Brother, THANK YOU, for this. You didn't just turn your camera on and started babbling. You broke it down to where, even a 6th grader can comprehend everything about this camera and make a decision, if this camera is for them or not. I respect creators like you. You do not talk out of emotion. You present logic break down anyone can follow. Take it from me, a cinematographer with over 20 years experience in cinematography and over 8 feature films under my belt, this is the best Pyxis breakdown I've seen since this camera was announced. I look forward to seeing what content you'll create with it. Respect!
Thanks so much, we do our best to let the facts speak for themselves. We're going to follow up with another video after we've had some time to shoot with the camera and collect some proper thoughts. We appreciate you watching and commenting.
I totally agree with you. One of the things I really love from this channel is that they are respectful of the viewer. No wasted time and only information that’s relevant and important.
T2F's great explanations and teaching are why I highly recommend their DaVinci Resolve for Editors course. Not that you probably need it with your experience, but you talked about how well they explain and break it down. I'm a hugely happy customer and always look forward to when These2Friendly people share their knowledge with us.
Actually, 12 bit gives 64 times more precise color info than 10 bit, because it is per channel, so we are speaking of 36 bits vs 30 bits per pixel. And it's 4096 times more info than 8 bit, which is amazing imo
Yeah, that's technically true. Although there is a danger of getting into the world of 'creative statistics' 🤣 I think it's better to be conservative as there are a lot of scenarios where you won't see those gains. And having three channels affects chromatic resolution, but does not have the same impact on tonal resolution. Either way, it's a lot of quality packed into an incredibly priced camera! Thanks for watching and commenting.
60P/ 10 bit colors from C200 raw give way, way better colors than many 12 bits camera. I haved make my own test. Yes 12 bits is better than 10 bits but, you need to test your real workflow from start to finish. Many old camera 12 and 16 bits give today less pictures-quality than a "solid" 10 bits. color-depth is just one parameter. 8bit is just like JPEG : you just need a perfect exposure from start for good result, and doing NO post process. (sorry for my poor english)
I just wish Blackmagic will enter in the AutoFocus game someday. Now whe have a S5iix With a Blackmagic Video Assist. Great Output, after the last update the AF it's outstanding...... but a terrible user experience, having a BMPCC 6k with AF integrated OMG WHAT a dream, even for 1k more. Not a necessity for most people, but I'm so tired of using Mirrorles Hybrid cameras when whe have no other option then using the AF.
I sold a 6K pro because the form factor was crap and no AF. I bought the iPhone 15 Pro max with the Black magic app, so I get the best of all worlds. When you have an AF that works with LIDAR - you won't ever go back
@@Mr_Kenneth yes but professionaly waving af AF build in in the camera, with an external motor.. OMG even for 1000USD they will sell it a lot.. I'll never understand why they don't do it.. Blackamgic makes allways some strange things, example: PYXIS with fixed screen... whyyyyyyyyy? aske me more money but give me an integrated tilting screen PLEASE. In the first period maybe tilta will meke a mod for it, I can probably bet on that
The Lumix S5iiX is actually just a way better Pyxis when you combine it with a Cineback cage. Plus it has ZERO record time limits when you set the [thermal management] to high. Its full frame. you can record in BRAW with a BM 12G video assist at 12bit 6k 24fps and 4k 60fps. Combine that with the best image stabilization on the market (5 axis internal) and really decent autofocus. So yeah I would say you guys were being a little dishonest when you mentioned the S5iiX. it's much better then the Pyxis in more ways than one.
eh, the S5IIx might be my favorite camera ever made, but it has its limitations, when using the Video Assist 12G isn't it limited to 4k DCI or UHD? That negates the benefits of getting 6k Open Gate... I think it's auto-focus is a hair behind Sony but excellent, and its stabilization is best in class. It is disappointing though that when recording 6k Open Gate internally, you have to go down to 4:2:0. It definitely can do things the Pyxis can't, but I wouldn't say it's better across the board. I would say the same thing about the Sony ZV-E1, it can record 4k 120p, which the Pyxis can't, is much smaller and lighter, and also has probably the best auto-focus with very good stabilization. So, I think it kind of goes back to the first part of the video where there are features that are nice to have and features that are necessary, and that varies based on the person and the job. I am curious if there are bad moire issues with the Pyxis, which was an issue that I saw on the S5IIx. So, I would agree with you that the S5IIx is better than the Pyxis in a few ways (auto-focus, stabilization, etc), but the Pyxis is better than it in a few different ways (IO, mounting points, internal recording, chroma subsampling). I definitely agree that the S5IIx is the better camera for most people (it's hybrid), but I think the Pyxis might be the best camera for a smaller niche.
