War Thunder - TACTICS on HOW to BEAT the PANTSIR in a JET!
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2024
- Talking about how I normally try to destroy the Pantsir in a Jet!
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Against pantsir
-Don't fly absurdly high against pantsirs, you are losing aerodynamic performance and becoming an easy target even for energy-depleted missiles.
-Pay attention to the presence of the s1 search radar in the rwr, and engage with pop up tactics, enter low altitude fast, climb to mid altitude, preferably already have an idea of the areas you will scan, fire and defend, If pantsir are already watching you, fire two or more missiles to increase the penetration chances, if you don't find anything or are unable to lock on targets, disengage immediately and defend, never approach the battlefield.
-To scan areas, maintain the most oblique/perpendicular position possible to the battlefield, maintain the highest speed possible to maximize angular velocity and make regular vertical maneuvers.
For pantsir operators.
- Don't stay in obvious spawn spots
-If there are no other active pantsir and the skies are relatively clear, do not keep the search radar on all the time, a few pulses and turn off the radar, control its emissions, keep it on only when more aircraft start to appear to maintain situational awareness from other cas or agm's that may approach.
-The missiles can be fired with the lead LOS or interception/proportional navigation mode, the preference is to use the LOS mode on targets up to 12-13km. Maneuvering fighters and helicopters, the proportional mode is used for targets that are more distant and more passive in terms of maneuvers, the LOS mode depends on the operator's dexterity, but with experience it is possible to partially emulate the proportional navigation mode.
-The fire control radar detects separation of ordinance from the target, when detecting launches your immediate priority is to intercept the ammunition, defend yourself and your allies, if the missile does not shoot down the ammunition then it is a bomb and not an AGM, prepare the cannons...
The search radar has different scanning volumes, the 60º vertical one is the most balanced between scan volume and detection speed.
-The IRST mode has limited usefulness in pantsir, the FCS radar operates in short waves so most rwr's do not detect its orientation mode, in addition it detects separation of ordinance and other objects in its beam making it very useful for defending itself .
Instead of nerfing SPAA missiles, they should just introduce HARMs.
i hope they add a voice that calls out "magnum" when you launch ARMs, they don't even need to add the same thing for fox 1-3 i just want magnum
Gaijin said that theyre never going to do that because their reasoning was that HARMs couldnt see the pansirs radar. which is just absolute bs.
and even then, they need to rework the damage model of them because they can still guide missiles in even with their radar destroyed.
It's about time !
even with anti radiation missiles, the pantsir radar is exceptional at detecting small targets so pantsir players will just intercept the missile
Niqqa nahhh
I just simply fly very high, and keep maneuvering until my missile/bomb hits.
It is VERY important you do not stop maneuvering, anyone who has played mouse aim SPAA knows how hard that can make it for the missile to hit you, even hard to dodge SAMs like MIM-146 (ADATS) have trouble if you’re at high altitude.
Using this tactic, I haven’t died to Pantsir in a hot minute, either I killed it, or someone else killed it, and I play CAS all the time.
Same, How high you fly? For me 8k or more.
@@CarameloWTI like to stay above 6K feet, however, if I’m flying DIRECTLY over the battlefield (which I often do when playing something like the F-14B that strictly only gets GBUs), I like to keep it at 10K feet. It die need to be EXTREMELY high, just high enough.
@@ANDREWISNTSOGOODER the tactic of flying high is VERY GOOD OPCION, in almost all the Br but I have not tested it against the pansirt, those 20km of range are very scary when you don’t have agm-65...
As the person usually in the SPAA, you are absolutely right, even if you are within range maneuvering makes the missile miss.
Flying high is a death sentence the moment anything with an R27ER spawns.
A very good point to note ; stay in their shadow zone (right above them)
Most of average players wont even bother to expand the searching angles
Another method is to bring some Zunis and fire them toward the Pantsir (even if they wont reach, they "might" trigger the fuze and explode the missile, it's basically the reverse Ka50 tactic)
Also, i also tend to double tap with Mavericks and sometimes combine Mavericks with a GBU, the Pantsir will focus on the missile rather than me and i still guide my bomb OR he aims at me and the missile will get him (one or two)
Final point ; use cyclic chaffs/flares with a quite low tempo to save some. Chaffs arent super effective against the ONLY AESA SAM system in the game but they tend to disrupt the initial lock and they give some jitter on the lock when you're really close to the notch
BUT GAIJIN FFS WE NEED HARM's !!
The only system able to kill the S1 is currently carried by the Su-25SM3 !
in my experience one of the best ways to counter the pantsir is by using guns and dumb rockets and flying very low and fast
man its so fair and balanced how russia has 20km aa meanwhile other contries have about 8-10 km at best
I mean Germany has the bus and France and Swedes got one of the best mid range spaa and China got the best mid range.
