I work in the IT sector and just the other day we had two clients with defective products. The first claimed her router was faulty because her didn't work when she was out and about in town. The second had a printer that would not print. After some investigation by the technician it was discovered that he never put the ink cartridges in... Even though it says to do so n the box, on the printer itself and setup when you run the software. I happen to be in the reception when both these clients came in at round about the same time. 🤨
@@johanvandersandt8904 I recently forgot to peel the stickers off ink cartridges before inserting them in a new printer. Fortunately I traced everything down before contacting anyone and embarrassing myself. Close call.
That is not so bad Chris, imagine not trying to troubleshoot at all then rudely arguing with a technician even though you are wrong and you realized it about 10 minutes earlier. 😅
Accuracy in a civilian job. Traindrivers.I worked on London Underground in the UK. The system runs with automatic trains (ATO) the train are only separated by 30-45 seconds at junctions at peak times. An accurate watch is important because if you relieve a driver and you turn up 30 seconds late this would cause all the trains behind to run late by 30 seconds. If each train is 20 ro 30 seconds late because of inaccurate time keeping,then all the trains will accumulate late running. This can have an enormous affect on the whole railway line. If you left a platform 30 seconds late the line controller may ask you why. I worked on The Northern Line for 30 years and always wore a quartz watch! I am now retired. I now have three Speedmasters, and because of you I have a Tissiot Janerio.A good one with box and papers,I bought from a private collector.An unusual and beautiful watch! Love your channel,have learnt so much.
You know what’s funny? I only have a casio A-158 that I bought 5 years ago. I have never been into watches AT ALL. And still I love listening to these guys being absolute gentlemen to each other while talking about their shared passion and the astounding amount of knowledge they have between them. I might be turning into a watch guy a little 😂
My favorite stupid thing is when people say “ONLY mechanical watches have a soul”, which is b.s. and is a result of marketing. Every single watch can have a soul, but only if the wearer puts soul into it. If you get a watch passed down by someone really important to you, you’d associate that watch with the soul of the wearer and the special memories attached to the person….you wouldn’t say “ah, they should’ve picked a watch with a soul”. It’s an incredibly self-limiting, snobby response to anything that isn’t mechanical.
I think it's more to defend them against Quartz Fans or watch hater, if you did hear it for the 1000x "Mechanical watches aren't accurate like a Quartz." Or "My Smartphone shows me the time too."
@@danielhopkins2277 Wouldn’t that type of thinking perpetuate the divide though? Maybe people say “my quartz is more accurate” to counter others constantly telling them “quartz watches are boring/have no soul”. I think it creates a vicious cycle that keeps watch lovers divided. I believe one can be a fan of both quartz and mechanical, I don’t think being a quartz fan equates to being a watch hater, but I get what you’re saying.
Well said. I love my automatic watches for particular events in my life and that gives them soul. My quartz G-Shock Mudmaster compass saved me from getting totally lost when trekking in the Taurus Mountains. That watch has soul. My wife surprised me with a 1970's Omega quartz she found in a small watchseller in Venice when we were there on holiday and that has soul. So the B.S. on this is annoying. People who make these immature comments know nothing about watches.
I’m a sports photographer and we have to set all cameras to the exact second before the shoot. That’s why I love my G Shock 5610u with the atomic time sync for that. Also it’s often in harsh conditions and that watch is just perfect for this work. In the every day office life I wear my Seiko Baby Alpinist and don’t mind the few seconds off each day. That’s my practical and beloved 2 watch collection at the moment :)
I am a high school teacher. If I keep the students a second longer they are trying to kick down the door to leave. I need to have that military precision lol. I often wear my CWC G10 quartz.
To add my 2 cents about saphire crystals: I am a marine welder by trade, and like a number of watches. I was wearing my recently upgraded seiko turtle,when a hot spark from a cutting torch fell inside my glove. The high initial heat of the spark spelled a very small amount of material off the crystal at the 1 o'clock pos. That was the day I learned saphires are sensitive to certain things. Still wear it. I have collected more scars since. Awesome day/date watch just the same..
I love listening to the two of you chat about watches. It's easy and obvious to see how good of friends you are, which makes the flow of the conversations so natural.
6:50 it still amazes me that automatic watch’s can take the abuse of the international mail/delivery system… if it arrived alive it’s already used most of its 9 lives
These videos are so good - two knowledgeable chaps talking about watches. I learn loads from listening to you guys, keep it up please. As a firefighter I use my watch to keep an eye on time lapsed when I’m using breathing apparatus. Diver’s watches with a leather strap are usually the best compromise.
That conversation went a very unexpected direction when discussing with sleeping with watches. Hilarious conversation. I do sleep with my watch….on my wrist.
I work in live TV broadcast ops & time accuracy is very important. For example, I will instruct a remote Production team to hit their live show at 19:59:56 sharp. We build in the 4 second buffer because we have measured the average latency of the multiple encodes/decodes/travel time that the signal must go through to get to downstream affiliates in the field. Those affiliates may be ending a live show received from someone else right at 20:00:00, and we want that transition to be clean when they switch. I could go on and on with examples from broadcast TV…a very satisfying industry for a watch/timing enthusiast. We are surrounded by clocks but having a wristwatch accurately synced can be incredibly useful if you find yourself running from one area to another or you end up in a location that is not a control room.
Corroboration on the 7s26: I bought a pair of classic Seiko 5s last year and both serial numbers start with 11, so Seiko had assembly lines newly casing 7s26c movements in January 2021. So Mark's ability to order new pieces with the movement isn't from backstock or NOS, but fresh assembly
As far as situations when watches have to be accurate (unless it has been mentioned), there was the 1891 collision between 2 trains that resulted in the Railroad industry commissioning Webster C. Ball (BALL Wathches) to standardize time in the industry which required Engineers and conductors to turn their watches in every 2 weeks to ensure they were all within 30 seconds of each other. I guess if a 30 second variance was acceptable for them, it ought to be OK for a Seiko Monster.
I was going to mention the Tokyo subway system. It doesn't operate to the nearest second but arrivals and departures timed to within10-15 seconds is what I experienced while visiting. TV stations have always had tight constraints. Also, power generation and electrical transmission management.... And then there were the longitude awards for marine navigation that started all this. Of course it would be somewhat unusual to rely on a mechanical watch for any of these today, particularly with our easy access to atomic clocks. Perhaps not necessary in day-to-day life, but Casio & Citizen watches with atomic time radio receivers seem pretty cool to me too.
I had a customer that was upset that her laptop computer could not get wet while she was in the tub. I said “typically electricity and water did not get along” she replied “that seems like a design flaw “.
Just a question of curiosity: Does Marc consider Islander Watches a micro-brand or a store brand? It does not matter to my regard for the brand; I want (at least) one!
Possible topic for next episode: top watches for different occupations (teacher, doctor, business, military, architect, etc). Thanks for the great video!
13:18 yeah, I made that mistake when I bought my automatic watch. I thought this is "my 1st real watch" because it has an automatic movement but that doesn't make a quartz movement any less real.
What a great podcast topic! I don’t consider myself a horologist, but an appreciation of quality watches was taught to me by my father. The stupidest comment I hear is “why does anyone need more than one watch?”
Good evening TGV! What a great treat for Sunday evening! It's always great fun to watch when Marc joins you on the channel. Looking forward to next 50 minutes, this will be a good one. Have a great Sunday! Best regards!
Great chat. I love these episodes. I couldn't agree more with the 'small watches' comment. I think we're slowly reverting back to the historical norm as far as case size goes. I'm really impressed with what Longines has be releasing recently. The smaller Spirit and Legend Divers look fantastic.
Agreed, I always laugh when reviewers will say "this watch is too small for my wrist" Just stop, I have yet to see a "small" watch on a "large" wrist that looks ridiculously small. They look perfectly fine so just wear it.
I must admit I was guilty a few years back of liking bigger watches and now I cringe at some of the watches I bought back then. I do genuinely have fairly big hands and wrists and smaller watches don't look quite right on me, so I thought I needed a massive watch, which is ridiculous and not true at all. It didn't take very long for me to see huge watches look as stupid as too small watches. Watches up to about 40mm suit almost everyone (in regards to size).
While you're giggling at customers who demand high accuracy from their affordable watches San Martin and some other Ali Express brands have started to regulate their movements. The accuracy they're achieving from even an NH35 is pretty astonishing.
