Can Switch 2 Match/Better Steam Deck Performance At $299?
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A portable Nintendo should be called the P-NES
Yes and the dock should be called the extender, the P-NES Extender.
@@fcukugimmeausername Totally, also P-Nes is compatible with Wii
"Rosebud Frozen Peas. Full of country goodness and green pea-ness."
"I'm going to play with my P-NES"
😂
@@fcukugimmeausername It's multiplayer you know
A dollar in 2017 is closer to $1.27 in 2024. $399 for a Switch 2 isn't crazy.
I consulted an inflation calculator, and $399 in today's money would be around the same as $315 in 2017 money (only $15 more than the Switch cost at launch) so unfortunately you're right
@@PancakesTheDragoncatMan... That really hurts. I wanna say that that's crazy but 2017 was 7 years ago...help
inflation does not work the same as real wages do
@@kamikazilucasThey kinda do dance around each other, but over time the differences become noticeable. The lat couple of years have been bad, but workers in the US has felt it for several decades. It's catching up to Europeans as well now.
But has that inflation affected the price of components, or Nintendo salaries?
There’s now way it will be 299
Especially since the Switch is still selling strong at $300.
$400
@@tomohawkcloud ya minimum
@@chillnspace777 why 400? They need it to be cheap do people will buy it. That is partly why the quest 2 sold 20 million units.
@oo--7714 I mean they don't usually take a loss on hardware. Idk how much the new switch will cost I just guessing. Granted its older tech.They could do a 350 model at launch and drop the switch 1.
There’s no way they sell this for less than $350. That’s the price of the Switch OLED, which is the best selling Switch variant now - the demand at that price point is clearly there.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they launch at $400, but equally Nintendo is relatively careful on pricing, so $350 with a price drop for the old machines, and a $400 OLED down the line, would make a tonne of sense.
One thing is for sure - they’ll be selling this thing at a profit.
Considering inflation I would say 399 is a safe bet. They could be uber aggressive and decide to subsidize the HW or offer a base model with less storage, worse screen etc to try to get it to 350. 299 would be shocking.
It's severely underpowered hardware, comparable to Xbox one and PS4 in many ways. The Xbox Series S retailed at 299 USD, sure at a 200 USD loss, but that was much more powerful hardware than the Switch 2 will be. This should come to nobody's surprise. If you remember the Switch launch, you'll know that the hardware was essentially just the Wii U hardware but portable. And the Wii U was much more underpowered compared to the Microsoft and Sony competitors. Nintendo has never prioritised performance, as it seeks to profit from their hardware. The architecture Nintendo is using is Ampere, sure. But the Tegra T239 is a scaled down version of the the T234, popular in cars. It's nice that good graphical fidelity is coming cheaply available, as is the case with semiconductors.
@@thegamerkhan Nobody cares. The Switch OLED has sold gangbusters at $350 and the Switch 2 is not going to be cheaper than the current model. That’s the facts.
There are many many games on Switch that have no right looking as good as they do on Tegra X1. If we apply the same correlation to the hypothetical T239, i’m very excited to see what Nintendo has in store.
The Switch and the Series S are the only consoles that force developers to focus on optimization and it's no coincidence you get the most impressive performance relative to HW on those devices. Some PC games are now also being optimized because of the Steam Deck.
I assume you're confusing art direction with graphical fidelity.
I can’t even imagine what prime remastered would look like running on that..and you know Nintendo loves to squeeze every last bit of potential out of their hardware…sometimes…
It's severely underpowered hardware, comparable to Xbox one and PS4 in many ways. The Xbox Series S retailed at 299 USD, sure at a 200 USD loss, but that was much more powerful hardware than the Switch 2 will be. This should come to nobody's surprise. If you remember the Switch launch, you'll know that the hardware was essentially just the Wii U hardware but portable. And the Wii U was much more underpowered compared to the Microsoft and Sony competitors. Nintendo has never prioritised performance, as it seeks to profit from their hardware. The architecture Nintendo is using is Ampere, sure. But the Tegra T239 is a scaled down version of the the T234, popular in cars. It's nice that good graphical fidelity is coming cheaply available, as is the case with semiconductors.
Switch 2 should have at least a Pentium 4.
We can only hope, no more celerons for me.
P4 with a GeforceFX gpu
Original Xbox Pentium III for life.
Pentium 4 is weaker than A78c based processor powering the switch 2. I know from first hand experience because I have a tablet with a version of the A78c and have ran games on it. The 8 core A78c actually was designed to power laptops rather than tablets.
233 mhx
It won't be $299. Before even getting into specs, inflation alone means Nintendo would be getting less actual money per unit than they did from the Switch back in 2017. Also, the Switch 2 at $299 would require Nintendo to reduce the prices for the entire existing Switch line, I don't see Nintendo leaving money on the table like that. A higher price point gives them more options to manage the transition.
question: do you think that Nintendo's profit model is to make money off the consoles themselves or to make it up through purchases on their store?
@dandiaz19934 For Nintendo, the answer is both. Historically, most of their revenue comes from the software. But since they also make their own hardware, it's of course beneficial to them when both sides of the coin are as strong as they can be (NES, GB, DS, Wii and to lesser extents the GBA and 3DS)
How can the switch2 be 299 if the switch one retail price is 350 right now?
