Using a Nintendo Switch to emulate a Nintendo Switch game and getting a better performance than the real Nintendo Switch would get natively is just... WILD... Ouch...
@@TakiUdon yeah I know that this process is not going to have the same outcome for all switch games, of course mostly will certainly show the complete opposite since the Switch emulation is far from perfect. But it is indeed wild that there's so much optimizations already that for some games that's turn out to be the case. It's wild. 🤓 That's sounds promising for future preservation/replayability of Nintendo Switch games. I even thought that this dump could be used to create a non-official/clone "tradicional" TV-plugged game console that plays/emulate Nintendo Switch oficial cartridges... You don't need to dump if you can access your cartridges and play right there...
Minecraft isn't a very intensive game and my guess is that on the switch itself you run into memory bandwidth issues when playing natively. If you have a hacked switch and increase the memory clock it should run better than on emulator.
@@gharrison4301 First you can't rewrite switch games the chips they come with aren't rewritable. Second if someone could do that they would still have to replace the sticker on it and that's where the bad taste actually comes from. Not the plastic.
@@gharrison4301damn I didn’t even think of that. Can someone just erase the files with the dumper and just replace them with something else? Thats wild.
In the USA, It is 100% legal to dump games so long as you don’t distribute or sell copies of the game, Much like you can record or copy movies, Music and other media but can’t distribute it (DVR recordings, Music burning CDs ect)
@@worstperson2ask it was a settlement meaning they figured it was cheaper then court case, plus their mistake was making money off of it. Also i can’t remember if they included ripped ISOs from 3ds with emulator
@@worstperson2ask Yuzu did not lose anything. They did what small groups have no choice to do. Settle and run away. No one can afford the legal team needed to fight a company like nintendo. You literally cannot even attempt to fight without having the money up front because lawyers won't take a huge case like this for free. Nintendo is not changing the law, they are using the cost of litigation to quash rights.
Being able to plug it into my PC and just play the game like a Sudo cart reader instead of having to dump the game and transfer the files over is something I never thought about but could totally see doing that. Thanks for covering that part!
For me, my dumps would solely be for my own backup vault, especially how they are treating digital downloads now of days. I just want to backup all my digital games that I purchased and play them without the fear of Nintendo taking my play rights away.
@@Argonisgema I had to buy a game twice, because the physical copy would not allow the dlc to apply, so I had to spend another 50 bucks for a digital copy.
“It’s only gonna affect used games” wait until they find out about resealing. the minimum wage retail employees you’re returning the “unopened” copy to probably can’t tell. god help us all if a shady actor in the supply chain starts doing it…
@@peanutbutterdijonnaise I mean it’s not exactly an original or particularly clever idea. Someone else would have thought of it. At least as far as shady supply chain actors a very similar thing happened back in the 80s with arcade machines. They’d clone it with cheaper parts and not pay the company, then sell it to the next person for a profit, sometimes even at full price. So the whole cloning a game and selling it as new is not exactly unheard of and frankly shady supply chain actors can and have done far worse things.
Mark my words, we will start seeing heavily discounted "brand new" games for high profile releases online on amazon, ebay, and other sites only hours after the official release of these games. Even sooner if they can get their hands on a box pre-release, say through a game store connection.
@@jujijumanto be fair, a PC is drastically more powerful than a Switch. Pretty much every emulator game I’ve ever played ran better than it did on a console lol
As for the emulator version of the Switch running faster than the offical Nintendo hardware spec it's important to remember that the Tegra SOC can, and does, run at a higher frequency when used in other devices. Nintendo likely lowered clocks for battery life and temperature, and maybe yields but the Tegra SOC was already old be the Switch launch so that might not have any impact. Still Great Job on the Video! :)
this just blows my mind. Thank you taki for always giving the full story and being as legit as possible. Much respect to you sir. Truly you are a real one!
If accounts start getting banned, it might actually actually Nintendo's loss l as people will stop paying for Nintendo online subscriptions and simply go offline more.
I don't think that they have any right to ban consoles because a game bought on a second hand market. They'll need to swallow this one, or swallow the lawsuits coming their way that they'll lose.
This cartridge dump isn't Nintendo's fault though. And Nintendo doesn't sell used games, retailers and other third parties do. It is, for example, Gamestops fault for selling a fake, not Nintendo's.
Honestly, it's a bittersweet situation, but now people have to worry about getting banned because someone copied the game. You ask me, the game cards having. a unique identification code is kind of dumb. I get why they did it, but now it's just a headache for us gamers.
@@TerranigmaQuintet What if OG owner sold that game years ago, someone picks it up on second hand and dumps it, now original owner gets screwed and had no part in it.
The logic is to make dumped/bootleg games harder to be created. The easier analogy to this is the DS/3DS vs the switch. On the DS and 3ds, the certificate is linked directly to your console, making possible to play online without worrying about ban and making the flashcard market a huge thing on the (3)DS era (that's also why Nintendo started to transform all their firmware on updatable ones)
Can we all admit that Nintendo wants you to not trust the 2nd hand market... so its actually a win for Nintendo not to deal with this appropriately and just give a middle finger to anyone who bought 2nd hand.
That’s a good point, I think Nintendo should still keep an eye for it. But I believe that no matter what they may go to an “ authenticity check” for all games so you’ll ALWAYS have to be connected to WiFi. Kind of like a key check/registration for windows on pc
The difference being if you don't pass that check, Nintendo will outright ban either your cartridge or your console. Windows just gives you the watermark of shame. Your OS will even still update normally. You just can't change your desktop background. @@rjmendoza
I support pirating for the sole fact that Nintendo no longer cares about preserving fan favorites and/or making certain games more essily accessible. However i do see the huge potential problem that can be caused by people carelessly dumping files. Man just cant ever win
Emulation is the future when digital games get taken away forcefully and physical discs and carts rot away. You're a legend :) Thanks for sharing all your information.
Emulation will always be part of the future for more reasons that just things being taken away. Even if a publisher wants to make something available, there may be nothing to play it on. This is where emulation comes in... the ability to run the code your game, project, product, or other functionally.
I'm increasingly of the opinion that open-source is the only way to ever play games. If there's no source code for the platform the game runs on (including hardware, firmware, OS, etc), the game may as well not exist. Because the original platform only lasts a short time, and the entire rest of history requires emulators to convert the game's original code into something modern hardware can run. A rom + emulator is the _only_ reliable, future-proofed way to play.
Carts don't really rot away though. People still have working Atari and Nintendo cartridges from the 1970s and 80s that still work to this day and technology for media storage has significantly approved so carts today will last even longer. I'd venture to say that your Switch cart is more likely to outlast the MIG cart.
@@Cyko..I have an Atari 2600 and a sizable library of cartridges, but they're not playable any more. Nobody makes compatible TVs any more, the joysticks were barely usable even when new, and even if it's still possible to play, it's incredibly impractical. An emulator, however, is free, convenient, and gives a better experience than the original.
@@ToyKeeper I have 87 Atari 2600 cartridges, most not in boxes any more. All still work to this day. But it is a lot easier to carry around a microSD than all these cartridges. 😅
Thanks taki, no one usually touches these topics, let alone the way you do. Good and bad aside I'm just happy to be informed x.x imagine if no one brought this up, and no one knew about these, except the scalpers..... Edit: that's the most likes I ever got 😭 thanks guys~~~
We may even see new handheld ‘case’ which can fit or have the mig card dumper / reader embedded in the case, essentially allowing the non switch handheld to play switch games just by using the card reader without dumping / cloning it into sd card
@@Efri3ndCloned, essentially. If Nintendo detects two instances of the same game, with the same identifier code, running on two different consoles at the same time, you will get banned.
I think Nintendo might be in some legal trouble if they start banning people for using cartridges that where bought legally from the used market. Unless they can differentiate between a game running on the mig switch and one running from a legit cartridge I don’t think there is much they can do legally. That doesn’t mean they won’t try but I don’t think it would be legal for them to do so. Hopefully they get hit with a class action lawsuit if they do start banning people for using legitimately purchased used games
I wouldn't be surprised I've heard that the us government sued apple because of its business practices and I hope that happens to companies like Nintendo and Disney
Nintendo has been pretty insulated from class actions so far, because all switch owners must agree to arbitration before using the hardware. It's why they were never successfully sued for the ongoing JoyCon debacle.
@nathanmiller1456 In many countries that caveat is meaningless. Many countries have introduced legislation to protect citizens from this kind restrictions of their rights.
Legally its not their responsibility to ensure you were not ripped off from a third party. That is not a legitimately purchased game, its not a real product. If you made that legal, then mass producing and selling stolen titles would be legal. How does that make any sense? Should it be their fault you bought a stolen game aftermarket from some guy with no previous sales?
PSA for those unaware: Dumping your owned games is not illegal, just downloading games you don't own. It's a means of preserving the software you purchased legally for long-term use, and that's totally fair game. Just don't distribute your ROMs online after dumping.
Your story about Minecraft running better inside Yuzu NCE on the Switch which runs Linux rather than running the game native is the most insane part about this, actually. I'd still love to get hands on one of these and if I was just to use double sided tape with my Steam Deck to use it with.
I only play Switch emulated on my PC and pretty much everything runs better than the console... I had no idea that running something like Ryujinx or Yuzu on a hacked switch actually gives better performance than the native console. That's pretty embarrassing lol.
