Into The PIANOVERSE From IK Multimedia | Is it truly the only virtual piano you will ever need?
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- bit.ly/Discover_Pianoverse
@ikmultimedia has opened the door to the PIANOVERSE and invited me to come in to experience what this new concept for them is all about. We won't be able to touch on everything so consider this just the introduction for there surely will be sequels to come; Across The PIANOVERSE, Beyond The PIANOVERSE ;^)
What PIANOVERSE offers is a growing collection of carefully sampled pianos from concert grand to uprights providing a wide range of tones and performance possibilities.
They sampled the pianos in a very dry and controlled studio space in order to provide the optimum environment to take them even further through the use of their SPACES technology. Here are a few more details:
• The finest world-class pianos, meticulously tuned and recorded
• Robot-assisted sampling for unparalleled accuracy and precision
• New sound engine with redesigned round-robin and voice management
• Continuous pedal control for half- and catch-pedaling
• Advanced controls: lid position, harp resonance, pedal and piano hammer noise
• Multiple instrument and room microphone options
• Studio-essential EQ, compression, limiting, and stereo width
• 30 generative sound Spaces to explore
• 12 high-end creative cinematic effects to tailor the sound
• Native support of Apple M1 processor
• Works as a 64-bit plug-in or standalone instrument for Mac/PC
PIANOVERSE is available as a perpetual license or as part of IK Multimedia's new ALL ACCESS Pass. Learn more here:
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INDEX
00:00:00 INTO THE PIANOVERSE
00:00:52 YF3 | Natural Concert Grand
00:03:07 Starting To Explore Spaces | Desert
00:05:34 SPACES | Roman Colleseum
00:08:00 SPACES | Iceberg
00:10:49 SPACES | Palace
00:12:33 SPACES | Studio C - Studio B
00:13:31 SPACES | Studio A
00:13:48 SPACES | Seafloor
00:15:24 Royal Upright Y5 | PURE
00:18:31 TONE SHIFT
00:19:07 Spaces | Mansion
00:19:56 Spaces | Theatre
00:20:57 The Piano Channel Strip
00:23:05 NY Grand 274
00:25:25 NY Grand 274 | Space | Live Venue
00:27:51 Black Diamond B280 (Bosendorfer 280VC)
00:28:18 Viewer Question | Investigating Releases
00:31:01 Spaces | Red Planet
00:31:57 Spaces | Cathedral
When i think i have enough piano librarys... then... holly cow...
We can never have enough piano libraries, cos each piano, and the different ways each sample library maker has created their samples, introduces its own unique perspective.
I like this one. If I had the disposable funds, I would buy.
Holy Frick, I accidentally clicked on this video and I was already mousing over the back button because I already have BBC piano pro, VSL, CinePiano.... so what do I need anything else for? holy hell I want this one NOWWWWW
What I luv about dry and "up close" libs is that on a proper board with weighted keys and headphones you can shut your eyes and literally feel like you are playing the real thing. Concert halls and reverbs are great for recordings and mixes, but it is not what a performer hears. I really dig the sound of this.
Yes, these particular pianos put you very up close and personal like very few have. Experimenting with some of the studio spaces has been fun and adding just a little bit really takes things far. Thanks so much for watching.
Great product and great playing...
Love me some great pianos, thanks for sharing Simeon...the effects on these grand pianos are awesome
Hands down one of the best piano libraries I've ever heard Simeon! Splendid most importantly on the authenticity side. The advantage of recording the pianos dry I think.
Oh, you have no idea 😎The dry approach opens up such tremendous opportunities that venture outside to even crazier alternate universes that Pianoverse can traverse, stay tuned! 📺
Over the moon about these piano sounds they sound incredible dry. Now one can add the exact ambiance required. Many thanks Simeon Andre from SA.
Thanks for another inspiring product review Simeon! Really got me excited to hear the various environments that this can be placed in. Sadly, I will never be able to play with the finesse that you do, which is what brings these instruments to life.
David, never give up, nuance is such a personal things and it comes in different ways for each of us, it is never too far away. Thank you for your kind support, it is much appreciated.
As great as always! Very nice and joyful video once again 😊
Thank you so much, it is my joy to be able to share.
