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    Season 5 Episode 7: Separation of Power
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  • @elizabethmckenna5397
    @elizabethmckenna5397 3 місяці тому +676

    Matthew Perry was such a good actor. He shined in this role. May he Rest in Peace.

    • @Shorty_Lickens
      @Shorty_Lickens 3 місяці тому +7

      You ever watch Studio 60?

    • @dannick1319
      @dannick1319 3 місяці тому +13

      I thought he was better suited for the role in the West Wing than in Friends

    • @elizabethmckenna5397
      @elizabethmckenna5397 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Shorty_Lickens no I cannot say that I have

    • @elizabethmckenna5397
      @elizabethmckenna5397 2 місяці тому +5

      @@dannick1319 he was a good actor comedic or dramatic. Such a shame he is gone.

    • @elizabethmckenna5397
      @elizabethmckenna5397 2 місяці тому +2

      @@dannick1319 but he was so good in The West Wing. As I said, he shined

  • @pac401
    @pac401 3 місяці тому +77

    Perry should have done more serious roles. He had some good acting chops.

    • @mechsquid2
      @mechsquid2 2 місяці тому

      He played Benny in Fallout: New Vegas

    • @peterlawrence6079
      @peterlawrence6079 2 місяці тому +1

      He also was on "The Good Wife" ...

    • @OrangeCat1992
      @OrangeCat1992 26 днів тому +1

      He was excellent in another Sorkin drama, Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. It’s unfortunate the show only got one season.

    • @nnjjee1
      @nnjjee1 17 днів тому

      @@peterlawrence6079one of the best ever guest stars on any show, same with MJ Fox on the good wife

  • @r.c.auclair2042
    @r.c.auclair2042 2 місяці тому +169

    "Octagenarian confusion." Now I remember where I first heard that.

    • @RealCaptainJaws
      @RealCaptainJaws 2 місяці тому

      Was it May 31, 2017 at 12:06am?

    • @r.c.auclair2042
      @r.c.auclair2042 2 місяці тому

      @@RealCaptainJaws , I don't remember the date, but I know that wasn't the time.

    • @Ma_Zhongying
      @Ma_Zhongying 17 днів тому

      @@RealCaptainJaws What happened then?

    • @retroguy9494
      @retroguy9494 14 днів тому

      It's like the show was foreshadowing and predicting Biden. Including lying about his health.

    • @Ma_Zhongying
      @Ma_Zhongying 14 днів тому

      @@retroguy9494 This is why we need to vote for the younger option in this election. Vote Harris/Walz for a new generation.

  • @jasonn6306
    @jasonn6306 2 місяці тому +78

    Can he BE any more old?

    • @daftelf
      @daftelf 2 місяці тому +2

      well played. I came here because i've been rewatching studio 60 and enjoying the talent of my man MP. West Wing was so good.

    • @danielmerchant5533
      @danielmerchant5533 2 місяці тому

      But my Dad's Chief Justice!

    • @MartinFriedrichs
      @MartinFriedrichs Місяць тому

      @@daftelfStudio 60 was a bit heavy handed, but I still enjoy coming back to it. The Nevada Day episodes in particular

  • @kyle381000
    @kyle381000 3 місяці тому +519

    Toby's fictional concerns are now becoming reality.

    • @jamespurs
      @jamespurs 3 місяці тому +14

      Unfortunatly they are.

    • @charliesmith4072
      @charliesmith4072 3 місяці тому +27

      Thomas and Alito were already on the Court waiting for the Three Fools.

    • @phhpr
      @phhpr 3 місяці тому +3

      Sad but true

    • @GeorgeLiquor
      @GeorgeLiquor 3 місяці тому

      @@charliesmith4072 hyperpartisans are the dumbest people on the planet

    • @2013jpm
      @2013jpm 3 місяці тому

      @@charliesmith4072 - classy, your Honor.

  • @charliegruchy530
    @charliegruchy530 19 днів тому +7

    lifetime appointments for anything is rediculous, so is political appointments for judges. these people shoulde be independent

    • @quintrankid8045
      @quintrankid8045 День тому

      Do you have a draft of the Amendment you'd like to pass?

  • @charliethesupebeagle
    @charliethesupebeagle 3 місяці тому +228

    This cannot possibly be a coincidence.

    • @cameron1975williams
      @cameron1975williams 3 місяці тому +1

      A Magnolia reference?

    • @Shorty_Lickens
      @Shorty_Lickens 3 місяці тому +5

      Its not.

    • @JuniAku
      @JuniAku 3 місяці тому +7

      @@cameron1975williamsa dying man on a bed and you think that’s a Magnolia reference. Geez. It’s more about what’s actually going on in our politics…

    • @wilson2455
      @wilson2455 2 місяці тому

      it's not.. The independence and wisdom of the U.S. Supreme Court has been irreversibly destroyed by 3, possibly 4 justices who have placed their ultra right wing biases over the very Constitution they swore to uphold. For decades to come, legal scholars will look at certain members of this court and say, " My God, look what you've done.. ".

    • @retroguy9494
      @retroguy9494 14 днів тому

      It's like foreshadowing eh? As if the show had a vision into the future.

  • @czarspan3057
    @czarspan3057 3 місяці тому +261

    An incredibly human reaction from Joe here, I remember my family being shocked that he would lie even for a moment about the Justice’s condition. But in that moment he’s not only frustrated with the prevailing political winds, but heartbroken that Toby was right.

