Logging 100 TREES With This $300 STIHL 660 Knockoff
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Today I'm testing out the Holzfforma Blue Thunder G660 Chainsaw, a Stihl 660 copy, while logging as many trees as I can! Check out the Blue Thunder here - amzn.to/3KY2kED
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I've had one of these saws for a few years now, and at the beginning the bolts holding the dogs on rattled loose just like that one. I put it back together with Loctite, gutted the muffler and it works great. It does come setup way too rich from the factory, and it took mine about ten tanks worth of fuel before the rings fully seated and it got to full power. Aside from the dogs loosening up, the only problem I've had so far is one of the springs in the clutch went missing so the chain would spin at idle. Cheap easy fix. For the price of it's been a good machine.
I had the exact same experience, but I replaced the bolts with OEM. Had to do the same with those on the handle. Still running fine.
Same thing happened to mine. Had mine for a year so far works great.
At 18:50 there is a massive old growth stump!
Just think of the men back in the day standing on spring boards chopping out a face cut ten feet above that slope, then running a two man cross cut for hours. Then, dragging those 5' Dia logs with steam power. crazy. Good video Jake, go Issac 'you nailed it'.
The dog bolts fell out on my real 661s too.
@cliffordmontana4562 bu.mer. the OEM bolts I got were a slightly different style and have not come loose. The lock not was a crush style as opposed to the nylock that came with the saw. No issues since replacing them.
I bet it was fun just cutting trees and not worrying about set up or houses or power lines, etc. just felling all day. Fun in the forest. Nice video. Thanks.
James: That's a steal
Jake: Actually it's a Holzfforma
lol
What a great way to teach Isaac how to drop a tree where he wants it to fall. Good experience with low consequences if you screw up.
There is really high consequences if you mess up, I have been a professional contract faller for almost 6 years now and you make a bunch of white wood and crossed up lays your out of a job faster than you got it.
There is never low consequences if you screw up falling trees...
I bought the Pinkway saw you reviewed a couple of months ago. I love it. For $130 it's a great saw. I only cut trees as needed around my house and it is a great saw for my needs.
I bought the same for some larger noble firs. Has dropped and bucked several cords of wood now with no problem. I did have to tune the carb but that was simple enough.
Bought mine in 2022 and it was $1200 w/“20 bar. I run a 25”. Bought a 36” light bar for $160ish. Was going to get a 660 clone before I got the MS661. Just don’t have the time to bulletproof it. They are great if you work on them and replace some key parts.
I have a joncutter 5800 from farmertec, works awesome once tuned. Something like $109 for body, bar, and two chains. I also have the H372 knockoff. If you are a modestly mechanically inclined homeowner, these saws are perfect.
You know it's steep when the tree lands 30 feet from the stump.
Ha! True!
Lovely gravity
Every video I’m blown away on how sharp these saws are. I’ve used chain saws on our farm quite a bit but your saws throw chunks. It’s so impressive
Part of it is the type of wood they are cutting, but they do keep their chains sharp!
Its also the type of chain they use, different type of grind on the teeth, the amount of cutting teeth per chain etc...different from typical homeowner type chains.
@@RyanWiseman-zs3ee I tune my chains for what I'm cutting and what I'm cutting with, but you're right; pretty sure the square file their chains.
Chipper chains make a difference
Nothing worse than being on a remote work site and forget to bring something to drink! I have done that a few times and being really thirsty with nothing to drink is one of the worst experiences of life.
That looks so fun! Sending trees down the hill
It's tough working on the slope. How satisfying to fall trees like that makes up for it.
That black piece is the summer time and winter time mode I believe.
Ah, paper for my laser printers! 😉😂
This video persuaded me to buy a G660. I don't regret it, it's a great saw.
Love to hear it, I got 1 supposed to be here tomorrow. Have you had any issues?
@@kdcustoms1272No dude, it's not missed a beat. Awesome bit of kit❤
@LeeTillbury nice, I did have a problem with mine though. Was leaking fuel, changed the fuel hose to the carb and the elbow with original stihl parts and so far, so good. 👍
@@kdcustoms1272oh, that's unfortunate. Did you reach out to the seller?
