2,4,6 and tell me when you count and odd number. Maybe she didn't see a fairy tale solution because even in the infinite universes there was no fairy tale solution. There was no odd number no matter how far she counted that even number chain to infinity.
@@Maximise07 Exactly. There's so many unknowns that calling Wanda's path a plothole is dumb.
They also didn’t play into it at all in the movie. They could have kept her as a villan/hero by using the controlling powers of the darkhold. But they didn’t. It was mentioned in maybe two lines in the movie and it didn’t affect Dr.Strange (if you ignore the theory that sinister strange replaced Dr strange in the post credits) at all especially in comparison to how it affected Wanda (despite her trauma from family and vision dying)
I still think that ''Because Darkhold'' shouldn't be the reason why this movie played out as it did.
Uh, did everybody including Matt Pat forget that Wanda's children's existence relies on the spell that she was maintaining? Not that I'm saying she couldn't find a way to keep them around even if she died in the infinity of the multiverse, but everybody's talking like they haven't even watched Wandavision...
I think the movie hosting Wanda as the villain just dulled the film altogether. Though i couldn't get hype abt most of her screentime, the film makers REALLY hit a home run with America Chavez showing Wanda how her kids are terrified of who she's become. That was the most human emotionally realistic scene i've seen in the movie.
Glad to see someone who likes the scene like I do
as if spiderverse didnt have that kind of scene
@Mighty to the Max uh probably because kingpin's family get to see him being the bad guy again? seriously? idk i just repeated what you said cuz idk who is fisk
really? Every time her "kids" were on screen i was cringing so hard, in my opinion they're terrible actors
@Mighty to the Max yes, i didnt know his real name. did the daredevil movie said it before?
It's honestly kind of hilarious how the movie sorta implies that Doctor Strange is maidenless in every timeline.
He's not. He's not with Christine in any universe. Because he's meant to be with Clea.
Just had to find a way to work in the trendy new word to show how cool you are.
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Fair criticism.
@@JohnnyKronaz I’ve never heard “maidenless” but it’s one of those things you know exists. Fair enough though
@@homerocketscience1874 it's a reference to elden ring
I think everyone keeps missing that Wanda straight removed Captain Marvel's powers right before she crushed her. You can see her glow disappearing, her face looking in horror as she is slammed to the ground then the pillar crushing her
Thank you! 616 Wanda visibly flinched/struggled a bit as she took Marvel's power.
Oh man I missed that. Was kinda hoping that she survived, but if she took her power, then that's a big nope. Does that mean 838 Wanda has Captain Marvel's power now?
@@rlee1185 I don't think so, it's not like Wanda is Rogue, who can absorb others. Since her power is altering reality, I can only imagine she altered Captain Marvel's body in order to seal her abilities.
@@ichigoeater she absorbed Agatha's, though, and Wanda and Marvel are both rooted in infinity stones powers.
@@rlee1185 wandas powers aren’t rooted in the darkhold, they were awoken when she was being experimented on in captivity. I think she was able to steal Agatha’s power as they’re both based in witchcraft
Honestly with the whole Wanda suicide by falling rocks thing, I found it quite enjoyable to see her method of suicide be 'pick up and drop massive object', felt like a subtle nod to Ultron's plan to, well, 'pick up and drop massive object'
shes not really dead but okay
5:41 well if you noticed in the movie, right before the statue falls on her, her helmet deactivates, and her suit is tied to and powered by her powers. which means the reason she was able to die to a simple statue falling on her was because wanda had absorbed her powers right before hand, during the explosion.
I just saw doctor strange MoM last night and the whole time I was thinking:
All they need is to get Clint Barton to show up and give Wanda a pep talk and that would have solved everything.
Theres octopus monsters and witchraft possesion, and i STILL have a bow and arrow. non of this makes sense.
@@NathanielKempson no that eyeball was the biggest bullseye i've ever seen he wouldve helped with that
@@wingnightbackwards finally someone said it
@@wingnightbackwards *Octopus' eye
What's doctor strangest mom like? Is she cool?
I have seen absolutely no one talk about how this movie explicitly states that EVERY dream that everyone has is a vision of an alternate universe. I don’t specifically remember any dream sequences in the MCU, but I would LOVE to see a video on the implications of this crazy claim!
The only notable reference to a dream was Tony in Infinity War, talking about the fact that he dreamt him and Pepper had a baby boy called Morgan. Obviously it was there to foreshadow a storyline in Endgame, but that kind of confirms there’s an Iron Man in the multiverse in a relationship with Pepper, with a son
Age of ultron tony and the avengers dying to thanos
That means in many universes I die wall I’m 10
@@spicypackets1549 I think it was supposed to be son, but recent MsheU changes changed it so they can produce iron heart
@@animesloversunited9069 iron heart is not going to be Morgan and she was never Morgan in the comics. This is a completely new character.
3:03 Multiverse of Madness is also a reference to one of wanda's most apocalyptic storylines; in the comics, wanda at one point has a _complete mental breakdown_ after the events of Wandavision, and as her mind frays, _so does the rest of reality,_ shattering apart like the hexes of glass in the Wandavision outro; even using that "Shattering hexes" design, which the outro of wandavision is a nod to, so as wanda goes mad, the multiverse is destroyed, multiverse of madness, in wanda's red? it made too much sense to me, even before the Wandavision T.V. show
Chaos Magic is Chthon's magic, not Wanda's.