I could never understand someone dropping anything on concrete and treating it as if it’s the seller’s fault it broke. Dropping a lot of things on a concrete or tile floor isn’t a normal daily stress things should handle unless it’s specifically designed to deal with shock.
Lol. I spent many years as a mechanic. People I’d never seen before and who had never been in my shop would come blaming me for their issues on a daily basis. The sense of entitlement and lack of any sense of personal responsibility is unreal and only getting worse. The really maddening part of it is the vast majority are fully aware of what they are doing. It’s learned behavior, the squeaky wheel usually gets the grease. Welcome to the age of Karens.
@@whiteglovewatches9908 Man, if I owned my own business, I hope I’d be in the position where I could say, “We don’t serve rude customers.” Without discriminating against any protected classes, obviously. But yeah, just basically refuse to put up with bullshit.
I'm always apprehensive when I accidentally knock my watch against a table or door frame. Especially with an automatic watch, I couldn't imagine dropping it 3 feet onto concrete and expecting it to run, much less six or eight feet and expecting it to still run,
@@vincent67239 Who are the "protected classes" Vincent? Are some people allowed to be rude based on class? I'm just curious what you mean by the label.🙂
35:55 Daily life in Japan is timed to the second, so Spring Drive or quartz are the only options! A mechanical watch in Japan is a status symbol purely because it means you are important enough not to care about those five seconds a day!
It's a matter of opinion. For the strict purpose of telling time, regardless of the inconvenience of having to reach for your device, you only need said device.
I was like that. Didnt wear them for a couple of years. But then I remembered the couple of nice watches in my sock drawer and said well, the socks aren't going to admire them.
29:55 Marc is hitting on something that's VERY real that people need to wake up to. Watch crime is real, and the more "recognizable" or "statement piece" something is,the more problematic it is when it comes to undesirables.
Talking about civilian needs for accuracy, Greg Anderson (The Good Timekeeper) mentioned his past in broadcast media where as his like for radio controlled watches, so that's a good example. Potentially working for music gigs and plays, 10 seconds can make a difference. Also 100% agreed with the small watch point, one of my favourite watches is a Casio LA670 which is 30mm lug to lug and 9.3 grams on a Eulit Air-Look Perlon strap , I love how small and light it is. To me it's a wonder that they can fit so much functionality into such a small package.
Military time for civilian ? For example TV Journalists are working at the second actually. The news are broadcasted on very precise time and also their subject. It can be crucial to know the exact time to take the best decisions before being broadcasted. ;-) Another example which come to mind are people working in the airport, like Red Caps and people actually working around planes like load managers. Every minutes the plane is late on schedule are to be justified in a report.
Good episode as usual. I agree that hacking isn't a big deal. On that note, I heard a high end movement maker specifically say he won't add hacking as putting a brake on the escapment adds unnecessary friction and a jolt. Also, i only wear a watch sleeping when I'm camping. Normally, my partner finds it uncomfortable when we make contact in bed.
As someone who works almost entirely in custom design and fabrication, I think a majority of the population think things just magically appear. The most common issues I have with clients are related to either time frame or price.
This talk was a lot of fun to listen to. I bought a Rolex Submariner caliber 5513 on August 1, 1967 at Buchurers in Zurich for 500 Swiss francs ($117 US!). The serial number indicates that it was manufactured in late1966. Now it needs a another servicing that will cost $900. This is almost 9 times more than I paid for the watch originally. This is the problem with vintage automatic watches. Keeping them running requires far more money than the purchase price of the new watch. As they say, it isn't the cost but the upkeep that you can't afford.
You do realise your watch is worth a lot of money now & well worth servicing? Probably around $15,000 depending on condition. Also you can go to a good independent watch maker, you do not need to send it to Rolex
Brilliant rapport, editing, compilation, etc.! Bravo to you two. My favourite complaints: 1: I'd buy it if only it was 1mm smaller. Ugh, really? 2: The accuracy complaint. There are 86,400 seconds in a day. The fact that anyone can design a machine run by springs and gears to be out by only 10 is a marvel beyond belief! Seriously!!! Thanks for a great Sunday vid! Kudos!!
36:00 I work in the UK Railways as a Track inspector. We often work using protection granted by signallers in what is know as line blockages. Line blocks are essentially “gaps” in the timetable handed over to you by the signaller giving you safe access to the Tracks. Hand those back even a minute late and thousands of pounds of delay minutes can accrue by all the stacking up of delayed Trains. I use a Gshock GW-7900-1ER whilst at work which has benefits of Multiband and Solar. Every other watch I own I use the Gshock to set the time to!
Value discussions revolve around what is important to you, the buyer. Some value certain things that others couldn't care less about. But here is something which I think most everyone can agree on and that is the value that Marc has established with is Islander brand. For the same or less money you get way more than you do with many other popular brands. That might be in the form of sapphire over mineral glass, solid end links over hollow and any number of other details like screws versus pins, making sizing more reliable. No accidental breakage like that discussed in the video from improperly installed pins. So for me, LIW represents value over similar offerings, and that doesn't even take into account customer service which is another value-added. Keep it up Marc!
I agree with your comments regarding Quartz watches. I own 3 watches, 1 Timex and 2 Tissot, they are all Quartz's and I love all three. In fact, I consider one of my Tissot's as my grail watch, and I have no intention of replacing any of them. Every few years I replace the batteries, and they just keep on going.
The funniest thing about watches for me was when a friend of mine and I went to see the Batman movie and my friend pointed to the watch of the guy sitting in front of us and whispered to me “that is an interesting looking swatch” I sort of lean forward and took a closer look, it was Richard Mille! When I corrected my friend and to him what the price might be, my friend just couldn’t believe it. He started to google RM and the entire time he kept looking at guy’s wrist. 😳
I am exactly at the point of deciding whether to purchase my first automatic and the discussion on the accuracy of the watches is genuinly useful. In most cases I understand, that 15s a day off is no big deal for most people, but if you are commuting on public transport, rather than by car, a 1-2 minute drift per week might be the difference between getting on your train to work or not. And in my case, where the train goes every hour and is always on time, these 15 or so seconds can be important. So yes, I am not in the military and yes, 15s can be crucial.
When I purchased a PADI Turtle a few years back, for days I had that issue of a pin falling out of the bracelet and it falling from my wrist. Luckily I caught it every time. I had to go back 3 or 4 times to the jeweler before it was sorted.
Attorney here. I've cut it pretty close a few times when e-filing pleadings with courts. The latest is 430PM on the day of the deadline. But usually I have paperwork ready multiple hours before that. The only reason I need time accuracy is when the deadline is fast closing to file and I'm rushing. Thats a very rare occurrence and even then, I don't need accuracy within seconds.
I like to-the-second accuracy when I’m buying things online that drop at a certain specific time. The time being displayed on my phone or tablet or computer’s screen usually only displays hours and minutes, so having, say, a Spring Drive watch set correctly to the second would be super convenient.
Ironically my first mechanical watch ever was an Islander from Mark. I'm all excited I get it out and fumble putting it on. Boom right on the wood floor! Thank goodness it was completely fine and has run like a champ for a couple of years now!
I would love to see a video or a series of you two about the steps of watch collecting evolution and the watches related. From a first watch, to almost stop collecting or not able to stop. 😏 How you change perspective when learning more and change the next target on the list...
Hey, what's that clock you use to show the time on the ceiling? Me, I wear my Marathon Navigator because I often wake up in the middle of the night and it's easier for me to flick my wrist than turning over to look at clock.
RE: Accuracy, is it important? Yes, when my wife determines that dinner is at 18:00. When the same wife says we are invited for 19:00…lol... My Timex Expedition Indiglo WR 50M is decades old and true to the old jingle, “Timex takes a licking and keeps on ticking.” And it keeps impeccable time, saving my life many times! Great show!
Absolutely adore this videos as you know TGV! Suggestion for future episode with Mark, you try to win over Mark with 5 amazing history stories, and Mark will counterattack with 5 amazing engineering solutions/designs to win, and we the viewers get to vote a winner Best Regards André
I love the lume on my Seiko Quartz Tuna. When I wake up in the middle of the night I can read it easily and then drift back to sleep knowing I have more time to sleep. (hopefully) :-) Also the Seiko silicon band is super comfy and doesn't irritate my skin...highly recommended !
