Switch 2: Is A 1080p Screen Too Much For A Mobile Chipset?
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I think the idea of "formerly docked mode Switch 1 games run on portable now" is pretty neat
I wonder how this could work in practice as some games have differences in UI/text scaling between portable and docked, or portable exclusive features that use the touch screen. Mandating docked mode for Switch 1 BC would be out of the question, maybe allow a launch option or for the devs to toggle it?
@@MisterTambourineMan The base Switch can already change modes on the fly when docked. The easy solution is to include a toggle in a system sub-menu for Switch 1 games. The default could be docked mode with the option to change to portable mode if desired.
yeah automatic make game look better in portable, but dev still need to do somthing with new dock mode.
Tbh, i didnt notice any difference between docked and portable, except for maybe mk11. For botw, i noticed that the performance was worse than portable
That and just one more thing - enable 60 FPS.
I rather see a 720p OLED once again than a 1080p LCD
Nah burn in
Same! I really like my OLED switch. I rather have all games run in 60fps
Just wait a couple of years and you'll get a 1080p OLED.
But how are they going to sell you a mid-gen OLED upgrade, then?
1080p small screen is fine and it needs to be better in docked mode.
720p looks fine at that size, would just have better battery life if anything
1080p oled would've been ideal
@@AnonyIUW1089 micro led even better
1080 is overkill at 8 inches
@@AnonyIUW I agree, and just upscale like they said using DLSS. Everything is upscaled these days just not much using the best upscaler (DLSS) aside from PC, and if they can render lower than 720p, upscale to 1080p and have it look even better, then you are even better off overall than native 720p. They (Nintendo) aren't stupid, they know how to flex numbers and will likely make it work to where it is an improvement all around.
Why not both? Battery saving mode and a quality mode
I can be plenty snobbish when it comes to graphics, but 720p on a handheld is definitely the way to go. If you have processing power left over, use it to improve other things or make a more complex game
720p OLED > 1080p LCD
Yeah but they will make the same as switch and steam deck haha, 1 lcd version, then oled version
Yea no shit. 720p oleds are much more expensive, virtually no one makes them and a custom make for that would be more expensive than 1080 oled
@@JamesBurdon-gu5yu they could reuse the one from the current OLED Switch, or have the manufacturer make an updated version with higher brightness or 1080p res and/or bigger size
@@alvzcizzler Unlikely, as they have to make an entirely different cooling design for the new switch chipset, and layout, which would simply make reusing displays impossible.
Pre existing productions often are more expensive to continue, as they are usually able to do things more efficiently with new productions in the long run, accounting for material changes ect.
As for refusing the display materials, vast majority are simply not reusable, the process of getting displays returned are also very expensive, companies like Nintendo usually sell pre existing stock they don't try and keep them
They should just go with 720p. Cheaper, drain less battery, easier to hit target res.
Switch averaged out around 500p in handheld so it will still be an improvement
Yep, 720p looks just fine in handheld mode. People who claim they can see the pixels should stop having their nose touch the screen and hold the console at a normal viewing distance.
Hell, most phone games do not even run at native res. Waste of battery life and you do not even notice the reduced resolution due to how small the screen is.
UA-cam also tend to favour 480p if possible on phone because most of the time, you do not notice on such a small screen.
If they were to increase the res, it would be to something like 900p. There is very little sense in going for 1080p on such a small display.
@@Ozzianmaneven if the game doesn’t match the screen resolution, a higher screen resolution will still look better
@@balloonb0y677
It depends. Going off the assumption it is a Switch game running at 720p:
If the higher screen resolution is exactly double which in this case would be 2560x1440 (Which Nintendo will never go for due to cost and battery life), then yes, 720p would look fine. That is called integer scaling. It just doubles the pixels so it remains crisp. That is why PSP games look amazing on the PS Vita as its display is exactly double the resolution of the PSP.
If the resolution is not exactly the double, then some kind of image interpolation is used when upscaling. In most cases this causes the images to blur, which looks bad and makes the game look worse unless you got an upscaler like DLSS or XeSS which uses AI (something I am hoping Switch 2 will support). If you have ever played a DS game on a 3DS without disabling the upscaling, then you should know what I am talking about.
So no, higher resolution screen does not necessarily mean it will look better. What can make games look a lot better without increasing the resolution is by using panels with better color accuracy like OLEDs or MiniLEDs which in my opinion is a way more worthwhile upgrade for a handheld.
Higher numbers is not always better.