@@Relugus in the comics.
Your theory at the 11:03 mark was proven true in the second episode of the show of Ms. Marvel. Listen for a line of dialogue Bruno tells her mid-episode.
Wanda wasn’t satisfied with just one universe with her kids because she wanted there to be literally no possibility of losing them. She said if they caught an illness that universe couldn’t cure, there’s another universe out there that has it. Hence why she wanted America’s power, a guarantee that she could never lose her loved ones again because for any problem, at least one universe has a solution
And if they died she would go to another universe so she can just get a different version of them so she won’t ever be alone again
I’ve never quite understood that though. With her reality warping powers, couldn’t she just remove the disease or make it like they couldn’t even have that disease in the first place. Or am i wrong?
Wanda Snaps Professor X Charles Xavier Neck
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@@boi-4216 it seems that way in the comics, but so far in the MCU, it appears that she still needs a base of sorts. take westview for example. everyone in that town had their own bodies and identities before getting dragged into her pocket reality. (clothes were also recycled). the only truly made up persons were vision and her sons, which she didn’t do consciously. so, my interpretation is that those cures should already exist (in her present reality) for her to be able to manipulate them for her use.
Wanda absorbed Captain Marvel's powers and removed her suit, so she was just a regular person when the stone statue thing fell on her and killed her. So nothing to doubt.
except you know when it takes an hour to take america's powers, love inconsistency!
She is drainde by scarlet witch
@@holyflanders924 that's acting as if both powers are equal
I'm just glad she's dead. Somehow every captain marvel they make, is an annoying "being a woman is a super power too" character.
@@knie1172 why didnt he take prof x power though? its just inconsistent lmao
For those that are watching this AFTER Ms Marvel started, her powers in the new tv series is based on Noor (otherwise known as light energy) that comes from the dimension of Noor and also exists inside of the creatures from it, including their descendants if they have any outside the dimension.
That is the case with this iteration of Kamala Khan whose great-grandmother is a being known as a Clandestine/Djinn from the Noor dimension. Clandestines native to Noor can NOT use their full range of abilities outside of Noor without 2 bracelets (at least that's the current assumption based on what happened so far) to trigger their powers while hybrids, beings descended from a Noor ancestor, can access most, if not all, of the powers of Clandestines with one bracelet.
It's no _great_ skill really, but I _usually_ tend to have a pretty good ear when it comes to celebrity voices. However, it _is_ certainly possible that I'm just not as good as I used to be or I'm just losing my touch, but I simply could _not_ help but imagine how much that Movie Bob guy sounds to Jon Favreau! At around 2:55, try closing your eyes and listen to Bob's voice as he talks about his revelation regarding Wanda actually becoming the villain, and tell me that he doesn't sound just like Favreau! 😌
About the whole "captain marvel dying under a rock" thing, upon rewatching the movie, I think they meant for Scarlet Witch to have stripped away Maria's powers (there's a big yellowy explosion and Captain Marvel no longer shines, stops flying to fall to the ground before getting crushed). So that's that.
I'd guess she used her mild reality shifting powers to remove Monica's powers just before dropping the statue on her
Actually thats Maria Rambeau, Monica’s mother
That's what I thought happened
Ooo that's why. When I was watching that scene I was like "oh she's good she's very durable so- oh welp she's dead I guess" and I was confused. This answers it. And maybe she also took away that guy's intelligence lmao.
@@aperson2697 nah he was just arrogant. They all assumed they could talk to her or overpower her. That's why they didn't sneak up on her.
The fact that WandaVision left us with a reconstructed Vision who remembers who he was, just wandering around out there somewhere, makes things a bit awkward if this truly is the end of Wanda's arc. But she *is* Wanda and I sure didn't see any body.
Actually Elizabeth Olsen still has a contract with Marvel Studio, so yeah.. sometimes I wish I was just an average moviegoer. Me knowing this information about Elizabeth Olsen's contract pretty much just eliminated all tension of her character truly dying in the movie, because I know she's has a contract left to return for about two more movies. Wanda is still seemingly alive, but the worst case scenario is we are at least going to see some variant of Wanda again in the future
no body was shown for her or wong (& he then showed up later) but the illuminati & other stranges killed during the runtime were all shown dead. wanda is important enough theres no possible way they killed her & didnt show the body or SOMETHING at least
@@bryanmartinez4932 to be fair, i didn't know about this said contract but still felt no intense feelings when wanda "died", we all know she is OP and that she is somewhat of a hero/ antihero, so I am SURE that she is gonna comeback again
I hope she doesnt get another redemption arc she has killed too many.
Kinda like Epstein. Right before death, cameras stop working. Lol Hillary is the true witch villain. 🤣🤣
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wtf mat you predicted right 😂😂
8:48 I actually liked Inhumans. Thought it was a good story. It just didn't get a lot of peeps behind it. Side note: In Wanda Vision we are told specifically that Wanda "... Power will exceed the Sorcerer Supreme." We all assumed that would be Dr. Strange. But in this film the Sorcerer Supreme is Wong!!! Whom Wanda clearly outmatches.