Thank you TGV and Mark for such a great discussion! I really enjoyed listening to your discussion! Great topics and points on the topics! May you please do more of these types of discussions? I really enjoy them! Stay healthy and well TGV and Mark! Nicholas 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻⏱⏱⏱🦖🦖🦖
First you two are so entertaining 😅 2nd , Hacking debacle : I was under the impression high horologist watchmakers we're in debate on whether hacking damages the movements over time & thus that is why a lot of high end movements omit this feature intentionally . 🥂
I always sleep with my watch on. I'm 79 and have been doing this for 60 years. I love watches and own/ware 40 watches. My favorites are timex, seiko, citizen, and casio. Also, I love your u-tube channel.
So, I´m now officially a watch geek. 🙈 I was able to research the watch type on a person´s wrist from a quite distant and blurry photo a friend of mine showed me. The dial reminded me of a Citizen Nighthawk and it turned out to be a Citizen Promaster Sky Titanium (verified by the owner). Once again great and relaxed chat with both of you. Thanks for wrapping up the weekend like this.
Saying that digital watches are not real watches or they don't have horology like mechanical watches is not only semantically wrong - but it's also very wrong in terms of logic, even if one ignores the semantic errors in their thinking and see what they are really trying to say. What they are trying to say (usually) is that mechanical watches require more skills to make and are therefore more precious and elegant time pieces. What these people often forget (or don't know at all) is that yes, it takes a lot of skill and knowledge to make an elegant mechanical watch - but it doesn't take Einstein. However to create a digital watch, you need quantum physics which is far, far beyond classical mechanics. So it took Einstein, Bohr, Planck, Heisenberg, Pauli, Feynman and bunch of other extraordinary geniuses to come up with quantum mechanics - and only after that the digital watch was even possible to be made. So the digital watch in terms of complexity, finesse, needed knowledge, tools etc. is way beyond any mechanical watch. Quantum mechanics is one of the greatest achievements of the human mind, and digital watch is one of the manifestations of it. So the people who say that digital watch is not a real watch, are either arrogant snobs or don't know what they are talking about. Usually both. Oh, and most common stupid thing to say about watches: "Why you have a wrist watch? Don't you have a clock in your phone"?...
I reckon the hacking, accuracy thing is an artefact of quartz watches which can maintain time fairly well, so why not set it exactly. I have quartz, automatics and manual wind and I don't set my mechanical watches that accurately but I do with my quartz watches. Weird, I know.
I think the hacking/accuracy thing had a military purpose well before Quartz but you make an interesting point - I will hack my Quartz watches because I know they will hold that accuracy, so why not make use of that feature. Mechanical watches will be out by a few seconds a day so no real point. That doesn’t diminish mechanical watches for me - they have other very desirable attributes.
I mean, generally people want there time devices to be accurate otherwise its not much of a time device, the world runs on a Coordinated Universal Time (UTC)... atomic timing, so accuracy matters throughout the world. but yes, expanding on what you mentioned most folks are gonna have there first watch experience be a quartz or some kind of digital/smart watch so there natural expectations of a watch is for it to hold accurate timing. Automatics and mechanicals are a niche market within the industry and to get into that world of watches I think youve naturally gotta be a curious minded person with broader interests... and with all that said, I think its primarily just a fun little feature that new watch enthusiasts tend to play around with and enjoy well experiencing there first automatics, since you typically go into the experience with the understanding that its not gonna be as accurate as quartz or digital, so theres a natural curiosity among most people to know, well how accurate or inaccurate is it in comparison? and at the end of the day, hacking just makes running accuracy tests much easier for a new auto watch enthusiasts. I know from my experience at least, that when i first got into automatics I was vary into the idea of setting the time to the second and seeing how it fared for accuracy after a few days-week... you quickly realize its hardly off and it gradually becomes less of a priority or concern when resetting the time and especially as you get more automatics/mechanical watches in your collection and wear rotation, then resetting things can fell like a chore more then a thrill some days haha... Some days I pick up a watch and just hack it regardless of where the seconds hand is at, set it and go... other days ill grab a watch and still take the moment to hack and set it perfectly as i can, it just depends on my mood, whether im in a rush or not etc etc
No it makes sense; I'll set my Qz for exact accuracy (Accuracy Freak), but intentionally set my Autos 5 Mins ahead. Not weird at all dude - Unique, & Preference.
I have to tell this story- My Dad has been eyeing my watches lately. He was over this morning and walked passed me watching a UA-cam video on his phone and is laughing as he walks into the spare bedroom. I stood there puzzled because I recognized the youtuber- TGV! I realized he's turning into me and has the watch bug.🤣 I was staring at him while sipping coffee from my TGV mug. I quickly started to find his watch style and buy him his first watch. So we bought a new micro brand watch from Portugal called 'Contar'. It's a field watch. I'm breaking him in to get used to watch prices. He has way more money than me so if I can get him to buy a luxury piece then maybe I can get to wear it😜 I think he's a Grand Seiko kind of guy!
🤣🤣🤣 This just made my day. Awesome, you guys are awesome. Thank you so much for sharing this, I read it aloud to my wife. Absolutely fantastic! Please say hello to your father for me. Best regards, TGV
As a Network Engineer working in a NOC (Network Operation Center) for a Tier 1 ISP (Service provider that owns and operates fiber to include dark fiberr), . Accurate time keeping is important when coordinating repair efforts for multiple incidences across the globe. While I could glance at the pc clock, set to UTC, that would only give me one time zone, It is much easier to look down at my GMT dual time to figure out what time it is where I am calling. To provide a bit of context, we use UTC to track work completed on our repairs, but have to be conscious of the time zone we are calling out to. While I may have to call the VP of a telecommunication company when a disaster happens, my tone will be different if I am calling at 6 am vs 6 pm.
A review for a dive watch with screw down crown: "it's total rubbish, I wanted to set the time but the pin to adjust time was so stuck I couldn't get it out, not even with pliers, so I returned the watch."
I had a watch sales person tell me " a digital watch is for someone who can't tell time..." She was the epitome of a watch snob. Yes i sleep with a watch on my wrist ;) When i was wearing a heavy diver, i did take it off because it was just way too heavy and would end up hurting my wrist.
I don't know if being a "watch snob" is really a requirement for that attitude. As a child growing up during the "digital revolution", my own parents instilled that very thought into my head. Their generation placed a certain premium on telling time the "old fashioned way"....rightly, or wrongly...and frowned on giving their children digital display watches.
Well, an analog watch helps you visualise time because well, the hands cover a particular amount of distance when they move. It helps you put into perspective how much time has passed and how much time you have left, as well as what time it is now. A digital watch just shows the time it is now. At least that's how I perceive these things.
@@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски I learned early math in elementary school with dial clocks as an aid... It was a number line available in all classrooms. 😁
As delivery driver for decades, after 10:30:59 am, the package was late. Often I would have an amazing number of stops to deliver by the deadline. It was often down to the wire. Buddy let me tell you, each second mattered lol. My timepiece was a very important tool. I miss the thrill of making the impossible happen. I miss it! However, I get more use out of all my “less precise” timekeepers these days. 😉
When I hear good value for money, I think about the specs of the watch versus price. Sapphire crystal, in-house movement, +/- accuracy, finishing, functions, water resistance, size, anti-magnetism, etc. Example: Omega Seamaster 300M compared spec to spec to Rolex Submariner then look at the pricing for each...
These relaxed conversations among obvious friends are lovely. You were spot on with that last gripe. I was really enjoying the live chats on many channels but had to bow out of quite a few because they were beginning to devolve into mostly political arguments. On some the hosts were even telling people they shouldn’t be there if they didn’t share their views even on things as silly as sports. I (and I feel most others) come to share and learn about a common interest. To each his own and if you can’t have a reasonable discussion about opposing viewpoints when they do arise then maybe you ought not discuss? Pleasant music and friendly banter between people with great knowledge to share… the perfect end to a usually stressful week. Thanks guys.
Yes, I do sleep with my watch. I was actually trying to justify buying yet another watch so I though “hm, something small, cheap, with a light to check it in the night if I wake up… right, I will buy that ‘Casio Royal’ I was lusting because I NEED it!” 😂🤣😂 It’s my bed-time watch ever since! 😂
Another great discussion between two of my favorite watch related UA-camrs. Nicely Done! When are we going to see a TGV designed watch in Marc's lineup?
One of my Dad's favorite sayings when someone complained about a piece of meat being tough was: "It's tougher when there aint none." He spent two years in the Saharan desert during WW2. He couldn't understand all of this ultra-sensitivity that started coming up before he passed.