@@DioBrando-qr6ye It won't. $399.99 is the sweet-spot.
@@DioBrando-qr6ye the switch is 199
How can it be $300 when Switch is still $300 7 years later?
It's because Nintendo needs competitors in the handheld market. They need someone to check them.
Because the same parts needed for Switch (Primarily the chipset) have got substantially cheaper over the last seven years, gradually increasing hardware profits per unit sold. So even if they launched the new system at the same price and were conservative with parts, they'd still be making a profit, just nowhere near as much per unit.
if you are buying a switch for full price rn you are an idiot
Because the Switch keeps selling. No need to lower the price if sales don't slow.
Ask yourself has nintendo ever dropped the price on anything? The answer is no
I think Steam Deck has a different set of priorities than the Switch and Switch 2. With the launch of the 3DS and Switch, we did see a reduced priority on battery life and to a less extent, heat. While newer models ran cooler and had somewhat better battery life, I wouldn't expect them to blaze new territory. So you have to ask yourself 'what are Nintendo's priorities for it if not that?' I'd guess getting those newer technologies, particularly DLSS, on a portable device, to allow for better visual upscaling while playing in docked. This would be one way for Nintendo to prioritize game development for handheld mode, keeping development costs down in order to maximize profits.
Nintendo won’t sell their new system for that cheap. Hell, the now old SwitchOG is still $299.
They don’t have to compete with Steam Deck, because their games are only on their own hardware.
Steamdeck actually runs Switch games. So it's not only their own hardware )))
@@Sly2Cooper so does pretty much all the pc handheld's flooding the market nowadays.
@@Sly2CooperCute, now compare steam deck's sales to switch's. People who emulate on similar hardware are a drop in the bucket.
@@twincherries6698and? If you want better it’s out there.
@@Sly2Cooper If you think SteamDeck will immediately able to run Switch 2 games, you are delusional.
It took Yuzu 5 years to emulate Switch. We still don't have PS4 and XboxOne emulator and they're 10+ years old hardware.
the node is a big question with this device. we know T239 brings in Lovelace features (which is on 4N) and is customised vs T234 so it's not out of the question a better node could be used, either TSMC or one of the better Samsung ones.
It's ampere though. What part is Lovelace? The tensor cores?
@@Loundsify Clock gating and AV1 decode. It is also on the latest version of Ampere better than the PC and Orin's version and is just before Lovelace. It also has Grace's memory controller rather than Orin's.
remember that steam deck runs x86 while switch 2 will surely be ARM again, which is famously a lot more efficient
$400 at least.
You mean "at most", right?
Why? Base steamdeck was $420 2 years ago and the nintendo switch will probably not have more than 64 gb internal storage anyways because its nintendo and they like to cheap out on storage amount
@@dwaynethemineraljohnson412 Well, every single Nintendo console has had more storage than the last.
Even many budget phones have 128GB / 256GB of storage nowadays, so we should expect at least that much.
But yes, Nintendo will not make an overly expensive device. 400 is the absolute upper limit and I'm sure they're trying their best to make it less.
And then the OLED model
@@dwaynethemineraljohnson412lol internal storage has leaked through public shipping data. It has 256go of fast internal memory. "Because Nintendo", such a shity argument 😂
It definitely needs at least 1.21 jigowatts!!
I def agree $299 doesn't take seem like the mark anymore. If we can get something comparable to the Steamdeck then honestly it'll probably be the last video game system in general I'll buy for a while. All the games are coming to either it, Steam, or PS5 still and I'm not about to make the same mistake of dropping $600 or however much on the PS6 only for it to have like no games.
299? More 399.for starters
The economies of scale of a device that has sold 3 million units vs one that has sold about 140 million. When considering that this device can extend the life of investments made in 8 nanometers, they for sure can negotiate good prices.
If we are comparing to the Deck, I agree that the lowest price for a new Nintendo device would be $400 and maybe $450 if the screen is OLED or system is beefed up. Especially with this crazy inflation.
SUPER Nintendo Switch
Having the steam deck as such an open device I couldn’t see myself using the switch due to all the limitations to what I can play.
Xbox is not on 6nm yet.
Series S and X is still 7nm.
I won't be touching the new Switch until there's an OLED model.
Smart, we can expect a "mid-gen refresh" with an OLED display.
The Switch 2 isn't even out and here we are already talking about an OLED 😂
Same here
I mostly play docked so doesn’t matter that much to be but it’s stupid if they don’t launch with OLED.
OLED is life.
The Switch 2 will still outsell the Steam Deck's LTD hardware sales within its very first year in the market.
Just like the 3DS outsold the Vita. Just like the Wii outsold the PS3.
Its not about powerful hardware with Nintendo. They don't need that to sell hardware. Its about their games.
Its only been that way since after the GameCube era. Dunno why people still get it wrong when it comes to Nintendo hardware.
first year ? more like first day
@@fishyperil2153 I mean sure. That could happen.
I'm just saying that the Steam Deck has sold so far a similar amount of units as the Wii U did in a similar period of time. And the Wii U was a monumental FLOP.
