from another reviewer i saw that when color graded with the same colors the lumix becomes overexposed, i think that's the only thing making a difference here, each one need to be matched
Sony is great, as much as Lumix but the sad reality is that there is more lenses to rent for the E-Mount rather than L-Mount :( I work on both systems but deep inside I'm Lumix and Blackmagic fanboy 😅
Just FYI, since Sigma is part of the L mount alliance, their lenses are not considered 3rd party in the eyes of Panasonic, and are fully supported by them.
@@mex5341 In what way? I own both Lumix and Sigma lenses. There are no restrictions software-wise (change MF to linear, adjust the throw, etc.). The ES works the same way. Even AF is superior in video with the very latest Sigma lenses.
@@Lali_Land AF is worse with Sigma lenses , in video and photo mode esp. Sigma 35 1.4 and 28-70. Lumix 50 ,85 ,24-105. All these Lumix lenses over perform Sigma in terms of AF , esp. Af speed.
@@mex5341 I don't find that to be true. And the latest Sigma lenses are definitely outperforming the Lumix ones. Also, almost all Lumix lenses are visible stepping in video AF (because they were tuned for DFD), meanwhile ALL Sigma lenses are a smooth focusing.
Great video, this is exactly what I had concluded. Outside of my personal frustrations with the crop in 60p I think the S5II is better value camera. I have recently been in a huge debate with someone about this very topic, they just could not grasp that although the FX3 is a better camera, the difference isn't as big as the investment in lenses and lighting that could be made by using the left over budget.
and the L mount being brand new and a few mm bigger i think it will have a better future dji is bringing their camera and the S1Hii should be a good competitor to the higher sony line
a more interesting proposition when it comes to value is that you can pick up an s1h for even a little cheaper than an s5iix at this point and it's still a hell of a camera, particularly if you don't need autofocus and do more creative projects. There's something special about the s1h image
Great comparison! I'd just like to add one thing regarding the h.265 topic: Yes, the h.265 files straight out of the S5II can be really challenging on an older machine BUT the option to record internal proxies (since the firmware 3.0 update) is such a great feature as they're small, easy to edit and already there when you get back from shooting. So if you're using internal proxy recording, even the h.265 files aren't a big deal anymore - and it also can speed up your edits, if you created the proxies for editing yourself before.
H265 is problem in 2024? no for apple users. The ipad pro M1 from 2021 can edit 6K H265 Vlog 10bit 422 in final cut pro for ipad. Every Macbook air with M silicons can do it - quick and easy :)
My two cents. I own a S5IIX and a Red Komodo. Yes, the Red has better color but the Lumix has everything else. I use Zeiss Milvus Primes on my Red and just picked up an EF to L adapter to do some serious comparisons. My hope is to pick up some S Pro glass to use as B-cam with the Red. The S5IIX is not mentioned in this video but it's worth noting you can shoot full frame 6k ProRes HQ on to SSD and I also have the BM Monitor which gives me 6k BRAW. I used to own an A7SIII. I never really liked the Sony color. (I could talk about the fight between BM and Apple about ProRes RAW, but I won't.) The Burano is very interesting, but I think I'm going to wait and see if Panasonic releases a new autofocus Varicam. Not sure how long I'm willing to wait. On a completely separate note, if Nikon (after purchasing Red) starts creating full frame mirrorless with internal R3D I may be buying Nikons in the future. I know they have N-Raw but haven't done much investigation. I personally think Nikon is going to go the Sony route with high end cinema, and pro mirrorless.
I own the same cameras as you and I use my s5iix more than the komodo. The image and features Lumix gives us is all I need. If the new S1h has internal ND and more dynamic range im selling my komodo
Great overview Gary, how on earth are you so productive 😉👍 The S5ii is amazing value for sure. For me the difference open gate 3:2 makes is for anamorphic. You get a completely different image and field of view out of a 1.5x -1.6x anamorphic on open gate than on 16:9. You also get 4:3 with the S5ii for 1.8x, while Sony seems to reserve these resolutions for top of the range only.
I think one of the value of open gate is capturing a moment that you want to post horizontally and vertically. Have it in my xh2s and i love it for yt videos and ig fb and tiktok reels :)
I also saw posts of people mentioning it as kind of a "rolling shutter hack" to film 6K open gate vertically (and crop back to 16:9 later) in situations where you'd struggle with that when filming horizontally. To me personally the whole rolling shutter debate is hung up waaay to high, but for that one specific shot you need to get and find the RS to be too much on the S5II(X), that trick just might do it. So 6K open gate does at least give you options - whether you need them or not.
I own a Panasonic S5IIx and I'm deeply satisfied by the image quality. I shoot in 4K ProRes HQ using the external SSD. My only issue is the L-Mount lenses which are harder to find and resell because most people have Sony E-Mount lenses with their camera.
Comparing these cameras with the experience in practice is very useful for me, it's just another level, I'm still in the waiting mode for buying Lumix cameras, your review has dispelled all doubts about this, thank you
I've been with Sony since the old PD-150 days. I love the tiered levels of cameras with the lenses fitting them all. The image on the FX3 does not disappoint.. although WE NEED OPEN GATE! Panasonic has the value lock on that for sure!
Great vid! Wanted to mention that your training for the S5Iix is excellent….really enjoying all the great info! When I looked at Sony (A7sIII) and I did not the color science at all. It’s sounds like they have improved the green tinge ?
Their both great cameras. I'm actually waiting for my S5ii to ship. And your video makes me feel better about getting it. The only thing I see for myself is that LUMIX provides imagery that has more natural colors. More realistic colors. At 12:40 I see that Sony has a tint of yellow in their greens. Something I always saw from my FX30. Whereas the LUMIX has more natural green colors that I would see in real life. That's one of the main reasons I've gone back to LUMIX. Thank you for this comparison. I'm more excited about the S5ii!