@@balloonb0y677 not really. If you only hit 720p on a 1080p screen the native 720p screen will look better
@@dante19890 than why isn’t the current switch 480p if that’s all it can do?
tbh 800 or 900p is fine. my only issue is if devs can make subtitles or text a bit bigger in portable then go to the smaller/default on tv mode. games like fire emblem three houses is fantastic but dang the text can be super small in portable mode (with no customization to text size)
I don't think it'll be 800p as 800p is a resolution on the 16:10 aspect ratio and 720p, 900p, 1080p etc. all use the 16:9 aspect ratio. So there would definitely be problems on 800p
Tbh there isn't really a massive difference between 720 and 800p. 800p just serves as the 720p of the 16:10 aspect ratio.
This is one thing I hate with many developers especially for older folk
@Mikrui That's just ignorance
I actually think Nintendo would go for 8 inch 1080p screen
1) Backward compatibility will be simpler, switch 2 in portable mode will use the docked mode of switch 1 games. Which is up to 1080p. No need to deal with scaling issues
2) They could market this feature, switch 1 games will look better portable or docked mode.
3) Nintendo has a habit of not putting anti-aliasing on their games, since 1080p will have smaller pixels, it will look better. they don't have to do anything.
They have FXAA in every modern game they make
Yep, that's what they're cooking.
@@flintfrommother3gaming Some of their games do use Post-AA like New Super Mario U or 3D World, but most don’t use any AA at all like Smash, Mario Kart, Metroid or Splatoon.
@@MerryBlindmost down to how bandwidth hungry AA is.
@@Loundsify FXAA is very light. I wouldn’t be surprised it’s a creative decision from the devs to keep the game looking as crisp as possible.
Nintendo did have really blurry scaling when playing a DS game on a 3DS
You could optionally play in the native resolution though which is what I usually did. Sure you had empty space but it was better for reading text in many games I played which is why I chose it.
I played Pokemon Platinum on a old laptop with a CRT monitor.
Lightyears better than OG hardware with LCD.
I’m fine with 720p. Just for gods sake, use antialiasing
Be careful on what you wish for. The common AA being used nowadays is TAA and it will never look good on 720p sadly, the resolution is just too low and devs doesn't even bother to optimize such stuff anymore.
@@vivid8979 that’s true. DLSS has built in anti aliasing though. And now with FSR 3.1, you can use the anti aliasing without the upscaling. Maybe dlss could do something similar
As said above taa vaseline smear 🤢🤢🤢🤢
@@vivid8979 there’s other methods of anti aliasing. DLSS has built in anti aliasing
@@vivid8979 DLSS
Without DLSS, 720p would be more optimal still, but with DLSS 1080p makes a lot of sense.
if you want every game to have ugly TAA artifacts, sure.
@@NeoTechni Alex is right - DLSS artifacts exist, but they're difficult to see at that screen size. Also DLSS keeps getting better: DLSS 3.x is a generational improvement over DLSS 2.x and it's running on the same hardware. I expect by the time Switch 2 releases game devs will probably have access to DLSS 4 that's been customized for the platform and looks very good indeed.
@@NeoTechniEven XeSS Performance looks great at that screen size and resolution
@@NeoTechni DLSS looks fine at 1080p.
@KillahMate not a chance you will get anything more than DLSS 3 class visuals/performance. Considering they're already using antiquidated hardware for switch 2 I can't imagine it will have hardware baked support for anything beyond that.
Just because even if it uses a 1080p screen that doesn't stop games from rendering at 720p and being upscaled to 1080p. It's all variable depending on the software being run.
720p is perfect for handheld mode.
Let's be honest, 1080p on this day and age is the bare minimum. Android smartphones have been doing that since 2013, a high display DPI is important, even more with a larger 8'' screen this time around... Even Apple knew that when they introduced retina displays back on 2010
Smartphones do not run games at 1080p
@@oo--7714, they did but teh graphics/style in mobile isn't same with Console
I agreed for a portable device 720p OLED is just perfect.
wish they just kept the same 720p screen from the switch OLED. thought it was the perfect combo of form factor and resolution
Custom 720p oled would be much much more expensive than a 1080lcd
Noob here. we need 1080p for better dpi and cleaner image in 2025. 720 for 8 inch is horrible
Incorrect
Agree
If Nintendo explores VR with the new system, 1080p would be the better option I think?
No they won't. Not if they have any sense
I don't know why this is even an issue considering the system will utilize DLSS. Looking back before the Switch launched people laughed at it having a 720p screen. Now that it became a norm, people are once again criticizing for Nintendo leading the way for others to follow. Hypocrites!
Switch 2 will not have DLSS.
@@N.i.E.M.O yes it will. Nvidia designed the SoC.
The smart phone I'm holding right now has a 1080p screen.
So how is that a problem for a dedicated handheld?
