Film Theory: Why Iron Man is the WORST Avenger! (Marvel)
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Billionaire. Playboy. Philanthropist. CRIMINAL?! Wait, what? Okay maybe it’s obvious that Tony Stark hasn’t had the “best” business practices. But what you may not know is that war profiteering is not the worst of his crimes. In fact, he should probably be facing LIFE in prison! But to see his full sentence, you’ll have to watch this episode.
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The fact that the Billionaire doesn't get arrested is the most realistic part of the movies.
No. The part of him being a hypocrite and leading the faction demanding regulations while he breaks the laws is the most realistic one.
He’s Jeff besos with power armor
@@ezrabraman6437 bold of you to assume Jeff besos doesn’t have secret power armour
@@cocomelon_poppy he probably lost it in the divorce.
@@ezrabraman6437 That would be Lex Luthor but all 3 are rich pricks so your not far off 😂
This episode is literally just MatPat having the same realizations JJJ had about Spiderman
Oh my gosh you're right
HE'S A MENACE!
BRING. ME. IRON-MAAAAN!
All superheros are vigilantes and therefore TECHNICALLY criminals
@@thesamuraispirit7686 arrest them go ahead and try
tony being forced to give money to government because his suit considered as private airplane is pretty funny
I always figured that they just assumed they had no way of containing stark in a prison cell. no matter what punishment they would try to enforce im sure tony would just be like "nah" they would have no way of containing that man so they just left him alone and figured "well at least hes sort of on our side"
Like our government wouldn't Ruby Ridge someone that inconvenient. Good one.
I mean tony has gadgets and technology that dwarfs the US or any government for that madder and on top of that all the powerful weapons the us has come from Stark Industries so tony could just shut down the whole thing or just solo them with his nano suit
@@tno895no, I think their onto something 🤔. The Avengers, tony alone, destroy billions of dollars worth infrastructure, housing, etc world wide BUT the US gov sends in people to rebuild said destruction which makes the construction companies $$$ and in return the gov makes $$$. Let’s be real, we all know war and destruction makes the most money sadly…
@@tno895uh, how would they even get close enough with all of his spy satellites
He would just say: Nuh uh
And he'd go free lol
He's not the only one who breaks a lot of laws. Pretty much every superhero could be walloped on several laws being broken.
Yup. I think The Boys did an OK job kinda incorporating that into the show and how the Supes were able to operate legally as law enforcement/defense contractors.
@@DrDipsh1t I think it is also kinda well handled in watchmen, where basically the heros are kind of criminals, but because of the masks, it is "impossible" to link one person to the activities, as it could always have been another person under the mask at that time, so they can move freely in their masks, but have to be careful while involved in action
@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 agreed. I kinda used the watchmen as a way to describe The Boys to others to help articulate that element of "what happens when they're not being super heroes" aspect. I feel it adds a unique element of immersion and also "humanizes" the "heroes" as not these picture perfect role models, but people with their own problems and a more realistic world.
This is exactly what I was thinking when the video started. Superheroes are pretty much breaking laws by being superheroes. However, in the MCU, some of them are covered in at least some of their acts by being government sanctioned. Captain America, Falcon, and Hawkeye all started that way, though they wound up going rogue in Civil War. War Machine has always operated under government authorization. The Sokovia Accords temporarily brought all those that agreed to it under legal operation, which applied to both Iron Man and Spider-Man.
@@Instabruh.User.. imagine being a bot and STILL being late to reply😂
It’s always been a bit weird that Spider-Man was basically kidnapped to make a child soldier, especially without aunt may knowing.
yeah it didnt seem done for any special reason except having spiderman in the mcu, theres alot of superheros in mcu that iron man didnt hire but the kid with spider powers? yes
@@Instabruh.User.. tft? also prove it
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The Film Theorists, also that's a bot, also Deez Nuts
It always bothered me and then tony was a terrible mentor in Homecoming how is a hands off approach going to work with teenage superheroes
And yet we enjoy Irondad? No way, if this is how bad the man is, I fear what other sort of mentors baby spider might have doing worse..
The funny thing is all his tech is most likely protected by patterns and permits through his family business, so there's one hurdle; second, he is super wealthy and can most likely buy his way out of most trouble; and finally, if all else fails he has connections that can get him safely off-world to a place where his tech and general brilliance will be respected!
Imagine that as a bartering chip, "You don't like my tech and how I operate? I'll take it all to some other planet then."
@@Amber-tu2jo "You are arresting me? Here is my address on Asgard, good luck finding a rainbow bridge."
Nicolas cage said it perfectly. He “did what was considered wrong, in order to do what he knew was right”
- national treasure
Realistically the most likely reason Tony isn't charged with any crimes is because of Nick Fury. SHIELD has a lot of sway in the MCU and seems to operate on their own terms in many cases. Fury's contact with Tony at the end of the first movie was probably not only enough to get him as an agent of SHIELD but also make sure any crimes he committed were considered justifiable under the conditions they were in.
No, there's evidence that Iron Man's real lawyer is Saul, so
I would agree but the man literally caused Ultron, and weren't almost all his villains thanks to himself, for a genius, he should have seen all this coming, I think the main reason he was only kept around because he had sway with the masses and as is known the government/ Nick Fury needs that. He is the very definition HUBRIS.