I just watched it bout 2 weeks ago was good to say plus it was low budget I know dum well 🤣🤣🤣🤣🍿🗣️ nobody had a mask on 🧐
Darkhold is written by Chthon, who views Wanda as nothing more than a puppet, an extension of his supremacy.
Clarifying that when Maria's Captain Marvel dies, it's because Wanda quite literally sucks the powers of the Tesseract out of her. Wanda's power being activated by the mind stone likely enabled her to take away the powers granted by the space stone.
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Yeah I feel like I’ve seen this pop up other places too where they think that Captain Marvel is just killed by rocks. Maybe everyone missed the power sucking scene or something
@@brianlopez253 I mean isn't the a stone just a rock?
@@cursed-cat9126 A very glowy rock
Actually Wanda did establish she is just so unlucky, that their is no universe where kids just exist without her, she was the only one who had to witness the misery.
But that's literally not how that works. In an infinite universe, even if there is just one universe, every single possibility exists
@@unstoppablemadness7621 Whoaaaaaaa,
What does that mean?
@@unstoppablemadness7621 but infinite includes 3 and 4 and so on. Yes 1 and 2 has infinite numbers between them but infinite still goes all the way up and down from 1 and 2
@@verbinatorkhanna2635 its not its just some one trying to look smart. Think about it. What does the amount of numbers between 1 and 2 have to do with this? sure that is an infinite amout of numbers there but infinite can be more infinite i think.
@@Wyatt125 an infinite number can exist within another infinite number, due to the nature of infinity
Your stock picture of Century Theaters @1:30 is literally the theater we go to. It always get a kick out of seeing it pop up in your videos
A big misconception about infinity:
Multiverses and infinite universes doesn't mean there is a universe where some event HAS to have happened aka there MUST be a universe where steven does get the girl right? or there must be a universe where Wanda could slot in perfectly without power stealing, where all diseases have been cured, and no risk of harm could ever come to her family right?
Nope. That's not what infinity means.
I want you to count even numbers. 2,4,6,8. Keep counting to infinity. Tell me when you count an odd number. Tell me when you count a letter. Is the string of numbers you are counting any less infinite because they don't include these possibilities? No, you're still counting an infinite string. But within that infinity you will NEVER count an odd number.
Just because things are infinite doesn't mean they include everything.
TLDR:
There are an infinite number between 1&2 none of them are 3
For the cape, I think they patched it using 838 Strange's cape... Though this brings up the question of if that cape is technically dead or not
That’s what I had thought, they just cut a bit of the old cape and patched the hole with it.
How do we no she fixed it using 838 she could have fixed it using any piece of fabric
@@MrKbassett17 the cloak is sentient, that's like using a piece of paper to seal a wound
@@prodigydigit I mean band AIDS are technically pieces of paper
@@prodigydigit true but unstable molecules are like stem cells they adapt to what they're being used for so it's more like using super futuristic skin to replace a small burn
Wanda wasn’t killed by the falling rocks, she destroyed the runes and as we saw with the first woman trying to destroy the book it takes that persons life with them.
Oh thx didnt know that!
Nooo she can’t be dead 😭
@@KoreyBumble I hope she is
@@KoreyBumble she is alive in a multiverse
@@KoreyBumble They are going to bring her back in some way since they seem to be undoing wandas character every movie
Do.... People not realize that America is in fact a name that originates in Europe and has many variations throughout the romance languages?
Also, is it not possible that MCU America Chavez found a Universe with the USA was like "neet a country that shares my name" and used it's flag?
Also... America is a continent not just USA.
The continent that was known as "the new world" and the character comes from a new universe that was unknown by everyone until now.
The blue part of his cloak is the part of other Dr Strange cloak symbolising how he has some of his personality in his shown when he also uses the darkhold as he sees it as the only option same as other Dr Strange
I actually don’t think Wanda’s dead. With such a popularity character they would’ve lingered on her death more instead of cutting away so quickly
No one is dead until you see the body, and even then you can't be sure
completely agree. Yeah, she collapsed the temple, but she's totally powerful enough to stay alive inside that collapse and then go live her life somewhere else.
Olsen's contract has ended, but she's extended it before, so we could very well still see her return. I think a large part of that decision will be how successful other characters are and whether they feel they need a character with her appeal to keep people interested.
honestly i hope they don’t bring her back aside from past flashback type stuff. I really dislike when characters get brought back from death just cause they’re popular. Wanda’s death was great, and I really enjoyed that being the end of her arch.
I'm getting the feeling Wanda from Earth 838 will be the replacement for the Scarlet Witch
She’s signed up for 5 more movies....she’s literally not dead
While there is something to the notion that she could find a universe where she died and her kids survived and slot herself into the missing part of their lives, the universes she can connect to are ones where a version of her exists. She's connecting to their waking lives via her dreams (and presumably the reverse is occurring as well, them seeing parts of her life in dreams). No living Wanda, no dream connection, no beacon to home in on. So those universes may exist, but she'd have no way to navigate to them. I suppose she could find a way to tap into someone else's dreams who would have reason to interact with her children and navigate to that universe by following that person's dreams, but Vision seems the most likely person . . . Do Androids Dream of Improbable Children?