Battery life.
I'd much rather Nintendo push games further with good HDR implementation and a higher refresh rate screen to support things like 40/45fps in handheld mode than raw pixels on that level. There's no reason to increase resolution (however it would be nice if most games were able to HIT that 720p, cause on Switch most of them can't)
I would much rather keep the OLED screen for the base model than upgrading the resolution tbh. The Switch OLED was a massive upgrade, and going back to LCD is one of the biggest disappointments from all the leaks that have come up.
if were being hoenst here. it will be an actually good lcd screen this time. it will be fine
@@TheGamingTeam101Tgt101The only good LCD screens are ones that support local dimming, something like the last gen iPad Pro. But I'm not seeing anything about Switch 2 supporting that. Without local dimming, even premium monitors and TVs with VA panels, the LCDs with the deepest black levels, look like glow in the dark dog water compared to self-emissive displays 🙁.
I'm welcome to being surprised by a Nintendo announcement of a Mini-LED Switch 2 but aside from Switch OLED, Nintendo has never shipped a great display for their handhelds. It's most likely gonna be disappointing.
@Glass Onion Isn't the iPad pro not mini led? It isn't LCD?
@@JamesBurdon-gu5yu Mini-LED is just a type of backlight for LCD panels and yeah, that's what the previous gen iPad Pro had.
I get your points but for me Steam Deck is blurry especially with games that have small text. It is basically unreadable. 1080p is way to go for me, just for text clarity.
I can't say I have this problem at all with the Steam Deck. Zero, zilch, nada.
What kind of games are you playing where you have that much trouble reading the text??
That's down to the developers of the game surely
@@TheCactuar124 Try reading item description in Elden Ring, Dark Souls or streaming via PlayStation Remote play. It is a great device, but I would love to have higher resolution.
@@mikeuk666 yes, on switch it might be less of an issue, but not many developers optimize UI for steam deck.
I think a 1440p screen would be the way to go. Render at 720p and then do an additional pass where the edges in the render are detected. For a little more delay and about 10% more render load tou'd probaply get the appearance of a 1440p picture
It comes down to what Nintendo sees as the lifecycle for their next gen device as to how they prioritize any specs. If expected to go 7-8 years at minimum, that is into the next decade where competition is going to be much different and other platforms may push further into next gen expectations. If both GTA6 and ‘Switch2’ launch in 2025, it will be quite the benchmark.
I respectfully disagree, switch2 will launch parallel to 20x faster igpu, 60x faster the next year. Longevity now is holding 900p 45fps and being able to upscale to 4k90fps. Switch2 is DOA. No 7years, it will be emulated on phone on launch day. Deck2 should be 8x faster so, you've guessed it, 4k90fps vs 1200p30fps. I have zero trust in the big N not to mess it up.
Yeah. Think to be in 2030-2035 and have a 720p screen. Nintendo wouldn't go 1080p if it would be bad.
@@FHC1944 I had vita, it was crushed by too high resolution, it had 7 inch 960x544 but had power to sustain 640x360. Meanwhile 3ds took the market with 400x240 - they've limited their specs strategically. You could do 640x360 but very late to dev cycle. The games looked tragically - very clean and low fps, like bad android game.
@@michahojwa8132 The 3DS came out in 2011 and it didn't sold as good as the Nintendo DS. But Nintendo has always been the handheld king. There are reason why phones are 1080p or better. It's sells better and are better since they utilize the screen resolution. Higher resolution (if the cost isn't a lot more because of it) sells a little bit better. If they would have a 1080p handheld with a little bit worse battery and a 720p handheld with better battery, i think the 1080p display would win that battle easily
Why is this a question when the fillrate requirement for NATIVE 1080p is less than 16MB per frame? Why is this not common knowledge amongst Digital Foundry's audience?
If the 8" LCD rumors are correct then I assume they're using the same panel as the PlayStation Portal.
A good screen for sure, but even at 8" I think I would prefer a 720p OLED for all of the reasons mentioned.
My freaking smartphone is 2160P.
Twenty years ago worlds smallest 1080p flatscreen was 8 inches.
Here's a though:
IF the screen size is bigger, then there does not need to be upscaling from 720P into 1080P on original Switch -games, as those games can be displayed with black boarders around the screen.
But in order this to work, Switch 2 would need to utilize exact same pixel density as original Switch.
So, when old Switch -game would be played on Switch 2, the actual picture would be just as large as on original Switch, and of course full screen on Switch 2 -gaming.
Only thing they would have to work around is method to avoid screen burning, if boarders would be on during long gaming sessions.
its going to be 2025 when the switch 2 releases, hope 720p is left in the past.