The Switch 2 should sell a lot better than the Wii U. And thus, better than the Steam Deck as well.
@@TatankaTaylor I think the Steam Deck sold about 3 million in the 2 years it's been available so far. Wii U Sold like 13 million in 4 years.
But the sales expectations aren't really the same, Steam Deck is a more niche experimental device while the Wii U was the main offering of one of the world's biggest traditional game makers.
@@fishyperil2153 If you read my previous post I was referring to how many units Wii U sold in a similar time period as the Steam Deck did. I wasn't referring to how many units the Wii U sold in total.
@@TatankaTaylor ok, yeah I admit I didn't exactly know how much Wii U sold at specific points in time so I just assumed that 2 years in it was more or less half of what it was at the end
One thing that needs to be considered is how they approaching their customers this time around.
He’s Nintendo for most people is known as the one that provides cheaper but fun consoles, but that wasn’t the case before the wii. The GameCube was powerful for its time (limited by its disc size) and was a normal price.
Considering the huge huge sales of the switch, and the fact the oled which is around 350. They probably realise people will want to pay for a high performance version of something they like.
Especially as gaming is something more people are willing to spend a lot on.
This gen had 2 consoles go for around £500. Remember how the £400 price tag of the ps3 hampered its sale? Not as big of a case anymore.
Switch 2 will likely exceed Steam Deck, but it will definitely not be a 300$ device, more like 350-400$ as Nintendo doesn't want to sell at a loss.
The GPU will be a straight 3x core increase (1536 on Switch 2 vs 512 on SD). The Nvidia Leak had GPU tests with 3 performance profiles, those being 4.2w @ 660MHz, 9.3w @ 1125MHz and finally 12w @ 1380MHz. The 1st one seems to be for portable mode, the 2nd one for docked and the last one for stress testing. If these are actually the performance profiles for Switch 2, then we'd be looking at 2.02 TFLOPs, thus exceeding SD at portable mode already, not even including Nvidia exclusive hardware & features like Tensor & RT cores + DLSS.
On the CPU side we're looking at a 8C/8T Cortex A78C (likely at 2GHz) vs 4C/8T Zen 2 at 3.5 GHz setup. Since most games nowadays are well optimized for 6-8 CPU cores i think the Switch 2 will perform better in the long term.
The biggest mystery though is the RAM. 8GB is not going to cut it and i think most developers who are developing for Switch 2 likely already asked for more if Nintendo were going for 8GB. I'm assuming we'll see 12GB for the consumer device and 16GB for the dev-kit.
As for the storage solution recent leaks suggest SD Express will be used since Samsung is planning to release such consumer-level cards this year. The absolute lowest-end budget cards supposedly reach nearly 1GB of transfer speed per second. I'd assume Nintendo will settle with a UFS storage solution that hits that 1GB/s transfer speed, likely UFS 3.1 in this case. It's not quite as good as the NVME drives on the more expensive SD models, but still miles ahead of the cheapest option with the 64GB EMMC internal storage and using Micro-SD cards for games.
It will definitely be interesting to see how they compare and in what aspects they have the advantage and disadvantage.
So I think the likelihood is clocks for the CPU will be around 1.5Ghz as theres twice as many as last time and the IPC is already 3x faster than the original A53 cores at the same clocks. I just hope it had minimum 88GB/s bandwidth in portable.
DF is just wrong at this time, i mean, the Steam Deck is not powerfull as it looks, Steam Deck can't handle the games that the device runs a 720p in 1080p. Switch have a hardware from 2015, underclocked. This time we are almost 10 years of the distance from the Tegra X1 release date. And we can't forget how much more performance per clock an ARM device has against a X86 device.
When the Switch released in 2017, its closest competitor price-wise was the PS4 Slim, also at $300.
I could see Nintendo releasing a new console with a "Lite" model at $300 (the price of an Xbox Series S) and a "Switch" model at $400 (the price of a PS5 Digital. I know it got rasied to $450 but I'm convinced it'll drop back to $400 when Nintendo makes its move).
I think Sony will do that for sure.
I think this is comparable. Depending on the price/ features of the switch 2, it’ll be that or a deck. Most notably, I want to see backwards compatibility in the switch 2
It's unfortunate that you guys missed the entire discussion around the actual viability of T239 being on 8nm, why would you design a chip with a 12SM GPU when on 8nm the clocks would be so limited that an 8SM GPU would be clocked high enough at the same wattage to be a few % points slower, with 50% less transistors, thus being cheaper to produce. 8nm is an assumption, because Nvidia would have just designed a smaller GPU for the same performance/price and kept the money.
I guess it depends how it scales with DLSS. Maybe more SM's is needed to have better performance with DLSS.
I really hope so a $400 Swtich with equal to or stronger performance would be perfect. That would get me really excited for the power of a SteamDeck 2.
just remember that that will be the last steamdeck
@@RusticRonnie yeah valve doesn't like number 3...
@@GM-Shenmueit depends, they won't call it steam deck 3 but they will definitely have a steam deck: Alyx
@@Mythicalgoonsteam deck 2 episode 1
Rumors are that Switch 2 specs were finalized early in 2022, it could have been in sale since late 2023, and we'll be seeing it in 2025.
