The AIM-54 Phoenix Just got Buffed | War Thunder
Вставка
- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- The Phoenix got yet another buff, and this time was actually in a very meaningful way: it's agility. It's probably still not meta, but this makes it much more viable than it was previously.
00:00 Intro
00:16 Phoenix Buff
02:30 If Using Phoenix
02:59 Potential 25G Buff
05:05 12.0 Matchmaker
05:58 Sparrow Lock Range Buff
Outro Music: • Fights On - Summer Ski...
Discord link: / discord - Ігри
The most scary missile that can get buff from using all fins is AAM-3. Thing was designed around BTT and has absolutely humongous fins to pair it with but idk if you want to see this thing turning even more...
Honestly, it should get the buff even if it is to make it an effectively different missile than then the 9M because right now, the two are basically the same.
The AAM-3 doesn't actually use all the G loading it gets because the AOA doesn't pull hard enough, which leads to the 9M and AAM-3 pulling about the same, with the later having a slight edge and lower drag coefficients.
The other change that may come to it eventually is the seeker being changed to better match the real life counterpart but I don't know if or how they'll do that.
Unless they still dont add that feature, Im pretty sure the early aim9x would be shittier than R73
Omg there's no way that's how they implemented radar power. They mentioned that missile lock range would now depend on the radar power but I didn't imagine they'd actually edit the lock range for individual aircraft's missiles.
That is really how they did it lmao
honestly quite incredible
Programing wise this is the easiest way to implement.
@@dogechan1439 yes and no, if you only have a single missile per aircraft it could be, but I think it's easier to take radar power into account in whatever tracking algorithm they use and just change a single variable per radar instead of changing every single missile for every single aircraft.
So It's technically easier if you only do it for a few missiles. But WT has a ton of different missiles/aircraft/radars.
Its funny how the 54A is still slightly better than the B and C lmao.
NUH UH!!!! The 54C has a better paint job!!!
It shouldn't be. Frankly, all of the Phoenix's accelerate too slowly, and their top speed is not what it should be either. They're Mach 5+ missiles in reality, and they pull up to 30G's irl, not 17. The C's seeker should be damn near undefeatable. It should be basically impossible to notch, and it should still do pretty damn well against cold targets.
I hope they'll buff them once the other Fox 3's come next patch. I understand it being a bit nerfed when it was the only Fox 3 in the game, but when it's going to be up against AMRAAM's, R77s, Mica's etc, it should definitely be buffed.
@@PotatoeJoe69 Bait
@@PotatoeJoe69 i want my game playable thank you very much
Nice try fed @@PotatoeJoe69
I actually think that (given that they fix the multipathing issue) the Phoenix will become more viable as more and more jets climb to ensure their Fox-3 get the best launch parameters.
It will have best range and energy at those ranges for sure
would be unfun multipathing shouldn't be fixed
i hope they give the phoenix's motor the proper amount of thrust too, as it is 2000kgf short at the moment. would also be nice if they gave the C it's main feature of reestablishing data link with the mothership if you have to regain a lock. it also feel like they upped the amount of drag on the phoenix too as mine have been subsonic after only 15 miles of travel even when a launch from around 10k feet at mach 1.3ish
@@ferrous3262Hell no multipathing should be fixed not fun to see your missile slam into the ground cause someone is flying ow
@@Dragonmaster6587for balancing I think they should keep it. Fox 3 shouldn’t be an insta kill
It's nice to see the Tomcat getting some love.
it got worse bro
@@uladzimirhryharovich8852 In what way?
@@uladzimirhryharovich8852In what way?
1.f14a got a big buff this patch, it now drops single countermeasures instead of double pops. It was really needed cause it has only 60 of them, and now it is possible to take chaff and flares and play high-alt games
2. I had a 35nm sparrow kill once. It was a grand/great canyon map, i was in an f15, climbed at about 45k feet mach 1.6, launched it at another high-alt guy to suppress him, he even tried to notch my missile, and just after I launched a second one about a minute after that my first 35nm sparrow hits him!
35 nm is like absolute aerodynamic limit for sparrow, good kill!
> Missile designed to intercept large anti - ship missiles
> War thunder players in AIR RB: "so anyways, I started blasting"
SO TRUE
Tell that to the Iraqi air force that got rinsed by the Iranian f14s.