720p at that size is a higher pixel density than most pc monitors. Sure you’re looking at it closer but with double the ppi of a 27 inch 1440p display, that’s more than enough. 1080p at like 6 inches is a waste of battery and processing power.
It is 8 inches
@@oo--7714 shit is still tiny 😭😭😭lmao it’s not a dick. 💀💀💀 8 inches ain’t much.
@@oo--7714 thing is still tiny lmao 😭😭😭 that changes nothing 💀💀💀
It'll be due to backwards compatibility targeting dock mode of the switch.
But what if on Switch 2 the old Switch games will play in docked mode in portable mode. That would look so much better! I really dig this rumor.
This is gonna be Nintendo's answer to back compatibility
900p is fine, is it barely a noticeable different at that size
Not a thing due to ratio
pretty cool of edna mode to take a break from making superhero suits to discuss about switch 2
At that size I don’t need a 1080p screen. Stupid decision. 720p with Oled would be best.
Wouldn't be viable at a consumer price point. Oled is very expensive
@@JamesBurdon-gu5yu
What are you talking about?
The uptick for an Oled screen at 7 inch is only about 5 bucks in comparison to LCD.
Oled isn’t expensive at all, especially at those sizes. Even 8~9 inch wouldn’t cost 10$ more to make in comparison to an LCD screen.
Leave it to brainwashed Nintendo fans to actually argue over having LESS specs for their console. Nintendo is the richest fucking gaming company, stop asking less of them.
You know what solves all these problems? Having power profiles to let the player / customer choose how hard they want their console to run in handheld.
Are you thinking that having more money will allow them to break the laws of physics? What are you even talking about?
And power profiles? How the hell will profiles help with non-integer scaling? It sounds like rather than acknowledge your own ignorance you would rather just condescend to everyone who disagrees with you.
… lower cost?
i hope they go for an upscale from 540 or 680p into 1080p with dlss tech you could barely tell the difference on a small screen and the perf impact could be the same as running it at 720p in reality
The clarity is better for sure. Imagine playing control on a switch 2 with RT on 👌
I predict that Switch 2 launches with an LCD screen. That's Nintendo playbook 101. How else will you buy it again one year later with no other improvements?..
I honestly would really like 1080p, when I play on the switch, I put very closely to my eyes because I don't like playing with glasses on handheld, and 720p looks good, but I can still see a lot of pixels, 1080p would be a lot better.
I honestly prefer a 1080p lcd than an OLED 720p
8nm? Nintendo Selling overpriced Junk Since the Wii. At this point Switch cost is around $60 and they're still Selling it at $300. With a 4-3 NM chip The battery could last almoust double.
The 8nm thing is pure speculation by Digital Foundry and everyone else on the internet. No one knows for sure, so don't get agitated over it.
It won't be 8nm. I don't know why they keep saying that. Better they say they don't know.
The screen is gonna be 1080p with DLSS. 4k docked (upscaled ofcourse).It's not going to be an OLED screen, it'll be LCD.
DLSS, a better/bigger battery, and having low rumored clocks will allow them to output 1080p with decent battery life. The technology will be customized to what they want to do. If they're doing 1080p, it'll be fine. Most games will probably still run at 720p Natively and upscale from there.
If rather stay for battery life over fidelity. 720p OLED works just fine. I have the PLED Switch and I love it. I've been playing Unicorn Overlord and it looks fantastic and plays great. A great demonstrator of the OLED screen honestly and I hope we dont regress back to LCD
This is ona a different topic, but i really want the next console to have Dolby or DTS compatibility
540p at least scales well if they use integer scaling. Or 720p upscaled via DLSS. Beats Switch titles that ran at 480p or even 360p
you want it to run at Vita's resolution?
@@NeoTechniI dont think you've been paying much attention to any of the portables if you're asking that
@@NeoTechnimost of these handhelds are running at internal resolutions lower then that in newer titles
@@NeoTechniTo be fair most of the vitas games were sub-native (usually 408p) and 540p with reconstruction can look nice
@@NeoTechni Assassins creed mirage on the iPhone 15 Pro runs at 590p
I dont think it'll be 1080p, but i dont mind the 720p handhell, I would hate it be 1080p and having terrible battery. It´ll be nice to have 4k output but I hope every game gets 1080p performance modes for people who dont want or own 4k tvs or downsampling from 4k to lower resolution screens.
1600X900 is the ticket if they're concerned about 16X9 ratio on both handheld and docked. I personally think 1680x1050 on a 7.5-8.0 inch screen is perfect for quality and performance and 16X10 is a much better aspect ration on a handheld than 16X9.