The FX3 and FX6 have a unique exposure regime compared with a lot of other cameras. This requires different setups but done right you have a great tool. For instance, I shot a gig over the weekend which required me to repeatedly bounce from inside to outside. I settled on my ND need at ISO800 (CineEI mode) for outdoors and when I popped inside I would shift to the ISO12800 mode and leave the ND in place. Simple. And at the same time very different than how I’ve had to manage other cameras. Also, in CineEI you need to expose to the *left* (under expose) for most circumstances with your white point much lower on the scopes than is typical of other video exposure training I’ve had. In one sense the FX3 is a weird camera to work. But once you embrace the weird it becomes a great tool. Never for photography of course, but for 4k video it’s a very flexible and absolutely tiny professional tool.
Hey man, it's been a while. Spot on as always. It's all about learning your tools. I also find the FX3 very enjoyable to use, especially with its focus on video. It leans a bit into what makes Blackmagic so nice and simple to use.
@@OBP_ The menus are a bit of a hassle at first but far from impossible to learn and overall it feels more solid than BM while still balancing on an RS3 *Mini*. And that was the greatest thing on the shoot over the weekend. I popped the gimbal and the FX3 on a monopod and ran around doing stand up interviews plus b-roll the easy way. The camera is always level and essentially you have a mini jib with you every step of the way. 10’ high panning shots are essentially a breeze. It’s a tremendous piece of kit. Now if they will just roll out an FX9 update I will be thrilled. I’m not ready for the budget commitment of a Burano but I do want a bigger companion camera for when the I/O needs grow.
I had a S5IIX and it’s a great camera but the rolling shutter was terrible, I sold it and bought a FX3, I think it’s a better video camera but I miss the stills from the S5IIX.
All cameras are really great now. Even cameras that are 5 years old. Sony has the best autofocus. But I think all brands are otherwise even. I believe if you can be happy and productive with what ever system you have you’re personally ahead of the game no matter what happens.
Apparently the s5ii with the sigma mc-21 adaptor performs extremely well with EF lenses. So that will ve the clincher for me since i have a fist full of L series glass. I know you can get an ef to e mount adaptor but i dont think its as good.
about your comparaison in image quality, i have seen a reviewer that picked up on your issue, the Vlog footage is often overexposed if you try to match the 2 cameras using the same colors grading. when that reviewer used the sony as a base the lumix footage was overexposed, when using the lumix as a base the sony footage was underexposed
No. It’s simply the difference in the log curve. V-log has slightly brighter shadows and midtones than S-log3 which creates a nice highlight rolloff. There shouldn’t be a huge difference in exposure unless that guy doesn’t know what he’s doing. It could also be the difference in ISO as not all brands are accurate with these numbers but that should not affect the image in a big way.
I noticed this too, I tested the original S5 (seconde base ISO at 4000) and the A7IV (seconde base ISO at 3200). At the same ISO value (I chose 4000 for both) and an exposition compensation value of 1, the S5 is one stop brighter than the A7IV. As stated in the comment below, i'ts just that brands translate iso values differently.
Was using Panasonic for years before switching to Sony. The price to feature set compared to Panasonic is truly one of my biggest struggles. However the autofocus and lens options keep me grounded…
Awesome video bro...I have a S5IIX myself and I´m really happy with it. I think I can build a great environment around it. With more light, mics and lenses I´m improving my work a lot.
I use the Lumix on paid projects, yeah. Matching it to the Burano is probably closer than you think, but they are worlds apart in post-production and usability.
@@OBP_so is that your mic just for your camera? Or is it going to a sound board in the studio? I’m filling a project today and am running two wireless mics Just curious your situation Every venue is different
I'm debating wether or not I should switch to Sony. I feel like my S5iix is better than the FX3, and when I use one I miss features from the other... I might just wait for the S1Hii or whatever they end up calling it.
Great video. What about the fx30 vs the s5ii. Filming indoor top down product reviews. Unboxing and doing hardware mods. I like the cheaper lens options on the fx30 but I’m scared it won’t be good as the s5ii quality in my lighting. I do UA-cam tech content if that helps with any advice. Thanks 🙏 ❤
Both are great cameras, but if you don’t need the expensive E-mount lenses in the future or plan to move up the Sony ecosystem in terms of cameras, then I believe the S5ii or S5ii-X is a better choice for you. Better quality versus price for both the camera and lenses, making it a dream for building a UA-cam channel.
LUMIX is probably half as good to be honest. Bought the s5iix and wish would have spent the extra on fx3. Rolling shutter sucks, hdmi lag is unusable, moire aweful, build quality so cheap. It’s a budget camera. Better off with Blackmagic 6k g2 in most cases. I find the ibis super jerky too
@@hhankx black magic body designs 1.) are kinda trash, will say colors are good, obv. Sony is good thats just cause they’ve had time to fix the quirks, we at least update firmware and have had shutter angle for years, Lumix next line of cameras are going to be great that I know, I do prefer the build Design of the S1, its at least feel better in the hand. The GH7 is great too tho w/ ARRI Logc3
@@hhankx well, it is indeed a budget camera at basically half the price that the fx3 came out. The true balanced battle will be between S1HII and the A7SIV when/if they come out xD
I'm having the exact same problem with the rubber on my 16-35mm S-Pro lens. It just started a month ago was worried about glueing it. I would like to know how that worked out for you.
Damn, Lumix needs to fix that; it's not good enough for its price. The glue worked, but you can see a little bit of it on the edges of the rubber. Go small with the amount. I did manage to wipe most of it off, but it was tedious.