Yooo this sounds so good
Went for the Yammy CFIII (YF3) last night. On my VPC1 it feels real nice getting from the pp to ff.
Great value at $99!!
Thanks Simeon for the review
My pleasure, I’m sure it feels great using the VPC1. Thanks so much for watching.
Holly fu++ing shi.t💀 i love this thing
It was my dream with keyscape (to have all the flagship models and some effects to go beyond)
It's beautiful... Well done (the company i don't even know the name of yer😅)
Thanks Simeon❤ for this amazing walkthrough
cool
🙂
Steinway and yamaha are so amazing❤❤❤
They've done a fantastic job capturing these wonderful instruments
I can identify the sound immediately
Like... So it's the yamaha and this one is Steinway
Perfect
Well done IKM
I think this is where even the vsl couldn't deliver (i hardly can identify their yamaha/Steinway/bosendorfer)
Of course the vsl is amazing
I'm just pointing things out
One of the main things here is that the VSL SYNCHRON were recorded on the massive Synchron Stage, while the Pianoverse instruments were recorded as dry as possible. This contributes to the overall sound signature with the VSL having the Synchron acoustic imprint embedded into its personality, that is why they sound similar in a certain way, whereas the Pianoverse instruments avoid the room signature entirely so you only hear the instrument.
Again, recording them dry in my opinion is vital to the Pianoverse concept of taking a piano and literally dropping it into any type of acoustic space, that is what they have done here. I am working on a theory as well to see how I could drop Pianoverse into a certain studio in Vienna, we shall see. 😎
@@PraiseTracks thank you simeon♥️ i didn't really expect a New piano library to blow my mind like this... I thought it's over and no one could do a new job with piano libraries but... Wow this thing is awesome
Thanks for your perfect-timing videos man
We really appreciate it♥️
Thank you friend! Your reviews are so helpful as usual. Compared to NI or Keyscape how would you rate this library in terms of sound and quality?
9:12 you need to play the Mario Galaxy intro piano theme with this one lmaooooo
cool but I'm still team Galaxy Vienna for now. it goes straight to my heart and spine.
Great video glad to have found you via Ik multimedia, can these piano sounds be used on the Yamaha MODX ? it has some pianos but as another fan has commented you can never have too many piano libraries..... I`m not sure yet how to do that but it would be good to have. I`m a novice on the MODX its way above my head but i`m learning.....
PIANOVERSE cannot be loaded directly into MODX but rather is a virtual instrument plugin. You need a computer and audio interface to run it and of course use the MODX to control it. Thanks for watching.
It sound very nice! I’m wondering if the dry samples offer anything more than a modeled piano from Pianotec and if the sustain can be half pedaled?
Thanks as always for this and everything you do!❤
Ken, Pianoverse does have what I would call a modeled half-pedal. I would say since Pianoteq is modelling each note as it is being played gives it some interesting advantages. The dry recording approach for PIANOVERSE is definitely something they needed to do in order to fully realize their concept of putting the various pianos through their SPACES and effects concepts.
Using anything less than the driest recordings possible would make doing anything creative as far as acoustic and effect space modelling as they are nearly impossible as you would be contending with the baked in sound of whatever the original room imparted to the recordings.
Possibly an ideal situation is to record the pianos in an anechoic chamber to totally eliminate any sort of room ambient interference. That is exactly the approach the Petrof company did when Modartt was creating their Pianoteq version of one of their pianos, it is an amazing process.
Thanks for your continued support, it is really appreciated. Joyfully
@@PraiseTracks Thanks so much for that detailed explanation. You continue to be a great inspiration!
You mentioned the sustain pedal you were using gives you half-pedaling. What pedal are you using?
Yes, the CASIO and my SL88:Grand have three pedal controllers with the sustain being a variable midi continuous controller similar to an expression pedal but sending cc64 values between 0 and 127, instead of just on and off. Thanks so much for watching and please let me know if you had any additional questions.
The Bösendorfer sounds great. Do you think these pianos are on par with those found in the Yamaha Montage 8? Better?
I would have to say in my opinion that any good sampled piano collection would be superior to something included on a workstation keyboard. The only caveat would be if said workstation had the horsepower and capacity to present the detail required.