    • @brontewcat
      @brontewcat 3 місяці тому +7

      I agree. I think I would have lied at that moment too.

    • @86hj49gt
      @86hj49gt 3 місяці тому +1

      Do you suppose he knew that the end was near enough? Never saw the show, but that message seemed to be sent and received.

    • @cdjhyoung
      @cdjhyoung 3 місяці тому +5

      @@86hj49gt You really need to teat yourself to viewing the West Wing. Great writing delivered by great acting across the board. It is one of the great TV series.

    • @leoinstatenisland
      @leoinstatenisland 2 місяці тому

      @@86hj49gtoh it has a more complicated ending to the story!

    • @SeanTube2099
      @SeanTube2099 2 місяці тому +2

      I wouldn’t have lied. I would have given the go-ahead.

  • @Arctic_Dude
    @Arctic_Dude 2 місяці тому +326

    I've never watched The West Wing, but for some 'mysterious' reason, the algorithm wanted me to see this scene now.

    • @SupremeCleave
      @SupremeCleave 2 місяці тому +6

      Weird, huh?

    • @unfgreen
      @unfgreen 2 місяці тому +8

      Terrific show. Holds up after all these years.

    • @TheRedStateBlue
      @TheRedStateBlue 2 місяці тому +5

      you should take the time to watch it. i rewatch the entire thing starting around thanksgiving and finishing before christmas.

    • @Encyclopedist
      @Encyclopedist 2 місяці тому

      Yes, everyone's thinking of the past month's news, but another point of relevance is the bit at the end about how Republicans appoint neo-conservative judges so young they're still "in swaddling clothing" and "hope that they don't grow a conscience." Because since "The West Wing" came out, Republicans got smarter and began to bribe the justice (like Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito) to keep them in the right-wing fold.

    • @Christopher_Vose
      @Christopher_Vose 2 місяці тому +8

      It's a show that means more today than it ever has. It holds up well. It depicts Democrats and Republicans that can be admired.

  • @dictatorinperpetuity
    @dictatorinperpetuity 3 місяці тому +161

    Whoever is uploading for the channel is on point today!

    • @cards0486
      @cards0486 3 місяці тому +4

      Thinking back to Matthew’s time on WEST WING I think of this storyline. Joe loves the Chief Justice so much, and his heart aches.
      And all these Democrats in charge have tunnel vision, only interested in what they need. Toby, especially, can forget to even think of the other person’s feelings.
      I’m glad to finally have the season and episode listed so I can follow all of Joe’s time in the Bartlett White House.

    • @baseball43v3r
      @baseball43v3r 3 місяці тому +1

      Did a supreme court justice go into a coma today or something?

  • @nina1608
    @nina1608 3 місяці тому +31

    What a great show his was! So many of the political topics have returned in ridiculous form today.

  • @gordon1545
    @gordon1545 2 місяці тому +137

    "...an independent court, above party or interest." Justice Thomas: Yeah nah.

    • @tommos1
      @tommos1 2 місяці тому +4

      "Octagenarian confusion." Biden: huh?

    • @bloodymarvelous4790
      @bloodymarvelous4790 2 місяці тому +1

      @@tommos1 Yes, but that's been rectified now. So Republicans will need to find something new to shout about. Like Biden stepping down being a coup, or how Kamala Harris is unqualified for the position because she's a female democrat of color.
      It took about a day before the Republicans resorted to new conspiracy theories, backed up by misogyny, sexism, and racism.
      From July 21st, 2024, the choice is now between a young accomplished well-spoken prosecutor and an almost octogenarian convicted criminal who goes on incoherent rants about toilets, windmills, sharks, and Hannibal Lecter. Which will the American people pick to lead them.

    • @aigtrader2984
      @aigtrader2984 2 місяці тому +16

      @@tommos1 he's gone now, still gotta kick him?

    • @s0515033
      @s0515033 2 місяці тому +2

      West Wing gave people the idea politics actually works the way the script had it.

    • @s0515033
      @s0515033 2 місяці тому +11

      @@tommos1 Now that Biden bowed out due to age, time for Trump to do it since he is almost as old.

  • @blackspider1405
    @blackspider1405 3 місяці тому +152

    1. Kudos to whoever uploaded this today of all days.
    2. Matthew was incredible in his time on The West Wing
    3. Toby was right. Painful and inhumane as it appeared to be, Toby was right.

    • @jamespurs
      @jamespurs 3 місяці тому +3

      100%

    • @zacharias7284
      @zacharias7284 3 місяці тому +5

      Toby was and always will be right.

    • @UsamaAhmad
      @UsamaAhmad 2 місяці тому

      It seems like the official West Wing UA-cam did?