@@skyfox0096 There's also a story that the Iranians fired an AIM-54 at a close formation of enemy fighters and shot down three Iraqi aircraft
To be fair this was absolutely needed, i dont even have Phoenix's but i have only ever died to them twice, when i wasnt paying attention
As someone who plays the F14, the pheonix is not worth using lol. It is better to bring 6 7Fs (on the A( and 4 7Ms on the B
@@Bartholomew_TX As someone who also plays the F-14, they have their niche as a heavy-hitting sniper missile. Just keep soft lock on your targets for as long as possible (by that I mean for as long as you feel is safe) and they'll hit what you shoot it at if you've given them the proper launch speed and altitude.
Being able to put pressure on... let's say for this example 2 players up high by firing 2 Phoenixes then immediately dive down to the treetops to get into the safety of ground clutter, or just notch period to avoid a missile that just got launched at you, those Phoenixes will eventually go Pitbull on their own (54-A) / immediately go Pitbull (54-C) after you break lock, and have a fighting chance to acquire their own lock and dome the target.
In that same situation where you only bring Sparrows, now you can only send one to a single target, then if you get locked and a missile is launched at you, you may have to let the Sparrow go stupid by breaking your own lock so you can properly notch against the incoming missile or dive down to the treetop to get into the protection of ground clutter.
@uberschnilthegreat22 that is true, but I do not like having to sit in space with pheonixes, I would rather play the F14 as a fighter and rush in and fight instead of sitting around sniping, you are more useful when you fight especially in something as good as the F14
@@Bartholomew_TX And you can readily do both at the same time by bringing just 2 Phoenixes in the wing pylons and 4 in the fuselage. Once you expend your phoenixes you can pretty much do as you please if you're confident the Phoenixes will hit on their own, with the benefit you can strike down on enemies from above.
@@uberschnilthegreat22 i would also not top down attack my enemies, with a shitass RWR, it makes it a lot harder to know if you have an R27ER coming for your ass unlike in something like an F15 or F16C
I just randomly got a airspawn map with my mig 23.
My Phoenixes are about to be popping off 😆.
Real!!!
Golan heights deff got airspawns rn
Magic 2 with 50G is scary
It very well may come
IDK, but i was testing Macics and watch them in that sensor view and saw numbers like 60, 70 or highest even 120g.
@@RomanKyncl2000sir that is not true at all 😂
Magic 1s got a buff and it's amazing. I can only imagine 50g magic 2s.
The magic with the buff already turn amazing
bro this automatic radar messed up quite a few of my missiles 😢😢😢
How do you mean? In theory it should keep lock better? I've not played with many radar missles since update I'm curious.
@@williamgunter4268if u were using su27 or mig29 it could’ve changed the radar mode to irst
@@grahh7234 even with a radar missle selected? That's bad.
@@williamgunter4268
As it should. If DCS is to be believed, if you lose a lock, it will change to EO and keep radar on aswell to reaquire the target.
Basically EO and radar will work together.
If the AIM-54C got its combined 25G pull and smokeless motor, combined with this AoA buff, it could actually be pretty damn good
It'd basically be the Rod of God for aircraft missiles, a true top-down near-hypersonic menace that you'd never see coming.
Don't forget also a proper loft profile and massive reduced drag (it's currently day too high)
I have a strat i like to call "Dodge this", its where you dump all you phoenixes on the first guy that commits to a head on + sparrow for good measure
Magic II can use combined plane, its rear fins are free rotating and they stay the same. Rest of missile rotates so it can use both sets of frontal fins.
25 G phoenix would be baller
Gaijin when
@@GeneralLee2000 When they find more american valid documents that are declassified. EMPHASIS on declassified.
It's not a different version of the 7F and M that they've added. Editing the missile parameters is just the way they implemented the varying radar power and how it is capable of increasing the range of the missile seeker by having a more powerful illimitation.
This... explains a lot
hy man love ur content ! how can i change the kill\assist/crit log like in your videos ? i'm looking for a long time how to change it , Thank you !!
I hope this encourages more diverse gameplay, ie most dogfights happening at 30k feet rather than down on the deck. the altitude would make dogfights more fun as aerobatics becomes more prominant, as apposed to low altitude where a major concern is leaving a crater without even being hit....