I sleep with my watch on. Same watch for the past 42 years. A submariner. Only remove it when i had surgery. It means at least we feel confortable with the watch. Congratulations for your outstanding vidéos. Magnifiscent pieces of iranian rugs on your sofa, first half of the 20th century.
There was a time when I wouldn't take my watch off for weeks on end. Sleeping, bathing, day and night. It was a G-Shock back in the eighties and I was serving in the Navy in my country. It was my watch, my alarm clock, stopwatch and when you have it in your hand nobody can steal it 👍
About camera overheating : sometimes it occurs when using a camera for a purpose it’s not designed to in the first place for example using a DSLR as a video camera, it’s Ok to film short sequences but it’s not made for long ones, for that purpose most DSLR makers sell camera specially built for filming (not the same price though). What you can endure with a camera overheating is more stuck pixels showing than the chip melting itself. It’s always good to let it cool down because image quality might be degrading significantly.
Je suis fan de vos vidéos, de votre esprit, et oui je dors avec ma citizen nighthawk blue angel, puisque elle est précise, fiable, relativement silencieuse et facile à lire la nuit.
Hi! to answer your question, most highly recommended from the community for repairs is Rob Berkavicius from Thailand (though you need to take into considerations the sending and the receiving the watch back). If you want to repair it States side, try Oldfathertime (they own the new stock repair parts for the old accutrons), they are the most expensive, but might be an advantage for you as they are based in the US.
Great video, and no surprises I agree with all the points. As mentioned previously I'm really not a fan of the term "entry level" when it comes to watches as it specifically refers to price. Look forward to your next collaboration 👍
This isn’t a stupid thing I’ve heard someone say, but just a funny story I remembered when they were talking about speed of watches. As a much younger man, I succumbed to a street salesperson to buy a watch from him. I no longer have the watch, but I kind of wish I did, because I’ve never seen a watch so fast. I swear I was gaining about 20 minutes an hour lol.
I could listen to you two for hours! It’s so relaxing and I always learn something. The comedic video drop ins are hilarious too! I hope you keep this series of videos going for a long time!⌚️
Excellent conversation. I love the back and forth between the two very different mindsets. I did want to mention that I'm one of those accuracy freaks, but it's an occupational hazard for folks like me in the calibration field. After 35 years of calibrating everything from fever thermometers to Rubidium clocks I practically lose my mind if something is out of spec. I set my watches using the NIST time website. Nevertheless, I love my Vostoks, and I don’t think they will ever change to a hacking movement.
While watching I've written a rather lengthy amount of comments on the discussed subjects, I hope these are of interest to some. I suppose this was a thought-provoking discussion for me, so thanks for making this video. 9:18 I do, though half of the time I put on my small Casio beater as some pieces can be uncomfortable in bed. Which is related to the first thing, if someone expect a watch to survive such a fall, they should get a G-Shock or an old Timex. This being the very reason G-Shock exists and was Timex's appeal back in the day. "The watch that can take a licking and will keep on ticking." Actually looking for the joke comment, apparently searching for 'watch' on r34 brings up feet, along with the expected normal wearing. 12:14 On the "first real watch", I do consider merch, ultra-cheap or fashion-y pieces that don't do a good job of telling or keeping time as not real watches. Those being more bracelets or similar jewellery to me, appearing as a time telling tool. If a watch does effectively tell and keep time along with being wearable (perhaps in a pocket), it is a real watch to me, no matter how cheap or weird. 21:22 A good counter-point is; then why do phone, alarm-, oven-, microwave- and most wall clocks lack a second readout? Those devices are also meant to display the time yet don't offer setting the seconds accurately (without internet for phones). Also, they can get a watchmaker (or hobbyist) to swap the movement for a hacking replacement. 31:00 Cameras are actually semi-notorious for having bad cooling solutions, running hot or being able to overheat themselves. This is a design flaw in the camera, causing it to have to protect itself by shutting down. 32:42 If it's consistent, regulate it! My first automatic has yet to arrive, but it being a Vostok, I will attempt that myself. But a watchmaker can regulate it down too. The most accurately if you tell them the exact rate it runs in actual wear, as this differs from it being in a timegrapher. Which can be found using something like the relic of the WatchCheck app or a (paper or digital) spreadsheet. 36:10 "GIF" or "JIF". Discuss. In Dutch culture, it is socially accepted to correct others on their pronunciation, I'm assuming that's the country you're referring to. If so, you don't have to wind around it this politely, being direct and honest is a part of Dutch culture too. While I do find mispronunciation like discussed later annoying, it makes sense if the languages use different sounds. I do consider it rude to mispronounce words by only reading it's spelling, like English speaking people tend to do with "Gouda", "stroopwafel" and similar Dutch words. 45:36 Welcome to the internet~ I apply such a framework of subjects or things to avoid outside of groups I don't trust to not derail in to such discussions. When it doesn't derail people with specific passions can get extremely fed up on small details and opinions on these things of interest. This is especially strong in the Linux community, probably even more so than with watches.
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(1 out of 5 star review for a mechanical watch)
"Absolute garbage. Stopped running after not wearing it for a couple of days."
🤣🤣🤣 Genius.
Thank you Roy,
Best regards,
TGV
I work in the IT sector and just the other day we had two clients with defective products. The first claimed her router was faulty because her didn't work when she was out and about in town. The second had a printer that would not print. After some investigation by the technician it was discovered that he never put the ink cartridges in... Even though it says to do so n the box, on the printer itself and setup when you run the software. I happen to be in the reception when both these clients came in at round about the same time. 🤨
@@johanvandersandt8904 I recently forgot to peel the stickers off ink cartridges before inserting them in a new printer. Fortunately I traced everything down before contacting anyone and embarrassing myself. Close call.
That is not so bad Chris, imagine not trying to troubleshoot at all then rudely arguing with a technician even though you are wrong and you realized it about 10 minutes earlier. 😅
Yep thats THE comment, well done
Accuracy in a civilian job.
Traindrivers.I worked on London Underground in the UK.
The system runs with automatic trains (ATO) the train are only separated by 30-45 seconds at junctions at peak times.
An accurate watch is important because if you relieve a driver and you turn up 30 seconds late this would cause all the trains behind to run late by 30 seconds.
If each train is 20 ro 30 seconds late because of inaccurate time keeping,then all the trains will accumulate late running.
This can have an enormous affect on the whole railway line.
If you left a platform 30 seconds late the line controller may ask you why.
I worked on The Northern Line for 30 years and always wore a quartz watch! I am now retired.
I now have three Speedmasters, and because of you I have a Tissiot Janerio.A good one with box and papers,I bought from a private collector.An unusual and beautiful watch! Love your channel,have learnt so much.
These long videos with Mark especially helps me relax, talking about the hobby that we all enjoy. Very simple and delightful. Cheers to both of you.
You know what’s funny? I only have a casio A-158 that I bought 5 years ago. I have never been into watches AT ALL. And still I love listening to these guys being absolute gentlemen to each other while talking about their shared passion and the astounding amount of knowledge they have between them.
I might be turning into a watch guy a little 😂
What I like about this channel is the lack of snobbery. Just people showcasing love for all types of watches.
My favorite stupid thing is when people say “ONLY mechanical watches have a soul”, which is b.s. and is a result of marketing. Every single watch can have a soul, but only if the wearer puts soul into it. If you get a watch passed down by someone really important to you, you’d associate that watch with the soul of the wearer and the special memories attached to the person….you wouldn’t say “ah, they should’ve picked a watch with a soul”. It’s an incredibly self-limiting, snobby response to anything that isn’t mechanical.
ONLY mechanical watches have a soul
No watches have souls lol but mechanicals are cool and quartz boring
I think it's more to defend them against Quartz Fans or watch hater, if you did hear it for the 1000x "Mechanical watches aren't accurate like a Quartz."
Or
"My Smartphone shows me the time too."
@@danielhopkins2277 Wouldn’t that type of thinking perpetuate the divide though? Maybe people say “my quartz is more accurate” to counter others constantly telling them “quartz watches are boring/have no soul”. I think it creates a vicious cycle that keeps watch lovers divided.
I believe one can be a fan of both quartz and mechanical, I don’t think being a quartz fan equates to being a watch hater, but I get what you’re saying.
Well said. I love my automatic watches for particular events in my life and that gives them soul. My quartz G-Shock Mudmaster compass saved me from getting totally lost when trekking in the Taurus Mountains. That watch has soul. My wife surprised me with a 1970's Omega quartz she found in a small watchseller in Venice when we were there on holiday and that has soul. So the B.S. on this is annoying. People who make these immature comments know nothing about watches.
