First of I can't tell you how grateful me an the community are for these tests, especially for opening the new battery! Thanks to this I can see that cells inside are Ampace 21700A (JP40), 4ah tabless 21700 cells rated at 45-60A cont depending on the temp, compared to 30A cont from the old regular 4Ah 21700 cells. They really seem to work great. Btw Ampace is the OEM for pouch packs for DeWalt and Flex tools.
@2:10 you remark about ëxtra protection, but I think that might just be to protect the RFID tag under that bit of thermal-resistant tape, rather than protecting the solder joint? Probably doesn't matter either way, just a small note.
Absolute monster of a drill. However, I think for my needs, I'll probably still aim to get the 805. Cheaper and more compact. Doubt I would ever put the full power of these beasts to use.
No problem! Yeah its a monster, I didn't expect it to do well after seeing TTCs test. But the new 8ah clearly make a huge difference. Yeah me too for the most part the DCD805 will do everything I need.
Honestly dewalt makes one battery that sets them apart from everyone else and is the only reason id consider the brand. Its the 1.7ps. For how small and lightweight it is, giving regular 6ah performance, it almost feels competitive with 12v platforms with 18v power
Yep I agree 100% pipeline was a huge letdown imo. That 1.7 is the perfect use of pouch cells. But Milwaukee release only 8/12 while Rigid and Ryobi have a new 4ah. No the 4ah is not the 1.7 in size but it at least should pack a punch.
@Tools-Tested the new 4ah for ryobi and ridgid will be like the old 3ah that was a 1p of 21700 cells and regularly out performed its larger counterparts. But like that 3ah it will be almost 2p size. I would love a ryobi edge battery in the form factor of the 1.5ah battery, I don't care if it's only 1.5ah, it would allow them to compete with things like skil and their 12v lineup weight wise while sticking to the oneplus
@@Tools-Testedto be fair, Milwaukee has their 3.0Ah compact HO battery which is pretty much the baseline for me with the Milwaukee tools that I own (battery nailers!!!) … the battery looks goofy on the Gen 4 Milwaukee but it’s arguably a direct competitor to the 1.7Ah PS from Dewalt…. And this is coming from huge Dewalt fanboy lol Milwaukee should make a 3.0Ah forge battery instead of a 1.7Ah or 2.0Ah… their batteries generally dies quicker compared to other competitors (like Dewalt) so a 1.7Ah would have more disadvantages/complaints from the community in my opinion
I want this new hammer drill kit an the new dcf860 impact driver kit so I'll have two 8ah xr ps battery's an right now i have justbone 6ah flexvolt battery
Thanks! Yeah the first production unit, TTC had what looked like preproduction. I was somehow was able to buy the DCD1007 and the 8ah first. Im surprised they didn't send units to the big UA-camrs.
@@Tools-Tested Yeah, I was aware of TTC having a pre production unit, but I should have stipulated that yours was the first Production. Hey come on now, You ain't no “small fry” My Man, even if You don’t always pick my favorite brand?! 🤔😆👍
3:19 out of curiosity, how long do you wait between each test? Copper's resistivity increases by 0.4%/celsius (0.22%/F) and mosfets are about 0.5%/C, so each run is likely to get weaker from the drill getting hotter.
@Tools-Tested 12? I thought you said average of 3. Do you do every battery once (there's 13 in your chart), then wait an hour, then 2nd run on all batteries, then wait an hour, then 3rd run? Which order of batteries do you normally do? Highest to lowest or lowest to highest?
I love seeing that old rocker switch Snap On screw gun come out! I use mine on all my RC cars. I do wish the clutch went a little lower in torque, though I know it was never meant to be a precision thing. So this is the new Dewalt power pack that uses tab-less cells but does not replace the power stack correct? Do wet know if a power pack greater than 5AH is coming out? I’m super excited to see you get your hands on the new totally not pouch cell but totally still named Forge batteries. I’m not a fan of DeWalt but that drill is pretty powerful. But it’s also quite wide! Got a big honkin motor in there!
Yeah that snapon screw gun is handy, really love that trigger. I would say they keep the 1.7 and 5 but dont add anymore considering the performance we are seeing. Im sure the cost to make is a lot lower as well. Yeah it will be inserting to see hoe the new 8/12 forge do, confusing naming though. Dewalt seems to be investing in new tools lately.