800/900p is perfectly fine
Native 720p on an handheld is enough (many games doesn´t reach it native on the Switch I). But on the TV i really hope we will see 720/ 1080p native and upscaled to 4k. Texts and menus must be sharp.
I'd like to see the Switch use its full power when docked and display in 1080p+
Ideally the system should underclock itself and display at 720p when played in portable mode
Personally, I have some difficulty understanding the opinion that 720p is acceptable at 7 or 8 inches. Every other device with a screen I own-iPhone, iPad, smartwatch, DSLR, TV-has a much higher resolution or ppi. Every time I pick up my Switch I immediately see pixels and think to myself, ‘Oh yeah, I have to deal with the blurry screen now.’
Now to be fair, I do have slightly better than 20/20 vision, and I have lost almost none of my near vision (objects are very clear to me 4 inches from my eyes). Still, the idea of buying an 8 inch 720p screen in 2025 is a complete anathema to me and would be hugely disappointing for a ‘new’ device.
Problem is handhelds cannot run at 1080p on aaa games well, not to mention battery life is bad.
@@oo--7714it's a switch, it ain't gonna get AAA games
Completely agree. The Switch 2 will last until the 2030s and people are asking for a 720p screen lol. Even sub 100$ phones will all have 1080p screens by then.
The new chip is more efficient and is better than a PS4 in portable mode. That is more than enough to render 1080p. It is a next gen console releasing 8 years after the Switch, people are behaving as if we are talking about a Switch Pro or something.
@@stephkm3655 it is very unlikely that the switch 2 will have performance characteristics equal to the PS4.
@@DanKaschel Have I said equal ? I said better than the PS4. Hello...? PS4 is a 12 YEARS OLD console, there is nothing strange that the Switch 2 is better than it in portable mode. Does the PS4 has DLSS, ray tracing, a modern architecture and a good CPU? No it doesn't. Even if Switch 2 in portable mode has the same number of Tflops as PS4, it will still be significantly more performant.
There is nothing strange or unbelievable here, Switch 1 portable was already more performant than PS3 which released 10 years before it.
Too much? The Switch 2 will be 8 years ahead of the Switch. That's a lot of time for hardware to get better. Nintendo has never taken this long between generations, so expect a drastic improvement.
There's also the possibility that there will be a parallel GPU in the dock for higher resolutions on the TV.
But in handheld mode they need higher resolution so the tablet can be used as a VR headset. The Switch already does that with cardboard goggles, but it's pixelated with the screen that close to your eyes.
Switch 2 could be the first console to sell 200 million units. Especially since Nintendo has enough time and money to start manufacturing early. They could even manufacture the tablets ahead of time while they're still adding features to the dock.
The only reason no console has ever sold more than 2 million at launch is because no company has ever manufactured more than that fast enough for launch.
After Switch 2 comes out, Sony will be in trouble and Microsoft might never release another console.
I’d rather them just use the Switch OLED’s panel, OLED is a much better option than LCD. Plus it adds image quality without making the games more taxing to the hardware, and allows more internal space for a bigger battery and stuff
A locked 720p will be so much better than a dynamic-res 1080p involving artifacted AI upscaling
1080P screen doesn't mean they have to render at that. Bigger games will just run lower. Now, the smaller games can take full advantage, same with 4K docked.
I don’t mind a LCD screen on the new Nintendo system. The portal and G cloud have them at 1080p, its looks very nice screen.
LCD grey shite
I would have an 800p screen and if you have any GPU headroom I would use super sampling to eliminate or reduce aliasing
I would rather the screen stay 720 and then have the system use the extra power to make the game itself look better.
1080p would be great if they could play Switch 1 games at that resolution in porrabke mode, then dlss upscale swtch 2.
With technology similar to the RTX 4050 mobility, the supposed Switch 2 could theoretically support two 2160p60 monitors. In the mobile world, most screens are currently 20:9 or close to that aspect ratio. Cheaper IPS screens are around 2400x1080, while premium screens are 3088x1440, with the iPhone sitting in between. Most mobile games operate at resolutions up to 1600x900. These resolutions are upscaled, and the popular anti-aliasing solution is TAA. This is also true for most current Switch games in Dock mode; for example, Crysis 2, Crysis 3, and Metro Redux are rendered at 900p with temporal upscaling methods.
For the Switch 2, they will probably use a similar approach but with the help of DLSS. This means the internal resolution could vary between 720p and 900p, and DLSS can help achieve 1080p, 1440p, or 2160p. Developers might also use FSR, depending on their choice. Therefore, the difference between docked and handheld modes will likely be the target quality of this upscaling. On a higher PPI portable screen, less detail concentration is expected. Along with upscaling solutions, Variable Rate Shading will be introduced, allowing for dynamically lowering shader precision in portable mode. This will reduce resource usage without significantly compromising image quality.