A truly excellent overview, great work! It looks a big improvement in so many ways. Well priced too. It's funny to see so many of the plus points being features of the now near 4-year old Z Cam E2F6. I've used one for 3 years, a fab work horse, and a great tool for what I need. It was good enough for Wong Kar-Wai on a recent production = more than good enough for me 😉 I think the Pyxis should work well with the F6 + a Video Assist, and I may get one. A shame BM didn't use a swappable mount though, a big plus of Kinefinity and Z Cam. Love that it has SDI, not too sure about the batteries though. Yet more e-waste to invest in. There must be a reason not to go with NPF...? Really looking forward to seeing your footage!
The S5 II (x) can accommodate 12-bit BRAW (with the BM 12G Assist) I would say that this is a very strong argument in itself and in conjunction with all the other functions it has ...
I don't know how you could forget the MAIN flaw of this camera : the absence of internal ND. That is an instant dealbreaker, at least for me. This is part of the absolute necessary options for me. And having the FX6, it would be hard to leave their variable ND technology (but i could for a pyxis with internal ND, AF capability like at sony, 120fps4K without crop, and 2K 240fps, dual iso with the high iso being 12800, and same DR than FX6... well, i'll probably stay at sony for a decade... but i'm waiting for the perfect camera of BMD ! i'm sure it will come, theyre getting close !).
I really like the points you made. Products are about striking a balance between needed and nice to have. The features the Pyxis 6K delivers such as Ethernet, true 6K FF, industry standard connection ports, streaming capabilities, and the modular rigging ability is such a good value proposition and will make creatives be excited to pick it up and shoot.
Leon, what is the xyla21 based dynamic range for this camera compared to the bmcc 6k ff? The actual clean stops above the noise floor. Couldn't find any for this camera.
Amazing explanation. I love my BMPCC 6K. It pushed my limitation to become a cinematographer. Gave me lot of hard times at first but it was my great step to buy my BMPCC. Looking forward to buy PYXIS
Awesome video, loved how you pointed out in that first section about how it's really matching what you need with what is offered. If you want to do sports, this is probably not a great fit, but for the right person/job this is just a perfect camera. I would say that S5IIx doesn't have record limits (at least that is what I thought), but I think you can only get 4k BRaw out of the video assist, which negates the benefit of 6k Open Gate to some extent. So, then if you want to compare 6k Open Gate, you are comparing 10 bit 4:2:0 vs 12 bit BRAW. I do think the S5IIx is probably the best comparison, maybe an in depth comparison would be cool to see. I think being a hybrid the S5IIx might have more broad appeal, but if you want to lean more towards cine workflows, than the Pyxis might excel in that area. Both are really great cameras. Another great review, Leon. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the Pyxis content :)
As always, the best videos in UA-cam. Informative, elegant, right information… all substance no fluff. Looking forward to the next video. I would love to have one of this cameras. Exactly what I need. You gave everyone of the reasons why is perfect for my needs. Thanks.
Thanks for the fascinating review. Before Blackmagic took over Fairlight, they made audio workstations like the Xynergi used in post-production. Fairlight made an "add-on" called "PYXIS", a collection of PCIe cards with the host being an HP Z400/800s PC workstation. These were used to store/lock up the Video with the audio workstations, and they used Decklink cards. Seeing this fantastic camera, the wheel has turned full circle. "A pyxis is a cylindrical box with a separate lid and no handles. It was used in ancient times to store cosmetics, jewellery, and other small items. Physicians also used pyxides to store medicine, and they were used to dispense incense."
I really drool over these pro camera reviews even though they are way above my skill set. What's nice is that the body is a sensible price compared to my consumer cameras Panasonic's GH6, G9m2 and similar. But then I have to add on the extras and that bubble bursts very quickly. You are basically selling a Gateway Drug to empty my bank account. 🤣 Its really good to see somebody take on Sony, Canon and RED for that matter at their own game. What are your thoughts on the DJI Ronin 4D camera please? They, too, are thinking out of the box for camera form factor.
I'd suggest L mount for most people. You can always adapt L to EF. But you can't adapt EF to anything else. I think a lot of people are going to want to buy an adapter with integrated ND too.
@@team2films Do you think using an adapter to PL on Pyxis L-mount is strong enough so it's not necessary to get the native PL version of the Pyxis? I am planning to use PL lenses 60-70% of the time but would like to have the L-mount option too, unless the PL adapter compromises the stiffness of the connection. What are your thoughts?
There's a lock button and you can always cover the screen with gaff tape :) But seriously... I've heard others ask about this too. There's lots of legitimate workflows where there's good reason to turn the screen off. I think there is a good chance this is something we will see Blackmagic add through a firmware update.