The Steam Deck OLED Sephiroth SOC on the other hand, has been released in 2023 and it is 6nm.
I'm actually skeptical about it beating the latest Deck, given the same power envelope. Nintendo's flavor of DLSS will carry it super hard.
The power is pretty much identical to the lcd one tho.
If this is true then that's really unfortunate.
Covid didn't help though
It really would have made zero sense for Nintendo to release a new device to cannibalize the still hot selling switch.
I’m not gonna lie, if we go from 2017 to 2025 with a machine that effectively doesn’t surpass the capabilities of Sony/Microsoft’s previous generation of consoles, I’ll be disappointed/on the fence about a purchase.
@@brady9592 they're in a tricky situation because I do believe the specs were finalised in 2022 and planned for a 2023 release but the silicone shortage messed up their plans.
It takes a long time to finalise specs so they most likely don't want to delay their new console any longer and are just gonna go with their 2022 plans.
It sucks for everyone. Although the parts for Nintendo will probably be cheaper by 2025 so that'll be win for them.
I was typing "The switch 2 better be better than the steam deck" but realizing with how Nintendo has been handling legacy games, I am not buying a switch 2. No not just from an emulator sense but with how they handled the mario releases, switch online, and games removed from physical sale before the switch's life cycle. An interesting revelation I just had.
Wut, the Mario releases have always been solid
@@oo--7714 I was not clear lol, I meant the releases of SM64, Sunshine and Galaxy.
@@oo--7714and it took only 4 years of waiting to get Mario Trilogy, lol.
A mere GPD Win 2 had those games from launch and much more. Just like Steamdeck.
The biggest problem with Nintendo is that they are oh so lazy with their legacy games.
While their entire GameCube\Wii library can be played on a $200 handheld or any other handheld except Switch itself.
@@SethizFTW eh, I really don't feel like that is an issue but you do you.
@@Sly2Cooper the win had a worse processor though.
It should be oled and 399, but likely only one of those
This comparison is not healthy one. Switch is designed with less power for separate audience who loves Nintendo products and softwares. Even big companies adapting their big games for switch hardwares and best example is Witcher 3. Steamdeck and rog ally is a PC handheld market
Well, for me it depends on the features and price of the switch 2; if they don’t strike a good balance, I may go for a deck.
@@Alex-pk1iy as I said.. switch main selling point is not pc games. It’s Mario, Zelda, kirby, and much more …I played most of Zelda games .. they are all same but there are huge fan base out there for them
They are going to need to provide a big enough incentive for EVERYONE to upgrade, otherwise they are better off just releasing a refresh. The Switchs 2 needs to be a generational leap which should put it around Steam Deck ballpark level of performance. And yea, the clocks probably locked at lower levels to maximize battery life etc.
@@gamble777888 I think they don’t need to prove this leap generation.. if Nintendo releases gameboy like new console with downgraded graphics. They definitely gonna sell minimum 100m units. Bcoz they will put fantastic contents for that new console.. they already lost a huge market when chasing x360 and ps3 in their own way using Wii models.. so they never gonna do the same mistake. They will be in their own way… remember Mario kart 8 sold 60m copies for 59usd and on one single platform..
@@SelvarajuManivannan06 GameCube and Wii U proved that Nintendo fans looking for Nintendo games are not that numbered. They are just too loud.
So they must go for broader audience or else most customers will go to Valve and other UMPCs of choice.
It'll most likely be $400. Aside from the performance and the games, they'll justify it for the mass market with a larger 8" screen. Throw in inflation and the current Switch OLED costing $350 and I'm just going to assume a $400 price point.
If the Switch 2 isn't as powerful as a Steam Deck then it's an epic fail
Not at all. It's the highly optimized and fun games that makes Nintendo successful, not pure hardware power.
@@wausjackbauer128 Your logic is an EPIC FAIL 💀
@@DaveSimkus I agree. But Nintendo's consoles would be amazing if they had the power to run 3rd party games at the same level as other consoles
I think we all know at this point you dont buy a Nintendo console for power. You're buying into their software catalog. They dont need to compete with anyone at this point.
Yep. Nintendo will design a console that provides their first party devs enough power to accommodate their visions for Zelda and Mario whilst also taking into account battery and the physical size limitations of a younger audience.
Switch 2 will not be as fast as Steam deck and it doesn't have to be.
I buy them to play like two or three games, then buy everything else for PC or other consoles. If Nintendo could just do better, they'd convince a few people like me to buy more. As it stands, I just can't. Not when even the simplest games I never expected to have performance issues (for me that was Sexy Brutale) actually ran terribly.
@@LeeroyJanky probably just a dev optimisation issue
People are buying Nintendo not mostly because of their software, but because of it being portable, the Wii U had their great software, but it failed hard.
The software is terrible though at least speaking for everything on the system besides the games themselves such as third party app support, the online services and that type of stuff
I’m sorry to say but the switch 2 isn’t going to be 300$, 400$ is much more likely especially if they want to future proof it with good performance
X86 is incomperable in perf per watt with ARM. Look at your phone. So the switch 2 can stay at most 7 watts to match the SD's performance(hence the titles are optimised for the switch2 though. I think Nintendo it going to use the the most performance to price nm process. They can always step up to the more power efficient scales when they get cheaper.
the SD got its price probably because of resting on discounted incomplete chiplets for the ps5 xbox chips
i don’t think its wise for nintendo to ignore the market competition in handheld space. taking granted might be the downfall for even the mightiest ones
Vangough was designed for Valve and handhelds in mind.