It’s like scp foundation
SHIELD is the Military Industrial Complex irl... part of the deep state... who would sue them? hahaha
@@leamhsiaresik3179 a genius is not a fortune teller dingus.
I actually think the iconic line "I am Iron-man" is his real life legal loophole for keeping his suits privatized. he is identifying himself as the iron-man and making no seperation legally between himself and his suits, an individual can not be legally considered a weapon because that would involve legally labeling them as property, and so by claiming that he is iron-man and therefor the suits are an extension of himself he is creating a legal loophole to prevent the government from seizing anything.
He did mention that in Ironman 2 in the Congress.
I am gun-hand man
Funnily enough, the government considers some people (US Soldiers) property already. Wouldn't be too far of a stretch to assume they consider Tony property too. Expecially after the accords and such.
So, Chainsaw man is also good?
I am nuclear warhead
Getting away from Tony, have yall ever noticed that Loki's eyes were blue, like he was being mind controlled, during the first Avengers movie?
MatPat, we need a theory on this
Great theory, as always. Considering the fact that the MCU has all kinds of super men and women, super weapons, aliens and exotic materials, Tony is not so bad comparing to the other...
I would LOVE a Film Theory episode on repulsors - more specifically the science behind them, how they work, and how practical they could be for a flight suit.
You could go watch the videos of people recreating the suits. There is a group that replaces the repulsors with jets and the suit does fly, kinda.
@@johnnyarthur7159 For my part, while I'd enjoy those videos, I'd also like to see MatPat do an analytical breakdown of the video. I love the way he covers things.
if you look at them they look an awful lot like "hall effect thrusters" or "ion thrusters". they are essentially particle accelerators that ionize atmospheric gasses (and some amount of stored reaction mass when out in space) and launch them at high velocities. given the insane power output of his arc reactor i would say that it is feasible to overcome the drawbacks that apply to the real versions of them just by throwing raw wattage at them. at least to a certain degree... for the rest apply a bit of unobtanium and suspension of disbelief
Have Austin pull all the math to see how SciFi Ironman gets with the suit
@@BxGStone Austin's videos on GT are gone... I don't know what even happened
I feel like this would be an interesting mini series. Going over the crimes each of the heroes have done throughout the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
The Punisher next
Will be awesome ngl
You should start it
Heck, why not do every action movie ever made!
They destroyed whole NYC and the killed half of the living universe
Tony may have also broken in-universe laws surrounding the Sokovia Accords, in relation to harbouring Peter’s identity of Spider-Man.
(Peter deliberately made sure to keep his identity secret, a violation of the Sokovia Accords).
Even thoe Tony did mistakes, he realised and immediately closed his weapon manufacturing division when he saw his weapons were going into wrong hands. Speaking of Rules he proved in Iron Man 2. The court itself kept quiet and didn't have an answer. When Peter messed up in the ship wreck. See the way how Tony taught him be more responsible. While the other Avengers gave their life to save people. Tony not only made the Avengers win the war but also sacrificed his life for it. If Tony wanted he could have sit happily and enjoyed his wealth for lifetime. The amount of wealth he has could also support 2 generations after Tony without doing anything. That is his greatness inspite if having everything he cared for others as well
RDJ improvising "I am Iron Man" was one of the best moves in the MCU. Just imagining the series where its him doubling back constantly and trying to portray Tony Stark and Iron Man separately like a secret identity would have likely ended up a weird bungled mess. Especially considering how he was one of the few people in the world at the time with the means, money, and knowhow to do it, and in the right circumstance. I cant imagine him trying to constantly play that off.
In the comics, Iron Man allegedly worked for Stark. So that would be just as bad, sending your hapless employee / personal one-man army off to do all this stuff.
@@stevenscott2136 Iron Man is Stark.
Is that unscripted
Aw wow I never knew that moment was unscripted!! What was meant to happen in that scene? ❤
@@JacobHJones yeah, but to cover up for himself, he said “Iron Man” worked for him.
To be fair, Peter Parker dying to Thanos's snap had very little to do with Tony Stark (other than the fact that the heroes failed to stop Thanos). It wouldn't have mattered where Peter was when the snap happened, he just happened to be a part of the unlucky half population that was snapped away.
Came here to comment that but you already did it. Yeah, honestly, Peter snuck into the ship against Tony’s wishes and then dusted which had nothing to do with Tony.
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@@thereallotusx Threesome.
The government knew he was Iron Man well before the "I am Iron Man" scene. Rhodey knew pretty much right away. The government knew maybe 10 minutes later. The only thing the "I am Iron Man" scene did was let the public know. But the public already had extremely reliable rumors that he was Iron Man. They just hadn't heard it yet from the horses mouth.
The later conclusion actually makes a lot of sense. As well as the guilt you touched on in the beginning for some of the bad things he did, Tony probably had to go out of his way to fawn on the government in order to keep his equipment and freedom.
Remember that near the end of the first movie, S.H.I.E.L.D planned on helping him to cover up the fact that he was the Iron Man. They gave him those speech card things (I forget what they're called) to help him with denying that he was Iron Man.