Bruh all thee comments with "We need Anti Radiation Missiles" guys ... Let me tell you.... every single one of you that wishes for that are just some casual WT player that probably never took the time to do a good keybind setting with guided munitions.... I can tell you how to easily kill any AA with a Pod and AGM's....
-Spawn in
-Mark the map where there is an enemy spawn
-put your Pod/TV (yes even TV cams work with this method) marker there maybe even spot some AA already
-dive down
-Don't ever switch back to the Pod/TV cam now (why? because your mark even flying behind mountains stays there for some unknown reason)
-Set your Jet up so you fly in to the battlefield from another direction than your Airspawn
-Pop up around at 7-8km and use chaff and flares about 2-3 seconds after you pop up ( to annoy AA that want to radar lock you)
-find the AA (with Thermals pretty easy)
-lock it and shot that AGM
btw. you can do the same thing with GBU's (yes i know not all but most of them) but you have to pop up as late as possible bc you need that laser on the target
If you don't find any AA while poping up you should know that the longer you stay up there.... the more time AA has to lock you and kill you so even if you finde nothing get your *** down again and do another attack run.
Practice this and you will find out that Jets at top tier are OP if you know how to use them... even flying solo
Btw. this is how a lot of top clans kill AA in Clan Wars.... ( some pilots need Drone pings bc they can't spot as good as some other players) but if you have the general location of the AA it should be dead you just have to train and have the keybinds for this....
So question, is it worth taking GBUs if you cant get close to the battlefield? I find, even at 10.3 going up against 11.0 AA in my A10, I cant last long enough to get over battlefield to use GBU 8s, and if I do, I usually rarely have time to lock something before being blown out of the sky by a belgit or 2s38. And If i dont get close enough, my GBU 8s fall short because of lack of speed.
if they increase the map border range from the battlefield, it might not be so damn hard to do anything about the pantsir. A pantsir using TRACK IR, is practically impossible to beat in any jet, even with fire and forget missiles, on anything apart from the the SU29, which is in the same nation as the pantsir, so that's great.
this is why i will never take anyone at WT HQ seriously, why is the the pansire in the game?
A good S1 user makes the S1 very hard to beat even with the f16. Not enough zoom, the thermals are just okay and at furthest lock range the S1 is already firing at you. We need another f16 variant like the block 70
Cone of Silence
now this is the video we needed!
Gaijin won’t even let me fly without being told to return within range of the Pantsir lol
every other aa is a joke in top tier with the pantsir being the only one that can do anything to you
u can lock missles and destroy it before it hits you or teammate. so its prety op. mostly good vs valet wariors
remember to make use of your teammate premium meat bags, I mean teammate premium CAS aircraft as a distraction as you launch your guided munitions at SPAA.
works 78% of the time...
With F-16C, I usually choose 6x 65D and 12x Snakeye.
When there's a Pantsir when I spawned, I quickly go down parallel to the battlefield and try to bomb the Pantsir. Then I get a little time if there's no Pantsir. Until the next one spawns, I fire all of my Mavericks and then destroy a few aircraft with 9Ms. Also, no matter what aircraft you're using always shut down your radar if you're going to do CAS. That way you can get some aircraft while flying low if you're lucky.
I also use F-14B when I didn't get enough RP for F-16C. It always has a lower RP than F-16C.
I use 3x 9L and 4x GBU-12. It's 600 RP compared to F-16C with a similar loadout, it's an average of 100 RP less.
How come your mavericks can track at long range. My Mavs can only track at shorter ranges (F16AJ). Mostly lock to point when very far. And I don't have targetting pod unforunately.
If you look at the stats you will see that you have a "locking range" (20km btw.) stat on the 65D (on the F-16C as an example) that stat is missing on earlier variants... (like the 65B) yes you can shot them from 23km but they just lock the "direction" (or the air i don't know for sure) not the ground vehicle... they only lock the actual ground vehicle around 6-5km from my testing and will track it
only the Rocket with thermal lock can folow target from max distance, normal TV Rocket folow target a when they are fired from less than 6km
thanks for the replies. this confirms my experience.
Another fun thing, firing a salvo at rockets at them from closer ranges overloads their radar. Take that as you wil
I never have the time to get any planes with the agm before the game ends or I die
Just so you know, several items point to the AGM-65 Maverick having a 22km+ range to them. I think we all know why the maverick hasn't been given it's IRL range. The Russian tech-tree would no longer have the upper hand at top tier battles. ECM and AGM-88's and other NATO stores will not be included in order to keep the S1 at it's king-of-the-hill status and maintain the Russian tech-tree's E-Z mode.
Until
We get anti radiation missiles with good velocity. Pantsir will be OP af
but then what about other SPAAs who are not as good as pantsir?