I'm curious what the output is in hammer drill mode. They spec higher rpm's for some reason. Maybe power as well? I have not seen anyone test this. The previous generations were like this as well. You could also shift it back into normal drill mode while it's running without losing the extra speed.
Interesting stuff. Thanks for collecting so much data. I personally don’t need it, but I’d be really interested in knowing how well different drills perform at 1/4 battery. Can you drill big holes all day long, or do some of the drills only perform well for the first couple holes of a battery charge? I’m an amateur and I work slowly, so I don’t need all day battery runtime. It’s purely curiosity.
Will you be able to have a short comparison test with dcd805? Most of them have this or are inclined towards this dcd805. I know dcd1007 is way more powerful than dcd805 but it's good to know how much more powerful it is😊 Nobody has posted this comparison on UA-cam and you will be the first one.
@@Tools-Testedon the Milwaukee Forge 8.0, there was no improvement in charge time on either Supercharger. The Forge 12 improved from 60 min to 45 min. I’m predicting there will probably be no improvement in the DCB2108 but I look forward to your testing. I’d test it myself but the 2108 isn’t yet widely available where I live.
@@Tools-Tested Would be nice if they came out with a dual-bay 12A charger similar to the Milwaukee 48-11-1815. It's either single bay or four bay with DeWalt (DCB104, but only 8 Amps). They do have an obscure DCB132 dual-bay but that was a 4A charger that came with the mitre saw kit. It's been discontinued. They also have a DCB102 dual-bay but that is also a 4A charger and rather dated, although not completely disconitnued.
Can care less if it was made in China (as if that's a bad thing anyways; QC is hit or miss many times in general.). That said, WOW!! If I was looking for a new drill, this would be up there. The upgraded handle is a long time quality of life & practical necessity lol. The adjustable LED (I remember using the 999 a while back) super bright - enough that even a headlamp wouldn't be necessary I recall lol. And the rubberized battery pack is a bonus atop the performance kick you get. The subdued colors are also nice (personal preference**). It's a gurthy boy but it packs the punch alright 👍🏽 Awesome coverage & review!
Could care less that You could care less of this drill’s Origin. Are You Pro China or something, because it sounds like it based on your wording? It’s a Global market, but there are some that would prefer items made elsewhere, as in Taiwan, Vietnam, or Mexico, or best yet, HERE, in the U. S. A. !!! I have found some of DeWalt’s tools made in Mexico, not quite as good as from China? Who knows?
Does anyone else think they're trying to trick people into thinking it's a powerstack? Using that gray over mold that they use on the power stack batteries and calling it a powerpack? No doubt it's a good battery but lithium polymer (pouch cells like the powerstack series) is the king, it has the highest power density and amp output of any battery technology currently available to the public although not quite as safe, and can handle a lot more charge\ discharge cycles to boot so they last a lot longer. Been using lithium polymer batteries in my RC stuff for over a decade for a reason.
The "old" 8Ah (DCB208) still used 21700 sized cells, they were Samsung 40T cells. This just uses tabless 21700 cells, which give it increased performacne.
@@TranTek i think Milwaukee is also using Ampace JP40. Some of us guessed EVE 40PL, but the colour was hard to tell. The Toolbox Buzz video had cells that looked more grey than light purple, so I think Milwaukee is also using Ampace.
@@TranTek yep both this and Milwaukee forge 8 use ampace jp40. They can't be moli 50b because that would be 10ah and they are also not tabless, they have dual tabs :)
Really compare apples with apples, how you playing :pouch cells, 8 ah 40volts! Now tabless cells.. what a heck learn something of TTC, and make no diferente with 5 ah 18650 standard
So I’m just supposed to exclude pouch cells because other brands don’t offer them? and never test 40v bc it’s 40v.. I test the tools with every available battery so you can go back and compare your “apples to apples” in the charts. It’s pointless just to compare them all with a 5ah 18650 pack. The battery is just as important as the tool so why would you disqualify it? The point is to see which tool performs the best correct? If you notice TTC is testing with different ah battery’s and pouch so I’m confused?