    • @wingedbuffalo4670
      @wingedbuffalo4670 2 місяці тому +2

      I both agree and disagree @blackspider that "Toby was right."
      1. In an "absolute mathematical value" sense, Toby was right that the Chief Justice may have been physically and/or mentally incapable of fulfilling his judicial duties further.
      2. BUT Toby was 100% WRONG is his GROSSLY MISPLACED belief that he, the President, any of the President's staff, or ANYBODY else OTHER THAN the Chief Justice himself somehow had the AUTHORITY to MAKE THAT DETERMINATION -- they DID NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      I shudder to think what's going to become of this Country as our "rule of law" and respect for the law continues to unravel and evaporate. TOO MANY Americans simply have NO CLUE and NO IDEA what the Constitution says and provides ... and/or how to change it. This is largely (but not exclusively) due to the FACT that MOST students are no longer taught the Constitution or Civics in school -- certainly not with any vitally necesary detail. As a result, they erroneously believe that court decisions ought merely to be a matter of "popular opinion" or "majority rule" -- the hell with what the Constitution mandates or what the law (statutory and/or case law precedent) provides and demands as a resulting outcome. And if one court fails to render a decision or outcome that they "want" in a particular case/dispute, then it's up to an appellate court to reverse the decision to give them the result "they want" ... all the way up to and including the Supreme Court. Further, if the Supreme Court failsto give them the result"they want," then it must be time to force "non-cooperating" justices out/off the bench and/or time to "pack" the Court with enough judges who will see things their warto achieve the result "they want" once again. THAT'S NOT HOW COURT DECISIONS ARE decided (NOR SHOULD THEY BE DECIDED THAT WAY ACCORDING TO "POPULAR OPINION/WANT) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      I am NOT OPPOSED to "term limits" per se -- but I DO DEMAND that they be attained legitimately and properly. This means that ONLY an Amendment to the U.S. Constitution can accomplish that objective -- NOT merely some piece of Congressional legislation signed into law by the President. Currently, with respect to age, the Constitution REQUIRES (among other things) that Representatives in the House be at least 25 years old, that Senators be at least 30 years of age, and that Presidents be at least 35 years old. But the Constitution affirmatively omitted any reference to an "upper age limit" at which any of those individualy could serve in their political offices, or any "maximum" number of terms/years in office an individual could serve.
      As for Article III Federal Judges, the Constitution specifically awards them LIFETIME APPOINTMENTS. The Founding Fathers specifically included that provision to SAFEGUARD JUDICIAL INDEPENDENCE and to ensure that judges would never be intimidated by mob rule into deciding a case according to "how the mob wanted." I agree with that protection -- and the judge has to be responsible and selfless enough to step down/aside if/when he/she is no longer capable of doing the job ... but it's the JUDGE'S DECISION and ONLY the Judge's decision. ONLY a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT can force this "term limits" issue.

    • @slbain9000
      @slbain9000 Місяць тому

      The pain of being Toby is that he is always right.

  • @LD-bv1pm
    @LD-bv1pm Місяць тому +9

    Finished watching all 7 seasons, episode a night, a couple months ago. I think I'll start again, something comforting about watching a political system working with dignity and class, given what's going on in real life.

  • @vickicole4787
    @vickicole4787 2 місяці тому +25

    Toby knew he was lying.

  • @Stephen_Lafferty
    @Stephen_Lafferty 2 місяці тому +13

    An excellent choice of a clip at this political moment. Matthew Perry was great in his dramatic role on TWW. May he rest in peace.

  • @KTOWNK1D
    @KTOWNK1D Місяць тому +7

    TWW was and will remain my favorite show of Aaron Sorkin’s. One thing he wrote very well is the level of loyalty law clerks have regardless if they are SCOTUS Clerks or if they are local Superior Court Clerks. It is a special bond and undying loyalty that often times can complicate judgement and/or ethics. Every former law clerk of any judge that has been under my wing when they enter private practice have strong pride in their clerkship years and are loyal to a fault. It’s incredible.

  • @jonthurlow5598
    @jonthurlow5598 3 місяці тому +63

    'Judicial independence'.... Well this aged well...🙄

    • @brendoncassidy1316
      @brendoncassidy1316 2 місяці тому +4

      Remember when the Republican Party existed ?
      Good times

    • @ericsniper9843
      @ericsniper9843 2 місяці тому

      There are now two branches of the United States Government. The judicial branch is now part of the GOP.

    • @quintrankid8045
      @quintrankid8045 День тому

      @@brendoncassidy1316 Remember when there were Democrats who were concerned about working people and our nation's security?

  • @heeereserin
    @heeereserin 3 місяці тому +29

    West Wing had an insanely stacked cast!

    • @stacym735
      @stacym735 2 місяці тому

      One of the best on television, then and now. And to think many of them were barely known at the time.

  • @Jack-yx5wf
    @Jack-yx5wf 3 місяці тому +118

    There are two types of commenters in this video: those using it as as a parallel for Joe Biden’s age running for re-election (and these people should also lump Trump into this category), and those identifying Toby’s concerns of keeping/managing /stacking Supreme Court justices along party ideals is what the Republican Party has been doing since 2015

    • @JonSmith-hk1bq
      @JonSmith-hk1bq 3 місяці тому

      Democrats literally announced they would do this going back to the early-90s (Joe Biden in fact).
      It's not a Republican thing. And it's for the best. Democrats make terrible jurists.

    • @Critical1ce
      @Critical1ce 3 місяці тому +7

      I think Bartlett having MS would also be relevant to Biden, maybe even slightly moreso, but I agree. Very on point

    • @bobwinters5572
      @bobwinters5572 2 місяці тому +1

      This scene isn't really just a parallel for Joe Biden. It was also a parallel for Ruth Bader Ginsburg and for Diane Feinstein. Joe's (Matthew Perry) lie at the end of the scene is the same lie that Ginsburg's and Feinstein's aides delivered in the months and years when they were obviously no longer fit to serve. Add on Mitch McConnell.