Most workstations are just that, workhorses for the studio and for live playing and in those cases you can get by with approximating a particular sound in those types of environments.
Being used to playing larger virtual pianos at home and then trying to get a somewhat comparable experience on some of the digital pianos I have played on the road has been challenging at times, especially trying to get a full playable dynamic range. Thanks for watching.
The samples in the Montage are ok for live - but the pianos samples in this video, and from any of the best sample piano libraries for playback on computers, are definitely much better sounding than the pianos on a Montage.
The key issue is that most people do not have the listening environment to hear the difference when listening to UA-cam, or they have not developed their hearing to hear the differences.
Ik once allowed demos of new software , not this time around. I am sure this is fantastic but when you Own Vienna and Garritan libraries there is really no need for anything else. I have yet to hear anything as good as the Vienna symphonic stuff. Yes it's expensive and yes it takes up a lot of space but if you are playing classical piano it's the best. My first Library was the Grandeur by Native Instruments , I thought it was fantastic until I bought the Garritan CFX concert grand , I thought that was the best until I bought the Steinway Model D from Vienna . 😃
Yes, the Garritan CFX while having some age on it still holds up and is one of the few pianos that have a true Una Corda layer, while most others simulate this. VSL is amazing as well due to the extreme amount of detail they put into the sampling process. Thanks so much for watching and the kind support.
Can you please do a tutorial on getting Piano verse to see the samples. I'm having a time and have lost two days of playing trying to get this thing to work. I've heard of other people spending time on setting it up. I can't find a tutorial on it anywhere.
I think in one of my followup Pianoverse videos I actually touched on this a bit but let me see what I can do. Stay tuned!
Thanks for this Simeon. Did you switch out controllers? No SL88Grand? What are you using now?
SL88: Grand still here. CASIO had sent me one of their PX-S7000 Privias to evaluate and I have been using it for a few weeks. I enjoy having the built in sounds to bring those up at times when working with other instruments, a piano layer is only a turn away. The SL88: Grand will be coming back however. I am interested to see how it feels after playing the PX-S7000 for a while ;^)
@@PraiseTracks gotcha. Might be good to do a 5 minute video on keybed comparison?
What is it that you're using to visualize the chord names, by the way?
It is called MIDiculous PRO from Gospel Musicians. I have a link to it that helps provide more information. It is a very useful tool. Thanks so much for watching.
Which midi controller are you using?
I have been using the CASIO PX-S7000 for a few months. I have enjoyed the weighted but snappy action, along with the built in sounds that have come in handy during a livestream where I can dial up a sound fairly quickly. I also use MIDICULOUS PRO for my onscreen keyboard and chord display.
Thanks for watching.
Hi Simeon, Did you notice the "harp resonance" feature? Is it good?
I know it's a very hard thing to model. I wonder how well Pinaoverse has done it...
Thanks!
I think it could be better in some respects, I feel that I am not getting enough interaction with things. I am sure that this could improve over time as they refine the concept.
Thanks for the reply. I have tried to get right into it (paid for a month) and I can't find any evidence of "harp resonance". As I understand it, here is an example of how it would/should work:
hold down a few notes in the right hand, silently.
play a loud staccato chord in left hand.
when the LH chord disappears the held notes in the right hand ring out, since their damping felts are off the strings.
That's what an acoustic piano does. It's very difficult to model. Most makers of virtual pianos don't even try. It's absolutely necessary for a musically convincing package.
My Clavinova has it. I think some of the Native Instruments pianos have it.
Will IK Multimedia be reading this?
Hey Simeon is pianoverse better than keyscape C7 Grand Or Noire from NI?
None of them is better, it is finding the one that can meet your specific need or sound you are going for. Pianoverse blurs the line between a pristine sampled piano collection mixed with some extreme sound design. Keyscape's C7 is something I can pull up and it sits very well in most of my mixes. It does not have the additional mic positions but you have a fairly comprehensive collection of keyboard instruments. You can get into more sound design but you need Omnisphere 2 to get there.
NOIRE is a wonderful piano, actually two (Pure and Felt), that provides some unique experiences. In my opinion they were the ones who kicked off the idea of the cinematic, felt, sound design pianos that we have seen other developers take inspiration from.
I hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
@@PraiseTracks Wisdom right there. Yes sometimes i get stuck and ask myself which is better, for what i do it seems Noire does the job and una corda aswell. There is only one patch i like from keyscape C7 grand and its the Wash Preset which is lovely.
Which piano would you say sounds best for a band context? e.g. jazz fusion, Steely Dan. I'm leaning towards either the Steinway or Bösendorfer.
The Yamaha has that signature "bite" to it. You can always use the tone shifting to sculpt the tone a little more. The Steinway has a classic warm tone, and the Bosendorfer has a big sound at times with the slightest sheen on some of the upper ranges.
17:56 Is it a song or an improvisation?
It sounds like an improv variation on a jazz or ragtime turnaround progression. 🤓
I might have been heading toward The Entertainer by Scott Joplin 😎
@@PraiseTracks It’s very nice anyway! You'll have to think about making us a compilation of what you do... 😁 Otherwise, Ivory 3 is now available on Windows in addition to Mac, have you tested it? Uwe Karcher made some demos, it sounds really good...
Oh wow, I had not heard the news concerning Ivory 3, I will definitely look into seeing if I can get a copy for review. Stay tuned!
I've been checking out IK's libraries since the 90s. I found them kind of thin and plastic sounding, and every few years I check in with some new offering to see if they've gotten better. And nope, in this case it's still the same, IMO. Disappointing...don't know why I even bother Lol Great playing as always, Simeon!
Jake, thanks so much for watching and for the honest feedback. It is very hard to nail down the exact quality of sounds that to some users sound absolutely stunning and others have the polar opposite effect.
One of the main goals for me and the channel is that since I have access to such a wide range of developers and instruments is to just play them and offer my real time reactions to showcase as many of the sounds as I can. This allows everyone at least to have the opportunity to hear the instruments and to see how the sound hits them. Whether it is in a positive or negative way, there is truly no right or wrong answer as each of us respond to the world around us in so many different ways.
I also encourage viewers to check out the instrument for themselves if there is a demo available, that way they can make an even more informed decision whether an instrument might be right for them.
Another thing to remember, I never try to shade things one way or another, I just play, that is why I enjoy livestreams so much as things happen in the moment (good or bad).
Again, thanks so much for watching. My journey will continue to explore the strange new worlds that we are introduced to through an ever-expanding universe of virtual instruments. Joyfully yours, Simeon.
@@PraiseTracks So true about it being very subjective. And to your point about demos - this has become a dealbreaker for me. These days I won't consider a purchase unless I can demo it myself. It's too easy to be sold on an instrument (based on sound alone) because a great player like yourself can make anything sound amazing...I've been burned a few times when I actually receive the product and am disappointed because it doesn't work for me in the playability department, even though it sounded great on their audio demos. This is why, for example, I recently chose the VSL CFX over Garritan...everybody talks about how great the Garritan is, but they don't offer a way to try the product, so it's just too much of a risk for me. And man, the VSL is an absolute joy to play (I'm now saying the same about the new Pianoteq Bosendorfer)!
Again, I appreciate the clear and respectful feedback, you hit on so many great points. Thanks so much. 🙏🏻
Instant no buy.
Im fact you cant buy it.
They have a forever rent model.
$100 a year thats a $1000 ten years $2000, twenty yrars.
You stop paying and then you cannot use it..terribly greedy$!!!
You can buy each individual piano outright. The subscription gets you all of the models plus any upcoming new ones.
@@midinotes oops my bad thanks fir the clarification I did not see that when I went to their site.
Its probably real expensive and there is tons of competition like ivory native instruments and a dozen others.
And personally I hate the subscription model for software you won nothing even after years of paying van not sale or trade anything.
You dont even get a disk or usb thumbdrive for some products.
They expect you to download everything after paying hundreds.
And some even insist you buy the copy protection dongle in addition and have the internet available because you are guilty until they prove you are nit unfortunately.
Don't get me wrong that's almost everyone today even games are getting that way and anytime they can deauthorize you or go out if business MD you are left to yourself with a subscription to non where.
Rant over🤔😊❤️
Not digging the sound of these. Sound like keyboard pianos from the 90s.