@LeeTillbury nah, it was only $13 for the stihl parts, so im not to worried about it.
I actually have the same brand but I spent $550 on the upgraded version called the G660 Pro. It comes with the carbon fiber cover and upgraded carburetor. I had to replace several pieces with Stihl stock pieces but overall it makes for a good back up saw for the price. These are not meant for professionals as a primary saw but do serve a purpose as a back up.
Got the same saw and same result. Just wear and tear parts basically. Considering what I expected out of it it’s been an awesome saw for the cost
carbon fiber or carbon fiber wrap? I believe it may come with different piston and rings as well.
@@iffykidmn8170 it’s hydro dipped I believe. I want to say the piston and rings are different as well as the carb. I’m not sure in the bearings.
The "not meant for professionals" is a weird thing to say. Any professional would obviously not use one and anyone else isn't a professional. Either way, Holzforma don't care who buys them.
@@seanhamilton4175 I get what you are getting at but have questions for you, Is Jacob a professional by your standards and did he use one?
I grew up in Alger Washington between Burlington and Bellingham! On the base of Alger mountain! Used to hike up the trail from my house to where they had clear cut just to get the best view of the valley!
"Where did I leave that axe?" Story of my life ;)
adding fluorescent duck tape and or paint has helped me.😉
You picked a very good one in Isaac as an apprentice. Seems to follow your instructions well. In that line of work it's critical to be aware at all times.
Isaac was ripping on his face cuts. Each face cut we seen of his was nailed. Hes onto it.
It's amazing to watch those trees float out and down, and it looks like that saw is doing a decent job. It's looks like pretty healthy chips getting chucked out from the chain
Jake, the best thing about the blue chainsaw is you can see the level of the fuel. Where the Stihl chainsaw motor you find out the level when you run out of fuel.
That's crazy just watching those trees fall away into the abyss!
I use a 36in full comp on mine and with a west coast saw bark box and the carburetor set right I can’t stop it from cutting their good saws
That was pretty epic watching those big tree fall into the abyss! Cool episode!
So foggy! ♥️👍
I’ve just 66 mag holtzfarma. Great saw!!! Got mine from Wagner chainsaw. Had them do initial break in!! Runs perfect. I’m still breaking it in myself. We have large firewood biz. Use a lot stihls.
I’ve got a ported/blue-printed Holz 660 and it works like a champ
These saw ALL come super RICH that I have heard. There is a guy in my town that sells them and he gets them set up to rev and make more power. You can hear the saw bogging and not preforming well. This saw will wake up with some tune to lean it out and they do well with a muffler. Tell gord to send you a box.
Where can I find that guy that sells them set up? I am interested in getting one
@@alexfrancis5638 hes lives in my town Lacoina NH. His name is Dunn
Adjusting the carb depends on altitude, humidity and temperature so you will always have to adjust from the factory tune
Damn, those trees are absolutely flying down that hill!
I own a few different holzfforma chainsaws including this one I've been building saws for a few years and once you port these and tune them they run just as good as the name brand saws once ported. The ports take more cleaning up on the Chinese knock offs when you are porting and sometimes the port timing takes more work to get it optimal.
Cool video. I like seeing how the pros do it.
I can’t get enough of that ported 660 Gourdy did for you, it’s like asmr to my ears hearing you breeze through that timber with that saw
Man that looks so much fun
The trees are catching a good bit of air before landing 😁🥳
I love these videos, the knock offs, the chainsaw chainsaw.
Not interested in any Chinese stuff but it’s just fun to watch. Sometimes hilarious.
Thanks Jake
I noticed that the knockoff seamed to cut so much better for you than helper. When he is running it you really see the dogish tendencies you spoke on. Watching you run the saw it seemed to have much more promise. Kinda amazing seeing how much experience has in the operation of the saw. You probably don’t think about the minor adjustments you make based on the sound of the saw
Yes sir Real Badass loggers. Y'all know how to cut. Pros at work. Great video
Logging 100 trees with a $300 STIHL 660 knockoff is impressive! Thanks for sharing this incredible feat.