Milwaukee forge are way better technologie at least we can supercharged them dewalt no and not impress by the quality of the consctruction of the batterie
Lol fanboy detected. Can milwaukee charge 4 batteries at once atbat least a rapid charge rate? Nope. Plus dewalt does have at least a single charger that has a higher rate of charge. 12amp output for the 1 port. Idk how that compares to milwaukee mite be slower and of course not a double. Ill take the 4 port fast charger any day over less ports and faster charging. Who really needs to charge jus 1 battery that fast? You don't have others?
I don't wanna supercharge them worst thing possible for a battery is draining them fast and charging them fast the supercharger is literally killing your batteries
First of I can't tell you how grateful me an the community are for these tests, especially for opening the new battery!
Thanks to this I can see that cells inside are Ampace 21700A (JP40), 4ah tabless 21700 cells rated at 45-60A cont depending on the temp, compared to 30A cont from the old regular 4Ah 21700 cells. They really seem to work great. Btw Ampace is the OEM for pouch packs for DeWalt and Flex tools.
This.
Good comment
No Problem! Interesting, yeah they really perform well. I can see why everyone seems to be pushing tabless now.
Tools tested strikes again 😎 just found your UA-cam membership program. Let's go 👍
Awesome! Thank you! I appreciate the support!
Good comment
Hell yeah! Looking forward to this one! Thanks as always! Very exciting kit here.
@2:10 you remark about ëxtra protection, but I think that might just be to protect the RFID tag under that bit of thermal-resistant tape, rather than protecting the solder joint? Probably doesn't matter either way, just a small note.
Absolute monster of a drill. However, I think for my needs, I'll probably still aim to get the 805. Cheaper and more compact. Doubt I would ever put the full power of these beasts to use.
No problem! Yeah its a monster, I didn't expect it to do well after seeing TTCs test. But the new 8ah clearly make a huge difference.
Yeah me too for the most part the DCD805 will do everything I need.
Honestly dewalt makes one battery that sets them apart from everyone else and is the only reason id consider the brand. Its the 1.7ps. For how small and lightweight it is, giving regular 6ah performance, it almost feels competitive with 12v platforms with 18v power
Yep I agree 100% pipeline was a huge letdown imo. That 1.7 is the perfect use of pouch cells. But Milwaukee release only 8/12 while Rigid and Ryobi have a new 4ah. No the 4ah is not the 1.7 in size but it at least should pack a punch.
@Tools-Tested the new 4ah for ryobi and ridgid will be like the old 3ah that was a 1p of 21700 cells and regularly out performed its larger counterparts. But like that 3ah it will be almost 2p size.
I would love a ryobi edge battery in the form factor of the 1.5ah battery, I don't care if it's only 1.5ah, it would allow them to compete with things like skil and their 12v lineup weight wise while sticking to the oneplus
@@Tools-Testedto be fair, Milwaukee has their 3.0Ah compact HO battery which is pretty much the baseline for me with the Milwaukee tools that I own (battery nailers!!!) … the battery looks goofy on the Gen 4 Milwaukee but it’s arguably a direct competitor to the 1.7Ah PS from Dewalt…. And this is coming from huge Dewalt fanboy lol
Milwaukee should make a 3.0Ah forge battery instead of a 1.7Ah or 2.0Ah… their batteries generally dies quicker compared to other competitors (like Dewalt) so a 1.7Ah would have more disadvantages/complaints from the community in my opinion
Which is better 1.7ps or 5ah xr battery?
I want this new hammer drill kit an the new dcf860 impact driver kit so I'll have two 8ah xr ps battery's an right now i have justbone 6ah flexvolt battery
Tools Tested !!!!!!!! This is great and appreciate the Review. You're “first out of the gate” I believe?
Thanks! Yeah the first production unit, TTC had what looked like preproduction.
I was somehow was able to buy the DCD1007 and the 8ah first. Im surprised they didn't send units to the big UA-camrs.
@@Tools-Tested Yeah, I was aware of TTC having a pre production unit, but I should have stipulated that yours was the first Production.
Hey come on now, You ain't no “small fry” My Man, even if You don’t always pick my favorite brand?! 🤔😆👍
3:19 out of curiosity, how long do you wait between each test? Copper's resistivity increases by 0.4%/celsius (0.22%/F) and mosfets are about 0.5%/C, so each run is likely to get weaker from the drill getting hotter.
I do 12 pulls on the dyno, then let the tool sit for a hour.