@@OBP_ Thanks for the advice. I bought the same gorilla adhesive that you showed. I will use a very, very thin coat. Yes we shouldn't have to be doing this. I haven't even used this lens that much. Panasonic sells new rubber rings for $ 22.95. Says they won't have them in til Nov. 1st
i have heard this before and i would like if possible your clarification, the fx3 when cropped on super 35 lets say it uses 5mp, does it really matter on video? i mean most video cameras have really small mp count ... i m really impressed if that's true, or if i misunderstood at some point
The crop on the FX3 is in Full HD, so that's 2.1MP. Maybe there's some kind of downsampling going on, but from my testing, it's just okay. Usable if needed, but I hate shooting anything less than 4K nowadays.
@@OBP_ sure i understand that but in the s5ii its like 10mp and its still HD right? i'm trying to understand why you prefer the crop of the s5ii vs the fx3, that's all, thanks for your answer :)
The fact that you can buy 2 S5IIX for 1 FX3 is mind-blowing. You can pretend to more project, Multicam interviews, shoot with two fix lenses, and production value is way higher in a sense. Can't wait for S1H mark II
@ i have issues all the time, luckily i can live with it but i do notice it. Idk, to me it makes sense to use s5ii for run and gun autofocus stuff and b cam, and mk1 or better yet s1h for tripod stuff / a cam. Didn't know about olpf filters.
About Panasonic lens 16-35 rubber problem. I had something similar but with my Panasonic S5ii camera. After of using this camera for 2 months, my camera body rubber grip came off the camera. Also had so many problems with crazy background pulsing!! After of contacting Panasonic, still don't have any response from them! Pore customer service and build quality!! Otherwise I agree that image looks great.. My philosophy is what you pay is what you get! Thanks for great video!!
The S5II doens't save settings to the camera well when removing battery or turning camera off and back on. The menu is unstable at times and colors cast often, and WB and tone needs to be improved via firmware
hi, since you work with actual cinema cameras i have a question please: you talked about that handheld cinema footage that give a natural pleasing movement to the footage, wich i like alot way better than the artificial gimball. is this pleasing motion related to the sensor reading speed? the FX3 has a faster sensor, could that give a more pleasing look when using handheld with maybe ibis compared to the lumix S5ii? no electronic stabilizaion added of course. if you have the possibility to test out both cameras side by side, like following a person from low ground with a top handle or approching it.
It's the weight of the camera. Heavy cameras don't have micro jitters. IBIS or an easy rig can help, but nothing beats simply making your camera package heavier.
I ve seen countless of review regards to Panasonic S5, S5ii… I am not gonna lie, I am very tempting to try the S5, I need to look for a lens that can be versatile on it at good price then will pull the trigger
Nikon z6iii is better image full frame 60p but it does not have fans so it can overheat faster than a s5ii plus s5ii had better ibis . Panasonic has mastered ibis far ahead of others . Also who has a 3.5 with better amps the fx3 , s5ii , or Nikon z6iii ?
@@creativegreatsvisuals I sent back 3 Z6IIIs because of quality issues. I enjoy my Z9 but the new 6 seems to be having some production teething problems. In the mean time I’m shooting Sony FX3 which is a more complete video camera.
@@wavelandI like the fx3 you can’t go wrong with that camera and now it has shutter angle too . Wow . It’s a money maker camera for many . I use s5ii and I like its weight size when not using cinema cameras . I like the ibis alot too ,I can leave the gimbal . I don’t like the 60p crop but on the flip side can get more length out of a 24-70 2.8
regarding lenses there isn't much of an advantage for E mount as its mostly photography lenses , but Lumix definitely has to release new pro lenses that are as good as the s pro 70-200 which is parfocal. its the most affordable zoom lens for video in that focal range and quality and its really good .. they just have to get a new version for the 24-70 that is as good , and perhaps a 24-100 2.8 ..
@@creativegreatsvisuals All the freaking time bro.. it’s even worst when shooting in 6K or ProRes 5.8K with my S5IIX. It happens on fabrics/clothing, textured walls, hair, buildings, etc.. it’s everywhere man! I won’t say that I find moiré in every single shot.. that would be a lie.. but "at least" 3-4 shots get unusable on every shoot. I’m very well aware of the Kolari mod, but it’s 699$ USD + shipping and customs/duties… I live in Canada and it would cost me over 1000$ USD (around 1320$ CAD)… which is a deal breaker. I’ll wait for the S1H II
@@davidmultimedia2024 what percentage of shots are useable each time on the s5iix because many people use the s5ii and s5iix on social media ,weddings and music videos and it works for them
ZVE1 overheats bad. I rented one to try it out, and it even overheated while scrolling through the menu (yes, tolerance to heat was on hight). So if recording time and reliability is important to you, don't consider it. The ZVE1 is meant to be a vlogging camera.
The giveaway is awesome, it would help since I don't have much for lighting. Since I never had a Sony, it used be all about the a7 line... a7s for video. It's been a couple of months now that I saw the FX series. What's their purpose compared to the a7s?
Different departments. Cinema line vs alpha. The current fx sensor owes its heritage to the a7siii though. Some other features like 12,800, 16bit RAW "signal" from hdmi, 4K 120...all started in the a7siii. FX started Cine ei. Alpha dept gives all that to fx. Can't they give cine ei and shutter angle in return? I guess that would make them the same though...if they added the exclusive cine line features.
@@errol3184 I see, yeah weird they did not include the shutter angle :P Watched some ei video too and I'm meh... Can't see the reason for the FX line since it's so similar the a7s. Maybe it will deviate more in the future.
Sony APS-C with micro USB port in 2024 Is most insane release by Sony ever in history of Sony releases. I’m here at your channel because I’m making the internet tired of searching each day for any news about new Fx3 ii successor of the FX3 camera. Can you make a video about what will Sony release in Q4 will it be the FX3 ii or the A7s mk4. I want to buy 2 Sony fx3 ii direct with launch I will pre order it directly and used for interview setups, and journalism production. The industry needs a successor in this range of cinema cameras. Please make some update video about what we can expect And subscribed bro.