@@rixuuu We're already dealing with that problem.
@@rixuuuI play cas and they shouldnt have nerfed VT1, pantsir shouldnt be the only solution but it basically creates NFZ if player isnt braindead. Spookston kids arent ready enough for that discussion though
tell me how to zoom in targeting pod like you did. is it specific to f16?????
I want to know too
Zoom isn't available on most aircraft
Use the zoom button while in the targeting pod. Some targeting pods don't have variable zoom, so it depends on if yours does.
Title should be "Tactics on how to beat Pantsir, but gets slapped by it anyways."
As a CAS operator, no you don't fly high against Pantsir. That's how you get killed faster.
Fire off mavericks left and right, and then maneuver. Pantsirs has to pick either 3 of you.
If you fly high, use the GBU-24 instead. Those thing can take a hit, and has Laser + IOG (only GBU with IOG iirc). The IOG helps a lot especially when you've lost your lock in mid-late stage of the bomb flight. Learn toss bombing with the GBU.
I once single-handedly took out 3 pantsirs with my Harrier Gr 7 flying low fully armed with Maverick G, the terrain also plays a role in your survivability.
-For pantsirs that don't move use walleyes (F4E - "point" lock)
-for surprise attacks carrying FFAR/Hydra on one pylon is great (or unguideds)
-Mavericks work if the pantsir player is dummy, but easily destroyable by it as well, Maverick launches from different positions work well
-Keep maneuvering but you will bleed energy eventually, don't go into maneuvering into the 2nd pantsir missile
-Try tossing unguideds but mach limit cucked that
On f15 in USA mach limit is 1.10 so you can abuse that to get rid of that annoying "too fast" message idk why it's 1.10 not 1.0 like everything else
Gaijin hurry up and introduce HARMs
I foresee the F15E with over 20 GBU-53/B bombs. But that would be overpowered
i hate to play against pantsir, i die almost every time its frustrating
For anyone who thinks HARMs would solve the problem, they are wrong. It would only make NATO SAM more useless, because USSR had on planes like SU-17 CH-25MP, CH-28 and CH-58 which are compareable to HARMS, but Pantsir woul have an easy live shooting HARM down, while NATO SAM would die or have to waste missiles.
Yeah CAS is super fun for people playing "ground battles"
Go Play WOT then this is a wargame
@@prorok2505 yeah, but in a real wargame Pantsir will be very strong, especially because there would be BUK and S-300W in the back, so CAS would be very hard irl too, but US mains are to dumb to play CAS when it get's a little harder so they cry for nerfs, just like german Tiger players
@@sturmovik_80 ADATS has a very weak radar, you cannot find the target from the third person like the Tunguska armor does, so you have to find the target in the sky manually, the rockets do not have a tandem warhead and in themselves they do not do much DMG to vehicles on the ground because most of them already have armor that protects them against HE missiles and the rocket no longer produces overpressure, so when you are in Pantsyrs1, in very bad weather, you can see all kinds of targets, even in the clouds, you are able to shoot them down in the place where the pilot starts the game, the rockets fly the fastest of all available ones, and they have high maneuverability when the rockets since adatsa they are no longer able to keep up with a flying opponent and a slight maneuver in the air is enough and the racket is stiff because they got a nerf, the same thing Tunguska got a year ago but this year they restored it to its previous settings. Which of the Abrams boys received a higher level of thermotherapy the fastest? when they added sep versions and ignored the fact that previous versions of abrams already had an improved version of thermal vision, subsequent abrams that are added to the game have a false protection value even though their weight is constantly increasing and here the gaijin still does not want to admit it. Why, when America got better CAS machines, gaijin decided to introduce an almost unnatural amount of clouds in the sky on each map, which completely blocks the capabilities of these planes? they are completely helpless when there are pancyruses on the ground. What does the fight against Russia usually look like? Russia has planes in the sky and a whole army of helicopters which itself destroys all German and Swedish Leopards without any problems, and you, playing e.g. USA, enter the plane and have to fight the Pantsir and at the same time with the MiG29, Russia always has complete control over the sky, and if you have control over the sky then you have won the match. Americans receive all machines in early versions, while their counterparts in other nations are already modernized. What did they do with XM1? they changed his bullet to one so weak that it has trouble penetrating even the weak points and all this because someone issued a false document. Why did you once have a good chance of winning when playing America, and now your chances of winning are very low? Have you ever played with the available a10 variants? the one from the technology tree has a TV range where you can only see targets from 4km away, the only guided weapons are Mavericks with which you have to be so close that you die before you get to the battle. Maverick, which has 50kg of TNT, hits the tank and only destroys its MG, where the crew should have evaporated due to the sheer amount of explosive charge, because Gaijin decided to change their damage physics to heatfs bullets as with 75ml caliber
imagine trying this hard just to kill a single pantsir, and gaijin decided to put the best CAS missile to a russian jet.. Best SPAA and best CAS on the same nation.. NO BIAS AT ALL :D
Best CAS? You're saying about that flying bus that is su-25? The longest-range anti-ground missile but definitely not the best CAS...