I still dont like that all radar missiles dive into the ground when a plane is low, i understand the whole radar shadow but missiles should have thighter doppler gates, also i would love for missiles to have different pull capabilities depending on their orientation and if able orient themselves to ideal position
5:23 same for me in the first mig 29 been enjoying it more then the second one due to the matchmaker
Yes, wasn't it shown to gaijin that the Magic 2 can always pull 50 due to its rotating tail or something?
Yes
Are the A/C variant still same besides explosive mass and overall mass? Or does C actually have better tracking? The wiki suggests that the C is better at tracking with TWS.
I’m so glad you posted this I’m having a blast using these again in different situations testing how they do.
IIRC The way the A and C are different is what they do when lock is initially lost by the parent aircraft. With the A, it will first rely on inertial guidance based on the last known trajectory of the target aircraft, then when it's within range of where it thinks it should now be, its seeker it will go Pitbull and actively search for the target. With the C, it skips the inertial guidance step and immediately goes Pitbull for its entire flight path the moment the parent aircraft loses lock.
@@uberschnilthegreat22 sick! Thanks.
Explains a few things
I agree with the 12.0 matchmaker you’ve talked about. I’ve been having a lot of fun in the F-16A ADF.
Edit: Nevermind. I was playing the ADF this morning and never got a single downtier 😂.
I really don’t like air RB above 10.0 because it’s just premium plane city or it’s 25km range radar missiles from 43 directions at once that just don’t feel like letting you chaff the lock. I don’t love 10.0 but in certain planes it’s pretty fun however the problem is that that is the BR range where you get a lot of good airframes with bad modules aka no flares or bad missiles mixed in with bad airframes with stupid missiles (ahem ahem all aspects ahem) and if you don’t have flares your kinda just dead if your in range. Although with the right planes it’s really good especially because there are not 15 F4S phantoms on both teams shooting down teammates in order to bomb bases and generally being a huge pain
I fired a 65km aim 7M shot with F-15 and the missile was actually tracking really well, even with the target trying to dodge, the missile was right there about to connect but it ran out of energy at the last second.
Yeah the energy is the issue lol
When I fly my GR.7 the Tomcats make it rain AIM54s but when I’m in my Gripen at 12.7 it’s rare to see Tomcats and usually SU27s and the 12.7 MIG-29s outshine them at 12.7. So, yeah, 12.0 is actually making the Tomcat “easier” to play
On my hunderds of matches while grinding the tech tree, I've died to a Phoenixes exactly 2 times and both of them was because I was AFK.
Id say fin aoa affects more slow speed turn since the lmiting factor inst g yet the faster you are the nore gs you per per degree/s of turn so at higher speeds the g limit limits fin actuation anyways
The Phoenix just how it is right now after the buff plus a faster acceleration would be perfect. It accelerates so painfully slow that It's only around mach 3 when it burns out on a good launch. It immediately loses all of that airspeed and stalls when it does burn out.
Lately it seems like the 7M and the AAM3 connect more consistently, it's as if they got buffed 👀👀
Absolutely not for the 7M. It is more inconsistent and unreliable than ever.
They should use = (single plane+combined plane) / 2 for most realistic result (average). And if the missile is auto positioning like the Phoenix, then combined plane.
Did you watch that 180 video from AF_NightHawk I mentioned in the stream?
I did! Pretty impressive, I wasn't expecting it to be able of doing that.
using 4*54c 2*7m 2*9l setup for the last few weeks with 2+ frags per battle but in last few days phoenixes actually become not better but worse maybe its just how i feel but agility wasnt really what they needed
The Phoenix will remain undefeated when it comes to range at the moment
Unless they add the R-37M or Meteor, it will stay that way
The Phoenix will never see those BRs@@RT42069
The great channel membership shoutout recession has hit us. Our screen real estates getting smaller and smaller, we must beat back inflation! Damn you economics!!!
Gratz on more members tho, I hope someday you crowd fund lotsa money and become super rich by making us superb content!🎉
I appreciate it hahaha! And yeah sorry, I gotta fit all the names somehow!