@@team2films I believe there is already an auto dimming feature built into the BM camera / software. this i can comfirm witht he Pocket as for the pyxis i would assume it the same - so answer is yes but i dont think you can turn it off. and i think when it on it is in goes back on. bit hard to say realy cause i can see the monitor will and external monitor will need their own control on brightness. I dont think you they should allow it to be turned off cause should somehting happen to the monitor you woun't be able to access the camera unless you have bluetooth / wifi control access on. so they should allow indepent dimming to 1% but not 0%. just incase.
@@zoetmoments5625 Yeah, that's a valid point. I'm sure they'll take those things into consideration with any solution they implement. I'll check out the dimming while I am using the camera though. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@team2films I too can imagine a few situations (live shooting etc) where it would be advantageous to shut it off. Let's see what BM does. Thanks for the reply. 👍
Kind of interesting that Sony and BMD have have come together to have BlackMagic Raw out of the FX9 and FX6 to their external recorder. Still is frustrating that 3:2 isn't more of a standard on "mid" range cameras from Canon and Sony.
Yeah, that's a great move especially as there is such poor support for the alternative... apple pro res raw. 3:2 is such a big thing for us when we look at cameras. Excited to get out there and start shooting with the PYXIS :) Thanks for watching and commenting.
Heya Frank. Thanks so much, we always love to make the videos as accurate as possible. Some comments about what you mentioned… 1. In the timeline, DaVinci is actually 32 bit float…. Not 16 bit. 2. I don’t think that the camera is 16-bit internally. In fact I don’t think there are any true 16 bit cameras commercially available. Most sensors work in 12 or 10 bit and interpolate the higher bit depths that are recorded in the codec. I’d need to do some more research on that though before committing to that. 3. I think we will do a dedicated video about bit depth because sometimes people think 16-bit linear is better than 12-bit log. It’s not. As log is more efficient it doesn’t require as much bit depth, so it’s actually very comparable to 16-bit linear. If I’ve misunderstood anything, please say! Or if I need correction, don’t hesitate. It’s great to have you here.
@@team2films There are a lot of myths about bit-depth, it would be great if you can make a video clarifying this topic. Thanks for educating the community with your elegant and excellent videos.
This is the only video I've seen about this camera, and I don't regret doing so. Thank you for all the details and info. I have the 6KFF, and I have to say it's a great camera with a great sensor. I also have to say that a few months ago, I purchased a used OG Komodo 6K, and it makes it hard for me to use the BM6KFF, lol. Love your video about the KX! You look like the cool Neo inside the Nebuchadnezzar with that sweater! Cheers!
Just one on Price, I feel it is a bit misleading to be said it is THAT afforadable, as the base price of box cameras are generally not the full price. Now not even 5 years ago a ff cine camera for sub 3k people would say your crazy and even as a wedding shooter this has been very, very tempting though for the final price that I found other competing cameras come in and well clinch it for me. Which is a bit annoying as I feel that BMD is probably a system that would benefit me a lot almost for your exact reasons. Though in this case it doesnt work for me. Maybe if they make a cheaper s35 one I may be able to move over, that also said I think the weight once rigged is a bit much for how I shoot.
Hey, yeah good point. Finished systems always cost more…. But… remember the PYXIS monitor is less than £400. Red’s monitor costs about £3000. So monitor and camera costs around £3000. We appreciate that’s still a good chunk of change… but compared to the competition it’s amazing! If you want that same sensor but for less money buy the BMCC6K. It comes with a monitor already and requires no additional rigging to start using. Or if you want to go even cheaper buy a PCC4K and a speed booster, that will give you a s35 image. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@team2films absolutely the pricing is great and now they have the monitor it's exceptional value. I honestly wouldn't reject that claim! Especially compared to that end of the market. It's coming in less than a c100and my only negatives about this camera is one XLR port and then I'd wish for open gate 60! (We can dream) The bmcc6k is discontinued and it eventually lead me down a rabbit hole with getting a c200. I know but of an odd choice though for weddings and events 4k60 raw and super affordable. While also only being about 1.5kg rigged as you only really need a lens and sometimes a monitor. While the pocket 4k I just couldn't use as an acam and again once rigged the cost and weight is not great, for me at least. But having internal NDs now is really a mind off
today, there is just two big things to distinct "cinema camera" from hybrid camera : form factor / ergonomics , and ND filters. That all, in fact. because you can rig a hybrid camera like a cinema camera, exept for ergonomic and ND internal. you can pick-up maybe a panasonic "S" line camera ( example) and filming Braw with that, for top-notch quality pictures.