@@LoundsifyI believe it was sephiroth that was
Edit: I paused to type before he explained half of this already 😂
Can we please remind everyone that Samsung 8nm is really just their 10nm process node "refined" like TSMC did with "6"nm and "4"nm. It's slightly better than TSMC's 10nm and far, far worse than TSMC's 7nm. If Nintendo is truly, truly using Samsung 8nm, then it's legitimately concerning - and I don't care about graphics. Battery life and heat will be awful and I care far more about that. Samsung 8nm is an energy-inefficient, hot running mess. Nintendo should be ashamed to use it even if they got it for pennies on the dollar. The Switch 2's battery life will be dreadful.
Nintendo crowd will justify even that.
The 3060ti was the most power efficient graphics card before the 40 series launched. So I don't buy that ampere can't be power efficient. Bearing in mind Samsung used 8nm for their own phones.
Are we ready for the adorably all digital Switch 2?
People only complain when it's xbox. But will gladly buy an all digital switch
@@Sand_1995Same. I haven't bought a physical game in years.
@@Sand_1995 Same. I haven't bought physical games for years.
@@Sand_1995no. People would complain. And they’ll have good reason to. Don’t be silly. YT comment sections are the lowest of the low. Always trying to stir shit over nothing you act like you’re a child.
Never! 😄 Physical 'til I die! (At least when it comes to Nintendo, that ship sailed long ago for PC sadly)
As many have said before, Nintendo does not really compete in power, and considering that game development is almost physically unable to squeeze the power out of the most powerful consoles (at least not in a way that is healthy for anyone), extra power at this point might just be a waste.
They don't compete in power because for 3 generations they've had a "gimmick" in their console which sorta costs more to produce.
And they intentionally price their consoles as low as possible to be appealing to parents. It's pretty amazing what power they've squeezed out of their last 3 consoles.
So potentially with the Switch 2 they can focus a bit on power, assuming it's still a hybrid console like the Switch and they don't have to use a lot of new parts.
Okay, so without power, 3rd party games coming with 540p sub 30fps right on the way
I have full confidence in Nintendos strategy. Hardware doesn’t matter when you have master class game designers.
Just up the price and deliver a powerful handheld. 400 - 450 is doable.
We are talking Nintendo here. They will more likely deliver weak hardware for premium price.
@@Sly2Cooper A 2017 handheld with capabilities better than PS3/Xbox 360 is not weak for handheld standards whatsoever. The Steam Deck came out, what, 5 years after Switch (literally an entire generation in gaming) and is slightly more capable than PS4? Is the Steam Deck a weak piece of hardware then? Lmao
@@ShadowMan64572 I'm talking about Wii, Wii U, DS, 3DS.
Switch was based on a 4 years old chipset on launch. Modern phones are more powerful than Switch.
And actually Steamdeck is weaker than its competitors.
@@Sly2Cooper "and ACKtually, Steam Deck is weaker than its competitors" Ok, I think I'm done here. Not going to waste my time arguing why Steam Deck with a 2 hour minimum battery life is superior to an ultra-powerful competitor with utterly abysmal battery life LOL
@@ShadowMan64572 you brought up the performance in the first place. And when it turned out both Switch and Steamdeck have weaker hardware you jumped on another topic, lol.
Good job.
I would pick Steamdeck over Switch any day. But it doesn't mean it has a superior hardware than competitors.
Nintendo first party games honestly are Mario odyssey, pikmin 4, both FE3H, Xenoblade 3 had its moments, and metroid dred were all I cared for. Everything else I've played is just remake or mediocre or for babies. I honestly really prefered the older Zelda games story and their style over the current ones. Procedural generation with polish over the top only is good if every corner is filled with story and atmosphere.
Even at 299, the system is locked and Nintendo never puts games on sale. I'll keep my deck.
True, but the games keep their value if you have them physically. I can’t resell Steam Deck games.
😂 Anyone spending money on Nintendo products is a sucka. Poor performance, weak catalog, bad online service @@seanmcbay
@@seanmcbay I got a bad feeling nintendo is going to follow suite.
@@seanmcbay Steam deck games are not just on steam deck. They can be played on PC, Mac, Geforce Now and possibly on Xbox in future. They'll be playable many years later on newer hardware. The same can't be said about Switch.
@ProtectusCZ you can't sell them though which is a massive issue imo.
well the original deck has is already 350 usd ? When on sale it's around 300 already. But Nintendo will def nerf it the switch 2.
Maybe DLSS and different features better than Steam Deck but if the Switch 2 isn't at LEAST as powerful in raw performance as a Steam Deck after all these years AND delay then that would be immensely disappointing and baffling to be honest
I am with the majority and will say; not at $299. No way. It will be at the VERY LEAST $350 but will most likely be $400-$450 if the things is AT LEAST as powerful as the Steam Deck.