I’ve been using my 54c’s like aim7s and they work well
So, honest question here. If a Tomcat's potency after firing 4x phoenix's is 2 sparrows, wouldn't carrying 2 more phoenix's and therefore increasing the likelihood of more vehicles being taken-out early on in the match be MORE beneficial to your team than being a slower, hotter, larger mid-close quarter dogfighter with only 2 more shots to fire?
The Phoenix is still not as reliable as the sparrow, so if you're looking to get a lot of frags more sparrows is better. If you do get lucky though then yes, having 4 phoenix CAN knock people out eaely
How do u switch between targetS?
They dont want to lower br for tomcats but also have to make it more competitive against top jets 😮
F14 are good enough, US air rb players just suck massive ass, same as german 5.7 ground rb mains
That's even more funny that I find this video just after getting killed by a Phoenix (I was defending lmao maybe too late tho)
Are they going to finally reduce multipath? It is still ridiculous to have a completely safe altitude. It's not even accurate for the missiles, including aim54s, to have to deal with.
The 12.0 br has been such a boon for the f14b, I've been taking 6 AIM54s and can casually blast at least 2 people on average in most matches. I even got one match where I got a kill with all 6 phoenixes. I've been racking up aces with it for like the past month or so.
How do u get TWS working? Ive tried several tutorials, copied each one step by step and....nothing
It’s only on certain top tiers. Just open your tools menu (the green one circle one) and select radar, then select switch radar type. (You can also key bind a button in the controls to swap it as well.)
Wdym by working? As long as you're in the mode, once it sweeps over someone they'll pop up on your display
Try, hitting the SELECT RADAR TARGET TO LOCK, keybind, sometimes the targets don't show up until you press that once, then press it again to cycle through targets,
Hey man, I am currently working on a essay about war thunder and I am wondering if you would be up to do a quick interview as you are experienced in the game.
Depends what exactly you're looking for but I'm not opposed
@@GeneralLee2000 I just have a couple of questions that I would like consulting on from an expert as we are not allowed to get any of our information from forums like reddit etc.
I haven’t played in a few months but my go to load out for the F-14 was 2 sparrows 2 Phoenix and 4 aim 9 L. Loved dogfights in this thing. Would usually get a Phoenix kill 1 out of 3 games and very rarely hit both of them. gotta aim for the cas dudes in the back not paying attention.
I haven’t used the F14 for interception in ground rb in a long time but the phoenix used to be good at sniping helicopters, at least they were last time I tried
@@ICECAPPEDSKY I haven’t touched ground rb in years I’ve drifted into planes too much. Also wanted to add that running 4 sidewinders gives you an unholy amount of chaff and flares.
I would actually recommend more sparrows because the F-14 can auto change radar locks when the lock is weak allowing for insane kills.
Ibhave the classifide infromation,going to release
i found my best setup for f14b is 4 phoenix, 2 sparrow and 2 sidewinders, with default 60 flares no chaff, for real chaffs are not that usable on top tier, and that extra countermeasures pods are trash cause they just spit them, i just died to aim9j... it would be ok when you can choose to deploy one of your 60 flares or some of 640 chaffs
First time I have ever seen somebody denounce bringing more flares ☠
@@uberschnilthegreat22 this is not unreasonable, you dont understand difference between deploying flares away from plane and leaving them just behind? with that flare pods i got hit by basic rear aspect rockets, and with default flares i dodge aim9m and aim9l
The biggest buff this missile could receive would be one to its loft profile. Currently, all Aim-54's loft at 17.5 degrees, which does very little for its actual energy at long range. If it was increased to a 50 or 60 degree loft angle max with a proper profile to boot, the missile would be infinitely more deadly at long range. 80km shots will be trivial for it if shot from altitude. Once these newer Fox-3's come, it is my hope Aim-54 will be put to her proper glory to keep F-14 competitive.
Yeah the loft angle is very small right now
I usually angle my nose up and loft them up myself. You can angle them up like 50⁰ yourself
@@aviatorlewski9310 I have indeed tried the manual loft and the energy difference is insane. Minus like ~10 seconds to impact at long range. Problem is I can really only do it one at a time in STT rather than TWS since TWS tends to break at high angles for me
Is it burning for a lot longer now to? Thing looks like it's actually getting pretty close to people before burning out finally where before this update it'd be out shortly after finishing its loft
No changes xD
go up 30k feet, mach 1, range to target 31 miles. manual loft 30 degrees, have fun
How to switch target in TWS mode? Which button should I use?
its a button in your controls, just search for something like choose target to lock on to
How to avoid these, I get hit by them at 10m off the deck all the time
Will the Ju-87 get R-37M?