I just got in the pro version with the "walbro" carb, meteor piston, ngk spark plug, and so on. So far it's a super powerful saw. It's going to get a West Coast Saw upgrade package and some port work eventually here when I get time and money.
Where the heck is Gordy?!? That would have been a good playground for him too, maybe talk him into tweaking that clone? I bet he could get way more out of it…
Gordy does his own thing most of the time, plus with his shop and everything he a busy busy guy, and to be honest, idk if he really would want to port a clone saw simply because its Chinese and tin can parts idk if it could take the power lol if it was American or Canadian made probably but we all know them Chinese its not that great putting it lightly btw.
@@InWithBothFeet I said the same thing... adjust the carb.
Yes dump more work into the saw than the cost of the saw.
@iffykidmn8170 I've machined and ported my 660 clone... It's been running strong for 3yrs. 🤷♂️
@@RichFife 3yrs cool, how many gallons of gas or hours of use? I had Walker port 4-044s about 30yrs ago one still runs LNIB because it is.
Jacob, get the Holzfforma ported and see how she performs and lasts before holing the piston
I have the orange and grey one and it runs and cuts great. I use it for firewood..does the job. I didnt wanna spend the amount for a new stihl. Stihl is still my favorite for sure.
absolutely love watching real men at work❤
That ported 660 is an absolute monster of a saw! No comparison to the true blue lol. I am a tree guy myself and I'm a big fan of what you do and how informative you are while working, would be awesome to meet you in person one day. It's so awesome that you are willing to try so many different saws also, love the content and the positive attitude! Keep up the great work sir, and also want to learn how to climb and your a big inspiration to me to want to learn that skill. Great work and God bless, also be safe sir!
“That’s a steal” no pun intended lol
I have similar thoughts for the 661 power and such. It does seem like it runs the chain slower than say the 500, 462, 044, etc. but while it doesn’t run the chain fast, it sure pulls it harder. That, for me, is nice when you’re in that bigger stuff. Plus, being able to run a substantially longer bar is nicer for not having to double cut as much,
I picked up one of these as a kit early on in the pandemic. I did a little port and muffler work and threw a few OEM parts at it. I had a few teething issues early on, but it’s a screaming saw now.
Changing key things on it like the carb with the OEM walbro one , pull-cord, that brakes easily and alot of clone owners recommends changin ignition coil, that makes the saw wake up and revv higher. I still be changing spark plug and filters with oem ones. I think thats kinda it.
I think walbro are made in china ain’t they?
@@Florida239 can't find info but I've seen people on forum that have walbro carbs on old Stihl chainsaw that are made in USA. Stihl has its into China production tho. I have a Stihl FS 235 weedwacker, it's fully made in china and works like a charm for 5 + yrs. Local Stihl dealer sold alot of them for city cleaning and they said never one had come back for engine problems. So I would trust a walbro Stihl OEM made in china even.
@@marcusciochina6584 just about all the carbs are now made in china it’s sad really but that’s the world we live in. I’ve just about completely converted to echo saws and weed eaters from stihl and husqvarna! They are overpriced and in my opinion not built near as good as echo just my opinion 👍🇺🇸
@@Florida239 I don't see that much of a problem really ... I talked alot with local Stihl dealer...on weed eater side , the first one that is produced in china(FS 235) has becomed the most selled and reliable one they have. They sold to local city for maintenance. Guy said they don't go easy on the tools and not even one has comed with engine or serious problems, and those things have already 100s of hours. I own a FS 235 one of the first years of production (2019) and only changed filters, and the clutch drum after 5 years of use (service guy recommended it BC it had some ding sounds ) but that's normal. If brands keep people on foot in china production to make sure the standards are not cut . The quality will be high
@@Florida239 ah, and even if an engine is going down(never seen) the price of one tho replace I was told is 50 euros . So it's a win win for now😂
As soon as you handed that kid the saw my anxiety went up about 10 fold lol
Man I been using saws for a long time, but not in that capacity. I tell you the rev and chucks it spits out look good. I got a baby Farm Boss.