I’m a sports photographer and we have to set all cameras to the exact second before the shoot. That’s why I love my G Shock 5610u with the atomic time sync for that. Also it’s often in harsh conditions and that watch is just perfect for this work. In the every day office life I wear my Seiko Baby Alpinist and don’t mind the few seconds off each day. That’s my practical and beloved 2 watch collection at the moment :)
Nice 👍
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I am a high school teacher. If I keep the students a second longer they are trying to kick down the door to leave. I need to have that military precision lol. I often wear my CWC G10 quartz.
Good choice. On a CWC Nato
A garmin or Apple Watch would be the most precise I guess?
@@TheSteinbitt Get Out... 😡
✌😂jk
“Mr Merc, you know it’s illegal to hold students past period?”
@@lindboknifeandtool
I guess technically it would be false imprisonment. And to top it off God help you if used the "wrong" pronoun while doing so.
To add my 2 cents about saphire crystals: I am a marine welder by trade, and like a number of watches. I was wearing my recently upgraded seiko turtle,when a hot spark from a cutting torch fell inside my glove. The high initial heat of the spark spelled a very small amount of material off the crystal at the 1 o'clock pos. That was the day I learned saphires are sensitive to certain things. Still wear it. I have collected more scars since. Awesome day/date watch just the same..
"And just when all seemed dull, TGV and Marc dropped a video."
I love listening to the two of you chat about watches. It's easy and obvious to see how good of friends you are, which makes the flow of the conversations so natural.
6:50 it still amazes me that automatic watch’s can take the abuse of the international mail/delivery system… if it arrived alive it’s already used most of its 9 lives
Maybe that alone justifies the obscenely large, complicated, boxes and fancy little pillows? 😅
@@tkindschi Bertucci has entered the conversation.
I just sent an automatic back because it arrived inoperative. Big bummer. I probably won't see it again for a couple months.
and fully magnetised....
If it can’t survive shipping, it can’t survive on a wrist.
These videos are so good - two knowledgeable chaps talking about watches. I learn loads from listening to you guys, keep it up please.
As a firefighter I use my watch to keep an eye on time lapsed when I’m using breathing apparatus. Diver’s watches with a leather strap are usually the best compromise.
Wouldn’t have thought a divers watch could handle a structural fire not least being worn by a fire fighter
That conversation went a very unexpected direction when discussing with sleeping with watches. Hilarious conversation.
I do sleep with my watch….on my wrist.
😝
I sleep with my wrist watch a lot
That is _very_ _niche,_ my dude
@@vincent67239 He likes the leather straps especially
@@truthseeker8483 _Haute._
I work in live TV broadcast ops & time accuracy is very important. For example, I will instruct a remote Production team to hit their live show at 19:59:56 sharp. We build in the 4 second buffer because we have measured the average latency of the multiple encodes/decodes/travel time that the signal must go through to get to downstream affiliates in the field. Those affiliates may be ending a live show received from someone else right at 20:00:00, and we want that transition to be clean when they switch. I could go on and on with examples from broadcast TV…a very satisfying industry for a watch/timing enthusiast. We are surrounded by clocks but having a wristwatch accurately synced can be incredibly useful if you find yourself running from one area to another or you end up in a location that is not a control room.
Damn, these two have evolved such a chemistry, they could run a saturday night TV show 💪😂🙏
Would be much better than Jimmy Fallen.
Corroboration on the 7s26: I bought a pair of classic Seiko 5s last year and both serial numbers start with 11, so Seiko had assembly lines newly casing 7s26c movements in January 2021.
So Mark's ability to order new pieces with the movement isn't from backstock or NOS, but fresh assembly
Interesting
As far as situations when watches have to be accurate (unless it has been mentioned), there was the 1891 collision between 2 trains that resulted in the Railroad industry commissioning Webster C. Ball (BALL Wathches) to standardize time in the industry which required Engineers and conductors to turn their watches in every 2 weeks to ensure they were all within 30 seconds of each other. I guess if a 30 second variance was acceptable for them, it ought to be OK for a Seiko Monster.
I was going to mention the Tokyo subway system. It doesn't operate to the nearest second but arrivals and departures timed to within10-15 seconds is what I experienced while visiting. TV stations have always had tight constraints. Also, power generation and electrical transmission management.... And then there were the longitude awards for marine navigation that started all this. Of course it would be somewhat unusual to rely on a mechanical watch for any of these today, particularly with our easy access to atomic clocks. Perhaps not necessary in day-to-day life, but Casio & Citizen watches with atomic time radio receivers seem pretty cool to me too.
We could have. a lever set watch
The Rail industry also lead to the creation of the 4 time zones we have in the US.
Good point.
I had a customer that was upset that her laptop computer could not get wet while she was in the tub. I said “typically electricity and water did not get along” she replied “that seems like a design flaw “.
Love the longer episodes with Mark.
Someone wrote about an automatic mechanical watch (Seiko SNKM95), “What a shame, a beautiful watch, but only has a battery reserve of a few hours.”
Just a question of curiosity: Does Marc consider Islander Watches a micro-brand or a store brand? It does not matter to my regard for the brand; I want (at least) one!
Hmmmm good question. I will ask him. But my money would be on micro brand.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry Have you thought about reviewing an Amphibia
@@oscarosullivan4513 I happen to be wearing mine right now. Team Vostok.
@@phunkytowel9794 Mines a lume mod amphibia 710379
Possible topic for next episode: top watches for different occupations (teacher, doctor, business, military, architect, etc). Thanks for the great video!
13:18 yeah, I made that mistake when I bought my automatic watch. I thought this is "my 1st real watch" because it has an automatic movement but that doesn't make a quartz movement any less real.
I was guilty of that
What a great podcast topic! I don’t consider myself a horologist, but an appreciation of quality watches was taught to me by my father. The stupidest comment I hear is “why does anyone need more than one watch?”
I agree one of mine is a back up (Casio AE-1000) and main watch Lume mod Vostok Amphibia 710379
Or gun?
Good evening TGV! What a great treat for Sunday evening! It's always great fun to watch when Marc joins you on the channel. Looking forward to next 50 minutes, this will be a good one. Have a great Sunday! Best regards!
So glad to hear Heiko, thank you my friend. Have a great week ahead too!
Chin chin 🥂😎
Best regards,
TGV
Great chat. I love these episodes. I couldn't agree more with the 'small watches' comment. I think we're slowly reverting back to the historical norm as far as case size goes. I'm really impressed with what Longines has be releasing recently. The smaller Spirit and Legend Divers look fantastic.
Agreed, I always laugh when reviewers will say "this watch is too small for my wrist" Just stop, I have yet to see a "small" watch on a "large" wrist that looks ridiculously small. They look perfectly fine so just wear it.
I must admit I was guilty a few years back of liking bigger watches and now I cringe at some of the watches I bought back then. I do genuinely have fairly big hands and wrists and smaller watches don't look quite right on me, so I thought I needed a massive watch, which is ridiculous and not true at all. It didn't take very long for me to see huge watches look as stupid as too small watches. Watches up to about 40mm suit almost everyone (in regards to size).
I love the episodes with you and mark. I wish you a wonderful week! Best wishes from Switzerland
Thank you so much, have a great week ahead too! 😎🥂
Best regards,
TGV
While you're giggling at customers who demand high accuracy from their affordable watches San Martin and some other Ali Express brands have started to regulate their movements. The accuracy they're achieving from even an NH35 is pretty astonishing.
I am one them with my Vostok amphibia
I could never understand someone dropping anything on concrete and treating it as if it’s the seller’s fault it broke. Dropping a lot of things on a concrete or tile floor isn’t a normal daily stress things should handle unless it’s specifically designed to deal with shock.
Perhaps they got dropped on the head as a baby......
Lol. I spent many years as a mechanic. People I’d never seen before and who had never been in my shop would come blaming me for their issues on a daily basis. The sense of entitlement and lack of any sense of personal responsibility is unreal and only getting worse. The really maddening part of it is the vast majority are fully aware of what they are doing. It’s learned behavior, the squeaky wheel usually gets the grease. Welcome to the age of Karens.
@@whiteglovewatches9908 Man, if I owned my own business, I hope I’d be in the position where I could say, “We don’t serve rude customers.” Without discriminating against any protected classes, obviously. But yeah, just basically refuse to put up with bullshit.