The Switch 2 could have either 1080p or 1440p screens, but my guess is that it will have a 1440p screen, as 1440p is a multiple of 720p. In Japan, 1440p portable screens are quite popular. Japan adopted 1080p much earlier than most places and is a major producer of screens. So if Nintendo has a chip capable of supporting a 1440p screen without compromises, they will use it. Thus, the Nintendo Switch 2 will likely have a 1440p portable screen and support 2160p on a TV, both upscaled from a lower resolution. However, the HUD would be fixed at the native or intermediate resolution.
Why am i seeing people clamouring for a 720p screen? 720p in 2025??
The thing has an 8inch screen and will be better than a PS4 in portable mode. People act as if it will just be slightly better than the Switch lol. Why are people asking for 720p for a console that will last until the 2030s?? Like WTF. Even 100$ phones won't have 720p screens by then. 1080p is exactly what a Next Gen Switch is supposed to have and the battery savings from 720p are so small that the crispier and less blurry image a 1080p screen offers is much better in my opinion.
No, 1080p isn't too much for a mobile chipset. The most important aspect of whether they go with 720p or 1080p depends on what the docked resolution will be. 1080p and 720p with 4X scale is 4k and 1440p respectively. A great visual for this is split-screen multiplayer, where each player's screen res would ideally be 1080p or 720p respectively on a native 4k screen.
If the target is 4k with mostly upscaled games, with some indie and 1st party games running native 4k (yes it's doable. Devs/publishers that care enough will optimize their games), then the screen should be 1080p because it evenly scales into 4k.
if the target is 1440p, 720p would be better because 720p evenly scales into 1440p.
As weird as 900p might sound, if every switch 2 is that resolution, it'd be easy to develop for it and would be a good balance of battery life/image quality/performance. Give 90hz VRR as an option or lock to 60 for slightly better battery. And it shouldn't be too expensive since the volume of switches can easily bring down cost. No manufacturer would turn down 20+ million units.
720p screen is better. If it was 1080p then we'll have to deal with upscaling and worse performance for battery and FPS. When you jump to higher resolution like we did for 4k tvs then we create problems that weren't there to begin with. My Xbox 360 games look bad on my 4k tv and i reckon an old 720p or 1080p tv would make the games look better.
I would rather them continue with an advancement of OLED screen technology and a 720p screen. Most Switch games play at less than 720p anyways but when it is native, it looks fantastic at that screen size. And it’ll save battery & performance.
ok im fine with 720p or around that scale for budget devices but 900p or 1080p with a dlss backend could still work
i think 720p is overrated and tbh mobile centric hardware like this should handle that at base
if anything i dont really want a 4k upscale for docked mode, 1440p or 1080p 60 makes more sense to me and scales easier than a full fat scale
that or they could get retina scale panels that lie between 720 and 1080p to make things not as pixelated while not going full double up ie the steam deck or other handhelds
i think we need to start moving on display wise from 720p anyways bc it looks kinda old at this point
I'm streaming my pc game with moonlight, and my xbox game pass with the android partition on my switch. And games looks awesome on the oled screen even it's only 720p.
;)
But WIFI 6 will have to be a minimum for the switch 2 .
I think 1080p is the way to go. 720p was cool in 2017, now its time for nintendo to step it up.
I think something unconventional like a 900p resolution display would be better for switch 2 rather than 1080. Maybe then Devs can focus more on framerates
Most PS5 and Xbox Series X are not native 4k yet they're fine on massive 4k screen. Why it'll be problem on Switch 2 little screen to be 1080p?
my main concern is how well it can play on a tv the screen size portable is fine but I think it still needs to compete as a home console. Docked external gpu pls? why doesn’t anyone make that for a console!?
Watch them do that thing from the 3DS where if you started a DS game whilst holding Select it would display in the original resolution.
Doesn't sound like something Nintendo would do nowadays
My only concerns are
1. Draw distance
2. Frames per second
1080p would be cool. Don't need more than that.
I really don’t think it’s going to be 8nm because Samsung’s 5nm has the exact same design rules so porting it to that will be relatively easy
1080p .... 4k 120 or 240 ! Nintendo need to catch up. Or get a solid state battery to power it
Is it 4k on the doc.
On a screen that small and far from ur face, 720p is perfectly fine.