@@BlamingBuddha It does but NCE builds of emulators do just what the shortcut stands for, execute code natively on the SoC. There is no need for the emulator to do anything here other to run the game since the hard- and software (games in this case) are optimised even for hacked Switch systems. Fun fact, the PSP can emulate Nintendo 64 as good as it can (which is still flawed but impressive) because both systems share the same MIPS architecture.
Stop repeating this shit, whoever used the game with the sole purpose of dumping it will obviously never go online cause he would get banned instantly.
@@b4n4n0 Do you realized that a user with a stock Switch with that returned cartridge can be banned too without knowing that his cartridge has been cloned beforehand and used online? Because Nintendo cannot know which user has the legit cartridge.
Well there was no need with 3ds considering how easy it is to hack as for the switch maybe once switch 2 is released hacker might be willing to release exploits
A lot of those guys are caught in the hype and the excitement. That this development will make the "Switch 2" or whatever Nintendo's next product will be called a digital-only device with no SD card slot and no USB charging port hasn't occurred to them yet.
@@michelvanbriemen3459and then Nintendo is surprised why "Switch 2" isnt selling well there's got to be a middle ground here again this isnt the "first" time this has been done and Nintendo still exists to this day I mean they already did this as far back as NES just without the much needed sophistication
@@lesslighter I actually really hope this happens. It's super unlikely that Switch 2 will be a flop, but it would be great. Maybe that would give Nintendo a hint that they can't just continue to produce garbage products if they want to keep their customers.
Edit: more on topic, what I take from this video, is that emulating your games is now preferable to playing them on Nintendo hardware, not only because they'll run better but you also won't get banned by Nintendo just for losing the used game lottery. If it was possible, I'd give a second thumbs up for actually demo-ing this on a Switch. Nice.
Switch games have run better on PCs for a while now. And recently, other handhelds have been able to run Switch games better than official hardware. The Switch is so cracked at this point that I'm honestly surprised Nintendo didn't release Switch 2 years ago, just to update the security.
You can also play them on your phone with decent performance (botw at 15fps which certainly isnt great but anything lighter runs perfectly fine). And its only getting better hardware and software wise. While your switch is stagnating.
@@nathanmiller1456is the jailbreak available for all versions now I have a slightly older one and the OLED the older one has all my good data and it's so annoying that Nintendo won't let save data be transfered to storage or PC when not every game supports their stupid cloud save the only way to move save data.
i mean, not really? if you can emulate a switch game then the only point of using a switch is to play online, which is a thing emulators can't do *at all*
@@aprilnya Why are you saying emulators can't play online _at_ _all_ ? When I used Yuzu a long while back it supported online play, I believe it needed you to provide your Switch's certificate or something like that. There was a warning that they were not responsible if you get banned. I never actually tried that, maybe the feature wasn't even implemented, not sure.
Many EE students are able to make an Arm single board computer running linux, like raspberry pi. with this tool, now it is possible to homebrew a new switch-compitable handheld that runs most of the switch games.
Did you misunderstand the video? You can no longer buy used games either! If you buy a used game, it might not work once the dumped clone goes live! Nintendo will ban you.
wow, one of the best informative videos I saw in youtube. now I'm afraid to buy used games, I'm sure this will be a problem in Mexico. thanks for publishing this!
But that's only FROM NOW... If you've been doing that UP TILL NOW, you've just been wasting money... Not protecting yourself... So this doesn't work at all to "make you feel better"...
Thank god, I have like 20+ loose Game Cards just jostling around my official Switch case because I believe in physical game preservation. Hopefully this could help with the middle-ground to legally backup my games so I can keep them at home.
Your game cards aren’t going to go faulty anytime soon. Many people have old Atari and Nintendo cartridges that still work to this day and technology has vastly improved since then.
@@Cyko..i like your optimism! 3DS games are on cards, yet there is a bad president pushed by Nintendo that causes these games to die if they are not used. This was a fairly big deal about 6 weeks ago. Then there were lower quality prints of the late console releases like "Persona Q" which somehow die faster than average. While DS games are written to a good memory type, 3DS AND Switch games are going to die sooner than NES carts because Nintendo went with a cheaper memory storage format. I'm sure this isn't the best explanation of the problem, but look up dying 3DS games. Of my personal collection of 81 physical 3DS games, three are dead currently. Two are games that I never played and are more than 5 years old bought on clearance after the switch came out and replaced the 3DS (Rip Yokai Watch 2: FS & Ever Oasis). The other one that died was an older game that I didn't care for that much, and only played it through it for 90 hours and then put it on the shelf and never touched it again (Bravely Default). Thankfully my copy of Persona Q still works... For now.
Another variable to put out there. Key generators creating randomized game ID files (the file that is being referenced). Now IDK how these files are validated or if modifying it messes with a hash, but I can see That becoming an issue as that would mean that even a Sealed / New game would be at risk. This would probably force NOA to change how they copyright carts though, so maybe it's a good thing? Who knows. The other thing that came to mind is that (save my first example) people would now need to 'taste test' for the bitterant that's added to the carts (for safety by NOA) to see if it's legit.
As somebody who worked in a Target/Walmart if we get games returned we just send them back or recycle them. They don't go back on the shelf if they've been opened. I can see a bunch of people buying a brand new game dumping it and then returning it then it gets recycled or return to Nintendo.
yeah someone else already said this but as long as this doesnt mess with their regular customer base too much (i.e. regular switch owners who think they've bought a normal game) nintendo will basically not care. They'll say "you should've bought an official sealed copy of the game."
Disagree. Nintendo has a long history of being bullies against ANYONE who goes against their TOS. They do care and will be super aggressive in how they respond. Nintendo has pursued legal actions against people (not just companies) who torrented 30+ year old games. These are games that have not been sold for decades and have no lost revenue since Nintendo will not sell you the product for any amount of money. “We own it and you shouldn’t have it if you can’t buy it from us so be damned if you try.” ~Nintendo.
@@MrYodaBomb You're misunderstanding my stance a little bit. What I'm getting at is that Nintendo doesn't really pay much attention to what happens with their products once they hit the secondary market. So, if you buy a used Switch game and it turns out its unique credentials have been compromised, don't expect Nintendo to step in and sort it out. Because Japanese companies are super boomerish you're not seen as a direct customer. Why? Because your purchase didn't put money in their pocket directly. So any problems that come with buying second-hand, in their view, aren't really their problem since the transaction didn't happen directly through them. What I'm NOT saying is that Nintendo would not take legal action against the creators of the MIG Switch. They very well could. My main point is about the support-or lack thereof-for customers buying second-hand. Unless issues with second-hand Switch game files become a widespread problem that garners significant public attention, like the Joycon drift situation did, Nintendo likely won't go out of their way to help those affected.
@@Visethelegend I don't disagree about the possibility of that but I find it unlikely that would happen on a huge enough scale to it to affect a lot of customers.
I guess one downside is I don't think you could dump updates or dlc this way. But it'd be nice to have a solution for that without modding my switch, I just want to play some of my single player games emulated with some of the benefits that come with that, but it seems like that's going to still require modding my console.
As far as the banning issue - that is just pure speculation at this point. We don't know if simply having two people online with the same certificate immediately triggers a ban. Maybe it could be like 10+ people sharing it is what triggers it, as would be the case if only one copy of the game was pirated and shared online with everyone else. I think people should not panic until we actually start seeing reports of this happening. Like it would be very easy to see dozens of devices sharing one certificate and then Nintendo realizing it's pirated so that certificate can be blacklisted. But sharing a cartridge with 1-2 friends is a completely legitimate thing and they wouldn't be issuing a ban for that. As far as the device being cheaply cloned to produce counterfeit cartridges, that remains to be seen as well. It's not just putting the chips on a board that makes the device work. You'd have to somehow extract their keys from the FPGA and it isn't really apparent how you can do that.
If you're sharing a cart with friends, only one instance of that cert is online at any particular time because it's not physically in multiple switch devices at the same time. If there's two devices online at the same time with the same certificate from a single physical cart, one of them is a copy. Them having a policy of not banning until they see some number like 10 copies of a cert online at the same time would be implicitly supporting piracy, and we know they're not going to do that. We will have to see how they act when this happens, but given their aggressively litigious history with people without enough money to defend themselves in court, it isn't going to be a system mesaage saying "gosh that's naughty, can you please not do that."
@@SkateSoupDoes these bans only effect games that have online components? What if I do not play any of those, but only play single player offline games on my switch?
@JosephHarry nobody knows at this point but it may be possible to pull info including the inserted card certificate to their servers if your switch itself is online regardless of whether the game has online features. That's a total guess based on general knowledge of backend IT architecture, no idea how their environment is set up, we have to see when whatever they're going to do about it happens.
Say you were someone who dumps games and returns them. If you exclusively play your game dumps with your switch in airplane mode, then the risk of bans (for you AND whoever bought your secondhand cart) is zero. @@JosephHarry
Oh sweet summer child. I literally purchased a 'sealed' copy of Splatoon 2 (few weeks after release) from Amazon (as a vendor in&to) Germany and it was sealed, but w/o a faint watermark and in another type of foil as my room was dimly lit. Being in a hurry; missed no cartridge rattling was present. I only noticed after starting to unwrap that there wasn't any game inside (nothing in its stead too). At least Amazon customer service sent me an actual authentic version free of charge just days later after minutes conversing with their customer service. For the doubters: consider that Amazon actually accepts sealed returns with a high level of trust. It's totally possible some automation didn't spot that missing cartridge rattle or weight and put it back on shelve.