I couldn’t care less about the launch or power of the next switch, current model is still going strong and the library is huge eclipsing rival systems.. I have no reason to upgrade unless Metroid prime 4 is exclusive to the new system.
I’m willing to pay more for something a little more impressive and future proof but knowing Nintendo it will be another half-step but affordable.
The switch will prolly be at least $399, Because Nintendo can get away with it.
Think about it, the Switch sold 60k units this month and they're STILL selling it for full price.
I wish human beings were smarter.
I dont think buying a switch makes someone stupid. The days of consoles going down in price are over unfortunately
You don't "think", it's just not stupid. Period. The Switch has a robust catalog by now, no chance it is a bad purchase even at 300.
Nonetheless, I feel bad for Americans, the thing is actually much cheaper elsewhere. I bought an OLED model for 4200MXN, which is ~260USD.
If the switch 2 is $400 and isn’t better than a steam deck it’ll be a wash for me, at that point I can get a steam deck second hand for less or wait a bit for steam deck 2 that will absolutely body switch 2 for $100 more if valve repeat the price of the original
If they can make it $300 it would be amazing
Deck 2 isn't going up be £300
@@adrianhazzard6665 sorry I meant the deck 2 would be $500
I'd gladly pay a bit more for a console that runs well. I ope nintendo don't massively drop the ball on performance just to save a few cents per unit.
Uh please explain how the dead end of the line lithography technology of 8nm with no die shrinks is going to be cheap to license and develop on the completely different lithography tech you stated? That's expensive as all heck.
You say dead end but Samsung still produces older nodes today. Same with TSMC. They even produce 40nm still.
@Loundsify that has nothing to do with anything.
Are you going to go from a 8nm switch 2 to a 40nm switch 2 light? Of course not.
Sec8nm is the last DUV Lithography in use. It has No future, which means if you want to do a die shrink for say, a switch 2 light, or v2, you have to completely redesign and license a brand new soc for EUV lithography.
@@Nobody-sp7ugNvidia and Nintendo did a redesign from a planar node (20nm) to a FinFET node (16FF) for TX1 to TX1+. Which did require a redesign, and a more complicated one at that then moving from a non EUV FinFET node to one utilizing EUV layers. This isn't a compelling argument against 8N.
@2intheampm512 nvidia had an entire other product line they were planning using the t214 in besides switch v2, which they had mapped out and they would have done whether or not nintendo adopted the T210 for switch and it became a ridonkulous smash hit.
There are no ampere shields, or shield tv pros and the ampere jetson is already using orin.
@@Nobody-sp7ug tbf Shield TV is fine on the specs it is, I have one. For streaming and media purposes it's perfect.
It’s crazy Nintendo will be coming out with another outdated console which is sad to me. Anyone remember when Nintendo commercials used to say “Now you’re playing with power!”
Master System > Nes
Game Gear > Gameboy
Snes > Genesis
Playstation/Saturn = N64
OG XBOX > Gamecube
PSP > GBA/DS
PS3 > WII
Vita > 3DS
PS4 > WII U/ SWITCH
The Super Nintendo was an outlier, nintendo have never bothered trying to be the most powerful
@@guyverjay1289 the switch is a handheld, and the og Xbox was released after the GameCube
@@oo--7714- so? I am talking about each generation and the difference between the OG xbox and Gamecubes release date was literally one month. That is negligible.
The switch is a hybrid. Either way that is still not remotely relevant to the point I am making which is besides the super nintendo (which came out after the genesis) . Nintendo have never bothered to try and blow away the competition with power. They just do their own thing and if the system just so happens to have plenty of horsepower...so be it...if not 🤷♂️
@@guyverjay1289
N64>PS1, Saturn
GameCube>PS2
@@kasjamm - Nope, the N64 was hobbled by its storage medium amongst other things. 2D games on the system were almost non existent for a reason. Just getting something like Resident Evil 2 on the system took a programming masterclass and the likes of squaresoft abandoned nintendo for Sony as the latest Final Fantasy games were never going to run on the N64. Hence why I put = because if you weigh up the pros and cons the N64 had just as many shortcomings as it did advantages against the saturn and playstation hardware.
It doesn't matter if the cube was more powerful than the PS2, it was still behind the OG Xbox so it wasn't the most powerful of its generation. End of story
Steam Deck can use 22-25W even handheld. Total Power.
Switch 2017 was 15w max.
I reckon it will be weaker than Steam Deck in power, but far more optimised which would help match it more.
The question isn't if they can because yes, they can in theory sell a handheld with the same power as the steam deck for 299$.
The real question is if they would do that and the answer is a clear no, Nintendo keeps being Nintendo so they will release a system that's weaker than the 3 year old competition for around 400 bucks and it will be outdated and underpowered garbage 2 or 3 years after release, just like the switch. The more interesting question would be what gimmick they do this time to con a casual audience into buying their system.
Steam Deck performance is a quantum leap for Nintendo.
I dont think nintendo will care a lot to compete with the steam deck, im sure they will go like $100 more expensive than the competition without giving it much thought. Nintendo has not been about the specs since the gamecube era, nintendo's brand is their games.