Both great camera’s,however Sony bar none is a better all around platform.They have the expertise,knowledge and all the premium lenses you ever need.When it it comes to value,Panasonic is a clear limited winner.
I use the A7siii at 12800 all the time and that alone makes this camera a BEAST!! for videos. Meanly if you shoot weddings or documentaries, you have no idea what kind of lighting conditions you will find yourself in. This is were ND filter comes in clutch! so when you said the 12800 is unusable, you are seriously wrong and have yet to use that camera correctly. USE ND filter! I am sure you use them outdoors.. UA-camrs complain about the stupidest sh!t sometimes. If you don't know how to utilize your equipment just be honest.
@@Lunar_Films That still don't make any sense either... ND filter is a tool so why not use it? cameras are tools as well as every part you need to add to it to make them work for your shoot conditions.
@@OBP_ Dude, if you understand what base ISO is, this will make sense to you. Keep your camera at its base ISO; it's there for a reason. Your statement wasn’t very wise-you’re comparing one camera’s base ISO to another camera’s regular ISO and complaining that one is producing poor image quality. If you’re in a situation where you need to expose to the right and your first base ISO isn’t cutting it, switch to your second base ISO and use an ND filter to maintain your settings. Stop giving folks poor advice online.
@@DrL33productions the 12800 is a fake iso, there have been test that showed the A7s3 has alot of digital noise reduction at iso 12800 if you disable internal noise the S5II is better
from what I understand Sony is screwed as far as full frame open gate is concerned because of the flange distance of its mount , so part of the sensor remains covered and unusable even if they would allow FF open gate via firmware. the BURANO has PL mount so no issue there and they could offer it .. lots of people are expecting the next S1H that's very likely to be a box camera or to have a box version , probably with better specs then the PYXIS which is the only competitor in this range offering FF 6k open gate , hopefully with faster rolling shutter , dual or triple iso , autofocus etc .. although internal raw recording will be ProRes raw most likely but with 32 bit float audio support , arri log .. regular codecs not just raw ..
Not true with open gate on the Sony, if the mount obscured the edges of the sensor you would see it in photo mode. The mount does limit their IBIS performance though, as its small diameter doesn't allow much range for the sensor to move before it leaves the image circle. The lack of open gate is all on Sony management, particularly on the A7sIII/FX3/FX6/ZVEwhatever with the 12MP sensor, as it doesn't seem that reading out an extra 4MP would be that taxing. The higher-MP cams would maybe hit a wall with reading out the additional pixels, or at least would have awful rolling shutter when doing it.
Couldn't careless which one is better when hollywood is using a $1000+ iPhone to shoot 28 years later, guess where the other 70 million is going Into everything else. Most cameras these days are good enough, I think there's no excuses anymore about which camera to get, buy whatever suits your needs. It's really all about how much money you put into that frame, the great script and the crew you hire.
Interesting I liked the s5 image better far as color balance, the image seemed more dynamic.
from another reviewer i saw that when color graded with the same colors the lumix becomes overexposed, i think that's the only thing making a difference here, each one need to be matched
@@mdenjoyer831 why would anyone color grade the exact same way for a different camera
Sony is great, as much as Lumix but the sad reality is that there is more lenses to rent for the E-Mount rather than L-Mount :( I work on both systems but deep inside I'm Lumix and Blackmagic fanboy 😅
Just FYI, since Sigma is part of the L mount alliance, their lenses are not considered 3rd party in the eyes of Panasonic, and are fully supported by them.
sounds like true. but in reality they work as a 3d party lenses.
@@mex5341 In what way? I own both Lumix and Sigma lenses. There are no restrictions software-wise (change MF to linear, adjust the throw, etc.). The ES works the same way. Even AF is superior in video with the very latest Sigma lenses.
@@Lali_Land AF is worse with Sigma lenses , in video and photo mode esp. Sigma 35 1.4 and 28-70. Lumix 50 ,85 ,24-105. All these Lumix lenses over perform Sigma in terms of AF , esp. Af speed.
@@mex5341 I don't find that to be true. And the latest Sigma lenses are definitely outperforming the Lumix ones. Also, almost all Lumix lenses are visible stepping in video AF (because they were tuned for DFD), meanwhile ALL Sigma lenses are a smooth focusing.
@ whatever u want to believe in . I am not here to argue , just telling my experience
Great video, this is exactly what I had concluded. Outside of my personal frustrations with the crop in 60p I think the S5II is better value camera. I have recently been in a huge debate with someone about this very topic, they just could not grasp that although the FX3 is a better camera, the difference isn't as big as the investment in lenses and lighting that could be made by using the left over budget.
and the L mount being brand new and a few mm bigger i think it will have a better future
dji is bringing their camera and the S1Hii should be a good competitor to the higher sony line
a more interesting proposition when it comes to value is that you can pick up an s1h for even a little cheaper than an s5iix at this point and it's still a hell of a camera, particularly if you don't need autofocus and do more creative projects. There's something special about the s1h image
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open gate on s5ii is 6k, cropping vertically to 4k is still higher resolution than fx3
Great comparison! I'd just like to add one thing regarding the h.265 topic: Yes, the h.265 files straight out of the S5II can be really challenging on an older machine BUT the option to record internal proxies (since the firmware 3.0 update) is such a great feature as they're small, easy to edit and already there when you get back from shooting. So if you're using internal proxy recording, even the h.265 files aren't a big deal anymore - and it also can speed up your edits, if you created the proxies for editing yourself before.
H265 is problem in 2024? no for apple users. The ipad pro M1 from 2021 can edit 6K H265 Vlog 10bit 422 in final cut pro for ipad. Every Macbook air with M silicons can do it - quick and easy :)
@@juliuskaraffa2556 I'm happy for these apple users, but that was not the point 😉 not everyone owns an apple and not everyone needs to.