@@RuliManurungDon’t need to use a switch anymore if you have physical cartridges. Normally to play on PC you would need to dump the files first from a switch and then transfer them to your PC to emulate them. That could take a while and was a little annoying. Now you can just plug the reader in, pop in whatever game you want, and immediately play. Basically this is adding a switch cartridge port to your PC.
The only downside I see is that the save game is not saved on the cartridge. It would be so nice if you could just continue your process like the way the 3ds cartridges worked
EDIT: Wrote this before finishing watching and hearing the same considerations 😀 Interesting... but I personally believe Nintendo will not do anything this time around! Think about it... the MIG-Switch poses a risk ONLY when buying used copies, which are already lost revenue for the big N. On the contrary, because of such risk, if you want to make sure you can fully enjoy the game, you're left with only 1 option: buy a cealed, unused copy! Nintendo is already counting the potential increase in revenue because of this 😀
Imagine it gets to a point where the easiest way to see if your game is legit or counterfeit is by licking the bottom of it to see if it’s bitter like official carts💀💀💀
We're not talking about physical counterfeits here though. We're talking about cloning genuine games and then passing them off to someone else who doesn't know they've been cloned. In this case the cartridge is always genuine, it's all the digital clones that've been generated that aren't.
@@turbochargedfilms I'm personally so sensitive to bitter taste, that it totally spoils eating certain food (e.g. grapefruit) for me. I doubt I could taste a difference unless in intensity.
The ability to play a cartridge in "he who shall not be named" directly similarly to the GB Operator, I wonder if you would be risking your cartridge by playing on "he who shall not be named".
So instead of buying a switch and modding it so that I could dump physical games to get a better experience emulation on PC. I can now just connect the dumper and play my physical games directly on PC. Nintendo Should take my advice: Make official emulators for switch and older consoles. The emulators would require a $4.99/monthly subscription and will require a Nintendo account. Sell USB-C Game Cartridge Readers for physical games. Make one adapter for GB/GBC/GBA, DS/3DS, Switch, NES, SNES, N64, GameCube/Wii, WiiU. This way people would need to buy a bunch of adapters. Allow backing up of physical games but encrypt all backups to the users Nintendo account. Make online play and DLC available. Nintendo won't have an official emulator or adapters for current gen hardware. Whenever they launch their next console. Also having a 5 Year period from launch day of a console until they release the emulator/adapters. This would lead to: A boom in sales of physical games both new and used. A boom in sales of official nintendo accesories such as the Pro controller and others. A boom in sales of adapters. A boom in revenue coming from subscriptions. A boost in popularity among consumers.
Doesn't help if you want to play online at all. now I have to go pay the full brand new price since nintendo doesnt mark down years old games like BOTW and MK8DX. Makes sense for any game you dont care about online for though.
When buying a used game you could ask to run the files of the Copy of the game you are buying from the previous owner to verify that it still has the certificate and hasn’t been dumped.
It probably will. The hardware is probably more or less finalised by now, so I'd be surprised if they drop it before the next system launches. Perhaps in a revision, as the Xbox revisions are allegedly going to do (as opposed to only the Series S being digital-only right now), but I doubt it'll be dropped from the very next system.
I think they need a slot. Too many parents and grandparents buy games for their kids as presents. I exclusively buy physical for my kids so they aren't tied to my online account and can play on their own switches at the same time.
Man how many people are going to buy one of these, dump all their physical games, then sell them used. I buy a lot of used games so I really hope that it doesn’t become a problem. It really sucks to feel at the mercy of Nintendo.
Great job Taki. Was told that there is a PC companion app that should be coming out soon to work with this. How true? Idk but it makes sense. Also I noticed the MIG switch flashcart performed slower than the standard switch cart when in OFW. This may be used by Nintendo to determine who is running an official game vs a MIG switch. Tested on multiple consoles with the same result. Smh
on 8:12 the 20022A is a DC/DC converter (likely for the usb5v to the controller 3.3v)... the GL823K is an USB 2.0 SD/MSPRO Card Reader Controller. this says to your pc/device: i am a cardreader...
@@moafwaz5563 I am sure the ban will happen when two switches with the same cart ID play/go online at the same time, which would be physically imppossible, not just when multiple switches play the same cart at different times.
If you're not playing at the same time, it shouldn't be a problem. If you're using something like the MIG cart, then that's piracy. You don't get to buy one copy of the game and then duplicate it for the rest of your family. No products work like that.
I was following waht you were saying until the Minecraft comparison. The first "comparison" clip was at night in a river in a valley, where there was almost no draw distance. The second was in the middle of the day on an open ocean, while wearing fully enchanted gear to go faster. It's not a good faith comparison at all
your allowed to make copies of software and media you OWN. this has already be fought in courts like by VHS who got upset about people copying tapes or recording TV. only time it becomes illegal is if you sell the copies
Stealing this comment from another video, but "We live in a society, where everyone tries to install Linux on everything. Once we've reached this goal, we will transcend as a species."
If Nintendo bans physical carts or the people's accounts/systems they THINK are using a cart that someone else cloned previously... that is way more than enough reason to just not buy anything and p*rate it all. Why on earth would anyone pay their hard earned money to buy a companies products when there's a huge risk of having it all revoked without compensation through no fault of your own? And the only alternative is to only buy new copies, which isn't possible because of lack of or ending of production, scalpers, etc... It very obviously makes sense just to mod and emulate it all for free and never put your funds at risk at the hands of an obviously malicious corporation that wont protect you or treat you well even if you legitimately buy their products. Why play fair when they are outright telling you they are going to scam you from the start?
Its easy, if two of the same ID instances go online, they ban the first, as its almost certain its the original dumper of said game that resold the game.
@@TerranigmaQuintetthere's literally no reason to assume the first owner would be the one who ripped the game. What you're saying makes no sense and would actually make people worried about buying games new.
@@skurasch Or rather they'd be worried selling their games in case someone down the roads dumps it and Nintendo bans original owner who had nothing to do with it...
Taki I am terrified because I buy used too and want them from the Japanese market. This is not always for the expected reason but aside from Nintendo, Capcom and EnixSquare most others don't have Japanese text options unless it is from Japan. This goes for Atlus, Idea Factory, Tecmo, Falcom and a number of others.
Was wondering this as well, only question i have is if that other switch could still go online but he did not specify if this only works with a modded switch?
This whole concept seems a bit like fear mongering to me. With ripping and returning/reselling, you can really only do something like that once per game. It's very late in the switch's lifecycle and I think most people already have most of the games they would ever buy for the system. The biggest problem would be people ripping their whole library and then selling the physical copies online. But I don't think that's going to be a lot of people, and that issue is nothing new. Considering full blown piracy is much easier, I don't think this will actually change anything to a notable degree. I think if anything, people will use this for emulation "without piracy." I used quotes because the legality of ripping your own games is unfortunately murky.
There's also effectively no way to profit doing this, you're just going to break even unless you do an out of print game like Mario 3D All-stars. Which again, why wouldn't people just pirate games then, it's much easier.
Just imagine if Nintendo offered a deluxe subscription service featuring an official, fully-supported emulator alongside a product like this. I'd be a subscriber for life, hands down.
Is there any way to play the classic pokemon games on switch just using a cartridge? can you copy the rom file to a cartridge with this MIG and just play it?
Now you’re right just now makes the second hand market for people that are selling switch games used switch games specially on eBay or getting used. Switch games from potentially a store. Of people cloning authentic switch games.
Wouldn't the simple solution here be to tie certificates to accounts? In order to sell/buy used you can authenticate who the owner is and transfer through a UI. It's simple, but there's always politics involved to complicate things
The simple solution is to not pirate a game. Nintendo didn't predicted this type of hack. The easiest way to share a cartridge game is share a cartridge game. Attach certificates to accounts sounds like digital copies not phisical ones.
@@EdyStauch/videos Except that doesn't solve the problem because if someone dumps the game, then sells or returns the cartridge, and someone else gets hold of the cartridge, you now have two copies (or more) that could potentially be online at the same time. Do you really think scammers and counterfeiters care about piracy? The worst part is that consumers are so stupid that they'll openly embrace counterfeits (just look at older Pokemon games as a great albeit sad example).
@@EdyStauch You're a fool if you think nintendo didn't see this coming. It's a cartridge based game. Anyone who's been around long enough saw this coming before the switch launched.
It is 100% legal to backup for your own use. This is why people should NEVER buy DRM music, or any other media. By the CD/DVD, it's usually less money, and no DRM. You are free to watch and listen to YOUR media wherever, whenever you want. Would you buy anything else with these restrictions? A car that you're only allowed to drive to work? Why do people allow themselves to be controlled with something they paid for? You are NOT renting or leasing it, but that's where it's heading. NEVER, EVER buy software under a subscription. You are not buying it, and you do not own it. It's all 100% a scam, and costs much more money. Pretty soon you will own nothing, and be happy. smh...