We'll probably get the F-14D with 9Ms upon the upgrade of the aim54 and put it at 12.3 imo
Theoretically the f14d can carry aim120s
@@dakotaregister1549 Was tested but never accepted into service. The D can carry the HARM and 4 JDAMs (I have a picture for proof)
@HEATSEEKR the f20a was tested and never put in service... we have so many prototype and experimental things in the game rn anyway, so it's not far-fetched
@@dakotaregister1549 I was inferring the amraam being tested on the F-14. Budget constraints ended the program unfortunately. We did however get the precision strike capability of the F-14 out of it so ended up being a net positive.
Nah the F-14D carries 9Xs
Who asked for the radar change in regards to automatic radar?
Great question!
I could probably count on my hands rhe amount of times i have actually died to a pheonix. Heck, I have probably shot down more f14s than that.
hit War Thunder Content Creator General Lee! How does one come up with things to talk about in a Videoy! (I want to make a commentary video(y) thing on why rb ec would be good and gaijin needs to add it but I cannot figure out how I would write a good script and i think you're qualified enough to tell me how (also i'm the guy from those like two matches where you killed the me-262 and then i went head on with you and died instantly inshallah))
i've found using the phoenix sub 10km provides very decent results
Definitely better than before! From my experience it'a just still been going to slow to properly react at that range
now if only they could get TWS working poperly for the AWG9 and fix the fucking lofting not going up like 2 feet so they actually have the range they should. im not complaining that its underpowered, it definitely is good when it decides to work, im mad that the AIM54/AWG9 system doesnt function at all how it should. at range the phoenix should loft to 80 000-100 000ft, even at 25-30nm they should loft over 20 000ft
and give the f14 drop tanks, its a navy fighter ffs, it had bags from the get-go, why doesnt it have them in game, why must you do this to me gaijin
All this is facts
I was just wondering why the phoenixes worked so good in the last days..
Really I’ve been having the opposite problem, I used to get tons of kills with them but after the update they don’t hit anything (maybe something to do with auto mode?)
Definitily auto mode. Worst radar changes in years@@ybsaber
Fire and forget with an fox 1 missle that has ARH and not SARH that it should have :D funny .
I am out here killing jets with maverick missiles
Trve
great for usa bais. at this point why are there other country's and not just usa like there is zero point of having any other country beside usa
yeah that with the: i need that for schooll doenst work on western parents
🇺🇸
I wonder if they'll ever add the R-27EA/EM (essentially an R-27R/ER with an R-77 seeker) as a middle rank modification for some of the later flankers and what not.
Evidence suggests that it only existed on paper.
This game's balance is such a joke at top tier. 12.3 BR F-15Js with AAM-3s? lol
Phoenixes have always been strong - their explosive mass is so large that being close enough to the ground to avoid them usually kills the plane anyways, and now with this additional agility you can't just automatically dodge them.
When aim 9 x
Finally, different radars have different performances with the same missiles! Now US jets can actually shoot first with slower aams than R27s, lmfao 😂
Wassup lee?
Heya
what will germany get for fox 3?
F-4F ICE
There is no aim-54b in the game
All this work on missiles for 50 km maps of arcade feeling death pit arcade RB. give me new game modes
this missile got one nerf and about 6 buffs since release. Totally needs more otherwise we know what community will cry.
Mf you're acting like the Phoenix can't pull more than 17 Gs. Also stop acting like you're morally superior for playing a nation that's not America. You're not special.
@@mikeyplayz8438 oh dont worry mf. I AM supperior for not playing America. Also who said im not playing it? Youre on a mass guessing trip lmao
Have you ever even used this missile? It’s fucking trash at war thunder engagement distances and even when you get a perfect launch they suck if the enemy has a brain.
@@blanchbacker its almost as if all missiles suck if the enemy has a brain...
Dude the AIM-54C is a mach 5 missile falling down terminally from 80,000+ feet in real life. Its not that "aMericAn maiNs cRy foR buFFs", Its that everything they get is absolutely cucked
it was buffed so much its easier to dodge