In the comics, Wanda is a Nexus Being, meaning a version of her exists in every universe. So she wouldn't be able to find one where she died before another nexus being was in place to replace her, because the structure of the universe would not allow that to occur. She's a fixed fact. Every universe has a Nexus Being, each acts as a node anchoring and focusing that universe's mystical energy, and two Nexus Beings can't exist in the same universe. So it's only Wanda who can't go to another universe except by projecting, because there can't be two Nexus Beings in the same universe at the same time. That rule obviously doesn't apply to Peter Parkers 1, 2, and 3, for instance.
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This guy seems to have missed the point of a few things.
_oOHHHhhhhh_ that makes sense
A lot of people in this comment section seem to be under the impression that she can travel the multiverse like America.
except, how in the ending fight, doctor strange could dream walk a non-living version of himself.
After 2 months I am surprised that " secret wars " is announced. Hail MatPat
With the alternate Captain Marvel, Wanda drained her power from her, you can actually see the explosion turn yellow instead of red to show it.
Actually, they showed this in the movie. She just took pieces of 838 Steven’s cloak of Levitation, which was blue, and stitched then into 616 Strange’s cloak. We actually see it in the scene where 838 Steven is vaporized, being held in the arms of Mr. Fantastic.
Wow good eye I totally forgot about that
I mean matpat literally said that was also a possiblity what did you comment without watching the whole video watch it again and you'll see he says the same exact thing
@@theotherguy4456 he said it was a possibility but it is a fact, which I think was the point of the comment. They weren't slandering matpat no need to make a big deal out of it
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Finally it’s here.
Having something that doesn't belong in the main MCU, wouldn't the cloak eventually cause an incursion?
While Strange doesn't have much of an arc it does feel like he has an arc which is focused on him realizing that he doesn't always have to and can't always be the "one holding the scalpel" all the time. As evidenced at the end with him not taking America's powers but rather trusting her to use them on her own
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Lmao strange has a huge arc here many people overlooked at it tbh.
@@jbonceu2457 to be fair, it doesn't feel like a massive arc
@@jbonceu2457 lame arc
Yanno, I'd like to see a movie where Strange ISN'T relegated to the role of a glorified babysitter. 🤦🙄
6:57 MatPat: "Inhumans wasn't just Marvel Studios first and only undeniably failure..."
The Incredible Hulk:
"HULK SAD!!"
Any thoughts on that third eye?
Given it's apparently the "dire price" for using the Darkhold it doesn't seem very... costly.
It enables Chthon to see everything Strange does.
Just to point something out, Unstable Molecules are not inherently blue. It's suggested at some points across the tens of thousands of marvel comics that most super suits are made of Unstable Molecules.
its all about that BAXTER BRANDING. very important.
Honeyyyyy where’s my super suuuuit?
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@@nigarth I'm the greatest good you'll ever have
I feel like people forget that part of the reason Wanda didn’t do the obvious go to a universe where she had died was because of the Darkhold. Like Strange says just do that in the movie or have America take you to such a universe and she states that she wants the powers so that she can make sure nothing bad happens to her kids. She is so concerned about losing her kids she isn’t willing to take the chance that they die again
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She is literally an OP being who can re-write reality. Wtf would happen to her kids
My guy first there's ms marvel next thing u know there's Mr dc and then there's macdonalds
Ngl these theories really help with boredom thx for always being there through the hard times matpat
1:26 that's the century theatre in beaverton cedar hills! Wild to see it used as a setpiece in this video, I practically grew up there
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When Secret Wars does end up happening, it’ll probably surpass Endgame and Infinity War. I’m pretty excited when The Beyonders are finally introduced to the MCU.
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Strange, "Dormamu I'm gonna date your hot niece."
Dormamu, "That wasn't part of the Bargin."
Strange, "I've altered the Bargin. Pray I don't alter it further."
Me: *reads this at almost 1:00am in the morning*
Also me: *struggles to not burst out laughing cuz my family is sleeping*
Strange, "Dormamu I'm gonna date your hot niece."
Dormamu, "Hot? Don't tell her but the rest of her family thinks she's uglier than the south end of a north-facing klapta-horse. You're not much better. Well, it takes all kinds in the multiverse."
@@Alverant lol. Darth Vader's thoughts exactly.
Wanda: "I destroyed your book."
Chthon: "Doesn't matter. I'll just use you and your variants instead."
I don't think Wanda is actually dead. If you look as the rocks fall on her, there is a red flash. Knowing how powerful she is, she probably teleported away.
If MatPat had access to multiversal travel, his first stop would be the universe where his theories for Star Wars are 100% accurate.
Wait does MatPat really think Wanda died when she took down that temple? As far as I learned in the MCU, if you don’t see their corpse, dusting, or turn into Joe Biden, they’re not dead.
I love how everyone is starting to say Cap turned into Joe Biden now 😂
@@ohnobro1424 that’s going to be a Mandela Effect in like ten years or something lmfao
@@Dragon1.0 not even 10 😂
Didn't she also sign on to do 9 more movies???
@@radioactive.mermaid no but she signed a 7 year contract
You didn't address Strange's actual character arc/development: Letting go of control; thinking he's the only one that can save/solve the issue. It should be a major point in the theory.