"I don't think there's a cleaner or easier interface" - Er, yeah there is. Arri. So this is clearly not a very objective or honest review. How much are Blackmagic paying you to make this?
Hahah! Not being paid anything to make this. Our apologies that the video didn't include Arri in that roundup. Arri's interface is great too, it's so clean! But Blackmagic's menu system is pretty swish! Definitely beats Sony and Canon. And to be fair, the Alexa35 and PYXIS are in slightly different price categories. Thanks for watching and commenting. Great to have you here.
I really think the DJI Focus Pro is a game changer in that regard, as most cine lenses don't support AF anyway. Definitely adds to the cost, but seems like a perfect fit with the Pyxis, lidar based AF that works with every lens? Sounds awesome. Definitely pushes the package even further out of my price range.
the Z Cam e2 f6 with a video assist, and you have several locking mount's to choose from. + you find them used almost full rigged for about 2000 - 2500 euro's 😊
you butcher sony for having 17:9 sensor and 1 minute later you praise the high frame rates on this camera that only work on 17:9 .... how can you not see the irony mate? then i stopped watching cause those stuff show me you are not at all objective, bye
Hello! Thanks so much for watching. We appreciate you commenting too. Here’s some thoughts. We’re not butchering Sony, we’re just using them as an example. Many other brands call non 3:2 sensors ‘full frame’, canon included. When Blackmagic, Sony and Canon all use the same term to market their sensor but yet are all referring to something different, it’s helpful to point that out for consumers. If you’re happy with a 17:9 sensor, Sony and Canon have some awesome options. You’d be very welcome to watch our video we recently produced on the Burano. We talk at length about it’s strengths and weaknesses: ua-cam.com/video/fILCIdT8csM/v-deo.htmlsi=jStkwl9ivQwzojRW Technically the Burano has a 3:2 sensor but I think because of the design of its ND system it will only ever be able to shoot 17:9. As regards the praise for the PYXIS’s frame rates at 17:9…. It wasn’t so much praise more like indifference. The C400 can do 120fps using nearly the whole sensor. But the PYXIS’s 48fps is good enough for most people. That’s all we were saying. As many people don’t have the budget for more expensive cameras it’s nice to send the message that it’s good enough! I hope that helps, thanks so much for watching. Both the PYXIS and Sony Burano have limited high speed options.
@@RavikantRai21490 money is not an issue on this type of cameras, maybe you missed the fact that Pyxis needs the external monitor in order to be used as a proper camera, but ohh hell, fanboys everywhere
@sardanapalos what are you on about? Money does matter. This camera will not be bought in bulk by Columbia Pictures. It will be bought by indie filmmakers and small to medium sized studios. Has nothing to do with "fanboys". So yes it does matter that the Burano is 10x more expensive. Are you deliberately being obtuse?
At 05:40, the wrong prices are shown for the PYXIS, the correct prices are:
L-Mount and EF-Mount £2325 (ex VAT)
PL Mount £2425 (ex VAT)
Big respect for the upfront transparency 👍👍
Brother, THANK YOU, for this. You didn't just turn your camera on and started babbling. You broke it down to where, even a 6th grader can comprehend everything about this camera and make a decision, if this camera is for them or not. I respect creators like you. You do not talk out of emotion. You present logic break down anyone can follow. Take it from me, a cinematographer with over 20 years experience in cinematography and over 8 feature films under my belt, this is the best Pyxis breakdown I've seen since this camera was announced. I look forward to seeing what content you'll create with it. Respect!
Thanks so much, we do our best to let the facts speak for themselves. We're going to follow up with another video after we've had some time to shoot with the camera and collect some proper thoughts. We appreciate you watching and commenting.
I totally agree with you. One of the things I really love from this channel is that they are respectful of the viewer. No wasted time and only information that’s relevant and important.
T2F's great explanations and teaching are why I highly recommend their DaVinci Resolve for Editors course.
Not that you probably need it with your experience, but you talked about how well they explain and break it down. I'm a hugely happy customer and always look forward to when These2Friendly people share their knowledge with us.
Yes, same sensor, but better thermal design. The Sony FX6 makes skin look bad.
Great vid! What are you using as pl adapter for the Arles lenses?
Always the best videos, thank you!
Any chance you will be reviewing the URSA Cine 12k?
Thank-you Barry. Yes, we definitely plan to cover the Cine 12k. There’s so much to talk about. We just need to work out the scheduling.
Greate review. Still...plenty of films were made with just a handycam or even a smart phone; Story is number one then the camera.