@@tobifocus yes, I accept, but H265 can't be a problem today, when the cheapest mac mini for €680 can easily handle it :)
that still makes exports a nightmare
Lumix is my go to. I use it more than my Komodo
My two cents. I own a S5IIX and a Red Komodo. Yes, the Red has better color but the Lumix has everything else. I use Zeiss Milvus Primes on my Red and just picked up an EF to L adapter to do some serious comparisons. My hope is to pick up some S Pro glass to use as B-cam with the Red. The S5IIX is not mentioned in this video but it's worth noting you can shoot full frame 6k ProRes HQ on to SSD and I also have the BM Monitor which gives me 6k BRAW.
I used to own an A7SIII. I never really liked the Sony color. (I could talk about the fight between BM and Apple about ProRes RAW, but I won't.) The Burano is very interesting, but I think I'm going to wait and see if Panasonic releases a new autofocus Varicam. Not sure how long I'm willing to wait.
On a completely separate note, if Nikon (after purchasing Red) starts creating full frame mirrorless with internal R3D I may be buying Nikons in the future. I know they have N-Raw but haven't done much investigation. I personally think Nikon is going to go the Sony route with high end cinema, and pro mirrorless.
Agreed, Nikon could surprise us all!
I own the same cameras as you and I use my s5iix more than the komodo. The image and features Lumix gives us is all I need. If the new S1h has internal ND and more dynamic range im selling my komodo
Great overview Gary, how on earth are you so productive 😉👍
The S5ii is amazing value for sure. For me the difference open gate 3:2 makes is for anamorphic. You get a completely different image and field of view out of a 1.5x -1.6x anamorphic on open gate than on 16:9. You also get 4:3 with the S5ii for 1.8x, while Sony seems to reserve these resolutions for top of the range only.
I think one of the value of open gate is capturing a moment that you want to post horizontally and vertically. Have it in my xh2s and i love it for yt videos and ig fb and tiktok reels :)
I also saw posts of people mentioning it as kind of a "rolling shutter hack" to film 6K open gate vertically (and crop back to 16:9 later) in situations where you'd struggle with that when filming horizontally. To me personally the whole rolling shutter debate is hung up waaay to high, but for that one specific shot you need to get and find the RS to be too much on the S5II(X), that trick just might do it. So 6K open gate does at least give you options - whether you need them or not.
I own a Panasonic S5IIx and I'm deeply satisfied by the image quality. I shoot in 4K ProRes HQ using the external SSD. My only issue is the L-Mount lenses which are harder to find and resell because most people have Sony E-Mount lenses with their camera.
Comparing these cameras with the experience in practice is very useful for me, it's just another level, I'm still in the waiting mode for buying Lumix cameras, your review has dispelled all doubts about this, thank you
I've been with Sony since the old PD-150 days. I love the tiered levels of cameras with the lenses fitting them all. The image on the FX3 does not disappoint.. although WE NEED OPEN GATE! Panasonic has the value lock on that for sure!
Great vid! Wanted to mention that your training for the S5Iix is excellent….really enjoying all the great info! When I looked at Sony (A7sIII) and I did not the color science at all. It’s sounds like they have improved the green tinge ?
Thanks so much!! Sony have fixed it in the Burano & Venice looool, so you only have to spend 20k+
Their both great cameras. I'm actually waiting for my S5ii to ship. And your video makes me feel better about getting it. The only thing I see for myself is that LUMIX provides imagery that has more natural colors. More realistic colors. At 12:40 I see that Sony has a tint of yellow in their greens. Something I always saw from my FX30. Whereas the LUMIX has more natural green colors that I would see in real life. That's one of the main reasons I've gone back to LUMIX. Thank you for this comparison. I'm more excited about the S5ii!
The FX3 and FX6 have a unique exposure regime compared with a lot of other cameras. This requires different setups but done right you have a great tool. For instance, I shot a gig over the weekend which required me to repeatedly bounce from inside to outside. I settled on my ND need at ISO800 (CineEI mode) for outdoors and when I popped inside I would shift to the ISO12800 mode and leave the ND in place. Simple. And at the same time very different than how I’ve had to manage other cameras. Also, in CineEI you need to expose to the *left* (under expose) for most circumstances with your white point much lower on the scopes than is typical of other video exposure training I’ve had. In one sense the FX3 is a weird camera to work. But once you embrace the weird it becomes a great tool. Never for photography of course, but for 4k video it’s a very flexible and absolutely tiny professional tool.
Hey man, it's been a while. Spot on as always. It's all about learning your tools. I also find the FX3 very enjoyable to use, especially with its focus on video. It leans a bit into what makes Blackmagic so nice and simple to use.
@@OBP_ The menus are a bit of a hassle at first but far from impossible to learn and overall it feels more solid than BM while still balancing on an RS3 *Mini*. And that was the greatest thing on the shoot over the weekend. I popped the gimbal and the FX3 on a monopod and ran around doing stand up interviews plus b-roll the easy way. The camera is always level and essentially you have a mini jib with you every step of the way. 10’ high panning shots are essentially a breeze. It’s a tremendous piece of kit. Now if they will just roll out an FX9 update I will be thrilled. I’m not ready for the budget commitment of a Burano but I do want a bigger companion camera for when the I/O needs grow.
I had a S5IIX and it’s a great camera but the rolling shutter was terrible, I sold it and bought a FX3, I think it’s a better video camera but I miss the stills from the S5IIX.
Really interesting video. I personally think the S5 ii looks like a great deal. The fx3 is a brilliant camera, but it comes at quite a price.
Thank you for taking us behind the scenes of your actual work. Fair points on both cameras. Keep up the good work. 👍
Thanks for watching!
Why did you not make comparison with S5iiX instead of S5ii?
S5iiX is surely more video?