I honestly enjoyed his arc tho I wish they addressed why he has that need for control, the ancient one, she told him the sorcerer Supreme is the protector of earth and he is supposed to be the best of them so I would've liked to see them address that more
@@comicshogun4105 Some people are just born with that desire. He had that need for control back when he was a surgeon.
absolutely worst character ever and that furthered it
@@theetaurus1832 Okay? Why are you here?
@@Powerman293 Starting from the death of his sister probably
No one:
MatPat in the first 3rd of the video:
OMG BLUE FABRIC!!!
I have a theory that matpat is unknowingly the writer of 90% of the scripts of the movies/shows that he covers, he gives them all they're plot points before they even write their stories
I actually had the same thought watching the movie: Why didnt Strange just keep teleporting away with America whenever Wanda got close?
Edit: I understand plot is the reason, but it was literally a question that just came into my mind when the situation happened. I liked the way the movie played out. Please chill.
Because plot
I guess it does not need to be 100% logical.
Because logic
Probably because he didn’t want to end up in the paint dimension again. That and her inability to control her powers making it a less appealing option.
@@Flaris I think he means the basic portals that Strange uses
Wanda definitely did not die in the movie. You can actually see for a few frames where she put up a red energy shield to deflect the falling rocks
I think she was teleported away but it’s very clear she didn’t do it willingly. She wanted to die which is why she let go of the rocks instead of holding them up with her powers and tossing them aside like she very easily could have
@@frenchfries2998 whether by her own will or not this whole movie was table setting for ohase 4 M.C.U. and it shows. They clearly are setting up Wanda to be more like she is in the comics. And considering she's a nexus being there is only 2 options. She rules the universe or destroys it.
if she died she would've had a more dramatic scene
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No its the explosion because that was never actually wanda it was just a doom bot to take her place while shes in lativia with doom
4:25 So did not expect you to pull up Rock as Ben😂
One of the many things that made Into the Spider-verse great for me was that it was distinctly NOT a part of any cinematic universe. It was animated. Uniquely animated in a style we've never seen before. It brought out a bunch of interesting Spider-people, some serving more to the story than others but always serving the story at present. Yes, it played with the multiverses but it kept it closed to Spider-people (and Kingpin's family who only serve their function in the existing plot). Anyone can pick this up and appreciate all the characters WITHOUT having to build up the Cinematic Universe baggage.
I've been excited, yet skeptical, about the sequels to this film because a small part of me wants this to be a self-contained Miles Morales story. So if Marvel dares to integrate this world into the MCU, I will set fire to the remaining hairs on Kevin Feige's head.
If you watch the scene where Wanda fights Captain Marvel, Maria's energy gets slowly overwhelmed by Wanda's red energy and as with Agatha in WandaVision absorbing her covens blue magic, and with Wanda tries to do with Chavez throughout the movie, it means Wanda is syphoning away captain marvel's energy and thus Captain Marvel was human again when she got crushed
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And how did captain marvel survive the explosion and being thrown at the statue at top speed since Wanda took her powers and turn her into a regular person
@@aerithroses2683 she seemed incapacitated to me which explains why she just laid there while Wanda moved the statue
@@daltonmortimer7735 well no she should be dead after the explosion and being thrown at top speed at the same hard statue since she doesn’t have her powers thus becoming a regular person and she didn’t just lay there either, she was moving and shield her self from the statue falling on her
Re: Wanda finding a universe where she is dead but her kids are alive, I feel like this was addressed in the film. I believe she said she wanted to protect ALL of her kids in ALL the universes, hence her plan. And EVEN IF she just wanted to execute on the “dead Wanda” plan we are proposing, she’d still need America’s power. Add in the corruption of the dark Hold, I’m inclined to be satisfied with the movie’s approach.
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She never said about protecting all her kids in all the universe, she something about her kids being sick and cure in a another universe even tho she has the power to manipulate reality it self and can create cure for them any ways, the real question is why is her happiness she want is where vision or her brother doesn’t exist?
@@aerithroses2683 yes. You’re right. That’s the moment I was thinking of. I guess i took that as her wanting to protect them all.
Re: Vision and her brother, I agree. My only response is that they simply aren’t as important as her kids. I’m not a mom, so can’t comment.
One last thing to think about: she conjured her kids in the 616 reality. But they seem to be real in the other dimensions. Also, she willingly let them go at the end of Wandavision. So why the about face in the movie? Again, maybe you could point to the Dark Hold and it’s corruption.
@@Otis151 no her brother and especially Vision are very important to her, vision is reason her kid was create in the first place, the darkhold is a cop out for all her stupidity and her cruel nature
@@aerithroses2683 again, I agree with you. Really, I think they kept out Vision and Peitro to keep the plot plot tight, costs down, and just emphasize that she is a mother first.
No way! The Century Theater photo you had in the beginning is the very one I work at in Portland! Thats pretty cool
Was scared when I didn’t hear Matt Patty’s voice at first 😂
I figured his cloak was repaired with a piece of their Stranges, they do have different wardrobe choices so it just made sense to me.
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Yeah, we literally see in the movie that illuminati strange had a blue cloak
That’s literally exactly what happened lmao
I hope they still do something like House of M eventually
They could readily have that be where Wanda went with that big burst of red energy as the building came down.