Actually, 12 bit gives 64 times more precise color info than 10 bit, because it is per channel, so we are speaking of 36 bits vs 30 bits per pixel. And it's 4096 times more info than 8 bit, which is amazing imo
Yeah, that's technically true. Although there is a danger of getting into the world of 'creative statistics' 🤣 I think it's better to be conservative as there are a lot of scenarios where you won't see those gains. And having three channels affects chromatic resolution, but does not have the same impact on tonal resolution.
Either way, it's a lot of quality packed into an incredibly priced camera! Thanks for watching and commenting.
60P/ 10 bit colors from C200 raw give way, way better colors than many 12 bits camera. I haved make my own test. Yes 12 bits is better than 10 bits but, you need to test your real workflow from start to finish. Many old camera 12 and 16 bits give today less pictures-quality than a "solid" 10 bits. color-depth is just one parameter. 8bit is just like JPEG : you just need a perfect exposure from start for good result, and doing NO post process. (sorry for my poor english)
Yet another amazing video for an amazing camera. Thanks Leon & Natalie!
I just wish Blackmagic will enter in the AutoFocus game someday. Now whe have a S5iix With a Blackmagic Video Assist. Great Output, after the last update the AF it's outstanding...... but a terrible user experience, having a BMPCC 6k with AF integrated OMG WHAT a dream, even for 1k more. Not a necessity for most people, but I'm so tired of using Mirrorles Hybrid cameras when whe have no other option then using the AF.
I sold a 6K pro because the form factor was crap and no AF. I bought the iPhone 15 Pro max with the Black magic app, so I get the best of all worlds. When you have an AF that works with LIDAR - you won't ever go back
@@Mr_Kenneth yes but professionaly waving af AF build in in the camera, with an external motor.. OMG even for 1000USD they will sell it a lot.. I'll never understand why they don't do it.. Blackamgic makes allways some strange things, example: PYXIS with fixed screen... whyyyyyyyyy? aske me more money but give me an integrated tilting screen PLEASE. In the first period maybe tilta will meke a mod for it, I can probably bet on that
The Lumix S5iiX is actually just a way better Pyxis when you combine it with a Cineback cage. Plus it has ZERO record time limits when you set the [thermal management] to high. Its full frame. you can record in BRAW with a BM 12G video assist at 12bit 6k 24fps and 4k 60fps. Combine that with the best image stabilization on the market (5 axis internal) and really decent autofocus. So yeah I would say you guys were being a little dishonest when you mentioned the S5iiX. it's much better then the Pyxis in more ways than one.
eh, the S5IIx might be my favorite camera ever made, but it has its limitations, when using the Video Assist 12G isn't it limited to 4k DCI or UHD? That negates the benefits of getting 6k Open Gate...
I think it's auto-focus is a hair behind Sony but excellent, and its stabilization is best in class. It is disappointing though that when recording 6k Open Gate internally, you have to go down to 4:2:0.
It definitely can do things the Pyxis can't, but I wouldn't say it's better across the board. I would say the same thing about the Sony ZV-E1, it can record 4k 120p, which the Pyxis can't, is much smaller and lighter, and also has probably the best auto-focus with very good stabilization.
So, I think it kind of goes back to the first part of the video where there are features that are nice to have and features that are necessary, and that varies based on the person and the job.
I am curious if there are bad moire issues with the Pyxis, which was an issue that I saw on the S5IIx.
So, I would agree with you that the S5IIx is better than the Pyxis in a few ways (auto-focus, stabilization, etc), but the Pyxis is better than it in a few different ways (IO, mounting points, internal recording, chroma subsampling). I definitely agree that the S5IIx is the better camera for most people (it's hybrid), but I think the Pyxis might be the best camera for a smaller niche.
Great summary about cameras in general. Salute.
Personally I will stick to my Urse Mini Pro as the upgrade wouldn't change much for me.
A truly excellent overview, great work! It looks a big improvement in so many ways. Well priced too.
It's funny to see so many of the plus points being features of the now near 4-year old Z Cam E2F6. I've used one for 3 years, a fab work horse, and a great tool for what I need. It was good enough for Wong Kar-Wai on a recent production = more than good enough for me 😉
I think the Pyxis should work well with the F6 + a Video Assist, and I may get one. A shame BM didn't use a swappable mount though, a big plus of Kinefinity and Z Cam.
Love that it has SDI, not too sure about the batteries though. Yet more e-waste to invest in. There must be a reason not to go with NPF...?
Really looking forward to seeing your footage!
The S5 II (x) can accommodate 12-bit BRAW (with the BM 12G Assist) I would say that this is a very strong argument in itself and in conjunction with all the other functions it has ...