    • @stevekru6518
      @stevekru6518 2 місяці тому +7

      Fair to lump Trump’s faults, with Biden’s disabilities. Unfair to cite Republican court stacking without including Democrats less successful attempts.

    • @brettgoldsmith9971
      @brettgoldsmith9971 2 місяці тому

      Astute

  • @Jedi71
    @Jedi71 Місяць тому +14

    Nothing should be a lifetime appointment. Dog catcher, Parks and Recreation Director, Supreme Court Justice.

    • @stefan6412
      @stefan6412 Місяць тому

      Just wait when a republican uses Joe Bidens ethics rules to get rid of liberal justices. Then you would scream
      for lifetime appointments again. Leftists always want to change the rules in their favor but never think beyond
      today. And then when they inevitably get bit in the behind by their own changes they scream bloody murder
      when the other side uses their changes too.

    • @seanwebb605
      @seanwebb605 Місяць тому +1

      @@stefan6412 Nonsense.

    • @GlassesAndCoffeeMugs
      @GlassesAndCoffeeMugs Місяць тому

      @@stefan6412 what Biden ethics rules got rid of a SC justice? what are you talking about?

    • @quintrankid8045
      @quintrankid8045 День тому

      Do you have a draft Amendment prepared?

  • @randycny
    @randycny 2 місяці тому +29

    "Lifetime appointment", "He's still alive". No public office should be run like this. Lifetime appointments are ridiculous in every instance. Things change more than people.
    We need term limits for EVERY public office; when you can no longer serve the office you need to leave it. It is more honorable to give up a position you can no longer do than to go on unable to function.
    If RBG would have resigned her position when Obama was in office we might not have lost Roe or had a SCOTUS decision turning our president into a king.
    There are a bunch of people running now that shouldn't be, including Biden and Trump. Moscow Mitch should have been voted out a decade ago, same with Feinstein and Pelocy.

    • @ericsniper9843
      @ericsniper9843 2 місяці тому +1

      RBG screwed the country by hanging on to her position. She was a selfish old woman who cared only about herself in the end.

    • @raj8294
      @raj8294 2 місяці тому

      Agreed

    • @Thomas12793
      @Thomas12793 Місяць тому +1

      Agreed 1000%. This is a problem that unfortunately plagues both parties. It’s sickening.

    • @cureholder
      @cureholder Місяць тому +3

      Ed Lazarus developed a plan to switch from lifetime appointments to SCOTUS to staggered 18-year terms, so one Justice would come up for replacement every two years (absent death, early retirement, resignation, or impeachment). Lazarus's plan addressed how to deal with the current Justices, who of course have life terms that cannot be altered. Of course, we would need to amend the Constitution to do any of that, but it would be worth it.

    • @tcdan-c2m
      @tcdan-c2m 28 днів тому

      Amen. I say 20 year term for Supreme Court justices, and then retire with a splendid government benefits (including clerks). That seems fair to me!

  • @kdids
    @kdids 2 місяці тому +16

    This show was so beyond good in a way that most people at their normal acuity can't even comprehend the astuteness of scenes like this, and how they have more meaning now than 20 yrs ago when they aired

  • @scottb.3905
    @scottb.3905 3 місяці тому +40

    Whoever is uploading these should really proofread their titles, not sure who the Chief of Justice is lol

    • @sasjhwa
      @sasjhwa 3 місяці тому +3

      People do that intentionally to get a bunch of people to comment about it. Lots of comments drives the algorithm. Cynical but true.

    • @scottb.3905
      @scottb.3905 3 місяці тому +3

      @@sasjhwa I'd like to think the official WW channel is above that, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt

    • @tpl608
      @tpl608 3 місяці тому

      Is it official or is it just the name they got to first? ​@@scottb.3905

    • @pjabrony8280
      @pjabrony8280 3 місяці тому

      I assumed it was the attorney general, or someone who worked with him. The chief of the Justice Department.

    • @badgercdlyons
      @badgercdlyons 3 місяці тому

      @@scottb.3905 They have good days and bad days.

  • @JasondenHollander-qj5hp
    @JasondenHollander-qj5hp 3 місяці тому +40

    And then RBG wouldn’t resign and handed Trump the nomination out of pure selfishness

    • @WetTowelOnTheFloor
      @WetTowelOnTheFloor 3 місяці тому

      She couldn’t resign. There was a Republican led Senate.
      She correctly predicted exactly what they would do if she wasn’t there.

    • @aaronleverton4221
      @aaronleverton4221 3 місяці тому +3

      And who handed Trump the replacement for Scalia?

    • @gheller2261
      @gheller2261 2 місяці тому

      Stephen Breyer is no longer on the Court.

    • @cgallegos2106
      @cgallegos2106 2 місяці тому +4

      What the hell are you talking about, she would’ve had to resign in 2008-2010 by that logic. The Republican didn’t allow a replacement for 2015 and they held congress from 2010-2018, Trump was president from 2016-2020.
      She held on as long as she could so a democratic president could replace her with a liberal judge.