I don't know. I mean, 1080p WOULD undoubtedly look better. It's like a lot of the displays that were fine at 1080p when 1440p or 4K came around. Technically you can get a plenty good enough image at 1080p on those old 32 - 40 inch displays at around 4 - 5 feet away. But you do still notice a clarity boost at 1440p or 4K there. It's kind of the similar thing here on these handhelds. We're looking at smaller screens, yes, but also at a much shorter distance from our face. And I can definitely still notice jaggies, some artifacting, and pixelation from 720p on these handhelds. Especially because the way they are achieving this is by forgoing a lot of the post-processing (to save on performance). And while that's fine, at lower resolutions like these it's not that much more expensive to just generate a good image from the start. Sure, I'd say the same as John if the discussion was 1080p to 1440p or 4K simply because the higher you go on resolution (beyond a certain point) the cheaper that most AA and other post-processing solutions will be relative to going to the higher resolution (and probably still needing some of them).
But at lower resolutions like this going up to 1080p I don't think the power cost is going to be significantly different than all of the extra post processing needed to make 720p look good on these smaller displays. Like, I've hacked the switch to output to 1080p on handheld mode with the clock speed boosts as well. And it absolutely does improve clarity and fix a lot of the jaggy, clarity and pixelation issues some games have, even with absolutely no additional post processing being done. Sure, there is a slight performance cost increase. But it's nowhere near as expensive still as the resolutions most consoles are trying to hit. And hell, I even agree with some of the people in these comments, if 1080p seems too high, just aim for 900p. On a handheld it'd be barely (if even) noticeable of a difference from 1080p and still give roughly a 15% or so performance increase over 1080p while still looking much more crisp than 720p. It might scale even worse with last gen (Switch 1) titles, but I suppose patches could be introduced in egregious cases to support a higher rendering resolution. Not an optimal solution, but I think would really improve the games on Switch 2. If they launched with a proper OLED screen on Switch 2 (which they probably won't, but if they did) then they could do like Steam Deck OLED and just have an ever so slightly larger screen for 900p that would just cut off a few rows and columns of pixels when rendering at 720p to provide a closer to native feel like the Switch 1 for games that struggle to achieve 900p. Or upscale, but alas there are options.
Can't believe people like to play games on small screens .
A switch on a 4k TV can not go over 1080p .
Just give me a console without the portability factor. I'll never have time for mobile gaming.
Rumors suggest a heavily customized version of t239, so it’s probably more than capable of 1080 in handheld.
Yeah but it shouldn't be making full use of the t239 to preserve battery
@@ask343 It’ll be easily able to do 1080, so long as the games don’t try to shove too many polygons on screen
@@minecrafter3448I doubt it.
@@oo--7714 With the rumored teraflop output, I would be very surprised if it wasn’t all around a very powerful machine. Nintendo isn’t exactly the kind of company to cram an oversized gpu into an underpowered machine
@@minecrafter3448 still lower resolution would preserve more battery life
It's certainly possible that it's 1080p for VR support though
720p for that screen size is just fine.
8” with 720p no thanks must need 1080p screen
Maybe as far as oled goes, maybe they are concerned with burn in. Other handhelds did come out with oled like switch 1 and steamdeck oled, but only later in their life where your less likely to experience burn in before the successor.
Burn in has been debunked on the oled switch by WULFF DEN as it took him 7000 hours of a still image at max brightness to leave a mark which won't happen in normal use....
@@mikeuk666the steam deck oled burned in pretty quickly on the same channel
It's cost dude, why break the bank if you can partake in an already available resources
original switch honestly could have had a 480p screen. i wouldnt have cared
We don’t even know what the official specs are for switch 2 and here you are making a prediction good God why don’t we just wait to see when the system announced and then we can talk about what it can or can’t do because everything you’re basing, your knowledge on is nothing more than speculation based on Patents and so-called leaks that have no validity to them
Wrong channel
Its for the VR attachment
I hope it actually gets VR support, that'd be cool and would become one of the most successful VR experiences
I think 720P is fine for 3D gaming but not enough for text reading.
The PS2 should have been 240p for PS1 backwards compatability 😂
The iPhone 13 Pro Max has 6.7 in screen with a a resolution of 2778x1284.
The iPhone 15 Pro Max has a 6.7 in screen with a resolution of 2796x1290
The Switch OLED has a 7 in screen with 720p (handheld) and 1080p (docked).
If Nintendo can manage to have at least a 7 in OLED/Mini LED/QLED display with 1080p handheld and 1440p docked I think it'd be perfect; especially if through AI they can improve the visual fidelity while in backwards compatibility.
I feel like comparing smartphones, Nintendo is similar to Apple whereas PlayStation is more similar to Android.
I think they’re both more like Apple and Xbox is like android. You can even put emulators on your Xbox. If you wanted to do that with a switch or PlayStation you’d have to hack them
We NEED 4K docked.