Sure, it's legal. But would you copy your car only to then sell the original and still have a car you can use and basically duplicating it without paying the rightful owner? As always, it's HOW you use the damn thing. Own use? Fair. Selling the original? Welp... get rid of that copy or you're basically scamming the company.
@@heres_the_sauce I'm thinking the same dude, from my research most of the stuff runs as good if not better. Selling all my Switch products to fund a Deck
I have a Steam Deck already plus some switch games, but no Switch hardware. I wonder if I could I buy this and forfeit buying the switch console entirely? The only thing holding it back, is that would I still need a Switch Bios? And I wouldn't be able to get a Switch Bios or keys without the Switch right?
I'm guessing that if at some point, someone figures out how to build a certificate generator, it will be over from Nintendo's side because with all the different physical retailers world wide, they can't find out who is using a clone and who's not.... They'll know for games bought through their shop only. That's probably a future incentive why these big companies don't want physical copies anymore. They want to decide what you own...
theyre probably just not going to ban people for duplicate carts since the switch is nearing EOL. So the Switch 2 will probably do away with physical media or at least fix this issue.
@@qactustickwhat are they gonna do? Potentially piss of thousands to tens of thousands of parents who's kids just got their switch accounts wrongfully banned cause they had the audacity to purchase a game used and save a couple bucks. I'd love to see the antitrust case that'd come from that lol
@@apex8304 It wouldn't be about how the game was obtained, it'd be about seeing a supposedly unique identifier appear more than once on their servers, which they almost certainly have set up to detect automatically so they don't even have to search for it. Now, it probably won't lead to any problems on the user side if those identifiers are online at different times, but if they're ever online simultaneously I can see that definitely tripping a red flag on Nintendo's end and causing most likely both/all instances of that identifier being banned.
I think you need to understand what EOL means just because the switch 2 is looming large in the horizon. Does it mean the current switch is EOL as the current switch will still be supported obviously with games but it will still be supported for a few more years, EOL means that all support is ceased which won’t be the case with the current switch.
Very well done video. I think the only option Nintendo will have is to make people register games. If you want to sell the game, you will have to unregister it from your account. They will have to be upfront with this, and then if duplicate certs are detected then both and subsequent identical certs will be shutdown. A process of registration could open that game back up to you if you can prove you own the cartridge.
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You are asking for a takedown by putting their official trademark on your thumbnail.
Lol the more your prompted the more likely your eliminated
Hey taki, was was the os? I can tell linux running gnome, but it looks suprisingly clean running on a switch oled
Downloading this video rn.
Using a Nintendo Switch to emulate a Nintendo Switch game and getting a better performance than the real Nintendo Switch would get natively is just... WILD... Ouch...
A jailbroken Switch doing better than stock switch, where optimizations go a long way.
Kind of dumb, and I found that example by accident. If I used another Switch game for that section, I would not have found that out.
@@TakiUdon yeah I know that this process is not going to have the same outcome for all switch games, of course mostly will certainly show the complete opposite since the Switch emulation is far from perfect. But it is indeed wild that there's so much optimizations already that for some games that's turn out to be the case. It's wild. 🤓 That's sounds promising for future preservation/replayability of Nintendo Switch games. I even thought that this dump could be used to create a non-official/clone "tradicional" TV-plugged game console that plays/emulate Nintendo Switch oficial cartridges... You don't need to dump if you can access your cartridges and play right there...
Is there a reason specific to Minecraft that emulation is somehow more optimal than stock? How would we know which other games this would apply to?
Minecraft isn't a very intensive game and my guess is that on the switch itself you run into memory bandwidth issues when playing natively. If you have a hacked switch and increase the memory clock it should run better than on emulator.
The best way to test a Switch cartridge for legitimacy will be to taste it
tastes like ina’s hair
Unless the person pirating uses a legitimate Switch cart. e.g. buy the cheapest game you can, erase it, then copy expensive/rare game to it.
@@gharrison4301 First you can't rewrite switch games the chips they come with aren't rewritable. Second if someone could do that they would still have to replace the sticker on it and that's where the bad taste actually comes from. Not the plastic.
@@gharrison4301damn I didn’t even think of that. Can someone just erase the files with the dumper and just replace them with something else? Thats wild.
Inb4 bootleg Chinese-made cartridges poison those that actually did so. What a wild concept. 😆
In the USA, It is 100% legal to dump games so long as you don’t distribute or sell copies of the game,
Much like you can record or copy movies, Music and other media but can’t distribute it (DVR recordings, Music burning CDs ect)
it is legal yet yuzu lost the case
@@worstperson2ask it was a settlement meaning they figured it was cheaper then court case, plus their mistake was making money off of it. Also i can’t remember if they included ripped ISOs from 3ds with emulator
Yes, but breaking the DRM if it exists on any of those media is illegal. So for some media it’s essentially illegal.
@@worstperson2ask Yuzu did not lose anything. They did what small groups have no choice to do. Settle and run away. No one can afford the legal team needed to fight a company like nintendo. You literally cannot even attempt to fight without having the money up front because lawyers won't take a huge case like this for free.
Nintendo is not changing the law, they are using the cost of litigation to quash rights.
@@worstperson2ask Yuzu wasn't dumping or enabling dumping, they were emulating the hardware, huge difference.
Nintendo 100% does not care about the used market. My prediction is they are just going to tell people to buy the game new or digitally.
If a game gets dumped, returned and bought again on Amazon how are they going to deal with that?
@@santorfoYou can't typically return games which are used. But I could see valuable games being dumped and resold.
@@santorfo Best case scenario: the certificate is banned. Worst case scenario: The Switch of whoever bought it is banned.
@@Majeedz93I don't believe you need a switch to dump it tho just connect to a PC or another handhed console
@@Ayu91625you’re able to do that in the states too, Amazon will take it back zero questions asked if it’s within a couple days of arriving
RIP Taki. Nintendo just confirmed he accidentally slipped onto a katana 25 times. Very sed. 😢
Noooo... Rip 🙏 😞 bro...
idk who is that
@@iRaven-_- The one who made this video...😞
@@eliv.1033 omg are u serious? 😥
@@iRaven-_- according to DarkShrek000😞
Dude pretty much said "we already angered the hornets, so we might as well kick the nest", and I friggin love it😂
One does not simply poke the bear, you hit it with a shovel and THEN you get to work on it.
And yet nothing happened...
@@joeyrhorror Cause its a big ass bear 🐻 & it didn't even feel the hit to the head with the shovel. 😂😂😂
Being able to plug it into my PC and just play the game like a Sudo cart reader instead of having to dump the game and transfer the files over is something I never thought about but could totally see doing that. Thanks for covering that part!
Yea, some of the games are good. It is the hardware that is overpriced dogshit. If I did not already have an LED switch, I would grab one of these.
And, it's completely legal too since you already own the cart! (at least in some areas anyways)
For me, my dumps would solely be for my own backup vault, especially how they are treating digital downloads now of days. I just want to backup all my digital games that I purchased and play them without the fear of Nintendo taking my play rights away.
I'm kind of wodering how dlc will be treated.
@@Argonisgemathe same, look up Vita system…
@@Argonisgema I had to buy a game twice, because the physical copy would not allow the dlc to apply,
so I had to spend another 50 bucks for a digital copy.
@@Skelterbane69different region game?
Has never happened and will never happen lol
Very informative, Nintendo shouldn’t take this down as it was educational to avoid known problems in the market. Very well done video.
Goodbye Gamestop.
“It’s only gonna affect used games”
wait until they find out about resealing. the minimum wage retail employees you’re returning the “unopened” copy to probably can’t tell.
god help us all if a shady actor in the supply chain starts doing it…
Well good job giving potential shady actors “ideas”
@@peanutbutterdijonnaise I mean it’s not exactly an original or particularly clever idea. Someone else would have thought of it. At least as far as shady supply chain actors a very similar thing happened back in the 80s with arcade machines. They’d clone it with cheaper parts and not pay the company, then sell it to the next person for a profit, sometimes even at full price. So the whole cloning a game and selling it as new is not exactly unheard of and frankly shady supply chain actors can and have done far worse things.
Mark my words, we will start seeing heavily discounted "brand new" games for high profile releases online on amazon, ebay, and other sites only hours after the official release of these games. Even sooner if they can get their hands on a box pre-release, say through a game store connection.
This is scary now now you can get banned
You must be thinking that only idk 1k leople in live on the earth :0@@peanutbutterdijonnaise
That bit about running better on an emulator on the device you're emulating was just Icing on top lol😂
i had metroid dread on my pc and it ran better than it did on the switch😭
@@jujijumanto be fair, a PC is drastically more powerful than a Switch. Pretty much every emulator game I’ve ever played ran better than it did on a console lol
Nintendo would ban this video just for THAT reason alone (although they'll never admit to it).
@@razrv3lcespecially mine 😂
@@razrv3lc ime, that's only been true for the switch. most emulators break the game pretty bad and are bad in their own ways
As for the emulator version of the Switch running faster than the offical Nintendo hardware spec it's important to remember that the Tegra SOC can, and does, run at a higher frequency when used in other devices. Nintendo likely lowered clocks for battery life and temperature, and maybe yields but the Tegra SOC was already old be the Switch launch so that might not have any impact. Still Great Job on the Video! :)
Yeah, I thought something similar to that must be going on when I heard that.