    • @SpartanB269
      @SpartanB269 Місяць тому

      ​@@cgallegos2106 Well, I think what the OP is saying is that RBG should have retired during the Obama administration. She was 75 when Obama first took office, she could have retired then and there and would have been replaced by a justice with similar views by the Obama admin. People learning from this past mistake is why there was so much pressure on Breyer from the court of public opinion to retire while Biden's in office and make way for someone younger.

  • @cauxzieruffhausen9547
    @cauxzieruffhausen9547 Місяць тому +1

    Wow. Even on TV a republican lies like a rug.

  • @FlameKoRn
    @FlameKoRn 3 місяці тому +85

    This is a great call to how there should be age limits to public office.

    • @Valehass
      @Valehass 3 місяці тому +8

      This and the most recent presidential debate.

    • @tcerathi
      @tcerathi 3 місяці тому +5

      Funny how that only seems to apply to one side

    • @auklaxer
      @auklaxer 3 місяці тому +4

      Age limits? No. Capability test? Yes.

    • @brontewcat
      @brontewcat 3 місяці тому +1

      Not necessarily age limits, but cognitive and ethical tests. I am not sure which candidate would fare worse.

    • @ronaldtipton6035
      @ronaldtipton6035 3 місяці тому +8

      Capability, cognitive, and ethical tests are all subjective. You can't argue against a birth certificate. Many state and local level judges have age limits already. There's absolutely no reason not to change the supreme court justice appointments to "up to age XX." I suggest age 72, maybe age 75.
      If most of the general public retires by age 70 or 72 (if not before), then that's good enough for politicians and judges too.

  • @VanGoWanderlust
    @VanGoWanderlust 2 місяці тому +4

    Interesting that the West Wing's YT account published this clip 12 days ago.

  • @woohooboy
    @woohooboy 3 місяці тому +52

    Again, there should be term limits. We have seen in recent years, people occupying positions of authority and power who were well past the time of retirement. Having a lifetime hold over a role is something I strongly disagree with.
    I do sympathize with Joe perspective, but ultimately, I agree with Toby's standpoint.

    • @_Hoagie
      @_Hoagie 3 місяці тому +5

      I'm more of a fan of age limits instead of term limits. There's nothing inherently wrong with someone staying in politics for a long time, and the issue of people amassing wealth or power over their time there can be dealt with by other laws and regulations. There definitely is something wrong with letting someone remain in politics after their physical, or particularly mental, faculties have started to fail or wear out from old age. Just like how we make aging folks retire from the workplace in their 60s, so to should politicians be forced out at the same age. The average age of the US Congress is currently 58, so just age limits alone would help clean the legislature up and allow more opportunities for fresh faces to get in.

    • @woohooboy
      @woohooboy 3 місяці тому +1

      @@_Hoagie - I'm personally for both (whichever is more relevant to the position at hand).
      Whilst I'm sure that there are exceptions to this rule, most people over the age of 70 don't have the mental and physical stamina and capabilities to hold down a full-time job - especially one where you hold significant power, authority and influence. Which is what public office is all about.

    • @MichaelWilliams-jw4sz
      @MichaelWilliams-jw4sz 3 місяці тому +4

      Then get a constitutional amendment. I never liked Toby. Too self righteous. Do i want him deciding which should sit on the bench? You heard his opinion about it? There ARE term limits. Elections.

    • @ER1CwC
      @ER1CwC 3 місяці тому +3

      @@_Hoagie Age limits are an interesting idea. Term limits, on the other hand, are a terrible one. People are against ‘insiders’ nowadays, but these political and government positions are like any other job. People develop salient skills and knowledge as they gain experience. They also can develop trust with one another; that can help them get things done and weather tough times together. Term limits are a way to ensure that amateurs are in charge. A remedy that is worse than the disease it aims to cure.

    • @weebeedesigns
      @weebeedesigns 3 місяці тому +1

      @@_Hoagie We do not make aging folks retire from the work place - they choose to retire or they are let go often because they cost their employers too much in benefits and salary over a long tenure. The GOP wants to increase the year you can claim social security to 70 instead of 65. Recently I watched Dr Fauci be interviewed by Lawrence O'Donnell and he's the same age as President Biden but he comes across much younger. The presidency ages everyone. Individuals age differently. I think an upper age limit is fine for the year you would begin your administration - 70 is about right as a max. But in my opinion, age is not the big problem but how long they have to be lobbied and have millions of dollars funneled into their campaigns to buy a vote and stay in power. Citizens United (2010) was a huge turning point, not the beginning of all the pay to play but it opened the door to much bigger influence and dollars pumping into the campaigns.

  • @carrickrichards2457
    @carrickrichards2457 3 місяці тому +27

    You hear so often from family of the frail, dying and very elderley: 'He always bounces back' and 'he's a fighter' or 'He's in really good health'.

    • @michaelhayden725
      @michaelhayden725 3 місяці тому +7

      Imho this was a classic example of why Supreme Court and federal court justices should have age limits. In Australia about 40+ years ago we made 75 the mandatory retirement age and our legal system hasn’t fallen apart! Also ALL our High Court (the equivalent of the US Supreme Court) justices are expected to recuse themselves from any possible political decisions!

    • @JonSmith-hk1bq
      @JonSmith-hk1bq 3 місяці тому

      @@michaelhayden725 Huh? Who is left if everyone's recusing themselves?