I'm always apprehensive when I accidentally knock my watch against a table or door frame. Especially with an automatic watch, I couldn't imagine dropping it 3 feet onto concrete and expecting it to run, much less six or eight feet and expecting it to still run,
@@vincent67239 Who are the "protected classes" Vincent? Are some people allowed to be rude based on class? I'm just curious what you mean by the label.🙂
35:55 Daily life in Japan is timed to the second, so Spring Drive or quartz are the only options!
A mechanical watch in Japan is a status symbol purely because it means you are important enough not to care about those five seconds a day!
The beginning made my day, that face from Marc like he is Robert De Niro in taxi driver
The stupidest thing I have ever heard about watches: “I don’t need a watch, my phone tells time”
everything has a clock today...cars, fridges, phones...etc etc😀
It's a matter of opinion. For the strict purpose of telling time, regardless of the inconvenience of having to reach for your device, you only need said device.
I stupidest thing I have ever heard about watches: "You shouldn't wear a watch, your phone tells you the time."
It isn't stupid, most people with a phone don't really 'need' a watch
I was like that. Didnt wear them for a couple of years.
But then I remembered the couple of nice watches in my sock drawer and said well, the socks aren't going to admire them.
Always a treat to find a TGV and Marc video uploaded! Love these monthly collabs. Never stop doing these TGV!
29:55 Marc is hitting on something that's VERY real that people need to wake up to. Watch crime is real, and the more "recognizable" or "statement piece" something is,the more problematic it is when it comes to undesirables.
My wife: Why do you need that many watches? Do you think you're an octopus?
🤣🤣🤣
Why do you need so many shoes, are you a millipede?
Talking about civilian needs for accuracy, Greg Anderson (The Good Timekeeper) mentioned his past in broadcast media where as his like for radio controlled watches, so that's a good example. Potentially working for music gigs and plays, 10 seconds can make a difference. Also 100% agreed with the small watch point, one of my favourite watches is a Casio LA670 which is 30mm lug to lug and 9.3 grams on a Eulit Air-Look Perlon strap , I love how small and light it is. To me it's a wonder that they can fit so much functionality into such a small package.
I feel videos like this are designed to guilt me into buying an Islander watch and it's totally working.
He stands behind every one and they have great lume.
I’d love to buy one but going through the customs process is so off putting that I rarely buy anything from outside the EU.
Military time for civilian ? For example TV Journalists are working at the second actually. The news are broadcasted on very precise time and also their subject.
It can be crucial to know the exact time to take the best decisions before being broadcasted. ;-)
Another example which come to mind are people working in the airport, like Red Caps and people actually working around planes like load managers. Every minutes the plane is late on schedule are to be justified in a report.
Good episode as usual. I agree that hacking isn't a big deal. On that note, I heard a high end movement maker specifically say he won't add hacking as putting a brake on the escapment adds unnecessary friction and a jolt. Also, i only wear a watch sleeping when I'm camping. Normally, my partner finds it uncomfortable when we make contact in bed.
This channel just had the BEST intro scenes. It’s like an MTV video from the 1980’s. Nothing to not like.
Was gonna work on an engineering project but I guess it's gonna have to wait 49 minutes and 52 seconds
Thank you my friend, good luck with the project later!
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry Grazie mille, keep up the good work 🙏
"Your mother was a piece of talc" made me actually laugh out loud, fantastic geek joke there (talc is the lowest on the mhs scale)
I agree, best comment in this entire video, I laughed my ass off. Gotta love engineering/watch humor.
A complication that shows the amount of horology would be amazing 😂
As someone who works almost entirely in custom design and fabrication, I think a majority of the population think things just magically appear. The most common issues I have with clients are related to either time frame or price.
Excellent episode. I came back form the gym, warmed up my dinner and just chilled for an hour with this! Thanks Marc and TGV!
This talk was a lot of fun to listen to. I bought a Rolex Submariner caliber 5513 on August 1, 1967 at Buchurers in Zurich for 500 Swiss francs ($117 US!). The serial number indicates that it was manufactured in late1966. Now it needs a another servicing that will cost $900. This is almost 9 times more than I paid for the watch originally. This is the problem with vintage automatic watches. Keeping them running requires far more money than the purchase price of the new watch. As they say, it isn't the cost but the upkeep that you can't afford.
You do realise your watch is worth a lot of money now & well worth servicing? Probably around $15,000 depending on condition. Also you can go to a good independent watch maker, you do not need to send it to Rolex
Brilliant rapport, editing, compilation, etc.! Bravo to you two.
My favourite complaints:
1: I'd buy it if only it was 1mm smaller. Ugh, really?
2: The accuracy complaint. There are 86,400 seconds in a day. The fact that anyone can design a machine run by springs and gears to be out by only 10 is a marvel beyond belief! Seriously!!!
Thanks for a great Sunday vid! Kudos!!
Too true ...mechanical watches are a miracle..especially when you can buy one for $20 on Aliexpress....
Every time one of my mechanicals is 10 seconds off and start feeling outraged, I remind myself of this. Cheers 🍻!
Love my vostok amphibia
36:00 I work in the UK Railways as a Track inspector. We often work using protection granted by signallers in what is know as line blockages. Line blocks are essentially “gaps” in the timetable handed over to you by the signaller giving you safe access to the Tracks. Hand those back even a minute late and thousands of pounds of delay minutes can accrue by all the stacking up of delayed Trains.
I use a Gshock GW-7900-1ER whilst at work which has benefits of Multiband and Solar. Every other watch I own I use the Gshock to set the time to!
You guys together are a great show. Thanks for keeping them going.
Value discussions revolve around what is important to you, the buyer. Some value certain things that others couldn't care less about. But here is something which I think most everyone can agree on and that is the value that Marc has established with is Islander brand. For the same or less money you get way more than you do with many other popular brands. That might be in the form of sapphire over mineral glass, solid end links over hollow and any number of other details like screws versus pins, making sizing more reliable. No accidental breakage like that discussed in the video from improperly installed pins. So for me, LIW represents value over similar offerings, and that doesn't even take into account customer service which is another value-added. Keep it up Marc!
I agree with your comments regarding Quartz watches. I own 3 watches, 1 Timex and 2 Tissot, they are all Quartz's and I love all three. In fact, I consider one of my Tissot's as my grail watch, and I have no intention of replacing any of them. Every few years I replace the batteries, and they just keep on going.
T, I am fairly sure that when people say "I got my first real watch" that 9 times out of 10 they mean an automatic. Best as always Matthew
The funniest thing about watches for me was when a friend of mine and I went to see the Batman movie and my friend pointed to the watch of the guy sitting in front of us and whispered to me “that is an interesting looking swatch”
I sort of lean forward and took a closer look, it was Richard Mille! When I corrected my friend and to him what the price might be, my friend just couldn’t believe it. He started to google RM and the entire time he kept looking at guy’s wrist. 😳
It was probably a Tsar Bomba
I am exactly at the point of deciding whether to purchase my first automatic and the discussion on the accuracy of the watches is genuinly useful.
In most cases I understand, that 15s a day off is no big deal for most people, but if you are commuting on public transport, rather than by car, a 1-2 minute drift per week might be the difference between getting on your train to work or not. And in my case, where the train goes every hour and is always on time, these 15 or so seconds can be important.
So yes, I am not in the military and yes, 15s can be crucial.
Get a radio-controlled G-Shock watch then, you won't be disappointed 👌🏻
Just make a habit of adjusting the time correctly. It’s a daily ritual for some.
When I purchased a PADI Turtle a few years back, for days I had that issue of a pin falling out of the bracelet and it falling from my wrist. Luckily I caught it every time. I had to go back 3 or 4 times to the jeweler before it was sorted.
How is the alignment
@@oscarosullivan4513 it’s okay actually.
@@DavidDatura My collection is a Casio AE-1000 and Lume mod Vostok Amphibia 710379
Attorney here. I've cut it pretty close a few times when e-filing pleadings with courts. The latest is 430PM on the day of the deadline. But usually I have paperwork ready multiple hours before that. The only reason I need time accuracy is when the deadline is fast closing to file and I'm rushing. Thats a very rare occurrence and even then, I don't need accuracy within seconds.
I like to-the-second accuracy when I’m buying things online that drop at a certain specific time. The time being displayed on my phone or tablet or computer’s screen usually only displays hours and minutes, so having, say, a Spring Drive watch set correctly to the second would be super convenient.
Ironically my first mechanical watch ever was an Islander from Mark. I'm all excited I get it out and fumble putting it on. Boom right on the wood floor! Thank goodness it was completely fine and has run like a champ for a couple of years now!