A government agency secretly helping a billionaire be free of what he did in that first movie.
Granted he was seen as a possible asset for them for the Avengers initiative so it was in their best interest for both parties to deny.
@@natratcritter yep
More like there trying to sugar coat him to get free labor
Government I’m I right
Wait a second what did he even do
A person steals his weapon to get out of terrorists hold and takes Tony's arc reactor(which was already registered coz it was used in their factories Tony only minimised its size) to charge his own armour and to start being a war lord and Tony killed him and sheild was covering it coz he did it for the sake of democracy
So don't say that sheild helped him coz he's is multi billionaire
@@EXPLAINER.TELUGU I know. He's a hero and I like him. xD I was just acting like some kind of conspiracy theorist to add to the video's theory. I'm sorry I didn't get that point across in my comment.
In regards to all the permits and paperwork, I imagine Jarvis (and Friday) simply auto-filled and submitted all the necessary stuff for Tony (and Peter).
Also there's the whole SHIELD thing, likely wiping away most of his crimes while hanging on to the juicy stuff as leverage.
@@Instabruh.User.. 'Not a bot or lie' is the most suspicious thing you can possibly say
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We actually do see that in Age of Ultron, don't we? During the Hulk and Hulkbuster fight, Tony uses his AI to buy a huge skyscraper under construction before destroying it by slamming Hulk into it face-first.
SHIELD handles people of mass destruction (i.e. superheroes) and has a hazy limit on their powers, so it's not unreasonable to think that Nick Fury uses "national and global security" as a means to keep Iron Man et al out of the legal system so he can have them respond to world-ending threats.
I hate that everyone gives Tony a hard time about Peter. Even if Tony never got involved peter would have still been spider man as we saw. Tony knew this and gave him better gear to PROTECT him better, he didn't encourage anything he just brought out what was already there it a more guided way then what would have happened if he was never there.
That is true. You cant blame him for parker's snap death. He tried to help people. He tried to save the people who were about to get yeeted into the afterlife. Yes he was doing some illegal stuff. But he was doing the for good. He was breaking into the house to stop a criminal. S.H.I.E.L.D was letting tony stay in the hellicarrier. Tony letting peter have the equipment because he was about 17. And plus, rodgers knew about spiderman
@@kittyaya3425 additionally on that snap death, i seem to recall stark actively trying to stop him from coming, and was surprised when he found out he was still there.
@@procrastinatorbrad8041 i am no expert at the mcu but that definitely is something tony stark would do
Not only all that, but don't forget what Thanos said about the snap: It's random, without passion. Yes, Peter died on Titan, but if he hadn't come along he simply would've died on Earth. Peter was not punched to death by Thanos, so Tony did not cause his death, nor could he have prevented it.
@@procrastinatorbrad8041 yep he just got on the ship with them, they didnt bring him with
To be fair; It was Peter's decision to keep Spiderman a secret from his aunt if he thought it might give her a heart attack if she knew they were the same person.
In a world where literal superheroes exist, I would be extremely surprised if the world didn't have its own set of superhero rules and exceptions
very true, 1 of many reasons i don't like these theories of his, they tend to ignore every bit of context about in the movies
That's essentially what Civil War is about
At the beginning of the video he actually states that he's trying to compare to the real world legal system, not theirs. Our world doesn't have those rules and exceptions for superheros as far as we know
@@GoobyDev Yeah but "let's rip this entirely out of context and then go over how bad this is in the new context" is kinda a bad and rather artificial way to go about it.
@@10tailedbijuu He's stated before that some of his theories don't take some things into consideration to make it work. He knows some of his theories are ridiculous and he owns it.
(plus he literally said at the beginning that he's comparing it to OUR legal system. Not the MCU)
Considering Senator Stern turned out to be a member of Hydra, I think it's a good thing that they weren't able to seize his armor.
I wouldn’t even trust the US government with his armor, regardless of Hydra
@@neonhill1595 I mean, the world council did order a nuke against an unevacuated Manhattan, just because the Avengers didn't take the aliens out in 30 minutes!
Thank you!
@@rrodey2015true 😂😂😂
In his defence about helping peter become a better vigilante, Peter would have continued to do so with or _without_ Tony's influence.
And his death by the snap was random, not targeted. Yes, he died on Titan, but if he hadn't been there, he would've died on Earth. Tony did not cause his death, nor could he have prevented it.
i swear matt stopped watching anything he makes videos on. he's got to much work with the 4 channels now.
like he clearly didnt know that peter was fighting crime way before tony approached him. tony says he's been keeping tabs on him.
its like ok someone is fighting crime with there fist. so instead you give them a sword. oh but the people got guns. so you give him armor. and a bigger gun. (non lethal of course... maybe a little lethal)
That's not the point. He was whining all movie about people being registered and then hid Peter's identity.
@@kahlilcrawley5156
Don't mistake the movie for the comics. In the Civil War comic book arc, the conflict was about supers revealing their identities, in the movie it was about accepting government supervision. Peter's identity doesn't need to be revealed for him to sign the accords and follow orders. I mean, Stark acts as the higher-ups' enforcer, pretty much, and Peter follows his orders.