    • @michaelhayden725
      @michaelhayden725 3 місяці тому

      @@JonSmith-hk1bq the 6 who were not nominated by DTrump, they at least have shown some impartiality.

    • @JonSmith-hk1bq
      @JonSmith-hk1bq 3 місяці тому

      ​@@michaelhayden725 That doesn't answer the question. Which was who makes the decision of everyone is mandated to recuse?
      And just so you know, when tabulating their rulings, Trump's nominees make up 3 of the 4 members most moderate members of the court. The Democrat-nominated members comprise the 5th, 6th, and 9th most moderate. So, there's really no cause for your statement. Trump's judges are actually very serious people.

    • @captainyossarian388
      @captainyossarian388 3 місяці тому +1

      @@JonSmith-hk1bq Conservatives love to play the 'relativism' card. Those conservative justices were okay with removing a fundamental right of roughly half the population. You can try to relativism that until you're blue in the face, and it won't work.

  • @I_dont_want_an_at
    @I_dont_want_an_at 2 місяці тому +1

    No longer relevant, except about Drumpf. haha!

  • @bcborgiva9978
    @bcborgiva9978 2 місяці тому +1

    The irony and horror of watching this now in 2024.
    USA, touted as the greatest democracy and ….. with the pinnacle of the justice system….. a) appointed by politicians (and by definition those that hold the most power at the time ) b) appointed for life !!!! …. Who the fuck nowadays gets appointed for life and c) the only part of the justice system without a set of ethical rules and guidances.
    Only in the great US of A.

  • @MikeWood
    @MikeWood 3 місяці тому +11

    There is something in the West Wing to suit anything currently going on in DC. Case in point posting this after last Thursday.

  • @letsrevieweverything144
    @letsrevieweverything144 2 місяці тому +2

    why the hell wasnt Perry in more dramatic roles? Fantastic

  • @susiedupuy9532
    @susiedupuy9532 13 днів тому +1

    Just the opposite of the way it is now.

  • @bobloss2269
    @bobloss2269 3 місяці тому +1

    Joe is not a good person in this scene. Lying to cover up for his old friend. Shame.

  • @I_dont_want_an_at
    @I_dont_want_an_at 2 місяці тому +2

    now it's about Trumps age

  • @charliethesupebeagle
    @charliethesupebeagle 3 місяці тому +5

    Good timing for this video.

  • @Itsmytest
    @Itsmytest 2 місяці тому +2

    Oh. What an incredibly great show this was. This was the dying era of appointment television. Great cast, great writing, great stories: The West Wing and The Sopranos were probably the last few good things on TV to end the 90's with.

  • @terryhurley3568
    @terryhurley3568 2 місяці тому +1

    Goddammit! Why can't fictional life be more like real life ? People still make mistakes , but they make them with honourable intentions. People really feel that their wrong decisions are the right decisions . The West Wing is a fairy tale, but it's one of the best fairy tales ever written

  • @iamvincento
    @iamvincento 2 місяці тому +2

    UA-cam algorithm is wild rn

  • @declanandrews4802
    @declanandrews4802 3 місяці тому +17

    who’s watching this after the trump v. united states decision?

  • @seanmcmurphy4744
    @seanmcmurphy4744 2 дні тому

    This was such a damn good show, the best show that has ever been made about American politics. I have been interested in national politics since I was 15 during the Vietnam War. This issue never occurred to me until I saw this episode - who discusses resignation with a SCOTUS judge? is it appropriate for the Executive branch to put pressure on elderly judges?

  • @kamodius
    @kamodius 6 днів тому

    The way Perry's face shuts down at 4:32 "He's fine, Toby...". Beautifully acted.

  • @LordLawwritesforfans
    @LordLawwritesforfans 2 місяці тому +7

    Perry is gone but that scene is one that every dem should watch and think about. They’re those who will side with loyalty, those with opportunity, and those who think they are doing the right thing but unwittingly serve the enemies to democracy. Run Harris dems. Don’t run the lion that was run a lioness that is.

  • @carlousmagus5387
    @carlousmagus5387 2 місяці тому +1

    That's Biden now, and Trump in the very near future.

  • @DarrenBouw
    @DarrenBouw 2 місяці тому +1

    Matthew Perry should have had a more regular role

  • @ParticularFix
    @ParticularFix Місяць тому +1

    I don't like it when this show ages well

    • @GlassesAndCoffeeMugs
      @GlassesAndCoffeeMugs Місяць тому

      It didn't age well, the message from this scene is "Never give up on supreme court justices even when they become too old to serve" which is how you end up with RBG passing away during Trump's term and a conservative super majority SC

  • @jaywulf
    @jaywulf 2 місяці тому

    "Independent court above party or interests"
    HAHAHAHA (Laughs in MAGA)

  • @WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv
    @WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv 2 місяці тому +2

    So THAT'S what Chandler does for a living!

  • @clarencepeterson8646
    @clarencepeterson8646 2 місяці тому +1

    "Octogenarian confusion." Sounds familiar.

  • @I_dont_want_an_at
    @I_dont_want_an_at 2 місяці тому +1

    let's go Brandon! wait...what's my new slogan?

  • @zenairzulu1378
    @zenairzulu1378 2 місяці тому +1

    welp in 2024 this hits a bit dif....