Another problem may be the read speed. The USB C device may have faster reading speeds, hence the textures loading faster in the emulator.
this just blows my mind. Thank you taki for always giving the full story and being as legit as possible. Much respect to you sir. Truly you are a real one!
Nintendo will love this. "Oh, you got burned buying used games? Tough luck. Buy them full price from us or not at all."
If accounts start getting banned, it might actually actually Nintendo's loss l as people will stop paying for Nintendo online subscriptions and simply go offline more.
I don't think that they have any right to ban consoles because a game bought on a second hand market. They'll need to swallow this one, or swallow the lawsuits coming their way that they'll lose.
I think they will get sued by EU consumer watchdogs if they do this, and they will lose.
This cartridge dump isn't Nintendo's fault though. And Nintendo doesn't sell used games, retailers and other third parties do. It is, for example, Gamestops fault for selling a fake, not Nintendo's.
@@nathans8178 that won't fly in court if they start blocking second hand games on mass. Counterfeits sure, but legit games no.
Just an excuse for Nintendo to stop selling physical copies, dear god I hope not
2/3 of my game library is game cards imported from JP/Asia because most Switch Games are already not available in a physical copy in the US.
Lol it's not going to stop them they will find ways around it.
@MrJuicymushrooms Don't give them ideas.
While all my games are digital/secondary because it's cheaper
Not really. Why? You’re coming to the wrong conclusion because the performance isn’t better on their digital files
Honestly, it's a bittersweet situation, but now people have to worry about getting banned because someone copied the game. You ask me, the game cards having. a unique identification code is kind of dumb. I get why they did it, but now it's just a headache for us gamers.
Just ban the first owner of the ID that duplicated.
@@TerranigmaQuintet What if OG owner sold that game years ago, someone picks it up on second hand and dumps it, now original owner gets screwed and had no part in it.
@@TerranigmaQuintet Who says the first owner is the one who dumped it?
But isnt everything fine if they never go online tho?
The logic is to make dumped/bootleg games harder to be created. The easier analogy to this is the DS/3DS vs the switch. On the DS and 3ds, the certificate is linked directly to your console, making possible to play online without worrying about ban and making the flashcard market a huge thing on the (3)DS era (that's also why Nintendo started to transform all their firmware on updatable ones)
Can we all admit that Nintendo wants you to not trust the 2nd hand market... so its actually a win for Nintendo not to deal with this appropriately and just give a middle finger to anyone who bought 2nd hand.
That’s a good point, I think Nintendo should still keep an eye for it. But I believe that no matter what they may go to an “ authenticity check” for all games so you’ll ALWAYS have to be connected to WiFi. Kind of like a key check/registration for windows on pc
but if they treat customers that way, I know I will stop buying anything from them and just pirate it all.
@xamindar and this why they are trying do hard to make their stuff unpiratable.
@@littlefreak3000good. Only makes every cause against them that much more legitimate, and every victory against their tyranny that much sweeter.
The difference being if you don't pass that check, Nintendo will outright ban either your cartridge or your console. Windows just gives you the watermark of shame. Your OS will even still update normally. You just can't change your desktop background. @@rjmendoza
I support pirating for the sole fact that Nintendo no longer cares about preserving fan favorites and/or making certain games more essily accessible. However i do see the huge potential problem that can be caused by people carelessly dumping files. Man just cant ever win
I can finally dump my own games without a hacked switch.
surely
Lol
Or more hilariously. You can play your physical switch games on PC, lol
This is significantly easier than doing this on a modded switch
@@thatanonwholurksmoar7386 RIP Yuzu
Emulation is the future when digital games get taken away forcefully and physical discs and carts rot away. You're a legend :) Thanks for sharing all your information.
Emulation will always be part of the future for more reasons that just things being taken away. Even if a publisher wants to make something available, there may be nothing to play it on. This is where emulation comes in... the ability to run the code your game, project, product, or other functionally.
I'm increasingly of the opinion that open-source is the only way to ever play games. If there's no source code for the platform the game runs on (including hardware, firmware, OS, etc), the game may as well not exist. Because the original platform only lasts a short time, and the entire rest of history requires emulators to convert the game's original code into something modern hardware can run. A rom + emulator is the _only_ reliable, future-proofed way to play.
Carts don't really rot away though. People still have working Atari and Nintendo cartridges from the 1970s and 80s that still work to this day and technology for media storage has significantly approved so carts today will last even longer. I'd venture to say that your Switch cart is more likely to outlast the MIG cart.
@@Cyko..I have an Atari 2600 and a sizable library of cartridges, but they're not playable any more. Nobody makes compatible TVs any more, the joysticks were barely usable even when new, and even if it's still possible to play, it's incredibly impractical. An emulator, however, is free, convenient, and gives a better experience than the original.
@@ToyKeeper I have 87 Atari 2600 cartridges, most not in boxes any more. All still work to this day. But it is a lot easier to carry around a microSD than all these cartridges. 😅
bro hasnt uploaded in 4 weeks they actually got him
Thanks taki, no one usually touches these topics, let alone the way you do. Good and bad aside I'm just happy to be informed x.x imagine if no one brought this up, and no one knew about these, except the scalpers.....
Edit: that's the most likes I ever got 😭 thanks guys~~~
We may even see new handheld ‘case’ which can fit or have the mig card dumper / reader embedded in the case, essentially allowing the non switch handheld to play switch games just by using the card reader without dumping / cloning it into sd card
wow that crazy chinese clone of nintendo switch on ali express or wish.
Still would require keys and such if it was done legitimately
I didnt understand a word you said but you seem happy and I am happy for you
Understand this. Never ever buy a used switch game unless you know for certain that it has not been dumped.
@@ThrowAway9001 dumped ?
@@Efri3ndCloned, essentially. If Nintendo detects two instances of the same game, with the same identifier code, running on two different consoles at the same time, you will get banned.
Haha, you've been playing to many video games.
ye
I think Nintendo might be in some legal trouble if they start banning people for using cartridges that where bought legally from the used market. Unless they can differentiate between a game running on the mig switch and one running from a legit cartridge I don’t think there is much they can do legally. That doesn’t mean they won’t try but I don’t think it would be legal for them to do so. Hopefully they get hit with a class action lawsuit if they do start banning people for using legitimately purchased used games
I wouldn't be surprised I've heard that the us government sued apple because of its business practices and I hope that happens to companies like Nintendo and Disney
Nintendo has been pretty insulated from class actions so far, because all switch owners must agree to arbitration before using the hardware.
It's why they were never successfully sued for the ongoing JoyCon debacle.
They wouldn’t. They did the same thing for 3ds (ban if they detect two parallel IDs) and nobody did anything
@nathanmiller1456 In many countries that caveat is meaningless. Many countries have introduced legislation to protect citizens from this kind restrictions of their rights.
Legally its not their responsibility to ensure you were not ripped off from a third party.
That is not a legitimately purchased game, its not a real product.
If you made that legal, then mass producing and selling stolen titles would be legal.
How does that make any sense? Should it be their fault you bought a stolen game aftermarket from some guy with no previous sales?
"If I open he who shall not be named"😂😅😂 That made my Friday lol
Just wondering who was he who shall not be named?
@@rl8073 Watch the video and watch what he was running on the Switch, you will see...
@@rl8073a citrus fruit and plant in the family Rutaceae of East Asian origin
@@rl8073 Literally shows the name of the app when he opens it.
I won't name it, but I also won't blur the name shown on screen within seconds to stating I won't name it.
PSA for those unaware: Dumping your owned games is not illegal, just downloading games you don't own. It's a means of preserving the software you purchased legally for long-term use, and that's totally fair game. Just don't distribute your ROMs online after dumping.
Your story about Minecraft running better inside Yuzu NCE on the Switch which runs Linux rather than running the game native is the most insane part about this, actually.
I'd still love to get hands on one of these and if I was just to use double sided tape with my Steam Deck to use it with.
I didnt know cfw switch runs yuzu i thought its emu was just built in to the hack
@@BansheeNornPhenex Nah~ there's an extra version for ARM devices which executes directly on the SoC which is why Minecraft runs much better here.
I only play Switch emulated on my PC and pretty much everything runs better than the console... I had no idea that running something like Ryujinx or Yuzu on a hacked switch actually gives better performance than the native console. That's pretty embarrassing lol.
@@MegaManNeo thanks for the explanation, I was wondering why.
Does Minecraft/switch firmware not usually run directly on the SoC?
@@BlamingBuddha It does but NCE builds of emulators do just what the shortcut stands for, execute code natively on the SoC.
There is no need for the emulator to do anything here other to run the game since the hard- and software (games in this case) are optimised even for hacked Switch systems.
Fun fact, the PSP can emulate Nintendo 64 as good as it can (which is still flawed but impressive) because both systems share the same MIPS architecture.
Not even returned games are safe now. Scammers will buy games, dump the files and return then to the store
Stop repeating this shit, whoever used the game with the sole purpose of dumping it will obviously never go online cause he would get banned instantly.
They... could always have done that with original Switch consoles?
Not long ago you couldn't buy and return CD / DVD based games if they were open. Not sure how this is any different.