@@Manostion revealing your identity was still part of the Accords. Though it was just to members of the United Nations and not the entire world.
Hey MatPat! You should totally do a theory on a webseries called "Murder Drones." The next episode is coming out in a few weeks, and a spooky teaser with hidden text in glitches sounds right up your alley!
“Atonying for his mistakes”
He’s achieved full dadpat
He's still yet to reach his final form...
Boomerpat.
@@Instabruh.User.. touch grass
@@JosephSh09 You made me actually laugh
Most of this was likely covered by some "conditional immunity" clause written into Fury's S.H.I.E.L.D *"Avengers Initiative"*. So long as he kept Stark's name on the list of members (or even potential members) it probably blocked most government agencies from pursuing action against him.
This was followed up after S.H.I.E.L.D collapsed by the "Sokovia Accords" and Stark being one of the initial signatories of that legislation.
And going by his actions in Civil War, pretty much all of the legal ramifications of his actions were suspended so long as Tony acted as a lapdog for General Ross and the group in charge of enforcing the Sokovia Accords. Which he did to a point, only defying Ross as much as he could without giving Ross the ammunition to pull the trigger on said legal issues.
@Teddy Einstein beacayse its fun to list out all laws he broke
Yeah, because S.H.I.E.L.D. is likely a "Private" organization and any "Regis-tration" would nullify a lot of their immunities. Which is likely what the "Government" wants of an intelligence agency. A group that has reduced "Transparency" in order to carry out "Clandestine" operations which could cause war between nations if their names and actions are filed under that nation.
Wow! This is actually a great idea! Thanks for getting my fave Tony Stark out of trouble!
This actually makes sense
fun fact, the movie producers did an amazing job of understanding the law. the government wanted to confiscate his suits in iron man 2: if they were illegal unregistered destructive devices, they would have just taken them, not asked politely for him to turn them over cause "i want it tho". and if he registered them, the US gvmt could just replicate them, since form 2 registration for non-standard NFA items requires schematics
A theory about how the suit works and if it's possible would be really cool
I gotta say, this video feels like an old school topic being presented on the new style of editing. I'm LOVING it
I wonder what prison could hold Iron man without him figuring a way out.
Azkaban I know it's in Harry Potter don't yell at me
At first I was thinking of Alcatraz, that old prison that isn't used anymore in the middle of some body of water. But, then I remembered that Tony can just call his suit over to break him out or make something to bust out with the materials he has at hand. Maybe a prison in space run only by robots so no human spacecraft would be there for Tony to use and escape.
Any prison that confiscates his tech when they book him. It's not like he has any super powers. But, in the MCU, he would likely be kept in a prison specifically made for super-powered people, like Clint, Scott, and Sam were in Civil War (all of whom have no powers without their equipment).
@@SgtSupaman like batman.... his mind is his superpower
@SgtSupaman
Did you miss iron man 3?
Tony's Billionaire level lawyer: "Human trafficking? Say the name, Spiiiddeeeerrr-man, he isn't a human, what are you talking about, he is a spider-human."
Yes please do a video on repulsors. It will be great to see if they are real and if they are legal.
Yeah, one of the things I felt was missing from 'No Way Home' was not the backlash against Spiderman, but Damage control slamming Stark Industries for giving Pete the suit, the glasses and more
Yea I wonder if they would’ve pursued legal action against Pepper since she was the CEO before and after Tony died, I know Happy did get in legal trouble tho
But would they know about Spider-Man working that closely with Iron Man
Not likely, anyone who even tries to badmouth the guy who literally died to save half of the universe would suffer severe public backlash, any public figure saying anything bad about Tony or his legacy would be ending his own career
Why would damage control condemn stark industries when stark was literally a founder of it and profitted from it and all. Stark would be their boss
@@pepe2veces he saved the entire universe technically
Well the guy started out as war arms manufacturer and dealer, I have never forgotten about that since the first Iron Man movie. He happily sold weapons to buyers and not question where those weapons were used until it hit home (literally).
what are you on about? he always thought his weapons go to the US only. He was shocked when he learned his partner was selling weapons to anyone else. He is not a global arms dealer, but more of a USA contractor that only supported USA with new technology and weapons. Making weapons for your own country is not the same as arms dealers that sell to anyone regardless of what they will do with it.
Eh TECHNICALLY he didn't do ANY of that and he basically was uninterested and assumed the best from his wealthy CEO/friend/mentor...its basically a direct parallel of how Americans always assume our country is using its multi-trillion dollar defense budget responsibily, the one that we pay for mind you... despite all the needless killing they do for profit and despite America having thousands of starving children and half the country without health care...all so that we can justify the profits of war...but he wasnt aware because he didn't care...he was too busy living the high life
@@mysteryk2283 ah yes, the United States of America, famous for their ethical use of weapons in war.
The one who sold the weapons to bad ppl actually was Obadiah Stane
Peter didn't exactly get beat up by Cap, he would've been pulling his punchs so cap wouldn't die, also peters healing factor makes caps look normal
MatPat is that one guy in the friend group who won’t shut up during the movie making predictions and applying real world logic and scenarios and scream when the predictions come to pass.
Me too. I have to work hard sometimes to not talk out loud and ruin everything for people. I talk a ton after the movie though.