  • @shererid
    @shererid 2 місяці тому +1

    Could he BE more eclectic as an actor?!

  • @geoffoldread7684
    @geoffoldread7684 2 місяці тому +1

    The actor playing Lisa is ACTING😂

  • @lynnerose7891
    @lynnerose7891 2 місяці тому +2

    This is so on-point.

  • @bobrichardson7174
    @bobrichardson7174 Місяць тому +1

    Life imitates art.

  • @mallorywingate103
    @mallorywingate103 6 днів тому

    Does the Chief Justice get replace?

  • @DanielWrightNJ
    @DanielWrightNJ 2 місяці тому +1

    Subtle.

  • @Whitpusmc
    @Whitpusmc 2 місяці тому +1

    Any clip of him figuring out that the VP was the course of the lead that caused the VP to resign.

    • @Itsmytest
      @Itsmytest 2 місяці тому

      That episode was AWESOME.

  • @pauljones8057
    @pauljones8057 3 місяці тому +9

    It's weird because everybody talks about the supreme court being independent and yet every president who can appoints his own people, to sway it one way or another. Terms should be fixed and the chief justice should be independent of any party.

    • @demiserofd
      @demiserofd 3 місяці тому

      No such thing as true independence. Everyone leans one way or the other. And ultimately, all courts are fundamentally conservative, because it's their job to read and protect the law, not change it.

    • @r.c.auclair2042
      @r.c.auclair2042 День тому

      If you look careful, you'll notice that until very recently, presidents have been unsuccessful at swaying the philosophy. Franklin Roosevelt got frustrated by the Supreme Court interfering in his efforts to get America out of the Great Depression: he kept appointing justices during his fourteen-year administration who'd say things during Senate confirmation hearings and do very different things once they got appointed. It's one of the drawbacks of lifetime appointments.
      Eventually, presidents started gauging by judge's bodies of opinions, so prospective justices started avoiding saying or writing anything that might be considered controversial later.

  • @Dfwlaw817
    @Dfwlaw817 Місяць тому

    This aged badly in light of the corruption of Clarance Thomas.

    • @seanwebb605
      @seanwebb605 Місяць тому

      This seems entirely unrelated.

  • @anenglishmaninsandiego
    @anenglishmaninsandiego 3 місяці тому +4

    One of the most emotional and resonant - and increasingly relevant - storylines of the whole series.
    Great edit work by the channel mod, by the way, it's appreciated, thank you.

  • @mattmarkasky773
    @mattmarkasky773 3 місяці тому +6

    RIP Matt 😢

  • @theroofguy625
    @theroofguy625 Місяць тому

    If only this show was real

  • @wsTGS
    @wsTGS 2 місяці тому

    sneak peek into biden 2027

  • @charliesmith4072
    @charliesmith4072 3 місяці тому +8

    Like all conservatives, in important moments he lied. Thomas and Alito were already on the court when this program ran.

    • @aaronleverton4221
      @aaronleverton4221 3 місяці тому

      Garbage. He didn't lie because he was conservative, he lied because he loved.

  • @redmed10
    @redmed10 2 місяці тому

    That's a lot of lamps. That security guard gets around. Works at the whitehouse and the hospital guarding random rooms. And its funny how the whitehouse sounds exactly like the hospital.
    Taminay Hall, boiler plate lease. The writer went out of his way to confuse the viewer. Used to think it showed how clever these people in politics are but now i feel it was all just a deceit.

  • @heideleskun1163
    @heideleskun1163 3 місяці тому +4

    I'm today old in realizing this was Matthew Perry. 🙄🤦‍♀

  • @johnnotrealname8168
    @johnnotrealname8168 Місяць тому

    Why was Matthew Langford Perry not in the subsequent episode where the Chief Justice was actually replaced?

  • @erkful
    @erkful 2 місяці тому +4

    Should never be lifetime appointments!!

  • @Sticks1680
    @Sticks1680 Місяць тому

    This is why term limits

  • @FriscoCatshark
    @FriscoCatshark 2 місяці тому +2

    People loved Joe, but this moment of hypocrisy from him was one of the biggest testaments to who he really is. Sees Toby is right, but lies to save face and keep his party on the bench instead of doing what's right. And the exchange of:
    Joe: "You think it's all a game, treating the court like it's Tammany Hall gone national!"
    Toby: *Raises good points about Republicans doing the same thing.*
    Joe: "Y-y-y-yeah well we could all do it better y'know."
    Can't stick to a single gun this entire scene.

    • @EsquilaxM
      @EsquilaxM 2 місяці тому

      It's not about his party. I mean I haven't watched this episode in years but I remember it being clear that it was his love for his former mentor that made him irrational. He was in denial and couldn't bear to take the position from the man he loved and respected.

    • @FriscoCatshark
      @FriscoCatshark 2 місяці тому

      @@EsquilaxM You're completely right. I just think it's funny that he's a complete hypocrite through and through for the entire episode.

  • @HerrEngels
    @HerrEngels 3 місяці тому

    I never watched The West Wing, is it any good? Asking for a friend of a friend.

  • @cameron1975williams
    @cameron1975williams 3 місяці тому +1

    Ironic.