@@b4n4n0 Do you believe in Santa Claus too?
@@b4n4n0 Do you realized that a user with a stock Switch with that returned cartridge can be banned too without knowing that his cartridge has been cloned beforehand and used online? Because Nintendo cannot know which user has the legit cartridge.
What linux distro are you using on the switch, with the cool system data on the right?
We went a full circle now, from 3ds cartridges that can't be fake to Switch cartridges can can be mass reproduced
Well there was no need with 3ds considering how easy it is to hack as for the switch maybe once switch 2 is released hacker might be willing to release exploits
@@mobious01 I wish I got on the 3ds hacking train back in the day.
@@BlamingBuddha you can still get on there, the community is more alive now than it used to be and you can jailbreak a 3ds in 5-10 minutes
it's crazy that no other UA-camr has pointed this out
A lot of those guys are caught in the hype and the excitement. That this development will make the "Switch 2" or whatever Nintendo's next product will be called a digital-only device with no SD card slot and no USB charging port hasn't occurred to them yet.
@@michelvanbriemen3459and then Nintendo is surprised why "Switch 2" isnt selling well there's got to be a middle ground here again this isnt the "first" time this has been done and Nintendo still exists to this day I mean they already did this as far back as NES just without the much needed sophistication
I’ve seen multiple videos and they all pointed this out,these video were over a month ago also.
@@lesslighter I actually really hope this happens. It's super unlikely that Switch 2 will be a flop, but it would be great. Maybe that would give Nintendo a hint that they can't just continue to produce garbage products if they want to keep their customers.
I use my switch on the dumper regularly
Edit: more on topic, what I take from this video, is that emulating your games is now preferable to playing them on Nintendo hardware, not only because they'll run better but you also won't get banned by Nintendo just for losing the used game lottery.
If it was possible, I'd give a second thumbs up for actually demo-ing this on a Switch. Nice.
Switch games have run better on PCs for a while now. And recently, other handhelds have been able to run Switch games better than official hardware.
The Switch is so cracked at this point that I'm honestly surprised Nintendo didn't release Switch 2 years ago, just to update the security.
You can also play them on your phone with decent performance (botw at 15fps which certainly isnt great but anything lighter runs perfectly fine). And its only getting better hardware and software wise. While your switch is stagnating.
@@nathanmiller1456is the jailbreak available for all versions now I have a slightly older one and the OLED the older one has all my good data and it's so annoying that Nintendo won't let save data be transfered to storage or PC when not every game supports their stupid cloud save the only way to move save data.
i mean, not really? if you can emulate a switch game then the only point of using a switch is to play online, which is a thing emulators can't do *at all*
@@aprilnya Why are you saying emulators can't play online _at_ _all_ ?
When I used Yuzu a long while back it supported online play, I believe it needed you to provide your Switch's certificate or something like that. There was a warning that they were not responsible if you get banned.
I never actually tried that, maybe the feature wasn't even implemented, not sure.
Many EE students are able to make an Arm single board computer running linux, like raspberry pi. with this tool, now it is possible to homebrew a new switch-compitable handheld that runs most of the switch games.
Pretty sure that's called the Steam Deck.
Yes
@@Cobalt985that’s not what he’s saying you can use original switch hardware in a new raspberry pie device
switch games here in australia are like 90 bucks each for a new release. thank god this tool exists
Did you misunderstand the video? You can no longer buy used games either! If you buy a used game, it might not work once the dumped clone goes live! Nintendo will ban you.
the beginning of this video has to be the best hook to a video I have ever seen
wow, one of the best informative videos I saw in youtube. now I'm afraid to buy used games, I'm sure this will be a problem in Mexico. thanks for publishing this!
Thanks for making me feel better about only buying brand new Switch Games.
But that's only FROM NOW... If you've been doing that UP TILL NOW, you've just been wasting money... Not protecting yourself... So this doesn't work at all to "make you feel better"...
Thank god, I have like 20+ loose Game Cards just jostling around my official Switch case because I believe in physical game preservation. Hopefully this could help with the middle-ground to legally backup my games so I can keep them at home.
Your game cards aren’t going to go faulty anytime soon. Many people have old Atari and Nintendo cartridges that still work to this day and technology has vastly improved since then.
@@Cyko..i like your optimism!
3DS games are on cards, yet there is a bad president pushed by Nintendo that causes these games to die if they are not used.
This was a fairly big deal about 6 weeks ago. Then there were lower quality prints of the late console releases like "Persona Q" which somehow die faster than average. While DS games are written to a good memory type, 3DS AND Switch games are going to die sooner than NES carts because Nintendo went with a cheaper memory storage format.
I'm sure this isn't the best explanation of the problem, but look up dying 3DS games.
Of my personal collection of 81 physical 3DS games, three are dead currently. Two are games that I never played and are more than 5 years old bought on clearance after the switch came out and replaced the 3DS (Rip Yokai Watch 2: FS & Ever Oasis). The other one that died was an older game that I didn't care for that much, and only played it through it for 90 hours and then put it on the shelf and never touched it again (Bravely Default). Thankfully my copy of Persona Q still works... For now.
I know someone who used to do this with PSP games back in the day
@@Mac_Omegaly switch games will go bad if not used?? Do they have a battery in them? I thought the saves were stored on the console these days.
@@Mac_OmegalyI couldn't imagine "not caring for a game" but playing it "only" for 90 hours lol.
That's a crazy combo of words there.
Another variable to put out there. Key generators creating randomized game ID files (the file that is being referenced). Now IDK how these files are validated or if modifying it messes with a hash, but I can see That becoming an issue as that would mean that even a Sealed / New game would be at risk. This would probably force NOA to change how they copyright carts though, so maybe it's a good thing? Who knows.
The other thing that came to mind is that (save my first example) people would now need to 'taste test' for the bitterant that's added to the carts (for safety by NOA) to see if it's legit.
i doubt that Nintendo was dumb enough to use outdated cryptography methods
@@DensenBro agreed
As somebody who worked in a Target/Walmart if we get games returned we just send them back or recycle them. They don't go back on the shelf if they've been opened. I can see a bunch of people buying a brand new game dumping it and then returning it then it gets recycled or return to Nintendo.
yeah someone else already said this but as long as this doesnt mess with their regular customer base too much (i.e. regular switch owners who think they've bought a normal game) nintendo will basically not care. They'll say "you should've bought an official sealed copy of the game."
Disagree. Nintendo has a long history of being bullies against ANYONE who goes against their TOS. They do care and will be super aggressive in how they respond. Nintendo has pursued legal actions against people (not just companies) who torrented 30+ year old games. These are games that have not been sold for decades and have no lost revenue since Nintendo will not sell you the product for any amount of money. “We own it and you shouldn’t have it if you can’t buy it from us so be damned if you try.” ~Nintendo.
@@MrYodaBomb You're misunderstanding my stance a little bit. What I'm getting at is that Nintendo doesn't really pay much attention to what happens with their products once they hit the secondary market. So, if you buy a used Switch game and it turns out its unique credentials have been compromised, don't expect Nintendo to step in and sort it out. Because Japanese companies are super boomerish you're not seen as a direct customer. Why? Because your purchase didn't put money in their pocket directly. So any problems that come with buying second-hand, in their view, aren't really their problem since the transaction didn't happen directly through them.
What I'm NOT saying is that Nintendo would not take legal action against the creators of the MIG Switch. They very well could.
My main point is about the support-or lack thereof-for customers buying second-hand. Unless issues with second-hand Switch game files become a widespread problem that garners significant public attention, like the Joycon drift situation did, Nintendo likely won't go out of their way to help those affected.
@@jimonaldo3108people could buy new games, save them, then return them to the store and still sell them as new. This is where Nintendo should worry
@@Visethelegend I don't disagree about the possibility of that but I find it unlikely that would happen on a huge enough scale to it to affect a lot of customers.
I agree, this is the most likely scenario imo. Just Nintendo being the Apple of gaming with the worst customer service imaginable. lol
I guess one downside is I don't think you could dump updates or dlc this way. But it'd be nice to have a solution for that without modding my switch, I just want to play some of my single player games emulated with some of the benefits that come with that, but it seems like that's going to still require modding my console.
thank you for making this video and getting this info out there. I was completely unaware.
As far as the banning issue - that is just pure speculation at this point. We don't know if simply having two people online with the same certificate immediately triggers a ban. Maybe it could be like 10+ people sharing it is what triggers it, as would be the case if only one copy of the game was pirated and shared online with everyone else. I think people should not panic until we actually start seeing reports of this happening.
Like it would be very easy to see dozens of devices sharing one certificate and then Nintendo realizing it's pirated so that certificate can be blacklisted. But sharing a cartridge with 1-2 friends is a completely legitimate thing and they wouldn't be issuing a ban for that.
As far as the device being cheaply cloned to produce counterfeit cartridges, that remains to be seen as well. It's not just putting the chips on a board that makes the device work. You'd have to somehow extract their keys from the FPGA and it isn't really apparent how you can do that.