@Tools-Tested 12? I thought you said average of 3. Do you do every battery once (there's 13 in your chart), then wait an hour, then 2nd run on all batteries, then wait an hour, then 3rd run?
Which order of batteries do you normally do? Highest to lowest or lowest to highest?
Average of 3 per battery, 12 per tool before I let it cool down.
Normally I skip from high to low output.
excellent review - thank you!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
I wish the dcd800 had a side handle like this one
Yep the 800 is a beast, wish it did.
They are 18650 batteries stacked together I believe
Yeah I’m curious who is making them.
Excellent video man, great work!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
excellent test！
Thank you!
I love seeing that old rocker switch Snap On screw gun come out! I use mine on all my RC cars. I do wish the clutch went a little lower in torque, though I know it was never meant to be a precision thing.
So this is the new Dewalt power pack that uses tab-less cells but does not replace the power stack correct? Do wet know if a power pack greater than 5AH is coming out?
I’m super excited to see you get your hands on the new totally not pouch cell but totally still named Forge batteries.
I’m not a fan of DeWalt but that drill is pretty powerful. But it’s also quite wide! Got a big honkin motor in there!
Yeah that snapon screw gun is handy, really love that trigger.
I would say they keep the 1.7 and 5 but dont add anymore considering the performance we are seeing. Im sure the cost to make is a lot lower as well.
Yeah it will be inserting to see hoe the new 8/12 forge do, confusing naming though.
Dewalt seems to be investing in new tools lately.
This looks like the 60v mixer drill you should compare it lol
Yeah would be interning to see, hope to test the mixers at some point.
Owning both, the 60v mixer is still gigantic compared to the new 1007.
I'm curious what the output is in hammer drill mode. They spec higher rpm's for some reason. Maybe power as well? I have not seen anyone test this.
The previous generations were like this as well. You could also shift it back into normal drill mode while it's running without losing the extra speed.
Interesting stuff. Thanks for collecting so much data.
I personally don’t need it, but I’d be really interested in knowing how well different drills perform at 1/4 battery. Can you drill big holes all day long, or do some of the drills only perform well for the first couple holes of a battery charge?
I’m an amateur and I work slowly, so I don’t need all day battery runtime. It’s purely curiosity.
Will you be able to have a short comparison test with dcd805?
Most of them have this or are inclined towards this dcd805.
I know dcd1007 is way more powerful than dcd805 but it's good to know how much more powerful it is😊
Nobody has posted this comparison on UA-cam and you will be the first one.
Yeah I already tested the DCD805, at the very end off this video show how it did. The actual test video is ua-cam.com/video/T0rokHDHTYs/v-deo.html
Can this be used as a regular driver. So you have one drill for most jobs ?
Unless your driving lags or drilling big holes I would recommend the DCD800 or 805 as a daily.
@@Tools-Tested
I work in the plumbing industry. Do you think this model could make it ?
Just curious if anybody knows what the charge time is supposed to be on the DCB208 and DCB2108 on the DCB1112 12A charger.
Hoping to test that in about a month.
@@Tools-Testedon the Milwaukee Forge 8.0, there was no improvement in charge time on either Supercharger. The Forge 12 improved from 60 min to 45 min. I’m predicting there will probably be no improvement in the DCB2108 but I look forward to your testing. I’d test it myself but the 2108 isn’t yet widely available where I live.
Yeah probably not, I think dewalt needs to update the chargers.
@@Tools-Tested Would be nice if they came out with a dual-bay 12A charger similar to the Milwaukee 48-11-1815. It's either single bay or four bay with DeWalt (DCB104, but only 8 Amps). They do have an obscure DCB132 dual-bay but that was a 4A charger that came with the mitre saw kit. It's been discontinued. They also have a DCB102 dual-bay but that is also a 4A charger and rather dated, although not completely disconitnued.
Can care less if it was made in China (as if that's a bad thing anyways; QC is hit or miss many times in general.). That said, WOW!!
If I was looking for a new drill, this would be up there. The upgraded handle is a long time quality of life & practical necessity lol. The adjustable LED (I remember using the 999 a while back) super bright - enough that even a headlamp wouldn't be necessary I recall lol. And the rubberized battery pack is a bonus atop the performance kick you get. The subdued colors are also nice (personal preference**). It's a gurthy boy but it packs the punch alright 👍🏽
Awesome coverage & review!