Glad to see you’re back in the woods!
I've run a holzfforma g660 for firewood felling and bucking for 4 years its been flawless. If you put the stihl hd air filter and open the muffler a touch then tune its a solid ripper.
Jake,
How do they process the downed trees, that would be a really interesting video, I lived in the New Jersey Pine barrens
until 11 years ago and am now in Ferndale, WA.
Except for old movies from the forties, I've never seen high Mountain Logging, do you have any footage?
Cheers,
Rik
That is how you hook 'em for life! That kid won the lottery.
What you should do is spend the money in getting the wannabe tuned up and see if you can get the performance up to the Stihl.
And do a comparison of the internal of the Cheap V/S the Stihl. That would be interesting to see just how they really stack up.
Ant it fun just going out and felling all day! 🌲🌲🌲🌲
Jake you should run the 395 knockoff soon… I’d like to see how it does
I have two of the 30 something cc "Joncutter" saws because at $140 or so each, I had one and grabbed a second because I liked it so much. At this point I've borked the drive sprocket on one, but that took a couple of years and some abuse ;) I also bought one of the 070 clones for maybe $400 to be my milling saw. That one I'm not as happy with, but part of that is it's a monstrous heavy beast that I Only use with the mill, so it doesn't see much action.
This video is awesome, I have worked a few jobs but I never got to work felling trees. I bet at the end of the day... working your way up that hill... your legs would be burning at the end.
I’m not in sales, if I was a Holzfforma representative I would sponsor this guy! Thank you for the video Mr.Rogers!!👍👍
Nice to get an insight of the timber fallers work 💪🏻👍🏻
The little plastic piece that fell out when you took the air filter cover off is the winter/summer vent on the top of the air filter cover you took off there’s another place that that piece fits into one is for winter operation ones for summer
My brother loves STIHL clones. In his mind, if you get a clone of a good saw and it does the job then it helps people get to doing it without being priced out of it.
Those clones are OK once ya put around $600-800 worth of OEM parts in them. The cranks don't last and the nikasil coating on the cylinder is super thin if it is even nikasil.
Have 2 of them for about 3 years and haven’t had any issues with them, soo they are worth the $300
It would be awsome if u install a high flow air filter bark box and tune the carb and just see how much improvement it makes
I have one for milling and cutting big trees. Chain tensioner is a problem on mine. It has a ton of power for what I need. Still stock. Not sure about everyday heavy-duty timber fall'n though. It pulls pretty hard with a 42 " bar on the Alaskan mill.
I bought the Stihl chain tensioner and I’m still having problems with it. I think the casting of the saw might be a little out of wack. Also my cylinder head bolts loosened. Retightened the head screws and it runs great.
Be interesting to have that g660 have a mild port job done and see how long it lasts and how well it responds/wakes the saw up!
I have one of the G660s for a test platform and am running a 32 inch bar with an 8 pin sprocket. You should see a marked difference when running an 8 pin.
I want to see you get the same aftermarket work you get on your Stihls done to these. See how well they take oem parts and how comparable the mod work is.
I bought the 660 too works great one thing though mine leaks gas if I let it sit overnight or if I don’t cut wood for a while with it it’s been like that since I bought it but wow a lot of power not a bad saw for the price it starts every pull too if cold take about 6-8 pulls!
I'd personally love to get to go out and fall a strip like that with any one of you guys sadly I'm stuck with cutting and selling firewood
I always watch the Chinese reviews on your channel first! If they survive a full day under heavy use by yall then it will last me many years!
It's like tree guy Valhalla.
Great review.
Convinced me into buying 1😂 supposed to be here tomorrow, can't wait. I got the orange/Grey one tho because I'm pretty sure they are newer. I was looking at them a few years ago and all I seen were blue, and the orange/white kits. I've heard their qc has gotten better.
I am glad for this. This is the saw I am considering for my chainsaw mill.
Me too. Which bar/set up are you thinking?