I would love to see a video or a series of you two about the steps of watch collecting evolution and the watches related.
From a first watch, to almost stop collecting or not able to stop. 😏
How you change perspective when learning more and change the next target on the list...
Hey, what's that clock you use to show the time on the ceiling? Me, I wear my Marathon Navigator because I often wake up in the middle of the night and it's easier for me to flick my wrist than turning over to look at clock.
My first watch was a Timex Expedition digital watch. I still have it 29 years later and it works perfectly.
I have one. It's a good cheap casual field watch with indigo.
Timex isn’t common here
I love my Timexs. I don't really care for the direction they are going now.
RE: Accuracy, is it important? Yes, when my wife determines that dinner is at 18:00. When the same wife says we are invited for 19:00…lol... My Timex Expedition Indiglo WR 50M is decades old and true to the old jingle, “Timex takes a licking and keeps on ticking.” And it keeps impeccable time, saving my life many times! Great show!
Absolutely adore this videos as you know TGV! Suggestion for future episode with Mark, you try to win over Mark with 5 amazing history stories, and Mark will counterattack with 5 amazing engineering solutions/designs to win, and we the viewers get to vote a winner
Best Regards
André
Agreed
49 minutes went by like 20! Laughed out loud a couple of times.
Did a search and was happy to find out, there were more videos with Marc. Good stuff!
I love the lume on my Seiko Quartz Tuna. When I wake up in the middle of the night I can read it easily and then drift back to sleep knowing I have more time to sleep. (hopefully) :-) Also the Seiko silicon band is super comfy and doesn't irritate my skin...highly recommended !
The Casio alarm bleeps had me trying to remember which task I'd set an alarm for. (Only for a second though)...:) lol
Thank you TGV and Mark for such a great discussion! I really enjoyed listening to your discussion! Great topics and points on the topics! May you please do more of these types of discussions? I really enjoy them! Stay healthy and well TGV and Mark! Nicholas 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻⏱⏱⏱🦖🦖🦖
I always sleep with whatever watch I have on in my rotation. It's so easy to look at it when I wake up to know how much longer I can sleep.
First you two are so entertaining 😅 2nd , Hacking debacle : I was under the impression high horologist watchmakers we're in debate on whether hacking damages the movements over time & thus that is why a lot of high end movements omit this feature intentionally . 🥂
I always sleep with my watch on. I'm 79 and have been doing this for 60 years. I love watches and own/ware 40 watches. My favorites are timex, seiko, citizen, and casio. Also, I love your u-tube channel.
So, I´m now officially a watch geek. 🙈 I was able to research the watch type on a person´s wrist from a quite distant and blurry photo a friend of mine showed me. The dial reminded me of a Citizen Nighthawk and it turned out to be a Citizen Promaster Sky Titanium (verified by the owner).
Once again great and relaxed chat with both of you. Thanks for wrapping up the weekend like this.
Saying that digital watches are not real watches or they don't have horology like mechanical watches is not only semantically wrong - but it's also very wrong in terms of logic, even if one ignores the semantic errors in their thinking and see what they are really trying to say. What they are trying to say (usually) is that mechanical watches require more skills to make and are therefore more precious and elegant time pieces. What these people often forget (or don't know at all) is that yes, it takes a lot of skill and knowledge to make an elegant mechanical watch - but it doesn't take Einstein.
However to create a digital watch, you need quantum physics which is far, far beyond classical mechanics. So it took Einstein, Bohr, Planck, Heisenberg, Pauli, Feynman and bunch of other extraordinary geniuses to come up with quantum mechanics - and only after that the digital watch was even possible to be made. So the digital watch in terms of complexity, finesse, needed knowledge, tools etc. is way beyond any mechanical watch. Quantum mechanics is one of the greatest achievements of the human mind, and digital watch is one of the manifestations of it. So the people who say that digital watch is not a real watch, are either arrogant snobs or don't know what they are talking about. Usually both.
Oh, and most common stupid thing to say about watches: "Why you have a wrist watch? Don't you have a clock in your phone"?...
I reckon the hacking, accuracy thing is an artefact of quartz watches which can maintain time fairly well, so why not set it exactly. I have quartz, automatics and manual wind and I don't set my mechanical watches that accurately but I do with my quartz watches. Weird, I know.
I think the hacking/accuracy thing had a military purpose well before Quartz but you make an interesting point - I will hack my Quartz watches because I know they will hold that accuracy, so why not make use of that feature. Mechanical watches will be out by a few seconds a day so no real point. That doesn’t diminish mechanical watches for me - they have other very desirable attributes.
I mean, generally people want there time devices to be accurate otherwise its not much of a time device, the world runs on a Coordinated Universal Time (UTC)... atomic timing, so accuracy matters throughout the world.
but yes, expanding on what you mentioned most folks are gonna have there first watch experience be a quartz or some kind of digital/smart watch so there natural expectations of a watch is for it to hold accurate timing.
Automatics and mechanicals are a niche market within the industry and to get into that world of watches I think youve naturally gotta be a curious minded person with broader interests...
and with all that said, I think its primarily just a fun little feature that new watch enthusiasts tend to play around with and enjoy well experiencing there first automatics, since you typically go into the experience with the understanding that its not gonna be as accurate as quartz or digital, so theres a natural curiosity among most people to know, well how accurate or inaccurate is it in comparison? and at the end of the day, hacking just makes running accuracy tests much easier for a new auto watch enthusiasts.
I know from my experience at least, that when i first got into automatics I was vary into the idea of setting the time to the second and seeing how it fared for accuracy after a few days-week...
you quickly realize its hardly off and it gradually becomes less of a priority or concern when resetting the time and especially as you get more automatics/mechanical watches in your collection and wear rotation, then resetting things can fell like a chore more then a thrill some days haha...
Some days I pick up a watch and just hack it regardless of where the seconds hand is at, set it and go... other days ill grab a watch and still take the moment to hack and set it perfectly as i can, it just depends on my mood, whether im in a rush or not etc etc
No it makes sense; I'll set my Qz for exact accuracy (Accuracy Freak), but intentionally set my Autos 5 Mins ahead. Not weird at all dude - Unique, & Preference.
@@TysonHook-22-Not true anecdotally. I set all my watches 7 minutes ahead, which is accurate, to me.
Love listening to these during work. We need a review on the limited edition Squale Galeazzi
I have to tell this story- My Dad has been eyeing my watches lately. He was over this morning and walked passed me watching a UA-cam video on his phone and is laughing as he walks into the spare bedroom. I stood there puzzled because I recognized the youtuber- TGV! I realized he's turning into me and has the watch bug.🤣 I was staring at him while sipping coffee from my TGV mug.
I quickly started to find his watch style and buy him his first watch. So we bought a new micro brand watch from Portugal called 'Contar'. It's a field watch. I'm breaking him in to get used to watch prices.
He has way more money than me so if I can get him to buy a luxury piece then maybe I can get to wear it😜
I think he's a Grand Seiko kind of guy!
🤣🤣🤣 This just made my day. Awesome, you guys are awesome.
Thank you so much for sharing this, I read it aloud to my wife. Absolutely fantastic!
Please say hello to your father for me.
Best regards,
TGV
As a Network Engineer working in a NOC (Network Operation Center) for a Tier 1 ISP (Service provider that owns and operates fiber to include dark fiberr), . Accurate time keeping is important when coordinating repair efforts for multiple incidences across the globe. While I could glance at the pc clock, set to UTC, that would only give me one time zone, It is much easier to look down at my GMT dual time to figure out what time it is where I am calling.
To provide a bit of context, we use UTC to track work completed on our repairs, but have to be conscious of the time zone we are calling out to. While I may have to call the VP of a telecommunication company when a disaster happens, my tone will be different if I am calling at 6 am vs 6 pm.
You and Mark should have a patreon podcast I would 100% pay to hear you two talk for hours
Lol why does it have to be behind a pay wall?
@@Duboixofficiel these guys deserve to get paid
A review for a dive watch with screw down crown: "it's total rubbish, I wanted to set the time but the pin to adjust time was so stuck I couldn't get it out, not even with pliers, so I returned the watch."
😂😂😂unbelievable that people would actually say that😂😂😂
@@hamzamohammed4796 I've seen it multiple times in various reviews 🤣😂🤣
I had a watch sales person tell me " a digital watch is for someone who can't tell time..." She was the epitome of a watch snob.