Only difference is codec and able to record in SSD
All cameras are really great now. Even cameras that are 5 years old. Sony has the best autofocus. But I think all brands are otherwise even. I believe if you can be happy and productive with what ever system you have you’re personally ahead of the game no matter what happens.
Great video, I am using the G9 II and looking to get a FF too, what is the best wide angle for the S5 II?
12:19 I’m just wondering why these two shots were exposed completely differently to the detriment of the lumix?
Apparently the s5ii with the sigma mc-21 adaptor performs extremely well with EF lenses. So that will ve the clincher for me since i have a fist full of L series glass. I know you can get an ef to e mount adaptor but i dont think its as good.
about your comparaison in image quality, i have seen a reviewer that picked up on your issue, the Vlog footage is often overexposed if you try to match the 2 cameras using the same colors grading. when that reviewer used the sony as a base the lumix footage was overexposed, when using the lumix as a base the sony footage was underexposed
No. It’s simply the difference in the log curve. V-log has slightly brighter shadows and midtones than S-log3 which creates a nice highlight rolloff. There shouldn’t be a huge difference in exposure unless that guy doesn’t know what he’s doing. It could also be the difference in ISO as not all brands are accurate with these numbers but that should not affect the image in a big way.
@@Aviciiz he said the logs need to be exposed differently, the video at 5:31 is Sony FX30 vs Lumix S5II | The classic or New Hero? by kensei akatsu
I noticed this too, I tested the original S5 (seconde base ISO at 4000) and the A7IV (seconde base ISO at 3200). At the same ISO value (I chose 4000 for both) and an exposition compensation value of 1, the S5 is one stop brighter than the A7IV. As stated in the comment below, i'ts just that brands translate iso values differently.
you can't create the same special moment twice often. for that reason, open gate is useful
Got a S5iiX from B&H with 35,50,&85 s primes for ~2500$ during NAB
Bonkers value compared to a7s/fx/r5 only comparable to smaller sensors imo
The S5iix also happens to be a fantastic stills camera. For hybrid shooters, its a no brainer.
Great video! For anyone choosing between these two cameras, you talk about all the important things, really!
Was using Panasonic for years before switching to Sony. The price to feature set compared to Panasonic is truly one of my biggest struggles. However the autofocus and lens options keep me grounded…
Awesome video bro...I have a S5IIX myself and I´m really happy with it. I think I can build a great environment around it. With more light, mics and lenses I´m improving my work a lot.
Very good video.
I use an S5IIx, records straight to ssd in Apple ProRes HQ. Ditched my Atomos Inferno…
i mean if one is comparing an 4k video camera to an 1.8k hybrid cam shows you that this camera is brutally powerful
Are you using already the Lumix in payed projects? How does it matches with your Burano
I use the Lumix on paid projects, yeah. Matching it to the Burano is probably closer than you think, but they are worlds apart in post-production and usability.
I love my S5ii
For audio are you running into the system provided by the venue or recording on camera ?
The audio is from the mic they are holding yes. the on camera mics are just back ups.
@@OBP_so is that your mic just for your camera?
Or is it going to a sound board in the studio?
I’m filling a project today and am running two wireless mics
Just curious your situation
Every venue is different
I'm debating wether or not I should switch to Sony. I feel like my S5iix is better than the FX3, and when I use one I miss features from the other... I might just wait for the S1Hii or whatever they end up calling it.
We see a new Lumix soon enough so just wait and see.
Great video. What about the fx30 vs the s5ii. Filming indoor top down product reviews. Unboxing and doing hardware mods. I like the cheaper lens options on the fx30 but I’m scared it won’t be good as the s5ii quality in my lighting. I do UA-cam tech content if that helps with any advice. Thanks 🙏 ❤
Both are great cameras, but if you don’t need the expensive E-mount lenses in the future or plan to move up the Sony ecosystem in terms of cameras, then I believe the S5ii or S5ii-X is a better choice for you. Better quality versus price for both the camera and lenses, making it a dream for building a UA-cam channel.
Just ordered my S5iix
Thank you for the video. Gonna get that Lumix S5 II as my first camera more then likely.
Lumix is so much better, Sony way overrated, great cameras and color though no lie.
LUMIX is probably half as good to be honest. Bought the s5iix and wish would have spent the extra on fx3. Rolling shutter sucks, hdmi lag is unusable, moire aweful, build quality so cheap. It’s a budget camera. Better off with Blackmagic 6k g2 in most cases. I find the ibis super jerky too
Sony over LUMIX all day
@@hhankx black magic body designs 1.) are kinda trash, will say colors are good, obv. Sony is good thats just cause they’ve had time to fix the quirks, we at least update firmware and have had shutter angle for years, Lumix next line of cameras are going to be great that I know, I do prefer the build Design of the S1, its at least feel better in the hand. The GH7 is great too tho w/ ARRI Logc3
@@hhankx well, it is indeed a budget camera at basically half the price that the fx3 came out. The true balanced battle will be between S1HII and the A7SIV when/if they come out xD
@@hhankx you're the only person I seen in 8 videos that said the ibis is jerky lol troll
Man you are such a great lad making these videos and sharing your knowledge. May your business fair well 🙏
I'm having the exact same problem with the rubber on my 16-35mm S-Pro lens. It just started a month ago was worried about glueing it. I would like to know how that worked out for you.
Damn, Lumix needs to fix that; it's not good enough for its price. The glue worked, but you can see a little bit of it on the edges of the rubber. Go small with the amount. I did manage to wipe most of it off, but it was tedious.