Guilty
Same I keep yelling at Harry Potter movies "WHY COULDNT SIRIUS GET A TRIAL?! ON VERITASERUM LIKE THAT IGOR GUY"
Oh boy i can relate XF
i’m the same 😭
Peter was crime fighting before he even met Tony, if anything, Tony made things safer for peter by providing him with better tools for doing what he was gonna do anyways without Tony's influence.
Matt ONLY realizes this NOW?
Not to mention that when Tony did take the suit back and discouraged Peter from Spiderman-ing, Peter still went out and did it anyway without the protective suit, using his previous Spiderman "onesie". And on top of that, we already see that May is ok with him going over county borders to "Spiderman" because in Far From Home, SHE packs the suit even when Peter didn't have any intentions to use it. Tony gave Peter an out multiple times, but Peter never took it and was going to get involved with or without Tony's permission.
The Peter portion shouldn't count (though I do agree with you on the Edith thing. Big Oof), but the rest is a pretty good theory. Great job @Matpat!! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
I don't think that would make any difference under the law.
@@suzygirl1843 even if that was the case, it wouldn't make a difference in the face of the law
He put him in MORE danger though because the crime fighting Peter was originally doing was basic not getting beaten up by shield boomerang throwing people
I get what youre saying but;
> Iron Monger wasnt Tony's fault
> Whiplash was avenging his criminal father
> the dept of damage control was ensuring no one got a hold of alien tech
> He told spider man not to go to space
> He told spiderman to "keep his distance and web them up" not to fight them
> he decked out spiderman's suit with safety features and kept an eye on him.
All irrelevant
@@kahlilcrawley5156 *lights a cigarette, takes a puff, blows smoke in your face* ...wrong. *ashes cigarette in your icecream*
@@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805 that ash in the ice cream feels personal lol
Real throwback episode, as a loyal theorist since 2014, I appreciate it
That "contraband" to "abandoned" editing was top notch. Props to the editor/editors.
Agreed
I loved it
time?
@@dantegallardo1974 9:26
Agreed, so slick
The guy in the Senate also wanted the suit because he was an Agent of Hydra, who most of the govt was at the time, so in many ways it was just the enemy trying to steal a suit for themselves too.
these theories of Matt's tend to ignore all content!! Even the bit that says even if a non government body would be the one to take away Tony's toys, the government would immediately send people to take it for themselves.
Yeah, but Tony didn't know that at the time he was just breaking the law because he was rich and he could
@@violetrose674 Every hero in MCU has broken the law in sone ways.Steve broke the law by enlisting in the army with fake names and even tried to with very dangerous health issues, that would have endangered his entire team.
Wanda worked for Hydra and relesed the hulk in populated area,which was wiped under the rug because of Tony,because Cap wanted give her a chance.
Sa
the whole "spiderman's death is tony's responsibility" makes no sense
all tony did that could be considered encouraging peter to be a vigilante in infinity war, was giving peter the iron spider suit, which was for peter's own safety
thats pretty true because peters death wasn't his fault
This was a very good video, you should make a video in which you look at the crimes of the rest of the avengers
A counterpoint to the E.D.I.T.H glasses point is that Shield handed them over to Peter. And no less it was Fury (Talos the Skrull disguised as Fury) who handed them over. It's likely the glasses were registered by shield for Peter so he didn't have to go through that whole process.
or entrapment at worst. a government agent conspiring to get an innocent to commit a crime is a crime in of itself.
Yeah...that might be true...
turn to Christ❤😊😊
No...
the part mat pat was talking about is that tony didn’t register the E.D.I.T.H drones *before* his passing
Sure, Peter obtains them legally, but Stark had them illegally
Matpat: *watches a movie about a billionaire fighting space aliens in a robot suit*
Also MatPat: "This is very unrealistic".
When did he say it was unrealistic?
True, it’s not like he was trying to go into space, he was going to stop aliens robbing a sorcerer
@@theelectricgigaex5904 I feel like these people would be exempt from most laws when the alternative is let everyone die via space alien invasion.
Love this so much!! Also great review for the Bar exam hahaha, thanks!!
I mean hey, this is probably one of the reasons why Batman keeps his secret Identity
For the whole "endangering an minor" thing, I bet after Aunt May founded out Peter is Spider-Man; he gave Tony quite a earful and was given some compensation and maybe a promise to keep an closer eye on Peter's crimefighting. Clearly that didn't work all that well, but it was something.
Yeah, she's clearly upset when she sees him for the first time(as spiderman). Guess they didn't want to explore that any further.
In terms of real life billionaires, yeah that's definitely something that I could see happening but can't see Tony doing that (especially not to Peter's unusually attractive Aunt). May clearly supports it after she finds out and obviously she was gonna be surprised to find out her son is a superhero, I'd be surprised if my dad was Superman
@@daveleevicks8749 she was surprised, not upset
@@anattemptwasmade that too
A;so by bringing in Peter would he have violated the Sakovia Accords (Peter certainly was in violation) which is exactly what Tony was arguing that they needed.