They won't she already mentally snapped no point in making another movie where she does the same thing lol
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Marvel just confirmed Secret Wars. Mat Patt you son a beach, you did it again
I actually looked up on the woman from the end credits scene because even my dad the big Marvel fan didn’t know who she was so we were surprised to find out that she’s Strange’s eventual wife but hey nice casting choice for her.
Also the fact that Hawkeye has him passing the mental of his hero name to Kate Bishop who was part of the og Young Avengers pretty much confirms that group is coming. They wouldn’t do that and bring her in if they weren’t.
"We must protect America" what a line!
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I feel bad for you skillful pro, I feel really bad for you.
Why tho
Americus Vespucius was the name of a merchant, explorer and cartographer. He is credited with demonstrating to Europeans that the New World was not Asia but a previously unknown fourth continent. It’s a good name for a reality hopping hero.
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Also America Ferrera
5:53 i think that the tip of a mountain weighs just a bit more that pieces of the ceiling of a building
If Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness is an acronym for MoM, then I wonder what Agatha Coven of Chaos is…
CoC
I have to disagree with the point that Strange doesn't really have a character arc. He does learn that human lives have value and that he needs to let go of Chrstine. Instead of taking America's power like he normally would have in previous appearances, he saved her and let her keep the power and helped her learn to control it. He also gives Wong respect as Sorcerer Supreme and learns his place in the hierarchy.
He did not learn to let go of christine💀
He fuckin fell in love with another version of her from a different universe and then stated that he love's every version of christine from every multiverse
That is the furthest thing from closure💀💀
@@balamugunthbalaji8110 I think he knew it was true that all Dr.Strange across the multiverse loved her. His closure was him accepting that and putting it behind him
@@bhmayhem Except he didnt get closure, if Christie was to join him in the current dimension that we know, you ABSOLUTELY know they would get back together, only reason why he wasnt with her is because she decided to stay with her old dimension
@@holyflanders924 uhmm, because it's not her universe, she has her own life to her own universe she have to deal with. Meanwhile Strange had atleast accepted it at the end with her own Christine in her own universe. It was clear by the end of the film she loved her but he's ready to move on. It's the same arc with wanda, being content with what you have and what makes you happy, etc.
@@balamugunthbalaji8110 umm you definitely don't know what closure is. Erasing all your feelings for something isn't closure. It's ACCEPTING the outcome and moving on despite those feelings. For example, getting closure from the death of a family member/loved one doesn't mean you feel nothing when thinking about them; you're still going to be sad about it, but you're still moving on with your life.
"the spell is extremely temporary, but the fast damage someone can do in the very short time while dream walking, although very brief and temporary, could be catastrophic"
the brevity of the spell never came up again in the entire movie
That line is only there to explain why she doesn't just dreamwalk into another universe forever to be with her kids.
@@destinyvoltaire well that makes sense but i'm still salty lol
That's What I thought ! There must be a Universe Dimension where Wanda died and left her children behind so she could just go there if she's already determined to drop her world - Sheesh the best solutions are often so simple and conflict free .
i went from LOVING wanda to not being able to stand her character. no i will not elaborate. i just see her character and i’m filled with an eldrich-horror level of pure, unbridled rage.
You aren't alone on that one
her personalty now is just sad widow lady
Well, that's farther on the dislike spectrum than me, but I can see where you're coming from.
My biggest problem with her (& this is the writing) is that I'm suppose to sympathize with her & forgive her for everything she's done. No, especially when she's unrepentant. She's a villian, and nearly as powerful as Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. Trying to make me feel sorry for her weakens her as a character. Exploiting her evil to make me hate her would make her a much better character.
We watched M.O.M. On mother’s day with my mom who’s name is America after her mother birthed her on a ship from Cuba to America. So honestly, she was the best coincidence to happen on that day 👍🏼
That’s pretty lit. Day to remember 😆
Found the latest multiverse jump
Of course falling rocks are extremely dangerous. After all it took the full avenger team in the second movie to stop a giant falling rock from destroying the world.
Not just the avengers but the remains of S.H..I.E.L.D too
Chthon is literally sitting in that mountain and is furious at Wanda for destroying his magnum opus. Chthon, by trapping Wanda in his dimension, can turn all of the Wanda variants into Darkhold substitutes as Chthon controls chaos magic.
Magic-infused falling rocks. I mean we all know there are more easily explained holes in your theories. The rock death protest is just the hole that bothered me enough to post about it.
"Stretchy powers never look good in live action"
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Film theory is always awesome! I also enjoyed Stephanie’s inspiring talk on Game Theory 😄
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Finally it’s here.
5:33 - Didn't Wanda remove Captain Marvel's powers? When she fell to the ground, those rocks only finished her off, but didn't do "all the work".
no, she incapacitated her long enough for her not to reactivate her powers, sorta like a All powerful wizard with a weak body. Her energy is what protects her, she doesnt have a durable body, at least not in this movie
Wanda took her power away
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The mid credit scene wasnt clea or whoever you were talking about it was blink from new mutants. The girl that could open portals with a sword that she makes from nothing like she did in the credit scene.
You're wrong, it's literally just Clea.