Could care less that You could care less of this drill’s Origin. Are You Pro China or something, because it sounds like it based on your wording? It’s a Global market, but there are some that would prefer items made elsewhere, as in Taiwan, Vietnam, or Mexico, or best yet, HERE, in the U. S. A. !!! I have found some of DeWalt’s tools made in Mexico, not quite as good as from China? Who knows?
Yeah it really packs a punch, Dewalt did a good job IMO.
Thanks!
Does anyone else think they're trying to trick people into thinking it's a powerstack? Using that gray over mold that they use on the power stack batteries and calling it a powerpack? No doubt it's a good battery but lithium polymer (pouch cells like the powerstack series) is the king, it has the highest power density and amp output of any battery technology currently available to the public although not quite as safe, and can handle a lot more charge\ discharge cycles to boot so they last a lot longer. Been using lithium polymer batteries in my RC stuff for over a decade for a reason.
Just like the Milwaukee Forage, it's almost like they are trying to confuse the consumer.
1:25 Que paso con esa placa de la batería? Es muy sencilla
HOW YOU GET THE BATTERY So FA$T HAVE MINE ON for 2 weeks from ACME next one will be the new MILWAUKEE M18 FORGE 8 AMP TABLESS CELLS next month
Had to buy the kit with the DCD1007, from Ohio Power Tool in the link above. Yeah will be interesting to see how the forage compares.
someone should take a 12ah flexvolt and replace the 40T cells with these JP40 cells for a serious monster battery
Hopefully we see one this year, if not then I will probably build one.
I rather take the more compact tool Makita if I had no other choice.
Goddamned imperial strikes again
damn thought they woulda made the battery with pouches
My only problem is it’s ugly though over that note it’s still a purchase, I’ll let the Apprentice Use it and decide from there
No Milwaukee
It was tested in part 2 this is P3.
The cells are 21700. The old ones are 18650
The "old" 8Ah (DCB208) still used 21700 sized cells, they were Samsung 40T cells. This just uses tabless 21700 cells, which give it increased performacne.
@@thehhoff69 thank you for correcting me on that
I just can’t trust DeFault 🤷🏻♂️
Those cells might be Molicel P50B Tabless
At 1:56 we can see "...pace 21700A". They are most likely Ampace JP40
@@toolscientistahhh thought they use same cells as Milwaukee
@@TranTek i think Milwaukee is also using Ampace JP40. Some of us guessed EVE 40PL, but the colour was hard to tell. The Toolbox Buzz video had cells that looked more grey than light purple, so I think Milwaukee is also using Ampace.
@@toolscientisti did find threat where you mentioned about Pajda did test on EVE 40PL
and Ampace JP40 is part of CATL
@@TranTek yep both this and Milwaukee forge 8 use ampace jp40. They can't be moli 50b because that would be 10ah and they are also not tabless, they have dual tabs :)
Really compare apples with apples, how you playing :pouch cells, 8 ah 40volts! Now tabless cells.. what a heck learn something of TTC, and make no diferente with 5 ah 18650 standard
So I’m just supposed to exclude pouch cells because other brands don’t offer them? and never test 40v bc it’s 40v..
I test the tools with every available battery so you can go back and compare your “apples to apples” in the charts.
It’s pointless just to compare them all with a 5ah 18650 pack. The battery is just as important as the tool so why would you disqualify it? The point is to see which tool performs the best correct?
If you notice TTC is testing with different ah battery’s and pouch so I’m confused?
Milwaukee forge are way better technologie at least we can supercharged them dewalt no and not impress by the quality of the consctruction of the batterie
Lol fanboy detected. Can milwaukee charge 4 batteries at once atbat least a rapid charge rate? Nope. Plus dewalt does have at least a single charger that has a higher rate of charge. 12amp output for the 1 port. Idk how that compares to milwaukee mite be slower and of course not a double. Ill take the 4 port fast charger any day over less ports and faster charging. Who really needs to charge jus 1 battery that fast? You don't have others?
I don't wanna supercharge them worst thing possible for a battery is draining them fast and charging them fast the supercharger is literally killing your batteries
I'm not impressed with you're English frog
@@Johndeere60 not for these high power tool packs
@@bossmanz28 Milwaukee also does around 12A on the new charger, if not a bit more