I appreciate how MatPat is still posting consistently even though he has a fourth channel now. Keep up the good work! 😁
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I can't imagine "fashion" providing enough content for consistent uploads lol. Movies and Food are much easier to make content on. Fashion is just a waste of time. Shit's goofy
give recognition to steph the rest of the team too! they make it possible.
@@Yumums maybe its just not for you. fashion isnt for me either. but its been around loooong before movies
6:42 are we just going to go with the fact that he was going die regardless of whether or not he was in space or on earth. Tony's actions did not lead to his death.
Thanos was still going to collect the Infinity Stones and Thanos was still going to perform the snap and he was still going to be in the unlucky portion of the population.
Could the fact he saves the world several times also help him with his sentence? Like, is there a prison relief act that reduces your sentence if you save the world from aliens?
If Tony were to go to court, he would probably win it thanks to this thing called jury nullification, which is when the jury chooses to give someone the not guilty verdict but knows they commit the crime but you did it with good intent and him being a super hero he would definitely go the route.
True on that one- on top of nullification if they see no harm. They can call a number of different loopholes to not even go to court, or continue the case under a guise of seid nullification.
But you can't tell anyone about jury nullification or the judge will invalidate the jury, and the judges can lie to the jury about it as well.
@@rifter0x0000 True, but...
If "nullification" is intentionally giving a "wrong" verdict, because there's no penalty for being "wrong"...
Are we supposed to assume we'd get the death penalty for a "wrong" verdict?
@@1994AustinSmith That's not nullification. Jury nullification means the jury can find you "not guilty" even if your conduct did break the law, in cases where the jury believes the law itself unjust or is being unjustly applied. It doesn't mean finding people guilty or giving them the death penalty. The opposite in fact.
@@rifter0x0000 I mean, are the *jury* supposed to assume they'd be punished for a wrong verdict, because the defendant claimed "self defense" or something?
I think a good reason why Tony Stark isn’t behind bars is that, with the exception of war machine, the US government couldn’t hope to actually enforce those laws on him, because he has the technology to fight them rather successfully. Remember, the iron legion from age of Ultron?
maybe one base but the us military in force? he would crushed by the sheer numbers i don't think you grasp just how much firepower us military can bring to bear they aren't called worlds most powerful military for nothing
@@andriusas90 you do know that in the MCU most lethal war weapons were created by tony right? I’m sorry to disappoint you but if tony absolutely wanted to he could 1v the entire military easily since let’s be honest tony can probably shut down most of their firepower as most of it was created by him remember though this is the MCU’s military not real life.
@@thatonedudeontheinternet5175 forgot to mention, the military likely also has the ICER guns from agents of shield, but they would likely be ineffective against the armor.
@@thatonedudeontheinternet5175 no it wasn't military has several other contractors and there is no way stark industries could even come close to producing enough weapons for military and also it's military they would have already checked for any backdoors in the weaponry they have there's absolutely no way stark would be able to sneak any weapons with backdoor access to military they would freaking check it over and over to make sure the weapon works just as intented it might surprise you but Tony stark isn't the only engineer or programmer in the world he is simply the most famous
Lol I have the comment I literally can't believe the amount of delusional I'm seeing in these comments. The US military vs Tony Stark. The guy who helped take down Thanos and you telling me the US military can beat this guy in a fight lol
6:34 I reject that spiderman went out while Tony told him to stay on earth
In Iron man 2 the senate hearing was a ploy to get the iron man suit in the hands of HYDRA. (afaik)
I think Tony Stark having the financial means to fight back would go a LONG way, and then a combination of making deals and general non compliance (aka defiance) would have kept him free. And I think it basically comes down to they just can't stop him really, or aren't willing to pay the price it would cost to stop him
Shield too. Shield is a governmenf association
Tony stark is the embodiment of “try to stop me and see what happens”
Tony… may you continue to live in our hearts😢
@@pedroriosromero4574Killing him off was one of the worst things Marvel did, it had a lot of impact in the movie sure and was good from that standpoint, but his death is was not good for the longevity of the MCU 🤔
@@homerman76 How so? The death was perfect for the conclusion of the character as well as the infinity saga.
@@homerman76 no fcking way, it was the perfect conclusion
I was kinda disappointed that we don't see a huge infrastructure boom from Tony, i thought it was the whole point in iron man 1 that he wanted his tech to be used to help the people. One man can't do much to help a few thousand, but Tony could have helped the world with his arc reactors. Water desalination in drought stricken areas, heating in perpetually cold areas. Heck the amount of time between iron man one and tonys death we could have had multiple colonies around our solar system with his tech. He held back so much
Yeah, though one attraction at my countries disneyland does actually feature an arc reactor that powers a bunch of stuff, sad to see it not be mentioned in the movies though
I believe he doesn't want make his tech public because he doesn't trust anyone, especially governs
To be fair, the mcu was based off of the comics…
I think the main thing that holds him back at that point is trust. His tech could easily advance our species hundreds if not thousands of years in development, but we're just not ready for it. Even as secure as his designs were, people still managed to get a hold of them and use it for criminal activities. Governments take control of it? We'd have a police state of armored sentinels and weapons far deadlier than the nukes, with an arms race that could cause another world war.