@@MG_Spy its definitly grown up version of the girl from new mutants. Is clea her real name? Its been forever since that movie came out
@@kevinc2970 Clea is Dormammu's niece and the Sorcerer Supreme of the Dark Dimension. She's one of Strange's love interests in the comics. It's most certainly not Blink.
@@MG_Spy then how come she showcased the same power of conjuring a blade and cutting open a portal?
@@kevinc2970 Because she's the Sorcerer Supreme of the Dark Dimension, she used her magic to create a portal to that realm. Doctor Strange opens portals as well but just uses a different method. Idk why you're set on her being Blink, the subtitles even refer to her as Clea.
I’d personally say that Miles Morales was a bigger deal than Ms. Marvel, mainly because of Spiderverse.
Yeah I agree.
1000% agree
But spiderverse will take time to really form. Kamala is appearing now because of The Marvels next year.
There's only one thing I didn't like about the movie and it's how fast the Illuminati went down. I mean I get that Wanda is really powerful, but come on. They literally killed Thanos before he even left Titan, they should have been able to last longer than 5 seconds
That's because the illuminati used a cheat with the book of vishanti. Too bad it was locked away in the space between universe. Which also begs the question... Is there only one book of vishanti considering it lies between the space of universes? Darkhold seems to exist in every universes, I wonder...
They didn't *really* beat Thanos though. Not in the same way the Avengers did.
They used the book of Vishanti (spelling?) which iirc is just the auto-win book. To put them on the same level as the Avengers ignores the fact that they didn't beat Thanos through their strength, but because they had cheatcodes.
So yeah not as strong + I think this Wanda alone could have killed Thanos. Like Darkhold-Studied Scarlet Witch
@@pineqa2209 I thought it was that strange used the darkhold to beat thanos, which worked, but it corrupted strange, which is when the Illuminati killed strange.
@@devinmurphy6575 Strange used the DarkHold to dreamwalk and find a solution which allowed him to find the Book of Vishanti which the illuminati used together to defeat thanos. The use of the DarkHold initially is what cause strange to be too corrupted and had to be killed.
Reminder, that Strange also caused an incursion while becoming corrupted.
4:35 Also, wasn't the MCU designated as Earth-199999? Earth-616 is explicitly the universe of the main *comics* so making that kind of mistake seems like a pretty major oversight.
0:54 to be fair, doctor strange did bury an alternate verson of himself in the start of the movie. and said hes done it before, so maybe he does.
Theory idea: since there is nonstop carbon emission in the movie Cars, how long would it take for earth to become uninhabitable?
Trick question since no "real" supposedly "scientific" measurements and predictions have panned out even to a fraction of the alarmist ramblings of self-righteous hypocrites. You may as well make a theory on the environmental impact of Chaos Magic or Chakra or Reiatsu or Chi or Materia.
It's a pyramid scam, which is why they never put their money where their mouth is, or cut their own emissions despite putting off more than a hundred households combined. Someone with a private jet doesn't get to lecture anyone else on emissions.
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Everyone in their world is a machine so lol, if they're living beings are they emitting carbon? XD lots of assumption not worth the time plus it's a animated world, different rules as by creator
@@abinashdewraja2911 Of course yes. It was shown that cars drink fuel, so well.
I think that earth is in some way already inhabitable, as if u follow the pixar theory i think u might find ur answer. Though i agree that matpat should do a pixar theory video.
I really hope Secret Wars happens, we deserve a good live action Dr. Doom adaptation.
One where's actually from Latveria. Marvel's doing a better job with casting nowadays so I hope they don't just say he's vaguely European.
Kevin just announced Avengers secret wars but it isn't until phase 6.
4 comptes à rebours : 1. 1, 1443 jours (29/07/22) jusqu'à ce que la 3ème guerre mondiale arrive au Heartland avec Buckeyes. 2. 743 jours à compter de la date ci-dessus, "L'Antéchrist" sera révélé à tous, il nous aidera à nous sauver de nos ennemis pendant la 3e guerre mondiale, puis à sauver les États-Unis, mais ensuite à tout reprendre. Pire qu'une chanson d'Abba des années 1970. 3. Pour les dirigeants ou ceux qui sont au sommet de la religion, de la politique, de la culture pop, de la culture, de la médecine, etc. Ils tomberont et seront jugés par Dieu pour l'avoir aidé ("L'Antéchrist" à monter. Ce compte à rebours est de 1 500 ou moins. Ces figures divines ont été considérées comme des diplomates anonymes lors de négociations internationales. Ils sont une trinité divine d'Abraham, Issacc, Jacob, et Joseph. Je suppose que nous ne sommes plus des "hykos" ou des esclaves. C'est la partie 1. C'est 1 500 ou moins, il sera raccourci pour Israël, son peuple et pour les enfants adoptifs du Messie. 4. C'est la partie 2 , à la fin, l'eau éternelle de la vie, l'agneau, tout-puissant, le Saint-Esprit reviendra à la fin de 1 500 ou moins.Ceci sera raccourci pour les élus, les élus, les croyants d'Israël, le Messie , et ses enfants, après qu'il soit devenu un agneau pour nous à la Pâque.
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I would love to see a retrospective on this
The granite only killed Captain Marvel due to The Scarlet Witch basically ripping the power out of her first, hence the dismantling of her mask.