Yes i sleep with a watch on my wrist ;) When i was wearing a heavy diver, i did take it off because it was just way too heavy and would end up hurting my wrist.
I found f91w or f105 perfect for wearing in bed. They are Light, thin and have illumination and alarm too.
I don't know if being a "watch snob" is really a requirement for that attitude. As a child growing up during the "digital revolution", my own parents instilled that very thought into my head. Their generation placed a certain premium on telling time the "old fashioned way"....rightly, or wrongly...and frowned on giving their children digital display watches.
Well, an analog watch helps you visualise time because well, the hands cover a particular amount of distance when they move. It helps you put into perspective how much time has passed and how much time you have left, as well as what time it is now. A digital watch just shows the time it is now. At least that's how I perceive these things.
ALS Zeitwerk owners: 👁👄👁
@@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски I learned early math in elementary school with dial clocks as an aid... It was a number line available in all classrooms. 😁
As delivery driver for decades, after 10:30:59 am, the package was late. Often I would have an amazing number of stops to deliver by the deadline. It was often down to the wire. Buddy let me tell you, each second mattered lol. My timepiece was a very important tool. I miss the thrill of making the impossible happen. I miss it! However, I get more use out of all my “less precise” timekeepers these days. 😉
When I hear good value for money, I think about the specs of the watch versus price. Sapphire crystal, in-house movement, +/- accuracy, finishing, functions, water resistance, size, anti-magnetism, etc. Example: Omega Seamaster 300M compared spec to spec to Rolex Submariner then look at the pricing for each...
I think that term is somewhat subjective!
These relaxed conversations among obvious friends are lovely.
You were spot on with that last gripe. I was really enjoying the live chats on many channels but had to bow out of quite a few because they were beginning to devolve into mostly political arguments. On some the hosts were even telling people they shouldn’t be there if they didn’t share their views even on things as silly as sports.
I (and I feel most others) come to share and learn about a common interest. To each his own and if you can’t have a reasonable discussion about opposing viewpoints when they do arise then maybe you ought not discuss?
Pleasant music and friendly banter between people with great knowledge to share… the perfect end to a usually stressful week. Thanks guys.
Yes, I do sleep with my watch. I was actually trying to justify buying yet another watch so I though “hm, something small, cheap, with a light to check it in the night if I wake up… right, I will buy that ‘Casio Royal’ I was lusting because I NEED it!” 😂🤣😂
It’s my bed-time watch ever since! 😂
Another great discussion between two of my favorite watch related UA-camrs. Nicely Done! When are we going to see a TGV designed watch in Marc's lineup?
I sleep with a watch as it is far less disruptive to check the time in the middle of the night than stumbling for my glasses to see the clock
One of my Dad's favorite sayings when someone complained about a piece of meat being tough was: "It's tougher when there aint none." He spent two years in the Saharan desert during WW2. He couldn't understand all of this ultra-sensitivity that started coming up before he passed.
I sleep with my watch on.
Same watch for the past 42 years. A submariner.
Only remove it when i had surgery.
It means at least we feel confortable with the watch.
Congratulations for your outstanding vidéos. Magnifiscent pieces of iranian rugs on your sofa, first half of the 20th century.
Thank you so much my friend! Wow 42 years with a Sub, that is pure class.
Best regards,
YTGB
I’ve been watching for a couple of years, just wanted to tell you that I always enjoy the dramatic intros 😊😊
There was a time when I wouldn't take my watch off for weeks on end. Sleeping, bathing, day and night. It was a G-Shock back in the eighties and I was serving in the Navy in my country. It was my watch, my alarm clock, stopwatch and when you have it in your hand nobody can steal it 👍
Was it a square G shock
@@oscarosullivan4513 Bingo!
@@Nickos1b Would love the solar and atomic G shock square. They are classics
About camera overheating : sometimes it occurs when using a camera for a purpose it’s not designed to in the first place for example using a DSLR as a video camera, it’s Ok to film short sequences but it’s not made for long ones, for that purpose most DSLR makers sell camera specially built for filming (not the same price though). What you can endure with a camera overheating is more stuck pixels showing than the chip melting itself. It’s always good to let it cool down because image quality might be degrading significantly.
Je suis fan de vos vidéos, de votre esprit, et oui je dors avec ma citizen nighthawk blue angel, puisque elle est précise, fiable, relativement silencieuse et facile à lire la nuit.
Citizen look great
Hi! to answer your question, most highly recommended from the community for repairs is Rob Berkavicius from Thailand (though you need to take into considerations the sending and the receiving the watch back). If you want to repair it States side, try Oldfathertime (they own the new stock repair parts for the old accutrons), they are the most expensive, but might be an advantage for you as they are based in the US.
Great video, and no surprises I agree with all the points. As mentioned previously I'm really not a fan of the term "entry level" when it comes to watches as it specifically refers to price. Look forward to your next collaboration 👍
I must say, the Island Boys were a poor choice of a marketing campaign.
Fuckkkk mark needs to send them a couple islanders
Who on earth wants a Dick Mille watch? It’s grotesque.
This isn’t a stupid thing I’ve heard someone say, but just a funny story I remembered when they were talking about speed of watches. As a much younger man, I succumbed to a street salesperson to buy a watch from him. I no longer have the watch, but I kind of wish I did, because I’ve never seen a watch so fast. I swear I was gaining about 20 minutes an hour lol.
There is no better way to start the week with an Urban Gentry Watch Talk. :) Thank you!
I could listen to you two for hours! It’s so relaxing and I always learn something. The comedic video drop ins are hilarious too! I hope you keep this series of videos going for a long time!⌚️
Excellent conversation. I love the back and forth between the two very different mindsets. I did want to mention that I'm one of those accuracy freaks, but it's an occupational hazard for folks like me in the calibration field. After 35 years of calibrating everything from fever thermometers to Rubidium clocks I practically lose my mind if something is out of spec. I set my watches using the NIST time website. Nevertheless, I love my Vostoks, and I don’t think they will ever change to a hacking movement.
While watching I've written a rather lengthy amount of comments on the discussed subjects, I hope these are of interest to some.
I suppose this was a thought-provoking discussion for me, so thanks for making this video.
9:18 I do, though half of the time I put on my small Casio beater as some pieces can be uncomfortable in bed.
Which is related to the first thing, if someone expect a watch to survive such a fall, they should get a G-Shock or an old Timex.
This being the very reason G-Shock exists and was Timex's appeal back in the day. "The watch that can take a licking and will keep on ticking."
Actually looking for the joke comment, apparently searching for 'watch' on r34 brings up feet, along with the expected normal wearing.
12:14 On the "first real watch", I do consider merch, ultra-cheap or fashion-y pieces that don't do a good job of telling or keeping time as not real watches.
Those being more bracelets or similar jewellery to me, appearing as a time telling tool.
If a watch does effectively tell and keep time along with being wearable (perhaps in a pocket), it is a real watch to me, no matter how cheap or weird.
21:22 A good counter-point is; then why do phone, alarm-, oven-, microwave- and most wall clocks lack a second readout?
Those devices are also meant to display the time yet don't offer setting the seconds accurately (without internet for phones).
Also, they can get a watchmaker (or hobbyist) to swap the movement for a hacking replacement.
31:00 Cameras are actually semi-notorious for having bad cooling solutions, running hot or being able to overheat themselves.
This is a design flaw in the camera, causing it to have to protect itself by shutting down.
32:42 If it's consistent, regulate it! My first automatic has yet to arrive, but it being a Vostok, I will attempt that myself.
But a watchmaker can regulate it down too. The most accurately if you tell them the exact rate it runs in actual wear, as this differs from it being in a timegrapher.
Which can be found using something like the relic of the WatchCheck app or a (paper or digital) spreadsheet.
36:10 "GIF" or "JIF". Discuss.
In Dutch culture, it is socially accepted to correct others on their pronunciation, I'm assuming that's the country you're referring to.
If so, you don't have to wind around it this politely, being direct and honest is a part of Dutch culture too.
While I do find mispronunciation like discussed later annoying, it makes sense if the languages use different sounds.
I do consider it rude to mispronounce words by only reading it's spelling, like English speaking people tend to do with "Gouda", "stroopwafel" and similar Dutch words.
45:36 Welcome to the internet~
I apply such a framework of subjects or things to avoid outside of groups I don't trust to not derail in to such discussions.
When it doesn't derail people with specific passions can get extremely fed up on small details and opinions on these things of interest.
This is especially strong in the Linux community, probably even more so than with watches.