They have constructed a similar scheme to apple's in the sense that their customer base is tied to their games (as apple usually mean expensive but usually above average quality products). Nintendo usually makes some of the most polished games on the market and never let them off their own environent. Sony and microsoft cant keep up with nintendo's first party game output, so nintendo will always be the "second console" in the sense that you buy a PC, xbox or PS for some first party and most third parties and also a nintendo console to experience most of everything, so to me, i feel the steam deck is more of a competitor to xbox and PS than to nintendo. They could only compete if they shared games, but Nintendo fans buy nintendo for their games, for everything else i have my PC
I wonder could they go the way of phones and do incremental updates every 2 years and keep the portability. i dont think it needs more than 1080p on handheld and just have better fps and battery would be great. xenoblade and zelda are great looking games. have them with better aliasing and fps improves enough
I would even pay 500 to 600$ for a POWERFUL Nintendo system
Switch 2 is probably gonna be $399, but it'll be equal to or slightly above the original Steam Deck. That said, weren't most of the 8nm rumors inconclusive?
8nm guarenteed by mlid
@@bulletpunch9317 mild is always wrong tho
@@oo--7714 like?
@@bulletpunch9317Someone on Reddit recently examined and studied MLID's claims and so called leaks and found that he was only reasonably correct on his speculations, rumours and so called leaks around 58-60% of the time. It was taken from 72 of his fairly recent prediction and "leak" videos, since Zen 3 launched.
However it also shown that in the build up to a product being released, he would often flipflop and change several details of the hardware specifications multiple times within his claims. Also many of those claims often covered a wide bracket or range of values.
The fact is if you cover a lot of bases with multiple differing speculations (guesses) over a wide range, then one of those is eventually going to pan out and hit close to the mark.
For example even I could speculate, that the next single core gains on Ryzen 5 CPU's will be somewhere around 10-30%. I know that it will likely be within that range, based on past uplifts from AMD CPU's and typical gen on gen tech advancements. I could then release 2 videos, one claiming 10-20% and another claiming 20-30% and know one of the two videos will likely hit the mark. It doesn't take a "leaker" for me to get it right, just a few educated guesses.
Also, as many have pointed out, he also often uses leaks from other sources and then claims that he also heared the very same thing from his "inside leak" weeks ago (utter BS, BTW).
He has even deleted several older videos in the past, where his claims and speculations where wildly wrong (a lot for Ampere, RDNA 2 and RDNA 3 stuff, BTW). He then denies that he even made such claims to begin with.
The guy is often called out for being nothing but a shill and the biggest fraud amongst the tech community on Reddit. Personally, I kinda agree with them.
@@bulletpunch9317 MLID has decent AMD sources and good Nvidia sources. But when it comes to the Tegra line, him and pretty much all other leakers get shit wrong. Switch and it's follow up are Tegra line SoCs, sooo, do the math .
Would it be possible to make the dock an "expansion pack" with extra compute or RAM?
It wont have a portable PC chip, it will have a cellphone chip a 2 years old by launchtime higj end cellphone chip. That is how it will be cheap but perform better than the switch itself
I miss streetpass
I don't think so, the steam deck can run games at xbox series X like performance, just take a look at some titles like halo infinite and forza horizon motorsport 8.
The switch 2 will still suffer in performance with the 8gb of ram frame buffer.
Most newer titles require atleast 12gb or 16gb of ram depending on the game.
Why do you think resident evil 4 remake never came to switch, because the game requires high bandwidth memory and capacity , something the switch or the switch 2 won't have. If resident evil 4 remake does come to switch 2 the graphics will look ugly like the ps4 version.
"Steam deck can run with xbix series x performanxe"
The ammount of yapping is insane tbh. Does that make the ally a ps5 pro 😂😂😂😂😂.
Bro it doesn’t even getgets series s performance. In last gen games though it runs fine. But gets ps4 class visuals most of the time
Need bespoke merchandise. Can't find it on your website. Sad 😢
Probably yes, in a age where high end pcs can not get 30fps the Steamdeck is struggling
I’d be happy to pay more for a stronger switch 2. I don’t get this obsession with $299 price point. It’s not like you’re buying it every year. You buy the console once and you’ll have it indefinitely if you look after it. Would rather pay more upfront to have power that sees it through the years more.
Whatever happens i really hope that the Switch 2 never spins up as loud as my Steam Deck.
I bet they'll go for $359 or $369. Not quite $400.
Nintendo are just as concerned for size and weight of the console, temperature and noise it generates, and battery life. I really don’t see Nintendo aiming at a Steamdeck level power machine with all the caveats that come with it, let alone the price.
I thought somewhere Nintendo admitted a target of $399
If it keeps similar dimensions to the switch it's unlikely that the chip they put inside is gonna be able to run 100% of it's specified performance. Also there's no way it's $299.
449.00
I think it's quite clear by now that nintendo is not interested in power. They want to move games to as many people as possible and for as long as possible. 7 years on and their games still outsell most competition. Steam deck will need to be upgraded four times in 7 years or it will be a relic
It's gonna be $400 not $300.