Just pressed play and I'm pumped to dive in 💪
Thanks so much Patrick! You’ve made my morning :)
I don't know how you could forget the MAIN flaw of this camera : the absence of internal ND. That is an instant dealbreaker, at least for me. This is part of the absolute necessary options for me. And having the FX6, it would be hard to leave their variable ND technology (but i could for a pyxis with internal ND, AF capability like at sony, 120fps4K without crop, and 2K 240fps, dual iso with the high iso being 12800, and same DR than FX6... well, i'll probably stay at sony for a decade... but i'm waiting for the perfect camera of BMD ! i'm sure it will come, theyre getting close !).
I really like the points you made. Products are about striking a balance between needed and nice to have. The features the Pyxis 6K delivers such as Ethernet, true 6K FF, industry standard connection ports, streaming capabilities, and the modular rigging ability is such a good value proposition and will make creatives be excited to pick it up and shoot.
Leon, what is the xyla21 based dynamic range for this camera compared to the bmcc 6k ff? The actual clean stops above the noise floor. Couldn't find any for this camera.
Amazing explanation. I love my BMPCC 6K. It pushed my limitation to become a cinematographer. Gave me lot of hard times at first but it was my great step to buy my BMPCC. Looking forward to buy PYXIS
I've always hated the OG pocket cam's form factor. the
Pyxis is def a step up!
The Pyxis is a great Cine cam and super versatile! Would love to see the low light capabilities!
We'll make sure we get some tests. Thanks so much for watching.
Awesome video, loved how you pointed out in that first section about how it's really matching what you need with what is offered. If you want to do sports, this is probably not a great fit, but for the right person/job this is just a perfect camera.
I would say that S5IIx doesn't have record limits (at least that is what I thought), but I think you can only get 4k BRaw out of the video assist, which negates the benefit of 6k Open Gate to some extent. So, then if you want to compare 6k Open Gate, you are comparing 10 bit 4:2:0 vs 12 bit BRAW. I do think the S5IIx is probably the best comparison, maybe an in depth comparison would be cool to see. I think being a hybrid the S5IIx might have more broad appeal, but if you want to lean more towards cine workflows, than the Pyxis might excel in that area. Both are really great cameras.
Another great review, Leon. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the Pyxis content :)
As always, the best videos in UA-cam. Informative, elegant, right information… all substance no fluff.
Looking forward to the next video.
I would love to have one of this cameras. Exactly what I need. You gave everyone of the reasons why is perfect for my needs.
Thanks.
Thanks for the fascinating review. Before Blackmagic took over Fairlight, they made audio workstations like the Xynergi used in post-production.
Fairlight made an "add-on" called "PYXIS", a collection of PCIe cards with the host being an HP Z400/800s PC workstation. These were used to store/lock up the Video with the audio workstations, and they used Decklink cards. Seeing this fantastic camera, the wheel has turned full circle.
"A pyxis is a cylindrical box with a separate lid and no handles. It was used in ancient times to store cosmetics, jewellery, and other small items. Physicians also used pyxides to store medicine, and they were used to dispense incense."
Awsome video! This really broke down what to expect from this beast of a camera. Greetings
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it.
I really drool over these pro camera reviews even though they are way above my skill set. What's nice is that the body is a sensible price compared to my consumer cameras Panasonic's GH6, G9m2 and similar. But then I have to add on the extras and that bubble bursts very quickly. You are basically selling a Gateway Drug to empty my bank account. 🤣
Its really good to see somebody take on Sony, Canon and RED for that matter at their own game.
What are your thoughts on the DJI Ronin 4D camera please?
They, too, are thinking out of the box for camera form factor.
Love the break down! Great video as always!
Thanks so much
great review! Qs, what would be the better options? L mount or EF mount?
I'd suggest L mount for most people. You can always adapt L to EF. But you can't adapt EF to anything else.
I think a lot of people are going to want to buy an adapter with integrated ND too.
@@team2films Do you think using an adapter to PL on Pyxis L-mount is strong enough so it's not necessary to get the native PL version of the Pyxis? I am planning to use PL lenses 60-70% of the time but would like to have the L-mount option too, unless the PL adapter compromises the stiffness of the connection. What are your thoughts?
Im gonna get pyxies before getting a komodo
great content, i just found this channel!
Thanks for the video. Is it possible to deactivate or completely dim the side monitor screen when using the forthcoming external monitor? Thanks.
There's a lock button and you can always cover the screen with gaff tape :)
But seriously... I've heard others ask about this too. There's lots of legitimate workflows where there's good reason to turn the screen off. I think there is a good chance this is something we will see Blackmagic add through a firmware update.