@@spritegaming471 ain’t happening, even with DLSS. 1440p is most likely
If 1080p is a problem for the Switch then we have bigger issues with the switch.
This is for the actual screen of the console, not how much it can output on the TV. Even the Steam Deck doesn't have a 1080p screen, it just causes a lot of problems in many areas.
Battery is a huge concern that goes away with a power supply. There’s no easy way to get around battery limitations unless everyone was fine with being plugged in. It’s easy to say give us more power! But again battery seems to be the biggest limitation when it comes to these small devices. If we get some great battery tech advancements, then you can make that point.
Modern games in 1080p is a problem for all modern mobile devices. The iPhone 15 Pro plays modern high graphical games only at 720p. Assassins creed Mirage only at 590p.
The Steam deck only has a 720p screen.
Mobile hardware isnt as powerful as people think. Just because they can render webpages and videos in 1080p doesnt mean they can render modern games in 1080p.
Watching this video at 1080p @ 60fps.
we don't know anything about it (and don't start with the Tegra 239 thing, its regurgitated info from 2020), but my own prediction it that it will be a nvidia something chipset, with a arm/mediatek cpu at a similar lvl of xbox series s cpu (its not really hard to match considering those are around ryzen 5 2600 lvl), gpu wise its where it gets more interesting, my bet it that it will be a super customized ampere that is =/= or ada itself, with raw power around xbox one x in terms of teraflops or even a bit higher (6-7 teraflops), lppdr5x ram, likely the 7500mt version (12-16gb), 256-512gb of ssd (not that crazy speeds but around series x lvl, which is more than enough),, that based on logic and Nintendo's president's own words, they want to go foward with the 3rd party support and that he said in 2019 they would look to use proper tech to the era they are, nothing of this has become real yet as they have only released new models since then, but consider this, next console will lauch 4+ years later than ps5/xbox series, compared to the exact 3 years switch did against ps4/xbox one (the console was supposed to launch in november of 2016), but stock issues pushed it to 2017), that's a year and 1/4 more time to get a stronger chip compared to switch, to put it in perspective its like the first switch released in march of 2018 instead, it would probably had the X2, and making the proper calculations (architecture, bandwidth, etc), that chip is around 75-80% capable as a xbox one, and this time maybe nintendo wouldn't have needed to downclock it as they did in our timeline cuz its more efficient with a smaller node than X1, that's how big of a jump a single year can do, next console will be fine
By "regurgitated info from 2020", you mean a chip that's had continuous shipping data updated, indicating not only that it's still set to release, but that thousands of physical chips exist.
given that the performance of the Switch 2 will match the xbox one vcr I think that 720p is more than enough anyway the dlss is not going to work miracles.
Smartphones and tablets can go well above 1080p. Assassin's Creed Mirage plays wonderfully on the iPad. Genshin Impact looks great on iPhone and Android at 1080p. So, 1080p on Switch should be achievable.
Bro mirage runs at 300p. Genshin runs at 720p on iphone. 😂
Can we stop with this 720 crap. We all know 1080p looks betterl. I can see a difference on my rog ally. Games running at 720p look low res no matter how small the screen is. Let’s stop giving Nintendo excuses. We should have the choice to switch between resolutions like the steam deck n rog. Allt
It also depends on the NATIVE resolution on your screen. You can´t compare that. And OLED will look sharper, even with 720p (native).
well obviously a game running at 720p on a 1080p display will look worse because of the scaling
the question is: is a 100 more pixels per inch on the 1080p 7" screen worth it in terms of performance and battery life ?
When you run a game at 720p on a 1080p screen it gets worse than running in a 720p screen.
@@autumn42762yes it’s worth it. Look at the rog ally x they have the technology to improve the battery. After owning a steam deck oled and rog ally I couldn’t go back to using a switch oled. We should be progressing forward.
The steam deck has an 800p screenm not 1080p
This is the kind of convo I like!
Battery life over 1080p any day any week
We have to keep in mind we will have this thing into the 2030s and 1080p120hz screens are not that expensive anymore.
I want 4k in handheld mode and 240 frames per second. 8k in docked mode. Maybe 16k. I also want a battery life of over 10 hours minimum. And it should retail for no more than $199. Tops.
Hopefully in 2041.
I think it will be 1080p screen and the Switch backwards compatibility will be based on Switch 1 docked mode settings which will look fine on such a small screen if not sharper than a 40" 1080p TV at reasonable distance.
Should also add that docked switch has better graphic settings quite often. Better LOD distance, shadows, higher rendering resolution etc. it's a win win for backwards compatibility as the games will look better than the standard switch in handheld.