@@OBP_ Thanks for the advice. I bought the same gorilla adhesive that you showed. I will use a very, very thin coat. Yes we shouldn't have to be doing this. I haven't even used this lens that much. Panasonic sells new rubber rings for $ 22.95. Says they won't have them in til Nov. 1st
i have heard this before and i would like if possible your clarification, the fx3 when cropped on super 35 lets say it uses 5mp, does it really matter on video? i mean most video cameras have really small mp count ... i m really impressed if that's true, or if i misunderstood at some point
The crop on the FX3 is in Full HD, so that's 2.1MP. Maybe there's some kind of downsampling going on, but from my testing, it's just okay. Usable if needed, but I hate shooting anything less than 4K nowadays.
@@OBP_ sure i understand that but in the s5ii its like 10mp and its still HD right? i'm trying to understand why you prefer the crop of the s5ii vs the fx3, that's all, thanks for your answer :)
open gate is everything
The fact that you can buy 2 S5IIX for 1 FX3 is mind-blowing. You can pretend to more project, Multicam interviews, shoot with two fix lenses, and production value is way higher in a sense. Can't wait for S1H mark II
How do you deal with moire? I'm considering rebuying an s5 mk1 and use that as a cam for this reason.
I've never had any issues with moiré with the camera. You’d be better off buying an OLPF filter for the S5ii than going back to an S5 Mark I.
@ i have issues all the time, luckily i can live with it but i do notice it. Idk, to me it makes sense to use s5ii for run and gun autofocus stuff and b cam, and mk1 or better yet s1h for tripod stuff / a cam. Didn't know about olpf filters.
About Panasonic lens 16-35 rubber problem.
I had something similar but with my Panasonic S5ii camera.
After of using this camera for 2 months, my camera body rubber grip came off the camera.
Also had so many problems with crazy background pulsing!!
After of contacting Panasonic, still don't have any response from them!
Pore customer service and build quality!!
Otherwise I agree that image looks great..
My philosophy is what you pay is what you get!
Thanks for great video!!
The S5II doens't save settings to the camera well when removing battery or turning camera off and back on. The menu is unstable at times and colors cast often, and WB and tone needs to be improved via firmware
hi, since you work with actual cinema cameras i have a question please: you talked about that handheld cinema footage that give a natural pleasing movement to the footage, wich i like alot way better than the artificial gimball.
is this pleasing motion related to the sensor reading speed? the FX3 has a faster sensor, could that give a more pleasing look when using handheld with maybe ibis compared to the lumix S5ii? no electronic stabilizaion added of course.
if you have the possibility to test out both cameras side by side, like following a person from low ground with a top handle or approching it.
It's the weight of the camera. Heavy cameras don't have micro jitters. IBIS or an easy rig can help, but nothing beats simply making your camera package heavier.
@@OBP_ thanks, and these heavy cameras have ibis or is it diabled?
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I heard "Weigh in" as "wedding" at first, and thought they couple had unusual dress :)
14:19 you’re not just limited to the Lunix S5 II! You also have Blackmagic Design Pyxis 6K which also support L mount lenses.
That's a fair point. I think Lumix and Blackmagic will be a popular duo moving forward.
Too bad the preamp on the panny has the cricket noise problem that they won't acknowledge
I ve seen countless of review regards to Panasonic S5, S5ii… I am not gonna lie, I am very tempting to try the S5, I need to look for a lens that can be versatile on it at good price then will pull the trigger
Top stuff Gary. Love my S5iix.
Can we get some reviews on nd and cpl filters
Nikon z6iii is better image full frame 60p but it does not have fans so it can overheat faster than a s5ii plus s5ii had better ibis . Panasonic has mastered ibis far ahead of others . Also who has a 3.5 with better amps the fx3 , s5ii , or Nikon z6iii ?
@@creativegreatsvisuals I sent back 3 Z6IIIs because of quality issues. I enjoy my Z9 but the new 6 seems to be having some production teething problems. In the mean time I’m shooting Sony FX3 which is a more complete video camera.
@@wavelandI like the fx3 you can’t go wrong with that camera and now it has shutter angle too . Wow . It’s a money maker camera for many . I use s5ii and I like its weight size when not using cinema cameras . I like the ibis alot too ,I can leave the gimbal . I don’t like the 60p crop but on the flip side can get more length out of a 24-70 2.8
Thanks for the great information! 🙂All the best.
regarding lenses there isn't much of an advantage for E mount as its mostly photography lenses , but Lumix definitely has to release new pro lenses that are as good as the s pro 70-200 which is parfocal. its the most affordable zoom lens for video in that focal range and quality and its really good .. they just have to get a new version for the 24-70 that is as good , and perhaps a 24-100 2.8 ..
Also, 24mm, 35mm, 85mm, etc. primes in S Pro. they are probably the most popular G Master lenses, and Lumix only has a 50mm S Pro.
Price/value S5II smashes FX3.
I think the s5ii it’s a must have for the price point
The OLPF is the most important missing part in the S5II.. Moiré is so important to control, and sadly it’s a big problem
How often do u get moire though ? Kolari makes a olpf for the s5ii though
@@creativegreatsvisuals All the freaking time bro.. it’s even worst when shooting in 6K or ProRes 5.8K with my S5IIX. It happens on fabrics/clothing, textured walls, hair, buildings, etc.. it’s everywhere man! I won’t say that I find moiré in every single shot.. that would be a lie.. but "at least" 3-4 shots get unusable on every shoot. I’m very well aware of the Kolari mod, but it’s 699$ USD + shipping and customs/duties… I live in Canada and it would cost me over 1000$ USD (around 1320$ CAD)… which is a deal breaker. I’ll wait for the S1H II
wait for the S1hii
@@davidmultimedia2024 what percentage of shots are useable each time on the s5iix because many people use the s5ii and s5iix on social media ,weddings and music videos and it works for them
@@mdenjoyer831 Moire is a issue on my S1 as well, buildings mostly.
Thank you so much for this video, i will watch the entire video
i'm considering between ZVE1 vs S5ii and the fx3 has the same sensor
ZVE1 overheats bad. I rented one to try it out, and it even overheated while scrolling through the menu (yes, tolerance to heat was on hight). So if recording time and reliability is important to you, don't consider it. The ZVE1 is meant to be a vlogging camera.