@@team2films I believe there is already an auto dimming feature built into the BM camera / software. this i can comfirm witht he Pocket as for the pyxis i would assume it the same - so answer is yes but i dont think you can turn it off. and i think when it on it is in goes back on. bit hard to say realy cause i can see the monitor will and external monitor will need their own control on brightness.
I dont think you they should allow it to be turned off cause should somehting happen to the monitor you woun't be able to access the camera unless you have bluetooth / wifi control access on.
so they should allow indepent dimming to 1% but not 0%. just incase.
@@zoetmoments5625 Yeah, that's a valid point. I'm sure they'll take those things into consideration with any solution they implement. I'll check out the dimming while I am using the camera though. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@team2films I too can imagine a few situations (live shooting etc) where it would be advantageous to shut it off. Let's see what BM does. Thanks for the reply. 👍
The value for money of this new body is in-sane.
Kind of interesting that Sony and BMD have have come together to have BlackMagic Raw out of the FX9 and FX6 to their external recorder. Still is frustrating that 3:2 isn't more of a standard on "mid" range cameras from Canon and Sony.
Yeah, that's a great move especially as there is such poor support for the alternative... apple pro res raw.
3:2 is such a big thing for us when we look at cameras. Excited to get out there and start shooting with the PYXIS :)
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I would like to see ISO comparison against the 6kPro (Not FF version) Also dynamic range tests compared to the Ursa.
same as 6K FF : not as good as 6kpro s35. especially at high iso. there is many benchmark about this.
Great video. Thank you
Thanks Joussef
An Ursa mini is better worth it than this camera
For the record: like all BM cameras it's 16 bit linear - the 12 bit is just in the log container, but in the timeline you get the full 16 bit.
Heya Frank. Thanks so much, we always love to make the videos as accurate as possible.
Some comments about what you mentioned…
1. In the timeline, DaVinci is actually 32 bit float…. Not 16 bit.
2. I don’t think that the camera is 16-bit internally. In fact I don’t think there are any true 16 bit cameras commercially available. Most sensors work in 12 or 10 bit and interpolate the higher bit depths that are recorded in the codec. I’d need to do some more research on that though before committing to that.
3. I think we will do a dedicated video about bit depth because sometimes people think 16-bit linear is better than 12-bit log. It’s not. As log is more efficient it doesn’t require as much bit depth, so it’s actually very comparable to 16-bit linear.
If I’ve misunderstood anything, please say! Or if I need correction, don’t hesitate. It’s great to have you here.
@@team2films 32-bit-float normally refers to audio not video.
@@team2films There are a lot of myths about bit-depth, it would be great if you can make a video clarifying this topic. Thanks for educating the community with your elegant and excellent videos.
This is the only video I've seen about this camera, and I don't regret doing so. Thank you for all the details and info. I have the 6KFF, and I have to say it's a great camera with a great sensor. I also have to say that a few months ago, I purchased a used OG Komodo 6K, and it makes it hard for me to use the BM6KFF, lol. Love your video about the KX! You look like the cool Neo inside the Nebuchadnezzar with that sweater! Cheers!
based on your experience with both cameras, which image do you prefer? BM 6K FF or Komodo OG? (just in terms of pure image quality)
@@phrasalsyntax The Komodo! Don't tell Blackmagic Design, lol
Z Cam F6, F6 pro, and F6 mark 2
$3000 for body at BH
It's really cool.
Just one on Price, I feel it is a bit misleading to be said it is THAT afforadable, as the base price of box cameras are generally not the full price. Now not even 5 years ago a ff cine camera for sub 3k people would say your crazy and even as a wedding shooter this has been very, very tempting though for the final price that I found other competing cameras come in and well clinch it for me. Which is a bit annoying as I feel that BMD is probably a system that would benefit me a lot almost for your exact reasons. Though in this case it doesnt work for me. Maybe if they make a cheaper s35 one I may be able to move over, that also said I think the weight once rigged is a bit much for how I shoot.
Hey, yeah good point. Finished systems always cost more…. But… remember the PYXIS monitor is less than £400. Red’s monitor costs about £3000. So monitor and camera costs around £3000. We appreciate that’s still a good chunk of change… but compared to the competition it’s amazing!
If you want that same sensor but for less money buy the BMCC6K. It comes with a monitor already and requires no additional rigging to start using.