I just commented this same thing, I need to see a live demo of it happening.... I mean the concern seems to be legit but I want proof of it happening
If you're sharing a cart with friends, only one instance of that cert is online at any particular time because it's not physically in multiple switch devices at the same time. If there's two devices online at the same time with the same certificate from a single physical cart, one of them is a copy. Them having a policy of not banning until they see some number like 10 copies of a cert online at the same time would be implicitly supporting piracy, and we know they're not going to do that. We will have to see how they act when this happens, but given their aggressively litigious history with people without enough money to defend themselves in court, it isn't going to be a system mesaage saying "gosh that's naughty, can you please not do that."
@@SkateSoupDoes these bans only effect games that have online components? What if I do not play any of those, but only play single player offline games on my switch?
@JosephHarry nobody knows at this point but it may be possible to pull info including the inserted card certificate to their servers if your switch itself is online regardless of whether the game has online features. That's a total guess based on general knowledge of backend IT architecture, no idea how their environment is set up, we have to see when whatever they're going to do about it happens.
Say you were someone who dumps games and returns them. If you exclusively play your game dumps with your switch in airplane mode, then the risk of bans (for you AND whoever bought your secondhand cart) is zero. @@JosephHarry
Now let’s watch sealed prices skyrocket due to people being afraid of the cloned games
Game cases, sealers and artworks are very affordable to clone as well.
Bro most normal customers of switch games are not doing this lol
@@Don.LamaackI might have a business idea, lol
Oh sweet summer child. I literally purchased a 'sealed' copy of Splatoon 2 (few weeks after release) from Amazon (as a vendor in&to) Germany and it was sealed, but w/o a faint watermark and in another type of foil as my room was dimly lit. Being in a hurry; missed no cartridge rattling was present. I only noticed after starting to unwrap that there wasn't any game inside (nothing in its stead too). At least Amazon customer service sent me an actual authentic version free of charge just days later after minutes conversing with their customer service.
For the doubters: consider that Amazon actually accepts sealed returns with a high level of trust. It's totally possible some automation didn't spot that missing cartridge rattle or weight and put it back on shelve.
@@Don.Lamaack Yeah. Reseals also have been a problem with retro games
Soon as I click to watch this, BOOM, a Nintendo Switch ad. 😂
Wait so i don't even need to dump the game. I just playing it off the card reader? Yes please
Pardon my ignorance, but what use case does this serve? What's the benefit of this feature?
@@RuliManurung the benefit is to run original games (supporting the devs) on an alternative hardware (PC).
@@RuliManurungDon’t need to use a switch anymore if you have physical cartridges.
Normally to play on PC you would need to dump the files first from a switch and then transfer them to your PC to emulate them. That could take a while and was a little annoying. Now you can just plug the reader in, pop in whatever game you want, and immediately play.
Basically this is adding a switch cartridge port to your PC.
Thanks for the explanation, that does sound very appealing indeed!!
The only downside I see is that the save game is not saved on the cartridge. It would be so nice if you could just continue your process like the way the 3ds cartridges worked
How does the dumper handle updates for games? If we use it to dump games will we be limited to whatever version camenon the cart when it was released?
EDIT: Wrote this before finishing watching and hearing the same considerations 😀
Interesting... but I personally believe Nintendo will not do anything this time around!
Think about it... the MIG-Switch poses a risk ONLY when buying used copies, which are already lost revenue for the big N.
On the contrary, because of such risk, if you want to make sure you can fully enjoy the game, you're left with only 1 option: buy a cealed, unused copy!
Nintendo is already counting the potential increase in revenue because of this 😀
Imagine it gets to a point where the easiest way to see if your game is legit or counterfeit is by licking the bottom of it to see if it’s bitter like official carts💀💀💀
We're not talking about physical counterfeits here though. We're talking about cloning genuine games and then passing them off to someone else who doesn't know they've been cloned. In this case the cartridge is always genuine, it's all the digital clones that've been generated that aren't.
Another UA-camr lick the migswitch and it had the bitter coating too 😂
@@opyzyes, but it has a different bitter coating, many owners have confirmed that it tastes different
@@turbochargedfilms I'm personally so sensitive to bitter taste, that it totally spoils eating certain food (e.g. grapefruit) for me. I doubt I could taste a difference unless in intensity.
@@qactustick what? the video talked about both things
Thanks for both the information and the warnings of the used gaming market
The ability to play a cartridge in "he who shall not be named" directly similarly to the GB Operator, I wonder if you would be risking your cartridge by playing on "he who shall not be named".
simple, to the point video. thanks for explaining this
So instead of buying a switch and modding it so that I could dump physical games to get a better experience emulation on PC. I can now just connect the dumper and play my physical games directly on PC.
Nintendo Should take my advice:
Make official emulators for switch and older consoles. The emulators would require a $4.99/monthly subscription and will require a Nintendo account.
Sell USB-C Game Cartridge Readers for physical games. Make one adapter for GB/GBC/GBA, DS/3DS, Switch, NES, SNES, N64, GameCube/Wii, WiiU. This way people would need to buy a bunch of adapters.
Allow backing up of physical games but encrypt all backups to the users Nintendo account.
Make online play and DLC available.
Nintendo won't have an official emulator or adapters for current gen hardware. Whenever they launch their next console. Also having a 5 Year period from launch day of a console until they release the emulator/adapters.
This would lead to:
A boom in sales of physical games both new and used.
A boom in sales of official nintendo accesories such as the Pro controller and others.
A boom in sales of adapters.
A boom in revenue coming from subscriptions.
A boost in popularity among consumers.
Moral of the story: don't buy used Switch games. Pirate them and emulate them.
Are the games intentionally slowed so we'll play longer? :/
@@GangnamStyle33 Nah, the Switch is just underclocked to have the battery last longer and make sure it's completely stable.
Doesn't help if you want to play online at all. now I have to go pay the full brand new price since nintendo doesnt mark down years old games like BOTW and MK8DX. Makes sense for any game you dont care about online for though.
@@matt92hun👍
Nintendo's the most pathetic company in existence and that says a lot because Apple is right there too
Nintendo will, but shouldn't attempt to take this video down. This info is important for buyers of used switch games.
When buying a used game you could ask to run the files of the Copy of the game you are buying from the previous owner to verify that it still has the certificate and hasn’t been dumped.
Taki should be called Ninja Warrior after the recent videos 🤣
Looks like switch 2 won't have a cartridge slot.
Oof
It probably will. The hardware is probably more or less finalised by now, so I'd be surprised if they drop it before the next system launches. Perhaps in a revision, as the Xbox revisions are allegedly going to do (as opposed to only the Series S being digital-only right now), but I doubt it'll be dropped from the very next system.
I think they need a slot. Too many parents and grandparents buy games for their kids as presents. I exclusively buy physical for my kids so they aren't tied to my online account and can play on their own switches at the same time.
I can imagine it will, with completely redesigned cartridges and any planned backwards compatibility removed.
Watch a boost in sales of gift cards on holidays. Thanks alot GameStonks.
Man how many people are going to buy one of these, dump all their physical games, then sell them used. I buy a lot of used games so I really hope that it doesn’t become a problem. It really sucks to feel at the mercy of Nintendo.
Nice. I wanted to play my son's games without actually using the switch.
I know i could just download them but this way seems cleaner to me.
Well I'm gonna buy it the Mig Switch Flashcard thank you Mister Taki my dude
I don't own a Nintendo Switch but I found your video fascinating and very understandable. I enjoyed waytching it and learned from it! Cheers.
I've been wanting to play totk on my pc ever since release but never had a modded switch and now I finally can 😄
Totk was dumped over a week before release you could have done it even before it was released
@@andreamitchell4758 common sense isn't so common
@@andreamitchell4758 some would rather dump their games in a convenient way that doesn't have any extra baggage.
Great job Taki. Was told that there is a PC companion app that should be coming out soon to work with this. How true? Idk but it makes sense. Also I noticed the MIG switch flashcart performed slower than the standard switch cart when in OFW. This may be used by Nintendo to determine who is running an official game vs a MIG switch. Tested on multiple consoles with the same result. Smh
Oh wow, you can run the games through the MIG switch flashcard on official firmware?
And performed slower as in, the games performed worse?
There's no way the Switch 2 will run physical Switch 1 games
Bro has steam on his switch XD
Time to play Zelda on my PC with the latest version of Yuzu on my PC to celebrate the fact that emulator runs better than the console itself.
Me playing comfortably under the sheets: ok
@@ragestackeras long as ur both having fun
@@ragestackerme playing comfortably on my steamdeck while streaming 4k 60 reshade totk directly from my pc: ok
@@justsomeguywhowatchesanime6810 reshade doesnt exist on linux. dont exaggerate the power of the steam deck lmfao
@@theairacobra ever heard of moonlight streaming? Seems like not lmao
on 8:12 the 20022A is a DC/DC converter (likely for the usb5v to the controller 3.3v)...
the GL823K is an USB 2.0 SD/MSPRO Card Reader Controller. this says to your pc/device: i am a cardreader...
First time in years has a Switch video got my interest. This is really fascinating
what about families that have kids who have their own switches and share games between them?? Surely nintendo can't block switches in that situation.
yes they can lol
@@moafwaz5563 I am sure the ban will happen when two switches with the same cart ID play/go online at the same time, which would be physically imppossible, not just when multiple switches play the same cart at different times.
Omg! Imagine this happening in a battlefront match online with a bunch of pirates by accident at the same time!@@TerranigmaQuintet
yes they can, will and do
(if you're talking about using the mig)
If you're not playing at the same time, it shouldn't be a problem.