In the comics he does but it always backfires when an enemy/rival weponises said tek against him
Hi Matpat, I have a cool idea for a video, it’s an ARG called “Welcome home” it’s not very known, till now only 2 people(I think) have made videos about it. I think you would really enjoy it really seems interesting and I’d love to see a video of yours on it.
The only thing that doesn't make Tony the new joker is 'hero' painted on his DVD box set. I love that regular fans are seeing that 'super' movies haven't been about heroes for a long time. Spiderman has been the only hero & even he dropped off at 3.
I love how mat still calls them ‘theories’ when at this point they’re just straight up facts 😂
I mean yeah factual Iron Man committed upteen crimes and yeah factual in our actual world hed at most have to spend a little time in court
Most of the time they're hypotheses, not facts or theories. Mat has admitted that himself. But Game Hypothesis is not a marketable brand name.
@@styfen I mean, they're closer to theories in the original challenge and it's brand recognition at this point so nothing to really be mad or confused about (not saying that you are any of both but there's not much more discussion)
I can't believe I grew up watching MatPat slowly study law.
Slowly is the key word here. Stark Industries clearly has all the permitting it needs to produce the suits and drones. He would clearly have a class 10 federal fireams license. Basically everything firearms or weapons related Matpat complains about is done within the law.
Poorly
I love that "let's start with his smallest crime" is literally a felony 🤣🤣🤣🤣
As always MatPatt breaks my brain with a out of nowhere theory 😂
This isn't a theory is it? he should be in jail, but it's part of his arc, it's not new information.
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if this broke your brain, you clearly never watched MCU.
They literally go over this in the movies.
One thing that’s racked my brain for YEARS was “if deadpool got snapped away in the blip, could his body repair itself?” And following from that, “if his body DID repair, would a second deadpool be brought back when the blip was reversed?”
Thats actually an awesome theory!
Mutant Powers alone? no it won't be enough, however the varient of him who has been cursed with life so he cannot date lady death, this addition to the powers would have protected him from it!
I doubt Deadpools regeneration could stop the snap.
deadpool's mutant power alone probably wouldn't protect him from the power of the six infinity stones combined, but if you're going by comic logic, deadpool did have a date with the literal personification of death herself, so he definitely could have survived the snap if death would have protected him
I think the stones did more than just letting the physical bodies fall into dust, from what I can tell they outright deleted the persons, meaning their soul and everything got destroyed, so even if deadpools body could regenerate, it would probably be liveless/soulless. Also assuming the snap destroys all cells of a human that is snapped away, I don't think you could simply regenerate from that
Thanos' disintegration of half the people in the universe was random. Ergo, Spider-Man wasn't put in any more danger from it by being there to fight Thanos directly. Moreover, Iron Man actually tried to keep Spidey *out* of that fight, but Spidey tagged along anyway.
iron man only save spiderman from dying so how is that ironman's fault?
Spider-Man has been in high school for the last 20 years. It's like looking at a baby Yoda and knowing that he's 50 years. They need to let him grow up already.
this should be a series, i swear. just superheroes of their respective franchises and their crimes.
weirdly enough, in a business english class i took for my degree a few years ago, we had to do presentations, reporter style, on whatever we wanted. and i chose to do an exposè style moment of “yeah the avengers save our lives but they’ve ruined our building and make our taxes skyrocket year after year, constantly having to rebuild neighborhoods, no insurance premiums on monsters coming out of the sky crashing into your home, where will the madness end?” and i had a few classmates in stitches because they’d never thought of it like that before 😂
I agree, superheros aren’t just saving us, they are doing other stuff too.
Legal Eagle exists
@@CoopMoe oh i didn't know he made a series like that. just checked and it's random franchises not limited to just superheroes which is cool. but i do want more of the less popular superheroes to be exposed so more content will still be appreciated!
this feels much more like a classic film theory video, some feel kind of far-fetched but this has a really classic vibe about it. editing and all
and that's bad
His recent theories haven't felt classic, it's nice to see that this one has that vibe but I just don't feel it with his content anymore.
Matt needs to do a video about how Spider-Man‘s lawyer is daredevil and how Miles Morales is in the MCU universe because of homecoming
9:29 ok that transition from "contraband" to "abandoned" is genius
Not gonna lie, watching all the iron man movies again really made me wonder how Tony got away with all he did, and I’m so glad you covered it here!
because he was a hero, yall just looking deep at the negatives, he saved the goddamn universe
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@@_______-3007didn't stop them from creating the Sokovia thing
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@@_______-3007 exactly he is earth main defense if they put him in jail earth would be in massive danger just look at what happend when the avengers broke up half of earth basicly died that the canon reason he didn't get jailed they need him and only a delusional idiot would deny that
One possible reason why Iron Man doesn't get arrested could be the existence of previous human weapons in the MCU's history. The referenced laws might have been a little different in a world where Captain America is a widely known historical figure and many governments were secretly running other superhumans (Ant Man, Winter Soldier, Red Guardian, Isaiah Bradley, et al.) under the table.
I agree
Or It’s because it’s a superhero movie
DC has made reference to a similar concept in their comics. The one that always stuck out to me is the fact that superheroes can testify in court without giving away their secret identity by claiming fifth amendment protection in regards to said identity.