Or if you want to go even cheaper buy a PCC4K and a speed booster, that will give you a s35 image.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@team2films absolutely the pricing is great and now they have the monitor it's exceptional value. I honestly wouldn't reject that claim! Especially compared to that end of the market. It's coming in less than a c100and my only negatives about this camera is one XLR port and then I'd wish for open gate 60! (We can dream)
The bmcc6k is discontinued and it eventually lead me down a rabbit hole with getting a c200. I know but of an odd choice though for weddings and events 4k60 raw and super affordable. While also only being about 1.5kg rigged as you only really need a lens and sometimes a monitor.
While the pocket 4k I just couldn't use as an acam and again once rigged the cost and weight is not great, for me at least. But having internal NDs now is really a mind off
today, there is just two big things to distinct "cinema camera" from hybrid camera : form factor / ergonomics , and ND filters. That all, in fact. because you can rig a hybrid camera like a cinema camera, exept for ergonomic and ND internal. you can pick-up maybe a panasonic "S" line camera ( example) and filming Braw with that, for top-notch quality pictures.
Thank you
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"I don't think there's a cleaner or easier interface" - Er, yeah there is. Arri. So this is clearly not a very objective or honest review. How much are Blackmagic paying you to make this?
Hahah! Not being paid anything to make this. Our apologies that the video didn't include Arri in that roundup.
Arri's interface is great too, it's so clean! But Blackmagic's menu system is pretty swish! Definitely beats Sony and Canon. And to be fair, the Alexa35 and PYXIS are in slightly different price categories.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Great to have you here.
Bro this is the most hater comment lol. Dawg it’s an interface that’s the same on all Blackmagic cams lol. Just go use an arri
Stop being a hater go buy iphone I think that will make you happy😉
what an infantile comment, like a ten years-old complaining to his parents for an unsubstantial matter
me looking at a camera that's way out of my price range: no autofocus? DEALBREAKER
You'll be rudely awakened when you dive into the cinema and broadcast world where camera bodies themselves are well over $20G😂😂
@@ChrisParayno i'm aware
I really think the DJI Focus Pro is a game changer in that regard, as most cine lenses don't support AF anyway. Definitely adds to the cost, but seems like a perfect fit with the Pyxis, lidar based AF that works with every lens? Sounds awesome.
Definitely pushes the package even further out of my price range.
the Z Cam e2 f6 with a video assist, and you have several locking mount's to choose from. + you find them used almost full rigged for about 2000 - 2500 euro's 😊
That's a great option for sure.
yes, there is many options today, for around same price.
you butcher sony for having 17:9 sensor and 1 minute later you praise the high frame rates on this camera that only work on 17:9 .... how can you not see the irony mate? then i stopped watching cause those stuff show me you are not at all objective, bye
Maybe you missed the part where he stated the fact that the Sony is significantly more expensive.
Hello! Thanks so much for watching. We appreciate you commenting too. Here’s some thoughts.
We’re not butchering Sony, we’re just using them as an example. Many other brands call non 3:2 sensors ‘full frame’, canon included. When Blackmagic, Sony and Canon all use the same term to market their sensor but yet are all referring to something different, it’s helpful to point that out for consumers. If you’re happy with a 17:9 sensor, Sony and Canon have some awesome options.
You’d be very welcome to watch our video we recently produced on the Burano. We talk at length about it’s strengths and weaknesses: ua-cam.com/video/fILCIdT8csM/v-deo.htmlsi=jStkwl9ivQwzojRW
Technically the Burano has a 3:2 sensor but I think because of the design of its ND system it will only ever be able to shoot 17:9.
As regards the praise for the PYXIS’s frame rates at 17:9…. It wasn’t so much praise more like indifference. The C400 can do 120fps using nearly the whole sensor. But the PYXIS’s 48fps is good enough for most people. That’s all we were saying. As many people don’t have the budget for more expensive cameras it’s nice to send the message that it’s good enough!
I hope that helps, thanks so much for watching.
Both the PYXIS and Sony Burano have limited high speed options.
@@team2films looool, you still didn't get the irony i guess, anyway hope you sell as much as your soul needs mate, good day
@@RavikantRai21490 money is not an issue on this type of cameras, maybe you missed the fact that Pyxis needs the external monitor in order to be used as a proper camera, but ohh hell, fanboys everywhere
@sardanapalos what are you on about? Money does matter. This camera will not be bought in bulk by Columbia Pictures. It will be bought by indie filmmakers and small to medium sized studios. Has nothing to do with "fanboys". So yes it does matter that the Burano is 10x more expensive. Are you deliberately being obtuse?
What about rolling shutter?
Rolling shutter can be fixed using Davinci Resolve!
@@Filmmaker593 Thats no good
@@gabriel7556 Have you even try it?
You should watch the video. It has the exact same sensor readout as the Sony Burano at the same aspect ratio. But it’s slower open gate.
You had it sent to you by Blackmagic?