@@NicholasPapadimitriou1993 i've had it for 2 weeks now and never overheated, but i dont film long videos
Yes, for any professional work, the S5ii all day long. Don't even risk the overheating.
very rich comparison! thank you
The giveaway is awesome, it would help since I don't have much for lighting.
Since I never had a Sony, it used be all about the a7 line... a7s for video. It's been a couple of months now that I saw the FX series.
What's their purpose compared to the a7s?
Different departments. Cinema line vs alpha. The current fx sensor owes its heritage to the a7siii though. Some other features like 12,800, 16bit RAW "signal" from hdmi, 4K 120...all started in the a7siii. FX started Cine ei. Alpha dept gives all that to fx. Can't they give cine ei and shutter angle in return? I guess that would make them the same though...if they added the exclusive cine line features.
@@errol3184 I see, yeah weird they did not include the shutter angle :P Watched some ei video too and I'm meh... Can't see the reason for the FX line since it's so similar the a7s. Maybe it will deviate more in the future.
I love magma!
Thank You
Sony APS-C with micro USB port in 2024
Is most insane release by Sony ever in history of Sony releases.
I’m here at your channel because I’m making the internet tired of searching each day for any news about new Fx3 ii successor of the FX3 camera.
Can you make a video about what will Sony release in Q4 will it be the FX3 ii or the A7s mk4.
I want to buy 2 Sony fx3 ii direct with launch I will pre order it directly and used for interview setups, and journalism production.
The industry needs a successor in this range of cinema cameras.
Please make some update video about what we can expect
And subscribed bro.
I was gonna say something for those in the Best Camera phase.
Best advice I got:
It's just a tool
Sony just have the best marketing ..
Thank U for this video.
Thank you sir for circling back! Sony is so boring😂 as far as the slog curve, use a creative Lut and not just a conversation Lut.
Both great camera’s,however Sony bar none is a better all around platform.They have the expertise,knowledge and all the premium lenses you ever need.When it it comes to value,Panasonic is a clear limited winner.
What a Sony fanboy would say.
I use the A7siii at 12800 all the time and that alone makes this camera a BEAST!! for videos. Meanly if you shoot weddings or documentaries, you have no idea what kind of lighting conditions you will find yourself in. This is were ND filter comes in clutch! so when you said the 12800 is unusable, you are seriously wrong and have yet to use that camera correctly. USE ND filter! I am sure you use them outdoors.. UA-camrs complain about the stupidest sh!t sometimes. If you don't know how to utilize your equipment just be honest.
He’s comparing without an ND filter bro. Just a standard comparison of base
I had some comments on UA-cam, but someone telling me to shoot at 12,800 ISO and put an ND filter on because it's too dark is a new one! loooooool
@@Lunar_Films That still don't make any sense either... ND filter is a tool so why not use it? cameras are tools as well as every part you need to add to it to make them work for your shoot conditions.
@@OBP_ Dude, if you understand what base ISO is, this will make sense to you. Keep your camera at its base ISO; it's there for a reason. Your statement wasn’t very wise-you’re comparing one camera’s base ISO to another camera’s regular ISO and complaining that one is producing poor image quality. If you’re in a situation where you need to expose to the right and your first base ISO isn’t cutting it, switch to your second base ISO and use an ND filter to maintain your settings. Stop giving folks poor advice online.
@@DrL33productions the 12800 is a fake iso, there have been test that showed the A7s3 has alot of digital noise reduction at iso 12800
if you disable internal noise the S5II is better
do videos about nikon z6iii
Lumix looks better in color and stabilization
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from what I understand Sony is screwed as far as full frame open gate is concerned because of the flange distance of its mount , so part of the sensor remains covered and unusable even if they would allow FF open gate via firmware.
the BURANO has PL mount so no issue there and they could offer it ..
lots of people are expecting the next S1H that's very likely to be a box camera or to have a box version , probably with better specs then the PYXIS which is the only competitor in this range offering FF 6k open gate , hopefully with faster rolling shutter , dual or triple iso , autofocus etc ..
although internal raw recording will be ProRes raw most likely but with 32 bit float audio support , arri log ..
regular codecs not just raw ..
Not true with open gate on the Sony, if the mount obscured the edges of the sensor you would see it in photo mode. The mount does limit their IBIS performance though, as its small diameter doesn't allow much range for the sensor to move before it leaves the image circle.
The lack of open gate is all on Sony management, particularly on the A7sIII/FX3/FX6/ZVEwhatever with the 12MP sensor, as it doesn't seem that reading out an extra 4MP would be that taxing. The higher-MP cams would maybe hit a wall with reading out the additional pixels, or at least would have awful rolling shutter when doing it.
The Sony Venice is E-mount and captures in open gate.
Lumix image is pleasant. sony is just like Yeah
Lumix Lab app is great!
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why so many youtubers love to laugh at panasonic? I really didnt know they saw all these cameras as a meme. why ?
I definitely do not., the S5ii is one of the best cameras I have ever used.
Joan Points
No, just NO! Lumix is garbage
Why?
LOL stop
@@contentm3893 no but seriously? I’m very interesting to understand why.. what you mean by Lol stop… ?
@@AveryDalessandro explain me please
so big question, do you think they could have made The Creator with a S5ii?
Using an external recorder to capture RAW, like they did with the FX3, for sure. It's everything else around the camera that matters the most.
Couldn't careless which one is better when hollywood is using a $1000+ iPhone to shoot 28 years later, guess where the other 70 million is going Into everything else. Most cameras these days are good enough, I think there's no excuses anymore about which camera to get, buy whatever suits your needs. It's really all about how much money you put into that frame, the great script and the crew you hire.
followed on insta so fast
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