He breaks the law, the interesting thing was how he rationalized it. For a long time that's why he couldn't be the guy as Steve mentioned in the original Avengers. It's why Strange wouldn't tell him or acknowledge what had to be done until the moment was there, so Tony could process. He's a guy that had an existential crisis and PTSD at the same time, had the arguably the most complete character arc so far, and still was at the top of his game...out of necessity I'd imagine. As it's been said, no one causes more collateral damage than heroes. Even Saiyans know to go to somewhere more suitable for battle.
Please do a vid on the monument mythos!
Matpat: Tony Encouraged Peter to do dangerous crime fighting!
Tony: just be a friendly neighborhood Spiderman kid
This is exactly why we loved him, he "wasn't the guy to make the sacrifice play" who made the ultimate sacrifice
Reminder that in a Phineas and Ferb special crossover with the Avengers, Iron man's suit ran out of power and for the majority of the episode, he was stuck in it, because it was too heavy to move in without it being on, turning him into a human-shaped, talking Plants VS Zombies wallnut XD
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Just after this video was uploaded, Governor Ron DeSantis just legalized concealed carrying a firearm without a license. Yipee
Another reason they never went for him too hard as he was the only one that could produce and maintain the product. As a result, they were forced to put up with him so that he can make more, maintain the equipment, perform requests for them, and not decide to bounce for more favourable terms. That is why he got away with it.
I love how much effort matpat puts into videos
Matpat give us a total drama theory
His team***
It's not just him and hasn't been just him for a very long time.
@@BrandonWestfall finally someone knows that it isnt just matpat making theories
Style Theory sucks, tho
@@MrHel-hf3nk 😂😂 thats not even a relevant comment
Can we get a whole series like this for Marvel AND DC?
Iron Man 3 may have been mid, but the premise of “What is Tony without the suit?” was beautiful
I'd like to see MatPat continue this for other Marvel heroes.
If you really think about it, Stark is one of the only heroes to never get arrested or go on the run for their actions.
"What is legal is not always right." Or, more accurately to what Tony would say, "Come and take it."
Matpat, you should make a theory about Luigi's Mansion where he actually is a murderess psycho who kills everybody and that is why there are so many ghosts. And he is thinking he's a good person and try to save his friends, which is why they are in paintings. The paintings are actually the dead bodies of his friends and hallucinations are involved. But that's just a theory!
Peter intentionally went to fight in Infinity war, even Iron man was surprised to see him.
The whole schtick of Phase 3 and onward was addressing the complex legacy Tony had left behind. Poor Spidey had a lot of put up with.
Although, seems matpat forgot that the senator in charge of the committee hearing also worked for HYDRA. So, the civil forfeiture would be used as a smokescreen to obtain the suits for Dr.Whitehall and Struckers army not the US military.
thats intruiging
He was covered under the Sokovia Accords, gave him a lot of carte blanche
I think a big factor in iron man getting off free is that ever since the first avengers he's basically been working with the government, first with shield and then helping enforce the sokovia accords
Really appreciate the old text style when matpat brings up that this theory is a "theorist classic" it's a nice attention to detail
Okay, I admit it. For as many amazing breakthroughs he came up with that drove the hero's winning he also committed/created most of the crimes/villains with a grudge against that not only he had to fix but also with help from his friends. In all reality, his whole story seems him making a big mess, then having his friends help clean as well lol
That's cause iron man is a MAN, not some godly figure that can do no wrong.
@@mohammedrehman514 And an engineer.
Can't build a Vision without cracking a few Ultrons.
@@1994AustinSmith Ultron wasn't even his fault though. Wanda literally got into his mind and manipulated him into taking and using the scepter. She knew this was going to be a harmful action, meanwhile Tony was trying to study the scepter in an attempt to protect the world from the very real threat of Thanos. It wasn't his fault that there was basically an "evil wizard" (Ultron) trapped in the scepter that hacked and misused his stuff.
Criticize him for stuff that he actually did wrong.
iron man 1: he invented a new rocket for the military then got betrayed by his partner (his fault? maybe sure)
iron man 2: ditched the scientist on the roof ( sure that probably was his fault)
iron man 3: Villain attacked him because he was iron man ( idk how that's his fault )
Ultron: he did make ultron so i would agree here
so whats all the problem tony has created?
My son said that shield is part of the government and has "authorized" all of Tony's actions. So this negates anything as illegal.
I asked why scott Lang got additional probation for his actions in Germany, he said that Scott wasn't on Tony's side, he was there for Captain America, so it wasn't authorized by Shield.
Shield wouldn't press charges for Tony's hacking so that takes care of that.
As far as the illegal explosive devices, you have to prove it, soooooo, Tony is scot free. Scott is not free.
Yeah for big government.
For what it’s worth, MatPat 10:32 , the novelization of X-Men: Days of Future Past has Magento describe Stark-tech repulsors as being powered by muon decay. If you ever decide to land on a theory for that, that might be a nice place to start.
Oddly enough, Tony operating the suit while drunk has been a point of issue in the comics.
I recall during some incident with Ragnarok, he caught legal backlash post incident for going into battle intoxicated.
You should also consider his connection to SHIELD. It's highly likely Fury swept most of this under the rug in order to keep Stark in line