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The Captain Marvel suit is the same as the other Kree Suits we saw on her solo film,their headgear functions the same,it doesn’t have to do with her powers.When Wanda blasted Captain Marvel away she still had her powers and there was no sign of her losing them once she hit the ground.
I feel like she got knocked out,not killed.
@@Oraculo791 nope you literally see her go un binary when wanda took her to the ground she defintitely took her powers
@@Oraculo791 pretty sure the mask thing wasn't meant to be taken literally but it's just there to reinforce/visualise that her powers were taken
I remember my first thought being “where’s vision?” Weird that he’s only mentioned once
The secret wars reminds me of the 90’s Spider man cartoon. Those last few episodes of the secret war was amazing!
When Captain marvel died, if you slow it down or have sharp eyes, you can see scarlet witch absorb her power so she isn't as strong, hence she dies from rocks
I wonder what happened to the 838 Strange's cloak. I doubt they amputated part of a sentient living cloak, just to patch up another Doctor Strange's cloak. So yea, it was probably some of the Fantastic Four fabric.
I'm fully expecting a Carol or Monica cameo in Ms Marvel to lead into the movie, but as someone who watched all of AoS I'd actually be more hyped for Daisy to turn up. And with Netflix characters now starting to appear, feels like it's least on the table.
Knowing Marvel, it will probably be in a post credit scene.
@@gigikju9934 y’all were both right lol
I love matpat confronting them and never hesitated to Roast them, he would be great in the MCU. He'll be our Greater Daredevil
I love your videos matpat but the Kree are actually from Guardians of the Galaxy the movie before they were from Captain Marvel
America is also just a name some people have, similar to the name Asia. Also I’m like 90% sure that America’s jacket is supposed to be the Puerto Rican flag 🇵🇷
Agreed the name América is common in Latin America
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It’s almost like America refers to an entire Continent, and was named after a person named America.
I agree it sounded weird to me, but it’s not like it’s a completely unheard of name (it is in our own universe of reality) and it’s not specifically about the USA even then.
One if the pins in America's jacket is a pride flag
I have met several people named America and my first name is Asia even though I am American lol.
Such a disservice that the Agents of Shield show will never connect to the MCU. It could be a strange show at times, but it sucks that great movie plot points, or even just secondary characters, that could be good at the movies won’t ever be there.
The show was bad😐
I'm really hoping that maybe with some multiverse shenanigans or something, we'll get a version of the universe where the events of that show happened, it's too good to just be a background non-canon "this could have been happening" situation
the show is probably MCu's best and they know it. Most likely it'll play into the Secret Invasion show
4:41 hi matpat, when i watched this movie i thought that the blue patch was a patch of 838 strange's cloak. just putting my theory in
FINALLY!!! Someone is talking abt Clea, I've been waiting for her appearance since the release of the first Dr. Strange 🥳🥳
One thing that keeps bugging me is how other-dimensional beings in these movies keep calling the MCU Dimension 616 when that's the mainline comics' universe. The designation for the MCU is 199999. I could forgive Mysterio because he was making it up, but 838 Christine should have known.
Yeah they just use 616 because that's what casual fans will understand lol
I think initially they called it 1999 because they considered the MCU as a single separate universe in the Marvel Multiverse. However, now that Marvel Cinema has a multiverse of it's own they're using this to essentially show that the Marvel Cinematic Multiverse is entirely separate from the Marvel Comics Multivere, essentially a multiverse no. 2
Also I really doubt Holland' Peter Parker would make an appearance in the Spiderverse animated movies multiverse seeing as they already had a Earth 616's Peter in the first film, for it to work they'll have to either retcon their own lore or make the Holland variant come from Earth 199999.
@@antonyhobet Yeah that's what I guessed. I mean, I guess I could at first assume that perhaps there's some huge implications with the fact that what's universe 1999~ (or whatever the MCU's designated as) is being called 616, but yeah, I'd rather believe that Marvel would prefer to just think of the MCU as its own continuum of multiverses, especially since by this point a lot of what's canon in the MCU would basically overlap and overwrite a lot of what's been canon in the standard comic multiverse (or rather, the closest rebooted multiverse to the MCU) if it were supposed to be all part of the same multiverse whatever.
@@chrispilcher2024 Yeah definitely. That is an interesting thought, since Holland's Parker would definitely have to be labelled '616' if M.O.M's main character Dr. Strange was. That's actually a curious thought, because I genuinely wonder what would happen then. But for me, the more-likely scenario is that Holland's Parker never appears at all or that they find a way to avoid the whole mess of having two 616's or an undefined (or rather; previously-overwritten in Dr. Strange M.O.M) Earth 1999~ Parker.
Dude, thank you for the bit about how "Sam Raimi" the movie was. Not only did it feel like handing in the same assignment twice, I find it infinitely less cute when all the references and call backs to previous work is done by the person from said previous work. You're not paying homage to someone you admire, you're straight up just saying "hey everyone! Look what I did back in the day"... As much as I liked the movie as a whole, I wasn't as impressed with all that Sam Raimi stuff as everyone else was to say the least.
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this was a great video. I was too conflicted on whether or not I should like the movie, because it was far too cheesy, but this honestly made me appreciate it a bit more. thanks