This kinda looks like maybe we're shaping up for a handheld console showdown between Nintendo and Xbox. The issue for MS here will be that Nintendo has the software library to leverage whilst (yet again) XBox is trading only on hardware stats. We'll see :)
Xbox isn't competing with for anything they are completely incompetent and have already thrown in the towel
Considering how shitty the graphics are on every modern Nintendo console, Microsoft may have an edge on the software library through 3rd parties and the Game Pass.
The steam deck specs were already a year old when it came out 3 years ago. If a switch 2 that comes out in 2025 it will be with 5 year old specs. If nintendo release a console with 5 year old specs there will be an outrage
Switch was based on a 4 year old chipset when it came out, iirk.
The steam deck came out 2 years ago not 3
I'm more worried about the games!.. I don't wanna do another generation of ports. A Remaster of Breath of The Wild would be nice. We need F-Zero back , Starfox Online, a new Metroid, even some "light gun" games like the Wii had.
When Nintendo cared about things you want?
Nintendo should get Texas Instruments to build its chips and go with ARM or risc-v because, YEAH! =].
Why? Also RISC-V would almost definitely break backwards compatibility
@@twobitsnickTI can still fabricate their own chips and manufacture everything here in the U.S., so... cheaper? And Back-compat is just an emulation program, so no real problems there.
@@twobitsnickAlso, people have been playing Game Boy games on the Ti 85 for years. =].
It doesn't need to.
Can we please stop pretending people buy the Switch because "it's the best handheld around"?
People buy it because it the *current Nintendo system* , the place where you have your Zeldas and you Marios.
Is missing the point your job?
But that's the problem, cause other handhelds like the Asus ROG Ally & Steam Deck OLED perfectly display the capability of handheld gaming in the console microspace, that unfortunately Nintendo is rejecting with the current Switch, which is only gonna widen the disparity between it & the more competent handhelds that exist.
@@SussyBaka_irl my point is that that won't matter because the "Nintendo experience" is the selling point, not the hardware.
@@SussyBaka_irl I’d rather have more than 2 hours of battery life in modern aaa games though.something that the rog ally and deck oled can’t do, the switch 2 might be able to do it with some cuts,
The Wii U failed. People bought it because it was the best handheld at the time. Even now it's the only handheld console as all the others are PC handhelds or andorid based
$350, if Nintendo wants to stay competitive.
With more storage
That's the Switch OLED price, $400 is the floor.
With OLED
Nintendo hasn't lowered the price of current Switch hardware by very much. Switch games are still pricey. Competitive pricing isn't something Nintendo does anymore sadly.
@@Neoxon619 You think they will lower the price of the system later, with an OLED model? I have doubts.
I bet they will try charging at least 399 for the next switch and when no one buys them just like they did with the 3ds they will drop the price quick.
We know it won't be $299. It's not how they roll. By now they should have dropped the price off the Switch then they'd price the new console at $299. I'm sure they'll charge at least $50 more... Maybe up to $399.
I just want less input lag in my games and better wi-fi chip and built-in ethernet port. Smash suffered so much from all of these…
OLED Switch has Ethernet.
@@fcukugimmeausername Indeed.
Smash is more or less a software issue, 6 frames of lag in the LOCAL graphics pipeline, 4 frames of lag in the online that can't be disabled. Hacks like the HewDraw Remix have alleviated these issues.
I believe the Switch itself has 3 frames of graphics lag no matter what, which is .....okay-ish, playing like NES / SNES games on a 1ms refresh gaming monitor with a wired controller, which is actually how i play it.
@@Controllerhead Smash itself has more base input lag than it should, but many games on Switch have more than they should. For example, Wii U ports tend to have more latency on Switch than they did on Wii U.
Just the Switch home screen feels laggier than it should which is really odd. As you said there seems to be some system-wide lag going on.
2024 Dollar menu hamburger : $5
2024 Trailer in a trailer park: $400k
2025 Switch 2: $299 🤡🤡🤡
Yes and it'll be sold for $400-450
I don’t think it’ll be anywhere near a steam deck but Nintendo are wizards at producing magic with limited power
I don't people realise that the majority of don't even know what a Steam deck let alone want one, so these specs conversations are useless
If the Switch 2 launched with an LED screen, it would be embarrassing. You know they’ll eventually release an OLED model again, knowing consumers will double dip.
If Switch 2 can't perform better than a steam deck docked, I won't be touching it.
It will be at least 399
Considering the SoC will be even older at launch than the original Switch, it's only fair to sell it for 300. The current Switch should be 180 by now
thank your mr economist, nobody cares
@@diegofuentes425 nobody cares about cost?
"Considering the SoC will be even older at launch"
Eh says who, and even then it really just depends on the performance relative to phones and gaming consoles at that pricepoint. If it is 400 dollars and performs similarly to a steam deck then it is fine.
All I know is they need a device that works similarly as the Switch with an OLED screen that can play games in 1080p at 60fps in handheld mode. If they use a dock again, it needs to actually improve performance. Rather than a glorified HDMI cable it should improve cooling and allow at least 1440p output at 60FPS.
I get nintendo for exclusives. Idc the rest
I would not be shocked to see the Switch 2 release pushed to 2026.
I don't see that happening. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.
@@timg2727I disagree. The original Switch is still selling.
Why are new games so CPU-intensive?