  • @aidanabregov1412
    @aidanabregov1412 2 місяці тому

    Love Matthew Perry, but damn was he wrong on this, on multiple levels

  • @brownkemosabe
    @brownkemosabe 2 місяці тому

    Watching this at the moment of Biden's dropping out of the 2024 election. What a momentous occasion, and such a beautiful perspective to this epsiode

  • @charliethesupebeagle
    @charliethesupebeagle 3 місяці тому +5

    He has good and bad days :)
    Oh my god

  • @albathoughtsofficial
    @albathoughtsofficial 29 днів тому

    Who's here for Matthew Perry? This shows what a talented actor he was. The last scene shows the acting within the acting. RIP

  • @TakManSan
    @TakManSan Місяць тому

    Incredibly insightful writing and a warning we ignored. #ReturdlicanSCOTUSCorruption

  • @andrewemery4272
    @andrewemery4272 14 днів тому

    Biden?

  • @FredOlv
    @FredOlv 3 місяці тому +1

    This is awesome lol

  • @captainmercy87
    @captainmercy87 2 місяці тому

    Man, I've been away from GB for a long time. I only recognize one person here.

  • @MarklovesAngels
    @MarklovesAngels 3 місяці тому +2

    A timely posting. TERM LIMITS! The original idea for lifetime appointments was so they wouldn't be influenced by outside sources, knowing they had a job for life. We can see how that's working out with the greedy bastards on the Court now. No amount of money is ever enough for some people. I'd even give them a limit as long as 20 years but then they have to leave and live under the same laws they helped reinforce as the rest of us.

  • @NorwichBaker
    @NorwichBaker 2 місяці тому

    We should have seen more off Matthew Perry in serious roles

  • @aspartameindustry
    @aspartameindustry 2 місяці тому

    Omg I forgot chandler was in this show

  • @HKim0072
    @HKim0072 2 місяці тому

    ughhhhhhh....RBG needed to watch this episode.

  • @cynthiacassel
    @cynthiacassel Місяць тому

    Someone needs to retire from your secret Supreme Court.

  • @flymatt1968
    @flymatt1968 3 місяці тому

    Wow this is pretty relevant actually @potus

  • @scribe56
    @scribe56 2 місяці тому

    God I miss matthew perry.

  • @toddvaughan3709
    @toddvaughan3709 3 місяці тому +1

    The Country needs for Liberals and Conservatives to quit the bickering and come to a mutual agreement on what is best for the citizens of the United States

    • @cdjhyoung
      @cdjhyoung 3 місяці тому +1

      You are wrong. We can't find any real conservatives anymore to have this discussion with. The Trump lead MAGA thinking crowd has stepped past the American ideals of honesty, equality and fairness. No lie is too grand, no deviance too horrible for them to recheck the path their leader is taking them on. One political party is opposing a near religious cult. One group up holds the Constitution, the other's leader calls for it abolishment. There is no middle ground when these are the poles of the debate.

    • @JoefromNJ1
      @JoefromNJ1 3 місяці тому +2

      i think youre the first person in history to say that

    • @hmich176
      @hmich176 2 місяці тому

      There is no mutual agreement because conservatives backstabbed the liberals a couple of decades ago.

    • @CzolgoszWorkinMan
      @CzolgoszWorkinMan 2 місяці тому

      immaterial analysis, i rebuke you in the name of marx, engels & hegel

    • @kalem1527
      @kalem1527 2 місяці тому

      ​@CzolgoszWorkinMan you're showing your ignorance

  • @wallochdm1
    @wallochdm1 2 місяці тому

    Yes, it is. Bye, John Roberts.

  • @monicapowers3208
    @monicapowers3208 2 місяці тому

    Give me some of that Matthew Perry

  • @pympton
    @pympton 3 місяці тому +22

    Just a patient getting a nebulizer treatment without an RT in sight.

    • @matthewgeschke5378
      @matthewgeschke5378 3 місяці тому +1

      I take a nebulizer at home without a nurse?

    • @pympton
      @pympton 3 місяці тому +3

      @@matthewgeschke5378 That's amazing. I'm glad you cracked the code. That wasn't my point. I was making a light hearted joke about a SUPREME COURT JUSTICE IN THE HOSPITAL GETTING A MEDICAL PROCEDURE WITHOUT A LICENSED MEDICAL PROVIDER AROUND. If I need to use smaller words let me know.

    • @Isaic02
      @Isaic02 3 місяці тому +4

      ​@@pymptonUse smaller words.

    • @pympton
      @pympton 3 місяці тому +1

      FDJT. How's that?

    • @Isaic02
      @Isaic02 3 місяці тому +2

      @@pympton Clear and succinct, thank you. :)

  • @Feanaro5503
    @Feanaro5503 2 місяці тому

    18 year term limits let’s go

  • @kevdaag2523
    @kevdaag2523 Місяць тому

    No lifetime appointments

  • @keepgoing2506
    @keepgoing2506 3 місяці тому +4

    It’s so funny that people think that this is somehow comparable to Joe Biden. It’s funny and sad.
    Remember this: 80 million of us would rather vote for a potted plant than Donald Trump. We love our country too much.

  • @rideauxbaldwin6071
    @rideauxbaldwin6071 2 місяці тому

    I wish they kept Matthew.

  • @icarus-wings
    @icarus-wings 2 місяці тому

    Silly Chandler.

  • @transvestosaurus878
    @transvestosaurus878 2 місяці тому

    2024: life imitating art