@@-..----.--.-... firing missiles from outside the range of all spaa is not the best CAS? Yeah it’s a flying bus. But what can ground units do to a flying bus that can’t be reached by every spaa except for pantsir? How can you not be the best cas when then pnly thing that can kill you is also within your nation? LOL
I ram in ground rb
But my main way is to play air rb
Addition - Hope they aren't on console and have worked out how to follow a tracked target.
I believe in TOR supremacy
Drag bombs and going trans sonic at tree top level
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
that feeling when the best pansir counter is a russian plane
How to beat pantsir:
- Don't have one braincell and don't fly in a straight line but dive down instead
- Throw a TV guided munition at roughly 13km
- Enjoy the results
very simple
cant wait for people to bitch about SPYDER AIO to the point that Python 5 will be nerfed to AIM9B standard
really is sad that gaijin thinks it is balanced for only russia to get this kind of a system
Why are people complaining about pantsir and tor?
They literally make the ground RB playable because if not u are basically always killed by a CAS.
Everytime someone spawns with a spaa like tor, pantsir, ito, german bus ect..
I am grateful because they will help us in making the game more enjoyable.
Only if they’re on your team… try fighting the Su-25SM3 in an ADATs and you’ll see why everyone else is a bit salty
@@Jayhawker32 I agree with the su25.
But we have tors and Ito to counter them.
At this point only the American patriot can save American tree.
And its only works in one way, pancyr save you only if you have them but others must fight with your helis and jets yes ? This is ok to you ? Smart player in tunguska is morę than you need to cover the sky
@@prorok2505 lmao the eurocopter is better than the top tier heli of Russia because everyone except Russia got fire and forget Missile for heli.
And tunguska can't deal with the current cas stuff because compared to other spaa the tunguska has inferior missile.
Then comes cas where su25 is the biggest headache but even then the lock range of the su25 is somewhere near 12 to 10km
@@theidiotictroublemaker2281 Before pancyr tunguska was the best cas in good hands in the game, they adde Thor and then pancyr, after Thor comes out they nerf all spaa rocket by 40%. PANCYR comes and he is the best AA in the game, then they buff tunguska to the same lvl Before the nerf when others are still nerfed when NATO still has CAS with maverick or GBU with tracking range only less than 6km when Russian had Mig23 who just made a orbital strike by a laser Rocket there was no spaa in NATO to fight them when they was on the space.
How much eurocopter we can see at the battle and how much k50k52 and russian jets? You are just a Russian player WHO only carea about one nation in the game
Remove Pantsir the Tunguska is the equivalent of everyone elses 11.7 vehicle.... And is at 10.7 because gaijin only has 2 braincells and they are fighting for 3rd
They adde pancyr for crying russian, Gaijin is a Soviets nothing more and they have USA fobia, they must show to the world a russian propaganda about Russian power, about how russian are better than NATO
@prorok2505 the only thing Russia is better at than nato is the turret toss Olympics
And all other netions get radar spaa already at 10.3, you think that's fair when russias first radar spaa would be at 11.7?
@@prorok2505 Definitly they have a USA fobia when they give USA vehicles like the ADATS that were never introduced in the US military and also are not a US made vehicle....
Meanwhile most soviet MBT's except T90M aren't modeld correct, they all have targeting speed like T90M, T80BWM and T72B3, also T-80U and T-80BWM get spall liners irl.
definitly USSR is getting overpowered by gaijin....
Also if you would look at the winrates, you would see that Germany and Sweden have much better winrate than russia, but nobody crying because of that, only if it's russia having something good it's called op....
@@sturmovik_80 ????? You must only have 2 braincells, And they appear to be fighting for 3rd.... Its not like there is the Radar SPAA at 7.7, 8.0, 9.3 and even the Strela at 10.0.... On top of the whole Vegetable proof Premium lineup at 10.0 that isn't absolutely busted... Yeah you are right how inconvenient for them to not have an absolutely busted SPAA at 10.7.....
Nerf s1
nerf cas
What is this low effort video bro? you didn't show us any tactics that work lol
First
get's a dislike from me for helping CAS players, CAS is already ruining the game, we don't need people telling everyone how to beat SPAA
I never see the most stupid video about hown"kill pancyr" its juz a two LUCKY kill
Main problem with your "way to kill" is your dead.
And the second problem is the fucking clouds in this game, they add not normal ammounts of clouds in battles to nerf US jets vs pancir becouse you cant see them from the air but they can see you.