If you're using something like the MIG cart, then that's piracy. You don't get to buy one copy of the game and then duplicate it for the rest of your family. No products work like that.
I was following waht you were saying until the Minecraft comparison. The first "comparison" clip was at night in a river in a valley, where there was almost no draw distance. The second was in the middle of the day on an open ocean, while wearing fully enchanted gear to go faster. It's not a good faith comparison at all
Honestly this is amazing you can actually emulate games you own legally with this.
New to your channel. Was an amazing video, you have earned my like and subscribe, I look forward to going through your video library!!
your allowed to make copies of software and media you OWN. this has already be fought in courts like by VHS who got upset about people copying tapes or recording TV. only time it becomes illegal is if you sell the copies
That’s cool but HOW DID YOU GET LINUX RUNNING ON THE SWITCH??? Thats super cool!
i’m just hoping it was running off of the system storage instead of how android ran entirely on the sd card years ago
Search for Switchroot and you'll find the wiki for both linux and android for the switch.
Stealing this comment from another video, but "We live in a society, where everyone tries to install Linux on everything. Once we've reached this goal, we will transcend as a species."
@@tri4cekid536if it runs doom it will run linux
oh look i scrolled, i wasn't the first to notice the Switch Linux
If Nintendo bans physical carts or the people's accounts/systems they THINK are using a cart that someone else cloned previously... that is way more than enough reason to just not buy anything and p*rate it all. Why on earth would anyone pay their hard earned money to buy a companies products when there's a huge risk of having it all revoked without compensation through no fault of your own? And the only alternative is to only buy new copies, which isn't possible because of lack of or ending of production, scalpers, etc... It very obviously makes sense just to mod and emulate it all for free and never put your funds at risk at the hands of an obviously malicious corporation that wont protect you or treat you well even if you legitimately buy their products. Why play fair when they are outright telling you they are going to scam you from the start?
Its easy, if two of the same ID instances go online, they ban the first, as its almost certain its the original dumper of said game that resold the game.
It’s quite a take to say someone circumventing all the Switch game protections is obviously the fault of malicious Nintendo.
@@TerranigmaQuintetthere's literally no reason to assume the first owner would be the one who ripped the game. What you're saying makes no sense and would actually make people worried about buying games new.
@@skurasch Or rather they'd be worried selling their games in case someone down the roads dumps it and Nintendo bans original owner who had nothing to do with it...
You have the Yuzu emulator installed on the Switch? What a madlad 😂
Taki I am terrified because I buy used too and want them from the Japanese market. This is not always for the expected reason but aside from Nintendo, Capcom and EnixSquare most others don't have Japanese text options unless it is from Japan.
This goes for Atlus, Idea Factory, Tecmo, Falcom and a number of others.
So if i wanted to dump my switch games collection to play on a different handheld like odin 2 would this be the easiest way to achieve that?
Yes
Was wondering this as well, only question i have is if that other switch could still go online but he did not specify if this only works with a modded switch?
no firmware, no keys, no save files though
This whole concept seems a bit like fear mongering to me. With ripping and returning/reselling, you can really only do something like that once per game. It's very late in the switch's lifecycle and I think most people already have most of the games they would ever buy for the system. The biggest problem would be people ripping their whole library and then selling the physical copies online. But I don't think that's going to be a lot of people, and that issue is nothing new. Considering full blown piracy is much easier, I don't think this will actually change anything to a notable degree. I think if anything, people will use this for emulation "without piracy." I used quotes because the legality of ripping your own games is unfortunately murky.
There's also effectively no way to profit doing this, you're just going to break even unless you do an out of print game like Mario 3D All-stars. Which again, why wouldn't people just pirate games then, it's much easier.
Just imagine if Nintendo offered a deluxe subscription service featuring an official, fully-supported emulator alongside a product like this. I'd be a subscriber for life, hands down.
BRO IS RUNNING LINUX ON THE SWITCH WTF
Nintendo ninjas are coming for you bro. They don't mess around.
Nintendo will say something
“Uhhhhh…..announcing the Switch 2!!!!”
Is there any way to play the classic pokemon games on switch just using a cartridge? can you copy the rom file to a cartridge with this MIG and just play it?
you'd need an emulator, which you'd need to be signed by nintendo to even run (impossible under ofw)
Now you’re right just now makes the second hand market for people that are selling switch games used switch games specially on eBay or getting used. Switch games from potentially a store. Of people cloning authentic switch games.
Wouldn't the simple solution here be to tie certificates to accounts? In order to sell/buy used you can authenticate who the owner is and transfer through a UI. It's simple, but there's always politics involved to complicate things
That isn't really simple. If you buy a used game and the former owner forgot to deregister the certificate on their account, you'd both be outta luck.
The simple solution is to not pirate a game. Nintendo didn't predicted this type of hack. The easiest way to share a cartridge game is share a cartridge game. Attach certificates to accounts sounds like digital copies not phisical ones.
@@EdyStauch/videos Except that doesn't solve the problem because if someone dumps the game, then sells or returns the cartridge, and someone else gets hold of the cartridge, you now have two copies (or more) that could potentially be online at the same time. Do you really think scammers and counterfeiters care about piracy?
The worst part is that consumers are so stupid that they'll openly embrace counterfeits (just look at older Pokemon games as a great albeit sad example).
@@EdyStauch You're a fool if you think nintendo didn't see this coming. It's a cartridge based game. Anyone who's been around long enough saw this coming before the switch launched.
lol Microsoft wanted to do this and people laughed at them
How do you get the operating system?
It is 100% legal to backup for your own use. This is why people should NEVER buy DRM music, or any other media. By the CD/DVD, it's usually less money, and no DRM. You are free to watch and listen to YOUR media wherever, whenever you want. Would you buy anything else with these restrictions? A car that you're only allowed to drive to work? Why do people allow themselves to be controlled with something they paid for? You are NOT renting or leasing it, but that's where it's heading. NEVER, EVER buy software under a subscription. You are not buying it, and you do not own it. It's all 100% a scam, and costs much more money. Pretty soon you will own nothing, and be happy. smh...
Sure, it's legal. But would you copy your car only to then sell the original and still have a car you can use and basically duplicating it without paying the rightful owner? As always, it's HOW you use the damn thing. Own use? Fair. Selling the original? Welp... get rid of that copy or you're basically scamming the company.
Oh no this is thereible , where do i buy one ?
Honestly, I'd love to have this just to play the Switch games I own on my Deck and only have to carry around 1 console.
Thinking about picking up a steam deck. How is siwtch performance on it? Could you up res dumped games?
@@heres_the_sauce I'm thinking the same dude, from my research most of the stuff runs as good if not better. Selling all my Switch products to fund a Deck
@@heres_the_sauce I can confirm that Switch games run fantastic on the Steam Deck.
I have a Steam Deck already plus some switch games, but no Switch hardware. I wonder if I could I buy this and forfeit buying the switch console entirely? The only thing holding it back, is that would I still need a Switch Bios? And I wouldn't be able to get a Switch Bios or keys without the Switch right?
@@skycloud4802correct. Unless you get them from the dark side of the web
I'm guessing that if at some point, someone figures out how to build a certificate generator, it will be over from Nintendo's side because with all the different physical retailers world wide, they can't find out who is using a clone and who's not.... They'll know for games bought through their shop only. That's probably a future incentive why these big companies don't want physical copies anymore. They want to decide what you own...
How does it run better under emulation vs native? What is happening there technological to make that happen?
The CPU is gimped in the stock system. It's running at full speed in that clip.
@@TakiUdon It's running on linux or something? Or is there a way to unlock full cpu performance on native switch os (hacked obvs)?
@@TakiUdon which OS and I assume it is only for easier to run games
I can't see it running BOTW or TOTK or witched 3 etc, better under linux emulation
theyre probably just not going to ban people for duplicate carts since the switch is nearing EOL. So the Switch 2 will probably do away with physical media or at least fix this issue.
You don't really know much about Nintendo, huh? They always care when it comes to stuff like this.
@@qactustickwhat are they gonna do? Potentially piss of thousands to tens of thousands of parents who's kids just got their switch accounts wrongfully banned cause they had the audacity to purchase a game used and save a couple bucks. I'd love to see the antitrust case that'd come from that lol
@@apex8304 It wouldn't be about how the game was obtained, it'd be about seeing a supposedly unique identifier appear more than once on their servers, which they almost certainly have set up to detect automatically so they don't even have to search for it. Now, it probably won't lead to any problems on the user side if those identifiers are online at different times, but if they're ever online simultaneously I can see that definitely tripping a red flag on Nintendo's end and causing most likely both/all instances of that identifier being banned.
I think you need to understand what EOL means just because the switch 2 is looming large in the horizon. Does it mean the current switch is EOL as the current switch will still be supported obviously with games but it will still be supported for a few more years, EOL means that all support is ceased which won’t be the case with the current switch.
Need to get me a dumper now.
Very well done video. I think the only option Nintendo will have is to make people register games. If you want to sell the game, you will have to unregister it from your account. They will have to be upfront with this, and then if duplicate certs are detected then both and subsequent identical certs will be shutdown. A process of registration could open that game back up to you if you can prove you own the cartridge.