Probably just the G777, the 20" one. I dont have equipment or anything so 20" logs are easier to handle. And with a 90cc saw it oughta mill a little less slow, hahaha
@danr308 If you want 20" logs, be sure to get a 24+" bar. The mill mounts eat up some bar capacity.
Yeah for sure. Thanks!
For a guy like James to say “it feels like a stock six sixty.”
If all it needs is port and timing work you can almost do that when you buy one and risk trashing the cylinder for what they cost.
I bought two of them a 660 and a 660 pro, put a big bore on the pro, see what happens
I'm about 30 tanks in on mine, strictly milling. Love it so far
I believe with some tuning that would be a fantastic saw but I don't use a Stihl saw I don't like them I use a Husqvarna with a big bore kit that's ported and tuned.
Anna see a test “after port and muffler mod , see how long it lasts in that environment??? Very curious how many hours before it looses compression etc . Thanks for great content
I’ve got the grey and orange colored g660 with a 36” stihl bar and chain, for what it costs it was a nice big saw for the money, but then I went out and bought the last 395xp my dealer had when they discontinued it, I now just use the 660 to mill
I used the same brand holz 070 with a 36” bar yesterday my neighbor owns it. Needless to say i wasn’t making enough money to run it n I had to take a nap after 30 mins total of cutting. Starting it was the real pain no way you could just drop pull the thing
Next up, can you port it and get it within spitting distance of your 661?
Anyway, a heck of a value for $300.
Fine cutting, Jake!!
The peice that was loose under the air breather cover is a "cold weather shutter vent"
They are removed & replaced when/as the seasons change.
STAY SAFE
Would have LOVED that experience you had. Do you sharpen in the field or just carry sharpened chains with you?
Can you easily sharpen a square ground with a Dremel tool like the regular blades?
Cheap saws are 100% the way to go. Sharpen a new chain very aggresively, port the cylinder right off the bat and polish every surface of the cylinder. It will cut exactly the same as an expensive saw. Seriously, try out this method. You can buy a whole new crank, cylinder, piston all gaskets for $50 on temu too. This is the way, im serious lol.
Yeah he needs to set the chain brake when walking around and when the tree starts falling too!
There is definitely a big difference between the blue and the souped up Stihl, I suppose most of that is the "soup up" job but still there is a big difference
A friend of mine has the 50 cc model, and it’s a pain to start, but other than that they run pretty good.
Long time subscriber. I enjoy this and your former channel. Really wish you would NOT give any air time to PRC rip-offs.
That ported Stihl is a beast
Bought a G660 based on this video. I'm shocked. I have been slowly leaning it out (with a tach) each tank, and the saw really rips. I run a MS661 fairly often and I can tell the g660 will be comparable cutting power after it is done breaking in. The plastic parts are definitely not great, a bit flexible. For a professional, this is a great backup saw.
Convinced me to buy one also even though I don't need it at all😂. Supposed to be here tomorrow. Have you ran into issues at all yet? I've heard the pull rope and the chain tensioner being the weak link a few times.
Oh and Yamaha has a known reputation for have flexible plastics. I barrel rolled a raptor 660 on myself 5 or 6 times, didn't Crack a fender😂
@@kdcustoms1272 yeah, the brake handle is super flexible especially if it's warm out. I have replaced the chain tensioner with an OEM. I plan on ordering a backup pull start because of what I have read online. Other than that I've been running it most days. The handle is also bendy. Oh yeah, thread lock the dog bolts straight away
For the price the things cuts nice. I might grab one for that price
Haven't seen sides like that since working out of North Bend, now oh so many years ago
I would really like to see that clone dig into some hardwood like oak. That will show the power or lack of power of that saw.
My G660 has been great for milling I don't make a living with the saw and couldn't even afford a used ms660 when I bought it. Clones are a bit cringe but the parts they are made of keep a lot of old STIHL's alive, oem parts arent always financially viable or even attainable sometimes.
Sounds like it is a bear to get started, great video, thanks
You should give that saw to Isaac. lol
How much do you guys get paid usually for this type of work? Is it hourly? I’d love to do this!
I'd like to know as well.